A Study Level Jet for $35! | The best value addon for MSFS? | PMDG 737-600 | Full Flight Review
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In this video we carry out a full flight, in the newly released PMDG Boeing 737-600, within Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
We will be taking the aircraft on a morning shuttle, from Glasgow Airport (EGPF), down to London Stansted (EGSS).
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
MSI B550M
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x 4.7GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
32GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight!
The amount of depth and care PMDG place on everything from avionics to flight dynamics and modeling is astounding. I think, as a third party flight sim developer, they deserve the most praise and support for consistently high quality work. They also fill an extremely important blank in MSFS with respect to realism as, generally speaking, the base aircraft are not as detailed as they could be.
Hi 2Bach (haha),
Yes, PMDG do a very nice job with their output and have done pretty consistently for many years now. It's brilliant as well to see their pricing coming down a little (or a lot) in MSFS, since I think their products were previously somewhat inaccessible to many. The 600 is a really nice offering in the sim and should mean that almost everyone can now afford a "study level" jet - something which I think will be great news for the hobby!
Cheers and all the best : )
Apart from icing simulation
Hi, just a mention about bypassing speed and altitude restrictions. The 737 has a way to do that without leaving LNAV/VNAV. On the autopilot there’s buttons labels “spd intv” and “alt intv” which will bypass the next speed or altitude restriction listed on the FMS. If you use alt intv you may have to press it several times to bypass several altitude restrictions i.e. most British departures with their 4000-6000 altitude restrictions.
Not all Classics have that feature
@@TomcatAL200 Correct but this is a NG.
@@edwardsp1916 your right, I've only flown the -800 so I guess I haven't noticed if the other NGs have it or not. I wish more of the classics Ive flown have.
Thank you very much for the pointer David. I was actually annoyed at myself watching that part of the video back haha, as I was aware of the “spd intv” and “alt intv” buttons / modes, but my brain didn’t quite catch up with the aircraft their ha (the perils of not being all that familiar with the type I suppose). I definitely could have flown that last segment of the arrival a little bit better / more efficiently, but I guess it’s all part of the learning process ; )
Thanks again, much appreciated! All the best : )
The 600 is perfect for someone like me that’s just getting into operations of advanced aircraft that’s not too difficult but one that you will definitely learn quickly, and the sounds just spot on. Everything about this aircraft is perfect in a way to where you feel like your on the actual plane itself. It’s a great plane for starters
I’m really glad you’re enjoying the 600, Maroon! The aircraft is indeed an excellent starting point for those looking to move into the world of “study level” jets, all the more so given the price.
Happy flying and all the best! : )
I really like the nostalgic look of the non-winglets. Wish this would be an option for every add on. Great video!
Me too Sunny, the absence of winglets is one of the reasons I wanted to get the 600. I think it would be nice if the rest of the NG range had the option; it may not be realistic perhaps, but at least then people can choose for themselves and the aircraft will look more fitting with retro liveries etc.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks very much and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations It‘s PMDG. And PMDG‘s only motivation to do something is: _ _ _ _ _ They won‘t do it, and if they do, it‘ll be an upgrade package. Welcome to scam sim 2020!
me to I wanted to have at least one commercial jet without winglets.
Plus the smaller airframe physics work better in MSFS
Plus it was only $35 🙂
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Sun Country N813SY is still in use today and is a 738 and does not have winglets. Really wish that was an option
Ah ok, thanks for the info Justin! Well certainly, much like yourself, I wish no winglets was an option. I like to use the NG with retro liveries and the winglets kind of give the game away haha.
Cheers, all the best! : )
Your use of eye-tracking is just great. It takes the immersion to new heights. My impression is that other creators have not managed to acheive this yet.
Thanks very much CoD! It’s certainly one of the tools I use to try and increase immersion; I’m really glad you think it works well for the most part.
TrackIR can be pretty tricky to get setup smoothly, but after many years of tweaking and practice using it, I think I have things dialled in pretty well haha.
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I've got into TIR, but have nowhere near the smoothness that you do. Every move of the head is excaerbated in the cockpit, and one of the worst issues is that cockpit movement keeps going slightly after head movement stops. Can you share any speed/smoothness settings and particularly yaw/pitch settings. I have tried smooth and dead-zone templates, but when I set pitch e.g., I can't look down to console or up too far to O/H panel.....fairly annoying.....so end up shifting the curve up which increases speed or instability. Would greatly apprec anything you can share.
Hi Transair,
I actually have my TrackIR profile posted over on Flightsim.to. If you head over there and search for “Into the Blue TrackIR profile” etc, you should be able to find it no problem. I think I’ve managed to tweak things to a point that create a happy balance with TrackIR : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I swear I thought you were using vr
I wasn't going to get this. But PMDG have played a blinder here with the price. £28 is a steal, and of course I picked it up. I think it's different enough in performance to warrant a place in the hangar alongside the -7.
Hope all is well mate. Very nice video as always.
Did you have to pay vat?
PMDG worked out not many people would buy it and altered the price to maybe increase sales and maximise their profits on it. The 800 will be a different matter.
Haha, indeed Michael - I’m sure PMDG have tempted many people who wouldn’t have picked up the 600 otherwise. I think best of all, now there is a very accessible “study level” option in the sim, which pretty much everyone should be able to enjoy (and that can’t be a bad thing for the hobby). Hopefully the move pays off for PMDG and then maybe we’ll see cheaper offerings in the future.
All good on my end thanks! Hope you’re doing well : )
I suspect so J McC, but I think the end result is still a win-win. The 600 offers up a “study level” experience to those who perhaps couldn’t afford it otherwise; 1) that has to be a good thing for the hobby and 2) if the move works beyond expectations for PMDG, perhaps it will have a knock-on effect to their pricing in the future.
That’s just my “two pennies worth” though haha. All the best : )
Makes those of us who got the -700 feel like Schmucks for paying what we did when it released…
I get that for sure Stephmic. I felt the same with the SSW F-104, when that came out at considerably less cost than the TF-104.
There’s no doubt that PMDG’s new pricing structure suits some and not others. Looking at the 600 in isolation, it’s an excellent deal. Had people known what the price was going to be ahead of time though, I’m sure many would have held fire on the 700.
All the best!
At least you get to use it, we xbox players are still waiting an eternity for this to release
@@KC-up1nr what makes you think that it can't?
@@KC-up1nr Like many, many third party aircraft, it is extremely unlikely to get ported to the Xbox.
At $35 the 737-600 breaks the whole PMDG line-up. Why pay $59 for the DC-6 then ? Just sell me the DC-6A for $35 then 🤣
Fantastic review as always! I am glad PMDG have come to their senses and realised that MSFS's market requires a different pricing model to more niche simulators, and that tip about the spoilers' click spot is ever so helpful. Thanks once again.
PMDG is right about MFS not being realistic, actually is PMGD doing MFS more realistic with their aircraft's physics and internal systems. Also the sounds, damn i always loved PMDG sounds, i use P3D V5 because that's what i prefer but i have no clues that PMDG will upgrade the MFS behiavor by just creating aircraft (with better physics than MFS default aircraft) for it.
@@mileshenessey I'm still running FSX / Orbx and Active Sky 2016 / Active Sky Cloud Art and still prefer the old-school to MSFS2020.
@@stewiepid4385 I just prefer old sims because is a real thing that isn't necessary the maximum graphics in a flying game to enjoy flight simulation even if you're a professional simmer
Because of the fact that graphics are not the maximum in simulation, real dudes would know that the physics and an acceptable scenary behiavour is more than enough to enjoy flight simulation, anyways MFS will need more years to pair its physics with X-Plane ones, but is sad that nowadays community are just fanboying every game with high resolution textures and shadows, if 3D trees with excessive shadows weren't a reality on MFS2020 then people would hate it.
@@mileshenessey The problem is once you have turned the graphics up to the max on MSFS to see what that looks like ,resetting them to your normal settings makes you yearn for more. It’s a case of what you never have you never miss.
This 737-600 by PMDG in the Boeing Demonstrator Livery has become my favourite goto jet for MSFS. I love this variant as it also seems to have different MCP buttons to the other two -600s. A gorgeous small jet, thank you PMDG. (also own the -700 PMDG release but it now gets less use!)
Hi Keyz,
I think I might well have to agree with you; the 600 is cracking fun and probably my favourite of the bunch thus far (I really like the lack of winglets, makes the NG look more retro). The MCP can actually be swapped out via the options menu, so you can have either the Collins or the Honeywell unit, on any variant of the NG : )
Happy flying and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thank you for the panel options hint-am happy to hear that you tend to agree about the little -600-loads of respect for both your real world and sim skills!
You’re most welcome!
Thanks and much appreciated : )
I've flown several times in the real -600, so it's a no-brainer that I'm picking it over the -800.
Have you ever been in the cockpit before? Do you ever hang around the gymnasium? Have you ever been to a Turkish prison?
Ah well fair enough Kokoete, I do hope you enjoy it then!
Happy flying and all the best : )
As always Captain, a great toe dip. And just like the PMDG systems, your videos are also second to none.
There are still people out there complaining about the price for this. I encourage them to quit flight simulators all together 😁 They basically want all add-ons to be less than a tenner. At £28 there is literally no excuse for people not to have one in the hanger.
Thanks very much Chris, that’s quite the compliment! ; )
Haha, there’s always an excuse of course! : P It doesn’t matter the addon or the pricing, I can be sure I’ll always have a few comments telling me “it’s overpriced garbage” (I would genuinely love to know what constitutes “study level” to some people hehe).
It’s rare that I’ll pick on a product for its price, but I can understand on occasion when / why someone might think an addon is unreasonably expensive. Here though I can’t see any argument for that. Sure PMDG’s new pricing model may not represent the best value for everyone (namely those who want to buy the whole fleet), but conversely now just about everyone can afford to have a “study level” experience in the sim and that can only be a good thing for simmers and the hobby in general! As you say, if people can’t tolerate $35. I really wonder where the line ought to be drawn haha?!
Aaanyway, if people can’t get on with a quality addon for $35, that is of course their choice entirely (genuinely - to each their own!). I get the impression PMDG will be doing just fine after this round of sales either way haha.
Cheers mate : )
love the look of the 600, will be great for someone like me who wants to get into complex flight simming but not sacrifice their wallet. Hopefully it'll come to the in sim market place soon as I prefer to buy products from there.
I am with you on that one but it took -700 more than two months to finally be announced going to Marketplace, so I decided it's better to have it already. But yeah, the initial purchase from their page, plus downloading installer from mail, plus some activation and verification codes, PMDG software that need to be open and the idea, that I'm the one who has to be on a watch out for updates makes it much more inconvenient as compared to Marketplace.
@@maczetamaczeta189 Yeah my exact reason, just a lot less hassle for the user.
You don't actually need to spent money for serious flight simulation, for example most of great aircraft for X-Plane 11 like Zibo 737 are free and with tons of free and good plugins, even i that i still play FS2004 i can enjoy it as a complex simmer, you only need to be aware of the real topics of aviation rather than just watching tutorials of how to land an ILS CAT I and then you will be fine.
@@mileshenessey last time I checked XP11 was not free of charge. Did this change lately?
Why are people so set on the marketplace? I’m genuinely curious
I REALLY enjoyed this video! I fly the Boeing 737-8 in FSX / Orbx / AS-2016 / AS-Cloud Art, not a real-world pilot. I like the ability to fly into airports / fields that are not accessible to heavies or mid-sized airliners. I am a 'systems nerd' also and the features demonstrated in this video has won my decision to purchase for MSFS-2020. "Spot on"!
Thanks very much Stewie, I’m glad you enjoyed it : )
I think at this point, we can well and truly say that whilst MSFS still has some way to go in terms of flight modelling, it is right up there with the competition in terms of systems fidelity / modelling etc. One of MSFS strengths, is that it is a pretty comprehensive sim “out of the box”. So even with just the base version of the sim and the PMDG 737-600, that already offers one a pretty cracking simming experience.
Welcome to the MSFS club hehe. Happy flying and all the best!
Oh man, I was looking forward to an awesome story around someone getting a scrapped jet for $35! Now I feel like I need to find one.
Haha, sorry to disappoint Bill!
I believe British Airways paid the British government the princely sum of £1 for some of their Concorde’s, so by comparison $35 for a 737 would be a complete ripoff : P
All the best! : )
I got it yesterday and it's amazing, especially for the price.
Ah nice MR. Yes, at $35, it’s hard to find too much to fault haha. I do hope you’re enjoying it : )
Happy flying and all the best!
Incredible plane - PMDG did a wonderful job
their DC6 is cool too
Indeed Geandily; as with most of PMDG's output, the 600 is a cracking product and difficult to fault really (especially at this sort of price!).
Cheers and all the best : )
I really dont spend near enough time in the 737 lineup. Nearly always in an airbus, but the pmdg lineup is awesome. I prefer the 800 or 900er.
Thanks for the video iTB. Got it on Friday, it's absolutely great. I guess maybe not so much of you have the -700 of course. But it's really a peach for £30... PS if you're having problems installing Navigraph data for the 600, and you don't already have the 700, they told me they are working on it.
My pleasure Ray - thanks for watching!
Very happy to hear you’re enjoying the 600. PMDG’s new pricing model obviously works better for some than for others, but I don’t think it can be a bad thing, that we now have a very affordable “study level” jet in the sim. The 600, in isolation, is an excellent offering!
Thanks for the info re Navigraph. I haven’t tried updating the aircraft yet myself, but I do happen to own the 700 also, so it shouldn’t be a problem hopefully.
All the best! : )
You set Transponder to XPDR before pushback then TA/RA on runway entry.
LNAV and VNAV should be on before pushback to minimize workflow after take off.
Hello again 80 KTS,
Cheers for the pointers!
The TCAS thing has been mentioned a couple of times. That really just comes down to SOP; up until very recently, SOP's in my company had the TCAS set before the push. That was actually changed not too long ago though (presumably to bring us in-line with most other carriers), so something to get used to both on the line and in the sim haha.
LNAV and VNAV was a bit of a misunderstanding on my part. I had it in my head that those modes shouldn't be engaged until above a certain alt, but it seems those altitudes are where the mode actually engages (if armed) - of course they can be armed ahead of time. As I think you will have seen from my 737-800 video, I learnt my lesson there haha ; )
Thanks again!
Look great in a Britannia logo, looks to be good value and operates well, good presentation as usual. Best Regards Charlie
It would look marvellous in a Britannia logo indeed Charlie and would tie in quite nicely with our previous project idea also ; )
Let’s hope some intrepid young repainter is working on such a livery as we speak haha (I’m sure someone will do one in due course at any rate).
Cheers and all the best!
Yes, i agree with you, best price/quality for MSFS...😉
Hi Richard,
Yes, the 600 offers absolutely cracking value for money and hopefully sets the tone (to some degree) of what we can expect from the future pricing of addons.
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Maybe the €$ for the 800?❤️😉
As alwayes with your reviews, they are so good and professionel made, well prepared in comparison with many amateur reviews on you tube, thanks a lot, think I will buy the 737-600
Rodger rodger check our clearance Clarence, what's our vector Victor?
Thank you very much Ole, very kind of you to say and much appreciated!
My pleasure on the video! I'm really glad you enjoyed watching and I hope you have fun with the 600, should you decide to pick it up.
Cheers and all the best : )
I’m definitely getting the -600. My plan is to get them all. I’ve allays liked the ng series.
Ah well then the 600 is a “no-brainer” Jeremy haha. It’s unfortunate that the new pricing model means the fleet costs a lot more overall, but the cost structure works well for some and not for others I suppose.
I do hope you enjoy the 600 and indeed the rest of the fleet then! Happy flying : )
Another top quality review from ITBS my No1 go to for MSFS reviews, You have just earned PMDG another sale mate! Keep up the awesome content 👌
Thanks very much Scotty, certainly very kind of you to say! I do hope you’re enjoying the 600 then; you can’t really go too far wrong for this sort of money and I think the 600 may well now even be my favourite variant of the NG family haha. I’ll have to let PMDG know that they owe me some commission : P
Happy flying and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for getting back mate, You always take the time to give me a personal response when i comment on your excellent content and i really appreciate it! So many other TH-camrs can't be bothered to communicate with their subscribers, That will be their loss in the end, Ref the 600 it's the only NG i am interested in, It looks great IMO and performs so well! 👍
Does this airplane have weather radar? Mine does not show anything
Hi Tromas,
Unfortunately, as with many MSFS addons, there is no working weather radar on the PMDG 737. Most “study level” jets don’t make use of the default weather radar implementation, as it’s pretty basic (I still would have thought that it’s better than nothing); Asobo were supposed to make improvements to the default radar API but, I guess we’re waiting on MSFS 2024 now. . .
I hope that clarifies things. All the best!
whenever i see the 600 i just imagine someone building a not to scale replica 737. Always funny to see it taxi past a private jet and see how not-so-big it is compared to them xD
Haha, it does rather have that look to it Lluvik XD
I love the aesthetic of the 737-500, but the wings of the 600 look rather out of proportion vs the body of the aircraft. It's certainly a stubby little jet (not sure I've ever seen one in the real world actually), but I quite like it as a result haha.
All the best! : )
Really beautiful take off and landing! ❤
Thanks very much Chris! Much appreciated : )
Flew late afternoon into early evening from LOWI to EGVN via a few waypoints across Europe (3.25 hour flight in total), most of it in VR in the 700 and LNAV was absolutely flawless. But as you say, in my humble view it’s always been good. And there’s something very naughty about ‘flying’ across Europe whilst quaffing three Staropramens… :)
I won’t be getting the 600 only because I just won’t fly it. I love the 700 and use it (and the 146) for 90% of my sim activity. So the 600 will sit in the community folder and never get loaded. Will be getting the 800 though, and the later 747.
Sounds lovely Mark! I enjoy simming, VR and the occasional beer, but I’ve yet to combine the 3 - sounds like a winning combination haha!
Fun fact; the recording of this video was actually delayed by a couple of hours, as I initially sat down to do it after a particularly “leisurely” lunch haha (the flying was ok, but the commentary left a little to be desired ha.
That’s fair enough of course. The 600 won’t be to everyone’s tastes / needs, but for those looking for their first “study level” jet, it’s a cracking option! I’m glad you’re enjoying the 700 though - I do hope the authorities weren’t waiting for you when you pulled onto the gate XD
Happy flying! : )
Wow, what model VR do you have?
Hi RC,
Was that question aimed at myself, or Mark? : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations It was at Mark, but I'd love to hear what you use or recommend for VR. Thank you! Your vids are fantastic!
Haha, well you’re probably better off with Mark’s opinions, as I’ve only tried a couple of headsets myself. I currently own the Samsung Odyssey and the HP Reverb G2. The Samsung is my trusty go-to headset, but the display is pretty low-res by modern standards and the upholstery is slowly removing itself from the headset. The HP Reverb display is excellent, but I can’t really make use of the headset, as it doesn’t fit very well with my IPD (at least I think that is I the issue). I am currently on the hunt for a new headset myself actually.
I’m really glad you’re enjoying the content! Thanks very much and all the best : )
wonderful video, thanks! I was on the fence about the 737 (flying the Fenix and 146) but will be picking up the 600.
Thanks Lior, my pleasure!
I think PMDG will really reap the benefits of their decision with the 600; I’m sure many like yourself who were on the fence, or simply can’t afford typical “study level” prices, will be picking this one up. Ive no doubt if one has already purchased the 700, this offer may not be nearly as appealing, but as a product in its own right, the 600 is a cracking deal!
All the best : )
Yep this will absolutely be my first PMDG product :D I would love to see a 737-200 one day, I'd love to try doing it the retro way :D
Hi Christina,
Ah great, well you and many others I’m sure! The 600 is a cracking option for those who were on the fence, or unable to afford to get into “study level” jets previously etc.
MILVIZ have in fact announced that they’re working on a 737-200! Music to my ears, as I’ve always preferred the classics and the 200 (and being MILVIZ, it should be pretty great).
Happy flying and the best : )
Well i watched the video again finaly bought this jet yesterday. Even though i really am more of a GA flyer. Initial load was one of the longest ever but as my first PMDG product this was absolutely worth it. While i still love the JF 146, this thing blows the 146 just right out of the water in probably every cattegory except user friendlyness. I miss the ability to just import a OFP and setup the plane with one click.
Sure is a lot more involved to start and set up, much like the FBW airbus with the full FMS and a lot of new switches and switch positions to learn.
But the sounds, specially the engine sounds are just NSFW category. Just sounds exactly like when i am plying the plane as a passenger (-800 series mostly).
And the V and L Nav is the smoothest of any plane i have used so far.
I decided that as a first flight the Mach Loop would give me a good feel of the plane. And man does she fly absolutely fabulous. Such a feel of weight and inertia and yet effortless thanks to those powerfull engines.
Really looking forward to dig into this plane and find out the best way to setup/import a flightplan and go a proper flight.
Haha, sounds like the start of a slippery slope mate! : P
PMDG have gotten a lot of flak recently for some of their business decisions, deserved or not, there is no doubt they know what they're doing, when it comes to creating complex and entertaining addons! The 737 is a gem and an absolute steal for $35. The 600 in particular has a bit of a "146 vibe" to it and can be great fun to use and abuse as a result (on the Mach Loop being a case in point haha).
I hope you're getting to grips with it now. It's aways good funning digging into a new addon and finding out what is what! Happy flying : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yeah down that slope way too far already.
Tbh with what they deliver, i'll cut them some slack. Think of it this way, the clothes we often wear, made in China etc, we are just not as close to the one producing tyhe goods to notice bad stuff. (Bad analogy i know)
It sure is a steal. Only done 3 proper flights with it so far. Most days i end up jumping in the 337, Arrow or Islander and continue my world tour instead or fly with a friend who is very new to flight sim.
Took about 1,5 flight to get to grips with most systems. Though i have not used the hold or missed aproach features yet.
Videos like yours help me get the flow down before i even get a module which helps tremendously in how quick i learn a plane.
I did DL some fanatstic retro liveries from KLM; Lufthansa and Pan-Am that looke rather sexy on the plane so will have to take a few flights with it the next few days :D
The sounds are the same either way cuz I looked up the official sounds and they said they have the official recordings from the 737-600 which makes sense cuz all the 737s use the same engines there’s no differences.
@@Gamerguy-501 Yeah, what i mean is more the sound levels, since the engines are in different positions from the cockpit.
You’ll actually get better climb performance out of the 700. Even though it’s slightly bigger than the 600, it has the wing from the 800.
Is that so Cohorts? Is that better climb performance in terms of achievable FL, or also in terms of climb rate? I'm quite surprised if the excess thrust doesn't get the 600 up to a given altitude more quickly (and 737NG Drivers video on the aircraft rather alluded to that), but I'm not all that informed when it comes to matters of the 737, so I'm certainly not suggesting you're incorrect haha.
Cheers, all the best : )
Thanks again for yet another very nice video. Have to say i was quite taken aback by the pricing, but a very nice surprise. Going to be in the hangar once my current DCS urge gets sated. I am also in the short n stubby camp haha. Goes for the 146 as well, really enjoy the -100 there the most, beside the -300 at MTOW is a real dog even if that has it's own fun.
A pleasure once again sir!
Yeah, I was very surprised with the pricing also (I guess we all were); it's certainly very hard to argue at that sort of money (though a few still do of course haha)!
I hopped back into DCS for the first time in months the other day - it wasn't pretty XD
I agree; there's just something satisfying about the baby jets, I don't know what it is. Either way, I can also certainly get onboard with the baby pricing haha : P
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Baby jet, i like that nick haha.
Yeah DCS can be quite hard to get back into due to the relearning curve. Been doing the relearning on the F18 myself to get up to shape for the Raven One campains.
Thanks for all your great videos. I am intrigued to know how you get the wing view in the opening segment. I can do it with some GA aircraft but not PMDG. The camera seemed abreast of the wing but viewed from a cockpit window. The wing view has always been my favourite view for watching recorded flights. cheers, Michael
Hello again Michael, a pleasure as always!
For the PMDG 737, you need to access the wing views via the camera menu (located on the toolbar at the top of the screen). Switch to the external camera and you should have the choice between “Drone” and “Fixed”. If you select “Fixed”, there will be a number of pre-set views available, including wing views.
I hope that helps! All the best : )
This would be great with tobiss eye tracker and awesome in VR!😅
It sure would Steve! I just got a new PC actually, so I’m looking forward to properly getting stuck into some MSFS VR soon : )
All the best!
Excellent little aircraft, might pick up when I can gather the funds! It'd be great to see PMDG have a go with the MAX at some point as I'm sure they'd do it great job at it (certainly better than the Bredok3D version in any case).
I'm most excited for the 777 though as we sorely need a study level iteration in the sim!
anything they'll do will be better than the bredok3d version
It is indeed Silvy and certainly worthy of consideration at this sort of price point.
I gather PMDG have stated that they will be looking to model the MAX, but that will be after their 777, 747 etc (so some time away yet).
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Ahhh, that I didn't know! Looking forward to it in that case.
While they're add it, at the 787 and 777X to the queue and finish off the operational Boeing lineup! LOL
Haha! All in good time perhaps ; )
The reference to config tests comes from Chris Brady’s excellent book on the 737. It came about after the Hellenic air disaster so config’s were added both before T/O and in flight. I guess after pushback and brakes released advancing the power levers momentarily to T/O thrust would let you know if you are configured for T/O. There is a vid on you tube of a B777 commencing take off then rejected because of a config discrepancy.
Thanks for the info Gerard! Yes, makes sense. The Airbus has an actual pushbutton to test the takeoff config, but I guess it's just a function of using the thrust levers on the 737 then.
I'm really surprised that it's not covered in the checklist but then again, I suppose the checklist covers all of the items that the config test would otherwise catch.
Cheers again : )
I don't know if you are aware but you can actually arm LNAV on the ground during line up. In the sim once, I took off and had a dual FMC failure and when I went to use operator SOP's which is normally at 400ft call "LNAV" green and engaged, I had hdg sel on the FMA and was confused for a second which felt like a long time until I glanced at the MCP and then seen the FMC's black screens... not fun... lol. Moral of the story is it pays to have a roll mode armed to call because I probably wouldn't have noticed the failure reversion otherwise.
Thanks very much for the pointer AB. I don't know why, but I had it in my head that the modes shouldn't be engaged until airborne (I've generally only flown the classic and the 200 in sims though, so perhaps it stems from that). Either way, I put your advice to good use and incorporated the procedure into my next 737 vid ; )
Hopefully I wont have any failures to contend with haha, but I always like to simulate things accurately where I can.
Thanks again and all the best! : )
Hi, thanks for the review. You are correct in that this is good value if you just want the 600 version, and you have not already bought the 700. However, the cost increases a lot if you want more than one variant. I am not a fan of this pricing model. I prefer the base pack and addon modules method which provides a core simulation and extra addon versions at a more modest cost. Anyway, I will not be getting this as I am very happy with the 700.
And others prefer this pricing model and complained about having to pay for variants they didn't want. You can never please everyone, it seems.
@@litgeorge You indeed can't. I'm for one happy that PMDG "pleased" precisely me this time, as I decided I want only one version of 737 and was patiently waiting for -800. Well, the wait is over, as it turned out I am going to be -600 variant pilot for half the price.
I prefer this pricing model. All I wanted was a PMDG 737 and I got one for $35. I hope they continue with this with other aircraft types.
For sure Peter; the new pricing model benefits some and not others, depending on what it is they’re actually looking for. I think at least *part* of the reason that PMDG have gone with their new pricing model, is that the in-sim Marketplace does not support their old marketing strategy (though I’m certainly not saying that would be the only reason). I can see advantages and disadvantages on both sides, but looking at the 600 in isolation, I think it’s great that we have an eminently affordable “study level” option in the sim (I guess that can only be a good thing for the hobby) and as an added bonus, if sales of the 600 turn out to be spectacular, maaaybe it will persuade PMDG to bring down their costs a little more overall. We shall see. . .
Thanks as always! : )
I'm waiting for the 800 but this at this price, hmm is tempting.
Hehe, indeed David; I think many people are holding out for the 800 just like yourself and I’m sure PMDG priced the 600 to try and lure people in.
I really like the little baby Boeing, but of course if you can hold out just a little bit longer, you can save yourself a decent chunk of change (if you aren’t too bothered about the 600). Either way though it’s a quality product - worth the money.
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations End up buying it yesterday. It's a PMDG 737 for a great price and it flies beautiful. Money it's a little tight at the moment, so the decision for the 600 or waiting for the 800 was easier 😎
Never engage the second AP for approach on the 737 unless you're planning on doing an autoland. I know it's the procedure on the A320, but the 737 is an old machine with its workarounds.
Ah OK, thanks for the pointer Enzino, much appreciated! As somebody used to the Airbus, that does indeed seem a little bit odd haha, but I shall try and bear that in mind for next time : )
Cheers and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations More questions just ask. I flew the 737 for 3,5 years and I've recently moved to the Airbus.
The reason for not arming the second AP on the 737 is that at around 350 ft RA the trim wheel spins around 13 times nose up for the flare during autoland. This is why you had an out of trim aircraft when you disconnected the AP.
Thanks very much Enzino, I may take you up on the offer at some point then.
Haha, well that explains it - very interesting (I had no idea, just assumed it was a sim issue). I shan’t make that mistake again then ha.
Cheers : )
U didn't get the reverse thrust levers all the way back... it was just sitting there with the sleeve open.
Hi TTD,
Not being all that familiar with the 737, I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by "the sleeve open"?
I was aiming to get the thrust levers into the idle-reverse position (I thought I had by the looks of things?) and just used the keybinding that I normally would to achieve that. Perhaps the PMDG doesn't use the default keybinding there and I made an error. . .
Cheers and all the best : )
“19 degrees, so fairly warm”….I’ve lived in Australia for too long…35 is fairly warn…19 is freezing!😀
Haha! Well it’s all relative I suppose Michael; 35 degrees has been treated as the apocalypse, over in the UK these last couple of weeks XD
“Upside down” and enduring temperatures above 23 degrees - I don’t know how you guys do it! : P
Cheers and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations cheers, I’ve subbed and looking forward to more great content mate. Have a good one.
Really very enjoyable, many thanks,
Thanks once again UAV! Very much appreciated : )
Wow. What a landing sir!
Haha, thank you very much indeed, much appreciated! One tries one's best ; )
The ATC sounds real.
Hi Mike,
Well, that's because it is hehe. I used real-world ATC recordings and then edited them into the video. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that's the sort of thing you're after : )
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations , thank you. That sounded like London Control. How were you able to record it? I'm guessing via airband radio?
It is indeed London Mike. I didn’t record it myself though, rather I found the files over on Avsim : )
In Turkey this is more expensive than the game itself... I'm more of a 737 fan but a320 is what I'm gonna use i guess
Fair enough Exmerlox, although from what I’ve heard (from a few other Turkish viewers), that’s primarily because MSFS is way cheaper in Turkey, than most other countries (I realise there are reasons for that). The PMDG 737-600 might be relatively expensive, but I’m afraid it’s about the cheapest full-fidelity jetliner one is likely to come across. The FBW A320 is still a very solid offering though and the Airbus isn’t that bad of an aircraft overall ; )
Cheers, all the best!
The price is almost where it should be for a MFS (PC and Xbox) market. Imho, hoping to sell at high price a lot of units is more difficult to achieve than selling a lot at low price point. I think a lot more people would buy these modules even if they would play them for as many hours as some "passionate" would do or as in depth for that matter. But a sale is a sale and if all counts to a bigger bottom line...
I would be very interested if PMDG would come out with a live map like Flybywire has to have an apples to apples comparison.
Nice flight as always!
I’m presuming it’s a bit of an experiment for PMDG on a different pricing approach - wouldn’t be surprised if this becomes one of the best selling add ons of all time!
Hi Zaelu,
Absolutely. I think the devs are still finding their footing in MSFS currently, but it’s pretty clear we are seeing a downward trend in the “study level” addons. I suspect (as Superdelphinus points out) that the 600 is a little bit of an experiment for PMDG; hopefully it pays off big time, as it’s a win-win in theory!
I’m glad you enjoyed the flight. Thanks for watching and all the best : )
Agreed and agreed Superdelphinus ; )
does the fire and stall test work as well with mach airspeed?
Hello Dwight,
They all work, yes. I don’t know whether there ought to be but, there’s no animation on the yoke for the stall test (you can hear the stick shaker going though).
I hope that helps. All the best : )
Great video and awesome modeling by PMDG! BTW, I like your new ITB logo!
Have you checked whether the FPV option for the PFD is modeled?
Take care!
Thanks very much Wikstrom, I'm really glad you enjoyed the video and indeed the new logo (very few people have made mention of it haha). I figured the logo looked a little bit fresher / more modern and is perhaps more appropriate for the channel, given that I fly all sorts of addons (not just warbirds).
I'm afraid I didn't check regarding the FPV option. I'm not at my main PC right now, so I'm not able to take a look, but I would be somewhat surprised if PMDG didn't model such an option. Sorry I can't be more helpful on that one.
Cheers and all the best! : )
'PMDG played a blinder' you mean they sell a shorter version of something that already exists and get another 30 quid a pop!
Hi AstroDad,
I’m not saying that PMDG priced the 600 altruistically; they most likely knew the 600 wouldn’t sell all that well (at “full” price) and that they were facing stiff competition on the pricing from the likes of Fenix etc. The fact remains though, that £30 is a great price when looking at the product in isolation. Many people can’t justify the costs of your average “study level” jet - the 600 gives those people an affordable (which can’t be a bad thing for the hobby in general).
My point was not to be “pro PMDG” per se (and yes, it’s rather galling if one has paid $70 for the 700, to then be told that you could have picked up essentially the same product at half the price), but I am pro the hobby becoming more affordable / accessible and the 737-600 certainly goes some way towards making that the case.
I know not everyone will agree with me on the above, but that’s my two pennies worth at any rate.
All the best! : )
I think I will make this my first ever payware honestly
I think the 737-600 makes for a brilliant starting point! I do hope you enjoy it : )
One little glitch, during spool up the -7B behaves differently, the simulation is much too quick.
Ah ok, thanks e36! I am indeed not aware of any of the specifics of the engine haha. Hopefully PMDG will tweak a few things in that regard then.
All the best : )
Not bad for a 'Bus driver.... Not bad at all !!!! Greetings from Australia...
Haha, thank you sir! Still a few errors undoubtedly (some of which I noticed whilst watching the video back), but a few improvements I think also and most of what we discussed, I think / hope I managed to make use of haha.
I have to say, the more I “fly” the 737, the more I’m enjoying it! It’s a lot more engaging to operate than its European counterpart.
Thanks for watching and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes many improvements so well done ! A quick note: For a flap 5 Takeoff, you can select Flap 1 when above V2+15 (white bug) and Flaps Up when above the Flap1 bug. In my airline we also must be accelerating (green trend arrow) as well. Other TO Flap settings use the same principle. So for a Flap10/15 takeoff select Flap 5 above V2 +15, Flap 1 above Flap 5, Flap Up above Flap 1 bug.
Don't have the 700 and i don't have a huge interest in airliners but even i'm tempted by this
Just keep the 700 and “ forget” it’s not a 600,800 or anything else.
Hehe, I was just saying to someone else Jenny, that I’d imagine even the most committed of GA flyers *might* be tempted by the 600. I can absolutely understand why some people just don’t enjoy commercial jets in the sim, but at this sort of price point, the 600 is a great way of allowing one to “dip their toes in” (and it’s also the variant that is most bush plane-esque haha).
All the best : )
When I saw the red engines I assumed you were flying the SAS livery 😭 Still very much enjoyed the video despite that massive disappointment at the start 😉 May actually buy this instead of the 800 for this price. I want a 737, but don’t think it will be my main aircraft after the first couple of weeks. $35 makes too much sense. I can buy another addon for the price difference!
I’m going to buy this and just forget that it’s a 600 not an 800.
I had my first flight in this today. Really impressive and fun addon! I was surprised at how easy it was to get everything set up using the interactive checklist and some experience with the FMS in the Salty 747. Using the CDU for ground equipment, boarding and loading works well enough, but an EFB will be welcome.
Haha, well funnily enough Øystein, I was just about to start planning an SAS flight for this video, but then spotted the Globespan livery - bad luck I’m afraid haha : P
For what it’s worth, I did do an SAS outing some time ago (in the CRJ), I don’t know whether you saw that:
th-cam.com/video/qx3CGid-9DI/w-d-xo.html
The 600 is undoubtedly excellent value for money and a bit of a “no-brainer” for those who aren’t too bothered about which variant of the 737 they want. If you’re an SAS fan, I guess you’re pretty well catered for either way : )
I see you picked up the 600, I’m glad you’re enjoying it - happy flying!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I’ve seen that a couple of times as part of my decision to buy the CRJ and again as a tutorial. I really like the CRJ. The 737 actually feels a bit easier to fly with the advanced vnav and autothrottle. I have yet to have a really perfect landing after 5 flights though 😛
beautiful job well done
Thanks very much Doug! I’m really glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
Hi, could you do a review on the trislander by any chance ?? Was thinking about purchasing it but can’t find any review worth watching !! Thanks in advance. Happy flying....
Hi Dyeahna,
I’m afraid the Trislander isn’t really an aircraft that interests me personally. I’m always happy to consider requests of course, but I tend to make videos that I know I will enjoy, as I don’t want the whole process to become a grind.
Apologies, I know that’s probably not the answer you were hoping for. “Never say never” though - if I’m ever stuck for something to do on a rainy day, maybe I’ll take a look at it haha ; )
All the best! : )
Just incredible! Is there a minimum spec of PC?
Hi Stephen,
I believe PMDG does outline the minimum specs on their website (I can’t remember what those are off the top of my head I’m afraid). It’s a great addon at an incredible price undoubtedly - I do hope you manage to get it running : )
All the best!
Great video - well done. Definitely a purchase. Query; what mouse and view setup are you using to get such great accuracy viewing and selecting switches. I'm using TrackIR and lock but still can't achieve your accuracy selecting and operating switches.
I'd also love to know this!
Thanks very much Byron, glad you enjoyed it!
I’m using TrackIR, but everything else is pretty standard (I’m using a cheap Logitech mouse etc haha). I have my TrackIR profile posted over on Flightsim.to, should you wish to give it a try : )
I hope that helps, all the best!
Hi ASA,
As I mentioned to Byron; I have my TrackIR profile posted over on Flightsim.to, should you wish to give it a try : )
All the best!
Great videos! I noticed that on the Birmingham -Dublin and on the Glasgow- Stanstead you didn’t perform a ‘config’ check or did I miss it? As I said great vids, we’ll do e
Thanks very much Gerard, I'm glad you enjoyed the flights!
That's a good question haha. You certainly didn't miss anything, it was something I neglected to do, although interestingly it wasn't covered in any of the checklists I was using (including a real-world one). If memory serves me correctly, does one simply (briefly) jam the throttles forward for the config test? I guess the same thing is achieved on the runway, coming up to takeoff power, but a check before that point certainly seems prudent. I am by no means a 737 expert, so I'm always happy to learn more. How would you set about doing it? : )
Cheers and all the best!
Great video! Have you activated the bloom?
Thanks very much Xninja, glad you enjoyed it!
My settings are pretty much the default "High End" preset; so if bloom is enabled as part of that (and I seem to recall that it is), then yes I would have been using it (I'm afraid I can't remember off the top of my head though haha).
Cheers and all the best! : )
Let's learn 737 ! If I follow 737-700 tutorials, same information applies to 737-600 ?
I'm probably not the most reliable person to ask Ronnie - being an Airbus guy haha, but from what I do know, I would say very much so! The differences between the entire NG family appear to be very minor and so what applies on one variant, almost always seems to apply to to the others (in the order of 95% of the time).
If you've found some decent 700 tutorials, they can definitely be used to help you fly the 600 : )
Best of luck!
I'm hopeful that more of the really detailed and dedicated teams making study level aircraft start to follow a cheaper pricing model regularly. I think its finally viable, due to the record number of new simmers and the fact that MSFS is open not just to PC gamers but also Xbox. The larger the potential market gets, the easier is to recoup the initial investment that goes into truly excellent aircraft that teams like PMDG design.
The problem with mods like this, and why payware mods (including for American Truck Simulator or Euro Truck Simulator) exist, is because they have to be updated constantly, no? The game devs are constantly changing variables or something in the way the models are called, or the way certain elements exist in the plane. Like if a new way to render lights were added and you don't edit the code files for your model, then upon update, anyone with your mod will just crash.
At least, I'm assuming it's the same with MSFS. All these sim type games have constant updates to the engine. It's not even that the mesh model is hard to make, it is, but it's like, cool, take 2 months making it... now it's you the consumer that has to pay per updates. I could be wrong though. That's the way it worked on American Truck Simulator: a payware model for mods because of a need to update the mod's code whenever they release an engine update to the game (and your mod doesn't include the new variables they added).
Hi Charles,
Yes, it does seem to be the case that we are now paying considerably less for some of our high-level addons in the sim. MSFS has a number of "study-level" addons around the $50 mark and I think it would now be hard for addon developers to stray too far away from that, since expectations have perhaps been set. I'm not expecting that the 737-800 will be priced quite this low, but I'd imagine PMDG would struggle to sell it at their older prices, with the 600 being such a great option on the table.
As you say, I think the number of simmers on the platform means it's finally possible to sell large numbers of units at a lower cost. Hopefully a win-win for both consumers and developers alike!
All the best : )
Hi Deqa,
It sounds like ATS is a little bit different from MSFS. The sim is indeed being constantly updated, but by and large developers update and fix their products accordingly and for free (only the really bad devs seemingly make little effort to do so). I own rather a large number of addons and having been using MSFS since day 1 - so far I think all of my addons are still working (although one or two do have minor bugs).
ATS sounds like it could / would be very frustrating in that regard; I'm surprised there isn't more support from the payware mod creators. . .
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Oh I see, yeah SCS games have a kind of community accepted model of payware for update compatibility. I'm not sure why the community accepts it. I would have to see the differences in quality between payware mods and the free ones (ambient occlusion, animations, etc).
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I can tell you, as someone working on a truck mod for ATS, that the only reason pay-for addons exist is just to charge you money for them. It can take someone like me a week to make it, but if we can milk it, why not?
There's also a lot of stuff to read when making addons, like which gauge uses which keyframes, naming conventions for objects, physical accuracy. With MSFS, the game is more of a sim than the truck simulator games on. The truck simulator games have an audience that doesn't want to "study anything" in the truck, and so it's more important that a developer charges you a certain amount "if you can change the exhaust stack into 20 other shapes" (an extruded cylinder, LMAO).
I paid for some addons in these truck games, and there definitely still is payware in MSFS, but it's like, it's up to the consumer. If devs just want to make money for our work, then that's what we'll do, because clearly we're starving, LMAO. Nonetheless, there are study level addons, as you said, in MSFS that work perfectly fine. MSFS is more about "teaching you something" and games like truck simulators are more about milking you for your money for aesthetics, for sure.
A lot of the payware addons in MSFS are more like "Look at this cool plane that isn't really useful to study and doesn't need to be open source, you will pay for it because it's cool!". That's how truck sim is. All the study level stuff in MSFS is more open source as you said.
Amazing!!! Very reality
Thanks very much Helmuth! I try to keep things as realistic as I can - glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
Is the window footage real or Microsoft flight sim? Its crazy!
I’m usually a steam gauges only kinda guy but for 35$ I’ll grab it.
Haha, I’m sure you aren’t the only one that’s been lured over to the “dark side” by the 600 Fred! It’s hard to pass up on this sort of value for sure ; )
Happy flying and all the best! : )
What are you using in order to look around in the cockpit so smoothly?
Hi Jonas,
I'm using a head-tracking device called "TrackIR" for the camera movements. It's great, although a little pricey. There are cheaper / freeware alternatives available though, should you wish to give it a go for yourself : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
these varients seem like they have the same engine sounds and other simular things that should really make them more unique from one another, hope pmdg doesnt do this for the -800 too😕
Hi DA,
I believe PMDG claim that each variant does use different engine sounds etc. I’ve no idea whether that’s the case or not though and not being all that familiar with the 737, I’m not personally sure how much variation one would hear between the different variants. Certainly, when charging “full price” for each aircraft, different soundsets etc should be included. Haven’t tried the 800 myself yet, but looking forward to doing so when I get the chance.
Cheers and all the best! : )
I have this huge problem with the PMDG 737-600, where it keeps trying to pitch up whenever I put the yoke in its natural position. Even if I pitch the nose using the trim down, it still won't work. And, all my settings are set to true to life. Any fix?
your track ir settings seem to be on point. would you mind sharing your setup file?
Hi Fabian,
If you head over to Flightsim.to, I have my profile posted there (just search !Into the Blue TrackIR profile" and you should find it no problem).
I hope that helps! All the best : )
I'm a bit late to the party, but wanted to say wonderful job on this video. Its certainly the best value for all that you get with this aircraft. I did have a question: I noticed that after landing roll out and cleaning up a/c, you move the spoiler lever from full down to the up position. This shouldn't be required. once the spoiler are in the armed pos, they will fully deploy automatically upon touchdown. Also, did you use the apprch button on final to capture the glide? I didn't notice. Keep up the great content.
Thanks very much R. Walt! I'm really glad that you enjoyed the video and indeed that you're enjoying the product. The 600 is indeed superb value for money.
If I understand your question correctly: I didn't additionally deploy the spoilers manually on touchdown. I armed them, which as you say, is sufficient for them to deploy upon landing, but in the 737 (if I'm not wrong) spoiler deployment also mechanically moves the lever to the "deployed" position. So for the clean-up, I was just moving the lever back to the stowed detent. Does that make sense? As to your second point, I did indeed use the APPR button to capture the glide yes.
I hope that clarifies things a little? Thanks again for the kind words! Much appreciated and all the best : )
I can't wait for the 737 to come to Xbox
Yeah, the 737 is going to be a brilliant option for everyone on the console! Shouldn't be too much longer to wait now hopefully : )
All the best!
Hello. Thanks for the video. I am tempted by this version of the 737 PDMG, due to the attractive price. What are the differences between the 737-700 and the 737-600, besides the weights, the performances and the external winglets? Thank you
Hi Tommy,
Thanks very much, my pleasure on the video!
I'm perhaps not the best person to ask, since I'm not all that clued-up on Boeing aircraft, but I believe the short answer would be "not many" haha. The two products are essentially identical and it really is just the minor airframe differences (and their associated performance effects) that differentiate the two aircraft. So far as I am aware, everything you get with the 700, you also get with the 600 (with the exception of the winglets).
If you aren't too fussed about which variant you want and you don't have any issues with the "stubby" aesthetic of the 600, then picking up the cheaper offering really is the way to go!
I hope that helps a little? All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the info. From what I understand, if you have learned to fly the smaller one, you also learn the larger ones. Systems should all be the same for good or bad. Too bad about the winglets, they are in trend now! :) I will take the 600 for the price too! Thank you! Have a nice day!
Just getting into sims - so a few simpleton Q’s…..
* is this on the current Flt Sim?
* where / how do I download this add on?
Thank you
Hi YTA,
This addon is available for Microsoft Flight Simulator yes and it can be purchased directly from the PMDG website (it is currently only available for the PC version of the sim). Just a small word of caution though, the PMDG 737 does have quite a steep learning curve if you're new to simming.
I hope that helps. All the best and good luck! : )
whats the best general aviation / smaller plane for value? i am looking for something 60s,70s,80s with autopilot and nice looks! i hate those modern airliners.
Hi Alfder,
Apologies for the slow reply; I would have said the C310, but it seems you beat me to it on that one haha! The MILVIZ / Blackbird Cessna is a really excellent addon though and arguably *the* most comprehensive addon available for MSFS. Enjoy!
Cheers, all the best! : )
whats up with the ATC background coms? is that some mod or do you just place them randomly on the video?
Hi NOYB,
The latter: The ATC is actually real-world recordings, which I’ve then edited into the video. There is an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
called the baby 737
A very appropriate name overall hehe. I like it though : )
All the best!
l am going to buy the 737-900 for my long flights
Enjoy! : )
Love it.
Yeah it’s a very nice addon Ed, especially for the price : )
All the best!
While I appreciate the price point and that it's a "study level" aircraft, let's face that it's merely a variation of the -700, not a completely new product, and this inexpensive only because PMDG knows demand is going to be extremely low for this model. The majority is waiting for the -800 and that won't be this cheap. This variation is barely in use anymore, so on one hand it's wonderful, on the other hand it's this cheap for a very good reason. The -800 will be "The" product, really.
The -800 and all other MAX variations will be more popular than free beer at a football game. I'm excited to see it released.
Hi Gábor,
I very much agree with all of your points there haha; but looking at the 600 in isolation, I think it's a great product and whilst many people may have previously been unable to afford a "study level" addon for the sim, now most will be able to (and that has to be a good thing for the hobby in general!).
I don't think PMDG priced the 600 altruistically, but whatever their reasoning, the addon will be a great option for those who didn't purchase the 700 / are indifferent to which variant of the 737 they pick up : )
I hope that clarifies the point I was trying to make a little better. All the best!
If you fly with low visibility and cloud *all the time* does the new MSFS version have any really big superiority over the steam fsx PMDG 737? The database is more up to date and has new things like RNP which makes my old paper material even less useful!
I do not want to see the ‘screamingly’ wrong new clouds and reflective waters.
Steam fsx PMDG’s 737 has a nice programable HUD, is it in development for the new MSFS version?
Hi GFN,
The short answer would be “no”. It sounds like you have FSX dialled in pretty well for what you’re after and in some respects FSX handles clouds and visibility much better than MSFS. The MSFS flight model does have a number of advantages over FSX these days, but I don’t think that’s of a particularly huge benefit when looking at a commercial jet.
I could be wrong, but I believe the HUD is already implemented in the MSFS version of the 737, I just don’t like to use it. We are still waiting on an EFB though. . .
I hope that helps a little? All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Big Thanks for your time here, a very helpful response. The wet runways and taxiways in FSX are real enough for me and what about the FSX PDMG 737 written material! 10/10.
Thanks again.
You’re most welcome! Cheers : )
guess im buying a new jet when i get home
Haha! At least you won’t have to be away for as long to pay for this one Marshie ; )
is there any liveries it doesnt have compared to the 800 or the more expensive one?
Hi Shirellx,
Yes, each variant of the 737 comes with different livery options, broadly based on the real-world airlines using them (though there are a number of fictional liveries included also). Do bear in mind though, that a lot of freeware liveries also exist for the product, over on websites like Flightsim.to, so it’s worth checking out what options exist there as well.
I hope that clarifies things. All the best! : )
Before I purchase this and throw myself into the world of jets, which is not my world but I am excited to try something different, it looks like you are taking at least a 10fps hit in this video, compared to your normally smooth panning. Does this kill your frames and is the Fenix Airbus better or worse on the frames? Thank you as always..
Hi MM,
I can’t remember the FPS / impact off the top of my head, but I did make mention of it during the conclusion (as I generally try to do in my videos). I didn’t really notice any choppiness during the flight personally, but of course one does take some sort of a hit with such a jet. Undoubtedly though, the PMDG has the Fenix beat when it comes to FPS.
Watch the last 10 mins of the video and hopefully that will have the info you’re looking for : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
you forgot to turn all lights on ;)
Did I PilotFalcon? I don't think so (I mean, I didn't turn *all* the lights on, but I had the appropriate ones on at the appropriate time, so far as I am aware). I'm not 100% familiar with the Boeing, but I had the strobes, beacon and NAV lights on, the landing and taxi lights were on where applicable. What was it that you reckon I missed? : )
All the best!
43:03 all lights are not on … not a big deal dude…. ;) flap schedule should be : gear down and flaps 15 (no wait) / flaps 25 / flaps 30.
Very nice Thank you.....You sound rather familiar are you Capt. Mahon
Thanks very much Larry, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Haha, not me no. I was trying to figure out where I knew that name from - it’s the ITVV GO 737 documentary right (one of my favourites)?
My pleasure and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes capt. Mahon from go stansted
I noticed your 737-600 has Windows at the top of the cockpit. Are those a variant of the 600? I haven't seen those windows on any other 600 demo or screenshot for MSFS. Cheers!
Hi Myles,
The eyebrow windows are an option that can be selected ON / OFF from the CDU (like the rest of the aircraft options). They aren't specific to the 600, the 700 has the option as well. I don't think eyebrow windows are common these days, if indeed they are still a valid option on the 737, but I always liked the classic 737's and the eyebrow windows fit in with a lot of the retro liveries I like to use.
I hope that helps. All the best! : )
That was helpful, thank you! I was able to find the option in the CDU. I also prefer some of the retro styles, and appreciate a bit of extra visibility, when available. :)
Ah great, I’m glad you got things figured out Myles! Happy flying : )
How much do you think the -800 will cost? I am so tempted to pull the trigger on the -600
Best guess is the same as the 700 so 70 bucks as the 800 is most peoples favorite and PMDG would make all the people that bought the 700 mad otherwise.
Hi Ivan,
I certainly don’t have any factual answers for you there I’m afraid, but I would guess that Isamu is in about the right ballpark. PMDG knows that the 800 is the variant most people want, so I’d be surprised if they sell it any cheaper than the 700 - more likely they’ll sell it for slightly more if anything. Again though, that’s just a complete guess on my part (perhaps PMDG have had such massive sales from the 600, that they’ll stick with the new pricing structure. . .).
All the best! : )
Who wouldn't want to snap this up if they didn't have the 700? Do you think there's any chance they'll go back in time and maybe release a -100 or -200? I guess they're more likely to work on bringing over the other 7-series planes than that.
PMDG have never really made any other 737s. Milviz will probably bring their 200 over at some point though
Who wouldn’t? Those that want the 800 and don’t want to spend money on a variant they probably won’t fly much if at all when that comes out. And no, they are unlikely to do any older Boeings as they haven’t made them before unlike these which they already had the work done to port over to this sim. That being said there is news that they may do the newer Max models but that will be after they have brought all the other Boeings over, 777, 747, so years away if they do.
Indeed Craig, MILVIZ did actually announce recently, that they will be brining their 737-200 to MSFS (something that I will be very much looking forward to)! : )
Haha, well quite John; I think even the most committed of GA flyers might be tempted at this sort of price. The 600 is an excellent offering in its own right.
As far as the 100/200 goes, alas I don’t think we’ll see a PMDG effort. MILVIZ have announced that they will be brining their 737-200 to MSFS though, so that’s exciting! I also heard a (completely unverified haha) rumour, that Fenix’s next project might be a classic 737. Who knows whether that’s true, but I would love to see it happen!
Time will tell on all fronts I suppose. Cheers! : )
I didnt know there was a -600 version for 35$. I bought the 700ng for twice as much. :/
Ah, sorry to hear that OEG. The 600 is indeed a bit of a steal, but the 700 is still a very good product (and arguably is also a bit better proportioned, than the stubby little 600 haha).
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes i agree. The 700 is a beutiful plane, and very often used up in northern norway before the 800 and max took over. And to give pmdg twice the price isnt so wrong either, because they have worked their asses off to make such a great product. Very well Worth it!!
Happy flying! : )
ITBS I know you probably get this all the time, but where did you get the realistic flight chatter?
Haha, it maaaay have been asked once or twice Brave Heart : P
In my videos, I use real-world ATC recordings, which I then edit in. Typically I use recordings from LiveATC.net, but here I used some UK ATC recordings that I found over on Avsim. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though; it creates the same effect and would most likely suit the average user a bit better (most people seem to rate the program quite highly).
I hope that helps a little sir. All the best! : )
somebody needs to to
rent it out. FSX had all these for free. Imagine paying 35 bucks for some addon in a game.
Hi Rusky,
By payware "study level" standards, $35 is an absolute steal! I understand that it is "some addon in a game", but it's a very complex and well modelled addon, with arguably as much programming going into the 737, as some full games.
FSX did indeed have many airliners available as standard, but comparing the default FSX 737 with this, would be like comparing a Formula 1 car with a soapbox car hehe - both have their place, but don't offer nearly the same level of experience.
That's my take on it anyway ; )
All the best!
Quick question. Why did you arm both autopilots if you were not going to do an autoland? Thanks.
Hi MD,
Essentially, because I was trying to fly the 737 like an Airbus haha. At the time of recording, I wasn’t aware that CMD A+B was only engaged ahead of an autoland (whereas on the Airbus, an aircraft I am much more familiar with, AP 1+2 are connected for an ILS regardless).
I hope that clarifies things. All the best! : )
@IntotheBlueSimulations Ah I see. I wasn't aware of that quirk on the Airbus so we both learnt something new. Win win. All the best to you too. :)
Haha, awesome! Much appreciated, cheers : )
I want to buy this jet but I play in VR and my system is only barely capable of running it. Does this 737-600 affect performance compared to say the Asobo A320Neo that comes as standard?
Hi Andy,
I don’t remember the specific numbers for the 600 I’m afraid, but I did cover FPS during my full review of the 737-700. That should hopefully give you a good idea as to the FPS impact of the aircraft (I compared the 737 vs the default C152 - so you should be able to interpolate from that). I was getting 60 FPS in the 737-700, vs about 78 FPS in the default C152. So, if your system is already having a tough time, you might find you struggle a little with the aircraft, but I’d imagine the 737 is broadly on a par with the default A320.
I hope that helps a little? All the best! : )
Thanx for another capturing trip in the captains seat! On Flightradar24 I could see only two 600 in the air, over Africa. Could that be so?
It’s an older aircraft, and small, and looking online, they only made 69 of them anyway.
My pleasure Dan, I’m glad you enjoyed the outing!
As WhiteHawk quite rightly points out, the 600 was actually produced in only very small numbers and being an older airframe at this point, I believe many of them have been retired. So your findings on Flightradar sound very plausible for sure. I find it quite amusing, that PMDG has undoubtedly sold many times more units of the 600 than Boeing ever managed haha : P
All the best : )
Navigation lights not working? :)
Hi Pera,
I'm not sure whether the NAV lights were working or not to be honest; it may well simply be that when replaying / recording the external shots, I had neglected to turn them on again haha (it's kind of hard to see from the angles that I've recorded in the video).
All the best : )
I got a 5 3600 as GPU, so I am afraid I have to update before getting the 737-600
Ah well I’m sorry to hear that you’ll have to wait a little bit longer Anja, but I’m sure the 600 will still be here whenever you’ve managed to upgrade your PC : )
All the best!
So, how much will be the -800 variant? 99$? To milk these products the best as possible for PMDG?
Not fan of the pricing but if you can get a study level aircraft from a fraction of the price, why not...
Thanks for the review
I’m guessing $90-100. They’re trying to second guess the buying public,but that won’t work with me .I’m buying the 600 and will just forget it’s not an 800
I’m not sure on pricing for the 800 I’m afraid Max, but I suspect you’re in the right ballpark (unless the 600 is such a massive success, that PMDG choose to go for a lower pricing structure going forward).
I think you have the right idea though; the 600 is a cracking price - in isolation it’s a great product. The new pricing model certainly has its advantages and disadvantages, but for those who can live without the whole fleet, this is great buy.
My pleasure on the review! Thanks for watching and all the best : )
does the 737 600 have/ make use of the interactive checklist like the bae 146 does? enabling you to quickly set some of the switches via the co pilot
Hi Jenny,
Sorry for the verrry slow reply, but indeed the 737 does make use of the sim's interactive checklists (I've only just had a chance to check that out and it was news to me haha).
Probably a little bit late for that information to still be of use to you haha - apologies.
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the reply, I never did get the 600 though it looks like as I'm doing a lot of Uk package holiday type flight i will go for the 800 instead
You’re most welcome as always. Ah ok, well the 800 should be the same at any rate : )
Happy flying!
its 35$ beacause nobody would pay 70$ for a 600 and pmdg knows everyone is waiting for the 800
Haha, yes basically Benni.
I wasn’t necessarily saying that PMDG had priced the 600 altruistically, but either way it’s a brilliant deal for those who can’t normally afford to get into the study level jets etc!
All the best : )