Searching for Saraswati: How a Mythical Indian River Is Fueling Hindu Nationalism | Op-Docs
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- This week we bring you Shirley Abraham and Amit Madheshiya’s masterful film, “Searching for Saraswati,” a wry, modern-day parable of religion and politics that plays out in the Indian countryside. Abraham and Madheshiya - who previously directed the exquisite feature documentary, “The Cinema Travellers” - spin an understated and hilarious portrait of politicians, priests and religious devotees all hurrying to get in on what they hope will be a religious and cultural groundswell, no matter what the skeptics say. Read the article here: nyti.ms/2Jlq3MI
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The fact, that there really was Saraswati river which flowed from Himalayas and to Arabian sea, cannot be denied. It dried up some 3000 years ago. Just because a budget has been allocated for archaeological survey, one shouldn't start linking it with religion while reporting. Some people may have faith, no one can stop them from having that. I guess 'some' people on this earth still believe that a man existed about 2000 years ago, who came back to life three days after he died on a cross.
There’s no archaeological evidence whatsoever that it existed, it can 100 percent very easily be denied since the simple fact it is the only thing to EVER be uncovered by researchers was evidence that it did NOT exist not that it DID exist
If you weren't present there at a time, neither you can deny it.
There was some research that there is 1: trillion or 1 in quadrillion chances of women getting pregnant without intercourse having something to do with vaginal liquids and discharges like sweat or something.
@@Only_God_Is_Allah_SWT yes, i agree with you.... Jesus was a extraordinary human different from krshna. But still similar. Jesus is the son of god. Krishna is most perfect incarnation of brahman. The most color aspect of vishnu. English language is quite limiting
the historical facts of the indian subcontinent are called myths and the myths of the abrahamic religions are called truths.
I feel so sorry for all Hindus who are brainwashed by their government. Nobody claims what you say, other than fundamentalist Christians
yes abrahmic religions are true yours are mythogolies
@@abd8729 Abrahamic are fake and that's why people are leaving these religions in record numbers. In a few years they will become dead religions
@Bigman1 S huh?
@@abd8729 well then I suppose you're the truthsayer for your abrahamic god
Now a research found sarasvati does exist
Bro really wanna know about the reports? Where to look for can you share me the article or serve proof?
And it's your people only you guys are making them blv by forcing them won't be right thing to do, you have seen right how they are using the God to benefit them or to gain power.
Sometimes i just wish china and india becomes best friend in future and show these Western world there true aukaad... May b in 2050
👍👍👍
Just Like A Movie, Must Say the Last Scene Was Something Amazing. Jai Saraswati Maa
Reminds me of Amitabh Bachchan Maa dialogue in Zanzeer .
You had me at "mythical". Seriously, this is news?
Satellite images, supported by a four-year drilling exercise, which was guided by ancient literature, have established that the river Saraswati is not a myth. It was a huge river that died a premature death about 5,000 years ago, and is now buried 60 metres below the ground. A map of all the channels discovered so far leads one to conclude that it was probably 1,500 km long, three to fifteen kms wide, and about five metres deep. The river probably crisscrossed the present-day states of Himachal Pradesh, Haryana, Punjab and Rajasthan. S C Sharma, regional director, cgwb, says it continues to flow to the sea at a rate of 20 metres a year.
The prospect of rediscovering the Saraswati was triggered off by digital photographs sent by the American satellite Landsat. To the surprise of many scientists, the photographs showed the presence of underground water in a definitive pattern in the Jaisalmer area. It was during this time that scientists started speaking of a large palaeo-channel in Rajasthan that could well belong to a big river.
Remote sensing images of the isro and the Geological Survey of India (gsi) also found the existence of palaeo-channels of a mighty river in seven to eight places, all lying on the west of the Aravalli ranges. The images pointed to the possibility that the river started at the foothills of the Aravallis and shifted westward in stages. The river seems to enter Rajasthan in Ganganagar district, with its tail ends in Bikaner and Jaisalmer districts, a few kilometres from the Rann of Kutchh.
Further, a geophysical survey undertaken by the rgwd in the Tanot and Longewala areas indicated the existence of coarse sediments in the depth range of 30 to 60 metres pointing to the possibility of the existence of a river in the region.
Hey NY, when you going to make documentary on Black stone in Mecca?
Never
Nhi bhai propaganda nyt ka hindu india k logo k liye h bss.. leftist communist newspaper h ye
Go ahead its just a stone, as 2nd Caliph Umar said , “I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; & if it were not that I had seen Allāh’s Messenger( Muhammad) - peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him - kiss you, I would never have kissed you.”
What about the stone? We do not worship it? There is nothing "mythical" about it, it exists we can all see it unlike this so-called river.
Also wtf did we do why do yall have to drag Muslims into everything.
@@jigsaw2281 You lot will really believe anything to justify your stupidity wont you
एकाचेतत् सरस्वती नदीनां शुचिर् यती गिरिभ्य आ समुद्रात्।
रायश् चेतन्ती भुवनस्य भूरेर् घृतम् पयो दुदुहे नाहुषाय॥
- Rig Veda, Verse 8-95
English Translation :
"Of all the Great existing Rivers, Saraswati alone became Caring as a Mother, Flowing pure from the mountains of the higher planes up to the lower ocean (. Being Caring of the riches of the manifold world, She has yielded for the Humans who dwells near her the best of milk and clarified butter" (From the Cows which dwell near the river)
As an Indian Atheist, I think it would be trivial for my Ancestors to lie about existence of the Great River Saraswati which dried up sometime around 1500 B.C. Regardless of whether Saraswati exists or not today, Hindu Nationalism is on the rise and that is a Great thing !!!
Maa saraswati please bless them with your knowledge...
India needs your knowledge 🙏
My personal opinion after seeing this video is that NYT has neither confirmed nor denied existence of Saraswati . This is subject of further thorough archaeological study .
My personal opinion after watching the video and reading your nonsense. There might have been a great river called the Saraswati a long long time back. So? Several rivers have died over time. Name one that has been revived with mans effort. This is political bs catering to over religious clowns and nothing more
It will prove the myth in "mythology"
Dummies doesn't understand research tell me what benefits do research of how many drop of saliva does a dog produce under different condition
Nyt is suffering from Hinduphobia.
Why not make a doc on flat earthers
there is infact a vid on falt earthers, made by nyt
Vedic books also said about ganga yamuna and brahmputra dont you think if those people marked 3 rivers right they would be like nah lets mark 4 th wrong to fool people
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Nytimes has gone mad. Completely mad! Their last opinion, I read about India was that, Indian Govt. is promoting Saree industry for converting Muslims and now this! WOW! Just WOW!
New York times has a history of hinduphobia, remember the cartoon they made on isro with a cow...
NYT let's talk about the Christian Nationalism for a change huh?
Why doesn't American nationalism which includes the church not called Christian nationalism? Clearly this is Ill intentioned
Well, for them the Christian crimes and atrocities against the Heathen is totally justified as their cult manual clearly mentions that the non-believers should be killed and converted.
Call the geologist the right ones and slam the reports of the river's existence on face of people calling it as myth 😠
Be it religious reason or whatever else fact is we need to revive all our rivers and this will help our next generation.
For all those who are interested in getting detail presentations on Saraswati river, Vedic age, Mahabharata & link between them
I am a Hindu and I want this nation to become Dharmic. This nation is for Dharmic Tradition not for Abrahamic...
Papa Mahadev The country is secular, for all kind of religions' people.
Papa Mahadev you realize how racist you are sounding! You want people to appreciate India then you RESPECT other religions and beliefs! NOT SPREAD HATE!!!!
Have you ever bothered to realize religion never teaches you be causing hinsa! which is what your doing
Amit Shah where did he talk about Hinsa or disrespecting anyone. You judge people too early.
Yash Agrawal Secularism is a western import. It applies to countries where Abrahamic religions are a majority. Hindus are naturally inclusive and respectful of others.
Yash and Amit - Keep doing the sissy act and soon your India will become Islamic Republic ( Most Muslims are eager to bring about a Gazwa E Hind anyway like their prophet had prophesied ) . I live in Germany and Europe is feeling the pain of being politically correct , tolerant and multicultural . Nations like Sweden have already fallen and Germany will fall soon as well because of weak , effeminate lefty ideas like these . Know the difference between Dharma Traditions and Abrahamic religions and you will agree that for India to remain free and secular its Dharma which must be strengthened. If Dharma remains India will continue to be the nation you have known up till now and will grow further .
the best actor was the frog in the well :D
people commenting about caste , listen., hinduism does not have any caste , this is just another bad thing created in indian society , vedas do not mention any caste .. thereis nothing like higher or lower caste ..
Why New York Times & other western journals already trying to show Indian history as mythology ⚔️
Quality scripting. Poignant cinematography. Very well controlled dialogues. And ofcourse spectacular editing. Well done NYT. Good movie. Should get an Oscar.
nobody denies the existence of saraswati but it was a rain fed river and due to change in moonson patern it dried away 4500 years ago. Thats why one can find archeological sights like dholavera, kalabhagan harappa, lothal in the saraswati basin. All these civilsation migrated to east .
Now there is no point in reviving the holy river again
Michel Danino's book on the Saraswati tells a true story. NASA has documented the existence of the river bed, now dry. The NYTimes fails to mention any of this. There will be people who will exploit these facts to their own ends unfortunately. And once again Hinduism will take a hit.
Still better than blowing up buses
There is evidence the river existed. So it isn't mythical.
I am a Gowda Saraswat Bramhin and My Anchestors lived on the banks of river saraswathi and then came down to south India (Gowda desha), hence we are called Gowda Saraswatha Bramhin. Unlike you guys in the US we know who we are and where we come from. And yes we are native people of India. Do you ever make any documentary on Native Americans or "Red Indians"(as racist Europeans called them). Their population is small percentage of U.S. population, during one time they were the only ones living in the US.
You must be but the river is no more and you only say faking that saraswati river has been found out wouldn't a blasphemy to the saraswati goddess? You want that people use her name for money and power? Are you ok with that?
I would prefer to worship Saraswati rather than new York times stop speeding lies about my religion...
what lies...it is plain in front of your eyes..nyt showed how govts fool people...but u will never accept the reality.
Swarnim Jha
You believe in this fraud?
Brilliant work Abraham and Madheshiya
The locked school door at 7:49 is such a powerful image!
I have no problem with these people being deeply proud of their ethnic roots, their individuality, their spirituality, or anything. I'm happy these people are proud to be who they are And believe in whatever they choose to believe in a
Hector Morales indian space agency proofed its existance
www.opindia.com/2018/01/isros-findings-should-put-an-end-to-the-myth-of-the-saraswati-river-being-a-myth/
Thank you sir 😊
I also respect those who respect mine
*If vedic informations are myth to you then Bible , abraham and jesus are also myth.Just try to remove biblical informations from history before trying to malign vedas*
theres no comparison to it...abrahimcs are organized people..one faith..one book...one god...cant even compare to your so called religion which was made in isolation..like a lost tribe...youll always remain backward
Congrats Amit Madhesia !
Mythical this Nasty word has being destroying The History since ages 😂👍
People of India have still not comprehended the power of RTI Act.
It's not mythical anymore. There are lot of archeological evidences now worldwide.
They left Saraswati behind but brought back Ram😂
That Farmer saying was very ominous😮
A good example that intellectuals influenced by the social sciences employ the same debating tactics as proselytizing Christian missionaries.
Take the word "mythical" in the title. The intent is that it is wrong for a government to initiate research on a mythical topic. So far, so good. But this video clip has the support of those researchers who believe the Aryan Migration theory; the Aryan Migration theory was born out of the Biblical migration accounts of Shem, Ham and Japheth. If you can grow a theory out of Shem, Ham, Japheth, please grant the government the same privilege: that of growing a theory out of the story of Saraswati.
There are some who make sarcastic comments on reviving a river. The contrast set here is the river revival project by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's Art of Living. It would have been good if the video clip could have inserted a reference to that; at least the public would know that river revival is feasible.
It is true that the public dirty the river water, but also use the river water for seemingly clean activities such as bathing, washing clothes and puja. So it seems illogical. In fact, it was logical when populations were smaller; for rivers have self-cleaning properties. This self-cleaning property has been overwhelmed by modern populations, which are very large. The video clip could have inserted a reference to the self-cleaning properties of rivers, too.
All in all, this video clip has studiously avoided the Principle of Charity. The video clip has followed the proselytizing Christian trope of finding followers of adhyatma as stupid and immoral. It is one more evidence that the social sciences smuggle (proselytizing) Christian theology in secular clothes.
There are 2 theories on this 1) saraswati is Ghaggar hakra river that flows in rajasthan 2)it is dried because rajasthan is desert
4:55 he didn't used "high caste Brahmin " he just said brahim .you deliberately added that fake subtitle .shameful propaganda .
abay stupid brahman high caste hi hota hai....
@@RahulSinghpixalrahul abey gadhe translation Ka ek method Hota hai . Yaha Jo Bola hai uska translation galat hai.
@@mohitojha7730 kabhi holywood movie dekha hota subtitles ke sath to pata hota.....
Are the replies contradicting am a algerian very intrested in indian culture cause if what you say is real it would bé very shameful
@@yanniammari1491 yes i know racist is everywhere on earth.....
That River Saraswati used to Flow in the North-Western regions of India(including today's Paksitan)... is a #FACT. When you check the fossils & sediments from places in Rajasthan, Sindh(in Pakistan), Gujarat... you do get corraborative data.#BUT.. for people in a town to worship groundwater is certainly STUPID. That DOES NOT negate the River.
There is no real concrete evidence that it existed as of yet, its exact map isn't even confirmed to begin with, religious text only talks about a general region
It could be any well as far as we're concerned.
insane on so many levels
FANtastic!!!❤️
This documentary is just made to make fun of Hinduism by false representation
7:55 is epic!!
American people think jesus will born in usa😂😂😂😂
😂call other myths😂
These actors are great, story is egregious.
Its not a mythical river...
It's our history which ignorant people can't get over.
hinduism is the greatest religion in the world
Why r they trying to make hindu nationalism a bad thing.... I a proud hindu and i m nationalist so what?
What a beautiful story. When the guy said, "once She flows we will become like America and other nations." I couldn't help but remember what the goddess Saraswati stands for. Wisdom, knowledge, the arts, music, and learning. I feel that he is so caught up in the idea of an actual physical river, he seems to be forgetting the underlying truth of what he is saying. When wisdom, knowledge, learning, music and the arts are flowing, they will become strong like other nations.
An interesting documentary.
That guy claims the water can do miracles. A pity it doesn't cure lying.
It is a river in desert so he is true
a river in a desert does wonders
Once the river channel is dug. Where will the water come which will flow through it and where will it begin and end?
Any experts?
from tributaries of Indus River which have been allocated to india in indus river water sharing treaty 1961 b/w india and pakistan but have not been diverted to indian land till date due to strong islamist lobby in indian subcontinent
Need to spend more R&D funds to take this forward.
5:37 this guy sounds halarious
this is easily the best nyt mini-doc i've seen on here
NO it isn't its biased and has information missing, is one sided and was created with an agenda ......
We cant call it biased since one of this is edited.
how is it biased
@@AA-rt1mc no its not
Thanks a lot very gd job
wow great movie.....love it....
but science says that there was sarasvati river
To fill up the river again is a gigantic move.. India better spend the money to improves Indian poors living
Let's hurry up and make this holy river flow so we can fill it with corpses, garbage, chemicals, feces just like the holy river Mother Ganga.
That River Saraswati used to Flow in the North-Western regions of India(including today's Paksitan)... is a #FACT. When you check the fossils & sediments from places in Rajasthan, Sindh(in Pakistan), Gujarat... you do get corraborative data.#BUT.. for people in a town to worship groundwater is certainly STUPID. That DOES NOT negate the River.
That's what you get from 65+ years of pseudo-Marxist five-year plan economies. 65+ years of "secularism" that only targets Hindu Temples for syphoning off takings from their congression, putting politicians (some even Christian and Muslim!!) on the boards of the Temples, leaving Churches and Mosques unmolested (fine form of "secularism" that!). That's what you get from 65+ years that have completely ripped out Sanatana Dharma from Education that puts Environmental Protection at its heart timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Vedic-perspective-on-environment/articleshow/4613346.cms The sooner India returns to Dharma the better it will be for all, including the enviroment www.sanskrit.nic.in/SVimarsha/V2/c17.pdf
No need to comment on things you don't understand.
You really have to stop believing everything you're spoonfed. Your comment made me wonder if people are really this stupid in the world.
Superlike !
Jai Maa saraswati ki 🙏
Some people deserve to be **** right between the eyes.
"Give me a false notion, I can move the earth"
Very well and exact scenario in this country
Really! NYtimez is worried about rising Hindu Nationalism?
Punjab's water is stolen again and again by violating International Riparian Law. SYL failed and now they want to divert water from Himachal to their so-called sarasvati mata.
And this is why Sikhs demanded Khalistan !!
Funny how some people believe that a woman can have a baby while being a virgin
A video by breaking india forces
This is strange for a logical thinker but it makes sense when one looks it from historical and cultural perspective.
You mean from a religious perspective?
Joyal kurian
Nope religion is used for abhrahimic faith.
India is not a religious country but a Dharmic country
caste system is the foundation stone of the Hinduism or the so called the Dharmic thing.. The day caste system and the brahmin supremacy fails, hinduism too will collapse.
Joyal kurian
Is caste a SANSKRIT word??
Or caste a Portuguese word??
Enforced by bristishers on us.
@@joyal876You got it from a father or a pastor..?
My Fellow Indians,West has been appropriating Indian History for long... The West does not want India to emerge as a Strong State but a subservient to their dictates.
Don't be carried away by this propaganda.
Before rejecting the Saraswati concept, just read works of Subhash Kak, David Frawley, Koenraad Elst. The Saraswati concept has been scientifically, geologically argued.
Also Michel Danino. This NYT film is pure propaganda from white-supremacist, hinduphobic point of view.
NYT won't be able to deny the existence of this River...time will tell
Im offended!
But at the same time Im sad that Hinduism is going directionless, in this way we will vanish.
These govts who claim to be devoted for Hinduism are actually doing nothing but politics to be in power and people like idiots trust them.
The negatives of Hindu nationalism is uneducated people are getting radicalized.
Just skewed trash talk.
And what's the problem with admiring the Saraswati River? Yes it was once a mighty river, and satellite images prove it. Maybe NY Times should also claim that satellites are mythological? Just to be consistent.
Next give 10000 for this
Who fathered those frogs in the gerbh of sarswati well!!
Muhammad
Why why why hindu nationalism
Is it wrong to be a hindu in india?
Is it wrong to be a nationalist
The Fact That Saraswati
Flowed And It's Actually Proven By Satelite Imagery and You Use The Word
" Mythical "
😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑
Gives Me Idea About You're Idealogy
Let INDIANs Decide How To Rediscover Themselves
Good grief! I feel badly for all of these villagers who believe that the water was medicinal. Glad all pulling this faith-based scam were questioned by Jarnail Singh (the really intelligent farmer). Also glad that P.P. Kapoor made them understand that there was no proof of the river's existence.
"Those who question God cannot prosper" This is the mentality that holds many people back and causes many really bad decisions to be made.
Wots dat song @ 3:30 ...? anyone.
Hey NY Times. Go make a video celebrating the research and findings of Noah’s ark (a story stolen from Hinduism!!!)
mythical river ... really. ?? stop ur propaganda and leave us .
They don't even know that rivers flow from mountain to oceans
It is better to live with myth and not with jihad
Myth is more potent than history! - Robert Fulghum, True Love :(
Song at 7:50?
Saraswati bhajan.
Religious music
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
Thats the dumbest thing I've heard anyone say.
Zaki Sadiqi it nationalism
Socialism is the last refuge of scoundrels.
Communism is the last refuge of scoundrels.
Religion is the last refuge of scoundrels.
Abhilash J
Religion is
But Dharma is not.
Find a difference between religion and Dharma
Probably a quote by a jew -- who had no nationality during world war .... Nationalism is the fundamental identity of every human ... Religion or Political identity is imagination
Caste system is a reality....
Which is a barrier for progress and hinduvatha...
Nawaazudin ka bhai MIL gaya
Did anyone ever mention to you guys, that you guys are just like any other news outlet? Just looking for something weird somewhere so you can 'wow' your viewers? Get some integrity
Many things in Hinduism are 'symbolic' and need not be taken literally!
This is a masterpiece - they should get an award!
Those who can not live in present or handle the reality , always live in the mythical past.
@Sagar K J busting your sanghi a** 😂😂😂
@@Valkyri3Z busting JI. hadi
@@Random-uf9xi bhakt
@@takitako679 better than zihadi anyday
@@Random-uf9xi delusional bhakt 😂
Oh good grief any priest that quotes trump isn't very wise, sorry.
uiqwzruwrf raezrhbwhzu can't agree with that. That's just atheist fundamentalism. Tons of wise people through the ages have been of faith.
uiqwzruwrf raezrhbwhzu it does nothing to prove your point. Your reductionism and fundamentalism is the same dogmatic perspective that you hate in the religious it's just a different flavor.
people quotes trump is not wise but country that elect him as a president is so wise seriously ....ha ha ha chutiya..
Ganga Yamuna Saraswati it's a fact America could be wrong not what mentioned in Vedas
This is known as HINDUPHOBIA !!!