RTX 3080 vs 7900 XTX vs RTX 4080: Don't get ripped off (RT on/off, Unreal Engine 5, 4K, 1440p)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- Buying a high end GPU is complicated right now. The RTX 3080 prices are actually going up (new), but their used prices have come down quite a bit. The 4080 is available near its MSRP, but that MSRP is extremely high, and now AMD has launched the 7900 XTX at $200 less than the 4080. In this video we look at how these GPUs perform at 4K and 1440p in a variety of games including new graphically demanding "next gen" titles, including Unreal Engine 5.1 with Lumen and Nanite, along with some older games as well as RT ON/OFF. The test system specs are below, and all footage was captured on an external capture card to eliminate any recording overhead (although this can introduce screen tearing to the recordings).
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro, how to read the stats, cooler models, etc
3:30 Unreal Engine 5.1: Fortnite 4K Epic HW RT On
4:26 UE 5.1: Fortnite 4K Epic HW RT On TSR Quality upscale
5:09 UE 5.1 Fortnite 4K Epic (HW RT OFF)
5:50 UE 5.1 Fortnite 4K High (HW RT OFF)
6:34 UE 5.1 Fortnite 4K High (HW RT OFF) TSR Quality upscale
7:17 UE 5.1 Fortnite 1440p Epic HW RT ON
8:01 UE 5.1 Fortnite 1440p Epic (HW RT OFF)
8:46 UE 5.1 Fortnite 1440p High (HW RT OFF)
9:21 "Next Gen" Game: Plague Tale Requiem 4K Ultra
10:15 DLSS 3 Frame Generation: Plague Tale Requiem 4K Ultra
11:03 Plague Tale Requiem 1440p Ultra
11:33 The Callisto Protocol 4K Ultra
12:19 The Callisto Protocol 1440p Ultra
13:06 Weird Ray Tracing Result: Callisto Protocol 1440p RT Max
13:54 Ray Tracing: The Callisto Protocol 4K RT Max
14:41 Ray Tracing: The Callisto Protocol 4K RT Max FSR2 Quality
15:29 Ray Tracing: Cyberpunk 2077 4K RT Ultra
16:40 Ray Tracing w/DLSS/FSR2 Performance Cyberpunk 2077 4K Ultra
17:50 Ray Tracing 1440p RT Ultra Cyberpunk 2077
19:00 Ray Tracing w/DLSS/FSR2 Quality 1440p RT Ultra Cyberpunk 2077
20:10 RT Low: 1440p Cyberpunk 2077
21:21 RT Reflections 1440p Cyberpunk 2077
22:30 RT Medium: 1440p Cyberpunk 2077
23:41 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra
24:51 Cyberpunk 2077 4K Ultra
26:02 High Refresh 4K settings: Cyberpunk 2077 High DLSS/FSR2 Quality
27:12 Ray Tracing: Shadow of the Tomb Raider 4K RT Ultra
27:59 Shadow of the Tomb Raider 4K Highest
28:47 Forza Horizon 5 4K Extreme
30:33 Here's why you buy a 7900 XTX: CoD MW2 4K Extreme
31:38 CoD MW2 4K Balanced
32:46 CoD MW2 1440p Extreme
33:52 CoD MW2 1440p Balanced
35:00 CoD MW2 1080p Balanced
36:05 God of War 4K Ultra (DX 11)
37:13 Horizon Zero Dawn 4K Ultimate
38:19 Final Thoughts - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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So basically, if you don't care for RT the XTX is roughly 10-15% better than the 4080 while costing 300$ less
depend on if you just play or do someting cuda depending
I've been surprised how 3080s and 6800xt have been completely out of stock for the last month when we were supposed to continue to see a sell off of last-gen GPUs for a while.
I guess people were starved for gpus? Maybe also no used cards?
I bought an RX 6900 XT a month ago because there were huge sales but now all the good deals are gone in the last gen high end segment. I wonder how many people bought last gen GPUs in the last few months.
@@valentinvas6454 yeah got a 6800xt last week since the prices of the new gen are so expensive lol, am verry happy coming from a 1060 3gb :D
There are still powercolor red devil 6800 XTs for sale on Amazon for $650. They’ve been available since Black Friday.
I bought a 6800 XT too recently. I guess current gen is the most disappointing ever for the prices and all the people who were waiting for this next gen got pissed off and just jumped on the last gen ones. But now they're out of stock/overpiced too. What an awful market time.
Really appreciate that you do 1440p benchmarks. I'm into higher refresh rates so its nice to see how well games run in 1440p.
what about us 1080 comp players... lol
I am currently with 1440p monitor and I don't want to go for 4K, because Twitch, TH-cam and basically all the content available is mainly 1080p. I would like to have a large monitor, if I go for 4K and 1080p videos looks awful on a large monitor. I am currently on 32" display and I need smaller second display, because some contents are so bad quality that I cannot watch it on 32" display.
@@Avenge_Computers you can compare modern GPUs best in 4K, the fps at 1440p can sometimes already be limited. at 1080p its more a CPU comparison as it doesnt stress the GPU enough to really compare them against each others.
@@TheManCraZy12 quite cool how it's got that point though. That we need a resolution for testing that was previously unplayable
@@Avenge_Computers Why would you buy 4080 for 1080p?
I really like your percentage averages, it put things in better perspective than if I have to then be doing the math in my head every time.
Thank you Daniel for the awesome in depth review. You did explore the different graphic settings of the games you tested, which most reviewers don't do, that makes it really helpful for making a decision on which card to get in my opinion. I really like these detailed reviews keep up the good work.
Thanks for your in depth RT comparison.
You are one of the best gpu benchmarking youtuber. Really appreciate the effort you put in your videos, very informative and entertaining, thank you. It's great to see your chanel grow so fast, you deserve it.
Thank you for sharing this Video, I am a happy man watching Cyberpunk in 4K with XTX run on FSR2 and with RT off, I can enjoy this game with awesome frame rate... I am planning to build and all AMD system next year...
yeah the best has no clue that Callisto Protocol uses UE4 and he writes UE5 oO
I wish you mentioned 1% lows and frame draw time more in these comparisons, even when the XTX was losing in average FPS, a lot of the time it had higher 1% lows and lower frame time which would give a smoother, more enjoyable experience because of the consistency.
yea nvidia often feels more jittery on the long smooth movements. the cyberpunk benchmark shows this very well. the consistent speed panning really exemplifies the importance of this factor.
@@godw1ll99I notice this constantly on my 3080
Amazing work! One of the best benchmaks I've ever seen.Thank you!
13:23 There was a slide that AMD had that said they had something in place to help with CPU overheads, I can't find the exact slide though (7900 series)
congrats on 100k, at this time, your less then 200 away, just subbed, gl and congrats!
thx for all the hardwork! I know you are showing the stats but most of the time the video is just showing the left side, almost got motion sickness trying to see the Callisto Protocol details.
Congratulations on almost 100k!
600 to go!!! Wooo hoo
I'm running the Nitro + 6700xt and 5600x combo and still getting great frame rates in 1440p with almost all max settings. I did overclock, but it's only a middle of the road OC. And I can definitely hit a cpu bottleneck if I play in 1080p, but it's very impressive fps anyway.
My 5600x is paired with a 3090. Keeps up for the most part at 3440x1440 but can start to fall off in some games with RT + DLSS, since that can get pretty CPU demanding
Thank you! Hope you get to 100k before the end of the year!
About the different things Raytracing is used for and its varying performance impact: Most likely depending on the usage of textures.
Calculating direct light vs shadows only involves geometry and no textures - and is the type of raytracing with the least impact on Radeons.
Reflections in general take 1 texture-lookup (if the material at that pixel is reflective or not) - bigger impact.
Physical based rendering (so translucent materials, glowing materials, distorting materials) - multiple texuter lookup - insane impact.
We can nicely see this with portal remix or minecraft.
Why is this the case?
Radeon used the texture-units for the ray-evaluation as they have no dedicated raytracing units. This means that if whatever raytracing is used for is involving textures then the card has to do a full switch to free up the texture-units again so they can do their job and then switch back the raytracing data. This is a huge overhead and inevitable for these type of effects. They might be able to mitigate it the same way they did it for forced async-compute - adding extra cache to speedup the context-swap - or they might in the future choose dedicated hardware (that would be a great use of chiplets )
Your new testbench looks fire bro. This has also got to be the most banger of banger videos out at this time of writing. Your analysis is very thorough and is literally better than every single other content creator on this platform. I am so glad I found your channel.
Exceptional benchmarks. Very in depth. Awesome job!
Woohoo, almost 100,000 subs. Congrats!
I have a 3080 and I'm loving the 1440p benchmarks. Buying a 4k monitor alongside the 6090 when it drops. I'm sure 4k monitors will be so much better by then. For now I'll keep enjoying 1440p. :)
Yeah it seems even the 4090 is meh for 4k
I'm exactly the same !
The nVidia driver overhead has been reported on by Hardware unboxed. They did a video on their investigation a while back detailing the issue. It's probably not a deal breaker since it generally only crops up in specific situations that aren't necessarily common.
Please elaborate
@@Anon1370 It's literally a google search to find it but here to go regardless.
Part 1 th-cam.com/video/JLEIJhunaW8/w-d-xo.html
Part 2 th-cam.com/video/G03fzsYUNDU/w-d-xo.html
@@wow_horac4663 yeh but I want you to explain it to me since you seem so knowledgeable but I guess I was wrong thinking that
Nvidia drivers suck for Warzone. Something has to be wrong with them there. Makes AMD look great for COD though.
@@Anon1370 The TLDR Is that AMD has a hardware scheduler. Nvidia does not. So their drivers have more CPU overhead.
I’ve been thinking about the weird bottleneck situation with the Callisto Protocol and am wondering if smart access memory could be affecting it. I’m not sure if you’re using Intel or Ryzen and if you are using Ryzen whether you have SAM turned on or not. I haven’t personally compared using SAM on vs off with my 7900 XTX but I just wanted to throw that out there as food for thought. According to AMD, activating SAM in some games gives a small but noticeable change in FPS, around 15% (which is probably extremely generous and cherry picked)
Great comparison. Excellent video, thank you a lot. What about doing the same comparison between RTX 4080 and 4090 in order to evaluate both cards?
There’s nothing to evaluate 4090 is better and it’s charged to wherever price they want to charge because it’s the best performer
Regarding CoD performance on AMD, CoD is a huge title with a good deal of focus on consoles. Consoles have AMD GPUs so I am sure CoD devs spent a great deal of effort optimizing for consoles, and AMD GPUs as a result.
Anything bellow 60fps, that also means minimums is a bad experience! Anyone who's games on PC for more than a few years will tell you that anything bellow 60fps is a bad experience. Now at some point we've all played bellow 60fps, when our "new" gpu's become old and they've been in our systems for 4 or 5 years, but that is what PC gamers strive for, to get that 60+fps experience with the best settings.
So to me enabling RT just to have a terrible gameplay experience is NOT worth it at all and if I need to enable fsr or dlss then what is the point of RT? RT is supposed to improve the visual quality, but then enabling fsr or dlss degrades the visual quality, so why do it?
I prefer 1440p high refresh gaming, to it looks and feels billion times better to play games at 120+fps on a 144hz monitor, then play with RT on at barely 60fps. It just doesn't make sense. High refresh gaming feels and looks much better, you do actually tend to notice the slowness of lower refresh rate when going from 120fps to 60 or 80fps.
I went with a 3070 Ti a few months ago. Got it WAY below price (new btw), because the store wanted to move inventory before the 40 series arrivel. I also wanted RTX and DLSS. I was interested.
RTX does not worth it? Sure. But for single player experience (Cyberpunk was a huge pull personally), i love it. Only the reflections that you actually notice but you *see* *it* .
For MP you would not want it. SP where the tech shines and i am happy with it. Otherwise the card is enough for my 160Hz monitor in online gaming.
I could have gotten away with a 6800 XT, maybe a stretch for the 900. Better for the price for sure. I don't love/hate either company, just wanted a good bang for buck. And as i wrote before, RTX & DLSS was the reason i went green. I am overral happy with my choice.
Ps: The price's still the same or more compared to my buy price at the time. I think thats a *W* purchase on my part! :D
100k milestone, congrats more than deserved!! You stay as you are, right? 🤠
Congratulations for 100.000 subscribers. You will hav more than 250.000 in less than a year!
Thank you Daniel! I've bought everything for my PC except the GPU. Waiting on the Lancool-216 to arrive here in the UK (mid jan) so I have a bit of patience for GPUs. Your guides have been really helpful for me deciding whether to go AMD or Nvidia, and which ones are really worth it. I'm going to wait for reviews of the 4070Ti then make my choice
Same, kinda.. i built my pc like half a year ago, and was wating to see what GPUs will come out.. i still have no idea what to buy tho.
Im still using my old 1070 in my new pc lol..
@@GamingXperience I honestly think I'm gonna use my RX580 for a little bit until something really catches my eye lol. I wanna buy one of the top end ones now, but they're all like $400 overpriced it's so hard to justify :/
Get the 4080 and don’t upgrade for at least 4 years maybe?
Just Rembrandt. The h264 encoded on amd is non existent and if you want to play vr in the future....go nvidia.
@@ayyorta I'd probably wait it out too if I were you. I don't think the 4070Ti is going to make much of a difference in the value proposition this generation. Maybe AMD will surprise with decently priced mid-range options, but it seems unlikely.
A good compilation of the data.
What I miss in the price comparison, however, is the reference to the follow-up costs. The 4080 has rarely reached the 300 W mark in all the videos, while both the 3080 and the rtx have a standard consumption of 330 - 350 W.
I don't know the energy prices in the US, but here in Europe they are currently very high (up to 0.70 Euro (around 0.74 USD) per kWh in Germany for example).
A gross consumption of, in some cases, more than 100W makes a non-negligible difference.
74 cents per KwH is ridiculous, and I feel for you guys over there. Right now where I live in Indiana its 8.1 cents per KwH, with the avg for the State being 12 cents and avg for the US as a whole at 16 cents.
Well the energy turns into heat so. Just means i gotta run my space heater less.
Guess its a waste in summer tho. I actually put my processor to mine XMR when sleeping. Consumes about 200 watts and gives a littlebit back in crypto to help pay for the heating bill.
I altso have a 5 old gpus mining, barely making any money. But they work as my space heater, gets turned off in summer. And the 35 euro my "spaceheater" miner makes per month, isnt going to make me rich. It helps to pay the energy bill thats so crazy right now.
I live in Norway tho, and we heat mostly with electricity. I guess you heat more with natural gas in down in Europe from what ive understood? So if i heat with a space heater, or a miner. Does not matter much, except the somewhat higher investment cost of gpus. All the energy turns into heat i need anyways.
What's everyones thoughts on GPU longevity when maxing out the power delivery during overclocking? The Sapphire Nitro 7900XTX can pump 480W into the RDNA3 card whilst still maintaining reasonable temperatures. Any chance that this could have a detrimental effect on the cards function over 4-5years?
I doubt it, any really negative effect on the hardware should be next to impossible (limited by non-interactable software by the manufacturer).
In the past you could run a GPU out of spec without too much effort & possibly break it. Nowadays you'd have to really try hard to do that, changing any sliders in accessible software too far will either lose you performance due to error correction, crash & reboot the GPU/system or work just fine.
For situations where the gpu is cpu limited, such as the 7900 xtx in MW2 or Warzone, does core count make a big difference? 4 cores vs 6 cores vs 8 cores plus? Or is clock speed, maybe cache bigger factors?
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Depends on the Resolution but MW2 and wz2 are very CPU bounded Games so If U have a cpu with more cores U will See better fps at 1440p or lower. There is enough Videos Here on YT that proof that. As far as i know the 13600kf and higher or the 5800x3d and higher are the best CPUs for WZ1 or WZ2.
yes core count does play a big part in wz performance. the 13900k and 7950x are the fastest (intel is faster with the right mem config), but the difference between those and the lower core count skus isn’t worth it imo.
Core count above 8-10 really doesn't help. But more cache does. Which is why the bigger core CPUs perform better. They simply have more cache. That's why when the new Ryzen 3DV-Cache processors come out in January. They will be the best processor on the market for gaming.
i have bought a 6800xt at msrp in november '21 and i play in 1440p high refresh rate with near all games. The rtx performance aren't good as a 3080, but with fsr and with this resolution, is not a huge problem. In Vr (i play on quest2 connected to pc) it perform very well (resolution x 1.3 @90hrz in all games, x 1.3 @120hrz or 1.4@90hrz in some games). with this assumption, i think that is not worth the upgrade to amd 7000 or nvindia 4000
Very Epic and massive work - thanks for that, glad I've found your channel :)
This video just confirms that I am still good to go for a while with my 3080. Thanks for all the bench marking and deep dives you put out. I know that is a lot of work and time.
why wouldnt you be ? The card is only from 1 prior generation ??
you won't really need a new card for a WHIIILE I been using a 2060 super for the past like 3 years still goin stronk
@@aidenh4681 yea i used my 1080ti for 5 years, i believe its about equiv to a 2070 super. i game at 1440pp.. tons of games like metro exodus.. doom.. all the resident evils. And so many others i actually still get 100-144 fps maxed out.
In other games like total war wargammer 3.. i get about 50-70 fps but with some graphics turned down a notch or two. Only in stupid games like cyberpunk and stuff did my fps go to unplayable.
Now with that being said i did sell my 1080ti recently for 260$ and i bought a used 6900xt with a waterblock for 600$.. which is a good deal specially with the block.. since i have custom watercooling already. My fps went up to 130fps in warhammer using the same settings.. and 60-90 maxed out. So still higher than the ti when it had stuff turned down.
Cyberpunk is playable now at like 70-80fps. And im happy. I refuse to pay 900-1600$ for a video card. Yes i know a 4070ti is coming for 800$ .. but i dont habe 800$ and that other 200$ i saved id use for a 5800x 3d.
But i guess my point is.. anyone who has a card from last gen who wonder if they gatta upgrade is insaine lol. Unless theyre gamung at 4k or something.. lol
@@aidenh4681 People with 3080's like myself love turning everything to Ultra with maxed out Raytracing but hate seeing FPS go below 60 😆 I mean we did just spend ~$1K on a GPU within recent years and it can't handle the new Witcher 3 upgrade!
@@addictedtoRS FYI the witcher 3 upgrade is broke....I have a 4080 n push 60 FPS with everything maxed (full RT with no DLSS) and its unplayable....hell even with RT disabled 100+ fps and its still unplayable, the micro stutters make it feel like you're playing with 30 fps....looks beautiful but I personally wont be playing it till they fix it (IF they fix it)
Congratulations 🍾 on the 100k subscribers
I think you want to adjust the rivatuner stats into the middle of the screen in future videos like this so you can center the gameplay you show in a comparison like this.
One of your best videos man. Down to Earth and Straight forward
Loved the fact you’ve added CoD MW to the testing. No surprise your work is getting recognized! To 100k and above!
Keep up the good work!
I guess I’ll stick to the 7900 xtx, if I can find one here in Europe (at a reasonable price)
I got one coming today. Very Excited. I mainly play MW2 and WZ2 so it will be nice to run maxed out settings at 1440p and still get crazy frames. 7900X3D will compliment it soon also.
@@zkilla4611 lucky you :)
Where did you get it from?
does the 3080 6900xt push competitive frames low latency in fps games ? 240 - 360hz or the new gen cards? that is the comp fps gamers like my son are targeting?
Useful video. Great work there!
Will you compare 7900XT with 6800XT?
I wanted a RT 7900 XTX however here in the UK I brought 4080 for £1099 and all RT 7900 XTX started at £1199!!! (at that time of buying) and the stock for the RT 7900 xtx have been quite non-existent not even sure if the UK got any stock on the release day.
Also note the 3080 is about £200 cheaper, the 3080 TI is only a little bit cheaper (£50 however a few are the same price) and the 3090 TI is more expensive !!!
It's a weird market right now. Prices are all over the place. That's a great deal on a 4080 though. Technically.
Where did you buy a 4080 for that money I want one too. Unless you bought it on eBay
Congratulations on 100k subscribers! You deserve it.
Hey Daniel, good content! Would you consider doing benchmarks at high settings instead of extreme/ultra settings? I ask because most of the times there is little difference between extreme and high but the performance hit is massive. My 4K C1 OLED is very happy.
I did a bunch in this video
@@danielowentech can you make benchmark on ultrawide
The Callisto Protocol RT isn't cpu limited as it is memory bandwidth limited on the cpu. For some reason bvh calculations are easier on branch prediction with amd gpus maybe? Once you use Intel with ddr5 7600+ manually tuned Nvidia pulls out a win as expected with RT on. Gotham Knights had a similar issue as well. Maybe something that might show up more often in future UE titles.
No RT is also CPU heavy, and Nvidia has a higher CPU overhead. It's been tested and confirmed by Hardware Unboxed. Can be up to 30% depending on the game.
@@The_Noticer. Yeah Nvidia doesn't have a hardware scheduler IIRC.
You're doing exactly what I would hope for TH-camrs to do with their "free" cards from these companies. Run countless tests and comparisons and serve the consumers who are looking to make a smart purchase for their situation.
but he isnt serving the consumer. everyone elses test the 4080 loses in all but dlss vs fsr and rt. otherwise it gets spanked by a xtx in almost all titles.
and he doesnt have sam activated either.
@@sadssadsa5944 that's okay, it's still more available education than if he hadn't posted it. Also the whole amd vs Nvidia thing really depends on the title for this generation which this comparison demonstrates perfectly...
@17% no it doesn't.
This comparison on every other tech tubers and xtx wins over 4080.
It's simply a better card bar dlss and rt.
And with Sam activated not even close.
SAM and reBar are both enabled in my testing. The 7900 xtx is slightly faster on average in pure rasterization, but both win some and lose some on a game by game basis. Once RT and DLSS vs FSR are factored in, the 4080 takes a noticeable lead. But it costs more and has less VRAM. I'd definitely take the 4080 over the xtx if they cost the same. But they don't. You just need to decide if the extra cost is worth the extra features and RT performance. If my testing isn't enough here's a good meta analysis of a bunch of launch reviews showing the 4080 has about 96.9% of the rasterized 4k performance of the xtx: www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/zqptli/amd_radeon_rx_7900_xt_xtx_meta_review/?
@@danielowentech do u use amd or intel cpu?
congratulations on 100k well deserved
Almost at 100K.
Way to go Daniel!
Bought a 4080 last night. It’s my first card. Coming from PS5. This card rips through everything I throw at it . Amazing.
Yep, consoles are very weak still I wonder when they will become properly powerful to handle RT etc etc seems like a must have tbh as the gap between console and PC perf grows larger and larger, but maybe I’m wrong idk
Yeah, still a shame that most of the best games are still PS exclusive :(. But I think the next gen PS will cost also around $1200 to compete with the PC's
why do you not have the power draw from the 7900 in the data? i mean, i already have a 4080 and i know that it uses less power than the amd card but still, it is nice seeing just exactly how much more power efficient it is
He explained at the start that it just didn't work for whatever reason.
If the 7XXX series GPUs report power using the same system as 6XXX series it's useless anyway since they don't report the power used by the complete board (I.E. the whole GPU).
The 7900 xtx (Stock) has a fixed powerdraw of 350W in "gamining" Mode and up to 120 W in normal Desktop Mode. IgorsLab did a big comparision and testsetup to benchmark everything.
Congrats on 100k!
Hardware Unboxed proved that Nvidia has higher cpu driver overhead in dx12.
They did a video about this on 2021-03-11 : th-cam.com/video/JLEIJhunaW8/w-d-xo.html
The Forza Horizon results really lay it bare. 100% gpu utilization for the 7900 xtx, 76% gpu utilization for the 4080.
Both of the 4080 and the 7900xtx are really good gpu really really bad priced. Saying the 7900xtx is a better deal than the 4080 is just dumb thought when the opponent is already almost 300 to 400 bucks overpriced and add to it the scalping price of the customs... Tbh i wish gaming community just stop buying those new gen GPU and dong even buy those upcoming overpricing 3000 series rn. Thats criminal and shouldn't be allowed buy consumer protection agency
Hei, great video. Have you noticed how 7900xtx clock is all over the place from 2300-2900 depending on game while 4080s clock is 2760 almost all the time ? In CoD where it performed the best it clocked itself sometimes to almost 3000mhz.
7900xtx should open more than 500W.
Great video once again Daniel, definitely one of the best upcoming youtubers out there!
So they are basically the same thing, unless you play 24/7 cyberpunk 2077 (Nvidia) or COD 2 (AMD)...
Buy the cheaper card you can find.
Here in Canada I ordered my XFX RX 7900 XTX for CAD$ 1599, and NVIDIA RTX 4080 was $1699... funny thing is, my AM5 build costed $1500 after taxes... and I got 280mm AIO, 1tb nvme, am5 motherboard, 32gb ddr5 ram 6000hz, 7600x, etc, so nothing cheap, but I got everything on black friday!
Im switching from vega 64 which is equivalent of gtx 1080, so to me, its a huge upgrade. Im neither an AMD fanboy or NVIDIA, Im more like a value type of person, and rtx 4090 isnt in stock otherwise I would have had got it... and Im going to, IF my AMD card is noise or overheats like many people are claiming it does.
Would love to see a comparison of how Ryzen 5000 measures up to the Ryzen 7000 series when using a 3080, 7900 xtx, and 4080. Thanks for the great videos!
since he shows the gpu utilisation. as long as they are pretty much 100% you wont really see an average difference,
not surprised that the 7900XTX is going better at RT in a CPU intensive RT especially given that it's been known that Nvidia drivers has a higher CPU overhead usage compared to AMD.
How does one test the performance of a driver? I'd honestly like to see something that proves that.
I recently bought a set up with a Ryzen 7900x cpu and no GPU ... I was wondering if it's worth to pay for a 7900xt or just wait for another drop on 7900xtx ... Or maybe neither of those are good options
amazing video. I actually ended up getting lucky other day went to three diffrent microcenters and found 1 powercolor 7900xtx that had been returned a day before was on clerance at 899.99. Upgraded from a 6800xt, love this thing. Not a huge RT fan so the perf to price of this thing is amazing.
@AmpEdition 5120x1440, but also i was sick and tired of the insane coil whine after 2 years of dealing with it on the 6800xt
@@kireyeve3767then why would you buy PowerColor gpu? They are known for their coil whine problem especially the Hellhound
Looks like I’ll be holding onto my 3080 for another 2 years. No reason to upgrade especially at those prices. I would want a 100% performance increase if I’m going to even spend $800-$1000 on a GPU. I went from a 2070 Super ($500) to a 3080 ($800) in Dec 2020.That was a big jump in performance.
Did the exact same upgrade, at the same time. The only GPU with a similar uplift if I were to upgrade this gen is the 4090, and that is more than double the price compared to my expensive 3080 (900€ vs. 2100€, the 2070s was 500€).
wait a gen and get a second hand 4090 that thing is a beast, if it's cheap ofcourse
@@Monolitus7 All depends on the 50 series, my gut tells me the 50 series will compare like the 30 after the 20 series.
I went from a $200 GTX960 in 2015 to the 6800XT last month for about $400. That's a 6-times performance uplift for only double the price. I like it a lot. lol
damn, a 3080 for 800 dollars. That's insane, when I went to buy GPUs I saw 3070s costing that much 😭
I'll have my 7900xtx coming today, yay. However if you are thinking of building a computer, I suggest getting a used 3080 as it is a beast of a card. Computers are hobby of mine and I had 3080, great card and enough juice to play every game on good settings.
Agree. XTX and 4080, 4090 are not for the average gamer. I just enjoy building and I'll sell my 3080 TI at some point. Unless I am unhappy with AMD. This is my 1st AMD run.
6800 for 500 bucks..a lot Better value of 3080
Is anyone able to confirm please if Ryzen 7000 CPUs can output 4k at 120Hz using the integrated GPU through a HDMI 2.1 port on the motherboard?
I bought a pc set up few months ago. Got a 3080ti and get 115 fps on 4k for cod, is that good?
really amazing the 4080 , below 60ºC at only 1.252rpm , really impressive
Yeh my 3090 has been a really cool card I was surprised compared to the 6800xt I bought together at the time to decide which I was keeping the 6800xt was hotter I believe it that the 4080 has good temps also
Oh wow, 4080 managing 4k high with hardware RT on in UE5 Fortnite while being at lower than 300w? An amazing card ruined by bad pricing. Still, curious that there is no wattage for 7900XTX in this video, heard that it really sucks so much power when RT is on.
I think the 4080 prices will come down relatively quickly. They aren't selling that well here in the UK and the 4090 is actually the much better value card lol.
Power draw for the 7900 XTX is the same RT off/on, 345W (I have a reference powercolor)
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe crazy seeing so many in stock here the UK. Went to NVidia's site as I was wanting a reference one and somehow even those are in stock. I am honestly just gonna wait as I see them going to 999, or maybe 1050?.
@@lilpain1997 eventually I can see them being 999. People are still just getting an rtx 3080 or a 6800xt and calling it a day.
They’ll maybe go to £1099. Problem is 4070ti is edging in that £1000 zone…
Just wondering, in terms of ray traced image quality (without DLSS/FSR) i.e. how beautiful the game looks. Which is better AMD or Nvidia?
AWSOME VIDEO DANILE! THANK YOU SO MUCH
1 percent lows much better on the 7900XTX compared to the 4080. I would rather have higher 1 percent lows than overall FPS.
And more vram
Only 4090 worth it over the 3080.. You had a test in Calisto protocol that was 119% faster than a 3080.... Nothing else needs to be said
Calisto protocol is a complete and utter mess though, i wouldnt base any choice i make on that game.
@@Cptraktorn It shows 90%+ improvement in most games
You cherry picked the worst result? Talk about a confirmation bias
Excellent video. great comparison.
Hi, I'm interested in playing games with FullHD resolution because I am using a TV and can't see the difference in quality between 4K and Fullhd. But I can tell tell the difference in 60fps vs 120, so I would like to target 120fps. Also I don't want to use upscaling and still would like to use max RT. In europe the AMD and NVIDIA gap is bigger than in US. Also, previous gen seems to have disappeared. Would 7900XTX deliver with this usage case or should I wait for 4070 or save up to 4080?
I'd be surprised if 4070 doesn't hit 120fps in Full HD
What we're seeing so far is that Nvidia's main advantage is RT in most titles. When you remove RT and DLSS/FSR, AMD cards for the same price will put out better framerates.
i like how i watch these videos knowing damn well i won’t get a card like this in at least 3 years
Smart move, no use in throwing your money away with these high end cards. Wait a couple years and get one used that's half the price
@@Bdot888 "throwing away"... you know for some people 1200$ is not that much... other people have horses, tune their cars etc etc. gaming is still a very cheap hobby.
@@PrefoX price to performance is just not there. If the price to performance was better then yes the $1,200 price tag could be worth it. But at BEST the 4080 is 40-50 percent more performance but for almost double the price of the 3080
This was excellent and showed exactly what I was looking for personally. 4k and 4k rt on/off.
I’m happy I’m sticking with my 4080. Id still be happy even if I had an XTX. Still very good performance from both at 4k. I do prefer having RT when it makes sense.
Out of curiosity, what program generates the CPU/GPU/RAM performance information on the screen?
Msi afterburner, you have to go in the setting to turn it on
@@BoomChing Great, thanks!
My 1st TH-cam comment in many many months. First, great presentation as always man. One can tell youre a teacher. Im a 43 yo bartender with degrees in Electronics Tech and Mgmnt Info Sys with a father that was a Comuter Science professor for 51 years(just a little backgound). I just have one question.
Why dont you customize the RTSS on screen display?
The stock setup of the rows of data came be very confusing to the begining novice. Anytime I watch a GPU video on the TV at work I have to explain the numbers on the screen to whomever is watching. Think about please. Other than that I love youre content. Cant believe how fast youre growing. I think you had about 1500 subs the 1st time I watched ya. Congrats. Before you know it youll be at 1,000,000 subs.👍
I honestly give 0 shits about ray tracing, and the only work i do on my computer is Zoom. I picked up my 7900xtx for 930 bucks today! cant beat that
im gonna wait on this gen or possibly till next gen. im curious if after around 6-8 months of driver updates on the 7900xtx and see how much it improves. take a look at the 6000 series they perform way better now then when they launched. one thing i notice is amd improves greatly over the life of the generation as where nvidia starts strong and pretty much stays as is because they got the drivers right at the start.
for now ill stick with my 6800xt though it does 1440p very well.
Wait for the 5000 series bro, by then the software side of things will have matured (it’s still infant stages for 4000 series) and hopefully the 5080 has better value than the 4080 compared to their 90 tier counterparts.
I really do not understand upgrading from 6800xt when it is a perfectly capable card at the moment...!
@@aiatgamer375 do more then just game so it will get upgraded sometime sooner then later.
I do agree though it does shine at 100-144fps 1440p max settings except for a slim handful of games.
What software are you using for the telemetry?
I have a question about cpus and if being on 1-5% usage while playing games is normal or not? If you could get back to me I would really appreciate it
The answer is that it depends on the game & the CPU in question.
Some games are coded to only use a single thread on the CPU for most of their logic. If you ran a CPU with a lot of cores & multithreading it's not unreasonable to see very low utilisation expressed in %.
For me it seems like amd had something really wrong in their drivers / gpu architecture.
So huge difference in their own titles (mw2 / Callisto) was not a case for 6000 series.
7900xt slightly faster than 6900 while have pretty much same CU counts and wastly outnuber old gpu in cache size that is important.
Dude its a totally brand new architecture with totally brand new driver of course they have A LOT of work to do to make it work really, really well ...
4080 is a beast, wish it was cheaper so more people can get one.
$1200 is a bargin here in Europe :), cheapest here is around $1600.
@@soulonr419 Gotta keep the King happy. 😁
Is there a 3060ti vs 6700xt vs A770 Fortnite UE 5.1 benchmark for the mainstream users? Very interested in seeing how UE 5.1 w/ w/o HW raytracing performs on those three brands.
Unfortunately my Intel A770 is crashing with nanite on. I have all 3 GPUs but Intel not having a frame counter (only games that have counters built in) it makes it hard to do the comparison in most games. I also have a super ultrawide 240hz monitor so yea lol working on this in another channel
@@Mrhandyhitman I really hope Intel can get their drivers in order soon. If they do, I'd get an A770 in an instant. Screw nvidia. Prices of graphics cards all over the place.
Daniel would you feel comfortable buying a reference 7900 XTX card right now given the heating issues?
I wouldn't at this point in time, instead I'd look for a reasonably priced (not much higher than Reference MSRP) AIB model. That is, unless you like tinkering with it, since it seems the problem is somewhat fixable by the end-user. There's just no 1 size fits all fix for a possibly thermal throttling AMD reference model.
Great review! One important thing is missing: the energy usage of the 7900XTX. It performs similar to the 4080 while consuming > 25% energy. (300 watt vs 440 watt under load)
Most I’ve seen my Merc 310 XTX pull is 404watts and that was in cyberpunk at 2960mhz. No overclock though.
Lies. Xtx is more efficient 🤡 why would amd straight up lie in their slides? If they did then amd fans wouldn’t be as supportive as they r, it’s not like we’re delusional lol
At these prices the power does not matter, even at 50 Cents/kWh as currently in Germany. + 50 watts and playing 2000h/year is 50€ for electricity
@@Drip7914 I’ll be honest it’s not as efficient as I thought it would be but it’s still pulling way less than my 3080 ti. That thing was pulling close to 460 from the wall, this cards much more efficient, way faster is raster, and also has better RT than my 3080 ti.
*300 vs 350
Stoked to see 5080 benchmarks b/c this gen is getting a skip, for me at least.
Just curious. Would it be possible to just buy 2 3080s and hook them up, and wouldn't that produce really good FPS and performance, if I had the power for it?
Congratss on 100k!!!
As a 3080 owner I approve this video 😜👍
I bought the 7900XTX but it performed worse than my 3080! Not sure what the problem was but ended up returning it.
Strangely enough I had similar experience . I returned mine just because the coil whine was driving me insane . I was running a 5800x3d at 1440p and saw no difference
Strangely enough I had similar experience . I returned mine just because the coil whine was driving me insane . I was running a 5800x3d at 1440p and saw no difference
What is the problem with 1080p epyc setting and eveything maxing out? 😲 What is the reason for 4K? 😲
Can you like explain too us why the tsr looks so good I have a 1080p monitor and can barely see a difference till I go below 60% on Fortnite it’s so weird
Funny to notice that at this moment for the current pricing the better option for a new high end card is the 7900XT that is sold at the same price of the 3080 but is much faster
Yes, but no one wants to go against the grain. Just look for what will give you an experience you will enjoy at the lowest price. For many that would be the 7900xt, but simply because it may have less relative value people seemingly are just pretending it doesn't exist and recommending that everyone should just spend more money for an experience that may be no different for them. It of course may go down in price in 1-2 months but that's the nature of tech market. Can wait a bit and maybe save, or buy now to start experiencing it earlier.
Based on where nvidia prices the 4070ti will determine how much Amd will lower the price of the xt. Whatever it may be if Amd lowers it $100+ less than the 4070ti , then the xt may be my recommended for this gen. The 20gb vram is nice and doesnt look like nvidia will have anything close to that in that price range. The 4070ti will always have the ray tracing advantage but it's getting to the tier where the ray tracing isn't as important, or you would undoubtedly only be using it at 1440p with upscaling.
Yep. I bought a 7900xt. Card is wild good.
@123subject I am in Canada, so it was a $197 CAD difference after exchange and taxes. Not huge, but it amounted to a 13.5% savings over the XTX Canadian pricing which I was happy with.
@@mikem2253 13.5% savings vs 20 - 25% performance loss…
@@Drip7914 17% slower on average per Hardware Unboxed at 4k.
I went for the 4080 for 4k gaming because I couldn't put my hands on a new last gen gpu that had a fair price.. Also some graphics settings are heavily taxing on performance while having a slight appearance change... so I'm sure i'll be fine with that card for at least 3 years of 100fps+ 4k gaming, wether I lower graphics or use DLSS.
Edit: I exchanged it for a 4090, I don't really like DLSS after all.. certain people say there's barely a difference but there's definitely more blurriness.. Having a 4k monitor I'd rather use the full clarity.. Dlss3 can be helpful for slow games but the added input lag makes me want to lower graphics instead but stay 4k.. Im power limiting the 4090 to 70% because I use a 750w psu, and maybe I get 5% loss of performance. My card almost never heats up above 50-55c I got the msi gaming trio, was having a bad coil whine but it wears down now I dont have any issues.
Thanks for making even another great video explaining about the latest GPUs! But now I have a question, because I want to upgrade from my RTX 2070 to something newer, but I'm not sure if it's better to go RTX 3080-3090 or even TI for those or go for 6900 or 7900, whatever has the best price at the time :(
Why not wait for 40XX ? Your card is still very good. Just wait a few month.
@@safebet5841 simple, I'm from a third world country where a simple GPU price is more expensive than the price on the entire setup on USA/Europe with values converted. So I have a opportunity to go to Netherlands for work for 1 week in about 1 month, so I want to try and buy something super cheap while there. I was thinking about AMD 60xx (dont know which is better) or if on the same price or near, 4080, because of Ray Tracing
rx 6000 prices are great right now! something like the 6800 could be a great deal
@@halocubed6788 Thank you! Does 6800 perform nice with Ray Tracing or meh? I mean, for 1080p or maybe 1440p in the future
@@LeonardoRinaldiYautja amd unfortunately has bad ray tracing performances. I have a 6700 xt and never use ray tracing because it’s just plain bad on amd. Ray tracing also isn’t that important to me, that’s why i bought amd
What 3080 12gb model do you have?
I wish there was someone doing detailed benchmark analysis like this for PCVR titles
That would require games that look better than 2011 games. Vr games just aren't that demanding, half life alyx runs great on any Rtx 2000 card or 6000 amd cards. These new Gpus would just run them at like 200fps. Even fortnite right now is twice as demanding as the best looking vr game (HL alyx) since I can barely run fortnite now and with HL alyx I'm running it comfortably.
@Gerson Gaete I don't want to tear you down or anything, but this level of misinformation is exactly why I wish someone would do detailed benchmarking for PCVR games. VE games don't look as good because VR is hard, and needs more horsepower. It means these new high end cards are even MORE relevant for VR than they are for flat gaming
@@gersongaete1574 saying VR games aren’t demanding is just blatantly false
Amd doesn't work on all VR what do you want to compare?
@@gersongaete1574 You should see how demanding unreal engine 5 is on VR, or a new vr game like Hubris that looks amazing.
Gotta love that you can easily get a 7900XT for msrp, but the XTX is either gone or heavily inflated everywhere. I'm kinda surprised that it seems like people are actually smart enough to know the XT is overpriced. This morning there were XTX listings on Newegg for $2000 (third party seller), but they were gone after a few hours. Don't know if they sold or if Newegg removed them.
The XT is a bit maybe, but in reality it overclocks really well and can surpass a stock 4080 pretty easily. Hell, there are quite a few reports of them beating XTX cards.
@@PineyJustice Well yeah the 4080 is overpriced, but I am talking about within AMD's stack. When looking at the XT vs the XTX, it seems to me that you'd always just fork out the extra $100 if you're already looking at cards that expensive. Some of the custom XT's are $1000 too, while the Powercolor Hellhound XTX is $1000, so you're just paying the same price for a not insignificant reduction in baseline performance.
@@Jooglesberry It's not a significant reduction in performance though, sure it could be 100 bucks cheaper but it's not terribly priced. Refusing to tune AMD chips is utterly stupid, they've gotten better sure, but baseline is almost always terribly tuned.
@@Jooglesberry Additionally, people are still buying 3080ti and 3090 cards for over a thousand to 1400$ while 7900xt cards are readily available at 900, the 7900xt absolutely demolishes a 3090 at pretty much everything while having nearly the same RT performance.
@@PineyJustice Anyone buying 30 series cards for that much is completely insane.
Need suggest.. RTX 3080 10Gb or RX 7900 XT? all 2nd hand and same price. Right now use RX 6650 XT. Oh and i want to experience RT (even on Low RT setting)
7900 xt in my opinion
Why do you compare the high end AMD vs the 3080 or the 4080 and not the direct competitor like the 3090/4090?
Right now I am strongly considering getting a 6900xt here in the UK for £650. I was planning on a 3080 but they cost at least 700 so obviously AMD makes more sense. (also screw nvidia)
The problem is I have waited so long I can't get out of the 'why not wait' loop. My other option is wait, get a cheaper card like a 6700 xt for £400 to hold me over until I can get a better card next year (but this seems excessive when I am willing to get a 6900xt and the prices of new cards seem not worth it to say the least).
I want other than my 980ti for all the games coming out next year so I would think feb/march is the longest I would wait anyways.
The 6900xt from a 980ti is going to be like some alien shit, trust me, it was coming from a rog strix 1080ti OC edition.
main thing is to stay with 1080p gaming because as Daniel's tests show us even 4090 barely can run new games at 60 fps in 1440p, what a joke, 5xxx series won't do it also just will cost more
@@Funny_Milkman 4090 can definitely run new games at 1440p 60 fps?
Get a 3080 instead, thank me later, the DLSS and RT perf is well worth it, plus is it even that much more expensive these days?
@@George-um2vc 6900xt demolishes a 3080 at everything but RT, so I guess if you want your games to run poorly, be overly bright and overly shiny sure.