I played flute in the New York Youth Symphony Orchestra on this piece at Carnegie Hall in 1978.. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Copland when he came to a rehearsal and conducted the orchestra on this piece.
APPLAUSE, AND MORE APPLAUSE! Hats off to you sir! I love this piece. I love Copeland's iconic compositions. I loved Bernstein (he achieved sainthood with West Side Story). The NY Philharmonic is a total class act! Long may it live!
Watching Copland almost elevate off the podium as he exhorts the orchestra through those final, magnificent crescendos...it literally brings tears to my eyes. There is nothing like watching a genius conduct his own great composition. And god love Lenny Bernstein for always being the ultimate champion of Copland's incredible oeuvre.
Simply marvelous. What couple of titans. I miss the integrity, charisma and genius of both Lenny and Aaron. Eternal gratitude for all the gifts they left behind.
Sitting in the choir in London's Royal Festival Hall, I saw Copland in the late 60s conducting his own work and Gershwin's Concerto in F. He seemed to be the most charming of men smiling as he conducted throughout all of the pieces and, for those of us who had never seen him before, particularly tall. Most of all, of course, he was a genius and wrote some of the greatest symphonic music of the 20th century that will entertain and inspire for centuries to come.
El Salón México fue la primera obra que escuché de Copland, dirigida por Bernstein. Desde entonces ha permanecido en mí como una de las piezas favoritas del autor. Me ha encantado ver este vídeo dirigiéndola él mismo!!
Si lo sabías perdón: Se cuenta que el maestro Aaron Copland compuso esta obra maestra inspirado en el hecho de que un día visitó el Salón Mexico cuando este estaba en sus días de gloria, y el maestro Copland quedo muy impresionado por la fastuosidad del salón y del ambiente, que le daba toda la gente ahí presente bailando danzón, y de ahí le surgió la idea de componer esta obra titulándola con el nombre de aquel lugar que lo había dejado gratamente impresionado: “EL Salón México”.
Copland....what else is there to be said! His music captures the true feeling of American (the Southwest in particular) rugged adventure and individualism, ie, Billy The Kid Suite, Fanfare to the Common Man, etc, etc. The strains of his compositions truly are Americana......Matthew Brazille...Long Berach, CA
It was in the early 1950s that CBS telecast a Sunday afternoon hour-long program called "Omnibus" that was hosted by Alistair Cooke. It lasted until 1961. The show was along the lines of today's CBS Sunday Morning when Charles Kuralt and Charles Osgood were the hosts. Anyway, it was during a 1953 or 1954 edition of Omnibus that I was introduced to the music of Aaron Copland. I was 9 years old, taken by the claim that he had created an "American sound".....I've been a lover of Copland's works ever since. I attended his 80th Birthday concert at the Kennedy Center when he, Leonard Bernstein and Mstislav Rostropovich all took turns conducting the National Symphony.
This symphony is a symphony of memories that I played at a brass band contest 40 years ago. At that time the record being released was limited. It seems like a dream that it is possible to enjoy the performances by composers in modern times.
I can remember as a child placing the LP for this on our huge hi-fi, setting it turning and just lying on the floor in front of its huge speakers and letting its sound pour over me. I get it that Copland was inspired by the amazing music and dancers at El Salon, but I cannot hear this piece without thinking of the Mexican Revolution... and I swear there are parts having the spirit of the horses of the Villistas and the Zapatistas tearing over the ridge to battle.
We played this in the late 80's in high school symphonic orchestra - I think we submitted it to State and won that year. Very challenging piece. Other performances I found didn't do it the justice this one did, thank you for posting.
At the 8:09, 9:34, 10:01, and 11:03 minute marks -- my former teacher, Peter Simenauer, is playing the E-flat soprano clarinet solos. This was Peter's first season with the NY Philharmonic as its associate principal and E-flat soprano clarinetist -- a position he held from 1960 through 1998.
love all things copeland and bernstein!! and the new york philharmonic audio is great - too bad they didn't have high definition color video back then to go with it.
Anyone who has ever tried to follow the score to this music will know how complex the rhythms are. It's an ordeal trying to follow it, never mind play it. It's a joy to listen to though.
Ironically, it is easy to conduct because while the players have odd placements of phrases, the "beating" is mostly in fours, twos, or six eights. No worries for the conductor. The fiddle players (especially) have to count like mad.
I don't think the rhythms are that complex though I'm sure they look complex on the page. You have to hear the music and hum it in the shower. What gives me trouble is Up the Neck by the Pretenders, or Spirits in the Material World by the Police though I'm sure the rhythms are trivially simple on the page.
I can hum it. I have never played it in an orchestra. How can musical rhythm be more complex than it sounds? That's kind of an oxymoron, isn't it? Okay, it could look very complex on the page and since musicians have to follow the score it might give them trouble,. To me this music is intuitive whereas something like George Crumb is not intuitive. Bernstein's West Side Story music sounds rhythmically trickier to my ear.
Okay, humming is not playing it. A musical piece can easily be more complex than it sounds. I know many pieces that sound pertty simple when you listen to them, but when you actually play them, they're far more difficult and complex than you think. This is one of them. As the original poster said, it's much more difficult to play than to listen to. And saying that Sting is more difficult to play than Copland is pretty funny.
What I would give for a time machine that would allow me to go back and see this concert in person with Bernstein and Copeland together. Thank you so much for uploading this! BTW: The filming of this is surprisingly modern, with multiple, mobile camera perspectives, not just one or two fixed cameras as was more common then (and even today). Also a bit surprised this rendition as overseen by the composer is a bit more even paced and lower energy than some of the other recordings of this I have heard...
It would've been an honor to play Mr. Copland's works under Aaron Copland himself. Fun fact, I was born 6 days after Aaron Copland's 100th birthday. I couldn't imagine living in a world where Stravinsky, Copland, and Bernstein were all alive.
I remember the closing part of this as the closing theme in the late 60's and early 70's for La Hora Nacional (The National Hour), a one-hour radio program produced by the General Directorate of Radio, Television and Film (RTC) of the Mexican Secretariat of the Interior, which airs at 10pm on Sunday nights on all radio stations in Mexico, as required by Mexican broadcasting law.
Spike Lee She's GOTTA HAVE IT BRUNG ME TO THIS AMAZING ARTIST WOW!!!!!TO BE A FAN OF MUSIC U HAVE TO LUV ALL MUSIC MUSIC IS UNIVERSAL LANGUAGES ARE DIVIDED BUT MUSIC IS TIMELESS
Muy muy impresionante Festiva Dulce Y termina como México 🇲🇽 Explosiva Hasta que vi la película "Salón México" La conocí. Even Saw the "Salón México" film ( by the way excellent ,master pièce) Just know it Aaron Copland suite Is't a Nice tribute Master work
WOW! Copland was pure genius. One thing I noticed about this video, however, is that there are no women in the orchestra. I'd say we've come a long way since 1960!
Terry Prater I don't see any blacks or Sikhs either, but there is at least one jew: no prizes for spotting him. People get a job in an orchestra after playing to the required standard at an (often screened) audition and then being a pleasant colleague on the job. These simple criteria limit the number of suitable musicians so much that orchestras couldn't then and can't now afford to be choosy about sex, race or religion.
walter wall Actually, it a well-known fact that both American and Europeans orchestras discriminated against women during much of the 20th century. You mentioned race and religion, but the fact is that those are much smaller percentages of the population than women... definitely a false equivolence. Do your research.
screened auditions are standard now, but weren't till the very late 20th century. Back then, it looked much more "official" or "prestigious" or whatever to have an all male orchestra. It was an expectation. Women could play in community orchestras, but not the big ones.
The Wiener Philharmoniker explicitly forbade women until the 1980s, I believe. The first female member, a harpist, was quite a controversial addition, I think.
Inspired ❤in Famous Salon Mexico a place for Dancing a place with Great Musicians too Cubans Danzoneras.......but a Place for Hookers a Real Club Nocturno from de 40s and 50s most.........You should see the Movie is Just Fantastic ❤🎉😮😮😮😮..........Viva México Gringos Cabrones🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂😂😊😊😊😊Viva!!
Describe Paul Bowles en sus Memorias de nómada, que vino con Aaron Copland a México y uno de los lugares que visitaron fue precisamente el salón de baile ubicado por el barrio de Santa María la Rivera que se llamaba Salón México, y de él se inspiró como una narrativa de esas visitas a ese lugar.
I heard this for the first time last night (Monday March 15th, 2021) on my way home from work on Iowa Public Radio Classical only it was the last bit so I didn’t know what it was until they said what the piece was and who made it. Because before that to me it had the sound of West Side Story combined with Magnificent Seven, and to me what sounded like a little eastern influence.
It's still under copyright, so you won't find it online for free. legally. You might still find the score at a large public library. I remember taking scores from the Chicago Public Library back in the 1970s and copying out the trumpet parts to practice. Certainly a music school ought to have it in their library.
For anyone still looking for an answer to this, I know the Library of Congress has some of Copeland's scores digitized and available in their online collections.
People who upload content like this to TH-cam are my heroes.
I played flute in the New York Youth Symphony Orchestra on this piece at Carnegie Hall in 1978.. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Copland when he came to a rehearsal and conducted the orchestra on this piece.
Correction *1968
wow. That is so cool. How was he like?
APPLAUSE, AND MORE APPLAUSE! Hats off to you sir! I love this piece. I love Copeland's iconic compositions. I loved Bernstein (he achieved sainthood with West Side Story). The NY Philharmonic is a total class act! Long may it live!
Wow. I could have only wished!
Yes I stand corrected 1968
Nothing better than Copland conducting Copland. When he passed away in 1990 I wore all black that day.
Watching Copland almost elevate off the podium as he exhorts the orchestra through those final, magnificent crescendos...it literally brings tears to my eyes. There is nothing like watching a genius conduct his own great composition. And god love Lenny Bernstein for always being the ultimate champion of Copland's incredible oeuvre.
There's nothing like Copland directed by Copland!!!!!! Thanks so much for posting!
What a great conductor Mr Copeland is? He makes very intricate melodies, and patterns look easy. Bravo
Two of my musical heroes. What joy to hear an American sound from the NYP . Copeland brings me peace, Lenny joy. Thanks for posting this.
Bernstein slips in from the wings at 12:05 so that he can be the one to smack the giant drum. With a big grin.
Wow!!! Great observation! Thanks for pointing that out. And I love the expression on Bernstein's face.... pure joy!
burtcolk thank you!
That is charming to learn. From what I know or remember about him, very much how he was about living his life.
Don’t forget about Epstein slipping out of prison
Simply marvelous. What couple of titans. I miss the integrity, charisma and genius of both Lenny and Aaron. Eternal gratitude for all the gifts they left behind.
Couple of nice Jewish boys from NYC❣️
Sitting in the choir in London's Royal Festival Hall, I saw Copland in the late 60s conducting his own work and Gershwin's Concerto in F. He seemed to be the most charming of men smiling as he conducted throughout all of the pieces and, for those of us who had never seen him before, particularly tall. Most of all, of course, he was a genius and wrote some of the greatest symphonic music of the 20th century that will entertain and inspire for centuries to come.
Una joya 😎 increíble que grabaciones tan viejas suenen asi de bien. Gracias por compartir 🎼
El Salón México fue la primera obra que escuché de Copland, dirigida por Bernstein. Desde entonces ha permanecido en mí como una de las piezas favoritas del autor. Me ha encantado ver este vídeo dirigiéndola él mismo!!
Grande forza evocatrice. Atmosfere gioiose si alterna no a quelle malinconiche
Si lo sabías perdón: Se cuenta que el maestro Aaron Copland compuso esta obra maestra inspirado en el hecho de que un día visitó el Salón Mexico cuando este estaba en sus días de gloria, y el maestro Copland quedo muy impresionado por la fastuosidad del salón y del ambiente, que le daba toda la gente ahí presente bailando danzón, y de ahí le surgió la idea de componer esta obra titulándola con el nombre de aquel lugar que lo había dejado gratamente impresionado: “EL Salón México”.
@@MrCaifanero no lo sabía, gracias por la info. Dónde está ese Salón México?
What??? How can anyone give this a thumbs down?!!! Miss you Lenny!!!!
This is such a masterwork of rhythm and texture. A superb performance and so great to see Copland take genuine pleasure in conducting it.
WONDERFUL job conducting!!!!!!
LOVE to see the composers conduct their own works.
Aaron Copland was a true genius. One of those excellent old-school composers, those unrivaled artists.
Thanks for posting this. It's an added pleasure to see Copland conducting it with such delight!
Copland....what else is there to be said! His music captures the true feeling of American (the Southwest in particular) rugged adventure and individualism, ie, Billy The Kid Suite, Fanfare to the Common Man, etc, etc. The strains of his compositions truly are Americana......Matthew Brazille...Long Berach, CA
Wow, what a historical document!
Que hermosa musica, no puedo dejar de escucharla, el señor Aaron Copland un genio!!!
Pero criticó muy feo a Silvestre Revueltas en un escrito.
Excelente composición, histórica interpretación musical,👋👋👋👋👌🌈
It was in the early 1950s that CBS telecast a Sunday afternoon hour-long program called "Omnibus" that was hosted by Alistair Cooke. It lasted until 1961. The show was along the lines of today's CBS Sunday Morning when Charles Kuralt and Charles Osgood were the hosts. Anyway, it was during a 1953 or 1954 edition of Omnibus that I was introduced to the music of Aaron Copland. I was 9 years old, taken by the claim that he had created an "American sound".....I've been a lover of Copland's works ever since. I attended his 80th Birthday concert at the Kennedy Center when he, Leonard Bernstein and Mstislav Rostropovich all took turns conducting the National Symphony.
Thanks for sharing this historic moment!
Giants walked the Earth in those days
This symphony is a symphony of memories that I played at a brass band contest 40 years ago. At that time the record being released was limited. It seems like a dream that it is possible to enjoy the performances by composers in modern times.
I played lead horn in high school competition in 1987. There were three notes in this song I nailed that made me an absolute star.
Copeland and Bernstein. 2 all time Great musicians 🙏 just beautiful❤
Still one of my all-time favorites
There is greatness.
There is genius.
Often the two don’t intersect in one human.
In Messrs. Bernstein and Copland we have both in both men. Bravo!!
What an excellent piece this is!
...excellent..! I would love to see more of Copland conducting...!
So beautiful and so powerful....
I can remember as a child placing the LP for this on our huge hi-fi, setting it turning and
just lying on the floor in front of its huge speakers and letting its sound pour over me. I
get it that Copland was inspired by the amazing music and dancers at El Salon, but I
cannot hear this piece without thinking of the Mexican Revolution... and I swear there
are parts having the spirit of the horses of the Villistas and the Zapatistas tearing over
the ridge to battle.
We played this in the late 80's in high school symphonic orchestra - I think we submitted it to State and won that year. Very challenging piece. Other performances I found didn't do it the justice this one did, thank you for posting.
At the 8:09, 9:34, 10:01, and 11:03 minute marks -- my former teacher, Peter Simenauer, is playing the E-flat soprano clarinet solos. This was Peter's first season with the NY Philharmonic as its associate principal and E-flat soprano clarinetist -- a position he held from 1960 through 1998.
This guy was having so much fun!!!
How anyone could give this superb performance the thumb's down is beyond me.
One of Bernstein's first efforts was a piano transcription of El Salon Mexico. It's pretty amazing as well.
love all things copeland and bernstein!! and the new york philharmonic
audio is great - too bad they didn't have high definition color video back then to go with it.
I’m not sure it’s gets better than this. It’s a musical painting.
Anyone who has ever tried to follow the score to this music will know how complex the rhythms are. It's an ordeal trying to follow it, never mind play it. It's a joy to listen to though.
Ironically, it is easy to conduct because while the players have odd placements of phrases, the "beating" is mostly in fours, twos, or six eights. No worries for the conductor. The fiddle players (especially) have to count like mad.
I don't think the rhythms are that complex though I'm sure they look complex on the page. You have to hear the music and hum it in the shower. What gives me trouble is Up the Neck by the Pretenders, or Spirits in the Material World by the Police though I'm sure the rhythms are trivially simple on the page.
DucksDeLucks - Have you played this? It’s far more complex than it sounds.
I can hum it. I have never played it in an orchestra. How can musical rhythm be more complex than it sounds? That's kind of an oxymoron, isn't it? Okay, it could look very complex on the page and since musicians have to follow the score it might give them trouble,. To me this music is intuitive whereas something like George Crumb is not intuitive. Bernstein's West Side Story music sounds rhythmically trickier to my ear.
Okay, humming is not playing it. A musical piece can easily be more complex than it sounds. I know many pieces that sound pertty simple when you listen to them, but when you actually play them, they're far more difficult and complex than you think. This is one of them. As the original poster said, it's much more difficult to play than to listen to. And saying that Sting is more difficult to play than Copland is pretty funny.
We played this song when I was a senior in high school; I had that drum solo 👍
What I would give for a time machine that would allow me to go back and see this concert in person with Bernstein and Copeland together. Thank you so much for uploading this! BTW: The filming of this is surprisingly modern, with multiple, mobile camera perspectives, not just one or two fixed cameras as was more common then (and even today). Also a bit surprised this rendition as overseen by the composer is a bit more even paced and lower energy than some of the other recordings of this I have heard...
凄く貴重ですね！。私この曲大好きです。
この曲は日本の吹奏楽コンクールの自由曲の定番です。コンクールは時間制限があるのでだいぶカットされていますが、それでも素晴らしいです。あと、管弦楽だと吹奏楽とは感じが違いますね。私はどちらも好きです。
In honor of our high school band director Mr. Art Guajardo. RIP.❤
It would've been an honor to play Mr. Copland's works under Aaron Copland himself. Fun fact, I was born 6 days after Aaron Copland's 100th birthday. I couldn't imagine living in a world where Stravinsky, Copland, and Bernstein were all alive.
Qué nostalgia me produce ver y oír esto!! 1960... Uao!
I remember the closing part of this as the closing theme in the late 60's and early 70's for La Hora Nacional (The National Hour), a one-hour radio program produced by the General Directorate of Radio, Television and Film (RTC) of the Mexican Secretariat of the Interior, which airs at 10pm on Sunday nights on all radio stations in Mexico, as required by Mexican broadcasting law.
True, no wonder it sounds so familiar!...heard it throughout all my youth.
"The Men" sound excellent here! I love Copland.
Spike Lee She's GOTTA HAVE IT BRUNG ME TO THIS AMAZING ARTIST WOW!!!!!TO BE A FAN OF MUSIC U HAVE TO LUV ALL MUSIC MUSIC IS UNIVERSAL LANGUAGES ARE DIVIDED BUT MUSIC IS TIMELESS
I grew up on this great music from one set of grandparents. Other set was old time country & easy listening
Educated to be a HS music teacher (Tuba) & played this in orchestras
Muy muy impresionante
Festiva
Dulce
Y termina como México 🇲🇽
Explosiva
Hasta que vi la película "Salón México"
La conocí.
Even Saw the "Salón México" film ( by the way excellent ,master pièce)
Just know it Aaron Copland suite
Is't a Nice tribute
Master work
WOW! Copland was pure genius. One thing I noticed about this video, however, is that there are no women in the orchestra. I'd say we've come a long way since 1960!
Terry Prater I don't see any blacks or Sikhs either, but there is at least one jew: no prizes for spotting him. People get a job in an orchestra after playing to the required standard at an (often screened) audition and then being a pleasant colleague on the job. These simple criteria limit the number of suitable musicians so much that orchestras couldn't then and can't now afford to be choosy about sex, race or religion.
To clarify, it is your position that orchestras did not officially limit their membership to men in decades past?
walter wall Actually, it a well-known fact that both American and Europeans orchestras discriminated against women during much of the 20th century. You mentioned race and religion, but the fact is that those are much smaller percentages of the population than women... definitely a false equivolence. Do your research.
screened auditions are standard now, but weren't till the very late 20th century. Back then, it looked much more "official" or "prestigious" or whatever to have an all male orchestra. It was an expectation. Women could play in community orchestras, but not the big ones.
The Wiener Philharmoniker explicitly forbade women until the 1980s, I believe. The first female member, a harpist, was quite a controversial addition, I think.
Bernstein has a lovely speaking voice - I've never really noticed that before... :)
En los años 50 se filmó una película llamada Fiesta Brava, con Ricardo Montalban cuya inspiración musical era Salón México.
One of the first composers that was truly American
OMG this is so good
This is my life in Salon México.
A definitive performance!
Stanley Drucker, principal clarinet. Looking like a kid genius then, he's still with us at 93.
The movie Salon Mexico brought me here
Me too, I was watching the movie "Salon Mexico" and when they mentioned Copland and this compositon, I googled it inmediately.
WONDERFULL¡¡¡¡
Fantastic.
Wow👌
Y ese ritmo de habanera maravilloso 😍 del comienzo...
2 légendes de la musique américaine
Inspired ❤in Famous Salon Mexico a place for Dancing a place with Great Musicians too Cubans Danzoneras.......but a Place for Hookers a Real Club Nocturno from de 40s and 50s most.........You should see the Movie is Just Fantastic ❤🎉😮😮😮😮..........Viva México Gringos Cabrones🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂😂😊😊😊😊Viva!!
I don't care what genre of music you normally listen to. But if you watch and listen to this, and are not moved, then you are not a music lover.
The late great Saul Goodman playing the timpani. I learned to play timpani from his manual entitled Modern Method For Tympani
Who's playing Eb clarinet? He is marvelous!!
Ist wirklich witzig. Der Komponist ist witzig. Bringt Humor in die Musik. Schön dass es ihn gab. Wie auch ,,Bought me a Cat...'' ist sehr lustig.
Describe Paul Bowles en sus Memorias de nómada, que vino con Aaron Copland a México y uno de los lugares que visitaron fue precisamente el salón de baile ubicado por el barrio de Santa María la Rivera que se llamaba Salón México, y de él se inspiró como una narrativa de esas visitas a ese lugar.
it's amaging!
Saul Goodman on timpani. I trained to be a timpanist using his book : Modern Method for Timpani
I heard this for the first time last night (Monday March 15th, 2021) on my way home from work on Iowa Public Radio Classical only it was the last bit so I didn’t know what it was until they said what the piece was and who made it. Because before that to me it had the sound of West Side Story combined with Magnificent Seven, and to me what sounded like a little eastern influence.
COPLAND MASTERPIECE!
Wow!!
Woooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some Composers weren't conductors.... And then some like Copland, Britten, and Stravinsky....werent too bad. 😀
very good
what is that melody that starts at 4:14? It's so beautiful. Does it come from a Mexican song?
According to this it's El Mosco: www.northbsr.com/PDF/41057383-El-Salon-Mexico-Analysis.pdf
Thanks for that
Gil Evans quotes that melody in Blues For Pablo on Miles Ahead.
HBD Aaron Copeland...
Brilliant
who else watched this when they were in Chorus class
Me imagino unos mexicanos cabalgando en él espacio 🥰.
women waited to technicolor filming...
Who cares?
I liked it. :)
Great performance. I wish someone could re-engineer the sound so that it was less tinny and had more depth, but I'm grateful for the post.
この上なく幸せそうなコープランド！
Salon Mexico's style remembers me Silvestre Revueltas and others nationalist composers.
xollotl ome Copland actually visited Mexico and met Revueltas early in his career. He was definitely influenced by him.
🖤❤️🖤❤️
And the kids sat through it. We really do coddle young listeners these days.
not only did they sit through it, many seemed genuinely interested in what was going on.
10:20 Copland is getting it in his conducting pattern lol! Doesn't look great but damn he's having an amazing time.
It's the time signature. When you're at rest and counting. That's literally happening in your brain!! Lol
A young Stanley Drucker.
He should have heard Danzones in the Salon Mexico...
Quien es clarinet eb?
Baile mi rey Paco con Merceditas y Guadalupe el cuico.
Anyone know where I can find the music sheet to this for free? please, it would be a big help.
It's still under copyright, so you won't find it online for free. legally. You might still find the score at a large public library. I remember taking scores from the Chicago Public Library back in the 1970s and copying out the trumpet parts to practice. Certainly a music school ought to have it in their library.
For anyone still looking for an answer to this, I know the Library of Congress has some of Copeland's scores digitized and available in their online collections.
Twenty-seven people are never happy with anything.
~Mal Reinhören in die Filmszene mit Ricardo Montalban (gespielt von Andre Previn) ....genial: th-cam.com/video/S-Q49bIo1v4/w-d-xo.html