I have experienced this first hand many years ago. When I used to work in a hospital on maternity, a lady died in main delivery. The consultant at the time , missed the fact that the woman was bleeding out. The midwife raised the alarm but it was too late to save the poor woman. There was a court case and the consultant got away with it and guess who got blamed? The poor midwife. I was absolutely sickened to how a hospital could act like that. That gave me the eye opener as to the fact that they can put the blame on anyone other than the actual person who was at fault. Absolutely sickening and disgusting 😡
Obviously I don't have all the information, but from what you've written, the midwife would have been the one to miss the fact that the woman was bleeding out. The midwife is the professional who is with the mother for the majority of labour. They are responsible for monitoring the condition of both mother and baby. A consultant would only be called if the midwife found a problem. If haemorrhage was missed, that would have been the midwife who didn't pick up on it during her observations. I'm a nurse, and I would stand up for my midwife colleague if they hadn't made an error, but I can only go on the information I have here, and I would say the midwife would have been the most culpable in this case. It seems she didn't raise the alarm early enough.
@ The thing is, she did at the time the baby was born. After the baby was out, the alarm was raised by the midwife of the bleeding. The baby was a C Section and so it was the consultant who did the operation. She missed the bleeding and so the poor woman sadly passed away. I worked with the poor ladies sister in law. I was the one that had to go through the medical notes and saw it all written down as it all happened. I did the admin for it and learnt of it when my shift started. I listened to everyone’s account of what happened. There were others there too whom I worked very close with and they confirmed what happened.
I can attest that they try and put the blame on anyone. I was caring for my mother full-time when she fell and broke her ankle in the house. She had to undergo an emergency operation and the next morning she had a stroke. Instead of taking her from the orthopaedic ward to ICU or at least the stroke ward they left her in a single room and sat back and did nothing hoping she would die. It's a long story and I fought them tooth and nail. She held on for 10 days in extreme discomfort because no tracheotomy had been performed eventually she died of pneumonia which was a blessing of sorts. Less than 2 hours after she died one of the scumbag doctors called me and asked me to "approve" the death cert. WTAF?! I refused. She then said that if I didn't they would have to inform the procurator fiscal and an investigation into the circumstances leading up to my mother's death would be carried out. I didn't realise she was threatening me and I just replied "Do what you want." A couple of days later I got a call from a police officer - I was under investigation for my mother's death! After a stressful 10 minutes or so she asked me, "Do you have any concerns over how your mother was treated in the hospital?" I replied, "I have a timeline." and almost immediately I was no-longer a suspect. Unreal! 🤬
I AGREE WITH YOU ...... (if she's guilty then she's more clever than Harry Houdini) . From listening to "Crimescene2Court" .......... even stupid me was able to hear that the prosecution was making omissions not only of her innocence ..... (inbetween "parking" the odd lost life)........ and it was Lucy who had to correct him and ask him what patient was he talking about ????
The way Lucy has been treated is absolutely disgusting. From looking into it myself, I think it's another case of a British institution trying to cover tracks for its own failings to protect the public from harm. Those children dying and their families having to go through all this to send a woman to prison as a result is just vile.
Unfortunately too few are listening and the media is set against her . One thing for certain this affair will not do recruitment for nurses easy any young lady going into nursing needs her head examining.. Jayaram is a full blown liar
@itsmeagain7825 unfortunately it certainly isn't that simple... knowing the countess and the staff working there, the eye sees but the powers hide . It is simply my opinion that led me to comment . So let's not get into the ins and outs, as I'll guarantee we don't know the half of it
1000% ?????..... YES ..... prey WHO was the CPS lady describing her character ????.......... that's not her job !!! . (i confess i believed she was initially.... after listening to "hype" but i am wrong) . Thanks to Mark Myers...Carl Perkins and others 🙂 . What surprises me is that the residing Judge didn't constantly "halt" the trial ..(almost continuously) to ensure that no "culture" was furnished on the jury ......... as they are very well learned indeed
It should also be added that, however much the families want this to be over, if LL was not responsible for their babies’ deaths, they have not got the answers they so badly need nor do they have justice.
@@Ali-Bea it’s convenient to blame Lucy Letby if the convict a scapegoat for murder then the compensation is much less than they would need to pay for hospital NEGLIGENCE
@@Marielawlor-mz6nf if she's a scapegoat explain how the Consultants new about the searches , the sheets and the notes. I don't want an explanation of all those things, just an explanation how two Consultants knew about those three things
If you were a parent of a dead child, which would be of more comfort to you: to believe that they died of natural causes as so many babies do, or to believe that they were murdered by a nurse? I can hardly believe that any of the parents is satisfied by this verdict, nor that they will derive much comfort from knowing that someone else is suffering so badly as LL, when she may be completely innocent.
The big problem for Lucy is because all of the guilty who put her there including the Police Judges solicitors consultants so call doctors etc etc can be shown up for being corrupt and guilty can they ? easier to keep Lucy where she is to avoid embarrassment and more trials for those involved makes me sick
A retrial shouldn't be necessary. There must be a way of declaring that there's no case to answer and freeing her without the trauma of a retrial. I hope the process doesn't take decades, as in other cases.
Looking at each piece of evidence all of it is conjecture, theory and hypothesis. This should never have been heard in court in the first place. An inquiry needs to be held to find out how we got.to where we are now
@@jopiez1 What suspicions? The medical evidence has been roundly discredited by numerous consultant neonatologists and the spreadsheet evidence has been comprehensively debunked by eminent statisticians from The Royal Statistical Society. All the other evidence is specious and worthless. In this case there is no murderer, unlike the Colin Stagg case, so no matter what happens there will always be people who believe Lucy Letby is guilty!
To wait 16 years for a crime you didn't commit?? God help England!!!!! A refusal to allow Appeal took less than a day....!! This is in itself shocking, I was most unhappy how easy it was to dismiss bias, with all the information now out there, this case should be given top priority - including the other person who is rotting in jail!!! Shame on you England!!
I wish i had not read your post ,it makes me feel worse being all too aware of how the police conduct enquiries ,how the media lie , how the courts fail to deliver justice . now we know the NHS is run like a Soviet tractor factory ,with arrogant incompetent so called doctors who are in fact just MHCPs all too prepared to lie for revenge
You have to remember, courts are not about justice, but law. The more difficult the case, the more the judge will try to put justice out of his mind and concentrate on the letter of the law, to absolve himself from any responsibility. Many of the factors that we may think justify an appeal, are ruled out by law. If evidence was not presented by the defence by their own choice, it cannot be the basis of an appeal. Only new evidence that was not available at the time can be used for appeal. This film mainly refers to evidence which could and probably should have been presented by the defence at the time, or to prosecution evidence which should have been challenged. I don't think a poorly presented defence can be grounds for an appeal.
I do believe Lucy is innocent and it breaks my heart to think of what has been done to her. Nothing will ever make this right but I hope those working for her freedom will succeed and get her home asap. 🙏
There are more and more people trying to get the colossal doubts out there, and less and less people who refuse to acknowledge them. If only things could go faster.
@@robinhood4640 I heard someone from The Innocence Project in the USA saying, public pressure is the best way to get a case re-examined and overturned.
@@robinhood4640 The sad thing is that there will always be some trolls who want her to be guilty, one replied to me here. These people belong in the 17th century.
@@ruthbashford3176 I am more and more convinced that those who will forever want her to be guilty, only want her to be guilty because it means they were right to believe she was guilty. It becomes about them, not about her or the babies. It no longer matters for them the ins and the outs of what happened. The facts will always be deformed, just as they have been for most of us to believe she is guilty. Our inability to question our beliefs has always hindered society and it probably always will, unless we learn to stop believing things. Maybe just acknowledging they are beliefs would suffice. At least we could then have discussions with those who don't believe things to be the same as we do. It's generally only when we forget we are defending a belief that things get out of hand. It is easy to understand why we burned witches, even if it does seem preposterous to us now. So i am afraid i disagree with your view that they belong in the 17th century. They fit in just fine in the 21st century, unfortunately.
@@ruthbashford3176 I see your point? but there are always going be someone , some thats says something, and refers back to this? it sould put to bed once and for all, and full blowen trial is the only way, and do mean full, all on open courts, fully telavised, on prim time TV, and with apanel experts, just footbal, boxing match, explaning all more find grity bits, so everyong know's 101% that this person not guiltly or have anything answer for? and as for blaming the jury that out side of the remit of the jury. the jury are told facts, and pesentages if how reloable the fact are, and so called experted gaged on what they say? and how they can say it, if at all say anything? the hole case was house of cards, and and to beleave, hole jury, did now anything of the case? some of them must felt it there duity find some way, in at least some deaths, try there best, help with conviction? even when there evedece what not there? but this where judge sould stepped in at every stage of the trial, and even before the proper trial started, at all like where's the evedence?
The police I believe conspired with CPS ,and allowed them selves to be controlled by the doctors >Evans was a paid liar . We know from past events how they operate you only need to look at the Collin Stag case or Barry George they will go to any lengths to convict anyone in the picture as they say
Lucy's trial was nothing but a witch trial, reminiscent of 17th century witch trials. Dr Dewi Evans must be the reincarnation of the Witchfinder General, Matthew Hopkins. He is the one who should be in prison for perjury along with his co-conspirators who agreed with his nonsense.
See also the Manchester hoax 'bomb' and the compelling evidence of Richard D Hall, who also suffered a calculated miscarriage of justice, courtesy of the broken, most lowdown 'High' Court.
Absolutely phenomenal resume of what has come to light since the end of the trials. Perfect for sharing with anyone who is on the fence about Lucy. Thank you, whoever you are, for calling Lucy, Lucy, instead of Letby. This film is so concise and punchy! Great work, thank you!
agreed, a good summary... I believe Lucy is innocent, and the responsibility for the deaths lies elsewhere. There is more than enough evidence to demonstrate a miscarriage of justice.
Judith Moritz almost tripped over herself in excitement as she rushed from the court to tell the news. Judith as had a lot to say about the way Lucy reacted in court, strange behaviour as she saw it. But cannot the same be said about Ms Moritz unusual reporting?
Liz Hull and Judith Moritz are similar, and like the jury they were subjected day after day, week after week, to Harri wing stories of the last moments of tiny babies’ lives. They ended up just as convinced as the jury members. Probably severely traumatised, too. I understand their behaviour.
I stopped listening to the mainstream media in 2018 when I started to realise how much propaganda is being pushed. I also had doubts about her conviction from the start, just looking at her face and a gut instinct, inside something was telling me that this wasn’t right.
Superb video bringing together many of the grave concerns that the public have over these convictions and the manner in which they were brought about.The Thirlwall Inquiry has about as much credibility as Dewi Evans.
@@LucyLetbyFilms I wonder if baby K's family were seeking legal action. It might say something about why Jayaram came up with his story after over a year of saying nothing.
yet you plod will believe any he-said she-said uncorroborated rape accusation, call complainants "victims" and say come forward we will BELIEVE YOU. ideologically driven dickheads
Lucy Letby should be immediately freed, exonerated and compensated (although no amount of money could make up for what Lucy has been through). No retrial is needed in this case.
@@jerryodonovan8624 Lucy is NOT a monster, she was a caring competent nurse who only did her best to help the babies she looked after. The babies she was supposed to have murdered had post mortems and were found to have died from natural causes and, no doubt, suboptimal care. If there had been any suspicion of foul play the Coroner would have been informed and the babies examined by a forensic pathologist.
An excellent summary of the key issues that prove Lucy Letby's innocence. Shame on the Police, the Consultants, the Management and the prosecution witness Dr Evans! The overwhelming amount of evidence should secure Lucy's release. It is up to all those that believe in her to continue to raise this issue and hopefully Mark Macdonald moves ever nearer to the application to the CCRC. This must not be allowed to be delayed and an innocent woman must not spend her best years in a prison cell l!!!!.
As someone who has also suffered false accusations of extremely serious crimes - for political reasons, to protect the real criminals - I can see straightaway that Lucy is innocent and is being framed to protect the people whose failings caused the babies' deaths. Also for political reasons by the way.
@LittleKitty22 yes. Planted evidence recovered by the dicks who held authority position to prosecute the fruits of the find. Unfortunately in 1999 DNA was on the cusp of developing science and I insisted they prove a link with the stolon items or I would pay to establish no link. The whole fiasco is what we now call the Horizon scandal and this was the first post office investigator to be given a free hit on perjury. His name is Alan Hoole and his "arrest" conducted Jan 14th 1998 on behalf of Mandy Talbot providing evidence to the Horizon enquiry in Sept 2023 after 2700 justice miscarriages they were aware of in 1999. Hope you ok
Yes. Relentless fit up fest. Bribes witness intimidation fabricated evidence subverted courts embarrassed counsel recused chairman and a legal bill to the taxpayer of 390 million pounds to 2024. See Alan Bates ITV drama and imagine if police were part of the cover up since 1999. Correcting justice won't help the 4 suicides
The more I hear about this case and the amount and type of information NOT shared with the jury, *the more I am convinced she is innocent.* I believe she was framed to mask incompetence and negligence at a high level in that Chester hospital.
On Saturday 4th January we should all fill Facebook with Happy Birthday messages of Best wishes for Lucy, We need to let the whole world know we stand by her and Know she's Innocent.
It baffles me at how you can condemn someone to a life sentence without presenting key evidence for the defence. I think she is probably innocent & has been made a scapegoat. I hope if she is innocent she is cleared in the end.
A new jury need to see this video. It's very clear and straight to the point and easy to understand, I have always said that Lucy is 100% Innocent and made a scapegoat for egotistical Drs who were blaming her for their mistakes and also out of revenge for her reporting them for their poor practices, also the poor Jury was blocked from seeing the whole picture of what was happening in that hospital, the jury can only go of what they have been told unlike the NHS bosses and police and the courts who have all behaved appallingly. Lucy and the male gentleman both need to be released straight away. The people at the top who are responsible for both these cases need to be made accountable for what they did and didn't do. otherwise, how can any lessons ever be made.
@HENNAtabasun1990 yes, I get that, but the fact that no one in the jury questioned the integrity of the evidence put before them in this trial is what I'm getting at. You'd hope that a jury could see when something wasn't right. But this never seems to happen in these circumstances. You'd also hope that a judge could do the same of course - but again that never seems to happen.
@ForkCandle123 I don't blame the jury , they trusted the legal system, believing that they had all the facts put before them. Unfortunately, that definitely wasn't the case. They weren't even told about baby Noah Robinson, who died from gross failings at the hands of one of the Drs who accused Lucy of harming the babies but the hospital have even refused to give out all the details of which Dr it was , The parents were in the process of suing the hospital for their babies death caused by one of them 2 Drs who are blaming Lucy and the hospital have been allowed to put the hearing on hold to focus on Lucy. I believe blaming Lucy for sudden deathes in that unit is a massive distraction and a complete cover-up on how poor and how bad the Drs and the managers practices were at that hospital, and Lucy is a very convenient scapegoat,.
@LucyLetbyFilms One day, hopefully before we are dead, this case will be studied as a textbook case of a frameup by the prosecutor. This complete idiot's guide to a frameup needed the compliance of the judge and the defence. I'm not saying the judge or the defence was in on the frameup, I don't know. But they should have spoken up against the prosecutor
@@richardmullins44 It would be the best possible outcome if a) Lucy is freed as soon as possible and then b) the case is indeed studied as a way to reform the entire system. This isn't the first time it has happened, and courts in other countries have fallen for the same mistakes. We can now see pretty clearly the multiple flaws that led to catastrophe. The sooner all this can be publicly acknowledged, and corrective measures put in to stop it happening again, the better.
Its clear to me that some one or some group were determined to accuse and bend evidence to achieve a verdict of murder. They obviously had muder on their mind and were going to prove it by any means available to them.
Thankyou for such a hard hitting and professional piece. Obviously there is alot more to this miscarriage of justice that can be shown in 15 minutes, I hope to see more of these, as this information needs to get out to the public as much as possible. Thankyou again
Great video. Many thanks for the dose of realism. Immense public pressure on MPs is the only way to get LL out of prison. Hassle your MP and hassle your friends to hassle their MP and never give up shouting about it!
@ what do think? .Most would say she is guilty as hell,with no real evidence only doctors opinions on what could have happened,it just doesn’t add up.Its looking like the jury was miss lead more experts opinions are coming to light now after the trial.
Superb video bringing together many of the grave concerns the public have over these convictions and the manner in which they were brought about. The Thirlwall Inquiry has about as much credibility as Dewi Evans.
The NHS is well known for denying and covering up their failings. There's more holes in this case than a swiss cheese and they're going to do everything possible to avoid it coming out. Serious questions also need to be asked about the original defence team. With so many failures was it a failure of competency? A "token" defence that they didn't want to do? Or most seriously were they "lent on" to just go through the motions and then abandon her in the system as the scapegoat for NHS failures?
Thank god we don't have the death penalty anymore. Can you imagine what the situation would be, if it was still on the books? So much bias, omitted evidence and flaws in the case. Feels ever more like a re-run of the Sally Clarke case as more details emerge.
Another excellent video. Have you heard the news of Lucy's original police mugshot? Apparently the press photo shopped it to make her look more sinister, cold and inhuman than she appeared in the image. Crazy stuff and yet more reasons to question the validity and safety of this conviction. Keep up the good work, friend. You have earned another subscriber.
I thought there was something amiss at the original trial when her supervisors did not give evidence, the very people who had praised and defended her, and had urged her to undertake higher studies.
I followed this case, and as someone who has performed jury service, I was shocked to see her convicted on what I saw as a lack of real evidence. Everything was circumstancial and hearsay at best. At the time I commented this, plus the fact that after my experience of jury service I wouldn't have any faith in any jury myself.....I just got called a Letby simp 😆👍✌️
I'd say there's a good argument to get rid of juries and just have everything tried by a panel of judges, similar to the other non-criminal courts and the magistrates. Unfortunately we don't have anything like enough judges. Interestingly enough, the trial judge at Letby's two trials actually pulled a megachad move at an earlier trial in 2017. He used a very rare legal power to dismiss the jury and try the case himself, because the jury were being intimidated no end by the defendants' friends and relatives. On one occasion someone deliberately set off the fire alarm in the court to take photos of the jurors outside and harrass them. That didn't end well. The scumbag defendants were convicted by the judge anyway and got long prison sentences.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 There are options. In Scandinavia, they have professional juries instead of picking random people. There's the obvious option of having a jury of medical professionals in medical cases. Or, having the evidence reviewed by a panel of medical 'expert witnesses' prior to trial.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 My own jury service was a terrible experience for me..... Several of my jurors wanted to convict the accused purely because 'He looks like he could have done it' and 'Well he does live in (such and such really rough part of town.)' I did argue with them about that attitude but it's a real thing and I guess it has happened many times before 👍✌
As there was no case to answer for Lucy Letby there should be no retrial. However it would appear that many including the judge and procecutor should be on trial for kidnapping, false imprisonment, character assination of this Nurse.
There is too much doubt in this case, whether she is guilty or not, convictions based on circumstancial evidence should always be subject to periodic review.
And still Thirlwall drags pointlessly on. What a mess! We’ll need a public enquiry into why we went ahead with a public enquiry about how murders were committed despite there being serious doubts that any murders had been committed.
Just about sums it up! Thirwall cost about £3m up to March IIRC. Money well spent. (Though to be fair some of the evidence submitted has been v helpful, even if 98% of the inquiry itself is a farce)
@@TLIO-kc1vz it’s a nice earner for these judges and there’s a lot of legal people in the govt Starmer was that good when he was main CPS he let jimmy savill slip through the net !!!
Thank you for this video. When I first heard some reporting about the trial, I was shocked at the circumstantial evidence being presented. Those involved in preparing and prosecuting this case should be immediately arrested. The justice system routinely uses appalling processes to prosecute and convict people. I have seen it myself. The justice industry, is the problem. The lack of accountability for people involved. Whilst I appreciate the system wants to retain its structure and order, having 1,000 appeals outstanding with the CCRC, taking so long to deal with and refer cases to the Court of Appeal, is enough. Whoever needs to intervene and release Lucy Letby now, they must do it.
This is what happens. She has been scapegoated by people higher up the pecking order to cover up their inadequacies. The staffing levels were diabolical for a unit dealing with tiny babies. How the staff involved in this miscarriage of justice sleep at night knowing what they have deliberately done to a defenseless young woman who pointed out shortcomings in the department. She did that because she saw the dangers and cared about the babies
This is going to be my 'go to' video when people have basic questions such as 'wasn't she always there?' or 'but why did the deaths stop when she was off the unit?' This is clear and to the point. The only people who can ignore this are those determined not to listen.
The only people still saying Lucy is guilty are either brainwashed, stupid, or have a part in her wrongful conviction, Lucy is 100% innocent, unlike those responsible for this sorry miscarriage of justice.
Thank you! I really do people find it helpful. There's a lot more resources in the description if folks want to follow up, and there's a references pdf.
@@Oddballthegreat406 this investigation has cost £20 million pounds The lawyers (fat cats ) can carry out this investigation but they take years to allow well deserving appeal to take place fast and release lucy
Scapegoated for someone else fault, probably someone higher in the pecking order. Wouldn't wanna be a nurse because of the bureaucracy, sad if shes innocent, no justice and putting a good nurse behind bars with mostly paperwork as evidence, scary times
Breathtakingly clear pieces of information that cannot be ignored by the judicial system , I have often wondered if Myers and the defence team were overconfident in their approach to proceedings, believing there was no case to answer.
The fact is, and I know this from experience of attending a Crown court case of my friend, who was 100% guilty of the charges against him. Both barristers and the judge lunched together every day at the same restaurant opposite the court. What does that tell you? My friend's barrister just happened to be able to better convince the jury than the other barrister. It's just a game to them, a dick swinging contest. You should have seen the jury's face when they heard my friend's previous record after they had delivered their Not guilty. I bet they still lose sleep over it today... There is no justice. Just the machine. Meyers neglected to put any expert witnesses on the stand to counter the prosecution's expert witnesses. Why? Why on earth would he neglect to do that? It beggars belief and makes me wonder if it was deliberate in order to crucify their scapegoat.
@ruthbashford3176 I did not know this but if the defence wants to call a witness the defendant can say no,proffered Gill offered his services but lucy said no,my belief lucy was broken down like kgb defendants and thought that she could not win,she had become spritless when the judge accepted the verdict lucy just looked at him and said im innocent no dramatics just comatose resignation.
@@johnnewman6387 I think Lucy allowed Myers to make all the decisions regarding her case including witnesses for the defence, but it's only my opinion.
Excellent informative video and - in a just world - should lead to a retrial. Is UK justice up to it? If not, why not? Something is rotten in the state of "UK Justice".
Well done on digging this all out Guy! I thought the jury were a bit undiscerning and unable to see through obvious flaws in the prosecution evidence, but now I can see just how much was hidden from them. It’s unbelievable that both Jayaram and Brearey would think that the outside medical experts would not be able to see through the blizzard of information to realise Lucy is really innocent
@@LucyLetbyFilms Absolutely, it's not the jury's fault, they did the right thing finding her guilty. If you put the wrong numbers in the calculator, and add them up right, you get the wrong answer. It's not the calculators fault.
Jayaram and Breary have no reason to think the outside medical experts wouldn't agree with them, for the simple reason, they actually believe their invented explanation of the excess deaths. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they have started questioning their explanation, since the outside medical experts have started sharing their views though.
As soon as the 22 cases were tried as a group rather than trying each case individually and independently a statistical implication was introduced that can never be removed. Would each case on its own stand up in court? The question would be why isn't every death in hospital a murder. I believe that each case would be dismissed very quickly. So you cannot get away from the statistics whatever Dewi Evans says.
Moritz is like a vulture. The way she couldn't wait to get to the camera. With Moritz it is all about Lucy's personality and mannerisms . Even her reporting from Thirlwall has been selective and biased. Anyway ,got that off my chest. I hope Lucy is being looked after by both staff and inmates. I suspect she is because everyday it's becoming more and more obvious she is innocent. I reckon her case will be fast tracked for the sake of her well being. Great work, cheers.
I remember the trial taking place and waiting for something to materialise which would indicate to me exactly when Lucy Letby had harmed any one of the babies. I put myself in the position of being one of the jurors. Not once was any evidence produced. Not once. Honestly, had I been on that jury, I would/could not convict her. Where is the truth? Where is the proof? Convicted beyond a reasonable doubt? I don't think so!
Subscribed. I want to see this story through the FACTUAL truth, and freedom of Lucy Letby. She was used as a patsy by the system to cover its own management issues. I want to see the true face of the UK medical health care system when the facts are laid down.
A new trial needed. She has been made a scapegoat to cover up for the failings of the Doctors and hospital management. I feel a grave miscarriage of justice in this case.
I'm not going to say whether or not Letby is innocent, but suffice to say, I'm not happy with the original trial. It was constantly beset with delays, including a whole *five* weeks at Christmas 2022 because of juror illness, bad weather etc. atop the usual Christmas break. There were murmurings at that point of just abandoning it and starting again, because how could that be fair? The earlier evidence is no longer fresh in the minds of the jury and the entire schedule has been tipped on its head. The trial was supposed to have ended in April 2023. It ended in August 2023. This was because - yet again - there were more delays. It was overrunning so badly that the trial was taking breaks for all manner of reasons, probably including holidays and personal events such as children graduating etc. There were days and days on end when court wasn't sitting. The judge and lawyers were having to dip in and out of other work. There was one morning when a reporter discussed how the judge arrived late, apparently visibly rattled and stressed in a way nobody had seen before. It even reached a point where a juror dropped out at deliberations due to "inevitable" medical reasons, which wouldn't have been a problem had the trial run to schedule (I'm 99% sure I know what and why that was, but won't repeat it here). The medical evidence was arguably too complicated for a lay jury to understand - and now various expert witnesses are changing their own minds? More medics are coming out of the woodwork to question it? Hmm. The jury also had to put up with this for almost an entire year, with their own lives on hold.
@@barrywhitley2535 the general public should realise that the nhs in a private enterprise and will,do anything to take the blame away from them THAT is what WE ARE FIGHTING big money Why we’re most of the judiciary who refused leave to appeal either a lady or a lord they do not work for us they sign allegiance to the crown and that’s it
My beautiful son was born at 26 weeks weighing 1lb 11oz 799grams. He was ventilated for 4 months and was re-intubated 8 times. He developed Subglottic stenosis and had a tracheostomy tube for 13 years. He extubated himself all 8 times. I believe it was pretty common in the NICU as they put tiny armbands around his wrists that had fabric straps attached pulled out through the portholes each side of the incubator to stop him pulling at tubes, drains and central lines. We would have left him in a stable condition and by the time we got home an hour later the unit would be on the phone to prepare us for the worst. I believe if all of the evidence had been presented, including those other three angels that weren't included in this case she would have been found innocent.
Thanks for telling us your story. One thing that this has highlighted for me is the brilliance of so many medical teams who routinely do the most extraordinary work, nurturing extremely vulnerable early-borns to health.
For a Dr to say that accidental extubation in babies is uncommon 😳 is simply untrue. Ask any neonatal nurse! Twice weekly Consultant rounds is deplorable. Daily is bare minimum for the Consultant and twice daily from a Registrar, in addition to any assessment(s) made necessary by a change in the baby’s condition. 💔parents so poorly served by this unit. If this was their ‘standard of care’ 🚩🚩🚩
The entire case brings to mind Lord Denning's infamous 'Appalling Vista' comment regarding the appeal trial of the Birmingham Six, 1979. Denning's view was that: If the six men win, it will mean that the police are guilty of perjury, that they are guilty of violence and threats, that the confessions were invented and improperly admitted in evidence and the convictions were erroneous... This is such an appalling vista that every sensible person in the land would say that it cannot be right that these actions should go any further. He also commented that "We shouldn't have all these campaigns to get the Birmingham Six released if they'd been hanged. They'd have been forgotten and the whole community would have been satisfied." The men's convictions were overturned in 1991, after it was shown that the police had indeed done all the things Denning described, and he admitted that the West Midlands Police force had "let us all down”
I have experienced this first hand many years ago. When I used to work in a hospital on maternity, a lady died in main delivery. The consultant at the time , missed the fact that the woman was bleeding out. The midwife raised the alarm but it was too late to save the poor woman. There was a court case and the consultant got away with it and guess who got blamed? The poor midwife. I was absolutely sickened to how a hospital could act like that. That gave me the eye opener as to the fact that they can put the blame on anyone other than the actual person who was at fault. Absolutely sickening and disgusting 😡
Depressing to read, but thank you for posting.
@ you’re welcome.
Obviously I don't have all the information, but from what you've written, the midwife would have been the one to miss the fact that the woman was bleeding out.
The midwife is the professional who is with the mother for the majority of labour.
They are responsible for monitoring the condition of both mother and baby.
A consultant would only be called if the midwife found a problem.
If haemorrhage was missed, that would have been the midwife who didn't pick up on it during her observations.
I'm a nurse, and I would stand up for my midwife colleague if they hadn't made an error, but I can only go on the information I have here, and I would say the midwife would have been the most culpable in this case.
It seems she didn't raise the alarm early enough.
@ The thing is, she did at the time the baby was born. After the baby was out, the alarm was raised by the midwife of the bleeding. The baby was a C Section and so it was the consultant who did the operation. She missed the bleeding and so the poor woman sadly passed away. I worked with the poor ladies sister in law. I was the one that had to go through the medical notes and saw it all written down as it all happened. I did the admin for it and learnt of it when my shift started. I listened to everyone’s account of what happened. There were others there too whom I worked very close with and they confirmed what happened.
I can attest that they try and put the blame on anyone.
I was caring for my mother full-time when she fell and broke her ankle in the house. She had to undergo an emergency operation and the next morning she had a stroke. Instead of taking her from the orthopaedic ward to ICU or at least the stroke ward they left her in a single room and sat back and did nothing hoping she would die. It's a long story and I fought them tooth and nail. She held on for 10 days in extreme discomfort because no tracheotomy had been performed eventually she died of pneumonia which was a blessing of sorts.
Less than 2 hours after she died one of the scumbag doctors called me and asked me to "approve" the death cert. WTAF?! I refused. She then said that if I didn't they would have to inform the procurator fiscal and an investigation into the circumstances leading up to my mother's death would be carried out. I didn't realise she was threatening me and I just replied "Do what you want."
A couple of days later I got a call from a police officer - I was under investigation for my mother's death!
After a stressful 10 minutes or so she asked me, "Do you have any concerns over how your mother was treated in the hospital?" I replied, "I have a timeline." and almost immediately I was no-longer a suspect.
Unreal! 🤬
Unless I missed something, no real evidence was provided to prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
you didn’t miss something. There was no evidence whatsoever.
I AGREE WITH YOU ...... (if she's guilty then she's more clever than Harry Houdini)
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From listening to "Crimescene2Court" .......... even stupid me was able to hear that the prosecution was making omissions not only of her innocence ..... (inbetween "parking" the odd lost life)........ and it was Lucy who had to correct him and ask him what patient was he talking about ????
Unless you’ve read the judgment and transcript in its entirety- you missed everything
@@dra2033 It cannot be put into words how utterly compromised by your own ignorance you are.
Well the jury disagreed with you, they didn’t miss a thing. Twice.
Lucy is innocent. Scapegoat to hide mismanagement
It is always much easier to find a scapegoat than to admit that there is any fault in the system.
The way Lucy has been treated is absolutely disgusting. From looking into it myself, I think it's another case of a British institution trying to cover tracks for its own failings to protect the public from harm. Those children dying and their families having to go through all this to send a woman to prison as a result is just vile.
Thank you. This is an important piece of work and should be shared as widely as possible.
Unfortunately too few are listening and the media is set against her . One thing for certain this affair will not do recruitment for nurses easy any young lady going into nursing needs her head examining.. Jayaram is a full blown liar
I don't think she's done what she's been convicted for ... I do believe she has been a scapegoat for the higher ups at the countess
Best get your irrefutable evidence to the courts immediately.
@itsmeagain7825 unfortunately it certainly isn't that simple... knowing the countess and the staff working there, the eye sees but the powers hide .
It is simply my opinion that led me to comment . So let's not get into the ins and outs, as I'll guarantee we don't know the half of it
@@robdaniels78 so it's the whole hospital/NHS conspiring together against one nurse because she "fell out" with a doctor?
OK 👍
@itsmeagain7825 nope...
@@robdaniels78 so who is conspiring?
Thank you for keeping this alive.
1000% she is innocent
1000% ?????..... YES ..... prey WHO was the CPS lady describing her character ????.......... that's not her job !!!
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(i confess i believed she was initially.... after listening to "hype" but i am wrong)
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Thanks to Mark Myers...Carl Perkins and others 🙂
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What surprises me is that the residing Judge didn't constantly "halt" the trial ..(almost continuously) to ensure that no "culture" was furnished on the jury ......... as they are very well learned indeed
It should also be added that, however much the families want this to be over, if LL was not responsible for their babies’ deaths, they have not got the answers they so badly need nor do they have justice.
@@Ali-Bea it’s convenient to blame Lucy Letby if the convict a scapegoat for murder then the compensation is much less than they would need to pay for hospital NEGLIGENCE
Above all, justice needs to be done and to be seen to be done.
@@Marielawlor-mz6nfexplain how the Trust new about the notes, the sheets and the searches
@@Marielawlor-mz6nf if she's a scapegoat explain how the Consultants new about the searches , the sheets and the notes. I don't want an explanation of all those things, just an explanation how two Consultants knew about those three things
If you were a parent of a dead child, which would be of more comfort to you: to believe that they died of natural causes as so many babies do, or to believe that they were murdered by a nurse?
I can hardly believe that any of the parents is satisfied by this verdict, nor that they will derive much comfort from knowing that someone else is suffering so badly as LL, when she may be completely innocent.
The big problem for Lucy is because all of the guilty who put her there including the Police Judges solicitors consultants so call doctors etc etc can be shown up for being corrupt and guilty can they ? easier to keep Lucy where she is to avoid embarrassment and more trials for those involved makes me sick
A retrial shouldn't be necessary. There must be a way of declaring that there's no case to answer and freeing her without the trauma of a retrial.
I hope the process doesn't take decades, as in other cases.
Looking at each piece of evidence all of it is conjecture, theory and hypothesis. This should never have been heard in court in the first place. An inquiry needs to be held to find out how we got.to where we are now
I completely agree.
@@TruthequationOf course a retrial should take place. Just setting her free doesn’t solve the suspicions.
@@jopiez1 What suspicions? The medical evidence has been roundly discredited by numerous consultant neonatologists and the spreadsheet evidence has been comprehensively debunked by eminent statisticians from The Royal Statistical Society. All the other evidence is specious and worthless.
In this case there is no murderer, unlike the Colin Stagg case, so no matter what happens there will always be people who believe Lucy Letby is guilty!
@jopiez1 what suspicions are you thinking of?
To wait 16 years for a crime you didn't commit?? God help England!!!!! A refusal to allow Appeal took less than a day....!! This is in itself shocking, I was most unhappy how easy it was to dismiss bias, with all the information now out there, this case should be given top priority - including the other person who is rotting in jail!!! Shame on you England!!
Yes Appalling
I wish i had not read your post ,it makes me feel worse being all too aware of how the police conduct enquiries ,how the media lie , how the courts fail to deliver justice . now we know the NHS is run like a Soviet tractor factory ,with arrogant incompetent so called doctors who are in fact just MHCPs all too prepared to lie for revenge
@@hoolydooly5799 Absolutely Agree !
You have to remember, courts are not about justice, but law. The more difficult the case, the more the judge will try to put justice out of his mind and concentrate on the letter of the law, to absolve himself from any responsibility.
Many of the factors that we may think justify an appeal, are ruled out by law. If evidence was not presented by the defence by their own choice, it cannot be the basis of an appeal. Only new evidence that was not available at the time can be used for appeal. This film mainly refers to evidence which could and probably should have been presented by the defence at the time, or to prosecution evidence which should have been challenged. I don't think a poorly presented defence can be grounds for an appeal.
@Merlin3189 yes you are correct.
Are not judges, though supposed to act when they see defence is too poor?
I do believe Lucy is innocent and it breaks my heart to think of what has been done to her. Nothing will ever make this right but I hope those working for her freedom will succeed and get her home asap. 🙏
There are more and more people trying to get the colossal doubts out there, and less and less people who refuse to acknowledge them.
If only things could go faster.
@@robinhood4640 I heard someone from The Innocence Project in the USA saying, public pressure is the best way to get a case re-examined and overturned.
@@robinhood4640 The sad thing is that there will always be some trolls who want her to be guilty, one replied to me here. These people belong in the 17th century.
@@ruthbashford3176 I am more and more convinced that those who will forever want her to be guilty, only want her to be guilty because it means they were right to believe she was guilty. It becomes about them, not about her or the babies.
It no longer matters for them the ins and the outs of what happened. The facts will always be deformed, just as they have been for most of us to believe she is guilty. Our inability to question our beliefs has always hindered society and it probably always will, unless we learn to stop believing things.
Maybe just acknowledging they are beliefs would suffice. At least we could then have discussions with those who don't believe things to be the same as we do. It's generally only when we forget we are defending a belief that things get out of hand.
It is easy to understand why we burned witches, even if it does seem preposterous to us now.
So i am afraid i disagree with your view that they belong in the 17th century. They fit in just fine in the 21st century, unfortunately.
@@ruthbashford3176 I see your point? but there are always going be someone , some thats says something, and refers back to this? it sould put to bed once and for all, and full blowen trial is the only way, and do mean full, all on open courts, fully telavised, on prim time TV, and with apanel experts, just footbal, boxing match, explaning all more find grity bits, so everyong know's 101% that this person not guiltly or have anything answer for? and as for blaming the jury that out side of the remit of the jury. the jury are told facts, and pesentages if how reloable the fact are, and so called experted gaged on what they say? and how they can say it, if at all say anything? the hole case was house of cards, and and to beleave, hole jury, did now anything of the case? some of them must felt it there duity find some way, in at least some deaths, try there best, help with conviction? even when there evedece what not there? but this where judge sould stepped in at every stage of the trial, and even before the proper trial started, at all like where's the evedence?
Brilliant video and summery of what the jury didn’t know. Thanks for putting it together 👏
Summary! 🇬🇧
This is excellent. Thank you!
The UK Criminal Justice System is on trial here ! This country needs a serious debate on the whole process.
it's called criminal justice system for a reason
The police I believe conspired with CPS ,and allowed them selves to be controlled by the doctors >Evans was a paid liar . We know from past events how they operate you only need to look at the Collin Stag case or Barry George they will go to any lengths to convict anyone in the picture as they say
Lucy's trial was nothing but a witch trial, reminiscent of 17th century witch trials.
Dr Dewi Evans must be the reincarnation of the Witchfinder General, Matthew Hopkins.
He is the one who should be in prison for perjury along with his co-conspirators who agreed with his nonsense.
A serious debate.
More talk.
More noise.
Nothing changes.
See also the Manchester hoax 'bomb' and the compelling evidence of Richard D Hall, who also suffered a calculated miscarriage of justice, courtesy of the broken, most lowdown 'High' Court.
Absolutely phenomenal resume of what has come to light since the end of the trials. Perfect for sharing with anyone who is on the fence about Lucy. Thank you, whoever you are, for calling Lucy, Lucy, instead of Letby. This film is so concise and punchy! Great work, thank you!
yes, I refuse to refer to her as Letby xx
agreed, a good summary... I believe Lucy is innocent, and the responsibility for the deaths lies elsewhere. There is more than enough evidence to demonstrate a miscarriage of justice.
@@sarahyourston2173 And I cant bring myself to use "Dr" with Jayaram
I hope shes innocent.
This is mind boggling otherwise
I found the whole thing troubling from the start. None of it rung true.
Judith Moritz almost tripped over herself in excitement as she rushed from the court to tell the news. Judith as had a lot to say about the way Lucy reacted in court, strange behaviour as she saw it. But cannot the same be said about Ms Moritz unusual reporting?
She has a book to sell.
Absolutely! I find Moritz's behaviour very strange in her reporting and documentaries. Very odd.
Yep ... downright disturbing !
Moritz shows a level of unprofessionalism that is disturbing in itself
Liz Hull and Judith Moritz are similar, and like the jury they were subjected day after day, week after week, to Harri wing stories of the last moments of tiny babies’ lives. They ended up just as convinced as the jury members. Probably severely traumatised, too. I understand their behaviour.
If only the media hadn't told us all what to think, we wouldn't need to fight against everyone who believed them.
I stopped listening to the mainstream media in 2018 when I started to realise how much propaganda is being pushed. I also had doubts about her conviction from the start, just looking at her face and a gut instinct, inside something was telling me that this wasn’t right.
@clairedavison5607 Absolutely
I have seen multiple pieces on bbc about the topics brought up in this video
@robinhood4640 What, like they did with the Iraq War, and Covid 19, you mean?
Main Stream Media is a propaganda tool designed to deceive you.
This is an outstanding piece of research and work
I agree
Thanks so much George
Superb video bringing together many of the grave concerns that the public have over these convictions and the manner in which they were brought about.The Thirlwall Inquiry has about as much credibility as Dewi Evans.
I thought I was one of the converted in the choir stalls but this video packs a powerful emotional punch. wOw
@@LucyLetbyFilms I wonder if baby K's family were seeking legal action. It might say something about why Jayaram came up with his story after over a year of saying nothing.
As a retired Police Officer, I am convinced that Lucy Letby is innocent.
I assume you have recognized some of the problems with this case.
yet you plod will believe any he-said she-said uncorroborated rape accusation, call complainants "victims" and say come forward we will BELIEVE YOU. ideologically driven dickheads
@@andrewemery4272 am very glad you're retired
She's guilty...she was caught by a Dr watching whilst the alarm went off..killing a baby.
After she was caught..no babies have died since
Why are you convinced ?
Unbelievable. It is so appalling that they blamed Lucy.
..and she's so fit.
Excellent work, great video 🙏🏼
Fantastic summary, thank you.
Lucy Letby should be immediately freed, exonerated and compensated (although no amount of money could make up for what Lucy has been through). No retrial is needed in this case.
100% agree
@@ruthbashford3176 This monster is guilty as charged. My sympathies are with the families whose premature babies it murdered.
@@jerryodonovan8624 Lucy is NOT a monster, she was a caring competent nurse who only did her best to help the babies she looked after.
The babies she was supposed to have murdered had post mortems and were found to have died from natural causes and, no doubt, suboptimal care.
If there had been any suspicion of foul play the Coroner would have been informed and the babies examined by a forensic pathologist.
The compensation should come out of the pension pot of the gang of four
@godfreyjackson2138 Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. They should have to rot in prison for what they have put poor Lucy and the parents through .
This story makes me angry. Using an innocent woman as a scapegoat to cover up medical negligence.😡
She is a political scapegoat
The NHS is sacred and must not be criticised.
YEP 😞
Sacraficed on the altar of NHS religion.
@@adenwellsmith6908 They are dreadful .... by the ratio of 500/1 over 5 years i survived a dreadful doctor
Just curious, why do you think she wrote those notes?
Thank you. A terrible miscarriage of justice has taken place and must be put right. Poor LL is clearly innocent.
An excellent summary of the key issues that prove Lucy Letby's innocence. Shame on the Police, the Consultants, the Management and the prosecution witness Dr Evans!
The overwhelming amount of evidence should secure Lucy's release. It is up to all those that believe in her to continue to raise this issue and hopefully Mark Macdonald moves ever nearer to the application to the CCRC. This must not be allowed to be delayed and an innocent woman must not spend her best years in a prison cell l!!!!.
I really hope there is a re-trial, followed by her freedom, and after a period of recovery, she can sue like hell.
I’ve watched this video many times, it’s obvious Lucy Letby is innocent, this is an obvious miscarriage of justice
Letby needs releasing love and support from Ireland 🇮🇪
The two rounds a week gang: "LL looks a bit defenceless, lets blame her for mess that we have created."
As someone who has also suffered false accusations of extremely serious crimes - for political reasons, to protect the real criminals - I can see straightaway that Lucy is innocent and is being framed to protect the people whose failings caused the babies' deaths. Also for political reasons by the way.
The system is deliberately corrupt, I have seen it. Yet the public have no idea of the shocking world of the justice industry.
Wow I know that feeling having reported post office to Lord Blunkett in 1998.
@@kennethsimmons2029 Did they also falsely accuse YOU of the crimes THEY were in fact committing? Very common that is, extremely common.
@LittleKitty22 yes. Planted evidence recovered by the dicks who held authority position to prosecute the fruits of the find. Unfortunately in 1999 DNA was on the cusp of developing science and I insisted they prove a link with the stolon items or I would pay to establish no link. The whole fiasco is what we now call the Horizon scandal and this was the first post office investigator to be given a free hit on perjury. His name is Alan Hoole and his "arrest" conducted Jan 14th 1998 on behalf of Mandy Talbot providing evidence to the Horizon enquiry in Sept 2023 after 2700 justice miscarriages they were aware of in 1999. Hope you ok
Yes. Relentless fit up fest. Bribes witness intimidation fabricated evidence subverted courts embarrassed counsel recused chairman and a legal bill to the taxpayer of 390 million pounds to 2024. See Alan Bates ITV drama and imagine if police were part of the cover up since 1999. Correcting justice won't help the 4 suicides
One of the worse cases of misjustice I have witnessed in this country.
The more I hear about this case and the amount and type of information NOT shared with the jury, *the more I am convinced she is innocent.* I believe she was framed to mask incompetence and negligence at a high level in that Chester hospital.
That is a reasonable assumption for the whole of the NHS managerial structure.
A young nurse sits in jail and all this in true it’s outrageous
Thanks for focusing on this case - it’s well needed - lots of things are off here!
On Saturday 4th January we should all fill Facebook with Happy Birthday messages of Best wishes for Lucy, We need to let the whole world know we stand by her and Know she's Innocent.
i don't know how anyone can still think she is guilty?
It baffles me at how you can condemn someone to a life sentence without presenting key evidence for the defence. I think she is probably innocent & has been made a scapegoat. I hope if she is innocent she is cleared in the end.
I hope Lucy has been informed of all the support she is getting from the public - We Love you Lucy - We All Know You Are Innocent !
Idiot
@@tricia4900 (whilst looking in mirror)
A new jury need to see this video. It's very clear and straight to the point and easy to understand, I have always said that Lucy is 100% Innocent and made a scapegoat for egotistical Drs who were blaming her for their mistakes and also out of revenge for her reporting them for their poor practices, also the poor Jury was blocked from seeing the whole picture of what was happening in that hospital, the jury can only go of what they have been told unlike the NHS bosses and police and the courts who have all behaved appallingly. Lucy and the male gentleman both need to be released straight away. The people at the top who are responsible for both these cases need to be made accountable for what they did and didn't do. otherwise, how can any lessons ever be made.
805 SDR.
BOSS DR.
seen a reg plate on a red audi in WMUH in london..guy was a doctor.
Is that what you mean?
I'm not sure that juries can be trusted to deliver justice.
@ForkCandle123 it's impossible for the jury to deliver fair justice when they have been misinformed .
@HENNAtabasun1990 yes, I get that, but the fact that no one in the jury questioned the integrity of the evidence put before them in this trial is what I'm getting at. You'd hope that a jury could see when something wasn't right. But this never seems to happen in these circumstances. You'd also hope that a judge could do the same of course - but again that never seems to happen.
@ForkCandle123 I don't blame the jury , they trusted the legal system, believing that they had all the facts put before them. Unfortunately, that definitely wasn't the case. They weren't even told about baby Noah Robinson, who died from gross failings at the hands of one of the Drs who accused Lucy of harming the babies but the hospital have even refused to give out all the details of which Dr it was , The parents were in the process of suing the hospital for their babies death caused by one of them 2 Drs who are blaming Lucy and the hospital have been allowed to put the hearing on hold to focus on Lucy. I believe blaming Lucy for sudden deathes in that unit is a massive distraction and a complete cover-up on how poor and how bad the Drs and the managers practices were at that hospital, and Lucy is a very convenient scapegoat,.
It’s sad if she is indeed innocent, that she is going to be left in jail, for many years!
I will never understand how this case ever got to trial
There will be a helluva tale to be told one day.
@LucyLetbyFilms One day, hopefully before we are dead, this case will be studied as a textbook case of a frameup by the prosecutor. This complete idiot's guide to a frameup needed the compliance of the judge and the defence. I'm not saying the judge or the defence was in on the frameup, I don't know. But they should have spoken up against the prosecutor
@@richardmullins44 It would be the best possible outcome if a) Lucy is freed as soon as possible and then b) the case is indeed studied as a way to reform the entire system. This isn't the first time it has happened, and courts in other countries have fallen for the same mistakes.
We can now see pretty clearly the multiple flaws that led to catastrophe. The sooner all this can be publicly acknowledged, and corrective measures put in to stop it happening again, the better.
Its clear to me that some one or some group were determined to accuse and bend evidence to achieve a verdict of murder. They obviously had muder on their mind and were going to prove it by any means available to them.
Thankyou for such a hard hitting and professional piece. Obviously there is alot more to this miscarriage of justice that can be shown in 15 minutes, I hope to see more of these, as this information needs to get out to the public as much as possible. Thankyou again
Great video. Many thanks for the dose of realism. Immense public pressure on MPs is the only way to get LL out of prison. Hassle your MP and hassle your friends to hassle their MP and never give up shouting about it!
Well put together..
I have liked and shared..
Thanks for putting it together..
@@EL-MANGINER thank you!
This what happens when you go up against the state.Unbelievable.
Literally, she looks like a caring nurse
@ what do think? .Most would say she is guilty as hell,with no real evidence only doctors opinions on what could have happened,it just doesn’t add up.Its looking like the jury was miss lead more experts opinions are coming to light now after the trial.
The State is an Octopus with many tentacles.
So much for British justice.
She is innocent.
Superb video bringing together many of the grave concerns the public have over these convictions and the manner in which they were brought about. The Thirlwall Inquiry has about as much credibility as Dewi Evans.
The NHS is well known for denying and covering up their failings. There's more holes in this case than a swiss cheese and they're going to do everything possible to avoid it coming out.
Serious questions also need to be asked about the original defence team. With so many failures was it a failure of competency? A "token" defence that they didn't want to do? Or most seriously were they "lent on" to just go through the motions and then abandon her in the system as the scapegoat for NHS failures?
Agree with all that you wrote.
100% token defence. Do just enough to look plausible, whilst all along deliberately lose the case. 100% Myers was leant on.
You're closer to the truth than Manchester Crown Court got!!!!!
Have you ever used Hospital Complaint System? Or NHS and Parliamentary Ombudsman?
20 Million Pounds
Thank god we don't have the death penalty anymore. Can you imagine what the situation would be, if it was still on the books?
So much bias, omitted evidence and flaws in the case. Feels ever more like a re-run of the Sally Clarke case as more details emerge.
So true. I hope and pray that Lucy will be free in the not too distant future.
Another excellent video. Have you heard the news of Lucy's original police mugshot? Apparently the press photo shopped it to make her look more sinister, cold and inhuman than she appeared in the image. Crazy stuff and yet more reasons to question the validity and safety of this conviction. Keep up the good work, friend. You have earned another subscriber.
Thank you! Yes I have heard and yet it is very interesting.... watch this space.
I thought there was something amiss at the original trial when her supervisors did not give evidence, the very people who had praised and defended her, and had urged her to undertake higher studies.
I followed this case, and as someone who has performed jury service, I was shocked to see her convicted on what I saw as a lack of real evidence. Everything was circumstancial and hearsay at best. At the time I commented this, plus the fact that after my experience of jury service I wouldn't have any faith in any jury myself.....I just got called a Letby simp 😆👍✌️
All they had was the 'gut feeling' of two consultants and the opinion of a long retired doctor ... and some red herrings.
I'd say there's a good argument to get rid of juries and just have everything tried by a panel of judges, similar to the other non-criminal courts and the magistrates. Unfortunately we don't have anything like enough judges.
Interestingly enough, the trial judge at Letby's two trials actually pulled a megachad move at an earlier trial in 2017. He used a very rare legal power to dismiss the jury and try the case himself, because the jury were being intimidated no end by the defendants' friends and relatives. On one occasion someone deliberately set off the fire alarm in the court to take photos of the jurors outside and harrass them.
That didn't end well. The scumbag defendants were convicted by the judge anyway and got long prison sentences.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 There are options. In Scandinavia, they have professional juries instead of picking random people. There's the obvious option of having a jury of medical professionals in medical cases. Or, having the evidence reviewed by a panel of medical 'expert witnesses' prior to trial.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 My own jury service was a terrible experience for me..... Several of my jurors wanted to convict the accused purely because 'He looks like he could have done it' and 'Well he does live in (such and such really rough part of town.)'
I did argue with them about that attitude but it's a real thing and I guess it has happened many times before 👍✌
As there was no case to answer for Lucy Letby there should be no retrial. However it would appear that many including the judge and procecutor should be on trial for kidnapping, false imprisonment, character assination of this Nurse.
100% agree
Nonsense.
100%
@@johnkeating4221 excellent I agree 100%
There is too much doubt in this case, whether she is guilty or not, convictions based on circumstancial evidence should always be subject to periodic review.
And still Thirlwall drags pointlessly on. What a mess! We’ll need a public enquiry into why we went ahead with a public enquiry about how murders were committed despite there being serious doubts that any murders had been committed.
Just about sums it up! Thirwall cost about £3m up to March IIRC. Money well spent. (Though to be fair some of the evidence submitted has been v helpful, even if 98% of the inquiry itself is a farce)
@@TLIO-kc1vz it’s a nice earner for these judges and there’s a lot of legal people in the govt Starmer was that good when he was main CPS he let jimmy savill slip through the net !!!
Thank you for this video. When I first heard some reporting about the trial, I was shocked at the circumstantial evidence being presented. Those involved in preparing and prosecuting this case should be immediately arrested. The justice system routinely uses appalling processes to prosecute and convict people. I have seen it myself. The justice industry, is the problem. The lack of accountability for people involved. Whilst I appreciate the system wants to retain its structure and order, having 1,000 appeals outstanding with the CCRC, taking so long to deal with and refer cases to the Court of Appeal, is enough. Whoever needs to intervene and release Lucy Letby now, they must do it.
The ward should have been closed if sewer is coming up the pipe immediately
You are right, curiously Dr. Evans said the same thing in his last interviews. I guess a broken clock can still be right two times a day 😂
@@megja1812 they did not give evidence they were advised not to and anyone who gives evidence may never work again
The sewerage is coming in the commentary from the anti-Letby crowd. In the snakepits of their minds, they see Letby as guilty.
This is what happens. She has been scapegoated by people higher up the pecking order to cover up their inadequacies. The staffing levels were diabolical for a unit dealing with tiny babies. How the staff involved in this miscarriage of justice sleep at night knowing what they have deliberately done to a defenseless young woman who pointed out shortcomings in the department. She did that because she saw the dangers and cared about the babies
SADLY THIS YOUNG WOMAN IS A SCAPEGOAT AND I DON'T BELIEVE SHE WAS THE GUILTY ONE
💯 she a scapegoat
This is going to be my 'go to' video when people have basic questions such as 'wasn't she always there?' or 'but why did the deaths stop when she was off the unit?' This is clear and to the point. The only people who can ignore this are those determined not to listen.
The only people still saying Lucy is guilty are either brainwashed, stupid, or have a part in her wrongful conviction, Lucy is 100% innocent, unlike those responsible for this sorry miscarriage of justice.
Thank you! I really do people find it helpful. There's a lot more resources in the description if folks want to follow up, and there's a references pdf.
@@Oddballthegreat406 this investigation has cost £20 million pounds The lawyers (fat cats ) can carry out this investigation but they take years to allow well deserving appeal to take place fast and release lucy
Scapegoated for someone else fault, probably someone higher in the pecking order. Wouldn't wanna be a nurse because of the bureaucracy, sad if shes innocent, no justice and putting a good nurse behind bars with mostly paperwork as evidence, scary times
Breathtakingly clear pieces of information that cannot be ignored by the judicial system , I have often wondered if Myers and the defence team were overconfident in their approach to proceedings, believing there was no case to answer.
The fact is, and I know this from experience of attending a Crown court case of my friend, who was 100% guilty of the charges against him. Both barristers and the judge lunched together every day at the same restaurant opposite the court. What does that tell you?
My friend's barrister just happened to be able to better convince the jury than the other barrister. It's just a game to them, a dick swinging contest.
You should have seen the jury's face when they heard my friend's previous record after they had delivered their Not guilty. I bet they still lose sleep over it today...
There is no justice.
Just the machine.
Meyers neglected to put any expert witnesses on the stand to counter the prosecution's expert witnesses. Why? Why on earth would he neglect to do that? It beggars belief and makes me wonder if it was deliberate in order to crucify their scapegoat.
@@ginnythwaite With no defence expert medical witnesses the case was lost from the start. The jury just believed Dewi Evans' nonsense.
@ruthbashford3176 I did not know this but if the defence wants to call a witness the defendant can say no,proffered Gill offered his services but lucy said no,my belief lucy was broken down like kgb defendants and thought that she could not win,she had become spritless when the judge accepted the verdict lucy just looked at him and said im innocent no dramatics just comatose resignation.
@@johnnewman6387 I think Lucy allowed Myers to make all the decisions regarding her case including witnesses for the defence, but it's only my opinion.
I truly believe Myers was instructed to lose the case@@ginnythwaite
From the very beginning of this case, I was incredulous at the very idea she might be guilty.
Excellent informative video and - in a just world - should lead to a retrial. Is UK justice up to it? If not, why not? Something is rotten in the state of "UK Justice".
I've no idea whether Lucy is guilty or innocent, but her conviction is clearly unsafe. Always follow the money. Who has most to lose by the truth.
Said all along she did no wrong the hospital along with poor lawyers has given her a life sentence.
This world is dripping with corruption and injustice, saturated in it!! Money IS power! Sick.
Free Lucy Letby. Let the parents have real justice. That is the hospital closing. They are the ones with blooδ on their hands, not her.
We need to fix the problems in the hospitals, not close them down.
I have had a real deep conviction of her innocence!
RE-TRIAL
Well done on digging this all out Guy! I thought the jury were a bit undiscerning and unable to see through obvious flaws in the prosecution evidence, but now I can see just how much was hidden from them. It’s unbelievable that both Jayaram and Brearey would think that the outside medical experts would not be able to see through the blizzard of information to realise Lucy is really innocent
Yeah, the last people I blame are the jury...
@@LucyLetbyFilms Absolutely, it's not the jury's fault, they did the right thing finding her guilty.
If you put the wrong numbers in the calculator, and add them up right, you get the wrong answer.
It's not the calculators fault.
Jayaram and Breary have no reason to think the outside medical experts wouldn't agree with them, for the simple reason, they actually believe their invented explanation of the excess deaths.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they have started questioning their explanation, since the outside medical experts have started sharing their views though.
You have organisations like the BBC, NHS, post office - big organisations that will go to any lengths to protect themselves.
Thank you, I wonder the expert witness has a long dark past, the old saying, trust me I'm a Doctor chills me to the bone!
Jayaram has been shown to have lied on multiple occasions - he is not fit to practise. We know that Lucy Letby was not present on this occasion.
Excellent work and recap again. Thanks a lot 🙏
As soon as the 22 cases were tried as a group rather than trying each case individually and independently a statistical implication was introduced that can never be removed. Would each case on its own stand up in court? The question would be why isn't every death in hospital a murder. I believe that each case would be dismissed very quickly. So you cannot get away from the statistics whatever Dewi Evans says.
Moritz is like a vulture. The way she couldn't wait to get to the camera. With Moritz it is all about Lucy's personality and mannerisms . Even her reporting from Thirlwall has been selective and biased. Anyway ,got that off my chest.
I hope Lucy is being looked after by both staff and inmates. I suspect she is because everyday it's becoming more and more obvious she is innocent. I reckon her case will be fast tracked for the sake of her well being.
Great work, cheers.
And the sheeple were happy clapping to the nhs,shocking if this is true
Just to thank you for your belief in the truth.
I remember the trial taking place and waiting for something to materialise
which would indicate to me exactly when Lucy Letby had harmed any one
of the babies. I put myself in the position of being one of the jurors. Not
once was any evidence produced. Not once.
Honestly, had I been on that jury, I would/could not convict her.
Where is the truth? Where is the proof?
Convicted beyond a reasonable doubt? I don't think so!
Justice delayed is justice denied!
Subscribed. I want to see this story through the FACTUAL truth, and freedom of Lucy Letby. She was used as a patsy by the system to cover its own management issues. I want to see the true face of the UK medical health care system when the facts are laid down.
Beautiful, moving. Congratulations.
Thank you!
Fantastically put ❤
she's totally innocent
A new trial needed. She has been made a scapegoat to cover up for the failings of the Doctors and hospital management. I feel a grave miscarriage of justice in this case.
I'm not going to say whether or not Letby is innocent, but suffice to say, I'm not happy with the original trial.
It was constantly beset with delays, including a whole *five* weeks at Christmas 2022 because of juror illness, bad weather etc. atop the usual Christmas break. There were murmurings at that point of just abandoning it and starting again, because how could that be fair? The earlier evidence is no longer fresh in the minds of the jury and the entire schedule has been tipped on its head.
The trial was supposed to have ended in April 2023. It ended in August 2023. This was because - yet again - there were more delays. It was overrunning so badly that the trial was taking breaks for all manner of reasons, probably including holidays and personal events such as children graduating etc. There were days and days on end when court wasn't sitting. The judge and lawyers were having to dip in and out of other work. There was one morning when a reporter discussed how the judge arrived late, apparently visibly rattled and stressed in a way nobody had seen before.
It even reached a point where a juror dropped out at deliberations due to "inevitable" medical reasons, which wouldn't have been a problem had the trial run to schedule (I'm 99% sure I know what and why that was, but won't repeat it here).
The medical evidence was arguably too complicated for a lay jury to understand - and now various expert witnesses are changing their own minds? More medics are coming out of the woodwork to question it? Hmm. The jury also had to put up with this for almost an entire year, with their own lives on hold.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 Agree. Excellent comment.
@@barrywhitley2535 the general public should realise that the nhs in a private enterprise and will,do anything to take the blame away from them THAT is what WE ARE FIGHTING big money Why we’re most of the judiciary who refused leave to appeal either a lady or a lord they do not work for us they sign allegiance to the crown and that’s it
My beautiful son was born at 26 weeks weighing 1lb 11oz 799grams. He was ventilated for 4 months and was re-intubated 8 times. He developed Subglottic stenosis and had a tracheostomy tube for 13 years. He extubated himself all 8 times. I believe it was pretty common in the NICU as they put tiny armbands around his wrists that had fabric straps attached pulled out through the portholes each side of the incubator to stop him pulling at tubes, drains and central lines. We would have left him in a stable condition and by the time we got home an hour later the unit would be on the phone to prepare us for the worst.
I believe if all of the evidence had been presented, including those other three angels that weren't included in this case she would have been found innocent.
Thanks for telling us your story. One thing that this has highlighted for me is the brilliance of so many medical teams who routinely do the most extraordinary work, nurturing extremely vulnerable early-borns to health.
From the media first condemning her this never sat right with me.
Clearly an unsafe conviction.
Thank you this shines light into the corners where nobody is looking, the general public have been tricked with this case it is a tragedy for all.
Miscarriage of justice
She is INNOCENT.
Lets be honest.
We all want her to be innocent.
Well yh that goes without saying, nobody would want to believe nobody who be capable of such an evil act.
@@jamzjamz1476 Beverly Allit
For a Dr to say that accidental extubation in babies is uncommon 😳 is simply untrue. Ask any neonatal nurse! Twice weekly Consultant rounds is deplorable. Daily is bare minimum for the Consultant and twice daily from a Registrar, in addition to any assessment(s) made necessary by a change in the baby’s condition. 💔parents so poorly served by this unit. If this was their ‘standard of care’ 🚩🚩🚩
100%.
The entire case brings to mind Lord Denning's infamous 'Appalling Vista' comment regarding the appeal trial of the Birmingham Six, 1979.
Denning's view was that:
If the six men win, it will mean that the police are guilty of perjury, that they are guilty of violence and threats, that the confessions were invented and improperly admitted in evidence and the convictions were erroneous... This is such an appalling vista that every sensible person in the land would say that it cannot be right that these actions should go any further.
He also commented that "We shouldn't have all these campaigns to get the Birmingham Six released if they'd been hanged. They'd have been forgotten and the whole community would have been satisfied."
The men's convictions were overturned in 1991, after it was shown that the police had indeed done all the things Denning described, and he admitted that the West Midlands Police force had "let us all down”