The fact that Rubin doesn't understand how the US is viewed just demonstrates he is sat in a bubble. Rory is absolutely correct that the world looks at US attitudes and sees it is going back to pre-WWII attitudes. It is seen as being weaker than it was in the past. During the Cold War no one thought the US was weak. So having a Chinese growing power isn't what people are reacting to as Rubin suggests. It is the attitudes of both left and right in the US who are becoming more introspective.
I'm glad you also see it this way. People in the comments seem to think an interview like this is a fight, where one side wins and the other side is "DESTROYED!" I enjoyed both Rubin's and Rory's fighting spirit. The aim ought to be to gain understanding through arguments, not to have one's tribal champion defeat the other.
@@letMeSayThatInIrish We have lost the art of being able to disagree, debate and enter a powerful discourse which engages everyone. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Whilst I really enjoy this podcast / video channel, it is the robust exchange of ideas between people who are different, with different ideas and political persuasion’s attempting to forge a better road for the future. I like it equally when Alistair gets pushback from their guests. Keep up the great work on this channel!
Sadly, I disagree. Rubin could have contributed more usefully to the debate by staying grounded. He seemed more intent on undermining / agitating Rory and putting him 'in his place' which suggests he felt on shaky ground himself.
You are a beacon of light Rory,. I am both inspired and comforted when listening to you debate issuers and the more I discover about you the brighter you shine in my eyes. You are a true giant amongst men.
@@nicennice Going to be hard to regulate open source software, across the entire world. They can't control social media sites, so I have no idea how they can regulate AI?
@@dddz961 Yes, I agree with you. Much as I enjoy listening to him I think he was comprehensively schooled by Rubin, who was aggressive but more realistic.
He keeps trying to unsettle Rory, who he has designated an 'enemy' rather than listen to what's said, he's looking for something to attack. I think this is representative of most american discourse I've seen. James is also extremely american-centric. For example "conspiracy theories began with JFK"
The reason for distrust in authority is really very simple. It's because the answer to any challenge is no longer "You're wrong, please let me convince you why." Now it's, "You're wrong, shut up, and you're a horrible person for questioning me."
I think that I would add that the reason of this is the changing habits of the electorate. Back in the 19th century, propaganda for many policies came in the form of long passages in broadsheets explaining policies (of course you would get "penny dreadful" news papers however those were mainly for the poor who initially couldn't vote). Since television and social media however, a more intellectual style of publicity is easily outstripped by simple messages. I believe (and this is entirely theoretical) that we could return to proper politics with little multiple choice questions on the ballot paper which you have to get right as well as fifty word explainers of a particular policy. The explainers would not be checked over and the answers to the multiple choice would likely be publicised by friends and politicians as soon as the questions came out. However the purpose is to at least incentivise more intellectual habits into the electorate.
Rory is completely correct about AI. There is very little reason to be optimistic about AI regulation. Watermarking, ‘misinformation protection’, etc will not last for long.
I think that this goes to show that the American huckster approach doesnt work in the UK. If this is what we get for American diplomats, it would explain a lot.
He's a good example of showing how people in positions of more or less power are still all human, and prone to the same mistakes and biases as the rest of us mere mortals.
This was a superb discussion with two experienced and knowledgeable diplomats and politicians. I wish I had watched this when it was first released, rather than a week later
This guy likes to play the victim “ the use of ‘you’…”. He claims access to the back rooms of US foreign policy then distances himself from those policies. To no one’s surprise he is playing both sides of the fence. That’s what he does .
I really enjoyed this discussion. Logical and explorative - dissecting the issues instead of sound bites - despite the American approach to "debate" i thought the diplomat was right in challenging the sweeping statements by Rory. Thank you
Quite enjoyed this. Alistair sittng there smirking was the icing on the cake. These two seem to be able to have a bt back of forth wthout taking it to heart though.
He seemed so prickly. He took Rory’s “you” personally and got defensive about his own positions, when it was obviously referring to the whole of the US with no assumption that Jamie agreed with the US’s actions. His hackles were up at Rory calling his position on AI regs “naive”, when he could have just defended his position. The “naive” was a comment on a single view of his, not a judgement on his whole personality. When he defends himself he goes straight to a call to authority “I’ve been working in the area for 25 years”, rather than focusing on issues. I don’t know anything about diplomacy so maybe I’m being naive myself, but I was surprised that he didn’t negotiate the conflict without making it personal.
Then why is the UK opinion even relevant as UK influence is just a shdow of the US?. It is like a mediocre teamplayer acusing the best player on te team for not playing well..
@PMMagro that's exactly the problem, all of Europe (minus France) have become too dependent on America for military power, foreign diplomacy, and economic security. America is weakening. We must awaken to that fact and become self sustainable again. To fix the problem, we must realise and criticise it first , that is what I am doing and what others like Rory are doing.
Tech industry in a nutshell right now. I just read an interview with a psychologist who sits on an advisory board at Meta -- she'll probably step down now after 3 years as she's become convinced she's been used. They never listened to her, they never even intended to listen to her. We need much more regulation globally.
Alastair recommended "Critical conversations" by Jospeh Grenny et al a couple of months ago and I can now, also, highly recommend it. That conversation was something of a case study - to be reflected upon :)
Rory is 100% right on AI. If the US Govt really believes they want to be regulated because “the last time they didn’t do it right”, they’re in for a rude awakening
I’d say that’s a draw. RS and JR both got under the other’s skin. I think RS tends to fight uphill though by trying to root the conversation in detail.
This does feel like one of those moments in history when an empire is coming towards the end of it's time, and it cannot see why everyone on the outside has a negative view of it. The British establishment still harks back to days of our empire and don't see it's negative effect on the world, it is inevitable that the US 'insiders' would fail to see the extent to which it's star is waning...
Gentlemen Just a question if I may - sad that the broadcast was stopped after 18 minutes just when it was arriving at the crux of it I thought. Is there like to be a continuation please?
Well this could be a nice chat in an Oxbridge pub near you. The reality is that Alastair and Rory (brilliant and incisive though they are) currently have as much political influence as the latest viral TicToc video given our present batch of social media, knee jerk politicians the UK has. conversely James Rubin is currently Special Envoy and Coordinator of the U.S. State Department's Global Engagement Center. So rightly or wrongly and naive or not, to me, Rubin is the only one who carries a real world stick.
Rory and Alastair do not pretend to be Special Envoy Coorodinators, they interview them debate with them, and point out their weaknesses, prejudices, vanity and naivity!!!!! And if Robin does carry a real world stick with a skin as thin as his and his inability to give legitimacy to an opposing view, it's no wonder the world is in the mess it is.
I thought I was listening to an episode of “the West Wing”. This guy sounds exactly like John Spenser who played Leo Magarry, President Bartlett’s Chief of Staff.
about the ai companies asking for regulation. I think that's more about building a moat for smaller companies and open source models can't compete, more than it is "wanting to do right."
His upset with the word nieve was a dodge from the question “what are your concerns about AI”. Rory might’ve said “everyone is nieve about AI, it’s emergent”
I love how he completely misses the point where all empires fall apart and its not just British cynicism, god i love watching Americans think they can keep their empire running whilst its collapsing around them faster than the amazons ecosystems
Listening to their pod for a while I've witnessed two regular vices of Rory's. The first, he has a temper. It gets in the way, and you often hear him later having to apologise to people. It crosses the line of adversarial questioning into rudeness, and makes the other shut down. It's seen over and over in this exchange. The second is he has premature closure toward deeper reflection on the consequences, or broader need, for the austerity he endorsed. With one hand he will reflect with good evidence base on something, and then as soon as the word austerity is mentioned the equivalence and nuance drops and its "nope, its all we had as a responsible government". the introspective meditation retreats he goes on, that are "life-changing", could salve both, causing a wider gap between stimulus-response, as well as reflecting more on the consequences of his behaviour in the past. because, rest assured, there is significant UK-wide excess morbidity and mortality due to the consequences of austerity, Brexit and covid response, and without the likes of Rory propping up 14 years of conservatism, he served for 2/3 of that time under their banner, it wouldn't have happened.
Rory is spot on. Not to discredit anything Mr. Rubin has achieved in his diplomatic and political career in any way, for he comes across as a very capable and authoritative person, but it is incredibly naive to assume that Big Tech wants to be regulated or is willing to self regulate. I doubt Mr. Rubin will read this, but if he does, I hope he'll revisit his knee jerk reaction and dives into the matter much deeper before doing so. If only to show, that the US government is taking it with far less complacency than he (I assume unwillingly) made it appear. Might it be an idea to ask Yuval Noah Harrari again to contemplate on the subject? Or possibly someone who's retired from the intelligence community and who can elaborate on how disruptive social media, algorithms, AI, the (unintended) connections between big tech, the advertisement industry, conspiracy thinkers and foreign powers have become in this field?
@@danielhoskins4690 I'd say that isn't typical of Americans. It goes for most people who are successful, or rather, who are seen as successful. I know a few of specimen here in the Netherlands as well. A certain level of narcissism seems to be a general feature of individuals in higher office in politics, entertainment and management. I've got to say, that for many of the (former) military Americans I encountered that certainly is not the case. Possibly because in general soldiers know what it means to serve a purpose, rather than one's own personal glory? Whther mr. Rubin falls in the category, I would not decide on this one sample. But his reaction did indeed not indicate an abundance of self reflection or open mindedness. On the other hand, the term 'naive' just may have hit a sensitive nerve. Who knows?
15:45 If there's anything that's naive it's this. That we'd be able to watermark ai images. The obvious solution is to run an ai on it again to remove the watermark. Be it embedded in the visual content or if its just in binary. At best I can see us establishing a similar system to what drives HTTPS, certificate authorities. Basically big internet companies and others (anyone in principle) have special keys that your browser can recognize and verify that yes indeed someone approved this image. You choose who you trust with these systems and your browser comes with defaults. But it does nothing to prevent the deceptive imagery. It just certifies who the source is. And it works for a webserver just as well as it would for an image. It'll be a massive problem still. And you'll have to trust sources not what they've produced for you. Which isn't that different from today. It's just that it can be very convincing to see an image of exactly what's claimed and deception in that way will increase drastically.
Yes, I think that's the way things are heading. I can see a time when AI material is constantly being detected and filtered out in a similar way spam emails are, with only authenticated material being allowed through.
"a similar system to what drives HTTPS, certificate authorities." Yes. Only that. I remember Lex Fridman's interview with Ian Goodfellow, the inventor of Generative adversarial networks. He explicitly stated that as technology gets better, you cannot assurance authenticity from content alone, in principle.
Great interview. I think James is still wedded to a view of liberal western democracy that Clinton and Blair expoused. Its important to remember that the Clinton/Blair world view was a different beast to what followed Clinton (and yes, I do believe Blair stupidly thought he could swing Bush toward the Clinton/Blair hegemony). Its also important to note that James view of the importance of Western liberal democracy is entirely different to the analysis of players such as Douglas Murray - someone who's view of western democratic supremacy I have no time for. I genuinely think James finds it difficult to accept Rory's analysis (which is v. Persuasive btw), because there is still a desire for the Clinton/Blair third way approach of the late 90s.
I've been a fan of Jamie for decades as a thoughtful and articulate analyst. But, his sensitive ego and condescension towards Rory was appalling. Especially as Rory better presented his points IMO. Ok, it's time to read Rory's book which I was given at Christmas! Well done, sir.
Great stuff…. Aamd good points well made Rory. Alistair didn’t really contribute much in this one apart from folding at the knees in front of the living-inside-my-bubble American diplomate.
If HE is a typical example of n American diplomat, I am not surprised at the decline of US influence. He said that he did not see the two Arabs mentioned as thinking of the US as a declining power, which just goes to show that the Arabs are far better at this diplomatic game than he is.
Hey Jamie, Rory didn't vote (as in abstain or didn't show up) for Military action in Syria. Leading to the government being defeated in wanting to take Military action Obama cites this a major reason for not taking action. He needs to get off his high horse.
Mr Stewart, there is a feeling in the world that the US - many, many things. As able as the accomplished guest may be, the feeling in the world is not what many of the foreign ministers are saying or doing or imagining. The idea that all the people named have important things to say when the US is not in the room seems fairly predictable.
This is how they structure their interviews in every show. One of them gets someone into the show they know, the other does the hard questions. "Fatuous fawning" is also so blatantly exagerrated it could only spoken by someone who clearly has as much bias or more than Stewart himself.
The lack of humility in policy makers is troubling. Watermarking techniques implemented by a few large players in the commercial AI space will do nothing to counter offline privately-hosted generative AI models or AI providers in unregulated countries / government-led disinformation campaigns. Rubin's bravado amounts to burying his head in the sand.
Classic example of a guy who that nks his position provides expertise abd diserves respect... Sadly once he mentions AI and social media the shallowness of his intellect is revealed
So Blair and his media henchman Alastair are even more to blame for the ‘Regime change’ agenda, and the resultant countless deaths and chaos, than we thought! Meanwhile Alastair smiles his way through it all.
‘Means that you are operating at a facile level’ (Rubin) finally someone calls out Stewart for the pompous, arrogant and self-aggrandising ‘expert’ that he claims to be. The juxtaposition of Campbell/ Rubin with Stewart is striking. The use of Stewart is really just as a straw man to argue with.
The fact that Rubin doesn't understand how the US is viewed just demonstrates he is sat in a bubble.
Rory is absolutely correct that the world looks at US attitudes and sees it is going back to pre-WWII attitudes. It is seen as being weaker than it was in the past.
During the Cold War no one thought the US was weak. So having a Chinese growing power isn't what people are reacting to as Rubin suggests. It is the attitudes of both left and right in the US who are becoming more introspective.
I think Rory might be closer to the truth than Mt Rubin for sure.
Trump will gobble up the UK and sell it for spare parts to Russian oligarchs. You will learn to yearn for Pax Americana over the next few decades.
During the cold war we were facing catastrophic outcomes of that war. Nobody wants anothet world war. Nukes do a lot of damage.
But still isn’t really answering fundamental questions.
❤Precisely well said and well OBSERVED.
What great back and forth. Words matter! I loved the push back on both sides. Good robust debate is essential.
I'm glad you also see it this way. People in the comments seem to think an interview like this is a fight, where one side wins and the other side is "DESTROYED!" I enjoyed both Rubin's and Rory's fighting spirit. The aim ought to be to gain understanding through arguments, not to have one's tribal champion defeat the other.
@@letMeSayThatInIrish We have lost the art of being able to disagree, debate and enter a powerful discourse which engages everyone. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Whilst I really enjoy this podcast / video channel, it is the robust exchange of ideas between people who are different, with different ideas and political persuasion’s attempting to forge a better road for the future. I like it equally when Alistair gets pushback from their guests. Keep up the great work on this channel!
Sadly, I disagree. Rubin could have contributed more usefully to the debate by staying grounded. He seemed more intent on undermining / agitating Rory and putting him 'in his place' which suggests he felt on shaky ground himself.
Loved Alastair’s face 😂
He is loving it!
Alistair looked like the cat that got the cream!
popcorn under the desk
Great interview. Rory and James Rubin had a proper political debate. Rather than the usual tosh peddled by other so called politicians.
The idea that these AI companies are willingly going to be regulated is so naive it's hard to believe Rubin even said it.
You are a beacon of light Rory,. I am both inspired and comforted when listening to you debate issuers and the more I discover about you the brighter you shine in my eyes. You are a true giant amongst men.
It’s much easier to understand why we are witnessing the end of American empire if these are the figures in the room.
America is NOT an empire and it had never been an empire. Superpower? Yes.
❤exactly
❤ Putin. Lovely figure
@@CallumS-se5xq that’s irrelevant. No one cares about your kink
Rory is just brilliant here.
But James Rubin was better, except on AI - those companies know regulation will have to come and they want to control the agenda.
@@nicennice Going to be hard to regulate open source software, across the entire world. They can't control social media sites, so I have no idea how they can regulate AI?
@@sharpvidtube they can regulate what they can do in a certain country ie facial recognition on facebook was stopped.
No, Rory was pretty much destroyed here.
@@dddz961 Yes, I agree with you. Much as I enjoy listening to him I think he was comprehensively schooled by Rubin, who was aggressive but more realistic.
Rubin is a typical American. Arrogant and always right.. This isn't a fairytale, dude
❤exactly
Alastair just sitting back and eating the popcorn.
Which is a good thing. Alistair was listening and allowing the discussion between the two to develop. He didn't try to chip in.
What a touchy guy!
American's are standardly this confrontational
He keeps trying to unsettle Rory, who he has designated an 'enemy' rather than listen to what's said, he's looking for something to attack.
I think this is representative of most american discourse I've seen.
James is also extremely american-centric. For example "conspiracy theories began with JFK"
The best episode in my book. Foray was tough but fair with his comments. Keep up the great debate.
The reason for distrust in authority is really very simple.
It's because the answer to any challenge is no longer "You're wrong, please let me convince you why." Now it's, "You're wrong, shut up, and you're a horrible person for questioning me."
That's a better analysis than mine!
I think that I would add that the reason of this is the changing habits of the electorate.
Back in the 19th century, propaganda for many policies came in the form of long passages in broadsheets explaining policies (of course you would get "penny dreadful" news papers however those were mainly for the poor who initially couldn't vote). Since television and social media however, a more intellectual style of publicity is easily outstripped by simple messages.
I believe (and this is entirely theoretical) that we could return to proper politics with little multiple choice questions on the ballot paper which you have to get right as well as fifty word explainers of a particular policy.
The explainers would not be checked over and the answers to the multiple choice would likely be publicised by friends and politicians as soon as the questions came out. However the purpose is to at least incentivise more intellectual habits into the electorate.
I've never seen Campbell looking so absolutely contented.
He is enjoying it!
Because he knows Rubin and had worked with both centre-left (Clinton) and right-wing (Bush II) U.S. governments. 😂
Great jostling - robust whilst remaining respectful (though the end was a little spicy!). Keep up the good fight Alastair and Rory.
Keep these clips coming. They are very good!
I think naive was the perfect word, especially given he’s worked in the field for 25 years.
...and he did call Rory a 'chicken little' :)) You've got to take it if you're going to throw it out there
Exactly ❤
Rubin seems to have digested a large dose of sarcasm. It does him no credit.
Rory is completely correct about AI. There is very little reason to be optimistic about AI regulation. Watermarking, ‘misinformation protection’, etc will not last for long.
I think that this goes to show that the American huckster approach doesnt work in the UK. If this is what we get for American diplomats, it would explain a lot.
Which ever side you follow, it's refreshing to have a civilized discussion
WOW thats a fragile ego.
Rory was right - he was being naive and the guys response saying... well I've been in this business for 25 years blah blah... was ridiculous.
He's a good example of showing how people in positions of more or less power are still all human, and prone to the same mistakes and biases as the rest of us mere mortals.
This was a superb discussion with two experienced and knowledgeable diplomats and politicians. I wish I had watched this when it was first released, rather than a week later
What a beautiful debate. This what I am here for.
Yes Good debate from both sides
This guy likes to play the victim “ the use of ‘you’…”.
He claims access to the back rooms of US foreign policy then distances himself from those policies.
To no one’s surprise he is playing both sides of the fence.
That’s what he does .
Nothing wrong with a little disagreement and head butting.... Alastair is hilarious....
I really enjoyed this discussion. Logical and explorative - dissecting the issues instead of sound bites - despite the American approach to "debate" i thought the diplomat was right in challenging the sweeping statements by Rory. Thank you
Oh Rory you really are the best !!!
Quite enjoyed this. Alistair sittng there smirking was the icing on the cake. These two seem to be able to have a bt back of forth wthout taking it to heart though.
You'd think being married to a cnn anchor, he'd understand the style of the interview and not come across as so defensive.
He seemed so prickly.
He took Rory’s “you” personally and got defensive about his own positions, when it was obviously referring to the whole of the US with no assumption that Jamie agreed with the US’s actions.
His hackles were up at Rory calling his position on AI regs “naive”, when he could have just defended his position. The “naive” was a comment on a single view of his, not a judgement on his whole personality.
When he defends himself he goes straight to a call to authority “I’ve been working in the area for 25 years”, rather than focusing on issues.
I don’t know anything about diplomacy so maybe I’m being naive myself, but I was surprised that he didn’t negotiate the conflict without making it personal.
Being married to a cnn anchor highlights everything that is wrong with american journalism
Deflection, he's a professional lol
😂HAHAHA brilliant. When TRUTH comes FALSEHOOD and vanity VANISHES.
I really enjoyed this debate. I hope all was cordial at the end so you can invite James Rubin back again.
America is in stagnation and is losing influence, Rory is right.
Then why is the UK opinion even relevant as UK influence is just a shdow of the US?.
It is like a mediocre teamplayer acusing the best player on te team for not playing well..
Reducing USA support in africa is a prime example. Trump reduced funding their. Where will they go? China and Russia.
@PMMagro that's exactly the problem, all of Europe (minus France) have become too dependent on America for military power, foreign diplomacy, and economic security. America is weakening. We must awaken to that fact and become self sustainable again. To fix the problem, we must realise and criticise it first , that is what I am doing and what others like Rory are doing.
@@PMMagro Does that make the opinion untrue?
We have been heading down that alley for alot longer🇬🇧
Rubin represents why the world is a mess and getting worse.
Implying the other two aren't
AI companies may be asking to be regulated in public, but they're working diligently behind-the-scenes to ensure it doesn't happen.
Agreed, they may have learned to front run the PR battle.
Tech industry in a nutshell right now. I just read an interview with a psychologist who sits on an advisory board at Meta -- she'll probably step down now after 3 years as she's become convinced she's been used. They never listened to her, they never even intended to listen to her. We need much more regulation globally.
Surely James understands the difference between plural "you" and singular "you".
Alastair recommended "Critical conversations" by Jospeh Grenny et al a couple of months ago and I can now, also, highly recommend it. That conversation was something of a case study - to be reflected upon :)
Rory is 100% right on AI. If the US Govt really believes they want to be regulated because “the last time they didn’t do it right”, they’re in for a rude awakening
9:00 Alistair's face is brilliant
I love Alistair looking across at about 17:00, he clearly knows what's going on and has seen it way too many times before so he's just enjoying it :D
Rory taking a silly american to task. Wonderful.
You guys put on a great show.
Wow, James is feisty in this debate😀
The word naive seems valid when applied to someone taking tech companies at face value.
I’d say that’s a draw. RS and JR both got under the other’s skin. I think RS tends to fight uphill though by trying to root the conversation in detail.
Seeing you guys in London today, looking forward to it.
Rubin comes across as omnipotent and needs to learn to accept criticism.
Very typical American politician here, the lack of objectiveness is clearly apparent.
It’s a great view of recent history, but it would be nice if these guys would talk more about the future
James was great to watch
This does feel like one of those moments in history when an empire is coming towards the end of it's time, and it cannot see why everyone on the outside has a negative view of it. The British establishment still harks back to days of our empire and don't see it's negative effect on the world, it is inevitable that the US 'insiders' would fail to see the extent to which it's star is waning...
Gentlemen
Just a question if I may - sad that the broadcast was stopped after 18 minutes just when it was arriving at the crux of it I thought. Is there like to be a continuation please?
The hour long version is in the channel history
Well this could be a nice chat in an Oxbridge pub near you. The reality is that Alastair and Rory (brilliant and incisive though they are) currently have as much political influence as the latest viral TicToc video given our present batch of social media, knee jerk politicians the UK has. conversely James Rubin is currently Special Envoy and Coordinator of the U.S. State Department's Global Engagement Center. So rightly or wrongly and naive or not, to me, Rubin is the only one who carries a real world stick.
Rory and Alastair do not pretend to be Special Envoy Coorodinators, they interview them debate with them, and point out their weaknesses, prejudices, vanity and naivity!!!!! And if Robin does carry a real world stick with a skin as thin as his and his inability to give legitimacy to an opposing view, it's no wonder the world is in the mess it is.
I love James Rubin he certainly beat up Rory and Alistair ignored Rory's plea for help. Very entertaining discussion.
Good debate from both sides
Brilliant discussion.
I thought I was listening to an episode of “the West Wing”. This guy sounds exactly like John Spenser who played Leo Magarry, President Bartlett’s Chief of Staff.
about the ai companies asking for regulation. I think that's more about building a moat for smaller companies and open source models can't compete, more than it is "wanting to do right."
God, James gets very easily offended
Entertainment … Alistair is enjoying it!!
His upset with the word nieve was a dodge from the question “what are your concerns about AI”.
Rory might’ve said “everyone is nieve about AI, it’s emergent”
End of part 1
😂😂😂 the CIA probably did have a hand in Kennedy’s demise 🙄
I love how he completely misses the point where all empires fall apart and its not just British cynicism, god i love watching Americans think they can keep their empire running whilst its collapsing around them faster than the amazons ecosystems
Listening to their pod for a while I've witnessed two regular vices of Rory's. The first, he has a temper. It gets in the way, and you often hear him later having to apologise to people. It crosses the line of adversarial questioning into rudeness, and makes the other shut down. It's seen over and over in this exchange. The second is he has premature closure toward deeper reflection on the consequences, or broader need, for the austerity he endorsed. With one hand he will reflect with good evidence base on something, and then as soon as the word austerity is mentioned the equivalence and nuance drops and its "nope, its all we had as a responsible government". the introspective meditation retreats he goes on, that are "life-changing", could salve both, causing a wider gap between stimulus-response, as well as reflecting more on the consequences of his behaviour in the past. because, rest assured, there is significant UK-wide excess morbidity and mortality due to the consequences of austerity, Brexit and covid response, and without the likes of Rory propping up 14 years of conservatism, he served for 2/3 of that time under their banner, it wouldn't have happened.
The AI companies are publically asking for the regulation but behind close doors they asking the governments to not regulate them.
Mr Ego did not like those opinions. If Rory was a social media platform, he’d ’need regulation’!! 😅 lol
Rory was great but Alastair was magnificent!
Rory is spot on. Not to discredit anything Mr. Rubin has achieved in his diplomatic and political career in any way, for he comes across as a very capable and authoritative person, but it is incredibly naive to assume that Big Tech wants to be regulated or is willing to self regulate.
I doubt Mr. Rubin will read this, but if he does, I hope he'll revisit his knee jerk reaction and dives into the matter much deeper before doing so. If only to show, that the US government is taking it with far less complacency than he (I assume unwillingly) made it appear.
Might it be an idea to ask Yuval Noah Harrari again to contemplate on the subject? Or possibly someone who's retired from the intelligence community and who can elaborate on how disruptive social media, algorithms, AI, the (unintended) connections between big tech, the advertisement industry, conspiracy thinkers and foreign powers have become in this field?
Unfortunately self-reflection or contrition aren’t highly coveted skills in American culture. Especially among ‘successful’ people
@@danielhoskins4690 I'd say that isn't typical of Americans. It goes for most people who are successful, or rather, who are seen as successful.
I know a few of specimen here in the Netherlands as well. A certain level of narcissism seems to be a general feature of individuals in higher office in politics, entertainment and management.
I've got to say, that for many of the (former) military Americans I encountered that certainly is not the case. Possibly because in general soldiers know what it means to serve a purpose, rather than one's own personal glory?
Whther mr. Rubin falls in the category, I would not decide on this one sample. But his reaction did indeed not indicate an abundance of self reflection or open mindedness. On the other hand, the term 'naive' just may have hit a sensitive nerve. Who knows?
@@danielhoskins4690 And those that view themselves as successful. I had a confrontation with one of those today. 🙄
Social media is a major factor in people's thinking 😂. J , your eyes are closed
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If there's anything that's naive it's this. That we'd be able to watermark ai images. The obvious solution is to run an ai on it again to remove the watermark. Be it embedded in the visual content or if its just in binary.
At best I can see us establishing a similar system to what drives HTTPS, certificate authorities. Basically big internet companies and others (anyone in principle) have special keys that your browser can recognize and verify that yes indeed someone approved this image. You choose who you trust with these systems and your browser comes with defaults.
But it does nothing to prevent the deceptive imagery. It just certifies who the source is. And it works for a webserver just as well as it would for an image.
It'll be a massive problem still. And you'll have to trust sources not what they've produced for you. Which isn't that different from today. It's just that it can be very convincing to see an image of exactly what's claimed and deception in that way will increase drastically.
Yes, I think that's the way things are heading. I can see a time when AI material is constantly being detected and filtered out in a similar way spam emails are, with only authenticated material being allowed through.
"a similar system to what drives HTTPS, certificate authorities."
Yes. Only that.
I remember Lex Fridman's interview with Ian Goodfellow, the inventor of Generative adversarial networks. He explicitly stated that as technology gets better, you cannot assurance authenticity from content alone, in principle.
Great interview. I think James is still wedded to a view of liberal western democracy that Clinton and Blair expoused. Its important to remember that the Clinton/Blair world view was a different beast to what followed Clinton (and yes, I do believe Blair stupidly thought he could swing Bush toward the Clinton/Blair hegemony). Its also important to note that James view of the importance of Western liberal democracy is entirely different to the analysis of players such as Douglas Murray - someone who's view of western democratic supremacy I have no time for.
I genuinely think James finds it difficult to accept Rory's analysis (which is v. Persuasive btw), because there is still a desire for the Clinton/Blair third way approach of the late 90s.
Brilliant 👏
More of James Rubin please.
James Rubin just rolled Rory over but it wasn't easy.
I've been a fan of Jamie for decades as a thoughtful and articulate analyst. But, his sensitive ego and condescension towards Rory was appalling. Especially as Rory better presented his points IMO. Ok, it's time to read Rory's book which I was given at Christmas! Well done, sir.
Be warned it's a good read but really quite depressing!
Great stuff…. Aamd good points well made Rory. Alistair didn’t really contribute much in this one apart from folding at the knees in front of the living-inside-my-bubble American diplomate.
Jeez Rory is about the least diplomatic I've ever seen him here, unusually combative.
If HE is a typical example of n American diplomat, I am not surprised at the decline of US influence. He said that he did not see the two Arabs mentioned as thinking of the US as a declining power, which just goes to show that the Arabs are far better at this diplomatic game than he is.
Joe Biden is on my wish list for this program, but hopefully not for five years or so.
Hey Jamie, Rory didn't vote (as in abstain or didn't show up) for Military action in Syria. Leading to the government being defeated in wanting to take Military action Obama cites this a major reason for not taking action. He needs to get off his high horse.
Mr Stewart, there is a feeling in the world that the US - many, many things. As able as the accomplished guest may be, the feeling in the world is not what many of the foreign ministers are saying or doing or imagining. The idea that all the people named have important things to say when the US is not in the room seems fairly predictable.
Rubin Tuesday much more undiplomatic language to hit back at Rory then got all upset at being called naive. He can dish it out but can’t take it.
Robust debate, kings
very robust when he said "america has never been an imperial nation don't look up manifest destiny :)"
i'm happy rory grilled him @@Jomchen
Some people are easily impressed by someone interrupting loudly.
Oh look, Rory can actually do fairly robust questioning... Unlike his fatuous fawning over the likes of May and Javid.
You'll see what you want to see
This is how they structure their interviews in every show. One of them gets someone into the show they know, the other does the hard questions. "Fatuous fawning" is also so blatantly exagerrated it could only spoken by someone who clearly has as much bias or more than Stewart himself.
The lack of humility in policy makers is troubling. Watermarking techniques implemented by a few large players in the commercial AI space will do nothing to counter offline privately-hosted generative AI models or AI providers in unregulated countries / government-led disinformation campaigns. Rubin's bravado amounts to burying his head in the sand.
A little off topic, but does anyone know the title of the intro music ?
Hasn't this already be published some time ago?
When was it published ?
@@samjoshi1812 don't know but I have listened to it last week already.
@@samjoshi1812 The full interview was posted 2 weeks ago, this is just a cut version of it they've re-released.
This guy is thin-skinned. And Naive!!
Being articulate doesn’t make you right.
Classic example of a guy who that nks his position provides expertise abd diserves respect... Sadly once he mentions AI and social media the shallowness of his intellect is revealed
So Blair and his media henchman Alastair are even more to blame for the ‘Regime change’ agenda, and the resultant countless deaths and chaos, than we thought! Meanwhile Alastair smiles his way through it all.
Rory Stewart is spot on. If we were to be truthful, we have to admit that we are loosing respect throughout the world.
The AI illiteracy continues. Where is the discussion on the positive acceleration and how AI can improve everyone's lives.
Big business clamouring for regulation! Is it April Fools already?
‘Means that you are operating at a facile level’ (Rubin) finally someone calls out Stewart for the pompous, arrogant and self-aggrandising ‘expert’ that he claims to be. The juxtaposition of Campbell/ Rubin with Stewart is striking. The use of Stewart is really just as a straw man to argue with.
When he gets it it will be all over for US, he can't stand critisism.
I felt like Rory played the man more than the ball today. Poor form.
Nice.