Damn straight. I. learned more at Shodokan Honbu Dojo in one year, than 5 years in Aikikai. The whole teaching system is superior, because there is a full syllabus - which doesn’t exist at Aikikai.
@@stuffnuns Training against non compliant and resisting partners is the best way to check if the techniques work or not. Shodokan method should be the way to teach effective and pragmatic Aikido
@@josephmalone253 thank you so much for that well explained answer 😁 But i guess im in the right place to search myself. And tips on content creators here on TH-cam who can explain it a bit more?
This was actually really interesting to watch. I've never seen aikedo practiced competitevely, you can really see the power of aikedo in the redirection of the opponents energy. I hope elements of this make it into the octagon.
@@conorfiggs234 why would you even say something so stupid. Aikido is armbars more than wrist locks. You perpetuate the negative stereotype of fat nerds who only wrist lock. Wrist locks in aikido are only to disarm knives and guns would never be used for empty hand unless mcdojo's that train cops or for mma. They aren't really good at aikido and suck at it.
I see. I practice aikido for a year. And it was annoying. My practice was not minimally realistic. And it became to bother me in the last mouths.. I loved the ideology, and there are good techniques and movements, but other ones could be erased.. When I practised as Tori I questioned myself (and sometimes the sensei ) "Why I have to attack always like this?? (yokomenuchi or shomen uchi) Why not a punch, or a slap?" That was one of the reasons I started with KarateDo this year.
well, aikido, in my opinion, is a martial art for the people out of shape and for those who really have to defend themselves. in my opinion aikido was made as a complementary martial art to be used along with katanas, aikido for defence and katanas for attack. it is used in MMA with succes but only combined with other martial arts
Man, they have the best. They have to, because aikido techniques typically require letting the attacker attack fully, i.e. letting them get fully committed to that strike, or punch or stab. You can't move out of the way early on a punch since then the attacker can just redirect the punch, tracking you and landing it. But if the aikidoka waits until the punch has almost landed, then the attacker cannot change direction. He is fully committed to land that punch in a narrower range. THEN the aikidoka moves, after all attacker's energy and momentum is committed. It is this sheer bravery to stand longer, to show (feign) vulnerability, that is essential to aikido, and REQUIRES the excellent footwork/taisabake to get off the line of attack in a split second at the last split second, to then take the opponents energy and use it against him. But not just to evade attack, good footwork is essential in all phases of aikido technique. Tomiki sensei, in particular, was known for developing his excellent unsoku (footwork) exercise, doing so in a Chinese prison cell after being captured in WWII, which gave us, his students, the gift of excellent footwork exercises that can be done in a limited, confined space - close quarters.
With the age of this comment is and how basic it is, I really want to thank you Robert for such a detailed and knowledge filled response. It's funny how akido guys catch a lot of flak when like you said, it takes much bravery to stand your ground like that. I just typed in unsoku to TH-cam and now I can check out these footwork drills. Had you given this knowledge to me a year ago when the comment was fresh, I may not have even captured what you said. Thank you again Robert for taking the time to drop some knowledge on me and thank the universe for letting it happen now!! Have a great day man.
Thanks for the kind words, Ben. I am indeed having a great day (evening now); it's my B-day, coincidentally. Yeah, your comment was originally a long time ago. But it invited my response, nonetheless, because it displayed a little open-minded epiphany. It beckoned me since I really enjoy Tomiki aikido and blabbing about it. It really is a fascinating art. Unsoku is like an onion. We begin every practice session with it, 1st thing after warm-ups. Even the most senior yudansha practice it regularly all their lives. There are layers and layers to it, like how there are a zillion things to do in simply standing correctly (mountain pose) in yoga. It looks easy, but is very challenging to do right. Anyway, have a great day, Ben. Hope you get a chance to get on a mat at a local Tomiki Aikido dojo and have some fun.
One correction to my first comment: Tomiki sensei developed his tegatena dousa while in the Chinese prison, not unsoku (which is really derived from judo). This is essentially unsoku combined with added simultaneous arm motions. We typically begin practice first with unsoku (footwork only exercise) and then we do the tegatena dousa, adding the arm motions. The importance of unsoku and tegatena dousa is that these are the fundamental building block motions that are later incorporated into all the various techniques. This allows learning the techniques faster later, since the footwork and arm motion piece-work is already understood and just needs to be "assembled" differently for the new techniques being learned. (This is an over-simplification, but generally true.) I believe this pedagogical style is unique to Tomiki aikido, since Tomiki was a professor - an educator and helped to systematize O-sensei's vast and somewhat disorganized universe of aikido techniques. This was Tomiki's greatest contribution to aikido IMHO, more than his development of the competition for real-resistance testing of one's abilities, but for his systematizing of aikido into a teaching style that builds naturally from basic principles and basic techniques. Anyway, there I go again. Just wanted to make that correction!
ben franklin aikido has fantastic footwork. You have to be very light and nimble and well balanced. I have had boxing and MMA coaches say they are impressed with my footwork and I completely attribute that to my Aikido/Hapkido experience.
Davi Stanesco Tomiki Aikido (or Shodokan Aikido) was founded by a highly ranked Judo practitioner who basically grafted Judo's take on the importance of sparring onto Aikido. It's a pretty old style and has been around for a while but "mainstream" Aikido people seem to look at it like some sort of abomination.
KillerSalmon Just to expand a little: O'sensei brought his new art (aikijustsu, before renamed aikido) to his friend Jigoro Kano, founder of Judo. Kano was very impressed and sent one of his top students, Kenji Tomiki, to go study with his friend Morihei Uesheba. Tomiki fell in love with Aikido and was O'sensei's first great student - first to be certified Menkyo Kaiden and later was first to achieve 8th dan when they switched from Koryu to dan ranking (the only martial artist to achieve 8th dan in two arts, the other being Judo). Tomiki was also a professor. As an educator, his greatest contribution to Aikido was to distill O'sensei's sometimes-ambiguous and disorganized teaching style into a systematic approach, and later, when Tomiki was the Aikido and Judo instructor at Waseda University and wanted to create an Aikido club, the university required competition for all sports clubs. It took years of development, but eventually Tomiki was able to extend Judo competition safety rules and limitations to Aikido. The purpose of Aikido competition is to test effectiveness under as-close-to-real circumstances as possible. This was due to Tomiki's recognition of the importance of Aikido being practical and truly effective. And, as any aikidoka of any style will attest, one must stay relaxed and soft to have effective aikido. So this was the ultimate practice and test - to see if one could remain relaxed and soft in a highly intense situation, going at it 100% while still also maintaining safety. I love how these two aikidoka are going at it full steam yet never get angry or macho, but rather care for each other, like at 00:27. After the bigger guy (looks like Kondo sensei?) gets a good shomenate he then reaches down to make sure the fallen guys is OK. This is beautiful Aikido spirit that even Aikikai would surely appreciate, even though they abhor the concept of Aikido competition.
Well its something that has been known & practised in Tomiki aikido since the later 1950's and early 60's, but the Aikikai wanted nothing to do with it!! Its not aikido!! LMAO!! THAT is why Aikikai aikido is useless in the octagon or MMA... No mystery there....So Spot on Robert!! It's a shame that the rest of the people who contend within the movement don't do this type of performance and end up doing bad judo!!.... I practised Tomiki's aikido for 18 years before moving on as I thought the tanto randori shiai was a joke!! Sport or no sport, whoever thought up this tanto randori business has never faced someone with a real knife!! The randori kyogi or toshu randori, on the other hand, is far more realistic as is similar to boxing in footwork except of course there are no punches.... What I did was to incorporate punching and kicking into toshu randori with the players wearing some body and head protection to get an even more realistic approach... But that was just me... I found that given that approach it made ones "aikido" far more realistic!! Show less REPLY
Yeah!! And I practised this form of training and competition shiai from about 1978 right up until 1990, when I retired from doing competition... I still practised at club level right up until my mid 50's, but It was getting a bit too much for the back and joints, so just taught it instead.... Great fun though and it IS very effective in learning it from a self-defence POV... Its easy to adapt to all sorts of attack including punching & kicking!!
@@MrAlepedroza it's fake because it's fake. Its too slow and the landing is too clean. That throw or ones similar are used all over... they just dont look that clean.
@@hard2hurt The throw is not that slow, come on. Not even throws in the Olympics are lightning fast. Sometimes guys get the breakfall perfectly, though the chances are low, it still can happen. Low percentage move taking place =/= fake. You're proving nothing there.
@@MrAlepedroza man this is a work, like a pro wrestling match. The stumbling after the redirects is all them just selling. The first two falls the guy takes are him selling the move for the other guy, the first one is especially egregious. The last throw was so slow and the selling/break fall was demo/movie stunt level fake. In real life, people try to put their feet back under them and none of these throws had enough pepper on them to actually cause these clean, flat falls. If you watch the real matches on this very channel you can see the difference. This is a work.
You dislike Aikido cos you don’t really know what is the meaning of it and you ignore totally the “do” of it. Criticise others is always so easy. Maybe you need someone to show you the way “do”. Aikïdo is about self protection in nowadays society against those who want to destroy us and also be able to react as any situations of real attack or working under situation for example. You can dislike Aikido but I think you didn’t understand the essence of it. Be in peace 🙏
The technique is called Shihō-Nage, roughly Four-Directional Thow in English, and is a stapple of Japanese Jū-Jutsu and many of its descendant arts. I understand holding distain towards regular Aikidō due to the lack of free sparring; and by extention, proper pressure testing; but why Tomiki/Shodokan Aikidō?
This is very interesting to me. I think what helps is to think about combat as a management of ranges. aikijido, to me, seems to fit just in between the striking range and the clinch range. I am very happy to see what appears to be a legit demonstration and not the nonsense we see all over the internet.
I am impressed by how exemplary and cleanly these guys move, attack and avoid attacks. Their footwork is brilliant. All their moves are really optimized, and they know exactly when to give in for the other to initiate an attack and when to disengage. The step in + chin lift in "contra tempo" is brilliant. The sideways shoulder pull on an stepping opponent is brilliant. The armlock and rolling is brilliant. And all attacks are perfectly timed. Really really very impressive and clean.
Yes! Aikido isn't about lunging inward to attack, it's primary focus is how to avoid attacks at all costs. Basically the complete opposite of Traditional Karate forms.
i would love to see aikido really develop into an effective style, im not sure how different it would be from judo if it did. im happy to see there are people who are attempting to develop aikido that doesnt require compliance. best wishes to them
Dan Theodore, Shuji Maruyama, myself, a few others Dan Theodore has been able to apply Aikido techniques against MMA fighters (so have I, to a lesser extent) Shuji Maruyama is, to my knowledge, the only one developing Aikido in the same manner and basic direction as O Sensei did -- and still is pushing it into new territory. I've begun to divide the curriculum into "gi" and "no gi" aikido myself, but, I prefer to keep the art truer to what O Sensei intended... folks like Dan Theodore can continue to develop its MMA applicability -- for me, that's good but somewhat missing the point. Past using Aikido in BJJ (nikkyo is easy to get from guard) I prefer not to turn a nonviolent self defense art into a fighting art -- I prefer to focus on the scalability that makes the art unique against arts like Judo.
@@edtheangler4930it mostly isn't. Schools that practice live randori are the exception, and the ones that encourage competition are even rarer. In no small part because Aikido as a whole is already a niche art, and finding people amongst that small.sample size that practice it that way just make a competitive scene largely unviable.
@@asteriskcolon It is not just Aikido. As a Wing Chun practitioner, I have been doing exactly the same. That is, to try to improve and reinvent my footwork so that I can apply the real Wing Chun without using the boxing stance and boxing footwork which will destroy the hand forms of Wing Chun. Whether it is Aikido or Wing Chun, we have to deal with other fighting styles, not just our own style.
It did, judo and jiujitsu. You put an aikido black belt up against a judo or jiujitsu black belt the aikido guy will get destroyed every single time. The problem is that a real fighter knows footwork and how to punch while moving so fast that aikido cannot respond, the victim has to throw fully into the aikido practitioner so he can be misdirected. You want to see an aikido blackbelt get knocked out quick just watch them full contact spar a muay thai fighter or jiujitsu fighter, not even black belts, just 1-2 years of training. It is good to redirect to avoid contact and not get injured for a few seconds in a bar though.
Yonkyonage, actually. It was really well done though, as a counter. There's a turn that looks like shihonage but it was a turn out towards the arm instead of to the center. Pause and go frame by frame at 1:11 and you can see the grip is yonkyo
Nice to see some live Aikido grappling. I wish there was more of this on TH-cam. Possibilities for those looking to enhance Aikido grappling: 1- Grapple without gi to reduce the temptation to grab it and reduce pauses in the match 2- Allow submissions and count them as a condition for instant victory vs points for throws 3- Allow body clinching so the fast moving parts (flailing arms) can be slowed so that joint locks can actually be applied 4- If an opponent goes to the ground trying to escape a joint lock, allow the attacker to attempt to finish the technique as long as they remain standing or kneeling (as in the Aikido kata) I think Aikido could be developed into an effective martial art if more Aikidoka were open to the idea of live competition and modifying the rule set. Anyone who's been in an Aikido or similar joint lock knows that the techniques work, the question is just how to effectively get into a position where you can actually finish the move. Unfortunately, I don't think grasping the air trying to snatch flailing limbs is a good way to do that. Intercepting the body and rushing into the clinch or other body hold first seems more plausible.
I didnt see a whole of grappling. No clinching, no grip/hand fighting, no pins or submission attempts, and no positional attacks/advancement. I saw two blokes dance about a bit and one get thrown once or twice.
This is a specific practice, it's barely free grappling, tomiki competition is designed to showcase that it's possible to use Wristlock throws on people when they give you momentum and over commit, problem is that most trained fighters won't make those mistakes and that's why we don't see it performed in the cage, still a cool and interesting practice
1st time i've ever seen a proper sparring match with 2 aikidoka. Where were all the fancy throws you see in the demonstrations? 1 guy did use a pretty c ool throw but you see,it isn't as easy as the demonstrations make it out to be when you have a resisting opponent is it?
But at least judo competition does have legit throws in them,because they work. Wjmhat did you see here?Just 2 guys in pajamas dancing around doing nothing. I take back my original post.Tbese guys didn't do anything. Because aikido is bullshido.
Something about it scares me like the whole goal is to protect your own arms from being twisted while twisting the other persons arms, all while sliding around on ice.
I've aways admired the esthetic of aikido but felt it had limited value combatively. This is the first time I've ever seen what seems to be true sparring against a resisting opponent. The technique at 1:10 was beautiful, textbook beautiful.
"This is the first time I've ever seen what seems to be true sparring against a resisting opponent. The technique at 1:10 was beautiful, textbook beautiful." They're both "demoing" like unscripted pro wrestling. It's "competitive" with the footwork, but if one guy gets a move started, the other plays along and gives a big fall.
Wow this was much better than other vids on youtube. Plus he actually used aikido and didnt turn it into judo showing application and useability in real situation :0
What happened to that adagio "the first to strike has already lost" or smthg? They do not use high guard to safe the face, they should think of a street situation
+Manchester Budo Club bull shit where did you get that idea from. It looks bad because it is bad . tomiki randori only makes sense without the tanto. The tanto is mostly ignored or slapped away . The techniques are wrestled on with little or no kuzushi. It is still and always has been an embarrassing part of the tomiki system.
+Ian Moody That Tomiki Aikido was developed as a defense against judo? I got it from Bob King Sensei of the TAA. It makes sense. Tomiki was a judoka first, so his understanding of Ueshiba's art was filtered through a judo understanding of kuzushi and tsukuri. I agree with you that this randori stuff looks awful. You should see the Russians when they are REALLY going at, and there is very little elegance to it. It is like bulls in a china shop. But I disagree that Tomiki Randori only makes sense without the tanto. The 17 was specifically developed for tanto randori. The stuff that does not work safely in competition is in the Goshin kata (Koryu Dai Ichi through Dai Roku). Again, that is from Bob King Sensei.
+Manchester Budo Club I have seen them I have competed myself nothing to grand area wins and nationals for open kata and ninindori. I have competed at the world championships in leeds . open kata did quite well. Just outside the medals. does not change the fact tanto randori is a awful spectacle. no aikido very little judo . just bad wrestling. don't get me wrong I have seen some good stuff in tanto randori . back in the day guys like bill taniki and Ali dervish. but even that was not real aikido. as I said I hold a third Dan in tomiki. I credit it with a lot but the best thing I ever did was leave . I teach self defense now . elbows headbutts knees kicks. All inside an effective aikido syllabus. tomiki aikido used to be great. randori sacrifice throws. now it pains me to see everyone faking. pre set attacks pre arranged responses. just embarrassing. The final straw. when I realised I could walk up and punch any of the grading panel in the face and they did not have the ability to deal with it. I realised tomiki was a stylised joke. my instructor has left and is now a high ranking yoshinkan instructor. everyone I respected has moved on. take my advice don't waste your time . Take the skills and apply them to real attacks . and real scenarios. or you'll end up a master of nothing just look at the top flight in tomiki. laughable.
Toshu randori... is this one version of sparring out of many for Shodokan? Does anyone know? Asking mostly out of interest of developing a new style of Aikido sparring... but the better I understand Shodokan the less I will step on its toes.
One thing great of aikido is that it isnt a competition sport but a budo. Tomiki the founder of this competetive "aikido", did study with the founder of aikido, when it wasnt called aikido yet. It was called aiki bujutsu or something like that. Tomiki chose the name aikido though for obvious reasons, lifting on the popularity of aikido. Tomiki was asked to not use the name aikido, because (like it or not) aikido explicitly rejects competition. Unfortunately Tomiki disrespectex his teacher and just continued using aikido. the founder of aikido, he was a student of daito ryu jujutsu. because he changed this great bujutsu,he also changed the nameinto aikido. Tomiki should have done the same and chose his own name for his competetive budo creation.
Renato Rr After watching the technique over and over again I think the technique is tenkai kotehineri like leuw7516 said. Sorry for telling you wrong. The Tomiki style calls their techniques differently than the main style of Aikido so that's why leuw7516 is calling it sankyo. You can watch the tournament videos I uploaded. They're extremely short but they have the names of the technique they used.
Looks like 1 side step hook would end all the movement.. the art of not hitting in a fight smh.. Old Stevie Siegal showed how ridiculous this art is.. especially vs a real trained fighter .. Aikido would be usless against a wrestler or boxer. It was origianlly used to fight against swordsmen
Вообще все подобные единоборства на мой взгляд надо изучать после какого нибудь из стандартных смешанных стилей mma, kudo, боевое самбо, армейский рукопашный без разницы. Работа ног у них мне понравилась. Какие нибудь болячки и потом из другого подобного что нибудь взять и всё что можно стараться адаптировать. К своей технике не забывать её тренировать.
Айкидо работает против грубого и явного нападения, а если противник действует осторожно и расчётливо, айкидо перестаёт работать. А вообще, исход боя зависит не от стиля, а от человека и степени его подготовки.
This is great to watch, attempting application against a "live" opponent instead of set movements. If anything, Aikido could become like Judo, a respected art and sport that has its own rules and competitions. Not everything needs to be MMA. Seems like these guys are trying to catch the timing of movement and use that to throw the other off balance, or better yet, get them in some kind of aikido technique.
Just because the nature of aikido is pure defense, wouldn't it make more sense for an aikido tournament to be about how well an aikidoka can hold up against NON-aikidokas (ie, other martial artists, fighters, and so forth)?
+Nth Bar-Fields not many places do this because o sensei frowned upon competition so almost all of the aikido dojos you will see never practice against different styles and tomiki aikido is the only style of aikido that actively promotes competition.
+Nth Bar-Fields No, Aikido is not a pure defense art, there is also attacks technics by hand(s) or with arms (bokken,...) Tournement is a common description of practicing art against another one to juge how far we are, in aikido we do tournement all the time. Last point is that Aikido is not to how well you are against some else but how well you are against yourself, if you know better yourself, anyone else could be handle very easly. Did you notice in all Aikido video that more aikidokas is old more he is fast and strong, we can't say that to other arts... Peace brother
I'm a Judoka. I can say they move their feet too much. In a fight moving too much make you weak to leg attack. I would already throw them to the grown.
They have the same techniques (more or less) as other Aikido styles although theirs tend to be more direct and linear. It may look sloppy but that's because they're doing their techniques against someone who knows what the other person is trying to do, and knows all the counters, etc.
Yes, and it isn't the best style of Aikido, either. Better than Aikikai (because with the exception of rare, HQ Aikikai instructors -- they do exist -- Aikikai is pretty low quality, and sadly, the most ubiquitous style of Aikido).
They actually are using striking techniques - the first three techniques that landed are "atemi" or striking techniques that have been modified to be throws. There were two Shomen-ate's (basically a straight attack down the centerline) and the ushiro-ate (a strike to the back of the neck, modified to be a back pulldown for sparring). The first five techniques allowed in sparring and competition are strikes that have been modified to be throws.
Shodokan Aikidoka don't wear Hakama as the style is more sporting based than Honbu styles. Shodokan Aikido was developed by Tomiki who was a student of Ueshiba and Jigoro Kano who developed Judo. Hakama are sometimes worn for Kata but not very often.
Kenji Tomiki, besides being a brilliant aikidoka and judoka (8th dan in two different arts), was also a professor - an educator. The story I heard (needs verification) is that he didn't wear a hakama explicitly because the purpose of the hakama is to hide the tricky footwork of aikido, and how it gives the appearance of floating and hiding your weak line(s). Tomiki sensei, on the other hand, WANTED his students to see and learn his footwork. He was all about the learning of aikido. In the real world you're not going to have your hakama on when trapped in a dark alley with 3 thugs. By tradition Tomiki (Shodokan) aikidoka don't wear hakama out of reverence to Tomiki sensei and to carry on that emphasis on teaching and learning.
i'm ignorant as to whats going on here. my question is whats to stop a judoka or wrestler from stepping in and whipping the floor with these dude? whats the rule set?
I'm not an Aikidoka but if I were then to prevent ground fighters from closing the distance I would focus on circular movement, control the head to keep them away from me sort of like you see at 0:26 in the video, step offline if they're going in for a body lock or head lock clinch, or sprawl my legs out if you go for a leg takedown. Aikidoka practice dropping down to the ground and quickly recovering a lot so I recon sprawling wouldn't be too hard for them.
The rules set is that you are limited to using 17 basic Aikido techniques. No groundwork - it's basically a contest to see how well practitioners can get a throw or take-down/pin using those 17 Aikido techniques. The founder of this style of Aikido was also a Judo practitioner and he intentionally made the rules set so that Judo guys couldn't come in and just use Judo - that wasn't the point. They had Judo tournaments to test their Judo techniques. The whole point of these competitions was to test these fundamental Aikido techniques. I suppose they were meant to be complementary.
Steven Hudson Catch as Catch Can Wrestling has every standing armlock you could find in this vid. A more competitive mindset, historical tie ins with bare knuckle boxing and medieval disarms/wrestling Etc. And modern fighters using it today successfully like Sakuraba, Barnett.
A wrestler or Judoka would probably defeat those guys in sports. However, this style of Aikido includes atemi for real fights, so you need to be careful when moving in.
Out of that entire match, the only technique I saw that could actually be applied was the sankyo at about the 1:10 mark. And all the time, they were in striking range. Not a very effective form of self defense IMO. Thanks for the upload.
+jervill1 My expectations are to see the practitioners actually use the techniques taught to them. When you watch a boxing match, you see the fighters use every single strike they train with in the gym, and during sparring. You see them apply defensive slipping, bobbing, weaving, ducking, and covering up, which are all taught and practiced in the gym. Watch an Aikido vid and its rare to EVER see an ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, yonkyo, gokyo, or any irimi nage, shiho nage, or kote gaeshi, and those are all basic techniques taught in every dojo. When you can barely ever apply basic techniques in real world sparring sessions, that means your techniques aren't practical, and should be replaced with techniques that actually work. That, more than anything, should show the Aikido practitioner that they're wasting their time.
+Hagen Steele, I gotta disagree. Keep in mind these Tomiki competitors know aikido counters. It's gonna be hard to get a good ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, etc. on me. But 90% of the people that are going to attack me in the real world don't know aikido. So you can't watch a video like this one and expect aikidoka to be very successful with ANY aikido techniques, compared to how successful they would be in the real world. Tomiki competition can be boring for this reason; it's really hard for both competitors to get successful techniques in. That doesn't mean they're wasting their time. Just the opposite. If they CAN make their aikido work in Tomiki competition, you can be damn sure they're going to be very effective in the real world. But does Aikikai, Yoshinkan, Iwama, etc. have anything even remotely close to this - that tests their techniques in real, full resistance settings? No, they don't. Yet their comment boards are often discussing what they can do to make their aikido more effective, realizing that they lack some kind of missing ingredient to make their aikido practical. That's what Tomiki was trying to do with the competitions, to use it as a vehicle to emphasize making your aikido practical and effective.
It's so restricted. Feels like all movements was based on old type of uniform/kimono ancient samurai use to wear. Many movements minimise use of energy, which theoretically help to fight with high number of opponents. However, in street fight its useless. Especially considering modern outfits. Hmm.. I think. I wish we could see professional, going full power, without any rules and restrictions. I guess only then we could analyse it fairly. But still, thinking about judo, wrestling(classic, freestyle etc), even bjj technics, i dont think aikido master have a chance.
Cool stuff. The rule set is so odd, without punching or kicking, it's just so... off... somehow... Aikido works much better if you have gloves and shin pads and go full contact.
this is appalling from a grappling perspective ... showing your back to the opponent and not maintaining a wide stance the glorified choke slam at 0:25 was because the man broke the cardinal rule of grappling and had is legs together and had no balance when bull-rushed
This video is so underrated... actually the whole tomiki style is underrated... it should be more popular
Damn straight. I. learned more at Shodokan Honbu Dojo in one year, than 5 years in Aikikai. The whole teaching system is superior, because there is a full syllabus - which doesn’t exist at Aikikai.
@@stuffnuns are there different styles in aikido?
@@stuffnuns Training against non compliant and resisting partners is the best way to check if the techniques work or not. Shodokan method should be the way to teach effective and pragmatic Aikido
@@anderandersson5229yes
@@josephmalone253 thank you so much for that well explained answer 😁
But i guess im in the right place to search myself.
And tips on content creators here on TH-cam who can explain it a bit more?
This was actually really interesting to watch. I've never seen aikedo practiced competitevely, you can really see the power of aikedo in the redirection of the opponents energy. I hope elements of this make it into the octagon.
You can really see the bullshit, it looks like two kids playing.
Unlikely to see this in combat sports, mostly cause wrist locks don’t resist against a wrapped, gloved wrist
Aikido> sports... sports = Olympics.
Nobody who is serious wants to ruin aikido by making it for entertainment. That would be gay.
@@conorfiggs234 aikido isn't about wrist locks. Only mcdojo think that.
@@conorfiggs234 why would you even say something so stupid. Aikido is armbars more than wrist locks. You perpetuate the negative stereotype of fat nerds who only wrist lock. Wrist locks in aikido are only to disarm knives and guns would never be used for empty hand unless mcdojo's that train cops or for mma. They aren't really good at aikido and suck at it.
Finally a fight, and not a demonstration against a guy with a stick..
thats because this is Shodokan Aikido (or Tomiki Aikido)
I see. I practice aikido for a year. And it was annoying. My practice was not minimally realistic. And it became to bother me in the last mouths.. I loved the ideology, and there are good techniques and movements, but other ones could be erased.. When I practised as Tori I questioned myself (and sometimes the sensei ) "Why I have to attack always like this?? (yokomenuchi or shomen uchi) Why not a punch, or a slap?"
That was one of the reasons I started with KarateDo this year.
well, aikido, in my opinion, is a martial art for the people out of shape and for those who really have to defend themselves. in my opinion aikido was made as a complementary martial art to be used along with katanas, aikido for defence and katanas for attack. it is used in MMA with succes but only combined with other martial arts
In some way you are right. Aikido have great ideologies....it is bad that their practise is so badly done...
yes
I never knew Aikido guys had such good footwork.
Man, they have the best. They have to, because aikido techniques typically require letting the attacker attack fully, i.e. letting them get fully committed to that strike, or punch or stab. You can't move out of the way early on a punch since then the attacker can just redirect the punch, tracking you and landing it. But if the aikidoka waits until the punch has almost landed, then the attacker cannot change direction. He is fully committed to land that punch in a narrower range. THEN the aikidoka moves, after all attacker's energy and momentum is committed. It is this sheer bravery to stand longer, to show (feign) vulnerability, that is essential to aikido, and REQUIRES the excellent footwork/taisabake to get off the line of attack in a split second at the last split second, to then take the opponents energy and use it against him. But not just to evade attack, good footwork is essential in all phases of aikido technique. Tomiki sensei, in particular, was known for developing his excellent unsoku (footwork) exercise, doing so in a Chinese prison cell after being captured in WWII, which gave us, his students, the gift of excellent footwork exercises that can be done in a limited, confined space - close quarters.
With the age of this comment is and how basic it is, I really want to thank you Robert for such a detailed and knowledge filled response. It's funny how akido guys catch a lot of flak when like you said, it takes much bravery to stand your ground like that.
I just typed in unsoku to TH-cam and now I can check out these footwork drills. Had you given this knowledge to me a year ago when the comment was fresh, I may not have even captured what you said. Thank you again Robert for taking the time to drop some knowledge on me and thank the universe for letting it happen now!! Have a great day man.
Thanks for the kind words, Ben. I am indeed having a great day (evening now); it's my B-day, coincidentally.
Yeah, your comment was originally a long time ago. But it invited my response, nonetheless, because it displayed a little open-minded epiphany. It beckoned me since I really enjoy Tomiki aikido and blabbing about it. It really is a fascinating art. Unsoku is like an onion. We begin every practice session with it, 1st thing after warm-ups. Even the most senior yudansha practice it regularly all their lives. There are layers and layers to it, like how there are a zillion things to do in simply standing correctly (mountain pose) in yoga. It looks easy, but is very challenging to do right. Anyway, have a great day, Ben. Hope you get a chance to get on a mat at a local Tomiki Aikido dojo and have some fun.
One correction to my first comment: Tomiki sensei developed his tegatena dousa while in the Chinese prison, not unsoku (which is really derived from judo). This is essentially unsoku combined with added simultaneous arm motions. We typically begin practice first with unsoku (footwork only exercise) and then we do the tegatena dousa, adding the arm motions. The importance of unsoku and tegatena dousa is that these are the fundamental building block motions that are later incorporated into all the various techniques. This allows learning the techniques faster later, since the footwork and arm motion piece-work is already understood and just needs to be "assembled" differently for the new techniques being learned. (This is an over-simplification, but generally true.) I believe this pedagogical style is unique to Tomiki aikido, since Tomiki was a professor - an educator and helped to systematize O-sensei's vast and somewhat disorganized universe of aikido techniques. This was Tomiki's greatest contribution to aikido IMHO, more than his development of the competition for real-resistance testing of one's abilities, but for his systematizing of aikido into a teaching style that builds naturally from basic principles and basic techniques. Anyway, there I go again. Just wanted to make that correction!
ben franklin aikido has fantastic footwork. You have to be very light and nimble and well balanced. I have had boxing and MMA coaches say they are impressed with my footwork and I completely attribute that to my Aikido/Hapkido experience.
Finally they understood that for defeating someone you need to practice with a resisting opponent.
Ya, i know. Some techniques are good. But the metodology still sucks.
Davi Stanesco Tomiki Aikido (or Shodokan Aikido) was founded by a highly ranked Judo practitioner who basically grafted Judo's take on the importance of sparring onto Aikido. It's a pretty old style and has been around for a while but "mainstream" Aikido people seem to look at it like some sort of abomination.
KillerSalmon Just to expand a little: O'sensei brought his new art (aikijustsu, before renamed aikido) to his friend Jigoro Kano, founder of Judo. Kano was very impressed and sent one of his top students, Kenji Tomiki, to go study with his friend Morihei Uesheba. Tomiki fell in love with Aikido and was O'sensei's first great student - first to be certified Menkyo Kaiden and later was first to achieve 8th dan when they switched from Koryu to dan ranking (the only martial artist to achieve 8th dan in two arts, the other being Judo). Tomiki was also a professor. As an educator, his greatest contribution to Aikido was to distill O'sensei's sometimes-ambiguous and disorganized teaching style into a systematic approach, and later, when Tomiki was the Aikido and Judo instructor at Waseda University and wanted to create an Aikido club, the university required competition for all sports clubs. It took years of development, but eventually Tomiki was able to extend Judo competition safety rules and limitations to Aikido. The purpose of Aikido competition is to test effectiveness under as-close-to-real circumstances as possible. This was due to Tomiki's recognition of the importance of Aikido being practical and truly effective. And, as any aikidoka of any style will attest, one must stay relaxed and soft to have effective aikido. So this was the ultimate practice and test - to see if one could remain relaxed and soft in a highly intense situation, going at it 100% while still also maintaining safety. I love how these two aikidoka are going at it full steam yet never get angry or macho, but rather care for each other, like at 00:27. After the bigger guy (looks like Kondo sensei?) gets a good shomenate he then reaches down to make sure the fallen guys is OK. This is beautiful Aikido spirit that even Aikikai would surely appreciate, even though they abhor the concept of Aikido competition.
+KillerSalmon "Mainstream" Aikido practitioners hate it because it shows how worthless Aikido is against a resisting opponent.
Well its something that has been known & practised in Tomiki aikido since the later 1950's and early 60's, but the Aikikai wanted nothing to do with it!! Its not aikido!! LMAO!! THAT is why Aikikai aikido is useless in the octagon or MMA... No mystery there....So Spot on Robert!! It's a shame that the rest of the people who contend within the movement don't do this type of performance and end up doing bad judo!!.... I practised Tomiki's aikido for 18 years before moving on as I thought the tanto randori shiai was a joke!! Sport or no sport, whoever thought up this tanto randori business has never faced someone with a real knife!! The randori kyogi or toshu randori, on the other hand, is far more realistic as is similar to boxing in footwork except of course there are no punches.... What I did was to incorporate punching and kicking into toshu randori with the players wearing some body and head protection to get an even more realistic approach... But that was just me... I found that given that approach it made ones "aikido" far more realistic!!
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That is actually some pretty good aikido
Yeah!! And I practised this form of training and competition shiai from about 1978 right up until 1990, when I retired from doing competition... I still practised at club level right up until my mid 50's, but It was getting a bit too much for the back and joints, so just taught it instead.... Great fun though and it IS very effective in learning it from a self-defence POV... Its easy to adapt to all sorts of attack including punching & kicking!!
What happens when you really get in a fight though?
That throw at 1:11 was beautiful!! Way to go to show that those are capable under more realistic situations.
How random that I came across you here. This shit is fake bro hahaha.
@@MrAlepedroza it's fake because it's fake. Its too slow and the landing is too clean. That throw or ones similar are used all over... they just dont look that clean.
@@hard2hurt The throw is not that slow, come on. Not even throws in the Olympics are lightning fast. Sometimes guys get the breakfall perfectly, though the chances are low, it still can happen. Low percentage move taking place =/= fake. You're proving nothing there.
@@MrAlepedroza man this is a work, like a pro wrestling match. The stumbling after the redirects is all them just selling. The first two falls the guy takes are him selling the move for the other guy, the first one is especially egregious. The last throw was so slow and the selling/break fall was demo/movie stunt level fake. In real life, people try to put their feet back under them and none of these throws had enough pepper on them to actually cause these clean, flat falls. If you watch the real matches on this very channel you can see the difference. This is a work.
@@hard2hurt i have been very skeptical of aikido and was willing to give this one the benefit of the doubt but you make a very good point.
I normally dislike most aikido but damn that technique at about 1:10 was badass
Yeah, it was so awesome I had to watch it again on slow mo...
You dislike Aikido cos you don’t really know what is the meaning of it and you ignore totally the “do” of it.
Criticise others is always so easy.
Maybe you need someone to show you the way “do”.
Aikïdo is about self protection in nowadays society against those who want to destroy us and also be able to react as any situations of real attack or working under situation for example.
You can dislike Aikido but I think you didn’t understand the essence of it.
Be in peace 🙏
@@Tomasdreams k
The technique is called Shihō-Nage, roughly Four-Directional Thow in English, and is a stapple of Japanese Jū-Jutsu and many of its descendant arts.
I understand holding distain towards regular Aikidō due to the lack of free sparring; and by extention, proper pressure testing; but why Tomiki/Shodokan Aikidō?
@@leondarley2811 lmao that’s not shiho nage. I know soooo much more about general martial arts stuff now. That’s a sankyo
This is very interesting to me.
I think what helps is to think about combat as a management of ranges. aikijido, to me, seems to fit just in between the striking range and the clinch range.
I am very happy to see what appears to be a legit demonstration and not the nonsense we see all over the internet.
I am impressed by how exemplary and cleanly these guys move, attack and avoid attacks. Their footwork is brilliant. All their moves are really optimized, and they know exactly when to give in for the other to initiate an attack and when to disengage. The step in + chin lift in "contra tempo" is brilliant. The sideways shoulder pull on an stepping opponent is brilliant. The armlock and rolling is brilliant. And all attacks are perfectly timed. Really really very impressive and clean.
i agree with this except to say they cross their legs from time to time
@@mp89701nI noticed that as well. A decent Judoka would grab, flip and fly them on a few occasions I do believe. I do not mean that disrespectfully.
Бред, как дворовые ребята, ничего не срабатывает, 1 прием прошел. Вышел бы нормальный борец, оба бы лежали
Finally, a style of Aikido I'd love to learn. Bet there are no schools in Tennessee, though.
Tennesse is one of my favorite states
Didnt know that Aikido sparring even existed, very Nice to see.
Yes! Aikido isn't about lunging inward to attack, it's primary focus is how to avoid attacks at all costs. Basically the complete opposite of Traditional Karate forms.
Initially, avoiding bladed attacks at length so you can get into judo range.
i would love to see aikido really develop into an effective style, im not sure how different it would be from judo if it did. im happy to see there are people who are attempting to develop aikido that doesnt require compliance. best wishes to them
Dan Theodore, Shuji Maruyama, myself, a few others
Dan Theodore has been able to apply Aikido techniques against MMA fighters (so have I, to a lesser extent) Shuji Maruyama is, to my knowledge, the only one developing Aikido in the same manner and basic direction as O Sensei did -- and still is pushing it into new territory.
I've begun to divide the curriculum into "gi" and "no gi" aikido myself, but, I prefer to keep the art truer to what O Sensei intended... folks like Dan Theodore can continue to develop its MMA applicability -- for me, that's good but somewhat missing the point. Past using Aikido in BJJ (nikkyo is easy to get from guard) I prefer not to turn a nonviolent self defense art into a fighting art -- I prefer to focus on the scalability that makes the art unique against arts like Judo.
It is already
@@edtheangler4930it mostly isn't. Schools that practice live randori are the exception, and the ones that encourage competition are even rarer. In no small part because Aikido as a whole is already a niche art, and finding people amongst that small.sample size that practice it that way just make a competitive scene largely unviable.
@@asteriskcolon It is not just Aikido. As a Wing Chun practitioner, I have been doing exactly the same. That is, to try to improve and reinvent my footwork so that I can apply the real Wing Chun without using the boxing stance and boxing footwork which will destroy the hand forms of Wing Chun. Whether it is Aikido or Wing Chun, we have to deal with other fighting styles, not just our own style.
It did, judo and jiujitsu. You put an aikido black belt up against a judo or jiujitsu black belt the aikido guy will get destroyed every single time. The problem is that a real fighter knows footwork and how to punch while moving so fast that aikido cannot respond, the victim has to throw fully into the aikido practitioner so he can be misdirected. You want to see an aikido blackbelt get knocked out quick just watch them full contact spar a muay thai fighter or jiujitsu fighter, not even black belts, just 1-2 years of training. It is good to redirect to avoid contact and not get injured for a few seconds in a bar though.
wow, that sankyo at 1:11 was really awesome, was it a sankyo or was another technique?
Yonkyonage, actually. It was really well done though, as a counter. There's a turn that looks like shihonage but it was a turn out towards the arm instead of to the center. Pause and go frame by frame at 1:11 and you can see the grip is yonkyo
Shomen Ate at 26 seconds demonstrates perfect timing.
Nice to see some live Aikido grappling. I wish there was more of this on TH-cam.
Possibilities for those looking to enhance Aikido grappling:
1- Grapple without gi to reduce the temptation to grab it and reduce pauses in the match
2- Allow submissions and count them as a condition for instant victory vs points for throws
3- Allow body clinching so the fast moving parts (flailing arms) can be slowed so that joint locks can actually be applied
4- If an opponent goes to the ground trying to escape a joint lock, allow the attacker to attempt to finish the technique as long as they remain standing or kneeling (as in the Aikido kata)
I think Aikido could be developed into an effective martial art if more Aikidoka were open to the idea of live competition and modifying the rule set. Anyone who's been in an Aikido or similar joint lock knows that the techniques work, the question is just how to effectively get into a position where you can actually finish the move.
Unfortunately, I don't think grasping the air trying to snatch flailing limbs is a good way to do that. Intercepting the body and rushing into the clinch or other body hold first seems more plausible.
I didnt see a whole of grappling. No clinching, no grip/hand fighting, no pins or submission attempts, and no positional attacks/advancement. I saw two blokes dance about a bit and one get thrown once or twice.
This is a specific practice, it's barely free grappling, tomiki competition is designed to showcase that it's possible to use Wristlock throws on people when they give you momentum and over commit, problem is that most trained fighters won't make those mistakes and that's why we don't see it performed in the cage, still a cool and interesting practice
Nice ballet. What are the names of these beautiful ballerins?
It does look like bad Judo, but being the only (or most notable) Aikido style that does competition and pressure testing, it's really great.
Like watching 2 5year olds fighting at lunch break😂
1st time i've ever seen a proper sparring match with 2 aikidoka.
Where were all the fancy throws you see in the demonstrations?
1 guy did use a pretty c ool throw but you see,it isn't as easy as the demonstrations make it out to be when you have a resisting opponent is it?
Thats like seeing one judo randori and asking where all the fancy throws from the judo kata are
But at least judo competition does have legit throws in them,because they work.
Wjmhat did you see here?Just 2 guys in pajamas dancing around doing nothing.
I take back my original post.Tbese guys didn't do anything.
Because aikido is bullshido.
Wish there were more videos of this, all the videos on the channel are in Russian so i dont even know which is which
What are the basic competition rules? How compatible are the with Judo or other wrestling styles?
Something about it scares me like the whole goal is to protect your own arms from being twisted while twisting the other persons arms, all while sliding around on ice.
1:10... Amazing!
Chaos Omega Yes - it was beautiful, especially since it was done on a resisting opponent...yet, it was so smooth, it looked like Kata.
That last sankyu was awesome. I’m having a hard time discerning the first two throws; can someone please explain them to me?
That looks like so much fun!
I've aways admired the esthetic of aikido but felt it had limited value combatively. This is the first time I've ever seen what seems to be true sparring against a resisting opponent.
The technique at 1:10 was beautiful, textbook beautiful.
"This is the first time I've ever seen what seems to be true sparring against a resisting opponent. The technique at 1:10 was beautiful, textbook beautiful."
They're both "demoing" like unscripted pro wrestling. It's "competitive" with the footwork, but if one guy gets a move started, the other plays along and gives a big fall.
How do you have aikido tournaments when neither is supposed to be the aggressor? 🤔
For something so cool it looks really goofy sometimes I love it
Nice footwork! Imagine mixing this with bjj.
bjj does not need mixing with such a bullshit)
If it worked, BJJ would already do it.
fixing Nice footwork! Imagine mixing this with Judo*
Wow this was much better than other vids on youtube. Plus he actually used aikido and didnt turn it into judo showing application and useability in real situation :0
I thought it was going to turn into a judo match.I was veey surprised.Even though only 1 aikido throw was successful.
What happened to that adagio "the first to strike has already lost" or smthg?
They do not use high guard to safe the face, they should think of a street situation
I love aikido, but I have to admit, it kind of looks goofy when they spar.
+Saul Parra Tomiki Aikido was developed as a defense against judo, so when you use it against another aikidoka, it does look a bit awkward.
It's awful
+Manchester Budo Club bull shit where did you get that idea from. It looks bad because it is bad . tomiki randori only makes sense without the tanto. The tanto is mostly ignored or slapped away . The techniques are wrestled on with little or no kuzushi. It is still and always has been an embarrassing part of the tomiki system.
+Ian Moody That Tomiki Aikido was developed as a defense against judo? I got it from Bob King Sensei of the TAA. It makes sense. Tomiki was a judoka first, so his understanding of Ueshiba's art was filtered through a judo understanding of kuzushi and tsukuri.
I agree with you that this randori stuff looks awful. You should see the Russians when they are REALLY going at, and there is very little elegance to it. It is like bulls in a china shop. But I disagree that Tomiki Randori only makes sense without the tanto. The 17 was specifically developed for tanto randori. The stuff that does not work safely in competition is in the Goshin kata (Koryu Dai Ichi through Dai Roku). Again, that is from Bob King Sensei.
+Manchester Budo Club I have seen them I have competed myself nothing to grand area wins and nationals for open kata and ninindori. I have competed at the world championships in leeds . open kata did quite well. Just outside the medals. does not change the fact tanto randori is a awful spectacle. no aikido very little judo . just bad wrestling. don't get me wrong I have seen some good stuff in tanto randori . back in the day guys like bill taniki and Ali dervish. but even that was not real aikido. as I said I hold a third Dan in tomiki. I credit it with a lot but the best thing I ever did was leave . I teach self defense now . elbows headbutts knees kicks. All inside an effective aikido syllabus. tomiki aikido used to be great. randori sacrifice throws. now it pains me to see everyone faking. pre set attacks pre arranged responses. just embarrassing. The final straw. when I realised I could walk up and punch any of the grading panel in the face and they did not have the ability to deal with it. I realised tomiki was a stylised joke. my instructor has left and is now a high ranking yoshinkan instructor. everyone I respected has moved on. take my advice don't waste your time . Take the skills and apply them to real attacks . and real scenarios. or you'll end up a master of nothing just look at the top flight in tomiki. laughable.
Rhetoric: How would the Aikidoka survive against an MMA guy? Answer: How would the MMA guy survive a guy with a gun or knife or or or.
Beautiful gyakugamaeate (or ushiroate?) - perfect timing, coming out of a gedanate escape.
Robert Mayer ...at 00:40.
OK, more like a one-handed ushiroate. Nice. He saw/felt the weak line and took it immediately.
Toshu randori... is this one version of sparring out of many for Shodokan? Does anyone know?
Asking mostly out of interest of developing a new style of Aikido sparring... but the better I understand Shodokan the less I will step on its toes.
Og kosam vachina vallu okka like vesukondi
is thes judo ruleset?
what are the rules to this competition?
Thank you for the video!
TOSHU MEANS PULL AND PUSH IM A RIGHT???
1:10 looks like ippon in Judo but with a spacing difference.
I don't really like the tomiki knife competitions, because it just seems like they all get shanked, but this is really nice
+Frank Ware don't you mean tanto - dori by the way yes this is also in tomiki aikido
Who is here #TheyCallHimOG
It shows it works, especially some hand strikes could be used
One thing great of aikido is that it isnt a competition sport but a budo.
Tomiki the founder of this competetive "aikido", did study with the founder of aikido, when it wasnt called aikido yet. It was called aiki bujutsu or something like that.
Tomiki chose the name aikido though for obvious reasons, lifting on the popularity of aikido.
Tomiki was asked to not use the name aikido, because (like it or not) aikido explicitly rejects competition. Unfortunately Tomiki disrespectex his teacher and just continued using aikido.
the founder of aikido, he was a student of daito ryu jujutsu. because he changed this great bujutsu,he also changed the nameinto aikido.
Tomiki should have done the same and chose his own name for his competetive budo creation.
i am on the sport aikido and one of my teachers was trained by hiroshi tada but im not sure
Who d win?
What's the name of the move at 1:10?
shihonage
nappyheaded thanks
***** So, what is it? I don't know Aikido, just want to know the name of the move.
Renato Rr
After watching the technique over and over again I think the technique is tenkai kotehineri like leuw7516 said. Sorry for telling you wrong. The Tomiki style calls their techniques differently than the main style of Aikido so that's why leuw7516 is calling it sankyo. You can watch the tournament videos I uploaded. They're extremely short but they have the names of the technique they used.
That move is (attadi dori mix with mawachi girri)
Looks like 1 side step hook would end all the movement.. the art of not hitting in a fight smh.. Old Stevie Siegal showed how ridiculous this art is.. especially vs a real trained fighter ..
Aikido would be usless against a wrestler or boxer. It was origianlly used to fight against swordsmen
Вообще все подобные единоборства на мой взгляд надо изучать после какого нибудь из стандартных смешанных стилей mma, kudo, боевое самбо, армейский рукопашный без разницы.
Работа ног у них мне понравилась. Какие нибудь болячки и потом из другого подобного что нибудь взять и всё что можно стараться адаптировать. К своей технике не забывать её тренировать.
i think a judoka would just come in and establish his grips and then toss the aikido guys like ragdolls...
Indeed, this is just how Aikido looks if it´s applied as a competition sport. (with rules) ;)
Айкидо работает против грубого и явного нападения, а если противник действует осторожно и расчётливо, айкидо перестаёт работать. А вообще, исход боя зависит не от стиля, а от человека и степени его подготовки.
They just run around. One hit by Mike Tyson and they are running on the other side of life
This is great to watch, attempting application against a "live" opponent instead of set movements. If anything, Aikido could become like Judo, a respected art and sport that has its own rules and competitions. Not everything needs to be MMA. Seems like these guys are trying to catch the timing of movement and use that to throw the other off balance, or better yet, get them in some kind of aikido technique.
Seems useful against someone trying to grab you or your handbag. Would like to see how it deals with strikers and wrestlers though.
Just because the nature of aikido is pure defense, wouldn't it make more sense for an aikido tournament to be about how well an aikidoka can hold up against NON-aikidokas (ie, other martial artists, fighters, and so forth)?
+Nth Bar-Fields not many places do this because o sensei frowned upon competition so almost all of the aikido dojos you will see never practice against different styles and tomiki aikido is the only style of aikido that actively promotes competition.
+Dominik Doherty aikidokas themselves can introduce outside techniques and develop their art that way
Fortuna Vendetta they can thats true
yes
+Nth Bar-Fields No, Aikido is not a pure defense art, there is also attacks technics by hand(s) or with arms (bokken,...)
Tournement is a common description of practicing art against another one to juge how far we are, in aikido we do tournement all the time.
Last point is that Aikido is not to how well you are against some else but how well you are against yourself, if you know better yourself, anyone else could be handle very easly.
Did you notice in all Aikido video that more aikidokas is old more he is fast and strong, we can't say that to other arts...
Peace brother
Не могу понять. У любого оператора на мероприятиях такого рода - дело принципа - занимать позицию за спиной рефери?
That was great! Please add more.
Insert music to the vídeo pls!! Like salsa music or something
This IS not a segal does. This looks legit!!!
they are pretending, this is not a fight, this "martial art" is the Japanese equivalent to WWE
I thought there is no fight in Aikido.
I'm a Judoka. I can say they move their feet too much. In a fight moving too much make you weak to leg attack. I would already throw them to the grown.
Cool first time I have seen it used in real speed
a high school wrestler or bjj white belt would
wipe the mat with these guys. if you put your
feet that close together you are asking
for it.
This is Tomiki Aikdo, really not comparable to the other styles
They have the same techniques (more or less) as other Aikido styles although theirs tend to be more direct and linear.
It may look sloppy but that's because they're doing their techniques against someone who knows what the other person is trying to do, and knows all the counters, etc.
Yes, and it isn't the best style of Aikido, either. Better than Aikikai (because with the exception of rare, HQ Aikikai instructors -- they do exist -- Aikikai is pretty low quality, and sadly, the most ubiquitous style of Aikido).
This referee has the hardest job. :)
that would be cool if they were allowed some of their striking techniques as well
They actually are using striking techniques - the first three techniques that landed are "atemi" or striking techniques that have been modified to be throws. There were two Shomen-ate's (basically a straight attack down the centerline) and the ushiro-ate (a strike to the back of the neck, modified to be a back pulldown for sparring). The first five techniques allowed in sparring and competition are strikes that have been modified to be throws.
Looks like it could work more in a self defense setting
Doesn't look like much of an offensive sport ,more of a counter
Aikido still sucks. I’d never trade the 10+ years in jiu jitsu, wrestling, and kickboxing / boxing for 10+ years in aikido.
were is the hakama
shodokan aikido dismisses the hakama, i read.
Shodokan Aikidoka don't wear Hakama as the style is more sporting based than Honbu styles. Shodokan Aikido was developed by Tomiki who was a student of Ueshiba and Jigoro Kano who developed Judo.
Hakama are sometimes worn for Kata but not very often.
Kenji Tomiki, besides being a brilliant aikidoka and judoka (8th dan in two different arts), was also a professor - an educator. The story I heard (needs verification) is that he didn't wear a hakama explicitly because the purpose of the hakama is to hide the tricky footwork of aikido, and how it gives the appearance of floating and hiding your weak line(s). Tomiki sensei, on the other hand, WANTED his students to see and learn his footwork. He was all about the learning of aikido. In the real world you're not going to have your hakama on when trapped in a dark alley with 3 thugs. By tradition Tomiki (Shodokan) aikidoka don't wear hakama out of reverence to Tomiki sensei and to carry on that emphasis on teaching and learning.
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Thanks for this.
1:10 i like this move
i'm ignorant as to whats going on here. my question is whats to stop a judoka or wrestler from stepping in and whipping the floor with these dude? whats the rule set?
I'm not an Aikidoka but if I were then to prevent ground fighters from closing the distance I would focus on circular movement, control the head to keep them away from me sort of like you see at 0:26 in the video, step offline if they're going in for a body lock or head lock clinch, or sprawl my legs out if you go for a leg takedown. Aikidoka practice dropping down to the ground and quickly recovering a lot so I recon sprawling wouldn't be too hard for them.
The rules set is that you are limited to using 17 basic Aikido techniques. No groundwork - it's basically a contest to see how well practitioners can get a throw or take-down/pin using those 17 Aikido techniques.
The founder of this style of Aikido was also a Judo practitioner and he intentionally made the rules set so that Judo guys couldn't come in and just use Judo - that wasn't the point. They had Judo tournaments to test their Judo techniques. The whole point of these competitions was to test these fundamental Aikido techniques. I suppose they were meant to be complementary.
Steven Hudson Catch as Catch Can Wrestling has every standing armlock you could find in this vid. A more competitive mindset, historical tie ins with bare knuckle boxing and medieval disarms/wrestling Etc. And modern fighters using it today successfully like Sakuraba, Barnett.
A wrestler or Judoka would probably defeat those guys in sports. However, this style of Aikido includes atemi for real fights, so you need to be careful when moving in.
You got that in a nutshell!!
Out of that entire match, the only technique I saw that could actually be applied was the sankyo at about the 1:10 mark.
And all the time, they were in striking range.
Not a very effective form of self defense IMO.
Thanks for the upload.
Hagen Steele I think pretty much every martial art is effective form of self defence
+jervill1 My expectations are to see the practitioners actually use the techniques taught to them.
When you watch a boxing match, you see the fighters use every single strike they train with in the gym, and during sparring. You see them apply defensive slipping, bobbing, weaving, ducking, and covering up, which are all taught and practiced in the gym.
Watch an Aikido vid and its rare to EVER see an ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, yonkyo, gokyo, or any irimi nage, shiho nage, or kote gaeshi, and those are all basic techniques taught in every dojo. When you can barely ever apply basic techniques in real world sparring sessions, that means your techniques aren't practical, and should be replaced with techniques that actually work.
That, more than anything, should show the Aikido practitioner that they're wasting their time.
+Hagen Steele, I gotta disagree. Keep in mind these Tomiki competitors know aikido counters. It's gonna be hard to get a good ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, etc. on me. But 90% of the people that are going to attack me in the real world don't know aikido. So you can't watch a video like this one and expect aikidoka to be very successful with ANY aikido techniques, compared to how successful they would be in the real world. Tomiki competition can be boring for this reason; it's really hard for both competitors to get successful techniques in. That doesn't mean they're wasting their time. Just the opposite. If they CAN make their aikido work in Tomiki competition, you can be damn sure they're going to be very effective in the real world. But does Aikikai, Yoshinkan, Iwama, etc. have anything even remotely close to this - that tests their techniques in real, full resistance settings? No, they don't. Yet their comment boards are often discussing what they can do to make their aikido more effective, realizing that they lack some kind of missing ingredient to make their aikido practical. That's what Tomiki was trying to do with the competitions, to use it as a vehicle to emphasize making your aikido practical and effective.
+Hagen Steele "And all the time, they were in striking range."
The rules literally require that they stay in striking range the entire time.
(not stalking, BTW, I was looking up Tomiki randori rules and wanted to see what Toshu looked like)
It's so restricted. Feels like all movements was based on old type of uniform/kimono ancient samurai use to wear. Many movements minimise use of energy, which theoretically help to fight with high number of opponents. However, in street fight its useless. Especially considering modern outfits.
Hmm.. I think. I wish we could see professional, going full power, without any rules and restrictions. I guess only then we could analyse it fairly. But still, thinking about judo, wrestling(classic, freestyle etc), even bjj technics, i dont think aikido master have a chance.
Aikido is much more effective in slow motion
I ain’t gonna lie that sec 1:12 was badass
Very cool.
So it's a competition to see, who complied more dramatically??
Hym of the Shuffling Aikidoka
i could´t see one prpper Aikido technic....
Cos'è sta baggianata?
Ближе к реальному бою, очень похоже:)
..."Петр Пугачев"...
Cool stuff. The rule set is so odd, without punching or kicking, it's just so... off... somehow... Aikido works much better if you have gloves and shin pads and go full contact.
this is appalling from a grappling perspective ... showing your back to the opponent and not maintaining a wide stance the glorified choke slam at 0:25 was because the man broke the cardinal rule of grappling and had is legs together and had no balance when bull-rushed
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This was very interesting to see
This is very cool
At least this is practical compared to others. There many Aikido masters that be teaching BS stuff.
this looking nice
Like it or not, Aikido has to adapt to the needs of real combat situation. And this is a good start.
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The Walking Dead brought me here!
Great match.