The thing about Jiren is that he was a master of controlling his energy, and how to use it. In Super Hero (and the Manga), vegeta references this, and how Jiren was not that much stronger than him or Goku, but his control was what kept him a cut above them. Broly on the other hand has no control. I’m sure Broly is stronger than Jiren, but he won’t beat him until he learns to not attack mindlessly.
@@malsawmahnamte9871it wasnt just that jiren had general control, he had fantastic ki control, allowing him to completely have control over his energy. like whis stated, goku and vegeta had that god ki nearly spilling out of them. i trust vegetas word 100% and it makes perfect sense that jirens power was a matter of pure discipline and skill, which matches his entire character
Gogeta could had handled him in base also at the start of the fight gogeta wasn’t trying to kill him he was just trying to stop broly’s rampage. 1 blow in base would be all to take down gogeta.
@KAY4ZZ no gogeta was trying to defeat broly not kill which means he was still trying considering fp ssj broly power kept rising at a faster pace gogeta had to transform or he would die he used ssjb to overpower brolys power for the win so without ssjb gogeta wouldve lost due to brolys power rising so fast in the form
@@andrewverrett568 "Jiren beats broly mid diff" ☝🤓 I never said he didn't. I just said that he "might" because even post top Goku AND Vegeta couldn't beat broly. Not to mention bro only has 2 actual transformations that he clapped Goku and Vegeta with
This is accurate. However, i feel it all depends on how the fight goes. If Jiren goes full power from the start, he's winning. But if the fight gets drawn out, Broly will just continue to get stronger until it's too much for Jiren to handle.
@@roberthastings5969 the thing is let’s say broly gets to his ikari form that’s it he can’t control his ssj or full power ssj so broly is getting beat down hard
@@kidgoku3763 Not really. Broly has already been stated to be stronger than jiren by toriyama himself. Even with all that, Broly has enough raw power (+ he continuously gets stronger) to defeat Jiren.
@@criminal5828 yeah, no shit Bro. Damn right. Everyone keep on saying Broly surpass him during fight but after Goku's motivation Jiren is something else 😂
I think the scary thing about Broly vs Jiren is Broly can tank alot of damage and his power grows the longer the fight drags out, the only way to take down Broly would be to finish him with one powerful attack. Vegeta and Goku are bad match ups to Broly because they drag out their fights to test how strong they are, you need a Trunks no nonsense type to kill the enemy 😅
You are confusing DBZ Broly and DBS Broly. You don’t need to do that in order to defeat broly at LSSJ, He is durable not invincible he cant stop all the attacks from Gogeta during the fight and was actively running away the entire time. He was growing in power not obtaining more power, he was just using more of his power until he unlocked new forms but thats it.
Jiren can kill broly before he got power up, even Toppo are more tha enough to kill Broly in just an instant if he use hakai, before broly power up, The mattet of fact Toppo lost against Vegeta SSB EVOLVED BECAUSE Toppo didnt use his power well, Toppo literally spamming hakai instead of usimg his power toe to toe against Vegeta, And they're allowed to kill which mean they need to throw their foes outside of the ring,
Jiren would do the same thing he did to Kale. Now, I'm not saying it would work, or that Broly is on par with Kale, I'm simply pointing out the fact that Jiren literally is the "One powerful attack and be done" Type of guy.
broly is already training with whis and Goku. just saying lol. and he was more powerful than jiren before reaching regular super Saiyan. a year of training on Beerus planet and broly singlehandedly jumps ever villain in the series at once lmao
Full potential broly doesnt exist since he has no ceiling. He has the highest potential in the multiverse, with training and experience could easily clap gods
Exactly I don’t understand why people think Jiren is Stronger. Sure Jiren does have amazing control of his energy which would help him a lot just like how we saw in broly movie goku and vegeta. But Jiren won’t be able to fuse and Broly learns way to quick so broly wins.
Imagine broly somehow attained god ki 💀 Cause just Super Saiyan broly was strong enough to stomp both Goku, Vegeta in their blue form and frieza in his golden form 💀💀
It took a plot armor 17 that couldn't beat imperfect cell and it now without training somehow as strong as goku blue. Frieza and goku at the end and only because 17 used his barrier making jirens own attack weaken him. Goku blue with times 20 kiao kin and evolved blue vegeta couldn't even land hits on jiren. I think jiren still beats Gogeta. Another way to compare. Full power broly beat on golden frieza for over an hour and frieza was still in his golden form. Jiren made frieza revert back to his 4th form with about 6 strikes. Jiren is way stronger than people think he is. Jiren would mop the floor with broly. Jiren would probably still beat gogeta
Jiren is the character who is capable of controlling his power no matter how much it is and also he breaks his limits when needed.. even MUI goku was not able to defeat him, its only because of his team mates Whereas Broly is a massive character who has no control of his anger, there is no question of controlling his power so if they have to face togather then jiren would win because he is able to control the power and win the fight with is battle iq Bonus:- Everyone know that physical power is less than mental power
It’s not a senpai. The thing is with broly sure he can tap into his power faster. Although this is the power he has already had he just didn’t have strong enough foes to draw that power out until he met Goku and vegeta. So in all honestly he’s capped to lssj
Assuming Broly starts as FPSSJ, he wins. Broly was stated to be the strongest enemy in history, thus is stronger than Jiren was by the end of the movie. Now Jiren did have far superior ki control, but Broly was both stronger, and has a faster growth rate, given he went from below base Vegeta to above even SSJB Goku, Vegeta and even Jiren in one battle. So higher starting power+growth rate and adaptivity/learning should net the win over better ki control imo.
I like this take. It makes sense the way you quickly covered it cause that's really what it would come down to. Plus, we haven't seen Jiren when flying is enabled and isn't limited to a "No kill" rule (In the Canon anime series available). I feel like Broly still needs time to cook
If POST top Jiren (the ending 131 Jiren) fought Broly movie broly. He would win. He would end up breaking his limits again and getting another amp boost
But he did, he even just ignored people attacking him he didn't go completely out from the beginning and only started using more power as Goku did then pushed past his power level so he did play with his food and then got smacked by it for it, but Jiren would probably still win since Jiren may be weaker Jiren actually fights and it isn't a big enough strength difference for broly to win against an actual fighter
@@gummybearboy2604 that’s false… He took out the big threats and left everybody else for the rest of the pride troopers… He one shooter Kelfa(female broly) and he couldn’t kill so he was restricted…
@@Wrongyouare he straight up was getting boxed at by everyone but decided to not fight back that is definitely playing with your food like man sat there as Goku was consistently trying to attack but couldn't care less instead of just fucking him up and then chilling out
I know Akira made Broly stronger, he said that "if Cell Max was full prepared to his perfect form not even Broly would have stoped him" wich means Broly was the strongest saiyan after Gohan in the movie, but I think Jiren would still win because he have more experience+stamina+skills+IQ & BattleIQ than Broly
brolys battle power rises as he fights similar to ue, so saying that jiren broke past his limits so that he can win doesn’t really do anything considering broly shattered dimensions JUST by transforming into ssj
He's wrong. Here's the real comparison. Ultra Instinct Goku cannot defeat Super Sayan Gogeta. Broly was knocking around Super Sayan Gogeta until he turned Blue, while Ultra Instinct Goku was giving Jiren the business. Broly wins just based off that.
It's also important to note Broly didn't scale to Blue Gogeta, he was massively outclassed in that regard. The only way Broly could beat Jiren is if he could last long enough for the power boosts but I think Jiren could take him out well before that.
@aharonmercy6433 your comparing kale to broly which is stupid. Broly was able to keep up with super saiyan gogeta he had to go blue otherwise broly would have continued to grow in power and gogeta would have destroyed jiren in Super saiyan. Broly now has control over SS and we don't have anything outside of top for jiren so broly turn stomps jiren unless jiren shows up again
@@havuseenmymonkey6663 if we’re talking Broly in the movie, then Jiren stomps, it’s not even a question, he’d notice Broly’s quick progression and take him out before he got too strong. Just like how he did with Kale(not saying Kale is as strong as Broly I’m just saying how Jiren took her out quickly before she kept rampaging)
Wrong lol go back to the old statement and it’s still true Half Saiyans have more potential than full saiyans…Gohan is classified the strongest now in the manga if broly had that potential it would’ve been him easily since he’s training with Goku and Vegeta who has god essence ki
Broly was born far stronger than any sayian... he is a freak... look at the battles gohan has had vs what broly has had. Gohan has face ginyus, freizas, cells, androids, buus, deburas.... broly only trained with his dad and a mildly wild beast... broly destroyed god forms of saiyans... gohan is strongest now... who's to say what they write for broly in the future in the manga... like i said broly has the MOST POTENTIAL!!
@@opdaishinkan582 thank you bro 😂 dude must’ve never seen the movie even in the movie once Goku and Vegeta fused and turned SSB Broly never laid a finger on him I’ve watched that movie plenty of times, if broly had that much potential he would’ve at least got some clean hits on gogeta but he didn’t 😂 soon SSB made an appearance Broly was cooked . Even in the manga he’s still not the one with most potential they would’ve been said that
@@BlackMigoReacts Thats right gan, gogeta vsbroly fight as if broly didn't give gogeta much resistance meanwhile, regarding jiren, he succeeded in winning over MUI goku jiren's strength surprises the god but is not equal to angels
I think its also worth considering, Broly was going all out against Vegeta and Goku in just super saiyan blue while Jiren was whooping Goku in bluex20 and vegeta evolved effortlessly
@@TheFakeMakotoYuki how? It's the same as goku beating golden frieza. Friezas body gave out and goku won the fight. It's OK if you hate jiren but he still won the fight. Goku was literally about to get knocked off but got saved by 17
@jareejones And Jiren was about to get knocked out before Goku's body gave out It's basically the Golden Frieza vs SSB Goku fight: Both are basically on equal terms, one side makes a mistake that makes the other have the upper hand (Golden Frieza not training more with his Golden form, Jiren attacking the Universe 7 stand, causing Goku to get angry), get defeated and when they're about to get finished, an unforseen factor happens and incapacitates the winning side (Sorbet snipping Goku, and Ui taking its toll on Goku's body) Only difference is that Sorbet works with frieza, and could be argued that it was an emergency plan. Jiren was as surprised as everyone else when Goku fell down and started to scream in pain
@@tommytokes4925 that retcon is complete bs to me, Jiren was pounding (pause) both Goku n Vegeta and was tanking many of their shots, lets not forget he was blocking post Future Trunks arc SSG Goku’s hits with 1 finger
@@thesehandsarelethal bro broly was tanking goku and vegeta and had to fusion but still I would like to wait until they fight to see which the creator thinks wins
Broly also has insane battle adaptability as shown by his movie berserk state or not. This was the reason the Gogeta fusion was needed in the first place.
Once Broly loses control, Jirin will go 100% and knock him out before Broly grows enough to beat him. He was about to do the same thing in the top with Kale.
Broly would've clapped some white cheeks bruh, my man defeated 2 SSBs in his first fight ever and went to that level from basically normal saiyan level
Full power broly beat on golden. Frieza for over an hour and he was still in golden form. Jiren made frieza lose his golden form with about 5 hits. I think jiren would damn near if not beat gogeta. People just like broly more but jiren is an absolute monster all around. Control, techniques, power, stamina. All around just a monster. Jiren beats broly mid diff. And gives gogeta a good run if not beats him too.
Jiren was toying around with KKx20 SSB Goku, SSBE Vegeta (equivalent to KKx20 SSB) and Android 17 which was around SSB level jumping him at once without breaking a sweat and before breaking his limits later on when facing MUI which is a angel level feat. Not to mention he even seemed to have MUI Goku almost defeated before the power of friendship kicked in
@@andrewverrett568 he’s definitely not beating Gogeta tbh, just giving him a good fight. The most he can do is fight until the timer runs out, but a post TOP SSB Gogeta being beaten by Jiren is a huge stretch in my honest opinion
Perhaps Broly is a little bit stronger than Jiren but with Broly not being able to control his Ki, he will be drained of energy way before Jiren would be. So I give the win to Jiren, who has mastered his ki. You have to remember Jiren wasn't trying to kill Goku or Vegeta during the Top. He held back a lot of his energy. Majority of the time he was playing with them. In my opinion, Jiren allowed Goku, Frieza, and Andriod #17 to eliminate him. Watch the scene toward the end, after Goku, Frieza and #17 hit him with their combined blast and the screen shattered. You can see Jiren was smiling. I honestly think Jiren could have won the ToP but he learned a lesson from Goku about fighting for your friends instead of solely fighting for power (strength). That's why Jiren allowed Universe 7 to beat him and he apologized to Universe 1 after being eliminated for how he treated them.
Nah jiren mid af broly rawdogs his universe vegeta was confident about him and goku vs jiren but literally wanted no smoke with ss broly and wanted to fuse so clear difference the stakes aren’t any different either because the world is on the line regardless
I’d say more than a little bit Due to zenkai I’ll say base broly movie goku > Ssj3 Late T.O.P Goku, and Base Gogeta is stronger than SsjbKKx20 Goku • Royal Blue Vegeta, and broly was holding his own enough for Gogeta to use Ssjb soo uh
The fact that we’re comparing a Sayian that’s now has only had one fight against two of the strongest characters in DBZ fused in their God state to others who have years of experience is insane
@@ralegade7710 true but he’d be calm and collected when fighting Broly, the moment he notices Broly’s steady power progression he’s taking him out before Broly got too strong. Manga Broly on the other hand is a different conversation
Goku only needed help from Frieza because the god ki was too much for him and his body failed. If he hadn't fallen, Jiren would have been eliminated sooner.
let's talk accurately. Base Gogeta is about SSB Goku + SSBE Vegeta, which in in of itself could give Jiren minor problems, but not for SSJ Broly. Officially, Gogeta went SSB at the start of the battle due to the fact that if he went even a little less in, Broly would've adapted -which would be the case in this hypothetical battle-, and in change, destroyed earth, and many other planets.
Wrong jiren would end that fight. Broly can’t control his power and jiren can. Remember kale went beserk and jiren had to stop it before it got even worse. Until Broly can control himself jiren will stomp him
Granted this was Brolys first time actually fighting. Hes just going to get stronger each time and if he can control his SSJ form he would be a powerhouse
Broly is basically a god! In ssjj he fought and, at times, over powered blue forms, even used golden F as a mest sack for 1 hour. Not to mention, Broly learned to fight as he fought
Broly will be able to defeat Jiren. 1, Toriyama stated that Broly is stronger than MUI Goku in his interview. 2. Broly will be able to tank all Jiren attacks like nothing becuz am not sure if Jiren attacks are even as potent SSJ Gogeta. 3, The power scaling is now. TUI > UE Vegeta & Broly > MUI Goku of DBS SH > MUI Goku of Granola arc > MUI Goku of MORO Arc > MUI Goku of T.o.p. > Jiren LB. So Broly >>>>> Jiren .
Considering how ridicilous the fusion amp is (carthu dojo video all his statements are canon) this implies that a ssj vegito could beat jiren with ease and blue would 1 shot him so broly tanking god knows how many hits after gogeta went blue implies to me broly stomping
How do you know that carthus statements are Canon they're theories and plus base goku and vegeta are nowhere near jirens base so even when fused and ssj I don't think it's enough. I'm just saying ssj vegito can't beat jiren
@@rohangardiner Base Gogeta was already superior to stronger versions of SSB Goku and Vegeta than the ones who Jiren fought, who were still giving him problems by the end of the tournament. SSJ Gogeta is 50x stronger than that.
@@rohangardiner Tbf, he could if you want to take that the fusions are stronger than the strongest forms of the fusees meaning Base Gogeta>MUI Goku (and Manga Vegito kinda does show that given in base he was stronger than MSSJB Goku which was their strongest form at the time)
Jiren had insane power and control, he was leagues above the Saiyans, and the main character. Goku never had to close a BIGGER gap in power in the entire series of dragon ball then fighting Jiren .
no he wasn't in the manga vegeta actually says that jiren isn't that much stronger than them he just has better control of his power, and that the gap between them wasn't that far actually
@@martinwylie1681 I saw that and Vegeta is on his BS ark was leaves above them in actual rough strength and speed the mongering actually adapted to MUA Goku. We even commented on how his potential was limitless and he actually ended up beating him MUI Goku.
Broly. Goku was mopping jiren once he unlocked mui he was actually gonna be defeated by goku but his mui ran out and almost destroyed his body. Broly needed them to fuse and power up to ssj blue
Other thing that nobody talks about is that Jiren wouldn't let Broly reach his full power. Like Kale is almost literally Broly, and Jiren just one shot him in the moment he notice that she could be a problem from.
You took 30 seconds to say what everyone knows. Nobody ever debated that Gogeta would be weaker than MUI, its a quite well-known fact that Gogeta is absurdly OP which is exactly why it has a timer.
Jaron has to sit down and charge for a while before he's able to actually let loose the way he does. Which means that unless he has backup broly is going to ragdoll him
Everyone forgets that for db super Broly, that was his first fight ever, and it was non stop, first Vegeta, then Goku, then Goku and Vegeta, then frieze then Gogeta all in one drawn out fight with no rest in between... Bro never trained and just was learning as he fought LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN FTW
I'd say Broly's got more raw power, being able to push Gogeta to blue is insane. But like some other commenters have said, Jiren's got raw power and mastery over it. Unless Broly got ahold of his strength, he'd become predictable, easy to bait, and Jiren could take him down. Not easily, of course, Broly would probably put Jiren on the back foot for a lot of the fight-- but again, Jiren's power is controlled, focused. So yeah, in the forms we see them in the actual anime, Jiren wins highdiff, but if Broly ever learned to be on his level of mastery of his strength, Broly's turning Jiren into a skidmark on the wall. Huh. Thinking about it, Jiren would make a damn good master for Broly after Goku and Vegeta and Beerus are done with him.
Blue Gogeta is most *certainly* many times stronger than MUI Goku-- MUI is insane, but Blue Gogeta isn't just Goku Blue + Vegeta Blue. It's closer to GB+VB multiplied by some unknown number-- but even if that number is just two-- That's two blue gokus and two blue vegetas *minimum*.
Jiren learns from goku and just learns kioken times 100 lol. Also remember. Topo has god of destruction powers now and he has access to hyperbolic time chamber potentially so just like how frieza found one and used it. Jiren may go into one and train as hard as frieza.
Broly. The one character Freeza doesn’t even want to try to get revenge on. He wants nothing to do with him. “We’ll leave them be. Hopefully they can get that temper of his under control for all of our sake”
The thing about Jiren is that he was a master of controlling his energy, and how to use it. In Super Hero (and the Manga), vegeta references this, and how Jiren was not that much stronger than him or Goku, but his control was what kept him a cut above them.
Broly on the other hand has no control. I’m sure Broly is stronger than Jiren, but he won’t beat him until he learns to not attack mindlessly.
He was leagues stronger than them but I understand your point
I still can't take vegeta's word for that . Jiren was not even flinching when Goku was using SSG .
@@malsawmahnamte9871 yeah bit they were about the same when using ssgss jiren was stronger than them but not like broly was.
@@malsawmahnamte9871it wasnt just that jiren had general control, he had fantastic ki control, allowing him to completely have control over his energy. like whis stated, goku and vegeta had that god ki nearly spilling out of them. i trust vegetas word 100% and it makes perfect sense that jirens power was a matter of pure discipline and skill, which matches his entire character
Dang I remember this comment having 9 likes now 53????
I think MUI Goku could have defeated him but the fact that his body couldn't handle it just gave the win to Jiren.
He did defeat him, he was gonna finish him right before his body gave out
Facts I was just about to say that
Yeah jiren apologized to goku that he thought he won out of pity cuz of goku’s body giving out and immobilizing him before he could finish jiren
To be fair if mui goku was there the same would be done to broly but it wouldnt take much effort for mui goku to beat broly
Jiren yielded before goku's body took its toll for using MUI. It's clearly a win for goku
When broly went green, he was eating ssj Gogeta's hits, that's why they skipped to blue
Broly: *Om nom nom*
Gogeta could had handled him in base also at the start of the fight gogeta wasn’t trying to kill him he was just trying to stop broly’s rampage. 1 blow in base would be all to take down gogeta.
@KAY4ZZ no gogeta was trying to defeat broly not kill which means he was still trying considering fp ssj broly power kept rising at a faster pace gogeta had to transform or he would die he used ssjb to overpower brolys power for the win so without ssjb gogeta wouldve lost due to brolys power rising so fast in the form
@@Itztoxiccc I just said he wasn’t trying to kill him.
@@KAY4ZZ oh mb I read that wrong
Cant forget that not only did Broly fight the stronger enemy, but his potential is even greater than Goku and Vegeta's.
And lame gohan's
Jiren beats broly mid diff.
@@andrewverrett568 "Jiren beats broly mid diff" ☝🤓 I never said he didn't. I just said that he "might" because even post top Goku AND Vegeta couldn't beat broly. Not to mention bro only has 2 actual transformations that he clapped Goku and Vegeta with
@andrewverrett568 no he fucking dosent. Brolly is stronger
Broly will wipe the floor with him. Jiren ain't fighting no Gogeta bro 😂
Broly never skips leg day
Jiten crying loudly in corner
Bro built like an actual Dorito
@@XyLo2517real😭🔺
This is accurate. However, i feel it all depends on how the fight goes. If Jiren goes full power from the start, he's winning. But if the fight gets drawn out, Broly will just continue to get stronger until it's too much for Jiren to handle.
Y'all forget Jiren also gets stronger😂😂
Even Belmod said he has never seen Jiren like that
@@criminal5828 Its not the same as Broly. He basically has the same potential as a normal saiyan.
@@roberthastings5969 the thing is let’s say broly gets to his ikari form that’s it he can’t control his ssj or full power ssj so broly is getting beat down hard
@@kidgoku3763 Not really. Broly has already been stated to be stronger than jiren by toriyama himself. Even with all that, Broly has enough raw power (+ he continuously gets stronger) to defeat Jiren.
@@criminal5828 yeah, no shit Bro. Damn right. Everyone keep on saying Broly surpass him during fight but after Goku's motivation Jiren is something else 😂
I think the scary thing about Broly vs Jiren is Broly can tank alot of damage and his power grows the longer the fight drags out, the only way to take down Broly would be to finish him with one powerful attack. Vegeta and Goku are bad match ups to Broly because they drag out their fights to test how strong they are, you need a Trunks no nonsense type to kill the enemy 😅
You are confusing DBZ Broly and DBS Broly. You don’t need to do that in order to defeat broly at LSSJ, He is durable not invincible he cant stop all the attacks from Gogeta during the fight and was actively running away the entire time. He was growing in power not obtaining more power, he was just using more of his power until he unlocked new forms but thats it.
@@Epicvibes999 I'm not talking to a Bot about anything
Jiren can kill broly before he got power up, even Toppo are more tha enough to kill Broly in just an instant if he use hakai, before broly power up,
The mattet of fact Toppo lost against Vegeta SSB EVOLVED BECAUSE Toppo didnt use his power well,
Toppo literally spamming hakai instead of usimg his power toe to toe against Vegeta,
And they're allowed to kill which mean they need to throw their foes outside of the ring,
@@DrianLatorre yep , just like Jiren finished off universe 6s legendary saiyan. No playing around.
Jiren would do the same thing he did to Kale. Now, I'm not saying it would work, or that Broly is on par with Kale, I'm simply pointing out the fact that Jiren literally is the "One powerful attack and be done" Type of guy.
Bro really said "ssjss gogeta" 💀
Yeah kinda got annoying too. Just say ssb
@Kenneth Stone yeah no 💀
*ACCENT* *OR HE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO SAY IT RIGHT*
Brk said ssjss. What a bozo😂
Bro also said they on the power levels of GODS 😭😭😭
Technique vs Brutality
I totally agree although I will say that when Broly learns to control of his power nobody in the universe will beat him
broly is already training with whis and Goku. just saying lol. and he was more powerful than jiren before reaching regular super Saiyan. a year of training on Beerus planet and broly singlehandedly jumps ever villain in the series at once lmao
I agree.. Broly's potential is unlimited... If he was to learn how to controll his powers fully, no one would be able to beat him..
Full potential broly doesnt exist since he has no ceiling. He has the highest potential in the multiverse, with training and experience could easily clap gods
What if it was dbs broly tho?
@@HalfAryanHunterGathererdid your mother tell you that😂?
Reminder broly learns while he fights
Exactly I don’t understand why people think Jiren is Stronger.
Sure Jiren does have amazing control of his energy which would help him a lot just like how we saw in broly movie goku and vegeta. But Jiren won’t be able to fuse and Broly learns way to quick so broly wins.
Brody would body jiren.
@@Dschannel7 i would say Broly has good IQ.
So where was any of this learning vs Blue Goku and Blue gogeta?
@@jmgonzales7701battle iq that is.
Sparking Zero intro: "Allow me to introduce myself."
Imagine broly somehow attained god ki 💀
Cause just Super Saiyan broly was strong enough to stomp both Goku, Vegeta in their blue form and frieza in his golden form 💀💀
Imagine Jiren or Frieza getting it too tho, or Beast Gohan God Ki
Broly canonically folding Freeza for a full hour is still a top anime ass whooping for me. I wish we got to see more of it.
He will kill almost anybody cause the madder he get the stronger he will be.
It took for 2 Saiyans to fuse ...just to beat Broly. Broly is a monster.
Bro think that compares to time itself not being able to defy jirens energy
They were a formidable matchup against Jiren unfused too. Against Gogeta, He wouldn’t even need to go super Saiyan.
@@ralegade7710Gogeta was getting cooked until he got SSB and started Gogetaing all over the place
It took a plot armor 17 that couldn't beat imperfect cell and it now without training somehow as strong as goku blue. Frieza and goku at the end and only because 17 used his barrier making jirens own attack weaken him. Goku blue with times 20 kiao kin and evolved blue vegeta couldn't even land hits on jiren. I think jiren still beats Gogeta. Another way to compare. Full power broly beat on golden frieza for over an hour and frieza was still in his golden form. Jiren made frieza revert back to his 4th form with about 6 strikes. Jiren is way stronger than people think he is. Jiren would mop the floor with broly. Jiren would probably still beat gogeta
@@andrewverrett568you’re correct. Forgot about that. Jiren wins
Jiren is the character who is capable of controlling his power no matter how much it is and also he breaks his limits when needed.. even MUI goku was not able to defeat him, its only because of his team mates
Whereas
Broly is a massive character who has no control of his anger, there is no question of controlling his power so if they have to face togather then jiren would win because he is able to control the power and win the fight with is battle iq
Bonus:-
Everyone know that physical power is less than mental power
Dragon Ball Legends 4th Anniversary Special Story, when Broly Fought Jiren, and Gogeta Blue helps Goku to master Ultra Instinct
Yes, there gogeta said that goku in ui sign is weaker than lssj broly
Its non canon though
@@IMSAYINGNO7864 but, it's cool
@@tm_knuckles4126 yeah but we cant actually use it as proof or something
You forget broly gets a senkai boost everytime
It’s not a senpai. The thing is with broly sure he can tap into his power faster. Although this is the power he has already had he just didn’t have strong enough foes to draw that power out until he met Goku and vegeta. So in all honestly he’s capped to lssj
Need a movie where they just fight the whole time like dbs broly. Even if it’s for “training” just want to see them go at it
Db Xenoverse
Assuming Broly starts as FPSSJ, he wins. Broly was stated to be the strongest enemy in history, thus is stronger than Jiren was by the end of the movie. Now Jiren did have far superior ki control, but Broly was both stronger, and has a faster growth rate, given he went from below base Vegeta to above even SSJB Goku, Vegeta and even Jiren in one battle. So higher starting power+growth rate and adaptivity/learning should net the win over better ki control imo.
I like this take. It makes sense the way you quickly covered it cause that's really what it would come down to. Plus, we haven't seen Jiren when flying is enabled and isn't limited to a "No kill" rule (In the Canon anime series available). I feel like Broly still needs time to cook
If POST top Jiren (the ending 131 Jiren) fought Broly movie broly. He would win. He would end up breaking his limits again and getting another amp boost
@@user-o10oo0oo0o It wasn’t small. Gohan said it was a huge increase
And if post gogeta
Broly ez jirentards
Its broly by a mile and there is no post jiren yet because he hasn't shown up again. So broly curb stomps jiren
Jiren don’t play with his food… Brolly gets folded
But he did, he even just ignored people attacking him he didn't go completely out from the beginning and only started using more power as Goku did then pushed past his power level so he did play with his food and then got smacked by it for it, but Jiren would probably still win since Jiren may be weaker Jiren actually fights and it isn't a big enough strength difference for broly to win against an actual fighter
@@gummybearboy2604 that’s false… He took out the big threats and left everybody else for the rest of the pride troopers… He one shooter Kelfa(female broly) and he couldn’t kill so he was restricted…
@@Wrongyouare he straight up was getting boxed at by everyone but decided to not fight back that is definitely playing with your food like man sat there as Goku was consistently trying to attack but couldn't care less instead of just fucking him up and then chilling out
@@user-o10oo0oo0o I honestly might be wrong it's been a while since I've really watched or read that section so I might be remembering wrong
Master Roshi begs to differ
I know Akira made Broly stronger, he said that "if Cell Max was full prepared to his perfect form not even Broly would have stoped him" wich means Broly was the strongest saiyan after Gohan in the movie, but I think Jiren would still win because he have more experience+stamina+skills+IQ & BattleIQ than Broly
Broly was stronger than Gohan, hence why Akira specifically referenced Broly
Goku also had all those things and he still lost with no effort from Broly :)
@@ParadiseDB7 Goku was in ssjBlue bruh /:
@@handzofstone1152
Akira :"Gohan is actually stronger than anyone"
@@user-o10oo0oo0o
Try to organize your words more because I did not understand anything of what you are saying
brolys battle power rises as he fights similar to ue, so saying that jiren broke past his limits so that he can win doesn’t really do anything considering broly shattered dimensions JUST by transforming into ssj
Bro, you've made me appreciate db sm more
He's wrong. Here's the real comparison. Ultra Instinct Goku cannot defeat Super Sayan Gogeta. Broly was knocking around Super Sayan Gogeta until he turned Blue, while Ultra Instinct Goku was giving Jiren the business. Broly wins just based off that.
it was stated by toyriyama that broly is stronger. W video tho
No it wasn’t, lol
It's also important to note Broly didn't scale to Blue Gogeta, he was massively outclassed in that regard. The only way Broly could beat Jiren is if he could last long enough for the power boosts but I think Jiren could take him out well before that.
no not well jiren will indeed struggle coz broly now has proper food and training and you know well broly adapts as he fights
He was keeping up with Gogeta at least until he went Blue. Then he started getting rag dolled.
He will do the same thing what he did to khale.. Just drop a powerful compressed ki blast.. Broly is done
@aharonmercy6433 your comparing kale to broly which is stupid. Broly was able to keep up with super saiyan gogeta he had to go blue otherwise broly would have continued to grow in power and gogeta would have destroyed jiren in Super saiyan. Broly now has control over SS and we don't have anything outside of top for jiren so broly turn stomps jiren unless jiren shows up again
@@havuseenmymonkey6663 if we’re talking Broly in the movie, then Jiren stomps, it’s not even a question, he’d notice Broly’s quick progression and take him out before he got too strong. Just like how he did with Kale(not saying Kale is as strong as Broly I’m just saying how Jiren took her out quickly before she kept rampaging)
Broly just grows extremely fast in power in his lssj state and overpowers Jiren 🗿
Broly has more potential than anyone. If he had the battles and training that goku vegeta and jeren had... he'd be on and angel level
Wrong lol go back to the old statement and it’s still true Half Saiyans have more potential than full saiyans…Gohan is classified the strongest now in the manga if broly had that potential it would’ve been him easily since he’s training with Goku and Vegeta who has god essence ki
Broly was born far stronger than any sayian... he is a freak... look at the battles gohan has had vs what broly has had. Gohan has face ginyus, freizas, cells, androids, buus, deburas.... broly only trained with his dad and a mildly wild beast... broly destroyed god forms of saiyans... gohan is strongest now... who's to say what they write for broly in the future in the manga... like i said broly has the MOST POTENTIAL!!
LOL angel levels
Gogeta>>broly al bserker
@@opdaishinkan582 thank you bro 😂 dude must’ve never seen the movie even in the movie once Goku and Vegeta fused and turned SSB Broly never laid a finger on him I’ve watched that movie plenty of times, if broly had that much potential he would’ve at least got some clean hits on gogeta but he didn’t 😂 soon SSB made an appearance Broly was cooked . Even in the manga he’s still not the one with most potential they would’ve been said that
@@BlackMigoReacts Thats right gan, gogeta vsbroly fight as if broly didn't give gogeta much resistance
meanwhile, regarding jiren, he succeeded in winning over MUI goku
jiren's strength surprises the god but is not equal to angels
the fight will take a long time giving broly the time he needs to adapt and start landing nasty shots
The first fan art is really good. Original Dragon Ball Z style. 👍
rip jiren bro is not surviving broly with the green hair
So what about Ultra Instinct Goku in full control of the essence?
Yes he is bro
“Ssjss”😂 headass
that's the actual name
FR JUST SAY SS BLUE😂
@@YaBoi_Tay I KNOW BUT JUST SAY SS BLUE😂
@@EDDITZZXD true
@@YaBoi_Tay no it's Ssgss or super saiyan god super saiyan not ssjss there is no J
I think its also worth considering, Broly was going all out against Vegeta and Goku in just super saiyan blue while Jiren was whooping Goku in bluex20 and vegeta evolved effortlessly
"What if Jiren fought Broly?"
The most bitchin fight ever, that's what.
In the end Goku was about to end him until his body gave out…
And in the Manga jiren beats mui. So in both iterations mui couldn't get him done. So jiren is stronger
@@jareejones
mui did beat him in the anime though
@@TheFakeMakotoYuki how? It's the same as goku beating golden frieza. Friezas body gave out and goku won the fight. It's OK if you hate jiren but he still won the fight. Goku was literally about to get knocked off but got saved by 17
@jareejones And Jiren was about to get knocked out before Goku's body gave out
It's basically the Golden Frieza vs SSB Goku fight: Both are basically on equal terms, one side makes a mistake that makes the other have the upper hand (Golden Frieza not training more with his Golden form, Jiren attacking the Universe 7 stand, causing Goku to get angry), get defeated and when they're about to get finished, an unforseen factor happens and incapacitates the winning side (Sorbet snipping Goku, and Ui taking its toll on Goku's body)
Only difference is that Sorbet works with frieza, and could be argued that it was an emergency plan. Jiren was as surprised as everyone else when Goku fell down and started to scream in pain
Bruh that’s what I kept saying but people was still on broly meat at da time💀😭
Exactly smh 💀😂
Ong he got nothing on Jihim
Read the retcon on Jiren than
@@tommytokes4925 that retcon is complete bs to me, Jiren was pounding (pause) both Goku n Vegeta and was tanking many of their shots, lets not forget he was blocking post Future Trunks arc SSG Goku’s hits with 1 finger
@@thesehandsarelethal bro broly was tanking goku and vegeta and had to fusion but still I would like to wait until they fight to see which the creator thinks wins
Broly goin super Saiyan blue💀💀💀
Broly also has insane battle adaptability as shown by his movie berserk state or not. This was the reason the Gogeta fusion was needed in the first place.
Thank u for this short iv been waiting for such a video Soo thanks😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Once Broly loses control, Jirin will go 100% and knock him out before Broly grows enough to beat him. He was about to do the same thing in the top with Kale.
Jiren plays with his food. He enjoys a strong opponent so he wouldn’t do that
FAX
Broly is not kale who goku hold in ssj2
full power Jiren: 1 tapping Broly n removing his heart
Broly: Gets up 5 times stronger and gains super armor
also Broly: "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"
I think he would break the rules by flying
You are unable to fly in the null realm even if you want too. Goku tried it.
Jiren: This is my full power Broly!
Broly: Wait, you're actually trying?
Man I know there saving that ultra instinct fusion for like 10 years from now
Broly would've clapped some white cheeks bruh, my man defeated 2 SSBs in his first fight ever and went to that level from basically normal saiyan level
Full power broly beat on golden. Frieza for over an hour and he was still in golden form. Jiren made frieza lose his golden form with about 5 hits. I think jiren would damn near if not beat gogeta. People just like broly more but jiren is an absolute monster all around. Control, techniques, power, stamina. All around just a monster. Jiren beats broly mid diff. And gives gogeta a good run if not beats him too.
Jiren was toying around with KKx20 SSB Goku, SSBE Vegeta (equivalent to KKx20 SSB) and Android 17 which was around SSB level jumping him at once without breaking a sweat and before breaking his limits later on when facing MUI which is a angel level feat. Not to mention he even seemed to have MUI Goku almost defeated before the power of friendship kicked in
@@andrewverrett568 he’s definitely not beating Gogeta tbh, just giving him a good fight. The most he can do is fight until the timer runs out, but a post TOP SSB Gogeta being beaten by Jiren is a huge stretch in my honest opinion
If only DBS Broly knew how to fight like DBZ Broly 😓
Perhaps Broly is a little bit stronger than Jiren but with Broly not being able to control his Ki, he will be drained of energy way before Jiren would be. So I give the win to Jiren, who has mastered his ki.
You have to remember Jiren wasn't trying to kill Goku or Vegeta during the Top. He held back a lot of his energy. Majority of the time he was playing with them. In my opinion, Jiren allowed Goku, Frieza, and Andriod #17 to eliminate him. Watch the scene toward the end, after Goku, Frieza and #17 hit him with their combined blast and the screen shattered. You can see Jiren was smiling. I honestly think Jiren could have won the ToP but he learned a lesson from Goku about fighting for your friends instead of solely fighting for power (strength). That's why Jiren allowed Universe 7 to beat him and he apologized to Universe 1 after being eliminated for how he treated them.
Nah jiren mid af broly rawdogs his universe vegeta was confident about him and goku vs jiren but literally wanted no smoke with ss broly and wanted to fuse so clear difference the stakes aren’t any different either because the world is on the line regardless
@@cringegoblin5227 lmao
A bit? I mean he forced them to use fusion where until he went blue, ssj Gogeta and Broly were about even
I’d say more than a little bit
Due to zenkai I’ll say base broly movie goku > Ssj3 Late T.O.P Goku, and Base Gogeta is stronger than SsjbKKx20 Goku • Royal Blue Vegeta, and broly was holding his own enough for Gogeta to use Ssjb soo uh
@@BIGD-cc7ru Jiren has a definitive edge he would kill broly in a single blow
Dragonball is so under rated where I live. None of my friends even knew about it. I ❤ it thanks to my older brothers.
The fact that we’re comparing a Sayian that’s now has only had one fight against two of the strongest characters in DBZ fused in their God state to others who have years of experience is insane
Jiren effortlessly punched Frieza out of his golden form.
Broly beat up golden Frieza for an hour and he was still conscious.
Jiren > Broly
Ssjb goku in nroly movie would by higher than ui omen goku from TOP
@@alexandrosandreou8585 sources, yes.
people just refuse to accept it
they know damn well Jiren can obliterate broly without using his full power.
Jiren blocked attacks from Blue Goku and Vegeta to avoid damage. Attacks from blue Goku and Vegeta did nothing to Broly.
Is we done?
@@ralegade7710 jiren tank blue kkx20 kameha and blue evolved final flash with no single scratch in ep124 he also tank ui omen kameha clean in ep110
The only difference is in their mentality. One is like the calm ocean while the other is like boiling lava.
Nah, Jiren was like boiling lava when he was getting that ass handed to him.
@@ralegade7710 true but he’d be calm and collected when fighting Broly, the moment he notices Broly’s steady power progression he’s taking him out before Broly got too strong. Manga Broly on the other hand is a different conversation
Goku only needed help from Frieza because the god ki was too much for him and his body failed. If he hadn't fallen, Jiren would have been eliminated sooner.
How? If he was gonna win before goku zenkai boost
let's talk accurately.
Base Gogeta is about SSB Goku + SSBE Vegeta, which in in of itself could give Jiren minor problems, but not for SSJ Broly.
Officially, Gogeta went SSB at the start of the battle due to the fact that if he went even a little less in, Broly would've adapted -which would be the case in this hypothetical battle-, and in change, destroyed earth, and many other planets.
Thing about Broly is how fast he adapts. He is basically THE Legendary super saiyan.
W🔥
Broly would slap jirens shiny bald head and jiren would DIE
Wrong jiren would end that fight. Broly can’t control his power and jiren can. Remember kale went beserk and jiren had to stop it before it got even worse. Until Broly can control himself jiren will stomp him
Fu : let's put it to a test :D
Granted this was Brolys first time actually fighting. Hes just going to get stronger each time and if he can control his SSJ form he would be a powerhouse
Broly is basically a god! In ssjj he fought and, at times, over powered blue forms, even used golden F as a mest sack for 1 hour. Not to mention, Broly learned to fight as he fought
Facts remember in the first movie he destroyed a galaxy and a planet with one blast lol
Broly would just adapt to the point where jiren wouldn’t stand a chance
Exactly
Facts
Full Power SSJ Broly is stomping Jiren.
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@@saifhussain9701 Explain me how thats cap?
Jayku Cap
Broly will be able to defeat Jiren.
1, Toriyama stated that Broly is stronger than MUI Goku in his interview.
2. Broly will be able to tank all Jiren attacks like nothing becuz am not sure if Jiren attacks are even as potent SSJ Gogeta.
3, The power scaling is now.
TUI > UE Vegeta & Broly > MUI Goku of DBS SH > MUI Goku of Granola arc > MUI Goku of MORO Arc > MUI Goku of T.o.p. > Jiren LB.
So Broly >>>>> Jiren .
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Considering how ridicilous the fusion amp is (carthu dojo video all his statements are canon) this implies that a ssj vegito could beat jiren with ease and blue would 1 shot him so broly tanking god knows how many hits after gogeta went blue implies to me broly stomping
How do you know that carthus statements are Canon they're theories and plus base goku and vegeta are nowhere near jirens base so even when fused and ssj I don't think it's enough. I'm just saying ssj vegito can't beat jiren
@@rohangardiner Base Gogeta was already superior to stronger versions of SSB Goku and Vegeta than the ones who Jiren fought, who were still giving him problems by the end of the tournament. SSJ Gogeta is 50x stronger than that.
@@rohangardiner Tbf, he could if you want to take that the fusions are stronger than the strongest forms of the fusees meaning Base Gogeta>MUI Goku (and Manga Vegito kinda does show that given in base he was stronger than MSSJB Goku which was their strongest form at the time)
This all reminds me when people thought kiokien blue goku beats beerus
Well said bro
We are going to be shocked when Jiren gets a cameo in the next saga and he’s been training for years since the ToP.
Jiren had insane power and control, he was leagues above the Saiyans, and the main character. Goku never had to close a BIGGER gap in power in the entire series of dragon ball then fighting Jiren .
no he wasn't in the manga vegeta actually says that jiren isn't that much stronger than them he just has better control of his power, and that the gap between them wasn't that far actually
@@martinwylie1681 I saw that and Vegeta is on his BS ark was leaves above them in actual rough strength and speed the mongering actually adapted to MUA Goku. We even commented on how his potential was limitless and he actually ended up beating him MUI Goku.
Broly. Goku was mopping jiren once he unlocked mui he was actually gonna be defeated by goku but his mui ran out and almost destroyed his body. Broly needed them to fuse and power up to ssj blue
Broly had no prior training. Let that sink in
Don't forget brolly learns instantly as he fights and adapts to any style or power level
Yeah he has good iq, very underrated.
I've been watching your videos for so long but forgot to subscribe so I did right now sorry
First video where it wasn’t “jiren sucks he’s outclassed”
YOU HAVE A HIDDEN TALENT FOR POWERSCALING, LETS KEEP IT HIDDEN!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Stop, pls broly is stomping jiren out😭 great vid tho
Absolutely not.
Broly is stronger than him but due to him having more experience, Ki control, Battle IQ etc the win goes to Jiren.
@@Scxrred. jiren is stronger.
@@higgovatch4246 no hes not
@@Rep838 Yes. Yes he is.
Remember this muscular gigachad in regular super saiyan, humiliated 2 vegetables in ssjb
also while jiren and goku mui were pretty relative though goku had a very slight edge in the end broly was fully outclassed and overpowered
Broly easily win
If Broly was in the TOP, he would be disqualified for accidentally killing someone probably.😅
Jiren fought the whole cast including Hit, Frieza, 17, Goku and Vegeta simultaneously
Other thing that nobody talks about is that Jiren wouldn't let Broly reach his full power. Like Kale is almost literally Broly, and Jiren just one shot him in the moment he notice that she could be a problem from.
So why did he let Goku reach his full power? He knocked out kale out of boredom. If Jiren knew what Broly was capable of, he would take that challenge
Let’s not forget that Kale in her LSS form was a breeze for Jiren.
The way jiren blocked hella shots by just staring them down
You took 30 seconds to say what everyone knows. Nobody ever debated that Gogeta would be weaker than MUI, its a quite well-known fact that Gogeta is absurdly OP which is exactly why it has a timer.
Jaron has to sit down and charge for a while before he's able to actually let loose the way he does. Which means that unless he has backup broly is going to ragdoll him
Everyone forgets that for db super Broly, that was his first fight ever, and it was non stop, first Vegeta, then Goku, then Goku and Vegeta, then frieze then Gogeta all in one drawn out fight with no rest in between... Bro never trained and just was learning as he fought
LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN FTW
Jiren wasn't allowed to kill, and so removing that restriction... Bye, Broly.
Jiren was not stronger than MUI Goku, Goku was just about to finish him, but his body couldn’t handle ultra instinct yet
I'd say Broly's got more raw power, being able to push Gogeta to blue is insane.
But like some other commenters have said, Jiren's got raw power and mastery over it. Unless Broly got ahold of his strength, he'd become predictable, easy to bait, and Jiren could take him down.
Not easily, of course, Broly would probably put Jiren on the back foot for a lot of the fight-- but again, Jiren's power is controlled, focused.
So yeah, in the forms we see them in the actual anime, Jiren wins highdiff, but if Broly ever learned to be on his level of mastery of his strength, Broly's turning Jiren into a skidmark on the wall.
Huh.
Thinking about it, Jiren would make a damn good master for Broly after Goku and Vegeta and Beerus are done with him.
Blue Gogeta is most *certainly* many times stronger than MUI Goku-- MUI is insane, but Blue Gogeta isn't just Goku Blue + Vegeta Blue. It's closer to GB+VB multiplied by some unknown number-- but even if that number is just two--
That's two blue gokus and two blue vegetas *minimum*.
Keep in mind we never saw Jiren go all out.
Since in the ToP you're not allowed to kill.
Ngl that was probably brolys first actual fight as a saiyin The possibilities were endless
Jiren learns from goku and just learns kioken times 100 lol. Also remember. Topo has god of destruction powers now and he has access to hyperbolic time chamber potentially so just like how frieza found one and used it. Jiren may go into one and train as hard as frieza.
I wonder if Brolly will get a new form based off of the green aura. Gohan has his form without a tail, but Brolly has this form with his tail
"broly and Jiren the two main antagonist" black Frieza laughing in hakai
Broly getting whis and goku and vegeta training on beerus planet maybe the scariest thing ever
I was wondering what would happen if these 2 powerhouses had met
DBS really said itself that the villains come later are the strongest
It's crazy to think when they fuzed, that goku learned vegetas ego sight, and vegeta learned gokus instinct.
Mui Goku: shows sign Goku
And SSGSS gogeta: shows base gogeta
For reference on how strong MUI is, in Heroes it outclassed Cumber who was winning against a Blue Kaioken Vegito.
Broly. The one character Freeza doesn’t even want to try to get revenge on. He wants nothing to do with him. “We’ll leave them be. Hopefully they can get that temper of his under control for all of our sake”
Then Black Frieza appears, now it’s not even a competition between them
Definitely needed to have a fight between them it would be amazing