Be a veteran -> watch video about mistakes new players make -> start making those mistakes to impersonate a new player -> fake it till you make it -> all new players guide are now available to you to help you improve -> become veteran again -> repeat
So many BB guides are either designed for people who have never touched a fighting game, or are hyper character specific combo/setup guides. This is exactly the kind of general system fundamentals I've been looking for as someone coming in from another game.
@@alcatraz8694 Nah you gotta learn fundamentals in shooters too. Loadouts, recoil patterns, effective ranges, field of view, different hit locations, how to lead targets, movement speed, audible footstep range. People who are used to different shooters can adjust quickly to variations but there's still gonna be some time before a CS:GO player really gets comfy with Battlefield. But you can attack people who don't see you in shooters and usually have teammates so there's not the kind of head to head 1v1 accountability and learning those games feel less discouraging than fighters. Shooters aren't easier to learn or play, people are just less scared of them.
@@FigAndFriendsi think the difference is in playerbase, everyone and their mother plays FPS games so theres alot of people around your skill level for you to play against, not the same for fighting games where both "if you go online expect to get bodied for a good while before you can compete" and "my advice to learning fighting games is pick a relatively new game where there are other new people playing" are the general consensus
To summarize: 1- Don’t auto tech, try timing it right. 2- Use barrier more often and learn to barrier dash break. 3- Focus of combos that you can finish, and learn mid-screen combos that corner carry. 4- Learn how to utilize the overdrive to your advantage. 5- Try to pick up a beginner-friendly character to learn how to game works before moving to the advance characters.
The one for wake-up options is a huge one. I'm always holding 7A+B, so it never crossed my mind to use delay neutral tech instead of just neutral tech.
Delay tech doesn't do much against some characters. I play Naoto and I usually meaty 5/2A to continue pressure after a knockdown. If they delay tech, my 5A whiffs, and I have time to do another meaty one. Best case scenario I can blue beat and reset into Phantom Pain. Basically, delay tech is not as good of an option to do all the time as you would think. If your opponent knows how to abuse it, you should start going back to the safest option (Quick Rise).
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI I rightfully disagree about instant tech. There's no inherent downside to it aside from the telegraphed wake up timing. You can't get reset off of it, you are actually at no risk. Instant tech and block. Rolling though is asking to get killed.
yeah i think this is a more contentious issue, i think you want to tech in accordance with a gameplan against whoever your opponent is. a lot of the time forward tech roll especially is just asking to get punished because it's so full of vulnerable frames. one big thing i see a lot of new players do is in fact the opposite of this, where they're not teching at all or are mashing on tech and miss opportunities - they get blue beaten, reset, etc as a result. obviously these are people who don't have the basics down but the basics *can* take a while. i think the first step is getting people in the habit of teching properly in the first place and stuff like delay emergency tech, delay neutral tech, tech rolling etc can come a bit later. ultimately i think it makes sense to hold tech during combos and then mix things up when you see the oki incoming
Well the thing is, while it is situational, getting meatied doesn't really put you at any direct risk. Sure, your opponent keeps their pressure going but you can't expect to get ouf of pressure after every knockdown by magically doing a delay tech. That's why I think instant teching is a better option to default to than delay tech (because of the risk of getting reset is higher, and you can still get meatied afterwards if your opponent has a clue what they're doing.) Rolling is generally really really bad though (but still somewhat situational) !
I think a very important thing to remember is to not just practice combos. Start with something simple, go online and then practice it. Don't play to win, play to implement the combo. Play to implement the blockstring. Play to implement the oki. You've learnt your BnB for your overhead 6A or smth? Now go online and learn how to catch people with it and how to do it in the actual fight. Doesn't matter if you lose. DOESN'T MATTER. Don't fall back on something you know and comfortable with. Lose the match, land the combo. Lose the match, make the oki. When you feel you're comfortable enough with this new stuff - switch to the next one.
Statisticaly, doing 5k dmg 100% of the time is better than doing 10k with less than at least 50% success rate. Especially when all you need is that 5k to win the round.
"but let's agree to disagree" I absolutely agree with you to try out an easier character to get used to the mechanics and the feel of the flow. It's not like it HAS to be your main, might only be an hour or so to figure out how things work and then some bouncing around who you like but the key is to be able to keep you feet under you whether you wanna run first or walk first your feet need to be under you or you fall on your ass.
This is genuinely one of the best BBCF guide out there. I've been picking up CF again because of the rollback so this clearly the guide I need. Thank you Jiyunaa, you really are in love with this game to come up with this amazing guide. 🙏
Im actually enjoying to see Jiyuna helping out with pretty good tips. Im not new to Blazblue but never jumped up to online and then i realize i needed recover tips cause i was getting my ass kicked, i couldn't escape from loops of combos
I actually fully agree with that last point. I tried playing Hazama when I first started. It wasn't having a great time but I chose him cause I thought he was cool. Eventually I switched to Hibiki and my experience was so much better afterwards.
It's crazy how similar my situation is to yours. I played a bit with him and found myself not enjoying the game because I couldn't do most of his stuff so I tried hibiki and I'm liking how things are right now. The Hazama to hibiki pipeline is real.
I'm only a couple minutes in, but I 100% love the philosophy of, "stop teching". Yeah, the pressure in these games feels super oppressive, but knockdown are so much stronger in this game, and thus is one reason why. Some matchups get completely blown up from just delay tech. Kagura comes to mind, but only cause Arcsys really hates that they gave him oki for some reason. But that's seriously a valuable first lesson to teach people, is just be patient for a sec. Knockdowns are strong, but you can weaken them with just a little patience. Edit: okay, finished the video, and that last piece of advice is just chefs kiss, and I can't stress that enough. I played Azrael for years, since 1.0 Chrono Phantasma, and i even made pink square for the first time in the earlier days of CF 2.0., but I had a realization very recently that shook my entire perspective with this game. I wasn't really having fun, despite winning a good chunk of the time. I'd be going to our local meet up in Dallas, and having fun being with friends, but not having fun playing my character. Anytime I messed up a combo or a setup really bugged me, and I'd get really ragey after longer sets. All of a sudden, I pick Terumi back up, and it's like riding a goddamn bike. Yeah, I may not win all the time, still, but I'm having a great time no matter what matchup, cause it's just comfortable, and gels with my playstyle to a tee. And you know what, people are sleeping on the Terumi matchup on steam sometimes, cause he's got some out of the box mixups if you stick with him, and cause he's comfortable, I don't drop stuff nearly as often. And if I do drop something, I just let out a cheeky "aw, dangit", and carry on having fun. Solid advice, just play whoever you're comfy with, and whoever fits your playstyle. You'll figure something out if you stick with it.
here in 2024 and started playing beginner lobby matches after having a lot of fun playing continuum shift at an arcade :) I totally suck but I'm one of those people who only get really invested in a fighting game if there is a character I resonate with. I really love Hakumen's playstyle and it'll keep me coming back to blazblue
Strive was fun for a while cuz it was easy to get into and win a good bit by mashing shit but I burned out haaaard on it. Last i played was when jack-o launched. Even tho its been wrecking my shit overall BBCF has become my new game of choice cuz I like that its just hard enough where i feel accomplished when i pull off the cool shit and i pop off the handful of times i manage to win.
thank you for the guide, I recently just got into BBCF. I've only played CPEX before and I mained Kokonoe, so I have to relearn the mechanics. I know you're gonna be grinding in SF6 soon but I hope you come back to this game one day.
Definitely wish I had had the first tip because I started playing as floaty Rachel back in CS hahaha but it surely paid off since she’s very versatile. Any tips as for how to better read your opponents in order to switch from low to mid guard? I currently interchange it intuitively, but there must be some other trick to it. Also, how can I start implementing high jump on my gameplay generically?
Came back to Blazblue this week for the first time in several years and I've been instant teching a lot, people often drop their combo while I'm still standing and I recover into their next hit so they combo again.
3:26 you damn right!! Though someone from discord actually told me to hold the button so I can immediately tech 🤣 6:33 that helps me A LOT!! I was not sure if I should focus on labbing optimal combos or practice defense first
As others have said, delayed tech is double edge sword. It is ONLY useful when u read opponent correctly, u can even punish them on correct read. BUT, read wrong, you are in for a reset combo. Anyway, I ... actually didn't thought about block OD before ...
I agree with your last point, I think it was good for me on +R to start with Ky before I learned Eddie and with this game I'm starting with Hibiki but I'd like to learn Carl eventually. Don't want to drown right away
Regarding mistake 1 though, good players often end their combo with a knockdown that leaves them close to the opponent and allows them to immediately do something like 2A or 2B. If you delay tech there, you'll get hit for another combo. Watch players like Fenrich, Fukku, etc and they will almost always do this to catch delay tech or roll.
Well, if they usually play other non-new players, then it makes sense to assume a delayed tech. But then you can just adapt and mix it up to make it harder to guess.
Jiyuna out here blessing with the information for free. You don't have to be me, holding tech while Azrael left rights you for 20 games in a row before experimenting with techs.
Thanks a lot man, I can see some of my mistakes and I did almost all of them. I'm sticking with Ragna for the time being, he's fun and could help me learn a lot of the fundementals in the game. I can't wait to finish my job and get back online, it's been 2 weeks and all I do in my free time is playing BBCF, I love it.
Perfect, just what I was looking for. Question: in the barrier example it seems like it's the D-move at the end that pushes Ragna away. Should you avoid ending strings with specials if the opponent is shielding so you can stay close?
But aren't big moves usually unsafe on block anyway so you want to finish the blockstring to get away and get time to defend if needed? Also, that's what confirms are for, right? If opponent gets hit, continue with combo, if opponent blocks, switch to blockstring so you are safe.
Very nice tips Jiyuna! I find that the overdrive being active is also good when you want to do a block string and can RC into EA if they try to punish you since it has s. Newbie player mistake #6 for me: jumping like an idiot while playing neutral. I still suck so much at it despite playing a punish based char(Hakumen), but I get too impatient at times..
As a new BBCF coming from 3rd Strike it’s hard to know when to tech as the combos are so long it’s hard to know when they end so if I don’t tech I get picked up off ground into another combo.
WARNING Reception to character picks: Carl: I hate you Arakune: everyone hates you Rachel: everyone hates your frog(don't worry, I love you George) Mai: lazy Izanami/Nine: "you only have fun because you picked a fun character" Tager: SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR FRIENDS Termui/Hazama: "I got stomped, okay your win GG's" The rest? I'm sure someone's got a complaint for each of em, but they're all fun really, even the ones I'm whining about here. Just get in there and pop a cool super.
My friend hates Noel. (My main) “All they do is mash drive. That’s alllll they do. I HATE THAT STUPID LITTLE HAT!!!” LMFAOOO! His main is Tager. He has no problem winning against Noel. He just really doesn’t like her. Lol!!
Damn, that's exactly the kind of stuff I needed to learn, I was having trouble getting into my defensive options in this game. Good stuff, Jiyuna, thank you.
How active is the online for PC Blazblue in Japan? I am asking because I live in Korea and have a hard time finding matches. And I have public beta test on.
Meta Game throught the games CT: Spam D with Arakune and Nu and Ice Carz CS1: Ragna's Belial Edge! CS2: Makoto Lv3 Finishers CSE: Ragna Return and Relius turn CP1: Overdrive Mania with Ragna and Kokonoe space control CPE: The Return of Nu CF1: Nine Mania! CF2: Jubei's Revenge,Izanami and and Izayoi vs Jin
Picked this up around Christmas but just got around to playing it. I'm a 3rd Strike player above all, but i actually started with Tekken and never played Street Fighter 4 (outside of some super casual matches with friends that had it) but I was super in on Tekken 6 after just dipping my toe in with DR (I played Tekken 3 for PSX a ton, especially Tekken force mode but that was different obviousy) and practiced my terribly D tier Yoshimitsu. i actually housed Nin and Knee when thy came for MLG DC since I'm from Northern VA or DMV or whatever. All that to say I want to learn Blazblue for real as I think it would be good complement to 3rd Strike. I'll be at Summer Jam, I'm only signed up for 3rd Strike but I'm considering Tekken and Blazblue (and ST for that matter). I'll be watching all you tutorials. I went through intermediate tutorial and Noel character specific or whatever. Anyways yeah I'm playing Noel so feel free to make a video for her :) I Think this is a great game and the animation is 2nd only to 3rd strike in my opinion. I like guns so I went with Noel. she seems pretty accessible. Anyways sorry for the novel, love the channel! Peace
I've been playing with friends on and off before rollback, and a while solo before that in previous versions of BB(it being the franchise that got me in to fighting gamss), and I will admit I haven't been then best about #1. And in regards to #5, while I have bashed my head into something approaching competent over Hazama's many versions (R.I.P. Reversal Houtenjin) other games have made it quite apparent that he has given me weird fundamentals, and I'm now working on pocketing Tsubaki, if only to get a better understanding of the game than I had.
To be fair, Calamity Trigger was a lot simpler than Central Fiction is, and at the time, CT was simpler than GGXXAC+. Who knows, maybe by the end of Strive's lifespan it'll be much more complex too.
I got back into the mix, I've played all of them, Iron Tager main here. Got it on steam like 3 months ago. It was completely dead. Couldn't even find matches online.
many months playing valkenhayn and i still drop his bnbs that i've grinded to death lol (i fought you one time btw was pretty fun) thank you for the tips man
1)Delaying teching/wakeup in order to avoid mixups will only work against beginners, against more experienced players this will most likely lead to a combo reset where in your 1st example ragna could press 2b to start a whole new combo since you did not tech. Neutral teching is almost always your safest option when your opponents ends a combo since back/forward rolls or fast wakeups can be punished if your opponent is prepared for them.You will find more success by neutral teching and guarding the mixup rather than risking with delaying your tech or hell even neutral wakeup DP is a really good option. 2)Using barrier generally is useful to not take chip damage and like you shown push further away your opponent.There are also some disadvantages like barrier making your opponent +3 on whatever hit but for beginners it does not matter.Tho no matter what you should never ever be in danger state(except if you play izanami), if your barrier is so low you should start conserving it since you take more damage in danger state and you can't block on air. 3)I 100% agree there.When you first pick up the game or a character and you go check optimal combos they might be WAY too hard for the extra 200 damage you can do.Start by learning a 2000k brainless midscreen bnb before going into 2300 bnb where you have to make frame perfect instant airdashes etc. 4)You covered Overdrive well so nothing to add here. 5)Yea i say that to many many people to start with an easy character to get used to the game before going to harder ones. For context i play blazblue since calamity trigger and i had and still have friends who are active to this day in our discord, so i hope my input is received relatively well. The only thing i disagree is the delaying teching portion of the video, while it may work against beginners people with experience will abuse this delayed tech for free combos and that habit may bite new players in the butt on the long run. Other than that however i enjoyed the video, i love the surge of new players thanks to rollback.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI You are free to form your own opinions about the game but if you ask any competent player they will disagree in that point, i know that you are good at the game based on previous videos and other methods of teching are viable *if* you are experienced at the game and know what they do. But saying to a total beginner to stop teching asap is a huge mistake, beginners do not understand the game as good as we do and they don't know when roll or delay tech is actually useful. Also your reply showed me that you can't take critique well, if your only argument against my opinion is "you are 100% wrong" that means you can't back up your opinions based on facts and research otherwise you would have posted them when others here in this comment section say the exact same thing. Ultimately say whatever you want. Your viewers as they improve(if they haven't quit) will realize what is good advice and what is bad advice. I will leave it to your imagination as to what will happen then.🤔
Use discretion. Delay teching will undoubtedly get you scooped and put back into the same situation if you're up against a competent player. Just about every character has universal setups to punish delay tech. It’s okay to tech roll if you’re reasonably spaced out between your opponent after a knockdown (for example, after an EA) but doing that it at point blank is asking to get blown up. In your Es video, the hazama player was punished about 90% for delay tech attempts everywhere on screen, and that outcome is not unique to Es because of the kinds of oki she and other characters can run. This is not the type of tech’ing advice you want to give to beginners because it creates rps scenarios in a match where there shouldnt be any. when these same players get mopped by a fundamentally solid player, they’re then clueless on what they’re doing wrong because their base knowledge of the game was skewed due to such advice. Lastly, it also ends up creating a viral effect that runs rampant on netplay as a whole and we all already that the online in this game is stigmatized as it is. Advice like this will just make it much worse. Pretty long response but hopefully i get the point across.
Don't let that discourage you he's a pro player so stuff like that's easy for him, like he said after even if it's a basic short Gatling combo as long as you end it with a knockdown and or push them to the corner you chillin.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Yeah but some people have a hard time getting a regular gatling into a special so that'll be hard for them. Even though those bnbs are super easy.
Thanks. Coming from Xrd tekken and XX. I Didn't like strive and Melty blood lumina at all. Now this seems like the fighting game I have been waiting for the last 2 years. I really hope it flourishes like guilty gear did. It's so much fun. I can see myself playing it for a lot longer then a few months. I hope it is like that for a lot of new people.
@@chillaxboi2109 No, but its rollback beta has seen a resurgence in the game’s popularity and a lot of new additions to the community, just like with Accent Core. Can’t you just be happy that more people are now trying and enjoying Blazblue instead of being that uM aCtUaLLy guy for no reason?
@@chillaxboi2109 So my dislike of newer games like Strive and MBTL is relevant to a conversation about a six year old game like BBCF...how, again? Oh right, it isn’t. Why don’t you just apologize for being a douche in THIS conversation and move on? Scrambling for a half assed distraction like some kind of politician is beneath you.
@@Sakaki98 You are not OP. If you check my comment again its edited. I thought this conversation was being had with OP. You responded as if you were and the brown of your pfp got me confused. I am not being a douche. You don't like newer games? There's a catalogue of older games with rollback in Fightcade that can provide you with the same experiences you wanted from fgs. "Now this is a fighting game" OP's literal words was what caught my attention. They discredit the fun to be had of every single fg he doesn't consider a fg. You, too. Nothing stops you guys from just not playing the newer ones. You came to the video hating, I come to show you the light of Fightcade if you didn't know it.
The delay tech advice is a double edged sword, as a Makoto main, I always look for delay or no techs. I get a gaurentee combo on delay or no techs as a new combo or a blue beat. Ragna can do this too with 2b so you have to see and know what youre opponent is doing before using this tech. Imo at least.
I just started to play Blazblue and I am in love with Naoto, a lot of people who play Blazblue told me to stay away but I am just really into all the difficult stuff he has in store. Should I really switch off to an easier character or should I stick to it. Because even if im dropping combos with Naoto I don't mind because I love the challenge and am just really enjoying his character and design. Dash cancel combos look so cool
I like playing 3 different characters. Ragna, Terumi, and the staff girl. I forgot her name. I haven't played in a while though. Might get back into it.
Since this vid is 1 year old now, I wonder if people are playing the game now… and how much tier list in the game actually matters. Like, I’d play Nine or Mai because I’m a waifu player but if they’re low can I actually play the game
One advice i can give u new players dont burst after u get hit 2 times so many new players just burst at the start and i never see them use overdrive just take that 2.8k dmg and save overdrive its much better then burst
It's okay, it's not that different from players in other genres (like MMOs) that have thousands of hours of playtime in a title and still sometimes learn something from guide aimed at new players.
i play blazblue calamity trigger so i don't have the burst thing so if i do it it use all my barrier so its verry dangerous but sometime you still need it , it's been more than a year that i play this game and my main is jin
Good advice on the characters unfortunately i have a lonstanding history of picking the hardest characters i can on accident so i will probably end up on litchi or some shit
Im bad at grabbing people and conect to aerial combos. So at start of the round we should aim inmediately to corner carry instead of an aerial combo, that one is very useful. Any advice on when its the best situation for grab? ty anyways
I need to get online more. I can get annihilated by people I’ve heard of right now. I didn’t think about that. Back in Calamity Trigger there were so many players I barely ran into any big names.
....you didn't say what would happen if you delay tech, you can get blue comboed on the point you could have teched, getting OSED by some char (ragna 22A~C) or simply opponent can start a big combo (ragna raw 2D, no cancel). I remember Players always tried to disrespect opponent during CS era by not even teching but ppl starting to create way better options to prevent that, to the point that you can cover 3 out of 4 and so people started again to neutral tech disrespect and delay tech would work 1 time out of 5 against a good opponent
Yeh wake up system in this game has been my bane so far when playing with an experienced friend of mine...I try auto tech to only get into the meat grinder
Joke becomes less funny when you realize Naoto literally can’t even get basic ass confirms into side switch combos without utilizing expert level execution like frame perfect microdash 2C😩
Damn the teching thing is actually pretty neat. Reminds me of dodge rolling in souls likes where if you just mash to soon you get shit on but if you learn the opponents timings and habits you can wake up to dodge through the meaty.
Just be careful, do it too much and youre going to get blue beat combo'd or reset, For Ragna he can 22c if he sees the delay or no tech option too often
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finally, as a veteran bb player i was looking for mistakes to make
Me too! I always knew I was doing something right!
Be a veteran -> watch video about mistakes new players make -> start making those mistakes to impersonate a new player -> fake it till you make it -> all new players guide are now available to you to help you improve -> become veteran again -> repeat
@@NaoyaYami It's like Prestige but in real life
You have a video game addiction
@@s13shaka U got a breathing addiction, so what.
1. Blaming the beast
2. Playing terumi
3. Starting off withh Jin
4. Stressing over square color
5. Playing in the region lobbies
I'll never stop doing the second ;)
@@_Sin_ you and I both
HEEEEEERES TERUMI! (I main kagura)
2 should've been NOT playing Terumi
Bought the game yesterday, is jin hard? He looks pretty cool, I have been using cool robot ninja that is technically Jin
You know Jiyuna truly loves a fighting game when he actually makes serious guides for beginners
So many BB guides are either designed for people who have never touched a fighting game, or are hyper character specific combo/setup guides. This is exactly the kind of general system fundamentals I've been looking for as someone coming in from another game.
The thing whit fighting games is that you have to put effort to lear it, not like a shooter were you just... shoot
@@alcatraz8694 Nah you gotta learn fundamentals in shooters too. Loadouts, recoil patterns, effective ranges, field of view, different hit locations, how to lead targets, movement speed, audible footstep range. People who are used to different shooters can adjust quickly to variations but there's still gonna be some time before a CS:GO player really gets comfy with Battlefield. But you can attack people who don't see you in shooters and usually have teammates so there's not the kind of head to head 1v1 accountability and learning those games feel less discouraging than fighters. Shooters aren't easier to learn or play, people are just less scared of them.
@@sdryman but for just playing it you not need all of that
@@alcatraz8694 same with fighting games though. If you just want to run in and press buttons, maybe learn a wack combo in training mode, then you can
@@FigAndFriendsi think the difference is in playerbase, everyone and their mother plays FPS games so theres alot of people around your skill level for you to play against, not the same for fighting games where both "if you go online expect to get bodied for a good while before you can compete" and "my advice to learning fighting games is pick a relatively new game where there are other new people playing" are the general consensus
To summarize:
1- Don’t auto tech, try timing it right.
2- Use barrier more often and learn to barrier dash break.
3- Focus of combos that you can finish, and learn mid-screen combos that corner carry.
4- Learn how to utilize the overdrive to your advantage.
5- Try to pick up a beginner-friendly character to learn how to game works before moving to the advance characters.
do you mind recommending 5-10 beginner friendly characters ?
@@Sh8kS Ragna, Jin, Es, Mai, Celica, Tsubaki, Noel, Hibiki, Azrael, Bullet, Susanoo, Makoto
I would love to run some matches with you brodi. I’m on PS4
@@thirdeyekatakuri same!
That moment when steps 3 and 5 don't apply because you choose to pick Hakumen as your starter character (he's my main now)
Actually didn't know you could OD on defense. I'll be sure to put this to use when I'm on Twitter pretending I play BB.
The one for wake-up options is a huge one. I'm always holding 7A+B, so it never crossed my mind to use delay neutral tech instead of just neutral tech.
Delay tech doesn't do much against some characters. I play Naoto and I usually meaty 5/2A to continue pressure after a knockdown. If they delay tech, my 5A whiffs, and I have time to do another meaty one. Best case scenario I can blue beat and reset into Phantom Pain.
Basically, delay tech is not as good of an option to do all the time as you would think. If your opponent knows how to abuse it, you should start going back to the safest option (Quick Rise).
Instant teching and rolling is the easiest way to lose.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI I rightfully disagree about instant tech. There's no inherent downside to it aside from the telegraphed wake up timing. You can't get reset off of it, you are actually at no risk. Instant tech and block.
Rolling though is asking to get killed.
yeah i think this is a more contentious issue, i think you want to tech in accordance with a gameplan against whoever your opponent is. a lot of the time forward tech roll especially is just asking to get punished because it's so full of vulnerable frames. one big thing i see a lot of new players do is in fact the opposite of this, where they're not teching at all or are mashing on tech and miss opportunities - they get blue beaten, reset, etc as a result. obviously these are people who don't have the basics down but the basics *can* take a while. i think the first step is getting people in the habit of teching properly in the first place and stuff like delay emergency tech, delay neutral tech, tech rolling etc can come a bit later. ultimately i think it makes sense to hold tech during combos and then mix things up when you see the oki incoming
Well the thing is, while it is situational, getting meatied doesn't really put you at any direct risk. Sure, your opponent keeps their pressure going but you can't expect to get ouf of pressure after every knockdown by magically doing a delay tech. That's why I think instant teching is a better option to default to than delay tech (because of the risk of getting reset is higher, and you can still get meatied afterwards if your opponent has a clue what they're doing.)
Rolling is generally really really bad though (but still somewhat situational) !
I think a very important thing to remember is to not just practice combos. Start with something simple, go online and then practice it. Don't play to win, play to implement the combo. Play to implement the blockstring. Play to implement the oki. You've learnt your BnB for your overhead 6A or smth? Now go online and learn how to catch people with it and how to do it in the actual fight. Doesn't matter if you lose. DOESN'T MATTER. Don't fall back on something you know and comfortable with. Lose the match, land the combo. Lose the match, make the oki. When you feel you're comfortable enough with this new stuff - switch to the next one.
There's a lot to be said about the level of difficulty in fg's and the reward. BBCF is just right. Good tips for anyone, even vets.
as i heard it put so eloquently: "The best combos in the game are combos you can finish"
Statisticaly, doing 5k dmg 100% of the time is better than doing 10k with less than at least 50% success rate. Especially when all you need is that 5k to win the round.
LOL first sponsored video, nice, you get that bread Jiyuna!
@Lilgav I must have
I've done like 20+ sponsored videos/streams.
"but let's agree to disagree" I absolutely agree with you to try out an easier character to get used to the mechanics and the feel of the flow. It's not like it HAS to be your main, might only be an hour or so to figure out how things work and then some bouncing around who you like but the key is to be able to keep you feet under you whether you wanna run first or walk first your feet need to be under you or you fall on your ass.
This is genuinely one of the best BBCF guide out there. I've been picking up CF again because of the rollback so this clearly the guide I need.
Thank you Jiyunaa, you really are in love with this game to come up with this amazing guide. 🙏
Finally a Hero Wars guide from the Anime Illuminati
Im actually enjoying to see Jiyuna helping out with pretty good tips. Im not new to Blazblue but never jumped up to online and then i realize i needed recover tips cause i was getting my ass kicked, i couldn't escape from loops of combos
I actually fully agree with that last point. I tried playing Hazama when I first started. It wasn't having a great time but I chose him cause I thought he was cool. Eventually I switched to Hibiki and my experience was so much better afterwards.
It's crazy how similar my situation is to yours. I played a bit with him and found myself not enjoying the game because I couldn't do most of his stuff so I tried hibiki and I'm liking how things are right now. The Hazama to hibiki pipeline is real.
I'm only a couple minutes in, but I 100% love the philosophy of, "stop teching". Yeah, the pressure in these games feels super oppressive, but knockdown are so much stronger in this game, and thus is one reason why. Some matchups get completely blown up from just delay tech. Kagura comes to mind, but only cause Arcsys really hates that they gave him oki for some reason. But that's seriously a valuable first lesson to teach people, is just be patient for a sec. Knockdowns are strong, but you can weaken them with just a little patience.
Edit: okay, finished the video, and that last piece of advice is just chefs kiss, and I can't stress that enough. I played Azrael for years, since 1.0 Chrono Phantasma, and i even made pink square for the first time in the earlier days of CF 2.0., but I had a realization very recently that shook my entire perspective with this game. I wasn't really having fun, despite winning a good chunk of the time. I'd be going to our local meet up in Dallas, and having fun being with friends, but not having fun playing my character. Anytime I messed up a combo or a setup really bugged me, and I'd get really ragey after longer sets. All of a sudden, I pick Terumi back up, and it's like riding a goddamn bike.
Yeah, I may not win all the time, still, but I'm having a great time no matter what matchup, cause it's just comfortable, and gels with my playstyle to a tee. And you know what, people are sleeping on the Terumi matchup on steam sometimes, cause he's got some out of the box mixups if you stick with him, and cause he's comfortable, I don't drop stuff nearly as often. And if I do drop something, I just let out a cheeky "aw, dangit", and carry on having fun. Solid advice, just play whoever you're comfy with, and whoever fits your playstyle. You'll figure something out if you stick with it.
I miss Blazblue.
here in 2024 and started playing beginner lobby matches after having a lot of fun playing continuum shift at an arcade :) I totally suck but I'm one of those people who only get really invested in a fighting game if there is a character I resonate with. I really love Hakumen's playstyle and it'll keep me coming back to blazblue
Strive was fun for a while cuz it was easy to get into and win a good bit by mashing shit but I burned out haaaard on it. Last i played was when jack-o launched. Even tho its been wrecking my shit overall BBCF has become my new game of choice cuz I like that its just hard enough where i feel accomplished when i pull off the cool shit and i pop off the handful of times i manage to win.
thank you for the guide, I recently just got into BBCF. I've only played CPEX before and I mained Kokonoe, so I have to relearn the mechanics.
I know you're gonna be grinding in SF6 soon but I hope you come back to this game one day.
Definitely wish I had had the first tip because I started playing as floaty Rachel back in CS hahaha but it surely paid off since she’s very versatile. Any tips as for how to better read your opponents in order to switch from low to mid guard? I currently interchange it intuitively, but there must be some other trick to it. Also, how can I start implementing high jump on my gameplay generically?
Came back to Blazblue this week for the first time in several years and I've been instant teching a lot, people often drop their combo while I'm still standing and I recover into their next hit so they combo again.
3:26 you damn right!! Though someone from discord actually told me to hold the button so I can immediately tech 🤣
6:33 that helps me A LOT!! I was not sure if I should focus on labbing optimal combos or practice defense first
As others have said, delayed tech is double edge sword. It is ONLY useful when u read opponent correctly, u can even punish them on correct read. BUT, read wrong, you are in for a reset combo.
Anyway, I ... actually didn't thought about block OD before ...
I agree with your last point, I think it was good for me on +R to start with Ky before I learned Eddie and with this game I'm starting with Hibiki but I'd like to learn Carl eventually. Don't want to drown right away
Regarding mistake 1 though, good players often end their combo with a knockdown that leaves them close to the opponent and allows them to immediately do something like 2A or 2B. If you delay tech there, you'll get hit for another combo. Watch players like Fenrich, Fukku, etc and they will almost always do this to catch delay tech or roll.
False.
Well, if they usually play other non-new players, then it makes sense to assume a delayed tech. But then you can just adapt and mix it up to make it harder to guess.
3:20 you can hold the button to tech? Playing since Continium Shift 2 and never knew that was always mashin my button to get up :D
Loving these practical guides for blaze.
"Use Barrier often"- Jiyuna
Sorry but as an Izanami player the only barrier i know off is Ribcage
Would love to see more educational bbcf content in the future 🙏
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Jiyuna out here blessing with the information for free.
You don't have to be me, holding tech while Azrael left rights you for 20 games in a row before experimenting with techs.
Thank you! I was looking for a concise guide like this.
I'm glad to see influencers excited for new players entering the game.
Thanks a lot man, I can see some of my mistakes and I did almost all of them. I'm sticking with Ragna for the time being, he's fun and could help me learn a lot of the fundementals in the game. I can't wait to finish my job and get back online, it's been 2 weeks and all I do in my free time is playing BBCF, I love it.
As someone that can no longer trawl dustloop/srk… these kinds of vids are great… thanks Jiyuna!
Perfect, just what I was looking for. Question: in the barrier example it seems like it's the D-move at the end that pushes Ragna away. Should you avoid ending strings with specials if the opponent is shielding so you can stay close?
Don’t worry about your opponent shielding or not, just run your block strings.
But aren't big moves usually unsafe on block anyway so you want to finish the blockstring to get away and get time to defend if needed? Also, that's what confirms are for, right? If opponent gets hit, continue with combo, if opponent blocks, switch to blockstring so you are safe.
Very nice tips Jiyuna! I find that the overdrive being active is also good when you want to do a block string and can RC into EA if they try to punish you since it has s.
Newbie player mistake #6 for me: jumping like an idiot while playing neutral.
I still suck so much at it despite playing a punish based char(Hakumen), but I get too impatient at times..
Jump and barrier, it's fine. I'm always jumping.
As a new BBCF coming from 3rd Strike it’s hard to know when to tech as the combos are so long it’s hard to know when they end so if I don’t tech I get picked up off ground into another combo.
Jiyuna saves the BB new player experience. This main stay working.
as a new player, i legit wait for jiyuna to make videos on bo bleis so other new players feel motivated to play
I was thinking, judging by thumbnail, the worst mistake is to play "Jin, Ragna, Hibiki, Rachel, Nine". (2/5 is turned out to be true lol)
WARNING
Reception to character picks:
Carl: I hate you
Arakune: everyone hates you
Rachel: everyone hates your frog(don't worry, I love you George)
Mai: lazy
Izanami/Nine: "you only have fun because you picked a fun character"
Tager: SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR FRIENDS
Termui/Hazama: "I got stomped, okay your win GG's"
The rest? I'm sure someone's got a complaint for each of em, but they're all fun really, even the ones I'm whining about here. Just get in there and pop a cool super.
My friend hates Noel. (My main) “All they do is mash drive. That’s alllll they do. I HATE THAT STUPID LITTLE HAT!!!” LMFAOOO! His main is Tager. He has no problem winning against Noel. He just really doesn’t like her. Lol!!
Nine is so fun. Everyone should main a broken ass character at some point
I haven't played Blazblue since Continuum Shift Extend, and I got something out of this.
Shoutout to HeroWars for feeding the savior of FGC.
Damn, that's exactly the kind of stuff I needed to learn, I was having trouble getting into my defensive options in this game. Good stuff, Jiyuna, thank you.
How active is the online for PC Blazblue in Japan? I am asking because I live in Korea and have a hard time finding matches. And I have public beta test on.
So should you hold tech in the air in case your opponent drops the combo, but as soon as you feel the combo ending stop holding and delay tech?
That's a pretty good way to think about it.
Great tips! appreciate what you're doing to help new players get good Jiyuna.
Meta Game throught the games
CT: Spam D with Arakune and Nu and Ice Carz
CS1: Ragna's Belial Edge!
CS2: Makoto Lv3 Finishers
CSE: Ragna Return and Relius turn
CP1: Overdrive Mania with Ragna and Kokonoe space control
CPE: The Return of Nu
CF1: Nine Mania!
CF2: Jubei's Revenge,Izanami and and Izayoi vs Jin
3:03 so if roll back was there for years now, why is everyone suddenly excited about it?
These are same great tips. Good thing I followed most of them naturally when I started playing so I've been having a blast since the beginning.
Good job on the ad Jiyuna. You’re getting better.
5:45 dropping combos happen all the time.
Picked this up around Christmas but just got around to playing it. I'm a 3rd Strike player above all, but i actually started with Tekken and never played Street Fighter 4 (outside of some super casual matches with friends that had it) but I was super in on Tekken 6 after just dipping my toe in with DR (I played Tekken 3 for PSX a ton, especially Tekken force mode but that was different obviousy) and practiced my terribly D tier Yoshimitsu. i actually housed Nin and Knee when thy came for MLG DC since I'm from Northern VA or DMV or whatever.
All that to say I want to learn Blazblue for real as I think it would be good complement to 3rd Strike. I'll be at Summer Jam, I'm only signed up for 3rd Strike but I'm considering Tekken and Blazblue (and ST for that matter). I'll be watching all you tutorials. I went through intermediate tutorial and Noel character specific or whatever. Anyways yeah I'm playing Noel so feel free to make a video for her :) I Think this is a great game and the animation is 2nd only to 3rd strike in my opinion. I like guns so I went with Noel. she seems pretty accessible. Anyways sorry for the novel, love the channel! Peace
I've been playing with friends on and off before rollback, and a while solo before that in previous versions of BB(it being the franchise that got me in to fighting gamss), and I will admit I haven't been then best about #1.
And in regards to #5, while I have bashed my head into something approaching competent over Hazama's many versions (R.I.P. Reversal Houtenjin) other games have made it quite apparent that he has given me weird fundamentals, and I'm now working on pocketing Tsubaki, if only to get a better understanding of the game than I had.
10:54 That wheel of fate sure turned around and now BlazBabies get to talk down to Guilty Garten kids about their "easy game"... I love it 🤣🤣
To be fair, Calamity Trigger was a lot simpler than Central Fiction is, and at the time, CT was simpler than GGXXAC+. Who knows, maybe by the end of Strive's lifespan it'll be much more complex too.
i remember in blazblue3 lots of characters doesn't even had good combo without overdrive/supers
How do you use the training room and how do you review footage when you lose a match to fix mistakes?
I don't lmao
You can save replay after the match, the stored data can be viewed from Replay Theater mode in the main menu
For a guy who is actually a fan of the series this is actually very useful for newcomers
I got back into the mix, I've played all of them, Iron Tager main here. Got it on steam like 3 months ago. It was completely dead. Couldn't even find matches online.
Mistake 1: coming from Guilty Gear strive
many months playing valkenhayn and i still drop his bnbs that i've grinded to death lol (i fought you one time btw was pretty fun) thank you for the tips man
1)Delaying teching/wakeup in order to avoid mixups will only work against beginners, against more experienced players this will most likely lead to a combo reset where in your 1st example ragna could press 2b to start a whole new combo since you did not tech.
Neutral teching is almost always your safest option when your opponents ends a combo since back/forward rolls or fast wakeups can be punished if your opponent is prepared for them.You will find more success by neutral teching and guarding the mixup rather than risking with delaying your tech or hell even neutral wakeup DP is a really good option.
2)Using barrier generally is useful to not take chip damage and like you shown push further away your opponent.There are also some disadvantages like barrier making your opponent +3 on whatever hit but for beginners it does not matter.Tho no matter what you should never ever be in danger state(except if you play izanami), if your barrier is so low you should start conserving it since you take more damage in danger state and you can't block on air.
3)I 100% agree there.When you first pick up the game or a character and you go check optimal combos they might be WAY too hard for the extra 200 damage you can do.Start by learning a 2000k brainless midscreen bnb before going into 2300 bnb where you have to make frame perfect instant airdashes etc.
4)You covered Overdrive well so nothing to add here.
5)Yea i say that to many many people to start with an easy character to get used to the game before going to harder ones.
For context i play blazblue since calamity trigger and i had and still have friends who are active to this day in our discord, so i hope my input is received relatively well.
The only thing i disagree is the delaying teching portion of the video, while it may work against beginners people with experience will abuse this delayed tech for free combos and that habit may bite new players in the butt on the long run.
Other than that however i enjoyed the video, i love the surge of new players thanks to rollback.
You are 100% wrong on the first comment. Stopped reading.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI You are free to form your own opinions about the game but if you ask any competent player they will disagree in that point, i know that you are good at the game based on previous videos and other methods of teching are viable *if* you are experienced at the game and know what they do.
But saying to a total beginner to stop teching asap is a huge mistake, beginners do not understand the game as good as we do and they don't know when roll or delay tech is actually useful.
Also your reply showed me that you can't take critique well, if your only argument against my opinion is "you are 100% wrong" that means you can't back up your opinions based on facts and research otherwise you would have posted them when others here in this comment section say the exact same thing.
Ultimately say whatever you want. Your viewers as they improve(if they haven't quit) will realize what is good advice and what is bad advice.
I will leave it to your imagination as to what will happen then.🤔
@@SkepticRyo lmao.
Use discretion. Delay teching will undoubtedly get you scooped and put back into the same situation if you're up against a competent player. Just about every character has universal setups to punish delay tech. It’s okay to tech roll if you’re reasonably spaced out between your opponent after a knockdown (for example, after an EA) but doing that it at point blank is asking to get blown up.
In your Es video, the hazama player was punished about 90% for delay tech attempts everywhere on screen, and that outcome is not unique to Es because of the kinds of oki she and other characters can run.
This is not the type of tech’ing advice you want to give to beginners because it creates rps scenarios in a match where there shouldnt be any. when these same players get mopped by a fundamentally solid player, they’re then clueless on what they’re doing wrong because their base knowledge of the game was skewed due to such advice.
Lastly, it also ends up creating a viral effect that runs rampant on netplay as a whole and we all already that the online in this game is stigmatized as it is. Advice like this will just make it much worse.
Pretty long response but hopefully i get the point across.
Great video bro! :D
Using Overdrive also only costs 2/3 of the meter, compared to bursting using the entire meter.
This combo that carried Ragna nearly full screen, was easy.
Might be time to find another game. I don't feel so good
Don't let that discourage you he's a pro player so stuff like that's easy for him, like he said after even if it's a basic short Gatling combo as long as you end it with a knockdown and or push them to the corner you chillin.
The combo is just the same sequence repeated 3 times. It's really not hard.
3C > 5D > 214B > 3C > 5D > 214B > 3C > 5D > 214C
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Yeah but some people have a hard time getting a regular gatling into a special so that'll be hard for them. Even though those bnbs are super easy.
Thanks. Coming from Xrd tekken and XX. I Didn't like strive and Melty blood lumina at all. Now this seems like the fighting game I have been waiting for the last 2 years. I really hope it flourishes like guilty gear did. It's so much fun. I can see myself playing it for a lot longer then a few months. I hope it is like that for a lot of new people.
The game is not new...
@@chillaxboi2109
No, but its rollback beta has seen a resurgence in the game’s popularity and a lot of new additions to the community, just like with Accent Core. Can’t you just be happy that more people are now trying and enjoying Blazblue instead of being that uM aCtUaLLy guy for no reason?
@@Sakaki98 I am happy for Blazeblue, you are the one hating on newer games. Lol.
Edit: Not you, OP.
@@chillaxboi2109
So my dislike of newer games like Strive and MBTL is relevant to a conversation about a six year old game like BBCF...how, again? Oh right, it isn’t.
Why don’t you just apologize for being a douche in THIS conversation and move on? Scrambling for a half assed distraction like some kind of politician is beneath you.
@@Sakaki98 You are not OP. If you check my comment again its edited. I thought this conversation was being had with OP. You responded as if you were and the brown of your pfp got me confused.
I am not being a douche. You don't like newer games? There's a catalogue of older games with rollback in Fightcade that can provide you with the same experiences you wanted from fgs.
"Now this is a fighting game" OP's literal words was what caught my attention. They discredit the fun to be had of every single fg he doesn't consider a fg. You, too.
Nothing stops you guys from just not playing the newer ones. You came to the video hating, I come to show you the light of Fightcade if you didn't know it.
The delay tech advice is a double edged sword, as a Makoto main, I always look for delay or no techs. I get a gaurentee combo on delay or no techs as a new combo or a blue beat. Ragna can do this too with 2b so you have to see and know what youre opponent is doing before using this tech. Imo at least.
Yeah lol, as Azrael I'm always looking for delay techs because I just get a free weakpoint on that lmao
These tips are really helpful, thank you!
Edit: and thanks to these tips, I saw myself improve in an instant.
I just started to play Blazblue and I am in love with Naoto, a lot of people who play Blazblue told me to stay away but I am just really into all the difficult stuff he has in store. Should I really switch off to an easier character or should I stick to it. Because even if im dropping combos with Naoto I don't mind because I love the challenge and am just really enjoying his character and design.
Dash cancel combos look so cool
Make a video talking about character difficulty please 🥺
I like playing 3 different characters. Ragna, Terumi, and the staff girl. I forgot her name. I haven't played in a while though. Might get back into it.
actually platinum is a boi lol
@@negy4463 Oh? Sorry my bad
Rollback gave the game a fresh start! But it is very hard to compete with the OGs out there lol
Nah, you definitely want to mix your timing on tech. That’s regular to me. VF kinda teaches this too because we have OTGs and the like.
4.5 every character when they use an OD stock get different buffs relating to their D moves when the blue aura is over them
awesome video ! Woiuld be cool to do more guides like that !
So many things I wish I knew while playing with my buddy, a nasty arakune main.
When I was playing lambda I learned to do spike oki and every time my opponent would delay tech I'd get a 4k damage reset
DNF Duel beta ended my man jumped right into the BBCF content
Since this vid is 1 year old now, I wonder if people are playing the game now… and how much tier list in the game actually matters.
Like, I’d play Nine or Mai because I’m a waifu player but if they’re low can I actually play the game
One advice i can give u new players dont burst after u get hit 2 times so many new players just burst at the start and i never see them use overdrive just take that 2.8k dmg and save overdrive its much better then burst
I've been playing BB for years and I can't lie, I still do half of these... 🙃
It's okay, it's not that different from players in other genres (like MMOs) that have thousands of hours of playtime in a title and still sometimes learn something from guide aimed at new players.
Where would you say Jubei sits on the beginner friendly spectrum?
Intermediate.
i play blazblue calamity trigger so i don't have the burst thing so if i do it it use all my barrier so its verry dangerous but sometime you still need it , it's been more than a year that i play this game and my main is jin
Not teching or delaying it doesn't work when facing certain okis, though.
Good advice on the characters unfortunately i have a lonstanding history of picking the hardest characters i can on accident so i will probably end up on litchi or some shit
Im bad at grabbing people and conect to aerial combos. So at start of the round we should aim inmediately to corner carry instead of an aerial combo, that one is very useful. Any advice on when its the best situation for grab? ty anyways
I need to get online more. I can get annihilated by people I’ve heard of right now. I didn’t think about that. Back in Calamity Trigger there were so many players I barely ran into any big names.
....you didn't say what would happen if you delay tech, you can get blue comboed on the point you could have teched, getting OSED by some char (ragna 22A~C) or simply opponent can start a big combo (ragna raw 2D, no cancel). I remember Players always tried to disrespect opponent during CS era by not even teching but ppl starting to create way better options to prevent that, to the point that you can cover 3 out of 4 and so people started again to neutral tech
disrespect and delay tech would work 1 time out of 5 against a good opponent
Jiyuna please teach me the lord and savior Arakune
Yeh wake up system in this game has been my bane so far when playing with an experienced friend of mine...I try auto tech to only get into the meat grinder
"stop doing optimal stuff"
us naoto players: "wait, there's non-optimal stuff?"
Joke becomes less funny when you realize Naoto literally can’t even get basic ass confirms into side switch combos without utilizing expert level execution like frame perfect microdash 2C😩
@@Sakaki98 i know, im said newbie naoto player XD
@@kristiyandimitrov4713
United in arthritis, we stand
I was wondering if the combo challenges combos are practical in everyday gameplay for most characters
They teach you basic routes and combo ideas. Practical but not optimal; they’re ok to start with.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Cool thanks. Love the content man
this BB videos are going to save Jiyuna, finally hell reach the glorius 69k subs, come on guys!, lesssgo!
This was actually great, very helpful. You can apply these rules to other games as well.
One mistake everyone is making is not trying to astral everytime it's possible.
"mid-screen combos dont do a lot of damage"
Nine players: *pathetic*
Damn the teching thing is actually pretty neat. Reminds me of dodge rolling in souls likes where if you just mash to soon you get shit on but if you learn the opponents timings and habits you can wake up to dodge through the meaty.
Just be careful, do it too much and youre going to get blue beat combo'd or reset, For Ragna he can 22c if he sees the delay or no tech option too often