Copland: El Salón México ∙ hr-Sinfonieorchester ∙ Carlos Miguel Prieto
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- Aaron Copland:
El Salón México ∙
hr-Sinfonieorchester (Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra) ∙
Carlos Miguel Prieto, Dirigent ∙
Alte Oper Frankfurt, 18. Januar 2013 ∙
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A vigorous interpretation of this strange Copland's work based in old mexican tunes, under the great direction of young -not to mention handsome, talented and elegant- maestro Carlos Miguel Prieto, pride of Mexico.
Gracias por subirlo.
La pieza se originó en un viaje que Copland hizo a México en 1932. Entre muchas otras actividades visitó un salón de baile. El Salón México había abierto sus puertas en abril de 1920 y tenía una sala de espejos y tres pistas de baile clasificadas según la clase social que allí realizaba sus maromas: "Mantequilla" para la clase alta, "Manteca" para la clase media, y "Sebo" para los pobres, que también gustan de bailar, cómo no. Lo curioso -pese a la situación política presente o, acaso, debido a ello- es que todos se congregaban en el mismo recinto, bailando digamos que juntos aunque no revueltos.
Gentileza de la página "La Belleza de Escuchar".
+Dagoberto Espinoza Se dice que dos de las salas de baile eran una para gente humilde pero con zapatos y la más "popular", para gente descalza. En esta última había un letrero pidiendo que no se tiraran colillas de cigarro en el piso para que las damas no se quemaran los pies
+abelsincain ¡¡Increíble!! Gracias por el dato.
Interesante información, que se agradece. La situación actual es la siguiente en todas partes: ahora todos nos encontramos en el mismo salón globalizado y a todos nos alimentan, cultural y espiritualmente, con sebo.
Great notes.
Muy amigo de Carlos Chàvez
Con estas imágenes de un mexicano en Alemania, Felicidades a todas las madres mexicanas!!! donde quiera que estén.
Lo que inspiró a Copland para componer su Salón México fue el espíritu de la gente que se encontró ahí.
Very nice! I like it! For years I've heard of this name Copland, in magazines, music stores, famous musicians mentioning his name in books, etc... and didn't pay any attention! So, today I'm reading a little book about Copland and the author mentioned this Copland's piece incorporated Mexican folk tunes, melodies, and themes to this piece, but the piece became his very own, and people liked it became popular. Author said, Copland fused modern music of the time Copland was in, I supposed, the early 1900's American music. Author is right, this music is right there in my alley. In my case then, after listening to lots of Mozart's endless repertoire for years, from various conductors, various orchestras, various players, from just one Mozart piece alone (and Mozart had many), I think it's time to expand hear more music out there. Now this piece by Copland is an excellent alternative from Mozart to have in my car. Will get to know more music from Copland! TY! Merry Christmas!!!
Listen to the Mozart Clarinet Concerto, then listen to the Copland Clarinet Concerto....Fabulous Masterpieces!
It’s so pleasant to see a “kasimanwa” (I’m from Balete; came to New York for graduate studies in late 1969 and returned to the old homeland only twice since then.) also appreciate Aaron Copland’s compositions, albeit discovering this perhaps 4 years too late! Indeed, Copland is often referred to, especially because the American Ballet Theatre Company ABT) and the NYC Ballet Company (NYCB) often produce the ballet suites he had been commissioned for their “new” choreography. I turned 79 this month and have been listening to classical and jazz music since my father bought and installed a Philips radio (complete with rooftop antenna and “ground wiring”) in 1952-53. My family has been in retirement in Arizona for nearly 24 years now, but the 30 years of life in Manhattan (grad sch, career, family life) have been like manna from heaven for me because of the Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts where the Metropolitan Opera, the NYCB, the New York Philharmonic Orchestra, and Juilliard School reside. Hehe, I went off on a tangent in my excitement over discovering a “kasimanwa” who shares a common interest with me. If I hadn’t awaken with Copland’s Fanfare for the Common Man buzzing in my head this morning, I wouldn’t have found you! Anyway, my favorite Mozart are his compositions for the clarinet and the operatic stage. I presume you have seen the movie, “Amadeus.” If you’re still a TH-cam subscriber, I suggest that you try listening to another American composer, Samuel Barber. The rest are Europeans: Anton Bruckner’s symphonies, especially Nos. 4,5,7, & 8. Other composers I recommend listening to are Ricchard Wagner, Max Bruch, Camille Saint-Saens, Alexandr Borodin, Maurice Ravel, Faure, Rimsky-Korsakov, Sibelius, Dvorak, and Grieg. I’m sure you’re thoroughly familiar with Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Vivaldi, Boccherini, Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Liszt, Verdi, Puccini, et al. Happy listening.
This is an extremely difficult work to perform, but this conductor and orchestra make it seem so easy!! Art concealing art!! Excellent performance!
Difficult to practice to, though. Especially if you are a percussionist and have to count all…those…measures.
Difficult for no Latin American people
Aunque mi versión favorita sigue siendo la de New Philharmonia dirigida por Copland (le da el grado exacto de dinamismo y calidez), esta es muy buena, especialmente considerando que no es muy interpretada en Europa. Excelentes músicos lidereados por un buen director.
Pocos saben que Juan Pablo Moncayo, autor del icónico Huapango, fue alumno de Aaron Copland en Estados Unidos, probablemente por eso el Huapango se basa, como El Salón México, en varios sones populares mexicanos.
Gracias por este excelente video.
Diego Solís Tienes el link?
Saludos
Si es verdad, la versión que dices es mucho más rica, ésta la encuentro un poco desabrida y "metronómica"...
A 4 años solo digo, que no es Juan Pablo, sino Jose Pablo Moncayo
the violins melody played three minutes into are played without rushing as was meant to be the Mexican melody is beatiful, i loved it. willplay it many times.
From the tipsy trumpet solo to the clarinet soloist absolutely nailing that last note of his solo, they blew this away!
I've done three performances under Prieto. talented and a " Class" act. Nice job here.
Cómo disfruto y me divierto escuchando esta pieza. ¡ Bravo...Bravo! Felicidades sr. Prieto.
Bravo, excelente director mexicano. Orgullo de México.
El Salón México se abría a todas las clases sociales de la ciudad y tenía tres espacios, para las diferentes categorías sociales, y el peladaje las llamaba, con humor, sorna y realismo como el de sebo, el de manteca y el de mantequilla.
superb audio quality
Outstanding Performance. Thanks. Out.
Carlos Miguel Prieto es buenisimo!
Es un clásico de la música USA, Aaron Copland, ciertas notas musicales tienen la influencia del hubo año, la ranchera. Ecuador 13 enero 2016
My favourite Copeland,reminds me of The Magnificent Seven or cowboys in old Mexico,just makes my mind work overtime lol.
colin biggs Sorry about the e.
GORGEOUS!
ESPECTACULAR..!
ES UN ENCANTO ESTE HOMBRE
Me encanta toda a obra de Aaron Copland...El salon Mexico sua obra prima Maestria e combinações de instrumentos e melodias...magnífico...
Lo que me parece extraño de la obra de este gran compositor norteamericano (quizá el mejor de todos ellos), es el titulo de la misma. Siendo el "Salon Mexico" un sitio de baile popular, donde seguramente era el danzón el genero mas socorrido, en ninguno de los fragmentos de esta obra, se aprecia, ni remotamente dicho genero. Es meritorio, que Coplan, siendo extranjero, haya asumido en forma tan magistral, la gran variedad de temas folklóricos de Mexico. Un dato curioso: por la fecha de su creación, pienso que el vino a Mexico a refugiarse, porque en su Pais, fue perseguido por el fatal ·mac arthismo, pues fue acusado de comunista. Pues si así fue, ¡que bueno, pues no dejo una de sus mejores obras".
Dicen q Copland fue a Mexico en 1932. McCArthy fue mucho después
Minuto 1:50 comienza el Danzón....
Copland stated himself that this piece in no way should be considered as reflecting the tunes played in a danzon club. He said that it should be taken more as the musical impressions of a tourist traveling through Mexico.
@@maueescobar fue principios de 50s si no mal revuerdo
en mi infancia escuche este concierto y ahora lo vuelvo a escuchar, debe estar entre los cien primeros conciertos que son de mi agrado. de miles y miles que he escuchado.
Excelente y maravillosa interpretación.
Wonderful performance!...they pulled out all the stops.. incredibly complex rhythms played with gusto and precision. A great and I think underappreciated Copeland masterwork!
I am playing Eb clarinet for this. It's so much fun :)
Peter Hadcock (former BSO Eb clarinetist) wrote a book called "The Working Clarinetist". It's sort of an excerpt masterclass book. It includes the Eb excerpts from El Salon Mexico, along with some interesting notes about how he played it along with his experience playing it for Copland. He says that the Eb is supposed to be really messy in the solos around 9:15
I've never heard a version quite like what he described, but I think it works really well.
Hadcock also wrote a seperate book for Eb only, which doesn't include E. S. Mexico but does have a complete transposed (to Eb) part of Till Eulenspiegel
***** thanks for the info. I had a blast playing that piece for our American music concert last year.
Is it hard to learn it ?
Maravillosa pieza y magnífica dirección, de Carlos Prieto es un portento y todo un caballero, cuando dirigía la OSX fué impresionante jamás faltaba al T. Clavijero en el puerto, recuerdo la extraordinaria dirección, y las obras de Mahler eran el paraíso bajo su dirección, MAESTRO ERES UN VIRTUOSO!!! BRAVÍSIMO. En Verácruz te amamos.
La musica della mia gioventu'
Es una melodía maravilloa y eterna
This is another fine performance by Prieto and the Frankfurters (their Shostakovich 6th is superb!). I sometimes like to hear this favorite at a faster tempo however; this one is even slower than Copland's recording which I own. Fiedler's Boston Pops version was quite exciting, presenting the score in only 10 minutes. I also have a fondness for Bernstein's "Columbia Symphony" version; his moderate tempo seemed about right to me. (I'm not really nitpicking; I think Prieto's is expressive and convincing also.)
You might wish to set the speed of the video to 1.25 - for several passages of this video it seems to work as least as good.
Bravo maestro felicitaciones
2020 casi 2021, apenas disfrutando esta pieza.
Aqui en Noviembre 2023 escuchando esta bella composición de Mr Copland !!😊
Maravillosa ejecucion y espectacular direccion. Gracias
Es la segunda vez que veo a éste director y me párese espectacular.
July 2024! Who's here?
MAESTRO COPLAND. Y EL GRAN DIRECTOR MEXICANO CARLOS MIGUEL PRIETO!
I am an American and very proud of Copland. But I also love Mexican culture so much, including the great music!
Thank you so much
Wonderful !
Magnifico ..```Gracias por subirlo..¡¡¡¡
I love all the Mexican Sones that Copeland intertwined in this suite. The trumpet solo is so very enchanting & yet haunting. This music is a very beautiful tribute to Mexico.
Splendida esecuzione meravigliosa Sinfonia
great.
Es quizas, la mej0r version que he escuchado
Multi bravo.
Wunderschöne Aufführung! Carlos Miguel Prieto dirigiert das Orchester sehr künstlerisch. Die Bläser sind besonders ausgezeichnet. Danke fürs Hochladen!
Wonderful~~
Excelente
Kein amerikanischer Komponist hat "Amerika" je besser erklingen lassen als Aaron Copland. Man kann die Weite und das Land in seiner Musik direkt spüren. Fantastisch. Und L.Bernstein war sein ebenso legendärer Nachfolger, der sein Land gleich treffend in Musik dargestellt hat. Geniales Duo.
Cool .. I just got the Bernstein transcription and this is good interpretation
what a great trumpet solo! anyone know the guy's name?
samsing2300 That's our principal trumpet Balázs Nemes
It is that time of year.
marvelous -only copland !
The strings part around 4:30 reminded me for some reason of an OST from FF13
I like this piece of Mexican music by Aaron copland. It is very similar to moncayo,s haupango. I like both pieces,but I believe Haupango sounds more joyful and more mexican. Anyone wants to compare these two pieces can listen to the Haupango directed by dudamel it is excellent.
Dudamel,really?honestly his tropical direccion stinks
Thanks for the mention of Haupango. Very enjoyable - especially from a youth orchestra.
Estupenda descripción de las clases sociales
bravo
is that balazs nemes on 1st trumpet?
Yes
Yeeeeee haaaahhh!!!
7:35 Eb solo 9:18 9:50 excerpts
See how in 11'18 y 11'26, maestro Prieto helps timpanist to make noise, kicking the floor with his rigth feet. (LOL)
Esta pieza es el reflejo de la grandeza de México percibida por un extranjero
Hahah yea that pay my atention to
Minuto 2:55 - Playita mía de Carlos Rubira Infante
4:05
9:01
10:49
4:20
9:00 25
They did better than do American orchestras.
conducting with elbows never fun to watch even if result is good. the baton is for a reason.
Are you an orchestral musician, Raymond, or just an expert with a digital music streamer? Copland's time signatures are often superposed with winds and brass sections playing to one while the strings play to another. My orchestra is performing this work in concert tomorrow and I can tell you from experience that the baton is simply not enough!! That theory is for Beethoven and Mozart. All real conductors conduct with their faces, arms, shoulders, elbows, dancing on heels, and above all - mental projection. You should sit among the second violins and try it sometime.
Baile mi cinturita del Paco con Merceditas y Guadalupe el cuico.
今日のコンクールで金賞取れますように
The work contains three musical styles and goes through the series of three twice, starting each time with the upper-class music, passing through a more vigorous working-class music, and ending with the foot-stomping dance of the peasantry. Divisions between the sections are clear, as if one had walked through a doorway. The upper-class music suggests formal European dancing of the nineteenth century, unlyrical and even unmasculine. The peasant music is far richer rhythmically and more powerful, with a suggestion of the pre-Hispanic (Indian) in it. The work's conclusion celebrates this kind of music, not that of the well-to-do. Musically, the work displays beautifully Copland's populism. Although Copland visited Mexico early in the 1930s, he based this tone poem not on songs he heard there, but rather on written sheet music for at least four Mexican folk songs that he had obtained: "El palo verde," "La Jesusita," "El mosco," and "El malacate." The powerful refrain that appears in the piece three times stems from "El palo verde."
Take that Trump!!!
COPLAND IS THE MOST "AMERICAN" COMPOSER AMONG ALL THE AMERICAN COMPOSERS ...
Is this out of sync ? Conductor’s movements have no relation whatsoever with rythhm and what’s being played. Funny, though.
Strange as this may seem, this band is not a military fanfare and the piece CANNOT be conducted mechanically in 4/4 or 3/4 time as the time signatures are all over the place and several times different ones are superimposed, - Copland being "crafty".
This defeats boring classical music.
This IS classical music - and just being classical music doesn't make any music boring.
ronald b woodall I *think* he means classical music that is boring.
it is obvious that the orchestra is not familiar with this repertoire, and the conductor isn't much help.
Or perhaps you are the one who is not so very familiar with the piece. I have loved it for ever, and performed it a number of times, and this in my opinion is a fabulous, idiomatic and truly glorious performance. The trumpet solo and everything afterward are completely 100% top notch.
Can you do it better ? he knows what he is doing man, just enjoy this masterpiece
@@froylanobeso678 I've played with Maestro Prieto. Nothing to write home about. And El Salon Mexico is not an easy piece to bring off, i.e., this performance. And in 1978, at the Cabrillo Music Festival in CA, Mr. Copland gave me his address and phone number to look him up in Peekskill, NY. Anything else?
@@muslit Anything else? Sure, how about actually *doing* it better and backing up your arrogant claim? Show, don't tell. Or, to paraphrase: when you've got to shoot, shoot!...don't talk.
The trumpet player is taking liberties. He is bending the notes. This is not a jazz piece. Is the conductor a part-time footballer? Limpid conducting. A baton would help.
Both trumpeter and conductor are fine for this piece. You should go look at other TH-cam videos - maybe of Toots Thielemans.
Absolutely brilliant. And I loved the "tipsy" trumpet at the beginning.
mrrancid rob and he played it beautifully.
He nailed that solo!
¡ EXTRAORDINARIO !!! NO NOS CONFUNDAMOS; EL GRANDE AARON COPLAND (YANKEE ÉL), SE INSPIRA EN EL FOLCKLORE MEXICANO Y ELABORA ÉSTA LINDÍSIMA OBRA, Y EL JOVEN Y BUEN DIRECTOR MEXICANO MIGUEL ÁNGEL PRIETO, LE DA EL SELLO Y EL CARÁCTER INTERPRETATIVOS. ¡BRAVO MAESTRO!!!...
+SERGIO GERARDO VICO GIMENA es Carlos Miguel Prieto, hijo del maravilloso cellista Carlos Prieto.
Great performance. A few stray notes but both the orchestra and conductor look comfortable and that's half the battle with this piece. It's a strange TV direction though. Was the director not directing from a score? Seems like they are reacting to the music rather than having planned a cut in advance.
Fabulous. I have loved this masterpiece since the fifth of forever.
what does that even mean
I'm not sure what your question means? Let's play verbal gymnastics, Mike!
@@sleeve51 0
just like Bernstein and Zinman, Prieto gets the tempo just right and doesn't rush the music truly deep feeling with the strings in the opening measures.
secretofsuzanne I agree, those three are much alike .
La musica de "El salon Mexico" è struggente, dolce,malinconica ed esaltante allo stesso tempo.
Carlos Miguel Prieto, el mejor director de orquesta de la actualidad, dando a conocer obras poco conocidas referentes a Mexico, en el extranjero.
Siento como mexicano un inmenso orgullo que mi compatriota sea el mejor director de orquestas sinfónicas del mundo. Congratulaciones
al Sr.Carlos Miguel Prieto.
Amo molto la musica latinoamericana. Grazie al Sig Copland che la pensava come noi !.
@@marianadfcool vaya que te escoze que el maestro Prieto sea reconocido como el mejor director del año.
@@marianadfcool y te atreves a mencionar las interpretaciones sin alma y tropicales de Dudamel
The trumpet solo is played in a Mexican style. Most guys don't have the courage to let go of their "legit" sound - bravo!
At 0:27 it does sound like Wagner's Parsifal!
haben wir heute in Vorlesung U3L durchgenommen, schönes Stück und wieder etwas gelernt.
Einfach, schönes Stück.
Aaron Copland...Great Composer...I truly aporeciate his music...his art so touching, and in regards folks feelings and from his stand point of view...so authentic...about what is so close to human inner sentiments...simply...a marvelous composer...
BRAVO!!! This orchestra never fails to impress me! This is the best live performance I have ever heard.
Auf Deutsch:
BRAVO!!! Dieses Orchester beeindruckt mich immer wieder! Das ist die beste Live-Performance, die ich je gehört habe.
The more widely I listen to Copland - I'm English, so we don't often see him programmed here - the more I like his music. We get even less of his contemporaries, e.g. Roy Harris. Both wrote fine Third Symphonies!
he is the best suitable trumpet player in this piece!
There is no 'e' in Copland.
Fabulous, magnificent performance
What knd of barrel is the 1 st clarinet using?where can I buy it ?
It is an adjustable Barrel/tenon and it it used for German built clarinets. The silver ring can be turned and this allows adjusting by telescope action, making the barrel longer or shorter. As you know most orchestras in Germany and Holland use a higher pitch (442) than US, UK or France (440)
These barrels/tenons can be ordered from Dietz Klarinettenbau in Neustadt a/d Aisch
E a magnitude e competência do Maestro Carlos Prieto...parabens...isso se chama competência...e a todos os músicos excelentes...Bravo!
Bravo MAESTRO...
Una muy buenisima interpretación
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6:44 - 6:48 pretty sure he was testing how closely the flute and oboe were watching :D
Exactly, they all had a little smile - I guess you don't catch out the professionals that easily!
Beautiful version
Fsbuloso
A mi me encanta esa versión del "Salón México" con Carlos Miguel, desde mi punto de vista la mejor en youtube. También los solistas cumplen sus partes en un nivel extraordinario.