This scene just stabbed me in the heart. Not-Thing Donna pushed his buttons and made him vulnerable and then just ripped the rug out from under him. It felt terribly cruel. Also, does anyone else think David Tennant has just grown exponentially as an actor with age? I mean, he was always amazing, but his performance in these specials so far has just been next-level imo.
I do appreciate that Davies isnt sweeping the last run under the rug and is actually building upon it and showing more of the Doctor's trauma from the Flux event. Half of the universe was wiped out because of elements from their past and now they feel like they have to keep running to avoid burning up in the immense guilt.
@@dylerturden8018 Well, RtD did also write the line "I made a jigsaw out of your history" to implay that anything could be canon now. (I feel he wrote this to calm down those who really hated the Chibnall era thought😅) But AGREE! So glad that he decide to continue the plot Chibnall has gave us. Regardless if it's good or not, it shouldn't be ignore (And has full of potentiel).
@@thedoconscratchthat depends on whether one counts the full cumulative time in Heaven Sent as lived experience rather than just the final loop -- a line from that episode suggests that the Doctor may more or less possess the memory of every loop, but I think it is a legitimate point of interpretation that will likely never get a solid answer
@mackenziejohnson5200 I mean he did seem to remember at the end of each loop when The Veil killed him so I'd say that yes he does remember and the only reason why doing that for 4 and half billon years didn't drive him insane is because The Doctor is already a bit insane. Just a bit.
"You're saying this to break me down." he says as he takes a step back, because its working. God, what a heartbreaking scene on all accounts. You feel it later back in the tardis when the real donna asks if he's alright, but he clams up. he couldnt risk anyone getting that close again.
I wish the Doctor had actually seen the real effects of the Flux and not been wrapped up in the Division story the whole time. They never got to see a world devastated, people lost, people displaced, if they’d had the Doctor on one of those doomed worlds and trying to save as many people as possible but failing it would’ve been devastating and added so much more to this moment.
RTD's return has been very rocky so far but at least he's added that emotional depth back into the show. It shouldn't have taken this long for us (as an audience) to connect with the doctor's pain over the flux and the timeless child
@@claireaquos6532you have to remember that for all intensive purposes, he basically did do it until the very end of number 11 because of the time stream sync.
I love the fact that my doctor didnt get swept under the rug and forgotten. The lingering trauma of the Flux would be horrifying and this was a great way to bring it up.
Can't see the other reply, so figure it was a mean one. Adding this so you get a NOT mean one, I'm really glad you enjoyed Whittaker's run. Honestly, even though I don't love the ideas of the Flux or Timeless Child or Fugitive Doctor (more like I don't like the presentation/execution while liking the concepts), I still agree the solution isn't to IGNORE them but to actually EXPAND on them. My problem with them was mostly that they were such massive concepts introduced then... never addressed again. So I love that this implies RTD is actually going to expand on them in richer ways, because I think they were mostly untapped in Chibnall's run and exploring them in more detail is how to make them better realized concepts. So basically I agree, the show shouldn't ignore ANY part of the Doctor's history. Heck, even "The Sensorites" gets mentioned in "Planet of the Ood." All of it is part of how the Doctor became who he is now, and all of it has been part of his journey since 1963. To ignore or skip any part of that journey is like losing part of the character.
Gotta love everyone fighting about if Flux was good or not. 😅 Let people enjoy what they want to enjoy, don't shit on someone because they enjoy something you don't. I have no opinion on Flux yet because I've been catching up, we all love Doctor Who so let's just enjoy the ride.
Sound is desynched. I am glad to see the Timeless Child and Flux being continued though. So have we still not had the universe repaired from the Flux? Cause damn. Fifteenth has his work cut out for him I guess.
watching this scene just makes it more unbelievable for me that how could they write 13th Doctor watch such a huge destruction personally and yet show no reaction about it, as if she doesn't care at all!
I'm glad they're giving it a bit more gravity. Much like the Star Wars prequels (which like the Chibnail era I don't hate) were improved exponentially by the Clone Wars, I think the Flux will be improved by further developments of that plot line rather than just ignoring it
Its funny how he got more from Flux in one scene than Chibby in the entire series. Should have ignored the cursed child thing, but sure, no ones perfect
The cursed child thing 😂😂 think you got your franchises mixed up here buddy. But yeah, Potterheads would like to forget the cursed child as much as Whovians wanna forget the timeless child.
I think the flux will add many layers of guilt for the doctor now, just remember the flux didn’t happened too long before these events so in his mind it’s all fresh
@@BaronMartinI like how these two commenters above you express how they are bad writers. Good writers don't ignore what came after them, terrible writing (And bot was it some terrible writing) or good. They acknowledge what came before, directly or indirectly, and incorporate it into their narrative. Some of my favorite stories are direct responses and/or refutations of bad plot points in the past. As another commeter said, this sequence talking about the Flux is better than the entire Flux atoryline. RTD actually acknowledging the fallout of Flux, rather than just ignoring it like Chibnall, is good writing. It actually gives that series some narrative weight because now it actually means something.
>Calls Jodie's tenure as woke >Chibnall's writing is unironically the least woke Doctor Who has ever been, with such takes as "Amazon good" >Is currently watching something written by RTD, perhaps the most woke Doctor Who writer ever, only rivalled by the literal communist from the Classic Era. I can't tell if you just never watched the show, are just sexist, or you just completely missed many of the the points of Doctor Who
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This scene just stabbed me in the heart. Not-Thing Donna pushed his buttons and made him vulnerable and then just ripped the rug out from under him. It felt terribly cruel.
Also, does anyone else think David Tennant has just grown exponentially as an actor with age? I mean, he was always amazing, but his performance in these specials so far has just been next-level imo.
Oh absolutely I agree
Which is why I wish they made more adventures with him before the toymaker.
I do appreciate that Davies isnt sweeping the last run under the rug and is actually building upon it and showing more of the Doctor's trauma from the Flux event. Half of the universe was wiped out because of elements from their past and now they feel like they have to keep running to avoid burning up in the immense guilt.
You mean Russell?
@@Kamenriderdecade105 Thank you for the correction :)
Exactly, good or bad, we've come too far to bury things
@@dylerturden8018 Well, RtD did also write the line "I made a jigsaw out of your history" to implay that anything could be canon now. (I feel he wrote this to calm down those who really hated the Chibnall era thought😅)
But AGREE! So glad that he decide to continue the plot Chibnall has gave us. Regardless if it's good or not, it shouldn't be ignore (And has full of potentiel).
If they undid some of the Time War stuff (I haven’t really figured out the lore there), this is a good substitute for that trauma and guilt
For Donna it’s been 15 years for the doctor, It’s been billions.
...hasn't it been more than just a thousand for the doctor?
@@thedoconscratchthat depends on whether one counts the full cumulative time in Heaven Sent as lived experience rather than just the final loop -- a line from that episode suggests that the Doctor may more or less possess the memory of every loop, but I think it is a legitimate point of interpretation that will likely never get a solid answer
@mackenziejohnson5200 I mean he did seem to remember at the end of each loop when The Veil killed him so I'd say that yes he does remember and the only reason why doing that for 4 and half billon years didn't drive him insane is because The Doctor is already a bit insane. Just a bit.
@@HarleyQuinn-vb5dmthat's true, they don't call him a mad man in his box
"You're saying this to break me down." he says as he takes a step back, because its working. God, what a heartbreaking scene on all accounts. You feel it later back in the tardis when the real donna asks if he's alright, but he clams up. he couldnt risk anyone getting that close again.
The look of disgust on the doctor’s face when he realizes he just poured his heart out to a creature
They both acted so well in this scene. It was gripping, and also completely devastating. You really see Tennant's pain on his face.
I love seeing the Doctor talk about events from his/her previous face
I wish the Doctor had actually seen the real effects of the Flux and not been wrapped up in the Division story the whole time. They never got to see a world devastated, people lost, people displaced, if they’d had the Doctor on one of those doomed worlds and trying to save as many people as possible but failing it would’ve been devastating and added so much more to this moment.
Most we had in terms of a solo trauma narrative was Vinder. (Who I still stand by should have been the second companion instead of Dan)
RTD's return has been very rocky so far but at least he's added that emotional depth back into the show. It shouldn't have taken this long for us (as an audience) to connect with the doctor's pain over the flux and the timeless child
Once again, he became the man who regret
But unlike the timelords "genocide", the flux wasn't the doctor's fault. 🤔
@@claireaquos6532you have to remember that for all intensive purposes, he basically did do it until the very end of number 11 because of the time stream sync.
I love the fact that my doctor didnt get swept under the rug and forgotten. The lingering trauma of the Flux would be horrifying and this was a great way to bring it up.
Can't see the other reply, so figure it was a mean one. Adding this so you get a NOT mean one, I'm really glad you enjoyed Whittaker's run. Honestly, even though I don't love the ideas of the Flux or Timeless Child or Fugitive Doctor (more like I don't like the presentation/execution while liking the concepts), I still agree the solution isn't to IGNORE them but to actually EXPAND on them. My problem with them was mostly that they were such massive concepts introduced then... never addressed again. So I love that this implies RTD is actually going to expand on them in richer ways, because I think they were mostly untapped in Chibnall's run and exploring them in more detail is how to make them better realized concepts.
So basically I agree, the show shouldn't ignore ANY part of the Doctor's history. Heck, even "The Sensorites" gets mentioned in "Planet of the Ood." All of it is part of how the Doctor became who he is now, and all of it has been part of his journey since 1963. To ignore or skip any part of that journey is like losing part of the character.
@@MrMarsFargocan we get more Who fans like you pretty please??
This scene devastated me
Gotta love everyone fighting about if Flux was good or not. 😅
Let people enjoy what they want to enjoy, don't shit on someone because they enjoy something you don't. I have no opinion on Flux yet because I've been catching up, we all love Doctor Who so let's just enjoy the ride.
Also don't have a opinion on Timeless Child though it sounds like a interesting idea.
Sound is desynched. I am glad to see the Timeless Child and Flux being continued though. So have we still not had the universe repaired from the Flux? Cause damn. Fifteenth has his work cut out for him I guess.
Well doctors 14 and 15 are post flux doctors
Probably so copyright wouldn’t nuke
watching this scene just makes it more unbelievable for me that how could they write 13th Doctor watch such a huge destruction personally and yet show no reaction about it, as if she doesn't care at all!
Honestly, I thought, Chibnail era will be retconed, but we got this, nice!
Sad I can't even remember anything about flux because of bad writing...
I thought it would be ignored and forgotten. But if Russell can make some sort of sense of it, so much the better.
I'm glad they're giving it a bit more gravity. Much like the Star Wars prequels (which like the Chibnail era I don't hate) were improved exponentially by the Clone Wars, I think the Flux will be improved by further developments of that plot line rather than just ignoring it
@@cameronpearce5943Gravity?
@@ryanhasproblemsthey might mean mavity
@@cameronpearce5943 It's called mavity, haven't you been to school?
Odd, it seems like the tracking and the sound are a bit off from my end. Anyone else having this experience?
Yea same here
The visual is lagging behind the audio, yea
Yup, the video is behind its audio. Poor quality upload.
Its funny how he got more from Flux in one scene than Chibby in the entire series. Should have ignored the cursed child thing, but sure, no ones perfect
The cursed child thing 😂😂 think you got your franchises mixed up here buddy. But yeah, Potterheads would like to forget the cursed child as much as Whovians wanna forget the timeless child.
@@rockysandman5489we gotta get rid of the word whovian i can’t go around calling myself that. dr suess ass name.
I agree the timeless child storyline is as cursed as the cursed child story lol
In my defense, I was only half awake. Ah well, everyone knew what I meant 😂
I hadn't watched since... the beginning of Capaldi? Rejoined to see Donna... Even her Not-Thing 'It wasn't your fault!" .... Chills!
You should watch capaldi some of his episodes are amazinf
I think the flux will add many layers of guilt for the doctor now, just remember the flux didn’t happened too long before these events so in his mind it’s all fresh
I hated the Not-thing Donna in this scene.
We could’ve just ignored the worst era of dw 😭 I really didn’t need a reminder..
Agreed they should just cancel this show again like they did in 1989
@@Mytesmyth Oh, you're full of great ideas, aren't you...
@@BaronMartinI like how these two commenters above you express how they are bad writers.
Good writers don't ignore what came after them, terrible writing (And bot was it some terrible writing) or good. They acknowledge what came before, directly or indirectly, and incorporate it into their narrative. Some of my favorite stories are direct responses and/or refutations of bad plot points in the past. As another commeter said, this sequence talking about the Flux is better than the entire Flux atoryline.
RTD actually acknowledging the fallout of Flux, rather than just ignoring it like Chibnall, is good writing. It actually gives that series some narrative weight because now it actually means something.
What’s this flux that they speak of? Is this from the five year Jodie woke empire that I decided to skip and not considered canon?
Yes. It's the last Jodie season.
Maybe if you wouldn't be dumb and actually ask normally, someone would give you a decent answer...
>Calls Jodie's tenure as woke
>Chibnall's writing is unironically the least woke Doctor Who has ever been, with such takes as "Amazon good"
>Is currently watching something written by RTD, perhaps the most woke Doctor Who writer ever, only rivalled by the literal communist from the Classic Era.
I can't tell if you just never watched the show, are just sexist, or you just completely missed many of the the points of Doctor Who
The second someone uses the word "woke" in unironic manner, then I know that person is a grade A idiot
If you have not watched it, how can you tell if its woke. Maybe watch it next time and then tell me if its "woke"