Zenless Zone Zero's EPIC ENDGAME and FULL REVIEW!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this Zenless Zone Zero video, we dive into the endgame of this beta or tuning test. I also show you pretty much everything you need to know about character progression and I talk about what I've learned about each character in terms of their playstyles and roles.
0:00 | Intro and Synopsis
0:53 | Character Leveling and Progression
8:27 | The Endgame
23:30 | Closing Statements
#zzz #zenlesszonezero - เกม
i think they should still keep the "you die you go back to the beginning" thing cuz thats the point of a rougelike , it makes the buffs /debuff you get from the tv section more impactful and its more risky
If you lose stamina though then that would be gamebreaking.
@@Kronman590 if it's anything like Genshin, you can play as much as you want, stamina will be used when collecting rewards.
@@Kronman590 you dont , i watched envi exit out of a level mid way without any rewards and he didnt lose any energy
@@Kronman590 You don’t stamina gates rewards, not attempts
@@emberthecatgirl8796 actually honkai do
PEN is a short from Penetration, the thing that penetrates defense. Impact is probably the thing that increases stagger on enemies.
There is tips in game menu where you can read about everything. I dont know why people cant read simple things while exploring new games, especially when its your job.
@@GerriFuryman and why are you replying to me like that? Are you high?
@@frandzederick like what? I dont blame you for anything, i just telling that there is in game menu that people like iwtl should read, and not asking someone in comments.
@@GerriFuryman you should comment him directly instead of replying mine. It seems like you're telling me i can't read. And it's not even my job.
@@GerriFuryman "i dont know why people cant read simple things" 🤓🤓🤓🤓
impact must be related to poise damage (hitstun) and PEN is definitely penetration (armor piercing) the ratio must mean the chance of penetrating and the other means the amount of damage it penetrates
That's what I'm thinking too
Or perhaps it is like in some MOBA games where % PEN refers to percentage of defense that is ignored (i.e. if your opponent has 1000 def and you have 10% PEN, you ignore 100 armor with your attacks) while regular PEN refers to flat amount of defense that is ignored (i.e. if you have 50 PEN, you ignore 50 def with your attacks)
Impact could mean faster shield breaking on some games too, so maybe faster yellow bar generation on attacks?
Impact stat would probably be the baseline stagger generation, seeing as each attack has a % multiplier value for stagger generation. As for PEN% and PEN, yeah it almost certainly refers to “penetration,” or armor piercing; based on how most Hoyoverse games go about stats, PEN% is likely the % chance for any of that character’s attacks to inflict penetration, while PEN itself is the amount of DEF reduced when penetration is inflicted. PEN stats would likely be optimal on a character designed to be used as the QTE in-between of your tank (stagger generator) and your main DPS, and would be used instead of crit stats on said characters if the choice was between crit and PEN. Basically, PEN stats are your support stats, akin to running 4-piece VV on an anemo unit in genshin, and for largely similar results.
It seems you didn't have enough time for this Test build cause majority of your questions were explained in game with NPC dialogs and comissions. Also saying Nicole doesn't have enough s when she literary is Immune while using her charged E is funny (her venti ability).
Ahh. I felt like I was always getting hit while trying to hold her E. That's good to know though, thanks.
I do appreciate that the challenge doesn't seem to be from timed dps checks and instead more traditional kinds of difficulty. I wish Genshin would shift that direction to some degree.
I’d like that too and share your preferences, but the issue with leaning toward player skill instead of player power is that a huge number and I’d wager majority of players are playing on mobile. Small screen + janky finicky touch controls + mechanical difficulty = frustration and a generally bad time. Even genshin, simple as it is, is pushing the limits of what the average person can handle with touchscreen controls. I actually used to think genshin was fairly difficult, then about a year in I decided to try it on pc with a controller and it instantly went from mildly difficult to piss easy, even with me being very comfortable with touch controls.
Happy to hear your fuller review after first impressions, glad you were very clear about it being first impressions in the last video!
I'm pretty excited for ZZZ. I do hope that there will be more monster variety and a meaningful co-op option.
I'm excited! AR 60 in Genshin here. I hope this slaps. So far the aesthetics are on point.
Imagine people like us who reached ar 60 5 months ago, nowdays all day one players are ar 60 since it became f2p achievable 1 month ago
@Alamán Ok
@@yesno1085 anytime, ar 60 stopped being a flex a month ago
Yeah being a Day 1 player and Ar 60, really bored right now. Already built all the meta and non meta characters, being able to clear Abyss full stars each reset, there's really nothing to do now.
same ar 60 5 months ago but has not completed all the missions and 100% all islands cause igot really bored
The icons below the name show whether the character deals slashing, piercing or blunt damage, and what type of damage they deal (phyiscal, fire, wind or lightning).
In case of Nekomiya, she's a slashing type that deals physical damage.
I kinda like that there are no healers and you have to start all the way over makes the game more tense and prevents people from running away and healing constantly. This also allows them to not have to worry about a timer which I absolutely hate timers in action games.
It’s confirmed that there will be healers and shielders
There will be healers, but the thing is this is a hack n slash. Just like honkai you dodge.
thank you for your amazing coverage of the game man, its the only game i been hyped for since elden ring and its soo good to know that it appears to be as good or better than i expected. I literally cant wait to sink many many hours into this game when it relases xD
Not sure what Impact is, they might have just added it since ZZZ doesn't have "impact" in the name.
Pen is most likely penetration; pen being a flat value, and %pen that reduces a target's def by that % .
In other games, let's say the enemy has 200 Def and you have 10% pen and 10 flat pen; the enemy defense your attacks see when damage calculation occurs will be (200 - 10) * (1.00 - 0.10) = 171.5 DEF.
I'm using Smite for this example.
Skill ability: (200 +50%atk)
Atk: 200
%Pen: 10% pen
Flat Pen: 10 pen
Enemy Def: 100
Active Def = (Enemy Def - Flat Pen) * (1 - %Pen)
= (100 - 10)* (1 - 0.1) = 81 Def
DMG Output = (Skill ability) * [100/(100+Active Def)]
= (200 + 0.5*200) * [100/(100+81)] = 166 DMG
In this game, %Pen is much better against tanky enemies (Def > 100), and flat pen is better against squishies (Def
Man there is literally in game menu "tips" about everything. There you can find guides about stats, gameplay, Ui and other things. But 90% people cant read and just skip everything and then don't understand what they doing.
"Impact" in honkai and by extension genshin is supposed to be a neon genesis reference lmao
Dont think it means the same here
@@GerriFuryman you mean about this game? I haven't played it so I haven't gone looking that in depth
@@johnkneeboi369 yes, game explain everything, but most people dont even try to find information. Especially streamers and TH-cam content creators nowadays just to lazy to explore before share.
@@Kronman590 i never thought about that..
The icons under the name indicate the type of the attack and type of damage dealt.
For attack types, they are displayed to the left and we have slashing (the spiral symbol), piercing (the bullet symbol) and blunt (boxing glove) damage. It will most likely be used in a weakness system, with certain enemies being strong or weak against some attack types. Typically slash is strong against unshielded targets, pierce works well against enemies with physical armor and blunt deals increased damage to energy shields.
For damage types/elements, look to the right symbol, we currently have Physical, Fire, Ice, Lightning and Wind, marked by an explosion, a flame, a 6-armed star, a thunderbolt and a circle in that order.
For example, Nekomata uses slashing attacks to deal physical damage, but Von Lycaon (butler) uses blunt attacks to deal ice damage. It is worth pointing out that elemental characters often still deal limited amounts of physical damage with their basic attacks. Additionally, Aokaku (Oni) has both slashing and blunt listed in her character together with dealing Wind damage, which means that we might get characters with multiple attack types and elements.
PS: please correct me if I’m wrong, I didn’t get the beta and that’s all just scavenged from streams
I hope they keep the difficulty so genshin could be the easy casual game while some of the more hardcore people get zzz, i think thats a good way to balance players
High difficulty game already exists, it's called honkai.
ZZZ looks like a PGR made by Hoyoverse 😒
Yeah, and i hope that their way of making it hard isn't just higher health and bigger damage. Like add more attack patterns or something
@@getampedmiku12 honkai's control scheme is horrible on the PC, it's also very old and has very bad graphics for today.
@@minhucovu6321 lol. Lmao even
Seeing the equipment just gives me trauma from artifact farming
Right!
I know right. Uuuuugh.
At least you can sacrifice useless artifacts to reroll.
You should be able to do something like farming flintstone in Minecraft by breaking and replacing the same block of gravel, but with artifacts
@@wisgarus Yes im fine with farming but the worst part is that you have limited attempts per day. For example if you can only break a gravel 4 times per day and if you get no flint, you have to wait 18 hours to try again. That is the worst part.
@@shuysnoopy there cannot have incentives to become a non life in games like that.
I'm happy they don't allow infinite farming
This is looking pretty cool! Thanks for the overview Mr. IWinToLose :).
As both a Genshin and Honkai player, this game is waaay more Honkai Impact than Genshin Impact in terms of similarities but I dig it, it's looking good
and the farm for artifacts is probably 100000x better than the one in genshin,holy shit farming artifacts in genshin is straight up torture
@@yamagamikensei2232 Don't jinx it. People said that for HSR and look how poorly that aged. If ZZZ's system ends up as HSR's is 100000x WORSE than the one in Genshin.
@@oyshikaadi9631 at least in honkai i dont need to play, just press on auto and go do something else, but yeah holy fuck the rates for the substats are complete shit
I think the first icon shows what type of attacks they do(slashing, blunt, etc) and the second one is their element
The artifacts and ascensions are like the same concept from Cookie Run: Kingdom, can't wait to play this when it gets released
for me the TV hopping experience is kinda refreshing. it's like having a break in-between battles.
I don't really understand why some people don't enjoy that aspect as much. but then again I didn't get a tuning test qualification so actually playing through with my own hands might change my mind.
I missed the beta for this game but it looks like a banger
I'm loving Nicole and she's my main :))
Hoping for more improvements.
Genshin is gonna be my side game when Tower of Fantasy and ZZZ are globally released ^_^
Me too, finally some new good games!
Im so exited for this game
Maybe I'm the only one who thought it would be more a rogue like/lite with a Permadeath side, die and you start again from the beginning or have a real build wich changes the gameplay idk
(In the end is like autopoesis maze in pgr?)
Maze in PGR? If you die there you restart that stage not the whole maze so the system here in ZZZ is closer to roguelike coz when you die you restart the whole commission w/o rewards
@@senelclark101 oh okay, i wasn't sure ^^
Have you ever played any rogue likes before? Like had some experience with it or are you a newbie in them? As a roguelike lover and enjoyer, this game really grabs my attention! I never imagined the thought of gacha roguelike made by hoyoverse, it sounds like when it releases its gonna be pretty cool!
@HyperDrive nice, never played any of the honkai, keeping my eye out on star rail but zzz i have hopes as a roguelike
The rouge-like element really gives ZZZ a completely different feel than genshin, honkai, or star rail. I'm quite interested in it too. We know hoyo is good at designing appealing characters and their stories already, so as long as they can nail down the combat system, progression system, and most importantly the game economy as well, this game will probably do great. My main concern is the business model to be honest.
Right now we have no idea what the gacha system is gonna be like and what stuff are gonna be on the gacha. Gacha for the characters is pretty much expected, but we don't know if anything else like good equipment or character dupes or whatever else are also locked behind a paywall and how impactful they will be. If the discrepancy between whale and f2p is too much, it's not gonna be enjoyable for f2p to play, they will feel super weak compared to the spenders. At the same time, if the discrepancy is too little, then there would be no incentive for people to whale, so the game won't sell well and it'll die pretty fast. So there has to be a fine balance, and I hope they can do good. I have faith though because Hoyo have proven their money-making skills already through Honkai and Genshin.
@@johnmc9073 star rails also have rouglike mode
Now, the most important question, do you see the character hangout randomly in the main world lobby? I feel like i saw billy and neko in some area but i dont know if it was quest/lore related or just fun interaction thingy with your characters.
You do. The characters hangout the hub at certain times specially the three standard characters(Billy, nicole, and andy)
Not resetting the run after death in a rouguelike is equivalent of a shooter's game without anything to shoot. It essentially takes away the genre.
Yeah I'm glad this is more punishing endgame than Genshin. Hopefully the monsters are actually hard though. Not just stat sticks that you need to upgrade to beat.
PEN maybe like shield breaking, comparable to Genshin's elemental shield breaking, since shields in this game are more utilized in all monsters and you need them for QTE combos and stuff, so it makes sense
As much as i loved exploring in Genshin, i played Honkai first and I had no problem with not exploring, we had places like A Post Honkai Odessy, Sakura Samsara(?) And the HQ where you walked around doing things. Their scales are not as big as in Genshin but it was enough for me considering that I rarely have free time, I just want to brawl. It is understandable as to why some people would want it to be open world though
I'm excited for this because it brings back the memories and vibes of ps2 hack and slash adventure light rpg's
In BHO, pen is from Pennetration, for PVP purpose. So our attack can penetrate player's defense/armor. Generally speaking, it's damage increase VS other player
IWTL - 'describes his playing experience and recommends game for it'
Me - 'just watching those cute ears and 2 tails that gives pure bliss not only for eyes(and heart) but ears as well'
I'm liking how the game looks like, it's not too bright and it has a good vibe of it
The main thing that popped out at me in this video, Corin = Noelle 😎
the 10 hours mark reminds me the 10 hrs iwtl spend to fish “the catch”
I like what I have seen so far from this game and Honkai: Star Rail.
I really want them to be buy to play with only a few expansions as DLCs (no live-service games), that will also require less time compared to Genshin. I feel like people will start to be tired out of their games if they have to focus on multiple of their games for long periods of time (like they need to do with Honkai 3rd and Genshin).
Also, there is no need for extra cash after the initial buy (no shops, gacha, or battle passes), miHoYo already earns more than enough with Genshin, and a few small buy to play titles that will expand the universe will be great and still bring them a good amount of cash.
The non-human characters make me very excited. My least favorite thing about genshin is that all the characters use the same models. I love this game mixes things up!
Furry
Are you one of those lizard people?
I mean its easy to do that since this game is not an open world
Yeah. We need new models in genshin. It's been two years already. We need something new.
Ngl, as excited as I am, 30 minutes for one stage is crazy
I realy want to play this game
The words "challenging" and "difficult" take a whole new dimension after playing "from software" games. I'm afraid any difficulty might be overcome just by leveling and min/maxing characters.
Hopefully late game mission will still be a challenge even with a maxed team and the right buffs. But I doubt it, because it would mean they'd be unbeatable for people who don't know the meta. So I think it's inevitable this game will become too easy once you optimized everything outside of the combat area.
Funnily enough, its the old Arcade games that truly bring the challenge. FromSoft games, even after having played all (from AC to ER), get very very predictable.
Who knows? Maybe the roguelike aspect will give this game a fair bit of vertical difficulty.
Some character attack and skills looks exactly like some character in punishing gray raven
The part i enjoyed the most in this video is still Genshin music. Lol.
After checking out Tower of Fantasy, Wuthering Waves and Zenless Zone Zero, it makes me realize how good is Genshin and i wonder if any future game of the same genre can dethrone it.
I don't think I'll be playing this game though if I ever get to play in a beta it might sway me one way or another. I like many of the concepts of this game but so far the characters don't attract me as much as Genshin's or Honkai's. I'm very much hyped for Honkai Star Rail though and I pray I'll be able to play one of the betas.
By the way, I was really interested by the character segment you did and would really like to see gameplay from each of them!
"Gatcha for artifacts". This statement killed my soul.
since end game isn't time-based like Honkai or Genshin Abyss, that means stats like DEF and HP aren't dead stats. Already that's a huge plus.
We don't really know if this is "endgame". This is "endgame" of his 10 hours in the beta. We can tell this because his characters are only lvl 40 and I doubt that is the max level for characters.
I dont think he knows that blue oni can give a 70% attack buff when he said everyone is a dps
70% atk buff to everyone? how accessible is the buff and whats the uptime cos that seems broken ngl
Eyo 70%!? She is probably gonna get nerf lol
Damn thought it would be more open world like Genshin XP
I like how it looks and I do hope there is a coop aspect of it but I dont think Mihoyo makes coop games lol
Don't worry about endgame. I'm completely sold just for the asthetics.
so what you really want to do in future just staring those characters?
@@ilahazs use them in story based stages. Endgame isn't everything
flat pen and percentage pen are stats that can ignore armor so if you have enemies with low armor flat pen is better and with high armor percentage pen is better
the ship store thing is almost a fragmen shop from honkai
So the star system is like constellation BUT, this might give you one impression that they MIGHT give you a whole character for free as a demo version or at least grinding for them that is not related to gacha, BUT if you want them to be stronger you will need to roll for them in the banner. So you don't pull for characters, you pull for tokens to upgrade them
Doubt. Honkai has a more similar system… the tokens are used for initial unlock and the first star is the same cost as the first pull amount(in this case 10) so likely you will need to pull a character 11 times to max them
@@calebhogan590 Then it would be even shittier of a gacha system
@@calebhogan590 doesnt honaki have some characters where they start as s ranks and some that start of b rank. like im pretty sure you can have an A rank s ranks and ss rank seele but you cant have an a rank vermillion knight eclipse. from zzz beta seems like everyone starts with 1 star, and from what ive heard there arent a group of characters that are clearly surperior so hopefully the characters all start at he same point (1 star) and improve at similar rates to each other depending on who you build
Being a Beta is very hard to pinpoint the gacha system
Genshin Beta gave character by email a lot of times for people to try it
Hope the game stays hard and not just time based challenges
are you going to cover / make any content for tower of fantasy?
when you die in roguelike you lose all progress. im fine with that. Makes the challenge of surviving that much more important. also considering there is perfect dodging with i frames as well as alot of skills of characters with i frames. gotta abuse those mechanics :,) super excited for this game tbh
I'm interested in the elements the characers can wield and if its similar to Genshin ( Pyro, Hydro, Cryo etc)
TH-cam algorithm don’t be showing me this until the game is finally out thank u
Yaaay
I really hope this game comes on console
I main Soldier 11... She's fun
so far the only kinda downside is that there is not a free party and it seems more like changing between party members works turn based.
If that gets changed simply into something like genshin it would be great
Wait, Komeda is a Belebog.
Now where did I saw that
I wish I got the beta. Signed up pretty early but I guess it doesnt matter since mihoyo picks who gets in
Awesome we now have a high and smooth quality graphics of hyped hoyoverse characters on a tv menu simulator honkai zone zero impact.
I hooope the keep the no time limit thing, like I get the DPS speed thing for endgame stuff, but it kinda forces the game to be less strategic and more DUST THOSE ****CHURLS lol
Inspired by Dohna Dohna's Artstyle as well as the gameplay.
Well that's nice , leveling is almost same as in honkai , icons are specialties for that character , honkai have same , u can browse characters by their specialty
Does anybody know what the music is called at roughly 4:05 ish? I hear it in every one of his videos but cant seem to find the song itself
If you try play Koleda and Ben, They have cool team combo burst
My question is, and has been, will we need to Gacha characters initially once the game is out?
Am I going to get a character I don't want (Butler Dog) before I get the one character I do want (Pink Haired Waifu)?
Too soon to know
I do understand the person that said that the Ults seem kinda underwhelming as they are like the characters skills, I do hope the Ults get become different from the skills
4:07 I think you didn't quite understand what these Stars means. It's more like Genhin's leveling-Ascension (and it literally says "Ascenssion" in the game).
Ascensions in Genshin also increases base stats + unocks Talents as well.
You can even see a "primogem" Stars in the Genhin's Character Window, where character starts with 0 Stars... and each ascension adds +1 (up to 6 Stars).
This is the exactly same thing in ZZZ, so, pretty sure you can't level up past 20/40 lvl without doing that.
PEN - probably penetration as in shield penetration. Probably something they haven't implemented yet.
Is it just me but this game reminds me of the early concept art of Alchemy Stars. Mostly just thought this because one of the chars look like Sinsa
Ohh the icons on Nekomata seemed to be impair and physical damage. They are the same in Honkai Impact 3rd.
Can you please do more review on the characters that you don't have experience with?? I really like the way you explains things and I'm curious about Anby and Miyabi's kit and their feats
You should try Soldier 11
Why do i feel like the infinity symbol on character menu shows their usage duration....
Guess we looking forward to IW2L’s guides for this game in the future
Seems like they’re really enjoying it so far :D
i hope it remains as harsh when you lose, that's the true roguelike experience.
I really want to play this game but ill wait for the final version
Btw why dont yout want to name genshin, honkai and other games?
this would be helpful if i could play it
Love the aesthetic of the game but idk for the gameplay… seems repetitiv like just smash atk button and dodge
For a game based on combat a hope they will improve the gameplay to be more deep
It looks like the most important thing in this game is just knowing the enemy tells. Everything else will help your clears a bit, but yeah--looks like mash button, dodge, use QTE. Maybe the combos of characters and which QTE's you use first begin to create a meta needed for higher content? Its all so early, so who knows?
Looks awesome . But its another solo game and no coop ?
Probably will have co-op too. But is beta
@@pontoancora And its Hoyo, so even if they do, it will be heavily restricted to a few basic activities at best.
When is the c6 Kazuha showcase coming ????????
I'm concerned with low amount of enemies at each given time for beat em up gameplay.
PEN: probably penetration? for enemies with shield bars.
will i main the maid, just like that other game👀
I hope this game has a parry system
begging them to change the stamina system or at least give you a lot more of it/something to do outside of stamina
Begging them to get rid of the artifact system too. I hate it so much, it was bad in genshin, and it made levelling up characters in star rail suck too. Wish we could just create the gear we want with enough time and farming
@@butter4104 Guess it wouldn't be a gacha without rng gear. But I do have to admit it feels like shit. I've spent over 20 fuel on the atk set in star rail alone and I haven't gotten a single piece to show for it. It makes it really hard to want to keep grinding when your luck is THAT bad. It arguably felt better in genshin, so at the least I hope this game has better rates or something. Maybe a system where you can exchange a certain amount of artifacts or artifact points to select a main stat piece or something, that way if your luck IS that terrible (like mine) I would at least be able to exchange all my garbage artifacts for a mainstat I'm looking for.
Impact is for your QTE damage
avoids mentioning genshin. also uses genshin music as background lmao. I'm hyped for ZZZ to come out whenever that may be.
If I play this how often will I have to buy a new mouse?
Because it seems like the game play is "left-click".
usually pen is the armor shred
I just hope all good system of Honkai Impact 3 is implemented on this game cause is use fast battle system.
I see some of honkai system is already implemented like QTE
upgrade rank/star of char is using chip similar to honkai shard
Char special ability like slash, ice damage etc (maybe) show by the icon on below char name
But some system that I dont like from genshin also implemented in here like
Level Ascension, hope this will be removed on final release or maybe on end game just like honkai just pull all exp chip to the max char level.
disk is more artifact so is base your luck
8:50 I feel is similar like elysian realm on honkai cause you can select buff and play through many floor or level...
I hope it comes to ps
I was waiting for Soldier 11...
when you're early and you don't know what to say
Love the way they are taking more inspiration from Honkai, that’s a step in the right direction, upgrading system of genshin is severely flawed imo, too much work and it’s even time gated
Nah, terrible to only upgrade one level of each char when we go up one level in captain level.
Take too long after 70.
In genshin is very fast until 55 and in that level we already can max our chars.
character fragments/chips. classic honkai.
yeah there prob will be chars who start with higher stars.
>Lv.1 Miyabi
huh..... I guess IWTL's not *motivated* enough to main her.....