Ib REMAKE / All Endings - Painting Women Don't Like You They're Chasing You [ 2 ]
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- The finale of Ib Remake, video has all endings and the secret area of the game. Join us as we once again experience those "endings" involving a certain blonde girl.
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Welcome to the I Hope You're Ready To Watch Almost 3 Hours of Ib Club, how I Hope You're Ready To Watch Almost 3 Hours of Ib are ya? ( Series part 1 th-cam.com/video/3ks5HvFncDI/w-d-xo.html )
Day 56 of asking Manly to play A Cold Love Story through TH-cam comments
Im ready to watch even if how long it is
Ready as I'll ever be >:)
i commented before manly lets go
Oh so ready! I’m hyped 🔥 🔥 🔥
Mary: "What do you want to be when you grow up, Ib?"
Manly: (deadpan) "Alive."
That's the voice of years of horror game experience.
what years of horror games do to a mf
Frfr
Can someone tag the time I wanna hear this again
@@davemardrov777 2:29:30
@@TheInnerEvil thank you XD
1:20:45 Actually, you aren't locked into a bad ending route if you fail the doll room. There's something called the "Doom counter", and failing the doll room adds +2 points. You need 3 or more for things to go sour in the toy box, so you are safe if you don't add to the doom counter before or after the doll room.
Now, recording all Doom Counter events would be an extremely interesting video on its own.
even if this game gets a remake in 5 years - again, i would still buy it a 100 times, its a timeless classic, and my first ever horror RPG maker game
God, I love Forgotten Portrait. It's so fucking well-written! Nothing quite matches how _raw_ Garry's last words are. This remake absolutely kills it in all respects. Thank you so much for this, kouri.
Seeing you play this game made me remember why I love Horror. I watch your videos because of the way you handle horror. You don't freak out as badly as the others, and it's soothing. When I saw that you were playing this game, I freaked out. I was like... six when the original came out? I remember watching people play it on my Grandpa's Ipad. The OG introduced me to Horror, and it made me the person I am today. You playing the remake felt like you were a tour guide, guiding me through my childhood memories, so thank you, ManlyBadassHero. Keep being you, man.
I just wish there was an ending where all three of them escape.
I don't think Mary had ill intentions, as in one ending, she even stayed out of her own free will.
Mary can be cute when she isn’t trying to kill you.
Thanks again Manly for this amazing playthrough!!
Many comments: Mary is horrible for sacrificing Garry to get out.
Me: I dunno man, I blame the painting world and maybe Guertena for imposing that cruel condition in the first place onto a child that doesn't know better since she isn't human... Granted, it doesn't excuse her.
They made Garry so likeable I swear, even as a bit ragged older men. Back then and now.
And Mary just so unlikable even if she's designed to be a cute innocent girl, especially considering how quickly she's willing to harm Garry to get out then proceed to try and ruin any piece of his existence.
Garry is still the best character, he's such a wholesome soul. Love all the flavor text they gave him.
you've been *G A R R Y E D*
Yeah he's my favorite character, such a big brother to Ib lol.
also hello fellow Lilium!
@@lilium9361 Hello! Same hat lol
Gary's just so likable man. He's not strong or smart and he's easily frightened but it's clear that he's trying his hardest, and when the chips are down he'll do anything to keep Ib safe.
I can agree, Garry is literally my favorite character. He does what he can to protect and Guide.
your profile pic is from ancient game Snatcher.
it's been bugging me
Whaddya mean he’s not brave? Brave is to keep moving forward even when you’re afraid. I’d say he’s pretty brave
@@jemo7520 Yeah good point actually, better way to put it would be he's easily frightened.
Even in the original game, I always liked Garry and found him an enjoyable character.
The way he does his best, despite his fears and worries, but doesn't hide it behind a strong facade... It's rare to see that in a character. He does what he can to keep Ib safe in such a weird world that neither of them expected to find themselves in.
He fell into the role of a guardian so quick, and he fills that role so well. Plus I like how he isn't offended when Ib asks him why he "talks like a lady" and is just outright honest with her about why he acts and behaves and speaks the way he does.
tl;dr I agree with you that Garry is a great and likeable character.
I would consider Mary's fear of the dark from the fact paintings get covered with sheets and mary says she hates not being able to see
Ohhh! A good theory
Existential crisis is scary
what happen if a living painting is broken? Afterlife? Just a dark void and you cant move, see, or do anything until your own memory slowly fades away? Or just being deleted from existence?
The answer migth be on the A painting's demise ending
Didn’t think about that, my mind jumped straight to her bad ending, where she wanders the museum while everything gets darker and darker…
@@shinda8068 that might be it too, it could be that
@@mayufujiwara112 Just wanted to say I love your pfp :D
There's something so... brutal, I think, about Mary eating the candy from Garry in the Together, Forever ending. That was the one proof that Garry wasn't a painting in the world as far as we see as the player, and Mary just... ate it. Just like she essentially ate his life to get out.
I always find that ending so infuriating. It's insult to injury.
I read a theory about that ending, but essentially, Mary ate the candy so that Ib wouldn't have any inkling of connection or even have the chance to remember Gary so she ate the candy before Ib can think even further about why she had that candy in the first place when she didn't in the beginning of the game. It still leaves a bitter feeling in the ending.
@@Anticaat Same with the lighter btw. I find it a nice touch how, alongside Ib lacking shine in her eyes, Mary's shadow has crayon-like texture.
@@Anticaat Pretty sure that theory is wrong as
1: I do not think Mary knew Gary gave her the candy
2: Mary already got what she wanted and it could not be undone.
@@phantom-ri2tg considering Mary could communicate with the entities in the Guertena world she prob knew about the candy
Wouldn’t the “Forgotten Portrait” ending imply that at least some of the imaginary people Guertena painted were, in fact, real people trapped inside his artworks and forgotten?
Yeah... Who knows just how many people got stuck in the Fabricated World before Ib and Garry... and became portraits themselves.
There has to have been previous victims of the Fabricated World. After all, there's that book in the Red Area that explains Ladies can't go through doors. Doesn't have an author listed, though. Yet it has a title...
You know... they said Guertena didn't leave any self-portraits. And yet, there one is in the Abyss. And through that painting is an ominous bed titled "Final Stage"...
Are you going to bet that all of the moving arts are former people?
@@InnocentC0 They said "some" and I don't think that's the case, otherwise Guertena would hardly have made any art himself.
@@InnocentC0 yeah, maybe the first ones starved to death in the fabricated world, became vengeful ghost and started to kill people.
It's kind of funny that Garry pretty much gives Mary her own cover story when she runs into them. I don't think she even has to lie, Garry just tells her everything she needs to pretend to be lol.
What's more is that she says "I really wanted to get out", both right with the art gallery and her painting!
I mean she’s technically not lying, when she says she’s looking for other people she means a person to replace in the real world, and she also wants to leave the painting as well
Mary literally just said “Ah!” and Garry just fills in the blanks with his assumptions 😂
@@florencezairowanvalenciano It was pretty suspicious that she was looking for other people rather than an exit.
@@RobertMcBride-is-cool That is only mildly suspicious. Reaching an exit is easier with other people.
The Forgotten Portrait ending really leaves me devastated. When i first got it, the moment Garry is dying after he gave the blue rose to Mary, i thought maybe we can save Garry later because of the status "Garry is sleeping...", like oh he just sleeping maybe we can go back later after we finish this. And then when i think about it as a 9yo Ib's perspective (or any children of that age in general), she can't tell the state of a person whether they're sleeping or dying. It just so sad....after all he did for us....
Hes dead
He did it for the devs
[Mabel Pines voice] "...He's resting (;･ヮ･)"
Yep. Ib doesn't know to check for a pulse. Garry was probably long gone by that point, but Ib didn't know. She's too innocent
I'm not crying I swear... 😭😭😭😭
The additional dialogues for Garry are a treat. A couple of nitpicks from me are: I like the old UI more with the rose image and darker inventory color. This remake is still great though.
Several puzzles are tweaked or changed completely, and I think the chase sequence in the big grey room is changed too. The zoom function is weirdly great.
I honestly thought there would be at least a new ending, but I guess it's unnecessary.
The Grey Area chase sequence is _entirely_ different, and I really like the change.
I approve about the old UI, I regret it. But all other things are better for me.
Same here, I prefer the old UI more. I like everything else though! The chase scene in the grey area is finally less frustrating to get through! I remember being too mad to get scared cos I kept dying in that section lol.
@@voidnoidoid Remember when there was a different maze with all those mannequin bodies roaming around, and you needed to get something in like the far top left corner? And how if you were unlucky you'd just get trapped between two of them? I'm SO glad that one's gone too.
@@kyuuchat oh yeah, I remember that one! I didn't even notice that was gone until you mentioned it.
I love that detail in the ending "Together forever" in Mary's shadow. It's even made with a paint brush.
Ooohh! Goof catch! I played this game many times before but I never noticed.
timestamp at 1:36:10 btw! so interesting, i never knew that!
Woah Nice catch! I've just noticed that!
Funfax: as I recently found out, in Japan's flower language hanakotoba, Yellow Roses indicate *jealousy*. In the Victorian one they're friendship... both readings work for Mary, interestingly.
Huh, the painting that separates Garry from the girls right after Mary appears is even called 'Flowers of Jealousy'
Mary's ending where she becomes permanently trapped in a pitch-black gallery forever is really haunting to me, especially with her fear of the dark. She just seems so innately desperate not to be alone.
Deserved honestly, no one gets to hurt best boi garry and not pay the consequences.
So desperate in fact that she even calls out for Garry! She really was desperate!
I think that's one of the saddest endings. None of them are able to escape, and all of them are trapped. Ib and Garry were trapped in the Gallery and died there, and Mary was forever trapped in the darkness. At least in the other endings, one or two were able to get out.
Honestly I really wanted more lore of who Guertena is and how does he make paintings that come to life from this remake, but maybe it would be decent to leave that up for interpretation, whether he's a god of an art museum or a wizard
Anyway, love this remake, expecting to see more old/nostalgic rpg games to get a remake in the future like Pocket Mirror (which is so so beautiful from the looks of it) and some others that I haven't heard of yet I'll be excited because I like rpg games
Interestingly, there's a diary that's present in the original in the Purple Area's optional rope maze that's mysteriously absent from the remake. It reads:
"It's said that spirits dwell in objects into which people put their feelings. I've always thought that, if that's true, then the same must be true of artwork. So today, I will immerse myself in work, so as to impart my own spirit into my creations."
You even get a Garry bond point for checking it out.
I think there is contiuation of Pocket Mirror, or something like that. The last time, I see it was years ago. I don't know how development goes.
@@InnocentC0 They are releasing the remake before the sequel
What's pocket mirror?
@@chee.rah.monurB It's another RPG horror game, a very good one :D
I love how Garry just sees Ib reading an adult novel and is just panics. He seems like a great guy.
Garry was absolutely a major crush of mine when the game first released and this remake isn't helping. I know these kind of RPG maker style games have fallen out of style but I absolutely love them, something about each room just being a blatant puzzle and a focus on atmosphere rather than a solid story really scratches an itch, you know?
glad I wasn't the only one had a crush on Garry back then 😅
Two types of people: Those who had a huge crush on Garry and the liars
i agree with you so much, the charm of this game really lies in every little detail and puzzle! and yeah garry was (still is) like one of my first crushes lol i wonder if that influenced me in some way
@@sashawolfson3602 saaame 😂
The true nostalgia is still having a crush on Garry. It's the gentleness :'(
He does seem rather younger (cuter?) With the new artstyle tho. I kinda prefer the old one 🤔
Okay wow so uh, that blue painting monster that attacks Garry is... so much more terrifying now. Thanks for the nightmares kouri
Honestly even the bunny is more intimidating now, the way it stares straight at you
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@@Nobynoby2763 39:44 and 1:21:07
it used to horrify me so much and now it's worse xD
I will say that this remake is pretty well done, while there is the charm of the original artstyle this artstyle also brings in its own special type of endearing personality that really brings out what Ib was originally lacking.
In terms of gameplay I still see a lot of similarities between the original and the remake and I am happy they didn't change the game itself too much or stray from the original concept as that can easily happen when creators try to make things more simple for a modern audience.
i agree, they did really well on this. even though i didn't grow up on ib, i played the original and it was beautiful
Manly really said “look at your clothes and hair. You have no friends.” To poor ol’ Gary. He didn’t deserve that. Lmao
Garry reminds me of Seto Kaiba
On the topic of it being implied that other people have entered the fabricated world, it is entirely possible that every portrait of a person that is made by Guertena is someone who was trapped in the fabricated world- whether they escaped or not. Mary refers to Guertena as her father, and it is entirely possible that she is actually Guertena's daughter- she just got trapped in the painting world and failed to escape (thus why she acts like she's always been a portrait, in the same vein as how Gary acts when he gets trapped in the doll room).
The only person that may have escaped would be the juggler, since in one of the books it is explicitly said that he is a real person (and people who are lost in the art world don't seem to exist in the real world anymore).
The Blue Dolls are explicitly made by Mary. She says she likes blue and then uses the dolls as an example.
@@snooki.2024 aggressive much?
I interpreted the whole thing as Guertena pouring his energy and soul into his paintings, which came to life thanks to that. Like bendy and the ink machine, only without the use of foreign people.
So since he made artwork that is supposed to be it's own independent being, they feel like actual beings and want to be with other beings - this is mostly the case for Mary, who was one of the last paintings Guertena made and is therefore also more powerful because Guertena gave her even more of his energy. Which is probably why she's able to create the dolls and the sketchbook and such.
Although I don't dislike the idea of "other people were turned into artwork", I don't think it's the case in this game. The book that helps Mary with what she needs to switch is talking about trading existences - so a living things against another
Garry goes insane though. I don't think he believes he's a creation of Guertena. But I suppose Mary never outright admits that she isn't real, so it's possible. I just don't feel like she'd refer to the other women as her "sisters" if she was a real person at one point. But as for the juggler, the book says he painted a real person, so I don't believe the juggler is someone who became trapped, otherwise his portrait wouldn't exist.
@@snooki.2024 Clearly you do
The Final Stage Bed ending variation was always so chilling to me. The implication of the name never occurred to me until you explicitly mentioned it, and it just makes it a lot more... well, scary? I imagine you would remember the best moments of your life, and hers is her ninth birthday. I also liked how if you woke up partway through, the rose would be missing petals.
Chilling shit, man
"The smell is familiar somehow"
"It smells like ash."
Makes me wonder What her home life is like, although her parents Seem to Care for her a lot
@@the24thcolossusjustchillin39 ju
It's also my favorite variation for that same reason.
Mary be like father when can i leave to be on my own i've got a whole world to see
*The whooOle wOuRlDusSyyyyYyyyYyy~* 💖👄😩💅
PFTT- THAT'S FOUL PLAY NAWHH
I still remember that doll room freaking me out. I'm not at all scared of dolls, it's just so intense and you know exactly what Garry's in for should you fail. The fact that it's still tense speaks to Ib's strengths. The range of the endings still impresses me, so many memorable bad endings for our trio. Of course, Promise of Reunion is the best by a huge margin but there is a part of me that likes Together, Forever too; I'm reluctant to call Mary a true villain, she does just want a chance to be alive, to experience the world. It's not worth losing Garry, but I do appreciate there being at least one ending where Mary gets out.
This remake was a true treat for me. I agree with Manly's critiques, but I do think the changed puzzles and improved art makes up for it. Beyond that, it's just nice to be able to thank the developer for making such a wonderful game by actually being able to pay for it. It's a big part of why I've loved seeing this resurgence of older RPG Maker games getting remakes and coming to Steam, and Ib deserves it so much.
Yesss the doll room! As you said, you know exactly what Garry is in for should you fail. I also love that they give you the option to fix things if you fail, but meet the requirements to get Garry sane enough to STOP TALKIN TO MARY'S BLUE DOLLS- like, they make sure your work was not all for nothing if you don't give up on him :)
Also I love the differences between how an innocent mind versus an adult one versus a painting views that room
Ib sees it as bunnies, Garry as reality and Mary as friends, because why wouldn't her creations be friends?
That's also why Welcome to the world of Guertena is one of my favorite endings and why it's such a shame we never get to see the painting that gets made in that ending. (Cuz Ib AND Garry AND Mary are in the world of Guertena)
the buildup to lead to that one room is so good
I did enjoy having the game being more difficult in the original, and I badly miss the roses being the life meter rather than a rose design. Having the petal wilt off rather than thorns(?) disappearing felt more impactful.
YEESSSS I was lookin for this comment! I loved the roses way more- but I feel like they tried to make it less scary by changin it or somethin- cuz the menu and inventory also changed to a brighter style as opposed to the original :/ oh well, it is what it is and both versions are amazin in their own right :)
@@wolfydawolf5680 I mean, you could always land on a middle ground, using the new design and still removing the petals :P
Garry rlly said “I’ve only had ib for a day, but if anything happened to her I’d kill everything and then myself”
Manly is Garry's canon VA. Change my mind
Tbh i thought IB game and it's fandom died a long time ago-
But now, seeing the remake, and watching the second part of it...
Man, nostalgia. I love it
in japanese, garry uses a lot of feminine speech patterns and refers to himself with feminine pronouns, so honestly i was expecting someone more soft spoken to be garry's canon VA. but agreed with the nostalgia part
@@hanarinakit6400 same he doesn't seem like the guy to have a deeper voice
@@hanarinakit6400 He never refers to himself with feminine pronouns. He just speaks very eloquently, which can be seen as feminine. I’ve been told the same things about me, and I have quite an average male voice. Maybe a bit softer. So on the other hand, you are right, him being more soft spoken does fit. But I wouldn’t be mad if he did have a smoother voice.
@@JinxeBlaq I remember in the original Japanese that Garry refers to himself with アタシ (atashi)、 which is a feminine pronoun compared to like 私/わたし(watashi). He also has おねえ(onee) speech patterns, but i don't know enough japanese to confirm that. Garry is refered to as male, but it is strictly his personal choice of pronouns that is feminine. The translator tries her best to include this subtlety in English but the disparity between languages is definitely obvious, so I think that's why she made him eloquent. Though I agree that voice don't need to describe someone's personality, because their speech pattern does the job for them
I don't really remember Ib being this short. The last time I watched it years ago it was like 5-6hrs of gameplay lol
I don't really remember why I kept waiting to play this game and I never watched a playthrough, maybe I was waiting to play it with a friend but we never got the chance?
Anyway how people talked about it made it seem like it was really long and specially a lot of reading. So I really got confused last episode when Manly said to wait for this episode for all the endings, I really thought "but the game is just starting".
I thought the same. Maybe it's because youtubers used to upload shorter daily episodes instead so you'd be watching a playthrough over the course of a week or so, and the experience felt longer than it actually was. Still an amazing game!
@@Limontarte Never watched this game but I watched other games being played by PewDiePie, Markiplier or the Game Grumps and sure a game feels a lot longer when the gameplay its separated in 15 minute segments.
Makes sense why no one would dare to play Ace Attorney, Danganronpa or Higurashi without turning into an specific kind of channel which only plays that game. But then I've seen let's players finish them "quicker" by making the parts two or 3 hours. Still the same runtime but their video schedule doesn't really have to turn into that game for long.
You should see streams of the game.
I thought you meant the character ib, like as in height LMAO
Just realized something. One of the things that they keep repeating is that Guertena doesn't use real models of people all that often.
In Forgotten Portrait, Gary becomes a portrait and nobody remembers that he ever existed. He's no longer a real person.
Makes you wonder what really happened with those models.
The lady in red dancing with death, in the secret ending, too. Kinda makes you wonder if Guertena wasn't pulling some Adachi shit.
Also could make Mary's story a whole lot sadder, depending.
@@Dogman_35 I never even considered the implications of Tryst After Death! That's a very concerning thought.
@@Dogman_35 I interpreted it personally as Guertena trying to "immortalize" his dying daughter by painting her, and she ended up becoming literally immortal inside the painting.
@@cooldakota9695 I don't think she is very immortal given she did die. Though she is immortal as long as her painting is unharmed.
Oh hell.
Garry: My name is Gary and this girl's name is Ib
Mary: Nice to meet you Ib
Manly: Did I ever tell you my name?
No but Garry did XD
1:36:16 i like how in the ending with Mary, she still carries the shadow around in the style of crayons. Pretty neat detail.
This is very special game where main characters don't have backstories to do with the story itself. No shady story, It is really about someone just get lost into another world.
So... Did they really remove the dialogue about macaroons when Ib and Garry are talking in the sunshine? I remember it being impactful, with Garry promising to take Ib to the cafe to eat them IF they get out, then correcting himself that of course they were going to get out. People drew a lot of fanarts depicting that scene. Now we get some silly talk about a giant cake... I don't see a point of changing that.
Oh yeah, now that you mention it i remember fanarts about it all over but i forgot it was actually in the game :0
its still there! its just bad rng for manly here and he didn't get it
It’s in Nemure in Peace’s playthrough, she really hunted for all the dialogue. I think it’s in the third stream.
Yes the macarons dialogue is still in the game
Be real with me, Manly, you noticed halfway through the recording that this was going to be a 3 parter at least but you had already announced it would be a 2 parter last video so you just decided to drop all the rest of the game in this second part to not look a liar
I can approve of that
No, it was because there's no good way to split the video that doesn't just make part 3 an ending montage with no real gameplay.
Understandable, have a very manly and badass day
Chad Manly making a 2 1/2 long video to make it more enjoyable for his viewers
16:00 one change from the original is that Gary now has 7 hits instead of 10 before he dies. They nerfed that Chad's hp because he was too good.
In the original it was because he needs to reach the vase and disable the poison in 31:25 room, wasn't it? Every step costs a goddamn petal back then.
Also there was a theory about how the number of petals is connected to their ages back then, so would that mean Kouri decided to make Garry younger than original?
Or maybe so it could match with Mary's count with the Loves Me-Loves Me Not, seven results in Loves Me, while ten results in Loves Me Not. Mary's dialogue shows it has more than ten petals, though.
When I played the original Ib for the first time in middle school, I remember feeling so sad that there wasn't an ending where all three of them get out alive. After seeing the remake, that feeling still lingers, but now that I'm older I think I understand why that ending doesn't exist. Still makes me sad though, I really feel for Mary. Despite her murderous tendencies, all she really wanted was friends and a life for herself.
Same here!
same
I think the most formative part of Ib is how many people absolutely fell for Gary. Weak little twink-man that he is.
Anyhow, always a delight to watch a Manly video, esp a fan of revisiting classics like this one ^w^ !!
Well that’s one way to describe him. People seem to like how protective and kind he is, and acknowledged the side of him that you mentioned. I understand them though, he is an overall pretty likable character.
what's more fun is that some irl Weak little twink-man people prefers to save Mary anyway
People love weak frail pathetic men (im people)
He's a twink who's trying his best lol
1:55:10 Always loved this detail of Mary's unique ending. She isn't maliciously evil unlike other antagonists in similar games, it's pure "Either me or one of them" situation that Manly talks about at 1:06:35 and at the end, which sucks hard for her as she noticeably contemplates her options this entire game, and it's not like she can just ask "Soooo, like... for me to escape one of you must sacrifice. Please?" and hope for understanding. She might be ready to slice and dice to achieve her goal and doesn't grasp that "people die when they are killed" like in another unique ending, but when alone like at 53:40 or scared, her real side and opinions on both Ib and Gary show
But she is evil and understands what killing is. The moment She feels threatened when someone enters her painting room she brandishes a knife with murder on her mind. Or in the ending where everyone is trapped she kills both of them at least indirectly. She also stabs a mannequin head, which is living mind you in frustration. Mary has malice for sure it's just reason for actions is a bit sad.
@@thatsmokerwasme that's the thing, she doesn't know half of what she's doing (aside stabby stabby part, that one she knows well. Wonder if she read it in a book about cake and coin): she is not aware that her art friends killed her human friends in trapped ending since she is sincere about abandoning escape into irl and attempting friendship instead, because one of hidden conditions for getting it is super high bonding with Mary. I doubt she understood what she did to the mannequin head as well, since her True Gallery dialogues imply that she accidentally created the Mistake monster but thinks she helped it with hairs? She is clueless about a lot of things because all of her knowledge comes from books and what's present in gallery, and it isn't much. Definitely not enough to make her "a cunning mastermind merely pretending to be clueless kid"
@@hawk6545 She's naive, rash, manipulative, selfish, and volatile. She does know her human friends were killed. In her ending she takes and gleefully picks apart Gary's rose knowing its connected to his life. She's crazy, but she isn't evil incarnate. If all 3 of them could escape I'm sure she would be happy to go with both of them no problem. She's not a good person, but her situation is also pitiful, being woefully aware every thing is fabricated and being unable to escape it. She kinda like Monika from DDLC. Not entirely evil, but willing to do terrible things to get out of that situation. That ending where everyone's stuck though is pretty bad though.
@@thatsmokerwasme don't forget being jealous of Gary and Ib friendship. And also don't forget that Painting Demise ending exists at all, with her not sacrificing neither of heroes at their lowest despite perfect opportunity, and paying for it. And both of her unique trapped endings pretty bad for everyone, either all three gonna die or two definitely die and third unstable person achieves neither friends nor freedom
@@thatsmokerwasme she is....literally a child? also not a human? she's a painting of a child who had no form of instruction aside from other paintings. Why would she understand death? In the ending where they're trapped and Garry is clearly dead, Mary is still speaking to him as if he's alive and conscious
Like again I've got the reiterate, what would a painting, especially a painting of a child, know of death and killing? I don't even think she explicitely knows about the rose thing, she's just mimicking what she's seen the other paintings do it doesn't necessarily mean she knows what that does
9:41 I love this piece of information, because initially you think Gary is going insane for having a different reaction to the room but considering many things the one hallucinating is Ib.
We can talk about the example present in the doll room which look like bunnies because the bedroom of Ib is full of them, or how we see someone before returning into real world because she scared of being alone, you can see her worry when she sees a painting of her parents (idk if it is real tho but from the reaction of gary, I guess it is?)
I liked the old way of showing damage. The rose wilting and dying was very pretty. That said I really like the new visuals for the most part. This game is so nostalgic. I really need to download and play this new release, but I'll settle for just watching manly play for now.
3:27
Garry: I-Ib! Are you there?
Manly's manly thicc voice: *I'm here*
XD
2:06:41
"An empty frame, there isn't even a title."
"Vaguely in the distance you can kinda hear some words"
.............
*"Like my soul"*
THIS IS SO FUNNY
When I fist watched the Gary trading his rose and "sleeping" years ago I honestly cried. Gary is a great character
I miss the old sinisterness if RPGmaker horror, like the ending Welcome to the world of Guertena (kinda a mouthful) But the endings where
the horror isn't in brutally killing the person infront of the player but seeing the aftermath like seeing both Ib and Garry's bodies look shriveled
up, like Ib's body laying there definitely looks smaller. And in games like Mad father where there's an ending where your dad catches you and
turns you into a doll. It's not about the gore it's about the implication or the fear of not knowing you're stuck in a realm unable to escape until you die.
I haven't seen a RPGM game that has captured me as of now but man are these endings creepy and unsetting, and I don't need to be jumpscared into
being on edge; it's just got good music and design.
The fairly recent RPG Maker game that catch those aspect you said I known is Pocket Mirror back in 2018 I think. In my opinion it's currently the epitome of peak RPG Maker game, both from the visuals, music and the story itself. Manly let's play on Pocket Mirror hooked me instantly back then.
With the remake of IB, Mad Father, Witch House, and possibly more RPG Maker horror games I hope we could get new good title like Pocket Mirror too soon.
@@radesghani8624 Yes finally someone who appreciates Pocket Mirror! As much as I love Ib and Mad Father, Pocket Mirror was my favourite by far. It just had such great music, interesting characters and stories and beautiful art. It's actually getting a remake as well, plus a sort of prequel with the mother Elise as the main character called "Little Goody Two Shoes"!
Perfect timing to watch while eating!
39:00 Gary being locked in the doll room will never be not scary. Love how Manly managed to taunt before exiting the room, very manly xD
painting's demise ending sent chills down my spine and made my heart shrivel, i felt so bad for mary.
there's something so horrific yet sad about the screen slowly turning black as mary becomes more desperate and then ends up all alone in the dark, crying out for her friends. like idk she very much just felt like a real child at that point :(
I think she was a "real" child 😪
In a way she is a “real child”. She is a painting, but she wants to explore the outside world…. I wonder if the isolation drove her mad…
1:36:15
That’s such a cool detail ib’s shadow is normal and mary’s shadow is crayon like!
Idk why i kinda loved that detail lol
The Forgotten Portrait ending is really depressing, but it is my favorite. The feeling of looking at a painting and feel really sad for no reason just seems familiar to me
Mary is a rather tragic figure isn't she? I get why most people hate her but I only feel pity.
Yeah I understand, she just wants to see the world, but she's just stuck in the painting world
Hmm if you think about it, Mary going out to the real world is kinda dangerous. What if she gets upset bc something isn't going her way? You see how fast she resorts to violence.
So not only does Gary get left behind in that ending but now there's a potential threat to Ib and her parents.
I was thinking the same. She already stabbed (unprovoked) a head statue in her world which is a living entity of her same kind so there's the chance she could harm someone irl.
It _would_ be pretty problematic to have a kid that doesn't understand the concept of "people die when they are killed"...
@@zekeram129 DON'T BRING EMIYA SHIROU HERE.
@@luckyalvin3947 Who?
@@zekeram129 ah, sorry. It seems that you didn't know that yet.
Gary is the best. What a character development. Easily my favorite. The way he treats and helps Ib like a big brother really tugs at my heartstrings. (I have an older brother)
I love that Mary has a new OST for herself when we hear the background music on her first introduction
She didn't have that in the original?
@@nuibaba280 yes,she has another OST for her,which was also noticable.Cause each character have diff Costs.Ib and Garry's didn't change.
I was hoping the remake would give an additional path for all 3 to get their happy ending, because Mary's whole situation is quite sad. Like you said, she never had malice to the characters until she found her ticket out of the painting world. Plus little touches like her being afraid of the dark since her painting probably had to be shrouded made her more sympathetic.
I would have at least liked to not have to burn down her painting. She could have still lived on then. Also theoretically couldn't they just visit her after? Unless there is some rule against people reentering.
It took me forever to realize that Gary’s design represents a flower stem lol.
2:31
Gary: ”After that mannequin incident earlier, I don't much want to look into more mirrors.”
🙄Not Gary posing like a model in front of the mirror 🪞 every chance he gets. I bet Gary is saying to himself.
Gary: 🤔🪞”Hmm. 🎶Am I too sexy for my clothes?🎶”
Ib: “Gary…Shut up.”
🤣💀
That would be top tier older brother and younger sister moment for these two.🙏😂
Man this is a blast to the past, I remember watching a lot of old horror youtubers back in the day making playthroughs of this.
Mark,Pewds,Minx,Cry... some others I'm forgetting.
I really enjoyed this throwback. Loved how the doll room appeared as bunny room to Ib because she likes bunnies.
I agree with Manly that they shouldn't have reduced the horror aspect of the game though.
I also wish they put an ending where insted of switching with Gary, Mary switches with Ib instead. Maybe Gary escaped and Mary follow him and then assumes the role of his daughter or maybe assumes the role of Ib and becomes her parents' child. And then you see an Ib painting in the gallery.
Such endings actually was made by fans for original game, named Sacrifice. Pure noncanon, but quite well done gut punch into feelings
I think Mary really wanted a friend her age to play with, so an ending like that wouldn't make sense to me.
Such ending was denied by the author
I can see it happening, but not by Mary, nor Garry's choice. If it were to happen, Garry'd go first, then Mary would try to convince Ib to go (cuz she has no interest in leaving with Garry) and then Ib would just be like "...", shove Mary through and then the painting would disappear. Why? Cuz Mary wishes the best for Ib. And if the best doesn't include herself, then it doesn't. But that's only if Garry isn't a potential exit anymore.
just had a thought: after garry finds out mary isn’t real, how come he doesn’t think so about ib as well? i mean he found her in the artist world same as mary. and ib might have only helped him in order to switch with him to get to the real world. i think that would be a fun ending too, where garry gets out on his own after getting rid of both ib and mary lol
Because he's seen and probably touched her rose. That and unlike Mary, he's seen the paintings attack her.
@@Teknanam Not even probably, he put her rose in the vase after she collapsed
I mean she did save his life with the rose at the start, kind of owes it to her
imagine if ib(us) was really an escaped painting and got so used to life in the real world that she forgot? but then again, she just turned 9..
Actually I wonder the same, specially with the scene when they see her parents in a painting
55:45 Manly really just said “don’t you lecture me with your $30 haircut.”
Tbh I really enjoyed that they didn't change a lot of the plot or anything,just updated the aesthetics and added some little extra things along the way
Tbh it seems to be the time of rpgmaker remakes which I'm ecstatic about, Pocket Mirror is going to be getting onesoon, but I'm most excited for Forest of Drizzling Rain cause it's always been my favourite.
I would have liked some more info plot wise and some more endings, but I still bought the new one because I've never played it before. Had a great time with it.
@@CelesticCF tbh i think the level of endings its good, its a decent amount, i would say maybe some personalised bad end cgs at least would be good for certain deaths
but would have loved some more about mary in particular, extra scenes about her and the fabricated worlds creation would have been really cool
"tbh" I enjoyed this comment 😋
@@pinkpugginz i do use it a lot tbh :P
I like the little touch that Mary’s shadow shapes like crayon in ending ‘Together, forever’
It's so nostalgic seeing Ib again.
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out in the comments yet, but in the Forgotten Portrait ending, Garry replaces the Hanged man painting. In tarot cards, the Hanged man represents self sacrifice.
It made the ending hurt just a bit more...
I like that the Mary in the real world ending isn't actually titled as a bad ending, but just a regular Ending, since it's not "Bad" or "Good"
I consider it the worst ending, personally, because she has to murder Garry to leave. Garry dies and his murderer gets everything she wanted. On top of that, Ib and her family are brainwashed and will no doubt be catering to Mary (or murdered by her) in the future. Seems like a horrible ending to me.
People can say what they want about Mary not knowing about life and death, not being taught properly, being traumatized by loneliness and just wanting to leave, but it all sounds like baloney to me. She's a painting, if she's lonely with her own kind, humans won't be better. She also had murder on her mind when she wielded that palette knife, so she knows about death. Her killing Garry gleefully and knowingly is why I really can't understand why people think she's too naïve to understand what she's doing. Heck, even if she didn't know fully about death, she knew she was stealing Garry's place and leaving him behind in the world she wanted to escape so badly.
We even saw her braining a mannequin head (which we know is alive) who never harmed her, there's definite signs she's 100% a psychopath that everyone ignores because she has moments of normalcy and looks 8, and I really don't get it. Maybe I'm just interpreting things more severely?
Aren’t there some other endings like that like “Welcome to the World of Guertena” (dunno if i spelt that right)
@@jemo7520 I guess somewhere in the back of my head, I don't consider that an ending, since you are only 3/4 through the game when you get it? But, you're right. Both Ib and Garry losing their minds and then dying together is a bit worse than just Garry dying to save Ib. Though, like I said earlier, in the ending where Mary goes with her, I question how 'saved' Ib is.
@@ichigoeater Cool dood. We just like that its just an ending instead of bad end.
@@ichigoeater Nah, you're right. I do think there IS a level of innocence to Mary (genuinely don't believe she's pretending to be naïve, but her behaviour is so erratic that she's just as dangerous as the other creations), but ultimately she still knows what she did was wrong and I don't feel sorry for her because of it. Plus, the game over music plays in that ending for a reason lmao. It's akin to the ending of The Witch's House for me. However, like Ellen, I'm sure her new life won't be what she's hoping for. Mary will most likely lose it when she learns that life outside isn't just playing all day everyday. There's probably a lot that she wishes to do and see that Ib's parents won't just let her do whenever she wants (because it requires time and money IRL), and I wouldn't be surprised if she also has to go to school (because she's a child). Have fun with that Mary!
It's always a blast seeing old RPG horror games getting a revamp, I love the new puzzles, dialogue, and other additions. Also a great trip for memory lane. (Spoilers belowwww...and some theories :D )
There's something on my mind this entire time however. We already know it's insinuated that all the people that got trapped and then killed in the art world were kept as paintings, while being forgotten in the real world. (ex. We only see Gary's painting in the real world only if he dies - we know this because in the ending where Mary "escapes" by herself, Ib and Gary don't show up as paintings despite still being alive and trapped in the gallery world)
But what's been stumping me this entire time is the painting of Ib's parents.
They're real and remembered, so why is there a painting of them? The parents also act like they never met the artist, so they weren't real people who were painted... So what's going on there? Sure, it's possible it's just the world trying to trick Ib, but they usually don't create paintings out of nowhere, as it's insinuated that all the artwork was created by the main man himself. Also, when Gary died he officially became a painting and was used as a deception in one of the endings to convince Ib not to leave the gallery world - just like how Ib's mom did...
As I watched both videos, I tried to come up with theories along the way to see if there's any hints to explaining the parents, as well as other stuff. Some theories I tried connecting was:
Ib is the artist's granddaughter - the one explained in the juggler's description and seemed to be someone he held dearly. This theory seemed nice since Ib would see her favorite bunny plushies and the painting of her parents, along with the existence of Mary, who seems to be similar in age to Ib and could be made as homage to Ib existing. However, it's clear this isn't the theory to go as Ib's parents dialogue acts like they never met the artist and it may be impossible for Mary to have been made based on Ib if the artist is already dead.
Mary is the granddaughter - The next theory sprung to mind due to another comment saying it, but it's the one where Mary is the artist's daughter, or in my opinion, their granddaughter. I say granddaughter because of the juggler's description again. The reason why Mary calls the artist her dad however, is because she believes she is a painting after getting caught up and trapped in the gallery world. It's clear she is beloved by the artist at least, because not only does she have a grand frame around her portrait, she also has her own world section, a deep toy box, and multiple artworks and toys seemingly dedicated to what she likes - circuses and roses. (the clown painting, the juggler, and the multiple rose art pieces) Though it can be argued that Mary likes these things because she's seen them in the art world as a painting rather than her already liking these things as a human.
Ib's mom is a painting - now this one seems crazy but hold on with me pleaseeee. I say this because not only does Ib's mother greatly respects or even obsesses over the artist like Mary does - but just in a more mature way due to being an adult - (she doesn't call him dad afterall) but she also recalls her husband having a "nightmare" about the paintings when he saw them for the first time... She also seems very dismissive about it - even when Ib seemed scared about the paintings as well. (this is seen in the bonus room when you talk to her)
What I'm thinking is, Ib's father got transported into the gallery with his wife, however, while he escaped, his wife died to one of the artworks and Ib's mother escaped and replaced her in the real world. I mean, it also sort of explains the eerie resemblance the mother has to the picture of the ladies in the paintings and heck, even Mary - the wide eyes, odd clothing choices, and obsession with the artist. The father completely forgets he was in the world at all of course, but the nightmare he remembers is just like how Gary in one of the endings slightly remembers experiencing things, but can't quite place why until he brings out the handkerchief. Ib's father not really having a physical item to remind him of his real experience, drops it down to just a dream, while Ib's mother dismisses the gallery world entirely so her husband is none the wiser of who she really is. This doesn't explain exactly why Ib's father is also in the portrait, but at the same time, maybe it does... After all, she replaces someone in the real world - would it be possible the person/people that she's attached to via replacing the other will show up in her painting, depicting whose life she replaced? Like imagine that with the ending Mary had with Ib - she and Ib became sisters, so would her original painting show her paired with Ib? This is the best I can do to explain the scenario with the parents, but it does make sense with all the negative space in both Mary's and the parents' paintings.
All these are just random theories my mind juice came up with and could all be wrong easily, but it's still fun to throw out there imo. Theories are always fun to just think of and share, so hopefully some of ya enjoyed em :)
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Oh, random addition that I'm too lazy to add via edit, but I like to think the original wife was the blue haired lady from the very beginning of the game - aware of Ib's existence and calls her a thief after she takes her rose - Ib's resemblance to her mother is uncanny after all, plus it could have been how the woman lost her life - Ib's mother could have taken her rose and/or it's commentary of how the mother literally took her life away from her.
Her mother being a painting is a really interesting theory! I've heard of her being the woman the painting is based off before, but not that one! An interesting addition might be the blue and red paintings next to where Ib came down the stairs - they're the two prevalent colors of her mother and the blue-haired painting.
I won't lie, I got a tiny bit emotional after seeing that perfect ending again all these years later, an ending I've not forgotten for this last decade now, Ib has always managed to stick with me for so long, I always remembered this experience and from time to time I'd think back on it all, so kinda re-experiencing something from my childhood-teenage years, which is in of itself crazy to think about, has been pretty special, especially as how I've come to appreciate certain forms of stories over these years, this was in a sense beautiful, I'm glad I got to see all this one more time, and for how long I've been watching manly, and for how long I will continue to watch him, it's been a long and unforgettable journey so far.
I think the appearance of the room with the "Red Eyes" painting is based on the individual's perspective. Ib, being a little girl who loves bunnies, sees it as cute little bunny dolls and a painting of a bunny with red eyes. But Garry, as an adult who seems like he may have been through a lot, sees it as what it really is which is creepy dolls and a painting of a scary doll with blue eyes. And Mary, maybe because she's also a piece of Guertena's art, is also seeing it as the blue dolls since they're his works too.
That would likely also explain why there's a book in that room that's about illusions and one's mind twisting then breaking if put under pressure.
Edit: I made a few edits to this whole thing so if anyone is coming back to this comment and it looks different, it's because of some of the replies I read. Which, thank you to them for helping me straighten out this whole thing 😅🙏
1. Garry is a grown adult man, not a teenager
2. Mary does not see them as bunnies. She sees them how they really look, she just genuinely thinks they're cute.
@@kyuuchat 1. Sorry, I must have gotten the age mixed up, thank you for correcting me😅
2. True, true. It's really not easy to tell if Mary saw what Ib saw or if she saw something else🤔
@@ChoiShiki304 I think it implies that she does, saying that she really likes blue and all of them have blue skin, versus if she only saw bunnies only some of them would be blue. In that scenario she'd just say she likes bunnies
@@kyuuchat Yeah, I actually watched the rest of the video this morning and you're right, she did say that, thank you☺️ I've edited the comment to get the facts straight, so thank you for your help😊💙
I really liked this remake. While there were small things I preferred in the original (mainly the UI and darker atmosphere), this is still a wonderful revisit and such a beautiful nostalgia trip! Back in April, there was an interview with kouri, it's a nice read for anyone interested.
Regarding the whole Fabricated World, I think it's a combination of people being trapped in, becoming paintings or other pieces of art themselves, and partially Guertena's soul infused with his art.
Perhaps instead of being killed in the painting world, a lot of people simply forget the fact that they were there. It seems like not too many people even have the chance to remember the painting world.
"Mary was looking for us... Perhaps she feels bitter?"
Well her name _does_ mean 'bitter' (the name can also mean 'beloved' or 'rebellion', along with some other meanings).
The Doll Room will never be _not_ stressful
If I'm being entirely honest I kinda miss how dark the art style of the original remake was. I've noticed everything is a bit softer and lighter, but it is definitely improved in some ways, and I don't think it's really my place to criticize, just my personal preference. But it was such a fun remake to see, considering this is the first rpg maker game I personally played. Some fun new puzzles, despite apparently being simpler, I think it'd make it more accessible for new audiences trying to get into the scene
I like Mary so much,she isn't evil, but doesn't know better, just a broken, desperate, misunderstood, tragic and lonely child in scary terrifying world where she trapped for a long time.
She is still has a weapon and is ready to use it though.
@@DominikaHare I mean it's a sentient being trapped in a painting world away from human contact. I'mma be real here and say that if quarantine has taught me anything it's that a lot of people would be like Mary under her situation.
I dunno man, making Garry trade his rose to save a child to then tear it to pieces petal by petal knowing full well she's effectively giving him a slow and excruciating death seems pretty evil to me.
@@rockingpinaple as I said, she doesn't know what's good and bad, no moral compass, nobody taught her that. She's a child that can be guided and redeemed. That's not an excuse for killing Garry, but and explanation. She probably didn't know she was killing him, just wanted his rose.
@@vincikeeper1581 yeah, if she just killed him I could understand that, her position was miserable, anyone would want to get out. That doesn't change the fact that levels of vitriol and cruelty she displays exceeded what I think could be expected from a normal person even in those circumstances, in my eyes she is straight up malicious.
Language of flowers spoiler stuff below, do not look until you've finished!
So a neat thing about colored roses is they all have very specific meanings. Yellow roses originally meant jealousy and greed, but have more recently been associated with platonic love, friendship, and care. They were also originally called "sulfur roses" and were very hard to sell, as the first yellow roses had an unpleasant scent, and unappealing black spots. Breeding and hybridization has gotten rid of these traits today.
Red roses, of course, are very strongly associated with romantic love.
Blue roses are mysterious. They represent an unattainable love, intense lust, and mystery.
So only the yellow rose has a meaning tied to the story, but I found it neat! Mary goes from a sweet little friend to a very jealous antagonist, reversing the yellow rose's meaning progression. I guess blue could also be fitting with how many people thirst for Garry.
This is so nostalgic, I can't believe I watched Manly's original playthrough of Ib 9 years ago. The 2012-2013 RPG maker horror game phase was such a fun time for TH-cam let's plays. Ib will always be special to me.
Gawd, Garry's theme is so beautiful! I'm glad it didn't get changed.
This absolute uber-Chad deserves the best music ever! Also he only deserves the best endings. ^_^
I think they did make it a little easier, I remember the puzzles from the last episode being diffrent from the OG ones. They changed how the Liar's room worked, before they used cardinal directions and there was no label for the squares. The puzzle where you have to find all the numbers for the math equation was removed as well. Do you guys remeber the Milk puzzle with the super tiny number that everyone kept missing? 💀💀
milk puzzle pain
"Ib, ever heard about milk puzzles?"
Yes Garry, I HAVE! AND I HATE THEM.
This is so nostalgic and somehow new all in one go. They did a good job on this and I'm so happy Manly is playing this.
Together Forever ending image has mary’s shadow done in crayon! Love the details this game continues to surprise me with even after all these years :’)
It's almost 2 am
Perfect time to watch Garry being surrounded by dolls :D
Midwest gang
Just finished watching the first part and got lucky for this!
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2:29:32
"What do you wanna be when you grow up, Ib?"
"Alive."
made me crack up harder than it should've
I have 2 theories:
First is Ib's mother could be the "Woman in Red" which Guertena painted about
And the second one is Ib's dad had gone to the "Paint World", this one crossed my mind after seeing Ib's mother mentioning he got a nightmare that night after him seeing his first Guertena painting.
Even though there almost weren't any action I still liked the game. Thank you Manly for getting all of the endings so we won't have to 🥵
He he, maybe Ib's mother was the original "Woman in Red" painting who escaped the painting world, succeeding where Mary failed.
TRUE what if ib's dad went to the painting world and forgot (after all, there IS an ending where ib and garry forget about the painting world) and had a nightmare about the experience afterward, brushing it off as a regular nightmare because he doesn't remember that it actually happened :0
@@cunkjunk He and Ib's mom could've achieved their own "Together Forever" ending.
@@KeeperOfUntoldDreams damn, I wonder who was left in the painting world then
This can possibly explain why there is a painting of ib's parents, it's because they were in that world before
Is the toy box area easier? I think I remember there being the mannequin heads littered around to act like damage spots. Making the chase a tad bit harder because now you have to avoid the literal death spots while being chased.
That bad ending where ib, garry, and mary stay in guertana's world always confused me. The lady and blue and the lady just have a penchant for murder? Like Garry had his mind broken already and was willing to play with mary but he ends up dead anyway since the paintings got a hold of his rose along with Ib's?
The museum certainly looks more polished but the horror was lost.
Yes, think of the painting world as a Youkai village. While not all youkai eat humans on the spot the inherent nature of such a place is anti human and will eventually lead to a humans physical or spiritual demise.
I first discovered Ib watching Cry Plays years ago. Knowing now the horrifying things about him, I still feel like Ib is "tainted" for me. Right now, this is helping me rediscover my love for the game.
I’m in the exact same boat as you. It breaks my heart
Horrifying things about Cry?
Who is Cry and what did they do, if I may ask? I lowkey wanna google it but I also wanna hear it from a comment before a website that is good at drama-
@@wolfydawolf5680 Cry (Cryaotic), known for uhh. Well. Previous post
“Tryst After Death” Wow, that one sculpture seems impressive but also looks like it could freak people out!
I prefer so much this remake to the old version. I have the feeling that Mary isn't just a bad "person", she just desesperate to come to the real world. She hasn't learn what's good and what's bad so I can understand much better any of her decision.
I was hating her in the old version. I don't have any preference now between her happy ending and Garry's one. I just assum it's because the game was remake better, and I'm so glad of that.
By the way, even if I love Garry so so much, I do like others endings. Who think the same ?
Holy shit... They added the missing paintings to the True Guertena Exhibit!
So for those who have either forgotten or haven't played the original release, when the True Guertena Exhibit got added there were four paintings that never showed up. The "Fabricated World" (even *after* Garry straight up *says* its name), "White Ant" (which can *only* be observed, never interacted with at all) and oddly enough "The Lady in Blue".
I'm not sure if "Tones of the Dark Gallery" is also here given that Manly doesn't fully explore the Gallery's replica of Guertena's Art Gallery/Exhibit and we don't see him go back down to the where "A Well-Meaning Hell" would normally be during "A Painting's Demise" which means both graphically and in terms of interactions (unless stated/proven otherwise) the ending itself got one hell of an overhaul seeing as paint would've started to leak everywhere from "Abyss of the Deep" after some time had passed. (We also don't see Mary's inventory screen *at all* nor do we see all of Mary's interactions with several paintings just as an FYI. Mary's reaction to "The Lady in Red" while the Gallery gets darker is *really* heart breaking, poor girl just wanted friends and to be loved...)
Is it me or is the timer (the bell) for the doll room escape sequence is longer than the original? Then again, the room itself is more spacious in the remake.
The game is noticeably easier and focuses on the story more.
Man, what a blast from the past. Still my favorite RPG maker game out there. That damn tune from main menu always gets me teary eyed
1:36:16 something interesting I noticed with the ending graphic, Ib's shadow is normal while Mary's looks like it was draw with crayon
Thanks!