Alternatively, the guide adheres to the concept of parallel universes in that every new playthrough is a new universe, and is talking about all the different incarnations of Ross, Tethys and whatnot. It's not just that the one Journeyman you get is weak, it's that all Journeymen from all universes are weak. ...am I giving the guide too much credit? Probably.
I have a problem with what they said for picks. They list picking as a Rogue skill, meaning they're talking about Rogues picking without a lockpick... but then say they need a lockpick... Als, the warrior entry lists some interesting caps. they get their defence cap in their promotion gains >bonewalker >weapons:swords,lances, *axes*
I didn't find this guide very POWERFUL, I'd say it's more WELL-ROUNDED. I don't have many good arguments for why I think that, guess I just have a POOR DEFENSE.
I think the class guide makes more sense when you consider it's also talking about enemy classes - there might only be one playable archer/thief/etc, but you'll be fighting them pretty often and the guide will need to mention them for that purpose as well.
12:17 The Mage Knight entry screams to me that whoever wrote this just did a casual playthrough of the game, struggled with Selena using a Bolting tome, and slapped the long-ranged magic thing into the guide like something that's inherent to her class.
I think a reason the class guide is included so you could get a quick rundown of how classes work for when you first encounter them as enemies as a new player
My guess is that whoever wrote this didn't realize that randomizer, where you could get multiple of each class, isn't the normal way to play it. Or, you know, they don't know what they're talking about.
A guide so powerful that it predicted the future and existence of randomizers. Giving us all the information of all classes because you never know what your units will be.
A question I've had even since I first played sacred stones is what happens if Pierce and great shield activate in the same attack can anyone tell me I'd like to know
According to a random GameFAQs guide I found apparently the Great Shield takes precedence since how Pierce works is it ignores Def whereas Great Shield ignores Dmg altogether, so I guess it's like in that moment the General has 0 Def but the Wyvern Knight has 0 Atk? So it tinks.
great shield just makes it take 0/No Damage, defense isn't even a factor, it's not adding +X value to defense. pretty sure great shield even blocks silencer.
@@landmine36 Can confirm that it does block silencer My marissa procced a silencer crit against a general and killed him. His buddy then attacked and marisssa procced again but the general procced great shield
imagine someone who played fe8 before everyone else in the west so you are the translator , there is no one to tell you which units are bad and which are good , and what is writen here is that person's personal expirience, imagine you see amelia for the fist time you foundout she has 9 more levels to grow than everyone else (exept roos) and you know how levelups are important so you instantly think amelia is good because you dont know how much bases are important ,the debate what is important for a good unit still didnt start ,there is no one to tell you that amelia is bad because nobody knows
As for the Youthful units thing, I can definetely relate to putting them in the arena being a horrible idea. On my first playthrough I tried training Ross in the chapter 5 arena, and soon realized that was a horrible idea. He got doubled by a pirate, but thankfully dodged the second hit, so I had time to yield.
Just replayed this game on Ephraim's route. Basically just ran through the game with Vanessa, Cormag, Seth, and Duessel, with some Moulder for warp. I never realized how good of a combat unit Vanessa is. I did give her all the energy rings though
I get that they could have said like Ross instead of Journeyman but there could be other Journeymen in the world and you just don’t run into them, so it wouldn’t just apply to Ross. And when it comes to singular units like Pirate A.K.A. Ross, there are still enemy pirates in the game you run into, so it could be referring to them as well.
I agree with you, there are lots of unique classes that only the player gets, maybe the guide meant also the enemy units? But yeah for Pupil, Journeyman, etc there are only 1.
You would think this "guide" would be for helping choose a promotion, so it would talk about caps and usable weapons or something. So bishops could look something like "Light magic coupled with the slayer skill makes bishops extremely effective at combating monsters. Just remember, like all magic users they are vulnerable to physical attacks, so be careful!" or something along those lines.
First it's powerful, then the next step up in the Blunder vocab is immaculate. Can't wait for Mekkkah to start dropping that mewmore mix and start telling me how it really is that easy to be the best in his next 0% growths run.
Idk, I had this guide when I was little, cause I remember playing fe7 and 8 when they came out, and I thought it was decent. What was good about this to me was just showing the visuals of what the different classes were. I already played 7 so I guess I didnt need to take these descriptions for gospel, but I wanted to see what the new units looked like before I got to them, and i guess you could say this helped deciding what characters I wanted on my team, as the character sprites dont show what their purpose is as well as showing the unit sprites. In this day and age, where the only other data on the game was the purely text gamefaqs guides, so having visual shots of the maps and the class sprites was important to me. Still enjoyed the vid, just didnt see anyone defending the guide in the chat, so figured I'd be that one guy :p
I mean its a video pointing out its flaw that can be improve but its just for improve defending isnt the right term its the reason why the guide is this bad Imagine writing a mail and go to a post office....thats only after you gather the information so thats why less people complain about its flaw just look at nowadays people rip flawed guide for entertainment (well its improving but in the author perspective it might not be)
Tbh one thing that I see you repeat a lot that miffs me(dunno if thats a phrase, you know what I mean) is that an assassin crit can usually make lethality obsolete due to KOing enemies...well, 20/1 assassin colm has average str of 12-13, same for marisa and 14-15 for joshua. And I guess in this context if you count say a killing edge or shamsir then that's 9 wpn mt so at max you're doing about 24 dmg total, so against bulky axe users even a crit(unless it's double crit) wouldn't defeat them or would just fall short of it. Also Riev has surprisingly high defence, with 16 base def at lvl 16. Even if you promote Artur or Moulder at lvl 20 and grind them to 16, their avgs are still short of Rievs by quite a bit. I'm guessing the guide makers were impressed by that aspect of Riev and it influenced the entry.
There's some enemy types you don't ORKO with a crit + hit, but they are generally the ones you do not want to face. Other than maybe Cyclopses, enemy axe using classes tend to have low def. Generally, if Assassinate is needed to do significant damage, you probably shouldn't have fought that enemy to begin with. Or used Audhulma.
Ah, I stand corrected. Looking at the stats of enemy axe users, yeah they aren't as durable as I remembered. I was thinking mostly of cyclopses. I also assumed OHKO but ORKO makes more sense I guess since assassins have pretty good spd.
Even before bringing Magic into account, surely Vakyries and Mage Knights are "better healers" on account of them being mounted and having more movement than Bishops?
You ask repeatedly what the point of this even is, and I think it's simply to list the weapons, max stats, etc of each class. That's useful information (although it would've been nice to know base weapon ranks as well...) The short description is pretty much just there as fluff text or to mention some non-obvious trait. Now, the fluff text definitely could've been better written, but I don't think this section would make sense to combine with the character guide.
I'm going to argue in favor of a class guide, especially for newer players. Deciding between promotion paths is not that easy for newer players and knowing which path to choose depends on understanding the abilities of each class. I get your issues with this guide, some characters are better in certain classes and this guide doesn't reflect that plus the information is incomplete and inaccurate, but my point still stands.
You right Mekkkah. Its stuff like this that still make people think Lyn is a good character. I still stick with my beliefs! Paladins are the best, no turning back.
I know it's a pitfall but I like using at least one of most units (sometimes I'll skip the knight, archer, and dancer *gasp*) simply because I enjoy having unit diversity for situational control or just cus it feels good. I just dont like the feeling of having an army flooded with a bunch of the same type of class. I know it isnt always optimal but I wanted to give my 2 cents. As for the class descriptions for classes with 1 playable unit I think they were going for a very "general" (hehe) class guide that is applicable even outside this specific game. Also I think it is worth mentioning these types of guides are not meant to be taken literally even by new players, they are just rules of thumb. It feels like you have some high expectations for technical and in depth advice aimed at new players which seems a bit overkill. It's easy to critique this kind of guide as a veteran player but we have also had a long time to learn the ins and outs of the series. That's how it's supposed to be, you learn a lot over time. When you consider the guide as simple guidelines for the bare bones player I think it's pretty serviceable. That's how I see it at least.
don't think many classes are required for "situational control" in fe8. I spread out my classes in fe6 because that game is so bad with promotional items
@@fangiscool1 maybe not fe 8 specifically but I was commenting more on how I play fire emblem in general, not exclusively fe 8. That said having 3 paladins and 3 fliers on my team, while "optimal" feels boring to me. I guess I just prefer diversity of my party over power gaming.
The new combat triangle:
Powerful > Poor Defense
Poor Defense > Well Rounded
Well-Rounded > Powerful
Genius
But what about the unique warriors?
@@beatsbyadmiralz5915 Clearly those are bows, and do not fit into the triangle
Very powerful guide.
very seth guide guide guide
Its entries are very well-rounded
Hey, it's a more powerful guide than your character spotlights
@@domc8089 that roast was powerful
They only way the use of the word "they" in exclusive classes like Journeyman and Dancer makes sense is if this guide predicted randomizers.
Alternatively, the guide adheres to the concept of parallel universes in that every new playthrough is a new universe, and is talking about all the different incarnations of Ross, Tethys and whatnot. It's not just that the one Journeyman you get is weak, it's that all Journeymen from all universes are weak.
...am I giving the guide too much credit? Probably.
No, you're thinking too little. They adressed Eirika and Ephraim with their classes, instantly disproving your little ramble.
@@percher4824 that is true, if you couldn't randomize into either of the great lords.
Trans positive
Amelia is P O W E R F U L in General
This guide is not only powerful, but it`s also
W E L L R O U N D E D
but it has low defence.
I didn't know Warriors stat caps use Eirika's bases.
"Powerful"
Eirika broke
Warriors garbage never use
I have a problem with what they said for picks.
They list picking as a Rogue skill, meaning they're talking about Rogues picking without a lockpick... but then say they need a lockpick...
Als, the warrior entry lists some interesting caps. they get their defence cap in their promotion gains
>bonewalker
>weapons:swords,lances, *axes*
Also they list eirika base in the warrio entry
Fog of darkness is what Thracia fog of war should be called
Amelia: Heh heh mekkkah, take a good look at me! At my tremendous power!
Mekkkah: Already words are useless...
Fire Emblem The Powerful Stones
When you do the FE9 guide I hope you find the page that mentions Titania poledancing. I vaguely remember it, i I remember right, it's from chapter 6.
I didn't find this guide very POWERFUL, I'd say it's more WELL-ROUNDED. I don't have many good arguments for why I think that, guess I just have a POOR DEFENSE.
More powerful than Obi-wan after he was stuck down by Vader, which means, more than you can ever imagine
Atleast they didn't suggest giving Gilliam the boots
GiVe AmEliA tHe BoOtS
I think the class guide makes more sense when you consider it's also talking about enemy classes - there might only be one playable archer/thief/etc, but you'll be fighting them pretty often and the guide will need to mention them for that purpose as well.
I'm expecting a video of Mekkkah throwing the book at someone and calculating weapon triangle for its MT
Don't let me down.
sorry but you'll like the ending
Mekkkah that was serviceable. I am definitely satisfied
It's very powerful, especially against living things.
12:17 The Mage Knight entry screams to me that whoever wrote this just did a casual playthrough of the game, struggled with Selena using a Bolting tome, and slapped the long-ranged magic thing into the guide like something that's inherent to her class.
The guide is powerful? like Amelia? :kappa:
Why Amelia is powerful IN GENERAL
I think a reason the class guide is included so you could get a quick rundown of how classes work for when you first encounter them as enemies as a new player
"Powerful poison bows!"
*NOPE*
My guess is that whoever wrote this didn't realize that randomizer, where you could get multiple of each class, isn't the normal way to play it.
Or, you know, they don't know what they're talking about.
They are talking about a Fire Emblem 8 from another universe!
Criticizing a guide before reading the paladin section is a pitfall
Take a shot every time he says "Poor Defense" or "Low Defense"
"Some people just will not learn." Hmmmm...
Ah yes, Bonewalkers and Wights, my favorite Axe wielding monsters
fe10 guide i remember having bad hidden item info because its based off the jp version somehow
A class guide would make sense in shadow dragon with the re class free for all and generic units exist in that game.
A guide so powerful that it predicted the future and existence of randomizers. Giving us all the information of all classes because you never know what your units will be.
"Well-Rounded" is the new "Powerful"
I thought at 17:40 , Mekkah said fog and dorcas and it made me a think for a second if thieves have a thing for dorcas
A question I've had even since I first played sacred stones is what happens if Pierce and great shield activate in the same attack can anyone tell me I'd like to know
According to a random GameFAQs guide I found apparently the Great Shield takes precedence since how Pierce works is it ignores Def whereas Great Shield ignores Dmg altogether, so I guess it's like in that moment the General has 0 Def but the Wyvern Knight has 0 Atk? So it tinks.
great shield just makes it take 0/No Damage, defense isn't even a factor, it's not adding +X value to defense. pretty sure great shield even blocks silencer.
@@landmine36 Can confirm that it does block silencer
My marissa procced a silencer crit against a general and killed him. His buddy then attacked and marisssa procced again but the general procced great shield
imagine someone who played fe8 before everyone else in the west so you are the translator , there is no one to tell you which units are bad and which are good , and what is writen here is that person's personal expirience, imagine you see amelia for the fist time you foundout she has 9 more levels to grow than everyone else (exept roos) and you know how levelups are important so you instantly think amelia is good because you dont know how much bases are important ,the debate what is important for a good unit still didnt start ,there is no one to tell you that amelia is bad because nobody knows
@@yousquiddingme I never spected that, really. It's just that the guy who wroted the FE Power Guides was drunk those days...
Did anyone else catch that wights and bonewalkers are said to use axes in the guide but in game, they can't?
@Mekkah has anyone given you the Path of Radiance guide yet? I actually have that somewhere in my closet and I wouldn't mind throwing it your way.
yeah i got several albums of that one haha
I better look for my radiant dawn guide then in case.
The Warrior caps are uh
Eirika's base stats.
Of all the things to copy and paste...
Yayyy been waiting for this ^^ thanks meckqah
As for the Youthful units thing, I can definetely relate to putting them in the arena being a horrible idea. On my first playthrough I tried training Ross in the chapter 5 arena, and soon realized that was a horrible idea. He got doubled by a pirate, but thankfully dodged the second hit, so I had time to yield.
Just replayed this game on Ephraim's route. Basically just ran through the game with Vanessa, Cormag, Seth, and Duessel, with some Moulder for warp. I never realized how good of a combat unit Vanessa is. I did give her all the energy rings though
Someone get this man a Thracia guide
The class guide could also apply to enemy units though.
i love how knoll is using sleipnir against the entombed for some reason at 22:36
I get that they could have said like Ross instead of Journeyman but there could be other Journeymen in the world and you just don’t run into them, so it wouldn’t just apply to Ross. And when it comes to singular units like Pirate A.K.A. Ross, there are still enemy pirates in the game you run into, so it could be referring to them as well.
These are fun to examine!
17:38 'Fog of darkness' would be chapter 19, obviously!
I agree with you, there are lots of unique classes that only the player gets, maybe the guide meant also the enemy units? But yeah for Pupil, Journeyman, etc there are only 1.
These arent meant to be a guide in the way you see it it is just a general description (albeit a bad one) of each class
Is the tittle a reference to "Powerfull Foe" the boss theme?
Or just to Nintendo Power?
It refers to this guide's persistence of using the word "powerful" to describe everything.
It's a reference to how the guide likes to call certain units "powerful". They just really like that word.
Odd how they didn't list promo bonuses or female stats for Wyvern Knight...
Huh? Yeah they did...Wyvern Lords only list males though, since Cormag's the only one who can promote to it.
Should be a weapon with might based on how POWERFUL this video is...
You would think this "guide" would be for helping choose a promotion, so it would talk about caps and usable weapons or something. So bishops could look something like "Light magic coupled with the slayer skill makes bishops extremely effective at combating monsters. Just remember, like all magic users they are vulnerable to physical attacks, so be careful!" or something along those lines.
I thought that was it too.
First it's powerful, then the next step up in the Blunder vocab is immaculate. Can't wait for Mekkkah to start dropping that mewmore mix and start telling me how it really is that easy to be the best in his next 0% growths run.
it is what it is. i really am out here.
I am all down for the POR guide next!
I imagine they wanted the class bios being separate for enemy units? Unless enemy units don't follow the same rules which I never really thought of
Idk, I had this guide when I was little, cause I remember playing fe7 and 8 when they came out, and I thought it was decent.
What was good about this to me was just showing the visuals of what the different classes were. I already played 7 so I guess I didnt need to take these descriptions for gospel, but I wanted to see what the new units looked like before I got to them, and i guess you could say this helped deciding what characters I wanted on my team, as the character sprites dont show what their purpose is as well as showing the unit sprites. In this day and age, where the only other data on the game was the purely text gamefaqs guides, so having visual shots of the maps and the class sprites was important to me.
Still enjoyed the vid, just didnt see anyone defending the guide in the chat, so figured I'd be that one guy :p
I mean its a video pointing out its flaw that can be improve but its just for improve defending isnt the right term its the reason why the guide is this bad
Imagine writing a mail and go to a post office....thats only after you gather the information so thats why less people complain about its flaw just look at nowadays people rip flawed guide for entertainment (well its improving but in the author perspective it might not be)
Might as well start a "well-rounded"/"well-balanced" count too.
Class guide! Also exists in the game manual, just doesnt include assassin for some reason
I had this guide, I realy only used it for the maps section
Pitfall-moulder has ok for a priest higher than you would expect
JK
Tbh one thing that I see you repeat a lot that miffs me(dunno if thats a phrase, you know what I mean) is that an assassin crit can usually make lethality obsolete due to KOing enemies...well, 20/1 assassin colm has average str of 12-13, same for marisa and 14-15 for joshua. And I guess in this context if you count say a killing edge or shamsir then that's 9 wpn mt so at max you're doing about 24 dmg total, so against bulky axe users even a crit(unless it's double crit) wouldn't defeat them or would just fall short of it.
Also Riev has surprisingly high defence, with 16 base def at lvl 16. Even if you promote Artur or Moulder at lvl 20 and grind them to 16, their avgs are still short of Rievs by quite a bit. I'm guessing the guide makers were impressed by that aspect of Riev and it influenced the entry.
There's some enemy types you don't ORKO with a crit + hit, but they are generally the ones you do not want to face. Other than maybe Cyclopses, enemy axe using classes tend to have low def. Generally, if Assassinate is needed to do significant damage, you probably shouldn't have fought that enemy to begin with. Or used Audhulma.
Ah, I stand corrected. Looking at the stats of enemy axe users, yeah they aren't as durable as I remembered. I was thinking mostly of cyclopses. I also assumed OHKO but ORKO makes more sense I guess since assassins have pretty good spd.
This guide was written by a lot of people and it shows.
Even before bringing Magic into account, surely Vakyries and Mage Knights are "better healers" on account of them being mounted and having more movement than Bishops?
"Druids are masters of Dark magic attacks"
So the Dark Magician is a Druid
They dont show the luck in the max stats
Now that's a lot of POWER
*_Powerful Foe intensifies_*
I wonder what would happen if the powerful writer came across this video
You ask repeatedly what the point of this even is, and I think it's simply to list the weapons, max stats, etc of each class. That's useful information (although it would've been nice to know base weapon ranks as well...) The short description is pretty much just there as fluff text or to mention some non-obvious trait.
Now, the fluff text definitely could've been better written, but I don't think this section would make sense to combine with the character guide.
Man those Male warrior maximum stats are to OP
I reeeaaally want to see a FE 11 guide.
Powerful stuff, Mekkkah
By the way this official art or Anna on the right, 6 fingers.
1:14 Innes?
POWERFUL
easy question.since this guide is not a spelltome, but full of glibberish ''wisdom'' u can probably knock a green unit out with it.
i rate it a 2/5
Wow, look at those Powerful maximum stats 18:30 :D
That 9 in speed will come in handy when fighting, uh, an untrained Amelia?
Better use a hatchet with that 5 Con cap.
i love when my unit gets its cap through promotion gains alone.
Gilliam is awesome
i had to double check that manakete has 6 move and ranger has 7
Rouge need lockpick very powerful advice
I'm going to argue in favor of a class guide, especially for newer players. Deciding between promotion paths is not that easy for newer players and knowing which path to choose depends on understanding the abilities of each class. I get your issues with this guide, some characters are better in certain classes and this guide doesn't reflect that plus the information is incomplete and inaccurate, but my point still stands.
4:50 But !Pick doesn't require a lockpick
You right Mekkkah. Its stuff like this that still make people think Lyn is a good character. I still stick with my beliefs! Paladins are the best, no turning back.
save the FE 10 guide for when you and Mangs do your radiant dawn play through.
I have these books laying around haha
I could hook you up with a guide for my favorite FE, Pokemon Colosseum
I know it's a pitfall but I like using at least one of most units (sometimes I'll skip the knight, archer, and dancer *gasp*) simply because I enjoy having unit diversity for situational control or just cus it feels good. I just dont like the feeling of having an army flooded with a bunch of the same type of class. I know it isnt always optimal but I wanted to give my 2 cents. As for the class descriptions for classes with 1 playable unit I think they were going for a very "general" (hehe) class guide that is applicable even outside this specific game. Also I think it is worth mentioning these types of guides are not meant to be taken literally even by new players, they are just rules of thumb. It feels like you have some high expectations for technical and in depth advice aimed at new players which seems a bit overkill. It's easy to critique this kind of guide as a veteran player but we have also had a long time to learn the ins and outs of the series. That's how it's supposed to be, you learn a lot over time. When you consider the guide as simple guidelines for the bare bones player I think it's pretty serviceable. That's how I see it at least.
don't think many classes are required for "situational control" in fe8. I spread out my classes in fe6 because that game is so bad with promotional items
@@fangiscool1 maybe not fe 8 specifically but I was commenting more on how I play fire emblem in general, not exclusively fe 8. That said having 3 paladins and 3 fliers on my team, while "optimal" feels boring to me. I guess I just prefer diversity of my party over power gaming.
Why does he call them renevants? Is there a meme I'm missing?
Hey Mekkah, would you have any interest in the Shadow Dragon guide book?
Someone's already sent it to me! Thanks though.
alright, no prob.
Fog of darkness sounds like cloud of darkness from final fantasy 3
Warrior - Maximum Strength: 4
*THIS IS INSANITY*
Another thing on this guide is that the guy who made the picture about joshua promotion got either strenght screwed or promote him up early
Well, the guide is as powerful as Dolza.
10:06 probably because the classes arent the same but they are named the same xD
Strength should be called power again. I'm just saying
Someone needs a thesaurus.
Mekkah says this guide is bad and he doesn't reccomend. But the guide says Paladins are the best class. So, does that mean Paladins aren't the best?
I think they meant poor speed for shamans
I really hate how the guide is in alphabetical order. Even the manual for Sacred Stones shows the classes in promotion order
You mean you don't recruit characters in alphabetical order? It would explain Amelia > Vanessa...
conventional weapons. Gleipnir. Wha?????
because knoll is not a Powerful melee unit
Quick guide use paladins and flyers and a powerful seth
hmm hey @Mekkkah . how about making a counter guide?
like.. your version of the guide? would be nice owo