One Last Trip with The ID.Buzz
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ธ.ค. 2023
- This is my last trip with the Buzz for now. There are som fantastic things about this van, and some things that are not that fantastic. In this video, I go over all the pros and cons.
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Great summary of the Buzz. The Buzz is the reason I found this channel and although I'm sad to see it go I am happy to take delivery of my own Buzz in a few days.
Thank you. I can’t wait to test new versions.
@@RoamingNorway Snart får du vel sjansen :)
Found your channel just yesterday. Great content, you got yourself one more sub! :)
Thank you!
Excellent video!
I hope to vsist Norway someday and do a roadtrip in a Tesla.
Enjoyed this video & its objectivity. Well done. Subscribed. Cheers
That’s fantastic to hear. I was aiming for objectivity, but it can be difficult to portray.
Roaming- Like! really top trip! )
272 Wh/k = 435 Wh/mi. Wow that is bad for a vehicle that is not towing. It goes to show how cold can affect EVs. Love your comments during the video.
It's "km", not just k. "k' means 1,000, it's just a number. "km" means 1,000 meters. kg means 1,000 grams. You are welcome. It will never be too late when the "Americans" will stop using miles, yards, feet, inches, fingernails and pube's hairs and will start using the meter, just the meter, only the meter.
@@paolopetrozzi2213
Agree on the U.S.A. going metric only I believe it should be metres not meters.
@ldman3021
I agree, but we are speaking about English people that didn't know how to properly spell "aluminium", other than "metre", when they arrived on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.
Bra saker dette. Keep up the good work!
I use Kia Niro'21 with heatpump and it consumes 5 kW in -16 C for at least 10 min until interior gets warmer. Heatpump doesn't work at -16 C because it would require more energy to collect heat outside compared to just use electricity for resistance heater
nice video. I've been waiting a long time in the USA for this to be available, but the more I learn about it the longer I want to keep my reliable, comfortable, fully paid for 2012 Chrysler Town and Country minivan. Our everyday driver is a 2021 BMW i3s, and as much as I'd love to go 100% EV (and how cool the VW looks) the price and compromises of the idBuzz (relatively short range, expensive, less than amazing tech) don't make much sense for us. cheers
Thanks for the comment. I can absolutely see that.
You are getting the newer LWB version in the US which should have quite a few of the v1 shortcomings fixed: more efficient, heat pump, bidirectional charging (allegedly), newer software, bigger, more power. Can't remember if they are fixing the stupid not-buttons. The extra battery is probably more or less countered by the larger vehicle, but the improved efficiency should get at least a few more miles. We'll have to wait and see on that.
Excited to test it. @@xxwookey
The problem is in this life everything is a compromise (apart from my wife in case she reads this).
Concerns about range in an arctic environment are fine if you live in an arctic environment & need to be taken into consideration but for many the range (even when -25c) will not be an issue.
I guess that most EVs find their place as a 2nd vehicle which gives owners the ability to play to their strengths, at some point in the future that restriction may disappear.
In the end we make a decision on videos like this which give a real world view of function rather than the manufacturer’s brochure. Great video & you have a new subscriber.
Greetings! I've been a Tesla owner for just about 4yrs now and here in Korea we have about 3 months of "winter" during which i am lucky to get 70% of rated range and usually less than that. Rest of the year i tend to get just about or sometimes over the rated range. Mine was built just before the heatpump models but still I'm not sure if i would have bought one if the winter was any longer in my country. Thank you for the great content!
Great to hear. 70% is not too bad. Probably more than enough range regardless!
@@RoamingNorway As you well know, 70% is only when it's just a bit nippy :) When it gets down to "real" cold around -15 or less it's more like a bit more than 50% especially if only using for short trips. Nevertheless, I've saved around $8k a year for the past 4yrs so no complaints!^^ stay safe!
Takk for en informativ film, det er filmer som dette, folk får se hva el bil er. Selv driver jeg med dokumentar på VW ID.3 fra ny til oppbrukt .. over 3 år nå.. Jo fler forbrukere filmer, jo mer vil bilbransjen skjerpe seg og gjøre ting bedre.
Takk for hyggelig kommentar!
I am glad that I went for the leasing option because I wanted to wait for the next version (long wheel based w/better battery) which I think is planned for european release in end of 2024. But I have enjoyed your trips on here in that Buzz but also the drive in the Tesla up north :)
Still a good car, and a fantastic van! I’ll revisit it in the future 🙌
Nice review! BUT maybe start with a closeup of specific tires being used for everyone that probably won’t get “snow” tires fitted in more seasonal climates.
Thanks for the recommendation, I will try to always show the tyres.
Nice video✌️
I love the planning charging/trip of my Mégane infotainment and Google continues improving the system...
I don't know the Tesla planning system... But the Google is the best✌️
Thanks for the video
Tesla trip planner is unic. Could be better, but nothing and no-one is perfect 😆
Is it Renault on board app or just a Google map you talking about?
@@jazdan223 is the Google maps, but is integrated it with the car and all the sensors, so is really good and realible. But like you said... It's not a perfect system 😁 is a android on wheels 🫣
@2:00 50% is perhaps too much but same for a drive of 2h30, so better for you to take a break :-) and as the car had only 20 30 % at the first stop, seems very low temperatures are not well taken in account in consumtion estimation. Very interesting video, thanks !
My EV experience comes from Model 3 and the Y. Got my Buzz for almost about a year ago. The bad software and buttons in the Buzz is reason enough not to get the car for many. Can’t believe that VW put this crap into this otherwise great practical and very comfortable car. Like you said, a heat pump should also be standard equipment in any EV in Europe., at least in Norway. I shall be very careful about rumors but I’ve heard, even when the 4WD long wheelbase Buzz comes along with a slightly bigger battery, the range will not improve. I really hope that will not be the case. Anyway. A heat pump, better buttons, improved software including an app where you can actually adjust settings and 4WD will make the car a whole lot better. Still got the Y too though. Love your video.
the Buttons on the steering wheel are a pain. They feel so bad. :( In a rented ID3 we crashed the software on the first kilometers by going to the license agreement. Than we needed to navigate with the telephone. After a few hours parking, the infotainment was working again...yeah...
heatpump is not as useful on the cargo version because you just have to heat a small cabin
I have been travelling this weekend to Røros from west coast and it was damn slippery 😅 and my very clasic modX has made it super well, 800km with just 233Wh/km 😊
Nice! What spec is it?
@RoamingNorway originally it was x60d '17 with fri SC.. last year, updated to 75kWh.
Man, I love the music @ 15:00... Nice video too btw. ❤
Thank you!
awesome video. Thank you for sharing the beautiful sceneries as you made the reviews. I wondered how far can a full charged battery last with 5 people and luggage in it ? Considering ID Buzz is a family van. Almost all EV cars review has 1 or 2 passengers with luggage. Thanks.
Weight doesn’t matter as much as aerodynamics. It doesn’t really matter unless you are climbing(accelerating) the weight a lot. You regain some of it when descending.
Very good channel. Would like to see a Fisker Ocean review in future 😊. Subs.
Thank you!
Software seems clumsy. The software must think as the user thinks in that situation, this car software doesn't. "It has very bad software" (19:33)
Forcasting larger battery reserves than reality is simply creating dangerous situations. If the car stops hill-up at a two lane road...the accident is near. The last thing you want.
The test driver is telling VW-engineering what to do..(20:41).
The car heater (consuming 6 kW) uses half of the energy of a small car driving on a highway. For defrosting the screens it is a must...
Your content is really nice! I agree on range is a problem. I lease this car monthly, but would not buy. To expensive. And range is to poor.
Seat heat can be turned on with two-finger-click on blue-red temperature controls. Nonetheless I agree with most of your points completely
Thanks!
You should give advice to Canada on how to build roads. In Toronto and the surrounding area there are pits, ditches and cracks, even on highways.😢
You see it from Norway perspective, in southern coutnries and many parts of US they donť need almost heating at all, so comparison to power steering is not tom notch :-) I like piano black although it needs more attention. SW is really sluggish and that sucks mee too,upcoming ID7 with new SW and better screen solve all ttroubles bles it seems.
I loved so many things about the vehicle. I hope they can upgrade the stuff I talked about.
Thanks for the video! Really considering to replace our family Touran with ID Buzz.
I think that would be an upgrade. Especially if you have home charging and good EV infrastructure where you live.
I wish we had even one such beautiful mountain in Finland, but the are all located on the Norwegian side of the border.
Roadtrip over! 🙌
Nice video. I missed your buddy Pecco! cheers
He will return in another viceo :)
Good to see it tested in harsh conditions. Comparing a bus to a car is however giving the wrong impression. Out of all electric mini vans this VW iD Buzz is still way ahead of his competitors. Bothin power consumption and range. It also has by far the best recharge time out of all vans. Conclusion: electric vans suck. But also: The VW id Buzz is still the best in his own class, by a big margin.
I have same concerns, not only in winter time, but in hot summer, AC definitely will reduce the mileage of the car...But the buzz do look good.
True!
getting the van as a service car about mars. Just the normal. Probably no heat pump. But not that cold around Bergen.
Great content - fellow Norwegian :)
Takk!
Ikke sett kanalen din før nå. Bra jobba og godt kommunisert. Keep it up!
Takk!
you have to update the software the newer version is running better !
Thank you for your vid.
Thanks for watching!
Jeg er veldig glad i buzzen min. Veldig fornøyd med det meste. Ja det kunne vært varmepumpe med tanke på effektivitet på vinteren men nå kjører ikke jeg lange turer heller utenom på sommeren. Perfekt med masse plass. Har hatt noen hiccups med software med tanke på resetting av personlige innstillinger noen ganger . Men det ble fiksa med en oppdatering.kjørt 16k nå.
What type of app and reader are you using to se all info on your phone? Looking for something that works with my sq8 Etron
OBD MX2 and carscanner should work with the Etron. Nice car btw!
Traction control works up to 30Km/h good luck
I love the design (inside and out). I would’ve bought it if they made a gas version. It looks like it’d be great for long road trips.
Or hybrid for me
Just discovered your channel and enjoyed the content.
Do you think that a heat pump would give real efficiency gains at -17°? Here in Canada I find the heat pump is a real benefit from +5° to -5° beyond those temperatures the heat pump either has to work really hard or at the warmer end the heat is hardly needed so there aren’t many kw saved.
Heatpumps are different from each other. Some are more effective down low, and some are not. It depends on the refrigiants ability to capture the little heat that is actually available in the air. In these EVs, you are often able to capture heat from motors, battery etc. which helps with the efficiency when it is cold. It is difficult to measure though, but I think a full octovalve system like Tesla uses, absolutely does offer a benefit in the cold. Thank you so much for watching!
Very interesting video. What mobile app do you use with all the vehicle info?
Carscanner
two finger tap on the heat slider will change seat temp 🙂
Thank you for the tips. I appericate it! I will try to communicate this when I test it in the future.
Fully loaded on slippery road it probably means you can't move anymore, and you have range of 50km :D I will try to keep my Sharan as long as possible :D
No problem towing and having it fully loaded. Electric cars don’t care about weight, it’s almost only aerodynamics. I have multiple videos towing with this car.
i love this route in ETS2
well the good news is that norway is Beautiful, and you already have the Buzz, and its a nicer version of the Buzz than the US will ever get, and we'll be in our Ugly Buzzes, in our average landscapes
Why is this one nicer than the US one?
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I thought that at -25°C temperature the heat pump (most heat pumps) won't work. Below -10, I think, they are so inefficient that they are not worth it.
It can still scavenge heat, just not as efficiently. Doesn’t matter that it’s less efficient at that temp, when 99% of driving is in higher temperatures.
51 KEuro in Norway => In Germany its costs 64 KEuro... So seems that re-import would be good.
Smart!
only 80kwh, holly crap. my whole house in Ukraine have whopping 5 kwh input :D
At -35C' my 200sqm house uses 4kW for heating via a geothermal heat pump. It is insane if a car uses 6kW for heating.
Impressive. Geothermal is awesome!
@Roaming Norway
Do you mean that traditional car of ICE and mech. transmission systems can do the same maneuvers as power/servo motor do? How can autonomous driving, automatic parking including 360 degree turning, and other precision controls be accomplished without electric motor/
Servo motor and AI control system? Power motor is superior to ICE for high thermal efficiency, torque, precision maneuvers, cost and more…
BEV surely is not a new stuff but a megatrend caucus the Energy Storage/battery tech. of secondary type is undergoing a major breakthrough, right ?
Not necesserily 360 turns but enough for ADAS and "self driving"
Get some "dekkvask" all the salty dirty water stick to your tyres and make them slippery... Spray on, wait for a minute, drive into a clean area, and your grip is back
Good tip!
I watched a video you put out on a Tesla and was very impressed with your optimism with the car while seeming to be objective. When I saw this video I was very excited to hear your objective opinion on this vehicle and was curious to hear why you were getting rid of it. I made it through 15 minutes of your constant negativity and had to stop watching. I’m not sure why you are selling it but it seems to be a good idea.
Thank you so much. I am trying my best to stay objective in every video. The negativity against the Buzz is a lot due to it actually being an early vehicle from Volkswagen, and it having a lot of issues, but I do highlight a lot of the stuff that I like as well. I love the turning radius, drivetrain the seat materials and certain aspects of the infotainment.
Nice video, this car seems not well thought through, would need twice the battery size to be any good.
Sure, it could be a little larger.
Very interesting content……
But why would anybody want 3EV’s ??? 😂
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I only want two as you can see in the video 🙌😆
Böözz :)
9 hours for 464km at 3 charging stops is quite stressing and impractical for a single driver, interesting video, thank you!
This route takes about 8 hours in a fossil car.
@@RoamingNorway That's insane, what's the biggest factor that takes most time here, likely the slow speed due to icy conditions?
Curvy roads mostly, but yes, also ice.@@TheFlatronify
So how often did you charge for this only 500 km long trip? When I think about that my truck uses a terrible amount of fuel but still makes 1.200 km before I have to hit the gas station ...
Only need to charge once, but two shorter ones fit my schedule. My Tesla could probably go all the way without charging.
@@RoamingNorway how is the situation down in Norway right now? Heard that northern Sweden was hit by a severe cold front and southern Norway by severe snowfalls?
So far I'm happy with my ICE powered pickup, there's not much choice for electric ones so far. But sooner or later I guess I have to do the change to electric as well. Especially in case I'd move to Norway once simply wouldn't be able to afford the pickup truck
It is fine. Of course some people will notice range loss on roadtrips, but I dont think people road trip right now.@@EnjoyFirefighting
many people from Germany are on road trips up north right now ^^ @@RoamingNorway
Funny you dont tell how long your recharges take. The ID has such a great range you had to recharge 2 times ( after being full charge) making a 300km trip LOL
That’s because I don’t care, I just order food and go. Usually around 10-20 mins if I’m not bottlenecked by food.
Är det en app du har för att få upp informationen från bilen, när du laddar, vilken effekt värmaren har osv, isåfall vilken?!
Hei! Det er Carscanner, bruker den med OBDLink MX+
Tack för snabbt svar, har en id Buzz genom jobbet och upplever den missvisande beräkningarna på effekt och distans.
AI of EV, using autonomous driving and parking surely the megatrend of global car market, which is making progress with one way of NO Return. Don't you think the traditional cars powered by ICEs can accomplish the abovesaid maneuvers like the power motors do in BEVs?
Any comment?
They can, and they do. Brands that make EVs and ICE cars put the same "self-driving" tech in both cars. It is nothing new with EVs, it is just modern cars. Same with touch screens.
You mean that traditional car of ICE and mech. transmission systems can do the same maneuvers as power/servo motor do? How can autonomous driving, automatic parking parking, and 360 degree turning, and other precision controls be accomplished without electric motor/
Servo and AI control system? Motor is superior to ICE for high thermal efficiency, torque, precision maneuvers, cost and more…
BEV surely is not a new stuff but a megatrend caucus the Energy Storage/battery tech. of secondary type is undergoing a major breakthrough, right ?
Nice open minded review👍
Thank you, I appericate the feedback!
my giant american 4 door 4x4 pickup truck doesn't weigh as much as your van /thats a really heavy van
As long as there is no reasonable range with a few minutes charging time, i will never buy an EV. For the time being Iam still happy with my Porsche 911 4S, especially on icy or slippery roads….👍👍👍
Glad you are happy with the Porsche, awesome cars!
What app do you use for getting the vehicle information?
Carscanner.
Imagine this beautiful IDBuzz with a 3 liter diesel engine.
Noisy, slow and won’t start in the winter?🥶
Sorry Man, I respect both sides, but I am on The Old School side.
I respect both sides too, they have their purpose. @@ocsikke
I'm a big fan of EV's but your country have a lot of Oil, cold weather and long distance roads : Petrol cars suits perfect for you !
I was a bit confused during the video because the maker doesn't know the right meaning of the word 'throttle'....
You mean my use of the word "throttling" as a word for "bottlenecking"? Or throttle as the word for accelerator. I am sorry if I mixed those up.
I‘m at full throttle, full throttle. Why? What for? When you‘re ice sliding anyway? And all that while you‘re heading into curves? Have you never learned to drive a car? Seems that the car assistance features have to cover your ass a lot. In addition complaining about range and not heating up the batteries as needed, while knowing it is needed. Instead complaining a lot, very norwegian? Not to my experience. I am sorry, but I only had a chance to meet very knowledgeable, smart and humble norwegians, yet, even in the most remote places.
Even got speed-trapped.
Trying to get my license, so I am just learning along the way! :)
I always loved the design of the VW T4, T5 and T6. But the Buzz looks like a toy to me, nothing special.
And 1000 km range and 5 minutes to refuel 🤔🇬🇧
I am over 50 and love the design of the T1 und T2. So I love the ID Bus too ❤
I had a VW GTE years back. it was the last VW ever, I will never own a car from this brand again. the EV part was horrible, on top of that was the VW service. every problem was talked out with 'o we will do a software update'. sometimes it was in the service twice a week. the special DSG gearbox broke 3 times and VW support was mediocre. Sometimes I had to discover in the morning that the car stopped charging halfway. Generally i felt like a guinnea pig. after that i got a Nissan Leaf for a while and that was by leaps a better car.
Sitting in a car, searching for places where to charge your EV, calculating how long you can ride with it, it jus nonsense... If you don't have what to do in your live, then yes, maybe it is interesting experience, but for day life it's just dont fit in this world yet.
Depends where one lives. In developed countries there are plenty of infrastructure. Personally saved $8k per yr on gas alone so my EV will have paid for itself this year.
I paid 11k In repairs @@tcat0211
You are right, AI of EV, using autonomous driving and parking surely the megatrend of global car market, which is making progress with one way NO Return
Not in yours maybe, but just fine in my life
@@tcat0211 saving? depends on your gas car comparison, medium diesel cars pretty good economy, depreciation of ev so far a disaster, time is money, stopping at mostly horrible charging areas, and endless mcdonalds or burgerking snacks with all these 30 minutes or more stops gets very tiring in the long run, gas prices could easily be a lot cheaper, they are high now by market manipulation and poor politicsl decisions. Insurance premiums fir ev’s have run away in some countries. I have nothing against ev but the practicalities are poor and the whole concept of better environment is a huge joke, i mean billions of huge 300kilo+ nasty chemical batteries? an environment disaster far greater than plant food co2😅
Wow your carbon footprint with theses EV fleet is humongous! It will take 10 years for you to compensate!!
6 months
@@RoamingNorway hahahaha good joke dude
Theres no excuse for half the car to be significantly worse than a 2012 tesla really is there. Sadly VW van lovers will buy pretty much anything.
There’s some good things as well, but some of the things are very annoying for sure!
I want to know what normal person has time in their life for all this charging jigery pokery nonsense? I get in a car, I drive, I fill up with petrol when required, that's it. No one has time for all this added stress, preplanning, finger crossing, praying and hoping nonsense!
Daily driving makes up for it, can fill at home
until solid state batteries I'll wait thank you, I'm not an idiot throwing money away
Nice!
Fact_HW is ok. Software is junk. Price is ridicolous. Just the same as with the ID.3, ID.4 ID.7, Enyaq, all Audis and Porsches. And the App is useless. I would not want to have a future EV without the same functionality as Tesla. Thats a mandatory functionality.
I think there are some good aspect and some bad aspects. The software is bad, but they can make EVs. They get some of the stuff right, and make some fantastic EVs (Taycan).
@@RoamingNorway I do not think the Taycan is fantastic. For me it seems like a overweight and over - everything EV. They even put a gearbox inside. What a bummer!
They should have made a lightweight Porsche with less than 1400kg, 60kWh battery and 0-100 under 3 seconds. A sporty car. A E-Boxster or even a E-911. Not a overweight behemoth. Even my Model 3 is faster than this thing.
The Skoda Enyaq is well made, very nice and comfy interior and it works ok. But it is -as all VAG products - much too expensive. I got one for cheap in 2021 and it works, but no updates whatsoever.
If VW produces acceptable Software, UI and App and lowers their price into Tesla and BYD regions i could consider at least a Skoda again.
90K for a IDBuzz? Sorry, i'll wait for my Cybertruck which will cost roughly the same.
Tesla makes app, German makes cars. Both need to learn. Germans vans are absolutely the best cars for driving in own class. I test drove Tesla model y, with all respect the app and the space are only two positive things about it. In terms of driving and actually enjoying the driving it is decades back from any modern German car. Tesla is powerful, but having proper steering and suspension is important as well at least for me, could not find that from Tesla 🤷♂️
The Model 3 is awesome to drive. Model Y is a little bit worse.@@pavelmullo2326
@@RoamingNorway model 3 is very small car, model y is only one which is sensible as one car in the house hold for the family , but getting into model y after current Volvo xc60t8 feels like enormously down grading, at least for me🤷♂️ quality of interior in the car so much lower than in majority of European cars and driving experience is very poor, suspension in model y was huge disappointment on Finnish winter roads. I had rental Passat on my work trip in Germany, driving-wise it beats Tesla model y by far. Germans are not strong yet in app part for ev but in being solid cars with proper driving abilities in all conditions is something Tesla needs to catch up on as well building quality of interior and seats. It is hard get used to shapeless sofa after sport seat experience of any premium European car. It is all about compromise in putting things in the important order for each individual🤷♂️
This psuedo-eco craziness needs to be stopped!
Vw company is a huge corporate mess, buz is a big platform, lots of area to implement a 600-1000 kilometres battery pack upgrade, software disaster, funky vehicle,
buzz off... buy a diesel bro and be happy.
Asalamaleikum from Kosova. It is NOT ECONOMIC to drive electric car. See your cars after 300000Km.
The buzz is quirky and different but it’s not for me
EVs aren't about driving as much as computer skills. Why oh why can't we use a mobile phone but continually have to play with an iPad. No sense
Modern ICE cars and EVs have the same amount of touch screens.
you have too much money
Not really, I own one car, which I have saved for a long time.
so who owns all the EV's ?
@@RoamingNorway
EVs are not ready yet. I’ll stick with gas and diesel.
shit
All EVs are money pit, and a great paine in the a$$😂😂😂😂
What a boring video
Isn’t it just easier to put a key in turn it and drive off. The world is more gadget mad than eco friendly.
Garbage car.
I like it!
Such a stupid idea to have a EV in Norvay!
Yes, 85% of sales are EVs. Everyone is stupid!
The problems with the legacy car manufacturers are that they are big unwieldy companies that see software as something separate from the modern car and especially when it comes to EV’s. The pipeline is god in these companies and the planning is done in terms of years of development that is carved in stone and nimbly pivoting to fix anything is just beyond their mindset and capabilities right in the corporate DNA. They will not fix this problem until they have change forced upon them somehow, either from market forces or legislation. Leadership might achieve some kind of reform from within if they are very lucky with their talent spotting and very smart with their choices in promoting the right mindset from their own pool of employees. But I wouldn’t be holding my breath while hoping for change as I’ve become rather attached to living since, since being born? ( has it really been that long? Why yes it has I suppose, I mean if I’m really honest about it.)🤔🫢🫤😐🙄😬🫡🤐😶🫥
Seems like they are focusing more and more on software, but they need to do it quicker.