You have to remember that in this timeline, Gohan never got any more training beyond what he received from Piccolo and the power boost from Namek. Then, every fighter he knew died. He grew up woefully inadequate to face the androids, so instead, focused largely on trying to save people rather than fighting the androids head on. I'm sure he tried to train himself in his spare time, but that can only do so much. I expect his strategy was to keep training himself in secret until he was powerful enough to defeat both of them, but that probably would've taken many more years.
Yeah the androids were just keeping Gohan around as he was the only one who was able to keep them entertained when it comes to combat. Gohan uses that opportunity to get some experience but not a lot of training since he usually ends up getting beat up. Which is useful for him for a zenkai boost specially when there isn't enough ways for him to full heal up every fight. This Gohan is not even comparable to the High School Gohan and definitely not the current Gohan who's smart, very experienced, and well trained. But he's got spirit and tries to save innocent people. While current Gohan is a lot of relaxed since he knows Goku and Vegita are there, he only really gets into fights if his family is in danger.
This kind of indirectly shows the intelligence and fight IQ that Goku had because he was the first one to figure out the perfect strategy to progress beyond a Super Saiyan, and he did this without any information or mentor. Shows how crucial he was for the future timeline. If he had not died, even without a warning from a future warrior, he would have been able to figure out the way to beat the Androids and then Cell
the fact that Gohan went from being a match 1v1 to almost being able to 2v1 from his Zenkai boost if he could've just controlled himself a bit longer and trained a bit more he probably could've won by himself
Its amazing how 17 getting stalmated by piccolo, humbling him, and 18 falling in love with Krillin giving her something to focus on, changed their future self so much.
I don't know, like Krillin points out 17 and 18 from the future seemed heartless right from the start as they killed everyone right away but in the main timeline they just beat them up first then left. Not sure what caused the personality change but again they did seem less evil in the present.
@@digitaladventurer2142 Gero had more time to work on the androids in Trunks' timeline because no one was there to stop him and 19 when they first appeared. Note that 17 and 18 are following their programming with the whole 'world domination' thing, even if they claim they are doing it for fun, so it can be surmised that Gero was able to control them just a smidge better, but not enough to spare him from their whims.
@@Elzzaw That sounds alright, but it also sounds like in that time he got them in far more torture than they had been through in our timeline, since that usually turns people into sociopaths
As for how he survived, I think they just blasted him and assumed he was dead and left. They didn't try to double tap him. The androids just see him as a toy to play around with rather than fighting seriously against. He is no threat to them so they just use him as entertainment.
Also, they can't sense energy. If he got stuck under rubble or something after the blast and if they couldn't see him, they might genuinely not have been able to find him. Ultimately, though, it is kind of a plot hole, that requires some reaching for an explanation.
Kikuchi tracks are so good, well they're the one i grew up listening to, i grew up watching dub from my country its wasn't english obviously so the original JP tracks were the one used, but where it was airing stopped right away after Namek arc, so i played some DB games and after that watched the anime sub and this music is so nice Kikuchi done great job, Falconer also got good music like the Majin Vegeta transformation ost slaps, but im more into JP Dragon Ball
Future Trunks was incredibly impressive when you consider he didn’t train much or at all with goku and he was still able to fight both androids at once while he would lose the 2 on 1s he would still hold is own and always risked his life in hopes of putting an end to their terror
this is why i Love Future gohan. He doesn't fool around like the usual gohan, he doesn't care if he's unmatched, he has no fear, even with one arm to four. this could have turned out very differently if toriyama stopped having goku speak to others through king kai, which could have helped from literally telling him about the hyperbolic time chamber, or haiving king kai talkm to the namekians on namek and make a wish there, etc.
I saw this on TV when I was just a kid, maybe 11 or 12? It literally changed my mind about DBZ it made me realize how serious the show could be and that it wasn't just about the action.
I really like how in Xenoverse 2, trunks was basically risking a more massive timeline screw up to save future gohan. And then future gohan is like "no, we cant do this trunks. I gotta fight them". It was nice seeing Trunks interact with Gohan and vice versa
Well i mean the thing with gohan was he was actually giving them a hard time so they werent holding back as for trunks they were basically toying with him,wo like they lower theyre powerlevel to toy and kill earthlings they prob lowered it a bit for trunks and didnt go all out whereas they were sick and tired of gohan and needed him dead
I really think you’d both enjoy a play through of Dragon Ball Z Kakarot for your gaming channel. And one of the DLC covers the events of History of Trunks.
The score by the late Shunsuke Kikuchi does have that old-school Japanese action movie flair. (He also did the score for the old Gamera movies.) It is weird, though, that they didn't restore the opening theme, "CHA-LA HEAD CHA-LA", for this version (using the extremely generic 2000s dub opening) when they used the rest of the Japanese soundtrack (including "Aoi Kaze no HOPE" for the end credits). I guess it's a weird licensing issue.
I'm glad you guys finally watched the real version! ABRIDGED is fun, but I always say the original is worth watching. Would be fun to see you guys react to certain clips like "Goku Turns Super Saiyan DBZ Kai" and things like that, get a good taste of the original dub while also not committing to watching the full series, as I'm sure you wouldn't wanna do that.
@@TheCryptofHorrors-DerCryptaxis no bruh 💀 that shit is cut out for a reason because it causes the story to drag (even more than it already does) Just because you are blinded by nostalgia doesn't mean that original Z was inherently good.
@@resonabledemon That doesn't mean Abriged is good or better, if anything ever deserved the copyright book thrown at it's those guys, like legit Jailtime.
@@resonabledemon Kai is better overall in a lot of places, I did miss some of the Villain-centered filler episodes but the streamlining in Kai is worth it.
The background music in this is the original soundtrack composed by the legendary Shunsuke Kikuchi! If you guys get around to OG Dragon Ball, you'll be hearing his music a lot. It's pretty great.
I was first wondering why you were doing this. But realised this is actually very important for Super next. So it's very good to get the proper version of History of trunks at the very least
28:30 Number 18 (and all the androids besides No. 8) have murdered untold numbers of children. They *really* don't care. ☠ The joke in DBZA was that literally none of us know how he survived. 😂
It’s something about the Future Android 17 and 18 I always liked as villains. I like Frieza who is an entitled Space Emperor, Buu who is made to be pure evil, or Vegeta who’s bloodline was run by conquering and destroying planets which he himself started doing, it’s something about how nonchalant, childish, petty and self indulging the Androids were, and how they hate humans. Likely because after being turned into cyborgs by Gero, they weren’t complete and while they do deem themselves as androids, they still had some human consciousness in them, but are probably just vengeful because of what happened to them since before they were just normal delinquents.
Man, I love this movie. Yes, Dragon Ball has always been super lighthearted and gradually builds up into high stakes death battles, but since this is a short movie from an apocalyptic future I guess it was kinda of hard to pull it off, but I've always enjoyed it. The TFS guys did an amazing job at balancing tension/jokes in their version, but I'm sure you've already checked that out. Can't wait to start the "Black Arc" 😀🍿
I don't know if it's been discussed yet, but I really think that once you guys are done with super, you should go back to the 80s and watch the OG Dragon Ball. It's such a fun show and I think you'd both adore watching Goku grow up.
I know Gohan going after the Andriods alone wasn't the smartest idea. However, we should remember that Earth's dragon balls are gone in this timeline & they have no idea where New Namek is, meaning there's no bringing people back. Gohan knows that and wants to prevent as much casualties as possible. Even if he's playing "the long game" by training Trunks, he won't ignore any innocent people in need of help.
Fun Fact: Since Bethany said Trunks works as a redhead? In the spin-off timeline Dragon Ball Heroes (which mainly exists to sell what-if versions of the characters) Future Trunks does in fact become Super Sayan God. And yes, he is a redhead when using it.
Honestly seeing this made me really appreciate the abridged version. Those boys really know how to score a scene. Music in this is just super distracting
Gohan didn't learn Super Saiyan as early in this time line as he did in the 1 in ours Trunks also learns to be Super Saiyan as a lil kid in the Buu saga and Trunks had learned SS at 13 in this story than the last fight was 3 years later so he had been practicing for 3 years
The soundtrack is from the original japanese version, it's superb. To be honest I think the US is the only country where DBZ has a different soundtrack, not to diminish the music work of Bruce Faulconer his music is amazing
The androids are teens themselves, so they're reckless and don't pay that much attention on who they kill or don't sometimes lol. My theory may be that they over estimated themselves because gohan could've taken them on one at a time but they double teamed him. When they fought trunks they underestimated trunks and only 18 "finished" him off. Which i think 18 might be the weaker of the two. So that's why I think trunks was able to survive.
Trunks survived out of sheer luck. In think the DLC for DBZ Kakarot did a better job showing how Trunks survived, with the Androids simply walking away after Trunks lost consciousness. They spared Trunks because he was the only one capable of challenging them, they kept him as “entertainment”. It was the same reason why they’d let Gohan escape until they got bored of him.
2 things that make this the saddest DBZ movie of all time, there are no Dragon balls in this reality and Trunks can't change the current reality he's in even if he uses the time machine everyone is dead and there is no changing that.
I would really recommend reacting to all the cutscenes (or at least the cinematic cutscenes) to dragon ball z kakarot, or just the history of trunks dlc since it’s shorter. It gives a lot of respect to the original series, definitely worthwhile
I think Trunks was able to survive while Gohan wasn't because there was an arm of difference between the two... All jokes aside though, he's Vegeta's son. Having watched the Buu saga, when he was buying Goku time for the spirit bomb, you both know how much of a beating that man can take. Probably runs in the family.
Somthing to note, alot of the movies dubs had different music. The music you are hearing is the original music but the Credits has such artists as "Bootsy Colin and BucketHead" or "Dream theatre" these are proper bands and you may know Dream Theatre and so its wild to hear such bands playing during Dragon ball movies, also Bootsy Colin is an old 70s funk artist which got his own radio channel on GTA 5 with a few of his song on there.
If y’all watching the real versions of DBZ Movies, I would recommend watching the original Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan. To know Broly was more than just saying “Kakorot” than in the Second Movie
Rewatching this story was an intresting paralell to the presnt time gohan. Future gohan lost to the androids with both hands and one hand. Present gohan as super sayian 2 beat perfect cell with two hands and one hand.
Best guess is that maybe Age Difference might be a thing on how much Punishment & Beatings Half Saiyans can take or handle to an extent. Just a random guess.
In this special, they really made it seem like Gohan could 1v1 a single twin and he only got overwhelmed when both fought in sync. He did overpower BOTH of them in a beam struggle. On the other hand, his manga counterpart went out like a punk and died off panel right after 17 told him he wasn't even using half of his power in their previous encounter. Gohan said he trained so he won't be beat, meaning he's stronger than his two armed self, but still, that's a lot of work for one arm. Heck, in the manga, Gohan said that he wears his father's clothes with hopes it would make him as strong as him, but its not that easy, implying that Gohan wasn't even as strong as Goku when he came back home after Trunks killed Mecha Frieza. Bulma said Trunks wasn't amazingly different from Gohan, putting Trunks just marginally above him. Gohan was a Super Saiyan for 13 years, but since he had no training partners or knew about the time chamber, his power did not grow that much. When Gohan asked "What would your father do?" I thought: He would give the senzu bean to his enemy to make it fair 😅... which was the right call in that situation because if an exhausted Cell fought Gohan, he might've gotten desperate and powered up to 100% and killed him before Gohan could unleash Super Saiyan 2.
Trunks didnt fought 17 and 18 right after getting Super Saiyan, it was implied that at least 2 years passed, Trunks was training during that time, at least in japanese and latin spanish Bulma said that Trunks was stronger than Gohan but not that much
I feel like Bethany needs an explanation on how certain aspects of the power system works. So buckle up. The super saiyan transformation (SSJ1) is a 50× multiplier of base form/their normal form. Therefore the stronger you are in base form, the more power there is to be multiplied. As you saw in the Buu saga, Trunks was born with more potential than Gohan (side note: half breed saiyans have more potential than full blooded saiyans). So obviously Trunks would probably get stronger in less time. Not to mention the fact that Gohan had to Train himself since everyone died when he was 10, however in the new Timeline(the one we follow into Dragon Ball Super) Gohan was trained by Goku for a total of 4 years and was able to go from 3rd form frieza level to being the strongest character at the end of Cell Saga. And this also applies to Trunks because when training Vegeta he went from getting dog walked by the androids in his time (who are weaker than the ones that the main cast have to face) to Being stronger than Cell's 2nd form. So yes Trunks was indeed Stronger than Gohan, he was trained by Gohan Therefore he got stronger in his base form faster.
Tbh, now that you've been watching more modernly dubbed Dragon Ball content like Kai and Super, specials and movies like these would be more sensible to watch subbed in Japanese, since these were dubbed at a time when FUNi wasn't dubbing things as accurately as they have since Kai--you at least get the gist, but they do add unneeded dialogue/fluff and some lines get changed up. It is cool they did put this out with the original score, though odd they didn't include Cha-la for the opening... (likely legal issues as mentioned) Looking forward to watching this subbed in my Japanese rewatch, since I haven't seen it in ages and I do have the DBZA version stuck in my head, lmao. That said, this special was always cool for establishing Trunks's backstory before he goes back to warn everyone of what he's seen, and it also definitely helps offer background for the next Super arc. Fun watch!
This is why not a fan of any fan service abridge stuff. Its funny to some people but I do think it takes away from original if this is first time experiencing. Dragon Ball Z is know for 3 things, fun fighting, epic moments and sad moments. Because every fight is still treated seriously, the fact that Goku is killed in 2nd episode sets the tone. And the main villain Piccolo at time is still standing is actually pretty rare and cool. It eventually becomes meta around Buu Saga but before that it wasn't treated as campy. I don't think abridge stuff is bad even if I am not fan but do think for original source to get most out of both is watching OG than appreciating silly stuff after.
To answer the Gohan and Trunks power difference, it’s probably because Gohan was forced to appear strong to not make anyone lose hope hurting his strength over all. Also Trunks had 3 years to master super Saiyan Also also I love your vids 💕
this really makes you think how things would have gone if they teamed up in main timeline too, maybe krilin would have survived, even thou i think he'd have fought too if everyone was dying, like in trunks timeline. So only goku alive (or maybe not, he survived thanks to piccolo fighting them
A few points to make here: Super Saiyan Gohan was arguably stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks, but Trunks didn't face the Androids until 3 years after he first transformed. Relatively speaking, Trunks was more prepared in fighting the Androids than Gohan, as he trained under Gohan and potentially self-trained for 3 years while Gohan had only self-trained since Goku's death. Plot is the only explanation for how Trunks survived that last attack, though. No other explanation was given.😂
The problem with trunks in dbs is that he relias on others to help him meanwhile dbz trunks always pushed him self to the edge and a lot of people say they mascard trunks in dbs but I think is that the resources on future trunks timeline are so limited that they are eating cat food when you workout a lot you need a lot of calories to balance out the body but trunks doesn't have that much water or food supply 😢so he can't be buff so it makes sense thear is a dark fact of the future timeline that says when future Gohan was around humanity still remanded but when he died the amount of population that was wiped out was a lot future Gohan was always fighting them not letting them kill more people and the reason trunks was crying at the end of super was that he knew that his death ment nothing and he is still a wekling and he has not approved
i guess trunks survived, first because he is younger, and second, his psychological wear and tear for years as Gohan has been fighting non-stop, and always losing for many years, that wears you down psychologically, plus Gohan is someone who likes to be quiet and study, he doesn't have a fighter's mind like Goku, that makes that the training that Gohan was doing, did not make so much effect, instead trunks fights because he wants to protect people, that is his fuel and his mentality, that helps him to train and be focused, Gohan wants to destroy the androids did not know how, and that also made his super Saiyan was stagnant and could not increase its power.
Just wondering if you would be interested in watching regular Dragonball once you are done with super. It could be like watching a prequel (even though it came out first)
Why do i think that future Gohan death scream semplice that he wasn't tough at all 😢 meaning he was weak because 18 say's hes tough he probably wouldn't yell
Yeah I didn’t understand how they couldn’t just have king Kai communicate with Gohan thru with Goku and have Bulma build a space machine with her dad or something and have trunks and gohan travel to find New Namek and ask them to use the dragons ball to wish Piccolo back again at least then have them wished vegeta back also and have them trained in New Namek or something and rewrite history except it’ll take to long I guess and Toriyama just likes this timeline and making trunks return from the future to the dbz main timeline and give Goku and the other z fighters the heads up but it would be a pretty cool story for another timeline but like I said the dragon ball team probably doesn’t want to spend money and time making that storyline even tho it would be cool to see!
17 and 18 were robbed of humanity, that's why they "hate humans". Goku was dead already so they didn't have anything else to do unlike the present ones that hunted him down while he was sick, that's why they started to attack humans. Plus they didn't have 16 to influence them into loving humanity
While this was the darkest Dragon Ball has ever gotten, I'd say Z always had a serious air to it with some comedy here & there. While the Buu Saga was pretty comedic compared to the other arcs, I still wouldn't call it light-hearted with all the genocide, mass destruction, and brutality Buu has committed.
Trunks going back in time changed a lot of things including 17 and 18. The main timeline versions of 17 and 18 are a lot more likable. Even when they were messing around and planning to kill goku they never killed a single person. When the z fighters attacked them, they didn't kill a single one of them while they easily could have. The only one standing at the end was krillin after all. Sure they scared a few people and stole some things, but they never killed. That's a big difference with the androids in here. These androids have lost their humanity completely. In this timeline gero didn't invent 19 nor did he turn himself into an android. There is also no sign of 16 anywhere. I've always assumed the reason they're so evil is because Gero instead put all his effort into 17 and 18, making them lose their morality completely. Anyway, I love this part of dragon ball z. It's very different from the rest, but that just makes it more interesting.
Fun fact: The History of Trunks itself is actually filled with a massive plotholes otherwise the story wouldn't work. 1. Goku's illness could have been wished away. A magical Dragon that is capable of resurrecting people from the dead surely could have cured an illness. 2. While Goku couldn't be wished back due to dying of natural causes the same isn't true for the other Z-Fighters. King Kai could have contacted New Namek and also Trunks or Gohan while he was still alive to let him know of his plan to use the Namekian Dragonballs.
Yea like I know you guys saw adbridge even tho some of it is kinda true to the story it being funny 👀😂 but yea watch like the original for it cause Kai’s cool but original anime and the movies with some badass songs make it so much better but that’s just me 😂😂😂
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You have to remember that in this timeline, Gohan never got any more training beyond what he received from Piccolo and the power boost from Namek. Then, every fighter he knew died. He grew up woefully inadequate to face the androids, so instead, focused largely on trying to save people rather than fighting the androids head on. I'm sure he tried to train himself in his spare time, but that can only do so much. I expect his strategy was to keep training himself in secret until he was powerful enough to defeat both of them, but that probably would've taken many more years.
Yeah the androids were just keeping Gohan around as he was the only one who was able to keep them entertained when it comes to combat. Gohan uses that opportunity to get some experience but not a lot of training since he usually ends up getting beat up. Which is useful for him for a zenkai boost specially when there isn't enough ways for him to full heal up every fight. This Gohan is not even comparable to the High School Gohan and definitely not the current Gohan who's smart, very experienced, and well trained. But he's got spirit and tries to save innocent people. While current Gohan is a lot of relaxed since he knows Goku and Vegita are there, he only really gets into fights if his family is in danger.
This kind of indirectly shows the intelligence and fight IQ that Goku had because he was the first one to figure out the perfect strategy to progress beyond a Super Saiyan, and he did this without any information or mentor. Shows how crucial he was for the future timeline. If he had not died, even without a warning from a future warrior, he would have been able to figure out the way to beat the Androids and then Cell
I love how you can tell Toriyama really loved The Terminator from this arc
Thank you for reminding me that hes gone
@@ghostdragon4164but never forgotten😮💨 Toriyama is king
Probably why the first Android Goku fights is Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Every single arc of this trash is ripped from an actual good ip .
@@shikitohno47No one asked you, lil bro. JJK is garbage btw
the fact that Gohan went from being a match 1v1 to almost being able to 2v1 from his Zenkai boost if he could've just controlled himself a bit longer and trained a bit more he probably could've won by himself
Tiffany Volmer's Bulma voice was awesome! Brings back memories!
Better than monica
@@earendilthemariner5546 Monica's a jerk
@@angelperalessalaices8696She is, but voice acting wise she is better (my opinion)
Its amazing how 17 getting stalmated by piccolo, humbling him, and 18 falling in love with Krillin giving her something to focus on, changed their future self so much.
I don't know, like Krillin points out 17 and 18 from the future seemed heartless right from the start as they killed everyone right away but in the main timeline they just beat them up first then left. Not sure what caused the personality change but again they did seem less evil in the present.
@@digitaladventurer2142 Gero had more time to work on the androids in Trunks' timeline because no one was there to stop him and 19 when they first appeared. Note that 17 and 18 are following their programming with the whole 'world domination' thing, even if they claim they are doing it for fun, so it can be surmised that Gero was able to control them just a smidge better, but not enough to spare him from their whims.
@@Elzzaw That sounds alright, but it also sounds like in that time he got them in far more torture than they had been through in our timeline, since that usually turns people into sociopaths
Also 16 being a mellow fellow, and Cell eating them whole.
The messed up thing is this is the original timeline
As for how he survived, I think they just blasted him and assumed he was dead and left. They didn't try to double tap him. The androids just see him as a toy to play around with rather than fighting seriously against. He is no threat to them so they just use him as entertainment.
Also, they can't sense energy. If he got stuck under rubble or something after the blast and if they couldn't see him, they might genuinely not have been able to find him. Ultimately, though, it is kind of a plot hole, that requires some reaching for an explanation.
@@Lord_Of_Night I don't think it's a plot hole, it just doesn't need to be explained. The androids like to dick around. That's enough.
It’s kinda surreal seeing the English dub of this with the og Japanese soundtrack
My first watch of this had dream theater's scenes from a memory as the soundtrack lol
Kikuchi tracks are so good, well they're the one i grew up listening to, i grew up watching dub from my country its wasn't english obviously so the original JP tracks were the one used, but where it was airing stopped right away after Namek arc, so i played some DB games and after that watched the anime sub and this music is so nice Kikuchi done great job, Falconer also got good music like the Majin Vegeta transformation ost slaps, but im more into JP Dragon Ball
I WONT watch Legendary Super Saiyan without Pantera or Slow Roosevelt
Edit: or mark menza's ssj theme from Super 13/Metal cooler
Same
Grew up with a dub that isn't English and ost Japanese, they are the best imo@@Oiinchi
Sorry but this sound track sucks. Dream theater goes so much better with this movie 😅😅😅
Future Trunks was incredibly impressive when you consider he didn’t train much or at all with goku and he was still able to fight both androids at once while he would lose the 2 on 1s he would still hold is own and always risked his life in hopes of putting an end to their terror
this is why i Love Future gohan. He doesn't fool around like the usual gohan, he doesn't care if he's unmatched, he has no fear, even with one arm to four.
this could have turned out very differently if toriyama stopped having goku speak to others through king kai, which could have helped from literally telling him about the hyperbolic time chamber, or haiving king kai talkm to the namekians on namek and make a wish there, etc.
I saw this on TV when I was just a kid, maybe 11 or 12? It literally changed my mind about DBZ it made me realize how serious the show could be and that it wasn't just about the action.
I really like how in Xenoverse 2, trunks was basically risking a more massive timeline screw up to save future gohan. And then future gohan is like "no, we cant do this trunks. I gotta fight them".
It was nice seeing Trunks interact with Gohan and vice versa
Well i mean the thing with gohan was he was actually giving them a hard time so they werent holding back as for trunks they were basically toying with him,wo like they lower theyre powerlevel to toy and kill earthlings they prob lowered it a bit for trunks and didnt go all out whereas they were sick and tired of gohan and needed him dead
I love the original Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z soundtrack. Glad you two got a taste of it with this.
I really think you’d both enjoy a play through of Dragon Ball Z Kakarot for your gaming channel.
And one of the DLC covers the events of History of Trunks.
Yes. This
Even just for the Gohan vs the androids scene. It’s that good.
The score by the late Shunsuke Kikuchi does have that old-school Japanese action movie flair. (He also did the score for the old Gamera movies.) It is weird, though, that they didn't restore the opening theme, "CHA-LA HEAD CHA-LA", for this version (using the extremely generic 2000s dub opening) when they used the rest of the Japanese soundtrack (including "Aoi Kaze no HOPE" for the end credits). I guess it's a weird licensing issue.
I'm glad you guys finally watched the real version! ABRIDGED is fun, but I always say the original is worth watching. Would be fun to see you guys react to certain clips like "Goku Turns Super Saiyan DBZ Kai" and things like that, get a good taste of the original dub while also not committing to watching the full series, as I'm sure you wouldn't wanna do that.
They should watch the 100 or so episodes of Kai they missed tbh
@@TheCryptofHorrors-DerCryptaxis no bruh 💀 that shit is cut out for a reason because it causes the story to drag (even more than it already does) Just because you are blinded by nostalgia doesn't mean that original Z was inherently good.
fym the kai version of SSJ1 is infinitely better. Better VA for Frieza and Sean Schemmel is more used to his role.
@@resonabledemon That doesn't mean Abriged is good or better, if anything ever deserved the copyright book thrown at it's those guys, like legit Jailtime.
@@resonabledemon Kai is better overall in a lot of places, I did miss some of the Villain-centered filler episodes but the streamlining in Kai is worth it.
The background music in this is the original soundtrack composed by the legendary Shunsuke Kikuchi! If you guys get around to OG Dragon Ball, you'll be hearing his music a lot. It's pretty great.
I was first wondering why you were doing this. But realised this is actually very important for Super next. So it's very good to get the proper version of History of trunks at the very least
Man I love the original DBZ score so much! Its the score i grew up listening too. Also yeah DBZ was way more darker then Super.
28:30 Number 18 (and all the androids besides No. 8) have murdered untold numbers of children. They *really* don't care. ☠
The joke in DBZA was that literally none of us know how he survived. 😂
The explanation for Trunks survival, the plot armor for the story that is today, pretty much.
It’s something about the Future Android 17 and 18 I always liked as villains. I like Frieza who is an entitled Space Emperor, Buu who is made to be pure evil, or Vegeta who’s bloodline was run by conquering and destroying planets which he himself started doing, it’s something about how nonchalant, childish, petty and self indulging the Androids were, and how they hate humans. Likely because after being turned into cyborgs by Gero, they weren’t complete and while they do deem themselves as androids, they still had some human consciousness in them, but are probably just vengeful because of what happened to them since before they were just normal delinquents.
To be fair even THIS special was dark in DBZA
That's the original japanese music from Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.
Man, I love this movie. Yes, Dragon Ball has always been super lighthearted and gradually builds up into high stakes death battles, but since this is a short movie from an apocalyptic future I guess it was kinda of hard to pull it off, but I've always enjoyed it. The TFS guys did an amazing job at balancing tension/jokes in their version, but I'm sure you've already checked that out. Can't wait to start the "Black Arc" 😀🍿
I don't know if it's been discussed yet, but I really think that once you guys are done with super, you should go back to the 80s and watch the OG Dragon Ball. It's such a fun show and I think you'd both adore watching Goku grow up.
I know Gohan going after the Andriods alone wasn't the smartest idea. However, we should remember that Earth's dragon balls are gone in this timeline & they have no idea where New Namek is, meaning there's no bringing people back. Gohan knows that and wants to prevent as much casualties as possible. Even if he's playing "the long game" by training Trunks, he won't ignore any innocent people in need of help.
Fun Fact: Since Bethany said Trunks works as a redhead? In the spin-off timeline Dragon Ball Heroes (which mainly exists to sell what-if versions of the characters) Future Trunks does in fact become Super Sayan God. And yes, he is a redhead when using it.
I miss Mr. Piccollo in Gohans head here. It makes so much more fun and sense in the Abridged version.
Honestly seeing this made me really appreciate the abridged version. Those boys really know how to score a scene. Music in this is just super distracting
Gohan didn't learn Super Saiyan as early in this time line as he did in the 1 in ours Trunks also learns to be Super Saiyan as a lil kid in the Buu saga and Trunks had learned SS at 13 in this story than the last fight was 3 years later so he had been practicing for 3 years
You guys should check out the kakorot cutscenes if you haven’t already
So yeah future trunks time will have a bit of serious tone in super.
what a great suprise reaction I love this tv special
The soundtrack is from the original japanese version, it's superb. To be honest I think the US is the only country where DBZ has a different soundtrack, not to diminish the music work of Bruce Faulconer his music is amazing
I think I watched your reaction twice. It was good both times.
11:20
Give it to the androids for a fair fight, obviously ;)
16:23 he got mixed by the androidzs!
You guys missed out on an epic soundtrack by not watching the Funimation dub.
They did watch the Funi version. But due to licensing issues. You can't get Faulconer music unless you have a home release or watch from illegal sites
I think the androids wouldn't have been evil if they had android 16 🟢 🤖...
You guys had me so confused. I thought this was a re-upload of the abridged version lol
The androids are teens themselves, so they're reckless and don't pay that much attention on who they kill or don't sometimes lol. My theory may be that they over estimated themselves because gohan could've taken them on one at a time but they double teamed him. When they fought trunks they underestimated trunks and only 18 "finished" him off. Which i think 18 might be the weaker of the two. So that's why I think trunks was able to survive.
After DBZA I can’t take the voices seriously. This however is one of my favourites
Trunks survived out of sheer luck. In think the DLC for DBZ Kakarot did a better job showing how Trunks survived, with the Androids simply walking away after Trunks lost consciousness. They spared Trunks because he was the only one capable of challenging them, they kept him as “entertainment”. It was the same reason why they’d let Gohan escape until they got bored of him.
2 things that make this the saddest DBZ movie of all time, there are no Dragon balls in this reality and Trunks can't change the current reality he's in even if he uses the time machine everyone is dead and there is no changing that.
I would really recommend reacting to all the cutscenes (or at least the cinematic cutscenes) to dragon ball z kakarot, or just the history of trunks dlc since it’s shorter. It gives a lot of respect to the original series, definitely worthwhile
Plus the final battle between gohan and 17 and 18 is way better
@@LAA_197I agree 100%
I'm going to pop in my copy of Kakarot, load up the History of Trunks DLC and give them a good thrashing again with MAX lvl Trunks. just for you guys.
I think Trunks was able to survive while Gohan wasn't because there was an arm of difference between the two... All jokes aside though, he's Vegeta's son. Having watched the Buu saga, when he was buying Goku time for the spirit bomb, you both know how much of a beating that man can take. Probably runs in the family.
Somthing to note, alot of the movies dubs had different music. The music you are hearing is the original music but the Credits has such artists as "Bootsy Colin and BucketHead" or "Dream theatre" these are proper bands and you may know Dream Theatre and so its wild to hear such bands playing during Dragon ball movies, also Bootsy Colin is an old 70s funk artist which got his own radio channel on GTA 5 with a few of his song on there.
If y’all watching the real versions of DBZ Movies, I would recommend watching the original Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan. To know Broly was more than just saying “Kakorot” than in the Second Movie
Rewatching this story was an intresting paralell to the presnt time gohan. Future gohan lost to the androids with both hands and one hand. Present gohan as super sayian 2 beat perfect cell with two hands and one hand.
Best guess is that maybe Age Difference might be a thing on how much Punishment & Beatings Half Saiyans can take or handle to an extent. Just a random guess.
Why di you watch the Bruce Falconer version? That trunks transformation has one of the best music from the whole series in the Bruce Falconer version.
I just realized that 18 has the jacket to Android 13's trucker hat. In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, DOH!
Oh, it’s the dub where kid Gohan is a pack a day smoker…. My favorite 😊
Kid Gohan was never that.
More like old Frieza.
Also this Gohan is much better than the whiny annoying sounding kid Gohan in Kai.
@@TheRealRahstar I did say it was my favorite!
@@MarisuSedai I know. I just don't agree that this Gohan sounded like a smoker
People should react to the original first
In this special, they really made it seem like Gohan could 1v1 a single twin and he only got overwhelmed when both fought in sync. He did overpower BOTH of them in a beam struggle. On the other hand, his manga counterpart went out like a punk and died off panel right after 17 told him he wasn't even using half of his power in their previous encounter. Gohan said he trained so he won't be beat, meaning he's stronger than his two armed self, but still, that's a lot of work for one arm. Heck, in the manga, Gohan said that he wears his father's clothes with hopes it would make him as strong as him, but its not that easy, implying that Gohan wasn't even as strong as Goku when he came back home after Trunks killed Mecha Frieza. Bulma said Trunks wasn't amazingly different from Gohan, putting Trunks just marginally above him. Gohan was a Super Saiyan for 13 years, but since he had no training partners or knew about the time chamber, his power did not grow that much.
When Gohan asked "What would your father do?" I thought: He would give the senzu bean to his enemy to make it fair 😅... which was the right call in that situation because if an exhausted Cell fought Gohan, he might've gotten desperate and powered up to 100% and killed him before Gohan could unleash Super Saiyan 2.
Trunks didnt fought 17 and 18 right after getting Super Saiyan, it was implied that at least 2 years passed, Trunks was training during that time, at least in japanese and latin spanish Bulma said that Trunks was stronger than Gohan but not that much
I feel like Bethany needs an explanation on how certain aspects of the power system works. So buckle up. The super saiyan transformation (SSJ1) is a 50× multiplier of base form/their normal form. Therefore the stronger you are in base form, the more power there is to be multiplied. As you saw in the Buu saga, Trunks was born with more potential than Gohan (side note: half breed saiyans have more potential than full blooded saiyans). So obviously Trunks would probably get stronger in less time. Not to mention the fact that Gohan had to Train himself since everyone died when he was 10, however in the new Timeline(the one we follow into Dragon Ball Super) Gohan was trained by Goku for a total of 4 years and was able to go from 3rd form frieza level to being the strongest character at the end of Cell Saga. And this also applies to Trunks because when training Vegeta he went from getting dog walked by the androids in his time (who are weaker than the ones that the main cast have to face) to Being stronger than Cell's 2nd form. So yes Trunks was indeed Stronger than Gohan, he was trained by Gohan Therefore he got stronger in his base form faster.
I would have died if Trunks hadn't asked why Gohan went alone but why he didn't dodge.
Tbh, now that you've been watching more modernly dubbed Dragon Ball content like Kai and Super, specials and movies like these would be more sensible to watch subbed in Japanese, since these were dubbed at a time when FUNi wasn't dubbing things as accurately as they have since Kai--you at least get the gist, but they do add unneeded dialogue/fluff and some lines get changed up. It is cool they did put this out with the original score, though odd they didn't include Cha-la for the opening... (likely legal issues as mentioned) Looking forward to watching this subbed in my Japanese rewatch, since I haven't seen it in ages and I do have the DBZA version stuck in my head, lmao.
That said, this special was always cool for establishing Trunks's backstory before he goes back to warn everyone of what he's seen, and it also definitely helps offer background for the next Super arc. Fun watch!
I really wish you watched the other version. Imo the music is way better especially the part when trunks sees gohan dead.
This is why not a fan of any fan service abridge stuff. Its funny to some people but I do think it takes away from original if this is first time experiencing. Dragon Ball Z is know for 3 things, fun fighting, epic moments and sad moments. Because every fight is still treated seriously, the fact that Goku is killed in 2nd episode sets the tone. And the main villain Piccolo at time is still standing is actually pretty rare and cool. It eventually becomes meta around Buu Saga but before that it wasn't treated as campy. I don't think abridge stuff is bad even if I am not fan but do think for original source to get most out of both is watching OG than appreciating silly stuff after.
To answer the Gohan and Trunks power difference, it’s probably because Gohan was forced to appear strong to not make anyone lose hope hurting his strength over all.
Also Trunks had 3 years to master super Saiyan
Also also I love your vids 💕
Watch the Bardock movie
this really makes you think how things would have gone if they teamed up in main timeline too, maybe krilin would have survived, even thou i think he'd have fought too if everyone was dying, like in trunks timeline.
So only goku alive (or maybe not, he survived thanks to piccolo fighting them
A few points to make here: Super Saiyan Gohan was arguably stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks, but Trunks didn't face the Androids until 3 years after he first transformed. Relatively speaking, Trunks was more prepared in fighting the Androids than Gohan, as he trained under Gohan and potentially self-trained for 3 years while Gohan had only self-trained since Goku's death. Plot is the only explanation for how Trunks survived that last attack, though. No other explanation was given.😂
The problem with trunks in dbs is that he relias on others to help him meanwhile dbz trunks always pushed him self to the edge and a lot of people say they mascard trunks in dbs but I think is that the resources on future trunks timeline are so limited that they are eating cat food when you workout a lot you need a lot of calories to balance out the body but trunks doesn't have that much water or food supply 😢so he can't be buff so it makes sense thear is a dark fact of the future timeline that says when future Gohan was around humanity still remanded but when he died the amount of population that was wiped out was a lot future Gohan was always fighting them not letting them kill more people and the reason trunks was crying at the end of super was that he knew that his death ment nothing and he is still a wekling and he has not approved
i guess trunks survived, first because he is younger, and second, his psychological wear and tear for years as Gohan has been fighting non-stop, and always losing for many years, that wears you down psychologically, plus Gohan is someone who likes to be quiet and study, he doesn't have a fighter's mind like Goku, that makes that the training that Gohan was doing, did not make so much effect, instead trunks fights because he wants to protect people, that is his fuel and his mentality, that helps him to train and be focused, Gohan wants to destroy the androids did not know how, and that also made his super Saiyan was stagnant and could not increase its power.
Ooooo o o o I SO wanted you two to watch this❣️
Meh wrong OST.
Just wondering if you would be interested in watching regular Dragonball once you are done with super. It could be like watching a prequel (even though it came out first)
Gohan was too big of a threat to the Androids so they went full power and teamed up on him. Trunks they just played with him
Just want to know, will you continue the DBS reactions ? :O It's the best arc soon (if you can skip fillers as well xD)
You should watch all of Z! It hits different than just the abridged.
Y'all should check out Miles Morales vs Static Shock on Death Battle
Edit: Y'all should also check out Red Hood vs Winter Soldier Deathbattle
Why do i think that future Gohan death scream semplice that he wasn't tough at all 😢 meaning he was weak because 18 say's hes tough he probably wouldn't yell
Yeah I didn’t understand how they couldn’t just have king Kai communicate with Gohan thru with Goku and have Bulma build a space machine with her dad or something and have trunks and gohan travel to find New Namek and ask them to use the dragons ball to wish Piccolo back again at least then have them wished vegeta back also and have them trained in New Namek or something and rewrite history except it’ll take to long I guess and Toriyama just likes this timeline and making trunks return from the future to the dbz main timeline and give Goku and the other z fighters the heads up but it would be a pretty cool story for another timeline but like I said the dragon ball team probably doesn’t want to spend money and time making that storyline even tho it would be cool to see!
you should react to Dragon Ball Z the original version
You should try the fan live action movie. That’s well made
I think its time for DEFINITELY NOT DEFINITIVE to see Goku bury Vegeta along with the Frieza fight
*UNABRIDGED*
There’s a new episode of helluva boss
Bulma's first funimation voice actress is so much better then her current one.
For sure
Meredith McCoy is great as Android 18
She sounds so flat and expressionless though.
It would have been perfect if when 18 said "you wouldn't hit a lady, would you"? Trunks said "no" and punched her.
Are you guys gonna watch the rest of the dbz with Bruce Faulconers music. Because there definitely worth it and makes all the movies 10x better.
Yeah the Japanese soundtrack just doesn't cut it.
17 and 18 were robbed of humanity, that's why they "hate humans". Goku was dead already so they didn't have anything else to do unlike the present ones that hunted him down while he was sick, that's why they started to attack humans. Plus they didn't have 16 to influence them into loving humanity
That is... Very very OLD Eng Dub ! 😂
While this was the darkest Dragon Ball has ever gotten, I'd say Z always had a serious air to it with some comedy here & there. While the Buu Saga was pretty comedic compared to the other arcs, I still wouldn't call it light-hearted with all the genocide, mass destruction, and brutality Buu has committed.
Trunks going back in time changed a lot of things including 17 and 18. The main timeline versions of 17 and 18 are a lot more likable. Even when they were messing around and planning to kill goku they never killed a single person. When the z fighters attacked them, they didn't kill a single one of them while they easily could have. The only one standing at the end was krillin after all. Sure they scared a few people and stole some things, but they never killed. That's a big difference with the androids in here. These androids have lost their humanity completely.
In this timeline gero didn't invent 19 nor did he turn himself into an android. There is also no sign of 16 anywhere. I've always assumed the reason they're so evil is because Gero instead put all his effort into 17 and 18, making them lose their morality completely. Anyway, I love this part of dragon ball z. It's very different from the rest, but that just makes it more interesting.
Nooo….😂😂
Darn. I almost how many darn Darns the original darn Z dub had. Darn.
Fun fact: The History of Trunks itself is actually filled with a massive plotholes otherwise the story wouldn't work.
1. Goku's illness could have been wished away. A magical Dragon that is capable of resurrecting people from the dead surely could have cured an illness.
2. While Goku couldn't be wished back due to dying of natural causes the same isn't true for the other Z-Fighters. King Kai could have contacted New Namek and also Trunks or Gohan while he was still alive to let him know of his plan to use the Namekian Dragonballs.
i wish they were watching the dbz american version of this movie better soundtracks
U should have watched it with the US music. Gohans death hits sooo much harder with it
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yes
Yea like I know you guys saw adbridge even tho some of it is kinda true to the story it being funny 👀😂 but yea watch like the original for it cause Kai’s cool but original anime and the movies with some badass songs make it so much better but that’s just me 😂😂😂
Seeing this as an spanish speaker is painful they change so much on hte english DUB DEAR GOOD but at least the death was well done
Most dubs nowadays try not to change so much anymore
Super does not compare to this.
Damn not use to this sound track. Sounds like a completely different movie. Dream Theater goes much better with it. 😅😅😅
Definitely watch more moments from z. Abridged is awesome but the original can’t be beat.