Hey Carthu, did you notice the interesting similarities between Namekians and Yardratians. Like, both of these focus on spirit control and have similar abilities.
It would have been justifiable if the Kamikaze Fireballs put on a whole song and dance performance-- since that couldn't come across in a manga but could be fire in an anime. I am not sure why the chance was wasted-- could the anime studio find no idol group to voice them and create a song for them?
I feel like Hit would train with Vados, with Champa sparring with him from time to time. Vados can rewind time among lord knows what else so it would work from that aspect. Plus them knowing Goku, Vegeta and Jiren among others are out there, would be the motivation.
plus he's a spectacular prodigy, able to quickly adapt and evolve, but more mature than the uni 6 saiyans. He would even make a good GoD candidate, what with his indifferent attitude and efficient methods.
Honestly, with the inclusion of orange piccolo we could see universe 6 namekians doing that than train it to later fuse together to push the power up past its limits so maybe the lowest to highest potential
could be just me but i think it'd be nice if frost got cooler's 5th form as it could not only be really cool looking but it would also make frost a bulkier and harder to move fighter
@@Memelord1117 Frieza buff form is also a genuine power up. Heck when Goku sends him to the sun his mask is shattered and shows us his first form face.
That ending with the Erased Universe’s rebelling against Zeno and the Grand Priest that Carthu was talking about has already been made into a great fan-manga called Dragon Ball Kakumei, UnRealEntGaming has it on his channel and the art and storytelling is actually beyond good
@@QuiteUniversallyVegito That’s kinda guilty pleasure to me, great combat choreography, best to cool down on the 4th wall breaks and pop-culture references.
@@CHADCONTEXT Dunno, heard it from an UnrealEntGaming comment section reply post just before making that comment, shouldn’t be too hard to find, but that’s what he said.
I think it’s out of character for Vegeta to separate Kefla. He’d rather fight her head on. Or anybody for for that matter. Moro was a special case because he was constantly absorbing energy from the earth and other people. That’s why we haven’t seen him use it since the Moro arc.
Well he really hasn't had to need to use it considering no one's powers or energy was getting stolen.... But he would use that technique as a last resort
It kinda depends on how it's framed. If it's shown as taking shortcuts to surpass individual opponents, then sure, Vegeta splits them. If it's shown as an expansion on their natural teamwork and cooperation, I think Vegeta will tackle them head on
he hasn't used it since moro because there's been only one arc that he's been a main character of since moro and neither opponent in that arc was a fusion or stole energy
The next tournament of power seems to be Vegeta's time to shine with forced spirit fission he probably is the ace of Universe 7 this time which goes in hand with his Ultra Ego.
Eh I mean unless they just don’t allow him to use it somehow because it’s wayy to OP so I suspect there’s either going to be a rule preventing that or they just won’t let him use it at all
@@Random-hl2uqI highly doubt there would be a rule against that considering there was a rule against physical weapons but the way around that is that people were able to make energy weapons
The thing with Forced Spirit Fission is I don't think it works on beings without spirits. So, for Agnilaza, maybe he can be separated into Paparoni and Koichiarator, but no more. Also, after the ToP, Universe 3 could send interuniversal spies and develop something more like Cell or the Androids.
Even with with force spirit fission I honestly see Vegeta using it only as a last resort because his Saiyan pride wouldn’t let him take such a easy way out unless he was all out of options
Yeah people forget that Vegeta wouldnt just let the chance to fight a fusion pass. He would be careful but not immediatly resort to weakening the enemy. There is also the point of reserving the technique as an trump card.
With Ultra Ego he gets stronger as the fight goes on, and stronger the more he believes he will win. Saving spirit fission as a trump card with Ultra Ego will make him absolutely unstoppable against fused opponents because he knows he is going to win.
Kinda off topic but I feel like exploring the other universes would be a nice way to introduce characters that we already know but with a new look and history like Janemba,Tapion,Pikkon etc
lol, those characters belong to U7, exploring other universes aren't going to give us those characters. Other universes have their own characters many won't be relevant bc they're a downgrade in the enemy powerscaling. It's like jumping from the biggest thing in a lake then moving to the ocean just to focus on a clownfish doesn't make sense.
That idea with the 6 previously erased Universes rebelling sounds extremely interesting! It wouldn’t really work though, as Zeno would just be able to erase them all again. Except if there was a force behind that rebellion which would delay or prevent the erasure. I’ve always asked myself where the Grand Priest came from, and after reading about an extremely powerful Namekian who would be the “god of creation” of the multiverse I had come up with an idea: At the start of multiverse, there were 5 primordial beings that came to be with it. One was destruction (Zeno), one was creation (that would be the Namekian) another would be Time, next is Order (which I personally think is the Grand Priest, as he does practically everything for the Omni King) but the last one is the most interesting. I named that one Entropy, born to be everything and nothing, something which’s presence creates chaos and provokes change. There was a fight between these primordial beings, as the others tried containing Entropy so as to prevent the complete disorder it would surely bring. Being split up with the creation of the universes, it would be completely locked away with parts of it being destroyed by Zeno. But bringing back those 6 universes might awaken it.
That distinction about mortal levels at the start was very needed. I've seen too many people who think that U1, 12, 5 and 8 must be stronger just because they didn't have to compete in the tournament.
I see what Carthu did with Belmod since toppo is gonna be the next God Of Destruction. I’m so excited to watch this Edit after : I personally think that Vegeta is the most useful fighter in universe 7
I would rather have a different approach like imagine zeno suggesting that only new warriors from each universes will be permitted in the tournament just imagine Trunks, goten, ( adults) yamcha, gamma 1 , gamma 2 etc competing Vs new fighters all around
But there's one thing that there is still left to consider: prep time. Every universe only had so much time to find mortals that could compete in T.O.P. That increases with significance when you take into consideration the size of each universe (which is massive). With a lot more time, the gods of each universe could find, and train, better mortals than they did before.
I could see Freeza trying to recruit people from the other universes like 13-18. Because of his interest in controlling Broly, but failing to find him, could lead him to resort to finding other powerful warriors in other universes and enlisting their help.
@@JarethCruz-vc6zc if they had a sort of alt timeline rr I could see cell and maybe androids. Buu I feel like could also have some sort of alternative. Since freeza, broly, etc have alternatives, I don’t think it’s crazy.
Here's a few ideas 1) zeno probably won't make the same stipulations, meaning they won't make the losing universes disappear. So assuming the universes 13-18 are not actually brought back due to too much time passing already (which I believe was a point made in early dbz when trying to revive people with the dragon balls) zeno can make a tournament between universe 7 and the others that did not have to compete leaving out the others that already competed. Making the prize a wish again, but giving each universe their own reason for absolutely needing to gain that wish. 2) universe 2 now that they know their androids weaknesses takes inspiration from 17 and 18. They train a fighter, or fighters, modify them as androids but somehow use God energy or even angle energy to create them making the one fighter or a team of fighters as strong or close to that of a god of destruction. This could make one of the fighters go mad from the power creating a universal threat that other universe's end up teaming up to defeat. Making them the universe to worry about. 3) universe 6 becomes unstoppable because champa in order to beat beerus takes in and trains the saying personally along with frost. An idea I like is Champa finds a place like freeza did similar to the hyperbolic time chamber and allows them all to jump in power. I would like to see caulifa and cabba reach ssjb. Kale evolves her rage form to match broly's. Frost to reach gold at least (or the same level as gold, whatever color he uses). The namikins do some ancient training after the tournament now they have time, something that helps their power to grow so they both at least can match piccolo. Maybe replacing some members now they have more time to look for strong fighters, and their trump card would be hit. For him he explores his time power, but instead of rewinding time, he is able to cast a fastfoward on people, with limits like maybe only one person or 2 to 3 people at a time so that the person will gain the potential power he would have had in the future if he kept growing at the speed their bodies are use to. This would take a toll on hit, but someone like caulifla could potentially reach vageta ultra ego form this way and cabba could reach higher levels then ssjb2 and frost could reach freeza black or platinum form. Just a few ideas, let me know if any of these are good ones.
The thing with the time rule and dragon balls, super dragon balls cna grant anything, so I reckon even millions/billions of years ago when they were erased, they can still be brought back
Something I've considered regarding a second tournament that includes the previously erased universes 13-18 is that there could be an interesting rule change for the second tournament: Universes doubling up as larger teams. This could mean for example that instead of being enemies again, Universe 6 ends up becoming Universe 7's allies since they are pair universes. Another thing to consider is that the teams might not be the same. Some universes might introduce new characters who have managed to grow stronger than the characters they've replaced since the last tournament, and some familiar characters such as Jiren may simply decide to drop out, forcing someone else to take their place. Keep in mind that in Jiren's case, the only reason he entered to begin with was because he wanted the wish for selfish reasons. He has moved on from that selfish desire, so the only reason he would return would be for the sake of teamwork. That depends strongly in how far along he's come in regards to that character arc however, and he may simply still see his universe ending as its natural fate should it fail to be defended, or he could be unconcerned with losing due to believing the same wish as last time would come to pass again. Take also into consideration if the doubled up teams idea comes to pass, which could trim down the number of fighters from each universe in half anyway.
Something I always thought about would be the G.O.D. and Angels taking initiative to get their mortals on the same level as the ones from universe 7. Since each universe has These gods it seems reasonable that they could train their fighters in a similar that whis did with Goku and Vegeta, or how the Kai's Trained gohan for a mystic form. Meaning by the next T.O.P. we could see other universes have fighters with God Ki, or even with their own version of Ultra Instict or Ultra Ego (Imagine Ultra Ego Toppo, Ultra Instict Dyspo, And Potential Unlocked Jiren).
If there's ever a new Tournament of Power, I think they should switch up the format. Maybe instead of a battle royale it can be team matches. You could either split each universe in teams of two, or the more fun option, mix them for some fun character interactions.
kakumei style approach is the best thing that can happen to dragon ball right now, I think they should finish the black frieza saga and inmediately show the other universes to show a multiverse war, kinda like what they did In Kakumei, and then maybe go to diferent timelines like dragon ball super heroes. But kakumei is honestly the way to go, not only because of theyre amazing drawing style but the story is so clean, even with all the filler.
I wonder if Vegeta would even use Forced Spirit Fission, with his pride and all. I can see him not using it to make a fight more interesting (or maybe because the T.O.P. is about survival, he wouldn't use it to let his opponents have a better fighting chance). However, I can also see him using it and telling his opponents that they should fight him using their own strength. 🤔
Out of all the universes I’m most excited to see universe 6. I do think cabba will definitely peruse god ki, but I would want to see caulifla take a different approach to growing stronger. As for universes 13-16 I do want to see them comeback and cause a ruckus similar to the buu saga, but I think it’s unlikely. A issue with the previous tournament of power was us getting to see all of these different characters but not have the time to get to know them. So if the previously erased universes do return I’d like for us to see more of the other universes and learn more about the inhabitants of them first.
SO glad Carthu explained mortal levels It really runs dull when someone spews out about how these universes were left out because of their high mortal levels and how strong they could be when in reality mortal levels being a measurement of quality of life means less violent god-level threats and would therefore lead to softer and squishier mortals that never needed to get strong and fight
Man I would be really curious about how strong the other universe would be in the next TOP, especially U6 and U11. 🤔 But ah man, I really like the idea of U13-U18 interrupting the TOP to rebel against the Zeno, and the different universe have choose which side they are on. 😁
Hey carthu! Amazing work Like always by the way, I Really do wish if Toyotaro And Toriyama create A second tournament of power, bringing back the missing universes 13 through 18, It would be just like The Hit fan manga of dragon ball "kakumei"
I think frieza defecting to a different universe or maybe one of the unseen universes viewing the other universes as inferior and wanting to wish them away would set up a good antagonistic force
I'd love if there was a Universe 6 arc before the next tournament of power, where Goku and Vegeta (or Vegeta alone) go to planet Sadala at the request of Cabba due to some new villain™, I really love the Cabba and Vegeta student-teacher relationship and would like to see it explored more thoroughly and plus it would be interesting if Vegeta meets King Sadala - who was said to be the similar to Vegeta. What would be even more interesting is if a universe other than Universe 7 wins the tournament. If we assume that 1. There was no universe erasure for the lost universes 2. The super dragon balls were still the winning prize 3. If universe 6 won with Cabba being the last man standing, him wishing that Planet Vegeta is revived with all its inhabitants as thanks for Vegeta helping him (Vegeta will tell him afterwards that it was not something he was interested in in the first place, but it would be a very interesting arc to see Vegeta contend with everything he went through and how he changed, and how he sends this message to his people) But I don't know, this is all just what I want to happen, I think if it does happen it will have to be the Vegeta show for a while which I have no problem with
I'm a bit late to the comments, but anyway... if you see this, a 'what if' idea I have been thinking about is; 'What if Goku focused more on techniques then transformations' so like... perfecting the spirit bomb and kaioken, learning forced spirit fission in addition to instant transmission, adding the stardust breaker to his main attacks, etc. I just think it would be interesting to see a version of Goku that wins fights by clever usage of the tools at his disposal instead of through overcoming his limits.
DRAKE OILED UP SMASHING KENDRICK LAMAR AND SCOOBY DOO HE THEN ENDS UP PREGNANCY DRAKE: OH SCOOBY YOUR DOOING ME SO WELL I THINK IM PREGNANT : KENDRICK LET ME GET SONE OF THAT UHG THEY SMASHED FOR 3 hours straight
Can you make a playlist of all of your videos like this? I like listening to these but without a playlist I will be watching a video about beast gohan and then hear a what if about gohan.
Carthu, I get how Forced Spirit Fission negs most fusion characters, but how de-fusing the Universe 6 namekians be officiated? Would Universe 6 be disqualified, or would the team that de-fused them be disqualified? I imagine the former, but the context of fuzed namekians feels way different considering their fusions are more like absorbtions and meant to be permanent. EDIT: I say "disqualified" because of the max allowed team members
A fun twist I have for Hit, make him a God of Creation. He's creating time in himself giving the outward relative perspective it would look like he was stopping time. This could open up so many options for him and give us another type of God to see fight, a bit of an irony being a professional killer.
I think it'd be pretty smart to have most of universe 7 be eliminated and have Goku be forced to team up with another universe to ensure they aren't all wiped off the map by another malicious universe (Potentially 15-18 like you mentioned)
The problem is.....how would that happen if most of the fighters surppased Jiren? Goku Vegeta Gohan Granolah Piccolo(Not really) Frieza Broly And than there is some others like BUU,17 and Merus who we don't know if he still have UI
@@ziadzedo They surpassed Jiren from the TOP arc, but we don't know how strong the current Jiren is who might be able to even fight Black Frieza for all we know
It’ll probably be more like a proper tournament too with bracket systems and all that they could draw it out longer and speed it up with team matches where the final 3 or 4 members team up and try to defeat another team
Something to note, as much as I understand that Vegeta has an ability to shut X,Y,Z down. He cant be everywhere at once. Plus lets say Kefla gets a rematch with Goku, he wouldnt want Vegeta to weaken his opponent. Which would be great if it led to him losing to Kefla. Showing how much stronger they have gotten, and making the score 1-1
There's so much potential in the idea of the other universes teams for an hypothetical ToP 2. Of course I'd love some character development for all of them, both from the past ToP but also from maybe some new arcs based in their universes if we are lucky. Anyway, from each universe I'd love to see: - From U2 I'd love new transformations for Ribrianne and her friends (maybe even the three guys that got them in the anime) that mimic other magical girls tropes. I also want an explaination for why there are a Yardratian and a Tuffle in there and some new powerups for them as you said. - From U3 I'd love new modifications for their fighters based on what they learned from our androids in order to cook up some Cell Max level thing. I wouldn't mind even some new very smart and logical fighter. Also some info about Maji Kayo being U3 version of Buu(?) - From U4 I'd love to see more tricksters being properly utilized, give me more things like Shantsa, Damos and Gamisaras. - From U6 there is so much I'd love, like a more powerfull time-bending Hit, Platinum Frost, SSJ3 sayans (with controlled Kale), something interesting with Botamo and Magetta and finally I want a Moro-level Dr Rota! - From U9 I really want more of the Trio de Dangers, give them a new powerup and nee techniques like the ones they showed in the exhibition match. - From U10 well there really isn't much I want to see from them outside of a couple of them, but remember that they betted everything on brute strength last time, so this time they could go for a completely different team or strategy. - From U11, as you said, I'd love a more powerful Dyspo and Jiren and Belmond replacing Toppo, but I also would love to see more teamwork tactics from the other Pride Troopers like in the manga when they almost defeated Kale despite being much weaker.
I swear there’s gonna be some thing like ‘if the fusion is overwhelmingly stronger then forced spirit fission doesn’t work’ just to make fusion be relevant again lol
I think the power of the mortals and the other universes that didn't have to participate is somewhat of a factor. I think in the manga it's either the Grand Priest or someone who says that Zeno was happy that the lower level universes could produce strong mortals like Goku and Toppo I believe. That could be off on who it was they were talking about but it was something along those lines. So it may be SOMEWHAT of a factor.
True, two universes literally stepped down because they fought it would be unfair to the other universes. Its so crazy to think about it. Also, there are the other universes that might come back, like what if the reason some of them were erased was because they were really powerful and tried to rebel agaisnt the gods?
6:40 the only thing I can think of to make them better is that Rumshi said he specifically got only the strongest fighters from the universe, and basically that fancy techniques are fine, but raw strength is what counts (weirdly similar to what Roshi said at the end of the 21 tenkaichi budokai) but Gowasu just went with the team that Rumshi chose, but this time around the change I can see happening is Gowasu actually helping build a new team and finding more members with more technical fighting skill or special techniques, like Oboni had.
it would be so cool to just have an entire arc or hell even movie dedicated to one of the universes like imagine a movie about how the universe 6 characters have to fight some world ending threat no goku or universe 7 just them
You know, i'd always imagine a scenario where a new tournament of power would happen- But like you said- It could get interrupted any time since my main suspect for a troublemaker would be black frieza, as cringey as this may sound. A scenario where the self-proclaimed Emperor would try his second chance at taking the super dragon balls for himself wouldn't be unrealistic, frieza does want to surpass beerus after all.. With his newly trained power and form he could easily be tolerated into the tournament as Zeno would be easily entertained, who knows.. The end of this tournament might be something else than Jiren for a final boss..
Tbh Carthu, when you said that the next T.O.P could be interrupted, I had a short thought that it could be black frieza basically taking on all of the people participating in the tournament of power
Given the bigger power potential in certain universes compared to others, I could imagine they’d limit a future ToP to 4 universes, as that would allow for tighter development and a slower run time, both many complained the first ToP lacked. Due to the current listing on mortal levels, it might not be consistent, but including Universes 2, 6, 7 and 11 feels like the best choice.
7:10 That's not what the image you showed portrays; they are two different words that are spelt differently, like how "Kami" in japanese is how you say "Paper" and "God". If you look at the closed captions (as the person in the tweet did) or were reading the manga you'd be able to tell if the intention is "Lightspeed" or "Highspeed". I bring this up because while this may create confusion, it's not a matter of vauge writer interpretation, it's just as simple as checking the source for the spelling of the word.
All characters that can move at or faster than instant transmission always need and use a technique Granola uses versus unnamed techniques to move faster than instant transmission and he literally says that which you haven’t paid attention to for some reason
That idea with the 6 previously erased Universes rebelling sounds extremely interesting! It wouldn’t really work though, as Zeno would just be able to erase them all again.
Can’t wait for Black Frieza to be one hit by Beast Gohan then get resurrected, train for 2 days, and then turn into Super duper xzy black Frieza who one hits Gohan and then Goku turns into Super double fudge sundae kioken x40000 yellow blue ultra blue instinct xVegito-Gogeta. It’s going to be so cool
As usual your videos are insightful as always, but only one small query I have and that is the 6 previous universes retuning. As much as it would be so sick to have them return in the manga it was straightforward that it was only the 12 universes that came back nth more you could reread that manga T.O.P ending just to be safe
It would be cool to see the lower universes versus the higher 4, the higher universes would need more people per universe to make it fair, but seeing jiren and goku fighting together now that jiren knows the importance of teamwork would be sick
You can thank characters like Frieza, Moro, and the Heaters for Univers 7's low mortal level. Also just because the mortal level isn't connected to powerful individuals that doesn't mean they can't have them either. It's all conjecture based on logic that is based on fiction. The only thing their exemption from the first tournament did was guarantee that if they ever did decide to do another ToP they have already established 4 universes that they can create more characters from.
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Hey Carthu, did you notice the interesting similarities between Namekians and Yardratians. Like, both of these focus on spirit control and have similar abilities.
CALLMEARJ made a god tier fan fiction
The fact that Ribrian got more screen time than Hit in the anime was an absolute crime.
No make sense
Noooo not my boy hit
It would have been justifiable if the Kamikaze Fireballs put on a whole song and dance performance-- since that couldn't come across in a manga but could be fire in an anime. I am not sure why the chance was wasted-- could the anime studio find no idol group to voice them and create a song for them?
@@TheHobgoblynthey probably couldn't as much
It's bad writing in the Anime
Just from the thumbnail alone i was confused but i forgot, Belmod would've already stepped down as G.O.D with Toppo taking his place
Wait actually?
@@AkDaGoatYes
He'd probably be stripped of his God Ki, so I don't think he'd be that strong
@@xx.pluto2411 oh I never continued the top so I don't know
@@Zenkai-9kwhy though? if he achieved god ki with training like goku, vegeta, and toopo there’s no reason for him to lose it
I feel like Hit would train with Vados, with Champa sparring with him from time to time. Vados can rewind time among lord knows what else so it would work from that aspect. Plus them knowing Goku, Vegeta and Jiren among others are out there, would be the motivation.
plus he's a spectacular prodigy, able to quickly adapt and evolve, but more mature than the uni 6 saiyans. He would even make a good GoD candidate, what with his indifferent attitude and efficient methods.
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@@animeshortsdnb-qb7xfIsn't Gamma 2 dead?
@@DriptimusPrimeyes
Honestly, with the inclusion of orange piccolo we could see universe 6 namekians doing that than train it to later fuse together to push the power up past its limits so maybe the lowest to highest potential
could be just me but i think it'd be nice if frost got cooler's 5th form as it could not only be really cool looking but it would also make frost a bulkier and harder to move fighter
Yeah, that would differentiate him from Frieza way more.
@@Dancingsans I think cooler final form is like buff Frieza with extra layer of armor.
No Cooler's form is a genuine power up.
@@Memelord1117 Frieza buff form is also a genuine power up. Heck when Goku sends him to the sun his mask is shattered and shows us his first form face.
A shit character like frost doesn't deserve cooler's transformation
That ending with the Erased Universe’s rebelling against Zeno and the Grand Priest that Carthu was talking about has already been made into a great fan-manga called Dragon Ball Kakumei, UnRealEntGaming has it on his channel and the art and storytelling is actually beyond good
Oof, heard that the team’s going through some hard times, but are still trucking along.
Y’all are forgetting about DBUV by CALLMEARJ
@@QuiteUniversallyVegito That’s kinda guilty pleasure to me, great combat choreography, best to cool down on the 4th wall breaks and pop-culture references.
@@bensoncheung2801 what's going on with the team?
@@CHADCONTEXT Dunno, heard it from an UnrealEntGaming comment section reply post just before making that comment, shouldn’t be too hard to find, but that’s what he said.
Vegeta learning forced spirit fission is him finally saying “no more bullshit, we settle this with fists.”
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I think it’s out of character for Vegeta to separate Kefla. He’d rather fight her head on. Or anybody for for that matter. Moro was a special case because he was constantly absorbing energy from the earth and other people. That’s why we haven’t seen him use it since the Moro arc.
Well he really hasn't had to need to use it considering no one's powers or energy was getting stolen....
But he would use that technique as a last resort
oh he'd absolutely use it. while yelling and calling his opponent a filthy thief for daring to use power that is not their own.
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It kinda depends on how it's framed. If it's shown as taking shortcuts to surpass individual opponents, then sure, Vegeta splits them. If it's shown as an expansion on their natural teamwork and cooperation, I think Vegeta will tackle them head on
he hasn't used it since moro because there's been only one arc that he's been a main character of since moro and neither opponent in that arc was a fusion or stole energy
The next tournament of power seems to be Vegeta's time to shine with forced spirit fission he probably is the ace of Universe 7 this time which goes in hand with his Ultra Ego.
He would be able to shut down fusions with that, but in the OG ToP that would only have done anything about Kefla, those two Namekians, and Aniraza.
Eh I mean unless they just don’t allow him to use it somehow because it’s wayy to OP so I suspect there’s either going to be a rule preventing that or they just won’t let him use it at all
@@animeshortsdnb-qb7xf A bunch of people have said this. Did they just... stop watching the movie 3/4 of the way through?
lol spirit fission is not gonna make him the ace.
@@Random-hl2uqI highly doubt there would be a rule against that considering there was a rule against physical weapons but the way around that is that people were able to make energy weapons
The thing with Forced Spirit Fission is I don't think it works on beings without spirits. So, for Agnilaza, maybe he can be separated into Paparoni and Koichiarator, but no more. Also, after the ToP, Universe 3 could send interuniversal spies and develop something more like Cell or the Androids.
u forgot maji kayo universe 3 he could be good
Even with with force spirit fission I honestly see Vegeta using it only as a last resort because his Saiyan pride wouldn’t let him take such a easy way out unless he was all out of options
Yeah people forget that Vegeta wouldnt just let the chance to fight a fusion pass. He would be careful but not immediatly resort to weakening the enemy. There is also the point of reserving the technique as an trump card.
With Ultra Ego he gets stronger as the fight goes on, and stronger the more he believes he will win. Saving spirit fission as a trump card with Ultra Ego will make him absolutely unstoppable against fused opponents because he knows he is going to win.
Knowing Vegeta he would find a way to fuck up.
@@JP-eo8zwHe considers fusion cheating, as of the manga.
@@CompassRoseGaming Remember cell and 18? In a tournament where nobody can die he will let anyone fuse to gauge the higher power...
Kinda off topic but I feel like exploring the other universes would be a nice way to introduce characters that we already know but with a new look and history like Janemba,Tapion,Pikkon etc
lol, those characters belong to U7, exploring other universes aren't going to give us those characters. Other universes have their own characters many won't be relevant bc they're a downgrade in the enemy powerscaling. It's like jumping from the biggest thing in a lake then moving to the ocean just to focus on a clownfish doesn't make sense.
@@selfishbeats theres always a guy like you...
@@marcoantoniosampaiolaracam5057 a guy who’s right? Yeah.. non of these u7 characters are coming from other universes
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@@number4493 bruh I’d bodyslam you
That idea with the 6 previously erased Universes rebelling sounds extremely interesting! It wouldn’t really work though, as Zeno would just be able to erase them all again. Except if there was a force behind that rebellion which would delay or prevent the erasure.
I’ve always asked myself where the Grand Priest came from, and after reading about an extremely powerful Namekian who would be the “god of creation” of the multiverse I had come up with an idea:
At the start of multiverse, there were 5 primordial beings that came to be with it. One was destruction (Zeno), one was creation (that would be the Namekian) another would be Time, next is Order (which I personally think is the Grand Priest, as he does practically everything for the Omni King) but the last one is the most interesting.
I named that one Entropy, born to be everything and nothing, something which’s presence creates chaos and provokes change.
There was a fight between these primordial beings, as the others tried containing Entropy so as to prevent the complete disorder it would surely bring. Being split up with the creation of the universes, it would be completely locked away with parts of it being destroyed by Zeno. But bringing back those 6 universes might awaken it.
could time be chronoa?
@projekttaku1753 She would be the best pick for time, I didn’t even think of that!
There's actually a fan manga called Dragon Ball Kakumei that has a really interesting approach to that theory. I definitely recommend checking it out
@@tailstornado1622 I’ll certainly do!
@@Yubier223 Aeos would be most likely since she was before Chronoa?
Toppo punching Frieza with a Tom Cat scream was funny and so disrespectful 😅
Am i the only one laughing at belmods face he looks like if ussop and buggy did the fusion dance
you did NOT need to violate belmond like that 😭
That distinction about mortal levels at the start was very needed. I've seen too many people who think that U1, 12, 5 and 8 must be stronger just because they didn't have to compete in the tournament.
This video is pretty much
“So this is proof universe 7 wins the top 2 ☠️ “
I see what Carthu did with Belmod since toppo is gonna be the next God Of Destruction. I’m so excited to watch this
Edit after : I personally think that Vegeta is the most useful fighter in universe 7
And we could finally see how the retirement of a God of Destruction is like.
nah bro its MONACA
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I would rather have a different approach like imagine zeno suggesting that only new warriors from each universes will be permitted in the tournament just imagine
Trunks, goten, ( adults) yamcha, gamma 1 , gamma 2 etc competing
Vs new fighters all around
Toppo is very uninteresting
But there's one thing that there is still left to consider: prep time. Every universe only had so much time to find mortals that could compete in T.O.P. That increases with significance when you take into consideration the size of each universe (which is massive). With a lot more time, the gods of each universe could find, and train, better mortals than they did before.
I could see Freeza trying to recruit people from the other universes like 13-18. Because of his interest in controlling Broly, but failing to find him, could lead him to resort to finding other powerful warriors in other universes and enlisting their help.
Until it’s actually confirmed, I’m pretty sure those 6 universes are still erased
But frieza is black now
Can’t wait to see vegeta ultra ego
I'm pretty hype to see some more Gohan Beast action, maybe have it be the "Ultra Instinct" moment of the second tournament
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The thumbnail in my head: 🥶🤡🌳
Something that would be interesting wold be learning about a hipotheticall U6 Buu. I mean, U6 and U7 are twin universes after all.
Yeah, u6 villains such as alt. Cell, buu, etc. could be pretty cool
Wasn’t buu on earth witch got erased
@@MrVoyeurific and was bought back by Beerus
@@SenkingFar buu and cell were created, unless they have an almost exactly same time line as universe 7 it can't happen
@@JarethCruz-vc6zc if they had a sort of alt timeline rr I could see cell and maybe androids. Buu I feel like could also have some sort of alternative. Since freeza, broly, etc have alternatives, I don’t think it’s crazy.
I can simply say I love your videos and commentary
I think spirit fission would work on piccolo , but only for defusing nail , as piccolo and kami were originally one being
Here's a few ideas
1) zeno probably won't make the same stipulations, meaning they won't make the losing universes disappear. So assuming the universes 13-18 are not actually brought back due to too much time passing already (which I believe was a point made in early dbz when trying to revive people with the dragon balls) zeno can make a tournament between universe 7 and the others that did not have to compete leaving out the others that already competed. Making the prize a wish again, but giving each universe their own reason for absolutely needing to gain that wish.
2) universe 2 now that they know their androids weaknesses takes inspiration from 17 and 18. They train a fighter, or fighters, modify them as androids but somehow use God energy or even angle energy to create them making the one fighter or a team of fighters as strong or close to that of a god of destruction. This could make one of the fighters go mad from the power creating a universal threat that other universe's end up teaming up to defeat. Making them the universe to worry about.
3) universe 6 becomes unstoppable because champa in order to beat beerus takes in and trains the saying personally along with frost. An idea I like is Champa finds a place like freeza did similar to the hyperbolic time chamber and allows them all to jump in power. I would like to see caulifa and cabba reach ssjb. Kale evolves her rage form to match broly's. Frost to reach gold at least (or the same level as gold, whatever color he uses). The namikins do some ancient training after the tournament now they have time, something that helps their power to grow so they both at least can match piccolo. Maybe replacing some members now they have more time to look for strong fighters, and their trump card would be hit. For him he explores his time power, but instead of rewinding time, he is able to cast a fastfoward on people, with limits like maybe only one person or 2 to 3 people at a time so that the person will gain the potential power he would have had in the future if he kept growing at the speed their bodies are use to. This would take a toll on hit, but someone like caulifla could potentially reach vageta ultra ego form this way and cabba could reach higher levels then ssjb2 and frost could reach freeza black or platinum form.
Just a few ideas, let me know if any of these are good ones.
I would think frost would opposite the forms. Like for example frieza's newest form is black so he would be white
The thing with the time rule and dragon balls, super dragon balls cna grant anything, so I reckon even millions/billions of years ago when they were erased, they can still be brought back
@@xenym2674 true, I didn't think about that.
@@IVIOLATERULES Wouldn't white Frost look even more like base Frieza
Umm why bro wrot an 1000 word asei😭
It's cool to See Frost getting some shine in the Thumbnail
That ain’t frost that’s Freeza 💀
@@SirSolar.that’s obviously silver frost, like a parallel to golden frieza
@@Not_Luke_5 shoot I don’t even know anymore 💀💀💀 we will just have to wait till the video comes out
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Something I've considered regarding a second tournament that includes the previously erased universes 13-18 is that there could be an interesting rule change for the second tournament: Universes doubling up as larger teams. This could mean for example that instead of being enemies again, Universe 6 ends up becoming Universe 7's allies since they are pair universes.
Another thing to consider is that the teams might not be the same. Some universes might introduce new characters who have managed to grow stronger than the characters they've replaced since the last tournament, and some familiar characters such as Jiren may simply decide to drop out, forcing someone else to take their place. Keep in mind that in Jiren's case, the only reason he entered to begin with was because he wanted the wish for selfish reasons. He has moved on from that selfish desire, so the only reason he would return would be for the sake of teamwork. That depends strongly in how far along he's come in regards to that character arc however, and he may simply still see his universe ending as its natural fate should it fail to be defended, or he could be unconcerned with losing due to believing the same wish as last time would come to pass again. Take also into consideration if the doubled up teams idea comes to pass, which could trim down the number of fighters from each universe in half anyway.
Loved the video, so worth the wait 🐐
Something I always thought about would be the G.O.D. and Angels taking initiative to get their mortals on the same level as the ones from universe 7. Since each universe has These gods it seems reasonable that they could train their fighters in a similar that whis did with Goku and Vegeta, or how the Kai's Trained gohan for a mystic form. Meaning by the next T.O.P. we could see other universes have fighters with God Ki, or even with their own version of Ultra Instict or Ultra Ego (Imagine Ultra Ego Toppo, Ultra Instict Dyspo, And Potential Unlocked Jiren).
7:53 still the meanest gut punch I’ve seen to this day. Just right beside Moros
You know who might improve much it is hit.he can improve his time skip so it makes me wonder what he can do in the next t.o.p
If there is another tournament of power I hope the creators reveal who are the warriors of universe 1,5,8 and 12.
The Next Tournament of Power: The Other Universes
The Next Tournament of Power: The Other Universes
The Next Tournament of Power: The Other Universes
The Next Tournament of Power: The Other Universes
The Next Tournament of Power: The Other Universes
The Next Tournament of Power: The Other Universes
If there's ever a new Tournament of Power, I think they should switch up the format. Maybe instead of a battle royale it can be team matches. You could either split each universe in teams of two, or the more fun option, mix them for some fun character interactions.
4:37 - Yes officer, that's the one right there. 😂
kakumei style approach is the best thing that can happen to dragon ball right now, I think they should finish the black frieza saga and inmediately show the other universes to show a multiverse war, kinda like what they did In Kakumei, and then maybe go to diferent timelines like dragon ball super heroes. But kakumei is honestly the way to go, not only because of theyre amazing drawing style but the story is so clean, even with all the filler.
10:37 hello, may i introduce you to dragon ball Kakumei?
Platinum frost would be sick tbh
I wonder if Vegeta would even use Forced Spirit Fission, with his pride and all. I can see him not using it to make a fight more interesting (or maybe because the T.O.P. is about survival, he wouldn't use it to let his opponents have a better fighting chance). However, I can also see him using it and telling his opponents that they should fight him using their own strength. 🤔
Out of all the universes I’m most excited to see universe 6. I do think cabba will definitely peruse god ki, but I would want to see caulifla take a different approach to growing stronger. As for universes 13-16 I do want to see them comeback and cause a ruckus similar to the buu saga, but I think it’s unlikely. A issue with the previous tournament of power was us getting to see all of these different characters but not have the time to get to know them. So if the previously erased universes do return I’d like for us to see more of the other universes and learn more about the inhabitants of them first.
SO glad Carthu explained mortal levels
It really runs dull when someone spews out about how these universes were left out because of their high mortal levels and how strong they could be when in reality mortal levels being a measurement of quality of life means less violent god-level threats and would therefore lead to softer and squishier mortals that never needed to get strong and fight
4:25 i think its the best way to introduce ssj 4 as canon if universe 6 would be the one to unlock it we even seen Broly ssj4 in Heroes
10:40 so basically dragon ball kakumei
Man I would be really curious about how strong the other universe would be in the next TOP, especially U6 and U11. 🤔 But ah man, I really like the idea of U13-U18 interrupting the TOP to rebel against the Zeno, and the different universe have choose which side they are on. 😁
Having Jimizu be the main threat making use of countless crazy techniques that completely mixes up battles would be great.
12:50 i’m pretty sure that’s just a fan manga called dragon ball kakumei (I think, might be remembering wrong)
Hey carthu! Amazing work Like always by the way, I Really do wish if Toyotaro And Toriyama create A second tournament of power, bringing back the missing universes 13 through 18, It would be just like The Hit fan manga of dragon ball "kakumei"
I think frieza defecting to a different universe or maybe one of the unseen universes viewing the other universes as inferior and wanting to wish them away would set up a good antagonistic force
I'd love if there was a Universe 6 arc before the next tournament of power, where Goku and Vegeta (or Vegeta alone) go to planet Sadala at the request of Cabba due to some new villain™, I really love the Cabba and Vegeta student-teacher relationship and would like to see it explored more thoroughly and plus it would be interesting if Vegeta meets King Sadala - who was said to be the similar to Vegeta.
What would be even more interesting is if a universe other than Universe 7 wins the tournament. If we assume that
1. There was no universe erasure for the lost universes
2. The super dragon balls were still the winning prize
3. If universe 6 won with Cabba being the last man standing, him wishing that Planet Vegeta is revived with all its inhabitants as thanks for Vegeta helping him (Vegeta will tell him afterwards that it was not something he was interested in in the first place, but it would be a very interesting arc to see Vegeta contend with everything he went through and how he changed, and how he sends this message to his people)
But I don't know, this is all just what I want to happen, I think if it does happen it will have to be the Vegeta show for a while which I have no problem with
10:11 nah bro I saw that 💀
Saw what?
I'm a bit late to the comments, but anyway... if you see this, a 'what if' idea I have been thinking about is; 'What if Goku focused more on techniques then transformations' so like... perfecting the spirit bomb and kaioken, learning forced spirit fission in addition to instant transmission, adding the stardust breaker to his main attacks, etc. I just think it would be interesting to see a version of Goku that wins fights by clever usage of the tools at his disposal instead of through overcoming his limits.
Omg the tournament getting interrupted would be soooo fire 😭
DRAKE OILED UP SMASHING KENDRICK LAMAR AND SCOOBY DOO HE THEN ENDS UP PREGNANCY
DRAKE: OH SCOOBY YOUR DOOING ME SO WELL I THINK IM PREGNANT
: KENDRICK LET ME GET SONE OF THAT UHG
THEY SMASHED FOR 3 hours straight
Can you make a playlist of all of your videos like this? I like listening to these but without a playlist I will be watching a video about beast gohan and then hear a what if about gohan.
I can see pimon ( I forgot how to say he’s name) would probably get offered and be like “no more fighting for me im retired”
DBZ Universal War Arc would go crazy 🔥
Carthu, I get how Forced Spirit Fission negs most fusion characters, but how de-fusing the Universe 6 namekians be officiated? Would Universe 6 be disqualified, or would the team that de-fused them be disqualified? I imagine the former, but the context of fuzed namekians feels way different considering their fusions are more like absorbtions and meant to be permanent. EDIT: I say "disqualified" because of the max allowed team members
A fun twist I have for Hit, make him a God of Creation. He's creating time in himself giving the outward relative perspective it would look like he was stopping time. This could open up so many options for him and give us another type of God to see fight, a bit of an irony being a professional killer.
YOUR GENIUS
aslo i would LOVE to see more unique fighters added to the set which it could attract more people to the show
Honestly that idea of the dead universes sounds absolutely dope and I wonder what angles would come from them
I think it'd be pretty smart to have most of universe 7 be eliminated and have Goku be forced to team up with another universe to ensure they aren't all wiped off the map by another malicious universe (Potentially 15-18 like you mentioned)
The problem is.....how would that happen if most of the fighters surppased Jiren?
Goku
Vegeta
Gohan
Granolah
Piccolo(Not really)
Frieza
Broly
And than there is some others like BUU,17 and Merus who we don't know if he still have UI
@@ziadzedo They surpassed Jiren from the TOP arc, but we don't know how strong the current Jiren is who might be able to even fight Black Frieza for all we know
@@ziadzedo that's pre jiren
Second plus you taught me everything I know about dragon ball thank you!
You saw my coment
Can't wait!
Yea
It’ll probably be more like a proper tournament too with bracket systems and all that they could draw it out longer and speed it up with team matches where the final 3 or 4 members team up and try to defeat another team
It would be awesome to show a rebellion arc
Something to note, as much as I understand that Vegeta has an ability to shut X,Y,Z down. He cant be everywhere at once. Plus lets say Kefla gets a rematch with Goku, he wouldnt want Vegeta to weaken his opponent. Which would be great if it led to him losing to Kefla. Showing how much stronger they have gotten, and making the score 1-1
What if they gave frost cooler's 5th form bringing that into canon like how they brought the legendary super saiyan in with kale
I always liked that idea.
There's so much potential in the idea of the other universes teams for an hypothetical ToP 2.
Of course I'd love some character development for all of them, both from the past ToP but also from maybe some new arcs based in their universes if we are lucky.
Anyway, from each universe I'd love to see:
- From U2 I'd love new transformations for Ribrianne and her friends (maybe even the three guys that got them in the anime) that mimic other magical girls tropes. I also want an explaination for why there are a Yardratian and a Tuffle in there and some new powerups for them as you said.
- From U3 I'd love new modifications for their fighters based on what they learned from our androids in order to cook up some Cell Max level thing. I wouldn't mind even some new very smart and logical fighter. Also some info about Maji Kayo being U3 version of Buu(?)
- From U4 I'd love to see more tricksters being properly utilized, give me more things like Shantsa, Damos and Gamisaras.
- From U6 there is so much I'd love, like a more powerfull time-bending Hit, Platinum Frost, SSJ3 sayans (with controlled Kale), something interesting with Botamo and Magetta and finally I want a Moro-level Dr Rota!
- From U9 I really want more of the Trio de Dangers, give them a new powerup and nee techniques like the ones they showed in the exhibition match.
- From U10 well there really isn't much I want to see from them outside of a couple of them, but remember that they betted everything on brute strength last time, so this time they could go for a completely different team or strategy.
- From U11, as you said, I'd love a more powerful Dyspo and Jiren and Belmond replacing Toppo, but I also would love to see more teamwork tactics from the other Pride Troopers like in the manga when they almost defeated Kale despite being much weaker.
6:27 The goated Universe 10 members can train with Kusu. She is the strongest angel other than the Grand Priest, I think.
I swear there’s gonna be some thing like ‘if the fusion is overwhelmingly stronger then forced spirit fission doesn’t work’ just to make fusion be relevant again lol
I think the power of the mortals and the other universes that didn't have to participate is somewhat of a factor. I think in the manga it's either the Grand Priest or someone who says that Zeno was happy that the lower level universes could produce strong mortals like Goku and Toppo I believe. That could be off on who it was they were talking about but it was something along those lines. So it may be SOMEWHAT of a factor.
True, two universes literally stepped down because they fought it would be unfair to the other universes. Its so crazy to think about it. Also, there are the other universes that might come back, like what if the reason some of them were erased was because they were really powerful and tried to rebel agaisnt the gods?
@@JP-eo8zwno their wasn't idk where tf you got that 2 universes stepped down from
@@billy75chook80 Yes, its actually 4 universes that were spared from the tournament
10:50 "maybe thats too fan fiction sounding to happen"
Bro jinxed the world and now ultimate chaos is definitely gonna happen
it’s already fan manga called dragon ball kakumei, he didn’t jinx it
I was faster than you
Frieza: frost how did you get that power?
Frost: by surviving the worst batman and robin!
Frieza: oh god!!!!!
Frost better watch his back before Granolah come from him.
@@darnelljones1918 really cause I think he will rather see a idioticly frost will be eliminated
6:40 the only thing I can think of to make them better is that Rumshi said he specifically got only the strongest fighters from the universe, and basically that fancy techniques are fine, but raw strength is what counts (weirdly similar to what Roshi said at the end of the 21 tenkaichi budokai) but Gowasu just went with the team that Rumshi chose, but this time around the change I can see happening is Gowasu actually helping build a new team and finding more members with more technical fighting skill or special techniques, like Oboni had.
Bro just described Kakumei at the end there
I like how one of the silhouettes of the "deleted" universes' fighters looks like *Jar Jar Binks* lol
Good Video
Glad you enjoyed
@@CarthusDojo oren and kami need to be Canon
it would be so cool to just have an entire arc or hell even movie dedicated to one of the universes
like imagine a movie about how the universe 6 characters have to fight some world ending threat
no goku or universe 7
just them
also its crazy how vegeta counters like half of the actual threats
which makes me wonder how they would adjust him
You know, i'd always imagine a scenario where a new tournament of power would happen-
But like you said- It could get interrupted any time since my main suspect for a troublemaker would be black frieza, as cringey as this may sound.
A scenario where the self-proclaimed Emperor would try his second chance at taking the super dragon balls for himself wouldn't be unrealistic,
frieza does want to surpass beerus after all..
With his newly trained power and form he could easily be tolerated into the tournament as Zeno would be easily entertained,
who knows.. The end of this tournament might be something else than Jiren for a final boss..
Just seeing a skilled assassin like Hit talking or fighting alongside Granohla would be awesome.
Along with Broly laying a smackdown on Jiren
Tbh Carthu, when you said that the next T.O.P could be interrupted, I had a short thought that it could be black frieza basically taking on all of the people participating in the tournament of power
Yesirrrr I'm exited carthu😊
Given the bigger power potential in certain universes compared to others, I could imagine they’d limit a future ToP to 4 universes, as that would allow for tighter development and a slower run time, both many complained the first ToP lacked.
Due to the current listing on mortal levels, it might not be consistent, but including Universes 2, 6, 7 and 11 feels like the best choice.
7:10 That's not what the image you showed portrays; they are two different words that are spelt differently, like how "Kami" in japanese is how you say "Paper" and "God". If you look at the closed captions (as the person in the tweet did) or were reading the manga you'd be able to tell if the intention is "Lightspeed" or "Highspeed". I bring this up because while this may create confusion, it's not a matter of vauge writer interpretation, it's just as simple as checking the source for the spelling of the word.
Nah, we need universe 6 Saiyan's to get SS4
All characters that can move at or faster than instant transmission always need and use a technique Granola uses versus unnamed techniques to move faster than instant transmission and he literally says that which you haven’t paid attention to for some reason
That idea with the 6 previously erased Universes rebelling sounds extremely interesting! It wouldn’t really work though, as Zeno would just be able to erase them all again.
could just invent a technique that lets em unerase themselves and let the power creep continue
I swear man, i would actually have made the wish to revive everyone but universe two. Those people deserved what came to them
Can’t wait for Black Frieza to be one hit by Beast Gohan then get resurrected, train for 2 days, and then turn into Super duper xzy black Frieza who one hits Gohan and then Goku turns into Super double fudge sundae kioken x40000 yellow blue ultra blue instinct xVegito-Gogeta.
It’s going to be so cool
Plz make big what if plz there were super details and entertaining
Say Carthu I got a question for you.
What do you think would have happened if Goku got his potential unlock by Guru back in the Freeza arc?
Mentioned the plot of dragon ball kakumei and thought we wouldn’t notice
10:08 why is toryama’s eye spark so creepy for some reason
That last theory is literally the fan manga Dragon ball kakumei and it would be awesome to see!!
This is a very Good video
Nice vid!
As usual your videos are insightful as always, but only one small query I have and that is the 6 previous universes retuning. As much as it would be so sick to have them return in the manga it was straightforward that it was only the 12 universes that came back nth more you could reread that manga T.O.P ending just to be safe
8:47 what is the angel on the top doing? 🤨
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It would be cool to see the lower universes versus the higher 4, the higher universes would need more people per universe to make it fair, but seeing jiren and goku fighting together now that jiren knows the importance of teamwork would be sick
You can thank characters like Frieza, Moro, and the Heaters for Univers 7's low mortal level. Also just because the mortal level isn't connected to powerful individuals that doesn't mean they can't have them either. It's all conjecture based on logic that is based on fiction. The only thing their exemption from the first tournament did was guarantee that if they ever did decide to do another ToP they have already established 4 universes that they can create more characters from.
You have a great idea at the end, Carthu. I don't really see it happening in the main canon. Maybe Heroes or something.
man just described dragon ball kakumei at the end..