The current batch of torykippers are not interested in "conserving" much. They openly admit to being bomb-throwers. Brex$hit was the most profound manifestation of this, but not the only one. The only explanation I can find for the electoral success they've had is Jezz Steptoe. The "conservative with a small c" voter that we're told pervades the UK electorate must surely see "they ain't us".
Sadly they are at the tail of an economic transition that has marked the West. Slow economic decline, since 1874, industries have become rust belt as globalisation and the global South, the Brics and Emerging Nations are calling more of the shots. It's the decline of the West. The World Economic Forum are in the driving-seat, a race to the bottom and across the West the diminution of high paying industrial jobs.
I know right, I'm American and the gop is constantly rubbing their head wondering why people my age group like Obama and Bernie sanders not realizing that things like the crash of 08 left us high and dry for several years.
@@wakaisgood "Taught the correct ideology to vote for." And who exactly decides what that ideology is? Sounds like something you would find in an authoritarian state rather than a healthy functioning democracy, although calling what we have at the moment a 'healthy democracy' is generous.
@@wakaisgoodAnybody over 65 should only have a vote that counts for 0.25 of a vote since they'll have less lifetime to enjoy their influence. Brexit, prime example... Favoured by older people for whom plenty will have died before any impact on their lives, leaving no future for the young.
At our recent Australian election, a right wing pollster said “you can’t create conservatives if they’ve got nothing to conserve”. His point was that the drop in home ownership and the collapse of economic security is stopping people from people drifting rightwards in middle age. No family, no house, no car, no secure job = angry at the world.
I think Mr Albanese is on a sticky wicket, like the German Coalition. The Post War Liberal Bretton Woods era is over. The West set the agenda, the dollar was the world reserve currency and Washington and it's allies called the shots - the decline of the West is visible. Security is going out of the window, even for the Chevron LNG workers. The World is a-changing. Brics countries are a force to be reckoned with, particularly for you. Australia is going to need some powerful friends. Sad about Ukraine but The hawks in Washington are probably going to lose. They backed the wrong horse in a 2 horse race. The global South have not jumped behind the West. Hawks in Washington, are losing interest in Ukraine and now it's China instead of Russia, that is the bad guy in the Western main stream media, that Taiwan is becoming the new Ukraine.
@@wakaisgoodhahahahahaha anyone over 65 is just mentally drained and waiting to die, they shouldn't be allowed to vote because they very rarely know what's going on and are easier to manipulate, the government should have an hourly mandatory daily update program instead of stupid antique programmes for antique people. 😂
@@wakaisgoodright wing tried to get younger people on their side and now that it doesn't work the solution is to try to remove their voting rights. If the younger were raging right wing supporters the voting age wouldn't have mattered
Maybe the whole "becoming conservative" isn't necessarily linked to age but linked to how secure people are in terms of owning a home, having disposable income and financial security. If you have that, you can be in favour of tax cuts and smaller government programmes. If not, you benefit from these programmes.
True, but for the majority of people financial security itself is tied to age (granted some younger people are lucky to be financially secure at a younger age or have financial support from older relatives).
@@FightTheByte_suit yourself. My only complaint is how taxes get spent - I want them invested in the country, not spaffed on corrupt crony contracts with Tory chums Fix that, and I am happy to see my taxes put to good use 🙂
The funny thing is that the older and wealthier I got, the more I drifted to the left. My motivation is that I realise that most policies promoted by the right wing parties are not conservative any more to begin with, and they are not sustainable in the long term. It is not possible to perpetuate an economic system that leaves so many on the side. This is not good for the system itself, and I am invested in that system. I do not want a revolution. Besides, I am totally disgusted by the naked populism and often corruption by many of the right wing leaders.
I'm fifty-five, I voted conservative once in my life, in my very first election. I was in the military, and they made promises (which they didn't keep). I've moved further left ever since, and now, I'm about ready to take a can of fuel and a torch to the existing system...
ALL politicians ly to get votes. I you ask an average person on the street what politics did to improve their lives they often can't say anything. And that is even worse in a 2 party democracy like in the UK and (former) /empire commenwealth countries. Giving one the mushroom treatment (keep them in the dark and feed them shit) is one of the political governing rules that was defined by Canadian politics. Or one remark on a hot mike from one of our politicians here in the Netherlands who stated that people are way to stupid to vote! The least worst political system we have the democracy system is under threath. the French philosofer Montesquieu who gave us the Trias Politca in the west said. To become really great you have to stand with the people not above them. Even after 350+ years after his passing his logic holds on goverment and politics
@@grigandy No, 40 is middle-aged, particularly when talking about political voting brackets. "Young people" is generally considered to be the 18-25 or 18-30 bracket, in this context.
Indeed, they prefer to pocket the money that would otherwise be spent on your education and healthcare. Then they'll import Labour from India to do the jobs you're not qualified to do. It's happening now.
@theteamxxx3142 "the right wing party has been doing a shit job for years so let's go further right" Yeah flawless logic. Why don't you screw off to North Korea if you like fascists so much?
People tend to vote conservative when they have a lot to lose. It's taking longer to reach that point of having a lot to lose. Also, the torys have been in power for a long time, and I think everyone can agree recently they have been terrible.
I completely agree however I think that people vote conservative when they don’t want things to change aka they don’t want to lose things like you said.
It's also that the Conservatives don't do what it says on the tin - they do a lot of really radical, fringe ideas, especially economically If you want caution and continuity, the Tories don't offer that any more. That's why people like Rory Stewart are ex-Tories now
I totally agree. Also, Millennials have have had the Tories as their main government in power during most of their adult life. For Gen-Z, they've had Tories their entire adult life. During that time, things haven't been exactly wonderful for us! Life is more expensive, Brexit was super unpopular with younger generations, add in the environmental policies, housing problems, LGBT values, and everything else which are important topics to younger voters, and It's no wonder the Tories struggle with younger generations. If they keep targeting older voters, at the detriment of younger voters, then younger voters are going to want change, just for any hope in positive change
The Tories generally screw things up. The economy for starters. Labour are better economic managers, yet they allow this false narrative that the Tories are. The Tories waste billions and funnel billions to their mates' companies. That's what privatisation is all about. Not better services.
Totally agree. The Tories have had almost many PMs in 13 years as Labour have in the last century. They’ve gone from increasing tuition fees to Brexit, both of why have p*ssed off young people something chronic and they wonder why younger voters won’t give them the time of day. All just to appease age demographic that have never had it better. The Tories have dug their own grave and when they’ve buried themselves, it’ll be millennials and Gen Z dancing on it
The same thing is happening in Australia. My generation (millennials) have been ignored by the right completely. Short term it may benefit them but once boomers start to die out their party will waste away to nothing.
I'm American, and I wish millennials were only ignored by conservatives, instead of actively robbed. We're stuck with the bill for boomers' decades of tax breaks, decades of poor infrastructure investment, the destruction of private sector pensions, pulling up the ladder on university funding, an unaffordable housing market that only makes sense if you already own investment properties, and the fact that we'll pay into social security our whole lives, and then get next to nothing when it's our turn to retire.
It doesn't work like that. What happens is as you grow older you realise that you know nothing about the world until your about 30. You then realise all the young people vote for the wrong party's as they are clueless on how the world works. In otherworld, you will grow out of it.
We need far right parties in europe again . They would actually conserve and fix problems . Every right party in eu works for the WEF so there’s no difference with voting left or right
they do conserve. they conserve the current status quo of low taxes for rich people, regressive social ideas and fossil fuels being the predominant source of energy. they conserve bad ideas.
as neoliberal economics took hold back in the 80s and resulted in wages no longer increasing in line with productivity, it got harder and harder over time for working people to accumulate wealth. Because instead of some of the extra money they were earning their employers going into their paycheck it was all going into the pockets of the rich business owner. This meant that over time working people's pay stopped increasing at the rate it had over the live times of past generations, and assets like homes got more expensive as the rich invested their ever increasing wealth in them pushing up the average prices. So instead of constantly creating new generations of moderately well off tory voting homeowners every year, those who already had money and property got richer faster and became ever happier with the torys, while those without assets were left behind and had no reason to vote for them. This means that in order for the torys to truly regain new generations as they age they have to abandon neoliberal Thatcherite economics. But at the moment that would be like the pope deciding the bible probably isn't worth carrying on with. So they are stuck
Council house sales kept working class Tory voters with “too much to lose” onside. But there are no more desirable council houses to buy and that demographic is ageing. Having sold off the family silver the Tories have shafted themselves. Older Tory supporters are more likely to vote but that’s also running out of road. So they’re stuffed. Expect the next few elections to be fought in the gutter as that’s all that’s all they have left …
Hence they’ll probably resort to culture war shit, which I’m SURE will increase their appeal to the youth who as we know are so very socially conservative!!1!
"This means that in order for the torys to truly regain new generations as they age they have to abandon neoliberal Thatcherite economics." Thatcherism is idolised both by Labour and the Conservative Party. Indeed as you concluded, pigs will fly before these ideologies are ditched by the parties capable of governing.
100% agree. I personally believe that the rise in right wing populism around the world is a direct consequence of the failure of the neoliberal economic 'system'. For the last 3-4 decades politicians of both parties have effectively bribed voters using the proceeds of asset stripping and leverage to fund spending, tax cuts and pensions. Now there is no wealth left in the system to extract, this illusory growth is broken. Similar things have happened in the corporate word with ever increasing levels of leverage and profit extraction by the financial markets. Consequentially the Right now has nothing left to offer politically apart from culture wars hence the rise all over the western world in right wing populism. The reality is Sunak has no alternative to pursue because the only likely route to growth AND wealth distribution now requires a fundamental shift to interventionist economic policies that will be antithetical to most conservatives. Even the financial markets confirmed this in their reaction to the Truss budget (i.e. the gilts crisis). The last fundamental economic policy shift (the end of the post war consensus and shift to neoliberal monetarism under Thatcher) put the Tories in power for nearly two decades. It's therefore entirely possible that a similar fundamental economic policy shift (as is already happening in the USA under Biden's stimulus policies) could result in a similar enduring political shift to the Left.
Good analysis. It's why they still support the tripple lock on pensions. Retired people are the richest demographic in the country and get pay increases in line with inflation. Meanwhile, nurses havent had a payrise that's matched inflation since 2008. We get poorer every year yet the elderly are never worse off. One day, the elderly will die and then there will be nobody left to vote Conservative. The sad thing is that by the time most millenials will be financially secure enough (once major reforms take place), they will be far too old to have children. We are unable to start families in our 60s. We are a forgotten generation
@mr.netflix9149 we can see Thatcher's claim that "there is no such thing as society" is nonsense. We know we are part of society, and want leaders who strengthen it rather than dismantle it
@@mr.netflix9149Because it was never about age. It was about wealth and home ownership. The housing crisis has stopped people supporting the Tories and they can't fix it while keeping to their Tory values. They can only make things worse.
Young people are turning their back on the right-wing Republican party in the US too. They offer them nothing. I am 67, by the way, and have become more and more left-leaning as I get older.
Federal surveying of high school age boys in the US over the last three years seems to show that they are rapidly trending conservative. Not to say that this couldn't change by the time they are of voting age but it's an interesting observation!
The GOP consistently talks down to the younger generation, attempts to take their voting rights away, and doesn’t listen to what they want. That’s why they will struggle to get those votes. Not to say there isn’t right wing young people, there certainly is, but there is a reasonable chunk that won’t vote for the GOP because of the stuff they’ve done.
@@undead_corsair no one cares about andrew tate lol. younger kids are realizing that the Democrat party inherently despises them for their immutable identity.
Short term policy thinking for maintaining older voters, and not enough thinking for younger voters. Past generations had more opportunities, which is why they become right wing. The millennial generations aren’t seeing that and only criticisms, ridicule and unpopular policies.
Considering that Australia's birth rate currently sits at a meager 1.5, the focus on older voters is if anything a long term play. in the coming decades, younger people will have less and less of a say in politics.
Same over here in Europe old folk might be more likely to be religious but that doesnt mean they are all conservative especially in Netherlands with most people being atheist or not practicing religion
Conservatism doesn't equal hopeless. But I would doubt people's sanity, if the current Conservative government(and the few previous) actually attracts them, or they believe what is happening is right.
Neither are my parents though not all boomers are rich and more wealthy. I wished you were the majority (left leaning not poor). Though I also wished that voting was more about votes for a particular party rather than first past the post.
Yea I remember the tories getting in after my 1st election with the Lib Dems and a lot of us were tamping then, plus every year since has gotten worse and our generation getting blamed for everything 😅
You're in this metapolitics culture war over there. Shit is spreading everywhere like a disease with social media. Pathetic and desparate German conservatives like Markus Söder are trying to copy that demonizing "wokeness" and no one even knows what he is talking about lmao
I'm pretty non-partisan and usually vote Lib Dem, but the Tories rolling back on climate commitments has motivated me to vote Labour in 2024. Honestly, I do fear a Tory resurrgence. In particular I'll think they'll use the unpopularity of things like ULEZ to win back support again. After these last 7-8 years I've just come to expect the worse from this country. Has the electorate really switched to Labour and now rejecting the Brexit vision?
They'll leave the UK in such a shape that Labour will have an impossible job to complete. High hopes will be followed by similar levels of dissatisfaction and the Tories will have a good shot again in 2029, sadly.
@@oldskoolmusicnostalgia I'm not so sure. The conservative economic 'system' is thoroughly broken (as proven by Truss) so they have nowhere left to go politically, apart from increasing levels of right wing populism, infighting and political obscurity. The political trap that Sunak is caught in won't go away in opposition - look at the complete mess that the GOP is in across the pond. IMO it will take at least a decade, maybe more, for the Conservative Party to throw off the shackles of their entrenched ideology in order to be able to adopt an electable position in the current economic context. It's essentially the same political problem that Labour had in the 1980s
I mean honestly the entire west is coming off a near 40 year experiment with conservative politics. A common complaint is that even our left leaning parties are constantly shifting rightward for the last 40 years, and I think more people are wising up to the lies that conservative politics tell us.
@@mattyward1979”radical” left wing policies like a wealth tax and nationalisation are often polled as popular with all voters including conservative ones. People want radical change, it’s just no one is offering it The 2017 election saw a massive swing to Labour because of these policies and looking at the reasons people didn’t vote Labour in 2019 was mainly because of Brexit or corbyn, very few said because of labours actual policies. Parties need to offer some sort of fundamental change or people will start loosing faith in democracy (look at starmers approval ratings)
The West is declining. The post war Liberal consensus after Bretton Woods is effectively over. Left wing policies went out of the window when the industries that supported them disappeared. Labour had to become New Labour to survive. It's the unelected Deep State that call the shots, people in suits behind the scenes have the power and pull the strings. Sunak/Starmer are the Deep State's men, their puppets. If they stray from tge agenda they won't last long - q. v. Boris, Liz Truss. The markets won't like someone who is a threat.
Both the left and the right in europe works for the same boss being the eu and WEF . We need an anti system anti wef and far right party THAT IS ACTUALLY CONSERVATIVE
Beau of the Fifth Column said something on one of his recent videos that stuck with me (I'm paraphrasing here), "People generally don't become more conservative as they get older, society as a whole progresses but they don't change with the times"
To put it simply, Sunak being more popular than his party is just a repeat of the 90s when Major was popular, yet his party was not. They were worn down and too divided, being in power for so long didn't help either. History has a way of repeating itself, after all.
The demographics getting older won't help the Tories in the long run, because the only ways to rectify that are to either welcome more immigrants into the country, a non-starter for them 😅 or to radically change the economy in such a way that raising a family actually becomes affordable... and Tories don't like helping people 😅
Can thank laissez-faire economics from Reagan/Thatcher for stagnant wages and inequality. Not from the UK but I’m ready for baby boomers to get out of the way, no offense. I’ve got my pitchfork ready for a few CEOs. 🤣
I’m left wing but I disagree with the reasons for stagnant wage growth. If we actually had a laissez-faire economy yes there would be problems but people would at least actually be paid a decent salary. Instead we have free markets whenever it benefits corporations and the wealthy, while we get corporate welfare and arbitrary government controls whenever the free market would benefit your average person.
@@Dylan-hy2zj wages have been stagnating in the US since 1983, can’t speak to the UK but suspect it’s similar iirc the chart in video. I agree with everything else you said of course.
Your "instead" sentence is literally describing the direct results of laissez-faire capitalism. It's easy to say "well actually our system is different because corporations and the wealthy own everything so it's not REALLY free", but that's literally what capitalism is. Corporations and the mega rich control everything because the fundamental FOUNDATIONS of a profit incentive directly lead to that exact outcome.@@Dylan-hy2zj
Imagine seeing such a huge decline during, what should be, the best years of your life (as a millennial/Gen Z, since 2010) and still thinking 'Yeah, I want more of this'. I find it hard to keep an open mind and convince myself that anybody voting Tory isn't a complete moron.
I mean, we (millennials) were lied too. And through almost our entire adult lives, we've had Tories in power. And all they've done is pander to the cotton tops. They've made university both more expensive and worth less, they've let housing prices run away, we get taxed more, inherit less and overseen a larger divide in wealth than ever before. They left the EU and then failed to deliver on any of the supposed benefits of not being in the EU, while hamstringing the economy and making it harder to travel. I've always been pretty centrist. However, right now, I'll always vote for whoever has the largest chance of not being a Tory locally, because they need to go.
In fairness to the Tories - not a sentence i expected to say today...New Labour were the ones that devalued university degrees by hiding unemployment figures via pushing tens of thousands more young people into university degrees, cheapening the value of degrees themselves AND lumbering those people with a lifetimes debt few of them will ever repay before they are 50 and it's forgiven(ensuring a stealth tax on all their earnings between 23-50). The Tories however have allowed this debt-money mill to continue to plague the UK young.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 Not regurgitate Murdoch based propaganda that is easily falsifiable by simply thinking for ten seconds? Basically, demonstrating significantly greater critical thinking skills than you.
Political parties and political systems in Europe have to reinvent themselves. Political parties have been weakened because of many reasons (which is a topic for another time) and also in UK in the last few years both Labour and Tories have been substantially weakened as political institutions (although, Conservatives' decline was mostly of their own making) Especially, in first-past-the-post system, which leads to two party politics like in UK, weak parties become extremely harmful for country, which is already evident
As a two-party system, have the Labour/Tory parties been weakened? I guess it depends what you mean. Of course, the Tories are currently weak (by their standards), but the Labour party is strong - very strong. That strength counterbalances any weaknesses of the Tories. Major's win in 1992 was the last time the two parties combined won more than 600 seats. In fact, since then, then has perhaps been a "notable" decline in the power of the Big 2, going from around 93% of seats won to around 87-88%. Perhaps more interesting is the popular vote. In 2010, the two parties picked up just 65.1% of votes overall - the lowest in the past 50 years. That election was sandwich between the 2005 and 2015, which accounted for the next two elections in which the big 2 picked up their lowest share of the popular vote in the past 50 years. But then in 2017, they picked up 82.3% of the vote - the highest of the twelve elections in the past fifty years. This was followed by 75.7% in 2019 - the third highest. I would agree that the political system in the UK needs an overhaul to make it fairer. But I'm not sure it will happen any time soon. As for individual parties, I think Labour's position has shifted around quite a bit. In recent times, it's gone from Blair's New Labour to Corbyn's more left-wing Labour, now veering back towards the centre ground. On the other hand, the Tories have been going further and further right wing. In some ways, their biggest threat potentially comes from the right. After years of driving the country into the ground, they're understandably getting trounced by Labour. With Labour occupying the centre ground, they are likely to win moderate voters. And even if they try and swing more to the centre, the far-right parties will be looking to hoover up many of the Tories' existing support. This is partly why, I'd say, they've veered more in that direction - to fend of the existing far-right. One thing I would say is you're right about the two-party system being harmful. Apart from anything else, there is no compromise, especially in the winner-take-all scenario that exists in UK politics. At least the rest of Europe doesn't seem to have that problem so much.
I really couldn't agree more* with you, Europe in general really needs proportional ranked-choice voting & corporatist class cooperation/Georgism duopolistic politics is a recipe for disaster as it is right now.
As a boomer it depresses me that my fellow boomers just because they have acquired houses and wealth have ditched all the attitudes of their younger years. Tories have never represented the average working person let alone those of limited means so how can anyone vote for these money grabbing vipers. They may have called themselves “one nation Tories” in the past but that never fooled anyone with a bit of conscience.
Brexit just looked like a thinly veiled, often not even veiled at all, attempt to be xenophobic and push migrants away. The constant talk of "controlling borders" being a major issue with brexiteers, and the right wing xenophobes only turned their back on brexit once they learned that immigration is important for their country, brexit doesn't let them refuse all immmigrants, and also that the economic consequences were severe.@@jnorth
@@tuna5618have you watched the recent EU press around this issue. Denmark and Sweden have policies on immigration and removing immigrants that would make conservatives blush. You might want to learn a bit about the world you live in. But your view is mired in hate, I love the way people like you talk about being enlightened but have the worst sort of fanciest views.
@@tuna5618 Germany is just about to pass legislation that would allow their own version of Homeland Security to swiftly remove and deport immigrants. In Austria, the upsurge of illegal immigrants and asylum applicants has made the 'far-right' party number 1 in pools and the ruling party having its worst electoral performance since 1945. Uncontrolled immigration and the promotion of forced multiculturalism is only gonna fuel right-wing and far-right political parties on the long run. Especially when the effects of immigration come to be felt on every-day life.
I live in the US, and I feel that trend describes my generation as well. We were told over and over we NEED to go to college to get a good job, we NEED to take on this massive debt for the rest of our lives, and afterwards the jobs all dried up. I was lucky I was in Stem and got a decently paying job. However, with college loans and other expenses, getting a home is a distant dream and my parents have to help me with very discounted rent.
Exactly.. previous generations screw over the next. (No offense, that’s just been a trend.) This isn’t anything new- but it is more noticeable now. Housing is through the roof, and in some states insurance is skyrocketing on housing aswell. The fact employers here look for people with college experience and pay little is insane and it’s what drives people to go elsewhere (leave the country) and/or vote and I feel that’s why there’s so much minimum wage pushes aswell, people can’t pay for things on what.. $7.25 an hour in some states? That was set in 2009, that would be $10.13 today.
I'm 51, and I've got more conservative as I have got ancient. But I'd never vote Tory. There's "a bit more conservative" and "turned into a racist, nationalistic, facist", which I'd have have become to vote Tory. Or alternatively have given up on competent government and democracy. Because and 4 or 5 years of Tory rule and competent government and democracy will be a thing of the past
@@danellis-jones1591 Braverman is not from India her ancestors are Indian. She comes from Kenya/Mauritius both countries in Africa. As a so called ''hwhite person'' you are not inherently racist, but because white people from the western world have a deep history of practising racism to a degree where people have died. The stigma of racist is attached to white people.
@sdrawkcabUK Because she is a coconut. She is utalizing racial doggwhistle talkingpoints in politics that is supported by a section of the English population who have anti-immigrant sentiments. These are same people that also look down on non-European people which includes ''Braverman'' herself. She is doing the bidding of others and act unaware that many hold the same vieuws against her and Sunak. She is married to Hwhite British man and thinks she is in a seperate class where people accept her. Same with these other coconut figures married to Hwhite men like Kemi Badenouch, Priti Patel and Candence Owens. Funny they all have the same ''talkingpoints'' in common.
@@onlineonlineaccount2368 my comment on india and Beaverton were not connected. She's the most vocally racist minister in government. I thought Patel was bad. White European history is definitely full of exceptionalism, arrogance, violence and racism, that is true. And white people can be very racist. But racism isn't an exclusively white thing. There is violent racism within Africa for instance.
The Tories have been targeting the selfish/ill informed/racist vote for years now. Labour have largely moved to the Rory Stewart ground or maybe even slightly to the right of Rory Stewart on economics so don’t think those without assets are going to be represented by either of the major parties.
Sadly true 🙁 This is why I am voting Green - I don't expect the Greens will win, but I am hoping the numbers will be high enough to send a clear signal to Starmer You don't need to win to have your vote make a difference 🙂
I'm soon to my 40 and the Tory flyers drop from the letter box into the shredder, it will remain that way for the rest of my life and I always vote. Good luck.
Because they read in the paper that the man with the red rosette will sell their babies, or some other piece of old tosh that they'll fall for. And if they didn't read it in the paper, they heard it from someone that read it in the paper. There's no getting away from Murdoch and his ilk.
People vote Tory because they like the idea of being 'better' than others (whether that's gender, class, ethnicity, sexuality etc) and believe that betterness should translate into inequality in law. Cut through the specifics, and it's always "I should be allowed to do what I like to you because you're less of a person than me".
I thought I’d throw out a few more reasons as none of the above are reasons that someone who is more well informed or intelligent would vote for them. 1) The belief that Labour policies would harm the UK economy on balance. Examples: a) Increased corporation tax encouraging more firms to relocate overseas, resulting in less UK jobs and tax revenues b) Increased employee protections making UK workers less competitive for firms 2) Pure self interest to protect wealth, including preservation of beneficial tax regimes. Examples: a) Lower taxes on capital gains b) Lower taxes on dividends c) Protections for pensions like triple lock 3) Stability. Home owners want economic stability and slight appreciation in the value of their wealth, the majority of which will be in the value of their house. A lot of Labour policies are more radical, which although might be needed to solve other big issues, would likely cause more volatility in areas like housing prices. These are only a few that my poor Llama brain could come up with. I think the problem with our political system is a lack of long term strategic planning on key areas by most politicians. Short term solutions that cause long term problems. We have good (ish) long term planning in defence, just wish we could have it in other areas like housing.
You missed the demographic of Millennials like me who went right past conservative and into nationalism. I despise both main parties as weak, wishy-washy and lacking in reliable delivery of promises.
I can only speak from my perspective and conversations when I was at that age group, but plenty of young adults in my area didn't dabble in politics much or flat out knew nothing, myself included, about the majority of the subject matters that the parties supposedly fought for. At that age, young people were concerned about their school qualifications, employment, having fun with mates etc without understanding how the current political landscape was affecting us and our futures. And as such, if you didn't know or understand anything regarding politics, you tend to vote for what your families and friends voted for, and/or you'd take one of those online questionnaires about your alignment.
I think the fact that the tories just casually added 10 more years of loan payments to incoming students makes you understand how young people see the tories
1:00 I've always found that people on the right have a very open heart and are willing to forgive their corrupt and traitorous political figures here. So I'm not sure it's that big of a long term issue to betray them.
"very open heart" does just sound like a feel-good euphamism for "easily persuaded into far right extremism". It's like one someone says "I'm just asking questions" when they are trying to deny climate change. The right wing creeps have tonnes of euphamisms because it makes it easier to spread hate, and it also makes them feel less guilty/shameful about being fascist morons.@@beepbopboop7727
I think Conservatives problem is that if you are a conservative person, you will likely choose to vote Reform now surely. The conservative party hasn't been very conservative lately. Whether Conservatives or Labour are in power the actual outcome for the average person will be very little. Their rhetoric may be different but they act the same. That's how I see it at least.
I'm an American conservative, and I begrudgingly give my vote to the republican party because they're the only ones with a chance to beat the democrat party. Both parties are fiscally irresponsible, and probably half of the politicians are getting paid off by some lobbyist, but the Democrats have taken positions that heavily conflict with my Christian faith.
For people without good thoughts-out ideological convictions, which are the majority, vote choice is a matter of perceived self-interest. If you feel you've got something worth conserving (a house, a car, a good job, a pension, enough disposable income to give your family a comfortable life), then you're likely to become conservative as you age since you feel the system has been fair to you. But if you don't, why would you become a conservative?
It's pretty self-explanatory. If you are broadly content with the way things are and you have a lot to lose, you vote conservative. By definition, they want to keep business as usual with a few corrections along the way. But if you're no content, you see a gloom future ahead... Well, you might as well choose the liberals/left whatever you wanna call it, you choose the people that want deeper structural change in the system. Sadly the same principle aplly to places where the far-right is the "transformation force".
@@mr.netflix9149 Populism thrives on fear (of immigrants, of losing wealth, of cultural change, etc.). Older people are probably even more susceptible to populism.
And then the left wing radicals and/or populists come to power, they implement not even 25% of their agenda and dissatisfaction takes over. Yes I am absolutely desperate over the state of politics. It's as if there is no getting out of this cycle: conservative parties cause a mess with their status quo policies, then the public vote them back in "by default" once they experience disappointment with the other side.
I was born in the early 1970’s. I’ve have moved more and more left as I get older because I feel I’m in a position to help others. In the long term big picture sense, the more people who are successful and contributing to society the better off everyone is
Gen Xer here... I guess I've taken the opposite approach to the trend... I started off conservative when I first voted (35 years ago), but I've become more and more liberal with time.
Well, I guess I am one of them. I will never ever vote Tory in my life, I know that. Even now, nearing 30, and living in a home I purchased, I've found more answers reading socialist literature. Our society needs radical change that liberals cannot provide because they only desire profit.
@@jakovvodanovic9165 Haha very funny. You've been taught socialists are against personal property. This is a lie, we are against private property, i.e the private appropriation of labour value in an enterprise. This is not the same thing as owning a home.
@@jakovvodanovic9165Here’s what you morons don’t understand: There’s two types of property. Personal property and REAL property. Interesting real property is called real property, because personal property is not actual property. Property in a historical definition meant buying land with the intent of to make money. That is a much better definition of property
I may live in one of the safest Tory constituencies (it was formed in 1918 and has only ever had a Tory MP) and I’ve never voted for them and never will. I have literally seen my MP around here once and that was when he was parachuted into the seat and came to the supermarket where I worked to encourage us to vote for him. Sadly for him, I would rather nail my hand to a tree and my supervisor didn’t even live in the area.
people switch to voting tories when they've built up wealth and become a part of the middle-upper class, because that's the party that now best represents their interests of maintaining their wealth. But young people now don't have any way to build up that wealth, and the tories following american republicans in leaning into culture war nonsense where they hate queer people because they find them gross, is enough to put most people off them. If they just stuck to economic conservatism, they would probably convert a larger portion, but it would still be less than previous generations because late stage capitalism is screwing over anyone who didn't already get lucky enough to be born into (relative) wealth
Perhaps young people in the cities are turning against conservative. But out where I live, labour straight up expects our votes despite calling every last one of us racist, sexist, xenophobic bigots, and also tries to monoplise unions by basically forcing you to be a member of their party. I dont support labour OR conservative, I support my local independent party. But god damn, Labour round here make it hard to vote for them. I only support conservatives because Id rather see another "rich for rich" government, than EVER put my faith in those red bastards who betrayed the REAL workers (factory workers, farmhands and other TRUE labourers) in favour of the middle class wokists. They stabbed my entire county in the back, so we will NEVER see them in power again as long as we all live. And if those class traitors do ever claim power again... well, lets just say the UK might not only have to worry about the scots, welsh or northern irish leaving.
Young people can see through the Tory party for what they truly are, it is in the hands of the young people of the U.K. to change this archaic system of government, so that more of the electorate have representation.
Even as someone who is a small c conservative (in case the profile pic didn’t give it away) in their early 30’s, I’m struggling to justify voting Tory. In my youth, I started out as more of a libertarian economically but have since shifted more to the left as I see many of my friends and peers struggle to prosper despite doing what they were supposed to do. That is get good grades, go to university and get a good job. These people have nothing to conserve and no capital. How can you expect them to want to conserve anything or believe in capitalism when they have actively been denied these opportunities?
throughout their 13 years in power I can only think of two policies by the Tories geared towards the young which is the right to buy and the national living wage
The national living wage was a halfway house between upgrading the NMW in line with inflation and the Labour opposition at the time's Real Living Wage.
Even those, the right to buy was to keep the housing market flowing, not because they care about us, and raising national living wage was barely in line with inflation, but they can say it as a snippet to gain brownie points and pat themselves on the back.
The tendency of older people who may be cash rich, but probably health poor is more stupid than selfish, already many are counting the cost of paying privately for healthcare because the NHS is in such a shocking mess
The sunk cost idea makes no sense. You have the most to gain by convincing those you are less popular with, while those you are already fairly popular with, won't have more votes because they really like you, rather than just like you more than the alternatives.
A while ago I had a discussion with family which can be boiled down to “conservatives don’t focus on young people because they won’t vote for them, and we won’t vote for them because they don’t have anything for young people”. I believe it’s the governements job be it Tory, Lib Dem, Labour and others to make the effort to appeal to different demographics, in this case, young people. You get your foot in the door with policies that they care and you may get a voter who will come back and vote again for that party. Especially when the older generations begin to die off. Instead though they’ve alienated young people. Short term gains instead of long term wins.
When the outcomes of your policies hurt people. You can’t hide that anymore. It’s not just the youth leaving them. It’s a information availability threshold that’s now reached and isn’t going to disappear
I’m 35 and it would take a LOT to make me vote Conservative again. I’m taxed to death, I’m told that if I want to maintain my living standards I have to work longer and harder. Pensioners on the other hand just get more and more money thrown at them and just have to decide if they can squeeze a few more holidays in.
@@tonyb9735 er according to the Daily Fail, and that rag of a newspaper they call the Express has reported that the triple lock will continue. Even though it’s going to cost another £2bn a year on top. That’s another £2bn on top that working people have to fork out for whilst our standards of living go down and down and down. My Tory MP told me that the Tories offer me the chance to work in the economy. In other words “shut up millennial and just work harder”.
@6:05, but on average a worker gets +8.50% growth in wages as will a pensioner, surely they are both squeezed by inflation ( although wage earners are just subject to more uncertainty) but when comparing both groups within this context are experiencing the negatives of inflation equally. Is this correct reasoning or am I missing something?
I think a lot of this has to do with the proliferation of the Internet. It's so easy for younger voters to just Google and fact-check politicians if they want to. With the Conservatives, it's hard to appeal to voters who can fact check considering that, as a political block, they're wrong about almost everything.
Is this also applicable to the EU? The way I see it, the events in the EU are delayed compared to the UK. The UK had it's far right wave resulting in Brexit, the EU is having it's far right wave now. I wonder how many of those far right voters are relatively young.
Brexit didn't come from a right-wing ideology. It came from nationalism which is a completely different thing. There are plenty of examples of both left and right wing nationalist parties.
Also, the right wing movements in europe are being created from predominantly by young supporters in Europe. While brexit was overwhelmingly voted for by old people. So literally nothing in your statement is true
@@loowyatt6463 Still, nationalism is highly linked to right-wing politics, even if there are a few examples of left-wing nationalism. Same with fiscal and social conservatism, patriotism, racism, and fascism, they are much more common ideologies or beliefs held by right-wingers than the left-wingers.
I have a degree in Biomedical Science, I'm 23 and I have no desire to work. I do not see anything for paying my share of taxes except for going abroad and spending too much on immigrants, illegal ones at that. I can't get a home so where is the incentive.
Im turning 18 next year and I have to say the Tories have messed up on alot of things like Brexit and the handling of the cost of living crisis. Seeing my parents struggle with that has probably been the thing that tipped me over into not voting for them. I know generally young people don't vote which is insane to think about so I hope enough of us can take them out of power and hope another party actually has a brain.
In the old days, I'd have said (I'm 65) that's ageist (and you probably are). But, actually, there's a lot of sense in that: we should be voting for governments who are working for our communal future, employment, education, infrastructure etc (I'll leave health and pensions out the equation for now). And, really, should we be giving old people (ie me) votes to determine what happens to young people? Look how old people f*cked us on Brexit! My girlfriend's mother - aged 90 - told her daughter she'd voted leave. Incandescent daughter said: why on earth would you do that? Mum says: to stop them coming over and taking our jobs. Girlfriend: mum *_you don't have a job and haven't since your mid-20s!!!_*
The problem is young people want things that totally contradict each other. You can't have open borders & mass migration along with cheap affordable housing and protect the environment. The UK is already short 4 million homes just to catch up with the current shortages. (Shelter chairty's figures) Building on all the brownfields would cover 1.2 million homes and seizing every empty home in the UK would cover another 700k. That still leaves us 2.1 million short that will need to be built on the greenbelt. Just for perspective net migration last year was 600 000 people all needing homes, Peterborough city in the UK has a population of 210 000 (census data) living in 90 000 homes. We need to be building three Peterbvorough cities every year just to stop the housing crisis from getting worse, and not just the houses we must also build the power plants, roads, hospitals & schools to cater for the needs of those extra people.
You are british, please pronounce your zed correctly! It isn’t gen zee because that’s the name. It is a letter and the British way of saying it is zed.
I will always remember Ming Campbell and his speech on becoming"Father of the House" when he said that now he was the oldest MP he was eligible to join the Young Conservatives
I actually have no problem with pension tripple lock. I dont think the uk economic woes come from pensioners who worked all their lives. They are still very vulnerable.we need to look at taxation more generally including capital gains and wealth taxes
This doesn’t account for incumbency bias amongst younger voters. If you are now 25 you probably don’t remember anything other than conservative government, giving a ‘change’ bump to Labour/lib-dem.
When it comes to social issues, it is a fallacy that people become more conservative as they age. People don't become more conservative as they age; the world progresses and some people fail to progress. The Overton window of society moves more progressive over time, and it makes people who were relatively progressive 40years ago seem relatively conservative on social issues. As for fiscal issues, yes people get more fiscally conservative with age as they gather more wealth. But ironically as the wealth concentrates more in the hands of fewer and fewer, the middle class things out, it becomes harder for the newer generation to accumulate wealth, and grows the number of fiscally progressive people.
It's hard to be Conservative when the young have nothing to conserve
I think it was an academic at UCL that said that, but it is absolutely true.
Except the environment... which the Tories have no interest in conserving 😅
The current batch of torykippers are not interested in "conserving" much. They openly admit to being bomb-throwers. Brex$hit was the most profound manifestation of this, but not the only one. The only explanation I can find for the electoral success they've had is Jezz Steptoe. The "conservative with a small c" voter that we're told pervades the UK electorate must surely see "they ain't us".
the young have lots to conserve, they're just too stupid to notice.
Sadly they are at the tail of an economic transition that has marked the West. Slow economic decline, since 1874, industries have become rust belt as globalisation and the global South, the Brics and Emerging Nations are calling more of the shots. It's the decline of the West. The World Economic Forum are in the driving-seat, a race to the bottom and across the West the diminution of high paying industrial jobs.
Attack an entire generation (millenials) for their entire adult life and they don't like you (shock)
This.
I know right, I'm American and the gop is constantly rubbing their head wondering why people my age group like Obama and Bernie sanders not realizing that things like the crash of 08 left us high and dry for several years.
@@wakaisgood "Taught the correct ideology to vote for."
And who exactly decides what that ideology is? Sounds like something you would find in an authoritarian state rather than a healthy functioning democracy, although calling what we have at the moment a 'healthy democracy' is generous.
@@wakaisgood You are insane!
@@wakaisgoodAnybody over 65 should only have a vote that counts for 0.25 of a vote since they'll have less lifetime to enjoy their influence.
Brexit, prime example... Favoured by older people for whom plenty will have died before any impact on their lives, leaving no future for the young.
At our recent Australian election, a right wing pollster said “you can’t create conservatives if they’ve got nothing to conserve”.
His point was that the drop in home ownership and the collapse of economic security is stopping people from people drifting rightwards in middle age. No family, no house, no car, no secure job = angry at the world.
I think Mr Albanese is on a sticky wicket, like the German Coalition.
The Post War Liberal Bretton Woods era is over. The West set the agenda, the dollar was the world reserve currency and Washington and it's allies called the shots - the decline of the West is visible. Security is going out of the window, even for the Chevron LNG workers. The World is a-changing.
Brics countries are a force to be reckoned with, particularly for you. Australia is going to need some powerful friends.
Sad about Ukraine but The hawks in Washington are probably going to lose. They backed the wrong horse in a 2 horse race.
The global South have not jumped behind the West.
Hawks in Washington, are losing interest in Ukraine and now it's China instead of Russia, that is the bad guy in the Western main stream media, that Taiwan is becoming the new Ukraine.
@@wakaisgoodhahahahahaha anyone over 65 is just mentally drained and waiting to die, they shouldn't be allowed to vote because they very rarely know what's going on and are easier to manipulate, the government should have an hourly mandatory daily update program instead of stupid antique programmes for antique people.
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@@wakaisgood Thats called brainwashing their bud.
@@wakaisgoodright wing tried to get younger people on their side and now that it doesn't work the solution is to try to remove their voting rights. If the younger were raging right wing supporters the voting age wouldn't have mattered
@@wakaisgood I am in full agreement. We wouldn't want them to have too many good ideas, would we?
Maybe the whole "becoming conservative" isn't necessarily linked to age but linked to how secure people are in terms of owning a home, having disposable income and financial security. If you have that, you can be in favour of tax cuts and smaller government programmes. If not, you benefit from these programmes.
True, but for the majority of people financial security itself is tied to age (granted some younger people are lucky to be financially secure at a younger age or have financial support from older relatives).
Same thing happening in US. Millennials and Women saved the Democrats in November Midterms.
@@FightTheByte_suit yourself. My only complaint is how taxes get spent - I want them invested in the country, not spaffed on corrupt crony contracts with Tory chums
Fix that, and I am happy to see my taxes put to good use 🙂
The funny thing is that the older and wealthier I got, the more I drifted to the left. My motivation is that I realise that most policies promoted by the right wing parties are not conservative any more to begin with, and they are not sustainable in the long term. It is not possible to perpetuate an economic system that leaves so many on the side. This is not good for the system itself, and I am invested in that system. I do not want a revolution. Besides, I am totally disgusted by the naked populism and often corruption by many of the right wing leaders.
@@arpandas2243 And Gen Z is voting at higher rates than any generation before.
I'm fifty-five, I voted conservative once in my life, in my very first election. I was in the military, and they made promises (which they didn't keep). I've moved further left ever since, and now, I'm about ready to take a can of fuel and a torch to the existing system...
Which election did you vote conservative in?
@@Splooshua.They turned 18 in 1985, so the election after that, probably.
Agree, there is definitely a spirit of '68 in the air and the feeling that the establishment are not listening to us.
@@wakaisgoodgo away trollbot, if your old enough to fight for your country then you have right to vote for who leads.
ALL politicians ly to get votes.
I you ask an average person on the street what politics did to improve their lives they often can't say anything.
And that is even worse in a 2 party democracy like in the UK and (former) /empire commenwealth countries.
Giving one the mushroom treatment (keep them in the dark and feed them shit) is one of the political governing rules that was defined by Canadian politics.
Or one remark on a hot mike from one of our politicians here in the Netherlands who stated that people are way to stupid to vote!
The least worst political system we have the democracy system is under threath.
the French philosofer Montesquieu who gave us the Trias Politca in the west said.
To become really great you have to stand with the people not above them.
Even after 350+ years after his passing his logic holds on goverment and politics
Can we stop using "Millennials" to illustrate "young people", please? I'm nearly 40 (but still never voting Tory) 😂
We're glad to have you aboard, then 😁
Climate Change is a scam
40 is young
@@grigandyNot really
@@grigandy No, 40 is middle-aged, particularly when talking about political voting brackets.
"Young people" is generally considered to be the 18-25 or 18-30 bracket, in this context.
They're not only ditching young people they're actively RUINING us
Indeed, they prefer to pocket the money that would otherwise be spent on your education and healthcare. Then they'll import Labour from India to do the jobs you're not qualified to do. It's happening now.
Young people don't vote, and most pensioners vote for things that are particularly destructive for the younger generation
Uk needs to vote a far right leader asap or ur country will be done in 20 years
It's equal opportunity ruination, many of us are feeling it.
Jablička, London, 55, female.
@theteamxxx3142 "the right wing party has been doing a shit job for years so let's go further right"
Yeah flawless logic. Why don't you screw off to North Korea if you like fascists so much?
People tend to vote conservative when they have a lot to lose. It's taking longer to reach that point of having a lot to lose.
Also, the torys have been in power for a long time, and I think everyone can agree recently they have been terrible.
I completely agree however I think that people vote conservative when they don’t want things to change aka they don’t want to lose things like you said.
It's also that the Conservatives don't do what it says on the tin - they do a lot of really radical, fringe ideas, especially economically
If you want caution and continuity, the Tories don't offer that any more. That's why people like Rory Stewart are ex-Tories now
I totally agree. Also, Millennials have have had the Tories as their main government in power during most of their adult life. For Gen-Z, they've had Tories their entire adult life. During that time, things haven't been exactly wonderful for us! Life is more expensive, Brexit was super unpopular with younger generations, add in the environmental policies, housing problems, LGBT values, and everything else which are important topics to younger voters, and It's no wonder the Tories struggle with younger generations. If they keep targeting older voters, at the detriment of younger voters, then younger voters are going to want change, just for any hope in positive change
The Tories generally screw things up. The economy for starters. Labour are better economic managers, yet they allow this false narrative that the Tories are. The Tories waste billions and funnel billions to their mates' companies. That's what privatisation is all about. Not better services.
Totally agree. The Tories have had almost many PMs in 13 years as Labour have in the last century. They’ve gone from increasing tuition fees to Brexit, both of why have p*ssed off young people something chronic and they wonder why younger voters won’t give them the time of day. All just to appease age demographic that have never had it better. The Tories have dug their own grave and when they’ve buried themselves, it’ll be millennials and Gen Z dancing on it
The same thing is happening in Australia. My generation (millennials) have been ignored by the right completely. Short term it may benefit them but once boomers start to die out their party will waste away to nothing.
Over the ditch here in NZ things are a bit weird right now - the Right have more support than they should from millenials and gen Z.
I'm American, and I wish millennials were only ignored by conservatives, instead of actively robbed. We're stuck with the bill for boomers' decades of tax breaks, decades of poor infrastructure investment, the destruction of private sector pensions, pulling up the ladder on university funding, an unaffordable housing market that only makes sense if you already own investment properties, and the fact that we'll pay into social security our whole lives, and then get next to nothing when it's our turn to retire.
@@katzicaelWhat do you mean more than they should?
@@katzicaelthey don’t want to be replaced by immigrants
It doesn't work like that. What happens is as you grow older you realise that you know nothing about the world until your about 30. You then realise all the young people vote for the wrong party's as they are clueless on how the world works.
In otherworld, you will grow out of it.
What's the point of conservatives when they don't conserve anything?
They conserve the profits of the rich and their corporations.
They conserve their track record of scandals and shittiness
We need far right parties in europe again . They would actually conserve and fix problems . Every right party in eu works for the WEF so there’s no difference with voting left or right
they do conserve. they conserve the current status quo of low taxes for rich people, regressive social ideas and fossil fuels being the predominant source of energy. they conserve bad ideas.
They conserve the dignity of the upper echelons of society. So they do not have to associate with the masses, the common and rough rump of Britain.
as neoliberal economics took hold back in the 80s and resulted in wages no longer increasing in line with productivity, it got harder and harder over time for working people to accumulate wealth. Because instead of some of the extra money they were earning their employers going into their paycheck it was all going into the pockets of the rich business owner. This meant that over time working people's pay stopped increasing at the rate it had over the live times of past generations, and assets like homes got more expensive as the rich invested their ever increasing wealth in them pushing up the average prices. So instead of constantly creating new generations of moderately well off tory voting homeowners every year, those who already had money and property got richer faster and became ever happier with the torys, while those without assets were left behind and had no reason to vote for them. This means that in order for the torys to truly regain new generations as they age they have to abandon neoliberal Thatcherite economics. But at the moment that would be like the pope deciding the bible probably isn't worth carrying on with. So they are stuck
Council house sales kept working class Tory voters with “too much to lose” onside. But there are no more desirable council houses to buy and that demographic is ageing.
Having sold off the family silver the Tories have shafted themselves. Older Tory supporters are more likely to vote but that’s also running out of road. So they’re stuffed.
Expect the next few elections to be fought in the gutter as that’s all that’s all they have left …
Hence they’ll probably resort to culture war shit, which I’m SURE will increase their appeal to the youth who as we know are so very socially conservative!!1!
"This means that in order for the torys to truly regain new generations as they age they have to abandon neoliberal Thatcherite economics."
Thatcherism is idolised both by Labour and the Conservative Party. Indeed as you concluded, pigs will fly before these ideologies are ditched by the parties capable of governing.
100% agree. I personally believe that the rise in right wing populism around the world is a direct consequence of the failure of the neoliberal economic 'system'. For the last 3-4 decades politicians of both parties have effectively bribed voters using the proceeds of asset stripping and leverage to fund spending, tax cuts and pensions. Now there is no wealth left in the system to extract, this illusory growth is broken. Similar things have happened in the corporate word with ever increasing levels of leverage and profit extraction by the financial markets. Consequentially the Right now has nothing left to offer politically apart from culture wars hence the rise all over the western world in right wing populism.
The reality is Sunak has no alternative to pursue because the only likely route to growth AND wealth distribution now requires a fundamental shift to interventionist economic policies that will be antithetical to most conservatives. Even the financial markets confirmed this in their reaction to the Truss budget (i.e. the gilts crisis). The last fundamental economic policy shift (the end of the post war consensus and shift to neoliberal monetarism under Thatcher) put the Tories in power for nearly two decades. It's therefore entirely possible that a similar fundamental economic policy shift (as is already happening in the USA under Biden's stimulus policies) could result in a similar enduring political shift to the Left.
Good analysis. It's why they still support the tripple lock on pensions. Retired people are the richest demographic in the country and get pay increases in line with inflation. Meanwhile, nurses havent had a payrise that's matched inflation since 2008. We get poorer every year yet the elderly are never worse off. One day, the elderly will die and then there will be nobody left to vote Conservative. The sad thing is that by the time most millenials will be financially secure enough (once major reforms take place), they will be far too old to have children. We are unable to start families in our 60s. We are a forgotten generation
Multiple decades of the younger generation being neglected and the older being appeased.
Yeah, but why are they changing their voting behaviour?
@mr.netflix9149 we can see Thatcher's claim that "there is no such thing as society" is nonsense. We know we are part of society, and want leaders who strengthen it rather than dismantle it
@@mr.netflix9149Because it was never about age. It was about wealth and home ownership. The housing crisis has stopped people supporting the Tories and they can't fix it while keeping to their Tory values. They can only make things worse.
@@markwelch3564 To thatcher everyone up north eventually said: "No such thing as you!"
If there are multiple generations of young people, then those young people are now old people aren't they?
Young people are turning their back on the right-wing Republican party in the US too. They offer them nothing. I am 67, by the way, and have become more and more left-leaning as I get older.
Federal surveying of high school age boys in the US over the last three years seems to show that they are rapidly trending conservative. Not to say that this couldn't change by the time they are of voting age but it's an interesting observation!
when ya look at republicans right now, they are basically devolving into a terrorist organisation.
@@slog656I'd wager that's because of people like Andrew Tate and anti-feminist and anti-women discourse online.
The GOP consistently talks down to the younger generation, attempts to take their voting rights away, and doesn’t listen to what they want. That’s why they will struggle to get those votes.
Not to say there isn’t right wing young people, there certainly is, but there is a reasonable chunk that won’t vote for the GOP because of the stuff they’ve done.
@@undead_corsair no one cares about andrew tate lol. younger kids are realizing that the Democrat party inherently despises them for their immutable identity.
Short term policy thinking for maintaining older voters, and not enough thinking for younger voters.
Past generations had more opportunities, which is why they become right wing. The millennial generations aren’t seeing that and only criticisms, ridicule and unpopular policies.
Very true, though politicians generally are short termists and only care about your vote.
Considering that Australia's birth rate currently sits at a meager 1.5, the focus on older voters is if anything a long term play. in the coming decades, younger people will have less and less of a say in politics.
@@greyghost2492 Guess we should start a new covid huh?
‘The death of the young Tory’ is such a delicious sentence. And a great name for an emo band.
I'm a boomer (not proud of it) and I've been left-leaning all my life. My point being that not all older people are hopeless conservatives.
Same over here in Europe old folk might be more likely to be religious but that doesnt mean they are all conservative especially in Netherlands with most people being atheist or not practicing religion
Conservatism doesn't equal hopeless. But I would doubt people's sanity, if the current Conservative government(and the few previous) actually attracts them, or they believe what is happening is right.
yep me too but thank god for the young.
Neither are my parents though not all boomers are rich and more wealthy. I wished you were the majority (left leaning not poor). Though I also wished that voting was more about votes for a particular party rather than first past the post.
@@GwainSagaFanChannelthe UK is also Europe
Why fewer and fewer young people are voting tory? Because fewer and fewer young people are See You Next Tuesdays
I THINK YOU PROVE THE EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE.
Your village is missing you, I don’t know why as your not very bright.
Sorry - non-Brit here. Can't say that I recognise that reference?
@@draco84oz See You Next Tuesday. It’s another way of saying the C word 😛
Being screwed over constantly for over a decade will do that, especially considering that is a generations whole adult life
Yea I remember the tories getting in after my 1st election with the Lib Dems and a lot of us were tamping then, plus every year since has gotten worse and our generation getting blamed for everything 😅
I hope you live a lot longer than a decade.
As an American, i envy a British electorate that actually votes on issues.
at least thats the image portrayed and sold to its plebs
There's not a lot of truth in this anymore
Chin up - we're rooting for you. Your culture is at an inflection point - hopefully you'll all bounce back stronger and be setting us a good example.
Thank you!@@nathanaelsmith3553
You're in this metapolitics culture war over there. Shit is spreading everywhere like a disease with social media. Pathetic and desparate German conservatives like Markus Söder are trying to copy that demonizing "wokeness" and no one even knows what he is talking about lmao
I'm pretty non-partisan and usually vote Lib Dem, but the Tories rolling back on climate commitments has motivated me to vote Labour in 2024. Honestly, I do fear a Tory resurrgence. In particular I'll think they'll use the unpopularity of things like ULEZ to win back support again. After these last 7-8 years I've just come to expect the worse from this country. Has the electorate really switched to Labour and now rejecting the Brexit vision?
These badly thought out green policies are stupid. You cant decarbonise if you are broke.
They'll leave the UK in such a shape that Labour will have an impossible job to complete. High hopes will be followed by similar levels of dissatisfaction and the Tories will have a good shot again in 2029, sadly.
@@oldskoolmusicnostalgia I'm not so sure. The conservative economic 'system' is thoroughly broken (as proven by Truss) so they have nowhere left to go politically, apart from increasing levels of right wing populism, infighting and political obscurity. The political trap that Sunak is caught in won't go away in opposition - look at the complete mess that the GOP is in across the pond. IMO it will take at least a decade, maybe more, for the Conservative Party to throw off the shackles of their entrenched ideology in order to be able to adopt an electable position in the current economic context. It's essentially the same political problem that Labour had in the 1980s
I mean honestly the entire west is coming off a near 40 year experiment with conservative politics. A common complaint is that even our left leaning parties are constantly shifting rightward for the last 40 years, and I think more people are wising up to the lies that conservative politics tell us.
@@mattyward1979”radical” left wing policies like a wealth tax and nationalisation are often polled as popular with all voters including conservative ones. People want radical change, it’s just no one is offering it
The 2017 election saw a massive swing to Labour because of these policies and looking at the reasons people didn’t vote Labour in 2019 was mainly because of Brexit or corbyn, very few said because of labours actual policies. Parties need to offer some sort of fundamental change or people will start loosing faith in democracy (look at starmers approval ratings)
Reaganomics don't work, it's a sudden sugar rush at best followed by a long and grinding crash.
The West is declining. The post war Liberal consensus after Bretton Woods is effectively over. Left wing policies went out of the window when the industries that supported them disappeared.
Labour had to become New Labour to survive.
It's the unelected Deep State that call the shots, people in suits behind the scenes have the power and pull the strings. Sunak/Starmer are the Deep State's men, their puppets. If they stray from tge agenda they won't last long - q. v. Boris, Liz Truss. The markets won't like someone who is a threat.
Both the left and the right in europe works for the same boss being the eu and WEF . We need an anti system anti wef and far right party THAT IS ACTUALLY CONSERVATIVE
It must be so hard to stay neutral when talking about these muppets
If we didn't have a two party system, this wouldn't be an issue.
Beau of the Fifth Column said something on one of his recent videos that stuck with me (I'm paraphrasing here), "People generally don't become more conservative as they get older, society as a whole progresses but they don't change with the times"
To put it simply, Sunak being more popular than his party is just a repeat of the 90s when Major was popular, yet his party was not. They were worn down and too divided, being in power for so long didn't help either. History has a way of repeating itself, after all.
The demographics getting older won't help the Tories in the long run, because the only ways to rectify that are to either welcome more immigrants into the country, a non-starter for them 😅 or to radically change the economy in such a way that raising a family actually becomes affordable... and Tories don't like helping people 😅
Well, more migration and related ethnic tensions and drainage of budget due to social spending, may help some conservatives... just not Tories.
The immigrants often lean conservative on a number of issues, it's an absolute fallacy to imagine they'd massively support the other side.
More immigrants will come. For all their talk they don't have the will to stop them. Don't confuse their words with their actions.
Or they can keep the over 65,# happy and bring a tax hammer down on the young even harder…
Can thank laissez-faire economics from Reagan/Thatcher for stagnant wages and inequality.
Not from the UK but I’m ready for baby boomers to get out of the way, no offense. I’ve got my pitchfork ready for a few CEOs. 🤣
I’m left wing but I disagree with the reasons for stagnant wage growth. If we actually had a laissez-faire economy yes there would be problems but people would at least actually be paid a decent salary.
Instead we have free markets whenever it benefits corporations and the wealthy, while we get corporate welfare and arbitrary government controls whenever the free market would benefit your average person.
@@Dylan-hy2zj wages have been stagnating in the US since 1983, can’t speak to the UK but suspect it’s similar iirc the chart in video. I agree with everything else you said of course.
Your "instead" sentence is literally describing the direct results of laissez-faire capitalism. It's easy to say "well actually our system is different because corporations and the wealthy own everything so it's not REALLY free", but that's literally what capitalism is. Corporations and the mega rich control everything because the fundamental FOUNDATIONS of a profit incentive directly lead to that exact outcome.@@Dylan-hy2zj
Imagine seeing such a huge decline during, what should be, the best years of your life (as a millennial/Gen Z, since 2010) and still thinking 'Yeah, I want more of this'. I find it hard to keep an open mind and convince myself that anybody voting Tory isn't a complete moron.
Because they aren't suffering from cranial trauma
I mean, we (millennials) were lied too. And through almost our entire adult lives, we've had Tories in power. And all they've done is pander to the cotton tops.
They've made university both more expensive and worth less, they've let housing prices run away, we get taxed more, inherit less and overseen a larger divide in wealth than ever before.
They left the EU and then failed to deliver on any of the supposed benefits of not being in the EU, while hamstringing the economy and making it harder to travel.
I've always been pretty centrist. However, right now, I'll always vote for whoever has the largest chance of not being a Tory locally, because they need to go.
In fairness to the Tories - not a sentence i expected to say today...New Labour were the ones that devalued university degrees by hiding unemployment figures via pushing tens of thousands more young people into university degrees, cheapening the value of degrees themselves AND lumbering those people with a lifetimes debt few of them will ever repay before they are 50 and it's forgiven(ensuring a stealth tax on all their earnings between 23-50). The Tories however have allowed this debt-money mill to continue to plague the UK young.
Seamus put the daily mail down.
Labour were the ones that made university useless and increased fees.
@@marshgate24 Top comment. I find it fascinating how the print of a newspaper has an echo.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 Not regurgitate Murdoch based propaganda that is easily falsifiable by simply thinking for ten seconds?
Basically, demonstrating significantly greater critical thinking skills than you.
Political parties and political systems in Europe have to reinvent themselves. Political parties have been weakened because of many reasons (which is a topic for another time) and also in UK in the last few years both Labour and Tories have been substantially weakened as political institutions (although, Conservatives' decline was mostly of their own making)
Especially, in first-past-the-post system, which leads to two party politics like in UK, weak parties become extremely harmful for country, which is already evident
As a two-party system, have the Labour/Tory parties been weakened? I guess it depends what you mean. Of course, the Tories are currently weak (by their standards), but the Labour party is strong - very strong. That strength counterbalances any weaknesses of the Tories.
Major's win in 1992 was the last time the two parties combined won more than 600 seats. In fact, since then, then has perhaps been a "notable" decline in the power of the Big 2, going from around 93% of seats won to around 87-88%. Perhaps more interesting is the popular vote. In 2010, the two parties picked up just 65.1% of votes overall - the lowest in the past 50 years. That election was sandwich between the 2005 and 2015, which accounted for the next two elections in which the big 2 picked up their lowest share of the popular vote in the past 50 years. But then in 2017, they picked up 82.3% of the vote - the highest of the twelve elections in the past fifty years. This was followed by 75.7% in 2019 - the third highest.
I would agree that the political system in the UK needs an overhaul to make it fairer. But I'm not sure it will happen any time soon.
As for individual parties, I think Labour's position has shifted around quite a bit. In recent times, it's gone from Blair's New Labour to Corbyn's more left-wing Labour, now veering back towards the centre ground. On the other hand, the Tories have been going further and further right wing.
In some ways, their biggest threat potentially comes from the right. After years of driving the country into the ground, they're understandably getting trounced by Labour. With Labour occupying the centre ground, they are likely to win moderate voters. And even if they try and swing more to the centre, the far-right parties will be looking to hoover up many of the Tories' existing support. This is partly why, I'd say, they've veered more in that direction - to fend of the existing far-right.
One thing I would say is you're right about the two-party system being harmful. Apart from anything else, there is no compromise, especially in the winner-take-all scenario that exists in UK politics. At least the rest of Europe doesn't seem to have that problem so much.
I really couldn't agree more* with you, Europe in general really needs proportional ranked-choice voting & corporatist class cooperation/Georgism duopolistic politics is a recipe for disaster as it is right now.
As a boomer it depresses me that my fellow boomers just because they have acquired houses and wealth have ditched all the attitudes of their younger years. Tories have never represented the average working person let alone those of limited means so how can anyone vote for these money grabbing vipers. They may have called themselves “one nation Tories” in the past but that never fooled anyone with a bit of conscience.
Really this just a prime example of how right wing economic policies bring about their own downfall.
Something something, the snake eats its own tail
Brexit just looked like a thinly veiled, often not even veiled at all, attempt to be xenophobic and push migrants away. The constant talk of "controlling borders" being a major issue with brexiteers, and the right wing xenophobes only turned their back on brexit once they learned that immigration is important for their country, brexit doesn't let them refuse all immmigrants, and also that the economic consequences were severe.@@jnorth
@@tuna5618have you watched the recent EU press around this issue.
Denmark and Sweden have policies on immigration and removing immigrants that would make conservatives blush.
You might want to learn a bit about the world you live in.
But your view is mired in hate, I love the way people like you talk about being enlightened but have the worst sort of fanciest views.
Yeah because left wing ones do so well…. Lol
@@tuna5618 Germany is just about to pass legislation that would allow their own version of Homeland Security to swiftly remove and deport immigrants. In Austria, the upsurge of illegal immigrants and asylum applicants has made the 'far-right' party number 1 in pools and the ruling party having its worst electoral performance since 1945. Uncontrolled immigration and the promotion of forced multiculturalism is only gonna fuel right-wing and far-right political parties on the long run. Especially when the effects of immigration come to be felt on every-day life.
I live in the US, and I feel that trend describes my generation as well. We were told over and over we NEED to go to college to get a good job, we NEED to take on this massive debt for the rest of our lives, and afterwards the jobs all dried up. I was lucky I was in Stem and got a decently paying job. However, with college loans and other expenses, getting a home is a distant dream and my parents have to help me with very discounted rent.
Exactly.. previous generations screw over the next. (No offense, that’s just been a trend.) This isn’t anything new- but it is more noticeable now. Housing is through the roof, and in some states insurance is skyrocketing on housing aswell.
The fact employers here look for people with college experience and pay little is insane and it’s what drives people to go elsewhere (leave the country) and/or vote and I feel that’s why there’s so much minimum wage pushes aswell, people can’t pay for things on what.. $7.25 an hour in some states? That was set in 2009, that would be $10.13 today.
I think the Tories new policy touted towards the young of a reimagined national service will go down like a lead balloon.
I'm 51, and I've got more conservative as I have got ancient. But I'd never vote Tory. There's "a bit more conservative" and "turned into a racist, nationalistic, facist", which I'd have have become to vote Tory. Or alternatively have given up on competent government and democracy. Because and 4 or 5 years of Tory rule and competent government and democracy will be a thing of the past
@sdrawkcabUK You don't have to be white to be racist. There's significant racism within India. Have you seen Braverman?
@@danellis-jones1591 Braverman is not from India her ancestors are Indian. She comes from Kenya/Mauritius both countries in Africa. As a so called ''hwhite person'' you are not inherently racist, but because white people from the western world have a deep history of practising racism to a degree where people have died. The stigma of racist is attached to white people.
@sdrawkcabUK Because she is a coconut. She is utalizing racial doggwhistle talkingpoints in politics that is supported by a section of the English population who have anti-immigrant sentiments. These are same people that also look down on non-European people which includes ''Braverman'' herself. She is doing the bidding of others and act unaware that many hold the same vieuws against her and Sunak. She is married to Hwhite British man and thinks she is in a seperate class where people accept her. Same with these other coconut figures married to Hwhite men like Kemi Badenouch, Priti Patel and Candence Owens. Funny they all have the same ''talkingpoints'' in common.
@@onlineonlineaccount2368 my comment on india and Beaverton were not connected. She's the most vocally racist minister in government. I thought Patel was bad.
White European history is definitely full of exceptionalism, arrogance, violence and racism, that is true. And white people can be very racist. But racism isn't an exclusively white thing. There is violent racism within Africa for instance.
The Tories have been targeting the selfish/ill informed/racist vote for years now. Labour have largely moved to the Rory Stewart ground or maybe even slightly to the right of Rory Stewart on economics so don’t think those without assets are going to be represented by either of the major parties.
Sadly true 🙁 This is why I am voting Green - I don't expect the Greens will win, but I am hoping the numbers will be high enough to send a clear signal to Starmer
You don't need to win to have your vote make a difference 🙂
Funny as an ethnic minority I'm well aware they are much less raciat than Labour.
@@markwelch3564Absolutely
@@sashasscribbles there isn't an established Labour candidate, so it's very likely to be a parachutee. Looks like it will be Green for me then!
"I'll informed racist vote" meaning people who don't want their country flooded with foreigners. Which the tories have actively done.
I'm soon to my 40 and the Tory flyers drop from the letter box into the shredder, it will remain that way for the rest of my life and I always vote. Good luck.
But this begs the question... Why does anyone vote Tory!?
Lots of reasons. Some valid some less so. Also main vote for them simply cause of the electoral system and dont like any other party
Because they read in the paper that the man with the red rosette will sell their babies, or some other piece of old tosh that they'll fall for. And if they didn't read it in the paper, they heard it from someone that read it in the paper. There's no getting away from Murdoch and his ilk.
People vote Tory because they like the idea of being 'better' than others (whether that's gender, class, ethnicity, sexuality etc) and believe that betterness should translate into inequality in law.
Cut through the specifics, and it's always "I should be allowed to do what I like to you because you're less of a person than me".
@Silent002 what a stupidly dumb assessment.
I thought I’d throw out a few more reasons as none of the above are reasons that someone who is more well informed or intelligent would vote for them.
1) The belief that Labour policies would harm the UK economy on balance. Examples:
a) Increased corporation tax encouraging more firms to relocate overseas, resulting in less UK jobs and tax revenues
b) Increased employee protections making UK workers less competitive for firms
2) Pure self interest to protect wealth, including preservation of beneficial tax regimes. Examples:
a) Lower taxes on capital gains
b) Lower taxes on dividends
c) Protections for pensions like triple lock
3) Stability. Home owners want economic stability and slight appreciation in the value of their wealth, the majority of which will be in the value of their house. A lot of Labour policies are more radical, which although might be needed to solve other big issues, would likely cause more volatility in areas like housing prices.
These are only a few that my poor Llama brain could come up with.
I think the problem with our political system is a lack of long term strategic planning on key areas by most politicians. Short term solutions that cause long term problems. We have good (ish) long term planning in defence, just wish we could have it in other areas like housing.
I didn't think this really needed explaining, but this was an insightful video.
just a reminder that Millenial is no longer young and Gen Z are old enough to vote :)) - im 21
They’ve done about as much for young people as Jimmy Savile or prince Andrew, that’s why.
You missed the demographic of Millennials like me who went right past conservative and into nationalism. I despise both main parties as weak, wishy-washy and lacking in reliable delivery of promises.
I can only speak from my perspective and conversations when I was at that age group, but plenty of young adults in my area didn't dabble in politics much or flat out knew nothing, myself included, about the majority of the subject matters that the parties supposedly fought for. At that age, young people were concerned about their school qualifications, employment, having fun with mates etc without understanding how the current political landscape was affecting us and our futures.
And as such, if you didn't know or understand anything regarding politics, you tend to vote for what your families and friends voted for, and/or you'd take one of those online questionnaires about your alignment.
Brexit made a lot of people start paying attention to politics and things are changing. Sounds about right to me.
Yet here I am, a young man who disliked Sunak when he rose to power, but nowadays would vote for him.
So you basically admitted your cognitive ability is deteriorating
I think the fact that the tories just casually added 10 more years of loan payments to incoming students makes you understand how young people see the tories
TAKES A LONG TIME WORKING AT MCDONALDS TO PAY BACK THAT USELSS DEGREE IN MEDIA.
6:25 what are the obvious reasons? They're not obvious to me...
Before watching this video, I can already say:
The Tories can't ditch what they never really had. It was always the old money guard they looked after.
BREXIT !!! Young people want their European citizenship back. That's the reason.
1:00
I've always found that people on the right have a very open heart and are willing to forgive their corrupt and traitorous political figures here.
So I'm not sure it's that big of a long term issue to betray them.
“A very open heart”? lmao. To bigotry do you mean?
"very open heart" does just sound like a feel-good euphamism for "easily persuaded into far right extremism". It's like one someone says "I'm just asking questions" when they are trying to deny climate change.
The right wing creeps have tonnes of euphamisms because it makes it easier to spread hate, and it also makes them feel less guilty/shameful about being fascist morons.@@beepbopboop7727
@@beepbopboop7727bro all you needed was an attention span of 20 words to get the joke, but you stopped at 19. try reading comprehension.
I think Conservatives problem is that if you are a conservative person, you will likely choose to vote Reform now surely. The conservative party hasn't been very conservative lately. Whether Conservatives or Labour are in power the actual outcome for the average person will be very little. Their rhetoric may be different but they act the same. That's how I see it at least.
I'm an American conservative, and I begrudgingly give my vote to the republican party because they're the only ones with a chance to beat the democrat party. Both parties are fiscally irresponsible, and probably half of the politicians are getting paid off by some lobbyist, but the Democrats have taken positions that heavily conflict with my Christian faith.
Given that most will still be paying rent at 55 I think the desire to "preserve wealth" is diminished.
The people can’t conquer if you keep them divided
For people without good thoughts-out ideological convictions, which are the majority, vote choice is a matter of perceived self-interest. If you feel you've got something worth conserving (a house, a car, a good job, a pension, enough disposable income to give your family a comfortable life), then you're likely to become conservative as you age since you feel the system has been fair to you. But if you don't, why would you become a conservative?
You're too focused on the words conservative and conserve. They really have nothing to do with the Conservative Party.
It's pretty self-explanatory. If you are broadly content with the way things are and you have a lot to lose, you vote conservative. By definition, they want to keep business as usual with a few corrections along the way. But if you're no content, you see a gloom future ahead... Well, you might as well choose the liberals/left whatever you wanna call it, you choose the people that want deeper structural change in the system. Sadly the same principle aplly to places where the far-right is the "transformation force".
Absolutely! Because of that young people are also far easier swayed by populism.
@@mr.netflix9149 Populism thrives on fear (of immigrants, of losing wealth, of cultural change, etc.). Older people are probably even more susceptible to populism.
And then the left wing radicals and/or populists come to power, they implement not even 25% of their agenda and dissatisfaction takes over. Yes I am absolutely desperate over the state of politics. It's as if there is no getting out of this cycle: conservative parties cause a mess with their status quo policies, then the public vote them back in "by default" once they experience disappointment with the other side.
I was born in the early 1970’s. I’ve have moved more and more left as I get older because I feel I’m in a position to help others. In the long term big picture sense, the more people who are successful and contributing to society the better off everyone is
Thank you for categorizing us millennials as "young". 😅 I don't feel like it, but I'm grateful when someone thinks so.
I'm still hip and with it!
Gen Xer here... I guess I've taken the opposite approach to the trend... I started off conservative when I first voted (35 years ago), but I've become more and more liberal with time.
Well, I guess I am one of them. I will never ever vote Tory in my life, I know that. Even now, nearing 30, and living in a home I purchased, I've found more answers reading socialist literature. Our society needs radical change that liberals cannot provide because they only desire profit.
Yes, how about you share that house with me, after all it's unfair that you can have a home and some people cannot
@@jakovvodanovic9165 Haha very funny. You've been taught socialists are against personal property. This is a lie, we are against private property, i.e the private appropriation of labour value in an enterprise. This is not the same thing as owning a home.
@@jakovvodanovic9165Here’s what you morons don’t understand: There’s two types of property. Personal property and REAL property. Interesting real property is called real property, because personal property is not actual property. Property in a historical definition meant buying land with the intent of to make money. That is a much better definition of property
I’m 52 and will never vote Conservative.
Same here in Australia.
I may live in one of the safest Tory constituencies (it was formed in 1918 and has only ever had a Tory MP) and I’ve never voted for them and never will. I have literally seen my MP around here once and that was when he was parachuted into the seat and came to the supermarket where I worked to encourage us to vote for him. Sadly for him, I would rather nail my hand to a tree and my supervisor didn’t even live in the area.
Even if im older and it makes sense for my personal finances to vote tory I'll never do it after the sh*t they've pulled over the last decade
For young people like me, we use 'Tory' as an insult. Great way to offend someone
Tories hoping for Sunak to reverse the trend without themselves reversing course on their own policies and views is quite the ask.
Wake up young people, Sunak ditched you long ago,, HELLO 👋
The betrayed generation.
Victim much.
Man up take responsibility and get on with your life.
Jeez
people switch to voting tories when they've built up wealth and become a part of the middle-upper class, because that's the party that now best represents their interests of maintaining their wealth. But young people now don't have any way to build up that wealth, and the tories following american republicans in leaning into culture war nonsense where they hate queer people because they find them gross, is enough to put most people off them. If they just stuck to economic conservatism, they would probably convert a larger portion, but it would still be less than previous generations because late stage capitalism is screwing over anyone who didn't already get lucky enough to be born into (relative) wealth
So they voted him leader not because he was the best but appealed to young people? Jesus no wonder our political system is fcked
He wasn't even voted leader. Liz Truss won the actual leadership election because tory party members are mental
Technically they didn't vote him in
@@embalancer6146 actually the Conservatives did vote him as there new leader
Perhaps young people in the cities are turning against conservative. But out where I live, labour straight up expects our votes despite calling every last one of us racist, sexist, xenophobic bigots, and also tries to monoplise unions by basically forcing you to be a member of their party. I dont support labour OR conservative, I support my local independent party. But god damn, Labour round here make it hard to vote for them. I only support conservatives because Id rather see another "rich for rich" government, than EVER put my faith in those red bastards who betrayed the REAL workers (factory workers, farmhands and other TRUE labourers) in favour of the middle class wokists. They stabbed my entire county in the back, so we will NEVER see them in power again as long as we all live. And if those class traitors do ever claim power again... well, lets just say the UK might not only have to worry about the scots, welsh or northern irish leaving.
Young people can see through the Tory party for what they truly are, it is in the hands of the young people of the U.K. to change this archaic system of government, so that more of the electorate have representation.
Even as someone who is a small c conservative (in case the profile pic didn’t give it away) in their early 30’s, I’m struggling to justify voting Tory. In my youth, I started out as more of a libertarian economically but have since shifted more to the left as I see many of my friends and peers struggle to prosper despite doing what they were supposed to do. That is get good grades, go to university and get a good job. These people have nothing to conserve and no capital. How can you expect them to want to conserve anything or believe in capitalism when they have actively been denied these opportunities?
throughout their 13 years in power I can only think of two policies by the Tories geared towards the young which is the right to buy and the national living wage
The national living wage was a halfway house between upgrading the NMW in line with inflation and the Labour opposition at the time's Real Living Wage.
Even those, the right to buy was to keep the housing market flowing, not because they care about us, and raising national living wage was barely in line with inflation, but they can say it as a snippet to gain brownie points and pat themselves on the back.
The tendency of older people who may be cash rich, but probably health poor is more stupid than selfish, already many are counting the cost of paying privately for healthcare because the NHS is in such a shocking mess
The sunk cost idea makes no sense. You have the most to gain by convincing those you are less popular with, while those you are already fairly popular with, won't have more votes because they really like you, rather than just like you more than the alternatives.
I misread that as Sunak cost. Still applicable though 😅
A while ago I had a discussion with family which can be boiled down to “conservatives don’t focus on young people because they won’t vote for them, and we won’t vote for them because they don’t have anything for young people”.
I believe it’s the governements job be it Tory, Lib Dem, Labour and others to make the effort to appeal to different demographics, in this case, young people. You get your foot in the door with policies that they care and you may get a voter who will come back and vote again for that party. Especially when the older generations begin to die off.
Instead though they’ve alienated young people. Short term gains instead of long term wins.
I am a Boomer and would NEVER vote for the facist Tories.
The Tories are far left
based as fuck (based means your opinions are correct)
@@damienheads7151 overton window moment
Likewise
@@damienheads7151You’re about as smart as a dead tory
When the outcomes of your policies hurt people. You can’t hide that anymore. It’s not just the youth leaving them. It’s a information availability threshold that’s now reached and isn’t going to disappear
TLDL: Millenials are getting more left wing.
Me at 25: Somewhere on the "right" of the labour party
Me at 31: Somewhere between Labour and the Greens
farmyard duck: quack
"The Death of the Young Tory" sounds like a dope title for a novel
I’m 35 and it would take a LOT to make me vote Conservative again. I’m taxed to death, I’m told that if I want to maintain my living standards I have to work longer and harder. Pensioners on the other hand just get more and more money thrown at them and just have to decide if they can squeeze a few more holidays in.
"Pensioners on the other hand...."
Have just been told that the promises of triple lock protection on their pensions won't be kept after all.
@@tonyb9735 er according to the Daily Fail, and that rag of a newspaper they call the Express has reported that the triple lock will continue. Even though it’s going to cost another £2bn a year on top. That’s another £2bn on top that working people have to fork out for whilst our standards of living go down and down and down. My Tory MP told me that the Tories offer me the chance to work in the economy. In other words “shut up millennial and just work harder”.
@6:05, but on average a worker gets +8.50% growth in wages as will a pensioner, surely they are both squeezed by inflation ( although wage earners are just subject to more uncertainty) but when comparing both groups within this context are experiencing the negatives of inflation equally. Is this correct reasoning or am I missing something?
It generally seems like a very rough time for incumbent governments in the West lately
I hope they get kicked out big time and never get back in again, vile cruel party 😡.
I think a lot of this has to do with the proliferation of the Internet. It's so easy for younger voters to just Google and fact-check politicians if they want to.
With the Conservatives, it's hard to appeal to voters who can fact check considering that, as a political block, they're wrong about almost everything.
So I guess you know the policies of the parties.
I can guess NOT.
Is this also applicable to the EU?
The way I see it, the events in the EU are delayed compared to the UK. The UK had it's far right wave resulting in Brexit, the EU is having it's far right wave now. I wonder how many of those far right voters are relatively young.
Brexit didn't come from a right-wing ideology. It came from nationalism which is a completely different thing. There are plenty of examples of both left and right wing nationalist parties.
Also, the right wing movements in europe are being created from predominantly by young supporters in Europe. While brexit was overwhelmingly voted for by old people.
So literally nothing in your statement is true
@@loowyatt6463 Still, nationalism is highly linked to right-wing politics, even if there are a few examples of left-wing nationalism. Same with fiscal and social conservatism, patriotism, racism, and fascism, they are much more common ideologies or beliefs held by right-wingers than the left-wingers.
The far right got most of that demographic's votes in Eastern Europe and Italy at least
Lots up north. We voted leave essentially because the torys told us to vote remain.
I have a degree in Biomedical Science, I'm 23 and I have no desire to work. I do not see anything for paying my share of taxes except for going abroad and spending too much on immigrants, illegal ones at that. I can't get a home so where is the incentive.
Im turning 18 next year and I have to say the Tories have messed up on alot of things like Brexit and the handling of the cost of living crisis. Seeing my parents struggle with that has probably been the thing that tipped me over into not voting for them. I know generally young people don't vote which is insane to think about so I hope enough of us can take them out of power and hope another party actually has a brain.
Four percent is still four percent too many.
There should be a maximum voting age.
In the old days, I'd have said (I'm 65) that's ageist (and you probably are). But, actually, there's a lot of sense in that: we should be voting for governments who are working for our communal future, employment, education, infrastructure etc (I'll leave health and pensions out the equation for now). And, really, should we be giving old people (ie me) votes to determine what happens to young people? Look how old people f*cked us on Brexit! My girlfriend's mother - aged 90 - told her daughter she'd voted leave. Incandescent daughter said: why on earth would you do that? Mum says: to stop them coming over and taking our jobs. Girlfriend: mum *_you don't have a job and haven't since your mid-20s!!!_*
The problem is young people want things that totally contradict each other. You can't have open borders & mass migration along with cheap affordable housing and protect the environment. The UK is already short 4 million homes just to catch up with the current shortages. (Shelter chairty's figures) Building on all the brownfields would cover 1.2 million homes and seizing every empty home in the UK would cover another 700k. That still leaves us 2.1 million short that will need to be built on the greenbelt. Just for perspective net migration last year was 600 000 people all needing homes, Peterborough city in the UK has a population of 210 000 (census data) living in 90 000 homes. We need to be building three Peterbvorough cities every year just to stop the housing crisis from getting worse, and not just the houses we must also build the power plants, roads, hospitals & schools to cater for the needs of those extra people.
You are british, please pronounce your zed correctly! It isn’t gen zee because that’s the name. It is a letter and the British way of saying it is zed.
What have we to conserve?
I will always remember Ming Campbell and his speech on becoming"Father of the House" when he said that now he was the oldest MP he was eligible to join the Young Conservatives
Zee? When did I miss the memo that it's not Zed anymore?
I actually have no problem with pension tripple lock. I dont think the uk economic woes come from pensioners who worked all their lives. They are still very vulnerable.we need to look at taxation more generally including capital gains and wealth taxes
The issue is that the government have been doing it at the expense of young people the last 13 years
You literally just had to make housing affordable and give us good pay
Nice dream, but your parents would be very unhappy.
So stop dreaming.
This doesn’t account for incumbency bias amongst younger voters. If you are now 25 you probably don’t remember anything other than conservative government, giving a ‘change’ bump to Labour/lib-dem.
When it comes to social issues, it is a fallacy that people become more conservative as they age.
People don't become more conservative as they age; the world progresses and some people fail to progress.
The Overton window of society moves more progressive over time, and it makes people who were relatively progressive 40years ago seem relatively conservative on social issues.
As for fiscal issues, yes people get more fiscally conservative with age as they gather more wealth. But ironically as the wealth concentrates more in the hands of fewer and fewer, the middle class things out, it becomes harder for the newer generation to accumulate wealth, and grows the number of fiscally progressive people.
Ditching? When have they cared about anyone but themselves?