Katie was painted as the villain in the relationship and probably internalized a lot of it. We saw pieces of the real Schwartz starting to come thru, starting with how he treated her when they pranked Jax. She's endured so much more than we could ever realize. I cannot wait to hear the rest of her story, after she meets and falls in love with a real man.
I think Katie is right that Sandoval would throw Schwartz under the bus if the roles were reversed. And not only would he throw him under the bus, I think he would use it as an opportunity to bolster himself and portray himself as the good guy.
He did throw Schwartz under the bus by getting him to fake an attraction to Rachel to throw off the scent! And in turn ruining his business...That's what happens when you stand by d bags.
Katie’s marriage didn’t stand a chance with Sandoval involved. He probably always advised Schwartz to go against her. Good for her for being so strong and leaving the marriage.
A marriage is between two. I don’t think he is the reason they split. She had to give him an ultimatum to get married and he gave a ring on a string. There were problems even before they got married.
He most certainly did! Said he didn’t want Katie’s input in the bar! Her husband & success of bar were a financial importance! Their house, their bank account, their credit score. Sandoval just wanted his biatch boy Schwartz to shut her out. Puppet Master! Partying came first. Perpetual childhood & they never matured.
I've followed VPR for years and I've always felt Tom S never had Katie's back. I understand she can be a hard personality at times but it never felt like he was her "person" like she was for him. I'm excited to see Katie move forward and find someone who will be all in for her.
As much as I love Schwartz, I noticed that too but I think it’s a maturity difference but yes your bride or husband better come first or they won’t last
Tom Schwartz was/is more concerned with being liked by others than having his wife's back. And the times he yelled at her in front of others, so wrong!!!!! When Katie has a strong man by her side, her energy will change and she won't always feel like she has to stick up for herself bc she will know she has a true partner. She looks amazing now.....🎉glow up ❤❤
I agree. She gets a lot of shit and I see so many comments about her being a bully, but personally I feel like she is one of the realest people on the show. I would definitely want her in my corner if she were in my friend group
Schwartz was not a good husband to her at all. In one episode when she said we’re married you should support me he said it’s just a piece of paper. People always get on her case about being mean but when your not in a good relationship you don’t shine. I think we’re going to see Katie shine and thrive
Schwartz made Katie look bad, she was always upset because he never HEARD her. He never took her feelings into account, she was frustrated because he just wasn’t emotionally available. I know exactly how she feels, he made the worst of her come out. When a man gives you space and true love you never act out of character as much as he did to her.
@@micaela409 100% When you have a straight forward person, they hate wishy washy characters that pretend they did not have an opinion in previous conversations. Katie stands firmly in her opinion with little to no budge, which Schwartz was unwilling to do. They both hurt each other, but instead of Schwartz trying to stand up for himself, he would be passive aggressive, get drunk, & then cheat on her. It is best that they are looking at a life that didn't include needing the other person to change.
NO EXCUSES...She was just awful and still is, thank goodness she filed for divorce, poor Tom would have miserably stayed like a puppy, now he is free to be and not waste another year tied to his mistake. He is so neat.
I actually commented the same thing. They would make a cute couple of he is singles. There is a chemistry. He seems to be a sweet guy with a head in his shoulders . Is his last name Vialli. I jus got watching his show in the last few months. Want to know more about him and I think he plus Katie be hot together
Always team Katie from day one. It’s so nice to see Katie thrive. Tom never put her first. That was hard to watch. Katie is coming into her own. I would love to see her and Ariana get their own show.
Not a Katie fan at all; she was far from innocent. She is the exact meaning of being a Bully with mean girl attitude. if you didn’t agree with her, she automatically catch you out and started talking behind your back.
Katie has been so severely misunderstood. I have always loved her and stood up for her for this very reason. Being married to the fun guy that everyone loves is HARD. By default you can sometimes look like the hard one or difficult one. I love Katie so much
I hate how everyone is being so rude to her. I have been in Katie’s shoes with the guy choosing his business and bff over me. It’s so draining and everyone thinks something is wrong with you because they’re portrayed as the fun guy and don’t see who they really are behind closed doors. Props to her for standing her ground and leaving.
I 100 % agree. Katie has always gotten the bad rep and called a mean girl bc tom was the "fun" guy and she spoke her mind and wasn't FAKE she has always been the most real one on the show
Schwartz will never dump Sandoval. Their friendship is way stronger than infidelities, betrayal,etc. Completely messed up but that’s what I get from their interactions.
So much Katie hate in these comments - I love her personally. I think there's a lot to her comment that it's not easy being married to the guy that's never at fault for anything. Love seeing single Katie glow up.
Yeah there Really and truly is. It made me regret some feelings I’ve had about her in the past. She’s so right. And I know in my own life, my husband can do something to piss me off and I’m still mad about it later because he just pretended it away and then he’s so confused and wondering why on earth I’M creating a rift that moment even though I KNOW he did lol. It’s not QUITE THE SAME as Katie explaining it but It did instantly come to mind and help me relate to her and made me really sad I had some certain thoughts about her. Despite always being a fan of her. (I just wanted her to be more laid back but I always adored her)
I love Katie too! She, LaLa, & Stassi have always been my top favorites. They are the three that get the most hate too but they speak their mind & they are honest. All three have greatly matured over the span of VR tho & people need to not judge them on the early seasons. Everyone changes & matures…b4 people throw stones, they should ask themselves how well their own life (edited by others!!) would stand up to scrutiny! Mine wouldn’t lol!
I hate it too. So many hatful comments about Katie . Saying she a hatful person but their hateful comments contradict. Schwartz’ always got a pass and made Katie look bad.
@@jvictorian1617 I can't even imagine having my husband make out with other women, never take my side, put every persons feelings in front of mine then still be considered the wronged person in the marriage. Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course but the amount of woman on woman hate this has brought out makes my soul hurt.
I loved this episode. I've always loved Katie and it's awesome to see her actual personality in a relaxed environment. I don't know how anyone could watch this and walk away with a bad opinion of her.😊
regardless of how you might feel about stassi: straight up with stassi podcast has a lot of episodes with Katie, her personality shines through 😊 check it out
I think a lot of people mis-interpret Katie’s personality as cold. I think, based on what I’ve seen in her interactions with others, I see her as trying to protect herself from being hutt by others. Especially since her split with Swartz.
@@clairemariefergley I have a love/hate relationship with Stassi lol but I have heard a few episodes of her podcast. I really enjoyed them. Thanks for the heads up I'll check her out again.
@@IzzyBee222 I love Katie too! I think she’s a little bit awkward and I feel like she’s always been a polarizing person to viewers so I’m sure she is way more guarded now. So many viewers refuse to cut her a single break even now when Tom’s behavior is being called out for what is is and always has been.
You are so right about Schwartz! We have also seen the way he has treated Katie. He has spoken so ugly to her! He was never in the marriage completely. He has always put Sandavol first. Sandavol doesnt like Katie because she is a strong woman. He listened to Sandavol too much!
Katie, I think Schwartz and Scandoval really lowered the vibration on both you and Ariana, and now that you got rid of that deadweight you’re both shining bright, and will continue to soar as they continue to fall!
I honestly think Rachel and Tom have been sleeping together for a long time, like way longer than they claim! I think their affair is the reason James and Rachel broke up. If you go back and rewatch last seasons reunion when Rachel announces that they are breaking up, Tom looks so fucking nervous like he’s afraid she’s about out their relationship!!
That would be foul on a whole other level, considering he paid for James' proposal to Raquel. Truth always comes to light, so we'll find out eventually.
I think it started after james. Raquel got closer to tom. Ariana wasn’t even around half the time. Ariana and tom seemed to have drifted away from each other but the home tied them to stay.
I really hope you get the chance to have Schwartz on and just confront him as another man about wtf he is up to because he really needs to get outside the Sandoval bubble he has been in for years
Don’t see it! If you don’t agree with her, she’ll turn on you so fast. She wanted the divorce, even though I think it was probably for the best, she still wanted to tell Tom what to do.
You’re so right about Schwartz. Men like him get away with being likeable, and acting like everything will be ok ONLY because they have strong women behind them to pick up all the shit they leave in their wake…right down to trimming their armpit hair! I was married to one of these men. Everyone loved him, life of the party, so friendly…but an idiot I. Private who couldn’t take responsibility for anything. These men need ro take the dummy out and grow up.
I think Schwartz one true loyalty is and has always been to Sandoval, and Katie is still giving this guy more grace than he deserves. It doesn't matter what he says, it appears that his loyalty to Sandoval came at the expense of Ariana. Ariana even unfollowed him so I don't think he had even supported her through. Probably hiding and avoiding conflict somewhere. As always. It's tough to respect someone like that. He's not good friend material to anyone but one person.
😂 OMG I DIDN’T EVEN NOTICE!!!! I kept looking at the bed wondering where the puppy was this time! I’ve never once watched and not seen a puppy in the puppy bed! Thank you. That’s adorable. She IS FOR SURE a very calming person in general. Her voice her speed her body language is calm. So cute. And honestly I can’t see very well so It could be an entirely different dog but still. So cute.
I have been rewatching VPR from when Raquel came on and I DEFINITELY think that she and Sandoval have been sleeping together a LOT longer than they are admitting to !! Before she left James, they said they didn’t have sex for over a YEAR! Same for Tom and Ariana, they weren’t intimate for a very long time. Just watching the way Sandoval defended Raquel, the fact that he gave Janes $12k for “their engagement,” 🤔 🤔 I believe that’s the reason that she called off the engagement! But we’ll probably never knows 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
I feel like two things can be true at once, Schwartz and Katie were both heroes and villains in their relationship. He's spineless, and she's mean-spirited.
Katie and Lala have been telling us that Sandoval is an idiot for the longest time. Glad we're finally listening, although I'm so sorry that it took this whole shitshow and Ariana's broken heart.
I think that LALA is obnoxious!! I guarantee no one would miss her lol I think they just put up with her because otherwise she would try and destroy them all she’s a very mean person to the core I never respected her!
@@sheila9393 I don't see her that way at all. She was immature in the beginning and has made some questionable choices, but I feel she's grown and I really like her now: the way she is with her beautiful baby, the friendship she's built with Scheana, the strength she has in her sobriety, the way she made amends with Brock and so on. On the other hand, Sandoval has been a consistent manchild for the entire show. No maturity, no respect for others, no remorse whatsoever, lots of narcissism and what else?
@@federicat920 yeah I think bc of the things she’s done and said in the past I just won’t probably ever like her I don’t think, lol however I suppose that doesn’t mean she hasn’t matured some! Just not my kind of friend I guess I think she’s very superficial but then again a lot of ppl in Los Angeles are anyways. Hopefully she’s learned lessons and becomes an even smarter person from all of it. I just don’t like the way she flirts with peoples men, says rude things and doesn’t watch her words very much it just rubs me the wrong way
Schwartz is just as guilty as Tom Sandervol because he was part of hiding this whole affair. He is even participated in it when he had double dates with them. I have lost all respect with both of them and if their business suffers because of their reputations all well!
@@alexisb240I don't necessarily hope that. They still have to eat. Swartz last season was saying he was sending money to his family because the pandemic really messed them up. I think we can critique them without praying on their downfall. As far as Sandervol I think he's getting his karma rn. I don't think he's happy and I think he knows he fucked up.
tom tried in his spineless way to try to out him by saying on camera “i’m beginning to think raquel has a crush on someone else” tom doesn’t even ask who
I’ve always loved Katie. And I hated how the show sometimes portrayed her. Sandoval was always SO involved in her marriage, way more than he should’ve EVER been. Side note- seeing Katie in that cardigan… makes me love her even more to know that she’s a Swiftie!
i will never forget the scene from the earlier seasons when schwartz at stassis birthday dinner during the trip put katie down so aggressively like those were his true colours showing back from years ago just because you don't agree with your partner doesn't mean you should put them down like that
I honestly don’t understand what shwartz gets out of his toxic friendship with sandoval. Before the scandoval you could argue their businesses but now there’s truly nothing. Shwartz has never had Katie’s back, actually no one’s back but sandovals. You can still be the fun guy but be respectful and have boundaries. Funny how Rachel said Sandoval taught her boundaries because let’s be real here he has no idea what they truly are.
Katie looks amazing!! Im so glad she dropped swartz. She grew n swartz just stayed the same n never became the man she needed and deserved. Shes so much at peace it seems without swartz. Im glad she decided not to settle. Shes definitely my favorite this season! Loving Katie's GLOWUP! Get it gurl!!!💙💙🔥🔥🔥
Raquel is what you would call her out of respect, Rachael is what they call her now for lack of. It’s completely understandable. Also, I feel FINALLY after 10 seasons Katie is finally being seen and heard. It couldn’t come at a better time either. I admire how she doesn’t throw her ex under the bus as well.
How? I see it as the opposite. She wants to go by Rachel now, as if symbolic of her being more real/rebranding herself, so continuing to call her Raquel, which is how she was always known to all of the cast, would be more “disrespectful” as it would be denying this fake rebrand and acknowledging her for all of her behaviour/denying her wish of being called Rachel now.
I think Schwartz will always be friends with Sandoval. Despite the fact that they USED HIM as a cover withRaquel to hide the affair - and I doubt Sandoval or Raquel apologized for it. He doesn’t have a backbone when it comes to Sandoval ever
I’ve always loved Katie! So nice to see her coming out to shine instead of just being Schwartz’s wife. Ally is great! I think she is a lot stronger than what the hosts made out her to be
I hope you reach out to Scheana for a future episode. Katie kinda brushed over a lot that has happened in their friendship dynamic and it's definitely not all on Scheana. Katie has being on the wrong plenty of times, more so during the Stassi era. In fact, the closest they ever were was when Stassi was not on the show. I do hope they can work through their issues now that Rachel was proved to be a scam.
Yup. I’m surprised that she hasn’t walked back her anger at Scheana during the season. Katie is good at calling people out but wants her part in the problems to be ignored.
Stassi dumps their friendship over Katie being kind to Scheana. Scheana has never been so close to Swartz but she's always been poor Scheana the mean girl victim while bashing Katie for screen time. I lost all respect or concern after Scheana behavior. Not once did anyone put Shay over Scheana no they supported her with all three of her new spouses...
I never thought the marriage would last, unfortunately. He seemed commitment phobic, and after the (was it a) promise ring tied around her neck, I thought she should have ended the relationship. She deserves so much better!
I’m loving the person Katie is becoming. She’s unapologetically herself and I aspire to be as comfortable and cool in my skin as she seems to be in hers. We should all want to hear more from her.
I love Katie, I’ve loved her from day 1 of vpr. She’s so insightful and well spoken. She’s also hilarious when she’s tequila Katie. She loves hard and I appreciate that
@@dholmesnc I've been saying this since I saw the Vegas episode. Raquel left that trip knowing exactly how to get her revenge. Horrible, but that's how it went down 100%
28:00 Re: Arian being Switzerland, Clearly Nick has not seen season 5 as I rewatched and saw it was cool how Ariana stood up to everyone to have Lala and James back when noone else liked them. She even went against Katie and Sheana to have their back.
Katie n lala are my cup of tea. Their opinion matters n it was heartbreaking watching Katie get blasted at that pool party n hearing Swartz talk about her with the others was so gross n disgusting n nxt episode she calls him out at that dinner in Mexico being one way in front of ppl but behind closed doors talks his ish, in that moment I related to her relationship so much I cried. Ladies we are mentally strong n we know wat we want n we love hard n that doesn't make us crazy! Women love harder then men n my mother taught us that as children n that is the difference between us n men. It could be anything n we love hard n put our full heart body n soul into everything we do n that is empowerment!
Best interview by far that I have watched in a long time. Now people you see why Katie felt the way she did. He treated her like crap . So glad these two ladies are free from these two Tom toms. The dum and dumber. Girls go enjoy your life an Shine!!!!!!!
Apparently he often would go out partying and not come home . Then next day say he spent night out at a friends . Acted like teenager telling his mom. My 24 year old son lives with his gf , been about 2 plus years. He would never do that to her.
Omg last night on the reunion when James called them “tweedle dee and tweedle little d*ck” and Tom goes “am I tweedle dee” making light of the insult and Katie just shook her head because it WAS such a serious moment despite James’ funny comment lol, but James had me dying
omg i never knew she was a capricorn. as a fellow capricorn, i wasn’t her biggest fan pre divorce but i’m really starting to understand her now. also seeing her in this setting, she seems very chill, level headed and more mature. you can tell she’s grown and reflected a lot post-divorce
I stopped watching VPR in season 3. I did not like Katie at all. I went and watched season 9 & am watching season 10. I believe 💯 T Sw is in the wrong. Hitched his wagon to T San when he should have been putting his time and resources towards his marriage. I hope Katie finds peace & happiness.
I seriously hope Tom goes for interview. I do not think he has ever made a decision on his own. He will agree with whatever Sandaval wants. He allowed Sandaval to use him with Rachel knowing that it was hurting Katie.
I'm guessing that the producers were giving her a really unflattering edit to create more drama. Maybe that'll change now that she and Ariana are free from the Toms!
If Nick isn’t married, him and Katie would look good together! Katie you carry yourself so well and you are a very sweet lady. Your Ex is going to look back and realize what a diamond he had and put others before you. You go woman! Don’t look back.
Katie seems actually content and happy..of course she misses Tom, but he kept her in turmoil always he playing doormat to the other Tom then when Katie tries to push him to be a man, he turns on her snd takes the other side, its bizzare...he's a people pleaser, doesn't want conflict except with Katie..He will take this to his future relationships
Hearing Katie refer to life as not being ‘linear’ was a full Tom Schwartz influence- which reminds me that he has to be the most clueless human being who simultaneously has one of the best vocabularies. He is well-spoken and can use words better than most ‘in Hollywood/Hollywood-adjacent’ but he doesn’t have a clue about life. Slays me.
Katie was painted as the villain in the relationship and probably internalized a lot of it. We saw pieces of the real Schwartz starting to come thru, starting with how he treated her when they pranked Jax. She's endured so much more than we could ever realize. I cannot wait to hear the rest of her story, after she meets and falls in love with a real man.
I think Katie is right that Sandoval would throw Schwartz under the bus if the roles were reversed. And not only would he throw him under the bus, I think he would use it as an opportunity to bolster himself and portray himself as the good guy.
Yes Sandoval will do anything to make himself look good and be the center of attention.
Oh for sure!
He did throw Schwartz under the bus by getting him to fake an attraction to Rachel to throw off the scent! And in turn ruining his business...That's what happens when you stand by d bags.
Yep.
One thousand percent he would. Sandoval looks out for Sandoval.
Katie’s marriage didn’t stand a chance with Sandoval involved. He probably always advised Schwartz to go against her. Good for her for being so strong and leaving the marriage.
Lol her marriage didn't stand a chance with SCHWARTZ involved, lol
100%, especially to Make himself better for the crap he was doing
A marriage is between two. I don’t think he is the reason they split. She had to give him an ultimatum to get married and he gave a ring on a string. There were problems even before they got married.
So true, and this season you can see it more clearly. I've always liked Katie.
He most certainly did! Said he didn’t want Katie’s input in the bar! Her husband & success of bar were a financial importance! Their house, their bank account, their credit score. Sandoval just wanted his biatch boy Schwartz to shut her out. Puppet Master! Partying came first. Perpetual childhood & they never matured.
Schwartz is the definition of “if you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything”
OMG, I've been thinking that all season
Absolutely! 👏👏👏
Literally describes Schwartz TO A TEE
I've followed VPR for years and I've always felt Tom S never had Katie's back. I understand she can be a hard personality at times but it never felt like he was her "person" like she was for him. I'm excited to see Katie move forward and find someone who will be all in for her.
As much as I love Schwartz, I noticed that too but I think it’s a maturity difference but yes your bride or husband better come first or they won’t last
I always thought why marry him. He wasn't even devoted to her when they were dating. She should have always been his #1 but it never seemed that way.
She matured while he stayed stuck.
A hard personality? Understatement of the decade. Mean girl tequila Katie with the 5ft long mean drunk texts, no thanks
Tom Schwartz was/is more concerned with being liked by others than having his wife's back. And the times he yelled at her in front of others, so wrong!!!!!
When Katie has a strong man by her side, her energy will change and she won't always feel like she has to stick up for herself bc she will know she has a true partner. She looks amazing now.....🎉glow up ❤❤
Katie has definitely blossomed post-divorce! Love to see her thriving 🕺🏼🌱
She is still a mean miserable woman
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I agree. She gets a lot of shit and I see so many comments about her being a bully, but personally I feel like she is one of the realest people on the show. I would definitely want her in my corner if she were in my friend group
Dis-like her immensely. She's a bitch
katie is and always has been a bully cu*t.
katie maloney need to be taken off this show!
Schwartz was not a good husband to her at all. In one episode when she said we’re married you should support me he said it’s just a piece of paper. People always get on her case about being mean but when your not in a good relationship you don’t shine. I think we’re going to see Katie shine and thrive
I also don’t think he “forgot” to file the original marriage certificate.
No one knows there personal relationships off cameras. I do think Schwartz loved his wife but a lot of b.s in the middle
And she him.
@@MOOMOO2728there were always 3 people in that marriage unfortunately
Schwartz made Katie look bad, she was always upset because he never HEARD her. He never took her feelings into account, she was frustrated because he just wasn’t emotionally available. I know exactly how she feels, he made the worst of her come out. When a man gives you space and true love you never act out of character as much as he did to her.
AGREE!!!
Hmm idk yes and no. She wasn’t listening to him either! They both didn’t really hear each other
@@micaela409 agreed. Both toxic
@@micaela409 100% When you have a straight forward person, they hate wishy washy characters that pretend they did not have an opinion in previous conversations. Katie stands firmly in her opinion with little to no budge, which Schwartz was unwilling to do. They both hurt each other, but instead of Schwartz trying to stand up for himself, he would be passive aggressive, get drunk, & then cheat on her. It is best that they are looking at a life that didn't include needing the other person to change.
NO EXCUSES...She was just awful and still is, thank goodness she filed for divorce, poor Tom would have miserably stayed like a puppy, now he is free to be and not waste another year tied to his mistake. He is so neat.
Nick and Katie have good podcast chemistry together
I was thinking the same thing!!!
You go Katie, if Nick is single?
I actually commented the same thing. They would make a cute couple of he is singles. There is a chemistry. He seems to be a sweet guy with a head in his shoulders . Is his last name Vialli. I jus got watching his show in the last few months. Want to know more about him and I think he plus Katie be hot together
I ran here to say this! They have so much chemistry and the way he would look at her!
Looking for this comment!! They would be a good couple!! 😊 if he's single of course!
I've always had a soft spot for Katie, and I'm so happy she is thriving
Always team Katie from day one. It’s so nice to see Katie thrive. Tom never put her first. That was hard to watch. Katie is coming into her own. I would love to see her and Ariana get their own show.
Me too
Not a Katie fan at all; she was far from innocent. She is the exact meaning of being a Bully with mean girl attitude. if you didn’t agree with her, she automatically catch you out and started talking behind your back.
@@pamadams3177i agree, she was so mean to scheana calling her names when she was wasted. plus all those rage texts. she was so angry.
She is the epitome of a mean girl. Cringe af
I love Katie Maloney she is 100% REAL. I also love that she never had surgery to fix her scar she is beautiful inside and out. ❤❤
Katie has been so severely misunderstood. I have always loved her and stood up for her for this very reason. Being married to the fun guy that everyone loves is HARD. By default you can sometimes look like the hard one or difficult one. I love Katie so much
I hate how everyone is being so rude to her. I have been in Katie’s shoes with the guy choosing his business and bff over me. It’s so draining and everyone thinks something is wrong with you because they’re portrayed as the fun guy and don’t see who they really are behind closed doors. Props to her for standing her ground and leaving.
I 100 % agree. Katie has always gotten the bad rep and called a mean girl bc tom was the "fun" guy and she spoke her mind and wasn't FAKE she has always been the most real one on the show
Schwartz will never dump Sandoval. Their friendship is way stronger than infidelities, betrayal,etc. Completely messed up but that’s what I get from their interactions.
Schwartz is his bitch and will always be. Nothing will ever change. That’s for sure.
So much Katie hate in these comments - I love her personally. I think there's a lot to her comment that it's not easy being married to the guy that's never at fault for anything. Love seeing single Katie glow up.
Yeah there Really and truly is. It made me regret some feelings I’ve had about her in the past. She’s so right. And I know in my own life, my husband can do something to piss me off and I’m still mad about it later because he just pretended it away and then he’s so confused and wondering why on earth I’M creating a rift that moment even though I KNOW he did lol. It’s not QUITE THE SAME as Katie explaining it but It did instantly come to mind and help me relate to her and made me really sad I had some certain thoughts about her. Despite always being a fan of her. (I just wanted her to be more laid back but I always adored her)
I love Katie too! She, LaLa, & Stassi have always been my top favorites. They are the three that get the most hate too but they speak their mind & they are honest. All three have greatly matured over the span of VR tho & people need to not judge them on the early seasons. Everyone changes & matures…b4 people throw stones, they should ask themselves how well their own life (edited by others!!) would stand up to scrutiny! Mine wouldn’t lol!
I hate it too. So many hatful comments about Katie . Saying she a hatful person but their hateful comments contradict. Schwartz’ always got a pass and made Katie look bad.
@@jvictorian1617 I can't even imagine having my husband make out with other women, never take my side, put every persons feelings in front of mine then still be considered the wronged person in the marriage. Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course but the amount of woman on woman hate this has brought out makes my soul hurt.
He was like that before they got married though. So it’s on her 🤷🏽♀️
I loved this episode. I've always loved Katie and it's awesome to see her actual personality in a relaxed environment. I don't know how anyone could watch this and walk away with a bad opinion of her.😊
regardless of how you might feel about stassi: straight up with stassi podcast has a lot of episodes with Katie, her personality shines through 😊 check it out
I think a lot of people mis-interpret Katie’s personality as cold. I think, based on what I’ve seen in her interactions with others, I see her as trying to protect herself from being hutt by others. Especially since her split with Swartz.
@@IzzyBee222 I completely agree. She definitely has walls up but after being married to Schwartz I don't blame her.
@@clairemariefergley I have a love/hate relationship with Stassi lol but I have heard a few episodes of her podcast. I really enjoyed them. Thanks for the heads up I'll check her out again.
@@IzzyBee222 I love Katie too! I think she’s a little bit awkward and I feel like she’s always been a polarizing person to viewers so I’m sure she is way more guarded now. So many viewers refuse to cut her a single break even now when Tom’s behavior is being called out for what is is and always has been.
You are so right about Schwartz! We have also seen the way he has treated Katie. He has spoken so ugly to her! He was never in the marriage completely. He has always put Sandavol first. Sandavol doesnt like Katie because she is a strong woman. He listened to Sandavol too much!
Katie, I think Schwartz and Scandoval really lowered the vibration on both you and Ariana, and now that you got rid of that deadweight you’re both shining bright, and will continue to soar as they continue to fall!
Katie has never been my favorite on the show. But tom treated her like hot dog water. She deserves better & will probably thrive now.
😂 hot dog water. Man do I love that one.
Hot dog water.....😂😂😂I'm rolling.!! Never heard that one, but it's a good one. The expression, not his actual behavior, I love Katie.❤
By hot dog water, I mean he treated her as if she stinks, is useless & disposable, just figured hot dog water was funnier. Lol
KATIE WEARING A FOLKLORE SWEATER IS EVERYTHING
love that she also wore a lana del rey merch coke necklace at a reunion
@@99centlips so cute 🥰
I honestly think Rachel and Tom have been sleeping together for a long time, like way longer than they claim! I think their affair is the reason James and Rachel broke up. If you go back and rewatch last seasons reunion when Rachel announces that they are breaking up, Tom looks so fucking nervous like he’s afraid she’s about out their relationship!!
i agree -- i just dont think Rachel would have left James (her guaranteed place on the show) unless she had another secure situation lined up.
That would be foul on a whole other level, considering he paid for James' proposal to Raquel. Truth always comes to light, so we'll find out eventually.
I think it started after james. Raquel got closer to tom. Ariana wasn’t even around half the time. Ariana and tom seemed to have drifted away from each other but the home tied them to stay.
100% agree
James and Raquel weren't even having sex for years why did they get engaged
Watching the scene of James and Ariana, if you watch closely Rachel gets up and leaves the table and Tom follows shortly behind. My mouth dropped!!!
I really hope you get the chance to have Schwartz on and just confront him as another man about wtf he is up to because he really needs to get outside the Sandoval bubble he has been in for years
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Ever since Katie left Tom I feel like she's really shining ✨
Don’t see it! If you don’t agree with her, she’ll turn on you so fast. She wanted the divorce, even though I think it was probably for the best, she still wanted to tell Tom what to do.
I agree
She's just become so angry and almost evil and hateful
I was always on her side😮
This podcast better get Ariana post reunion before Call Her Daddy does 😂 as much as I like her cast mates input I want to here from Ariana’s POV
Yeah but seeing her on call her daddy would be epic
she better not go on call her daddy 🤢
Too late 😂
they should still have ariana on
You’re so right about Schwartz. Men like him get away with being likeable, and acting like everything will be ok ONLY because they have strong women behind them to pick up all the shit they leave in their wake…right down to trimming their armpit hair! I was married to one of these men. Everyone loved him, life of the party, so friendly…but an idiot I. Private who couldn’t take responsibility for anything. These men need ro take the dummy out and grow up.
I’ve fallen so in love with Katie. Glad to see her shine!
Love Katie and she is blossoming since her divorce. I hope she finds someone who romances her❤
katie is so well spoken, im so glad she’s able to heal and grow from whatever that marriage was😭 also, she’s so prettyyyyyyy
I think Schwartz one true loyalty is and has always been to Sandoval, and Katie is still giving this guy more grace than he deserves. It doesn't matter what he says, it appears that his loyalty to Sandoval came at the expense of Ariana. Ariana even unfollowed him so I don't think he had even supported her through. Probably hiding and avoiding conflict somewhere. As always. It's tough to respect someone like that. He's not good friend material to anyone but one person.
I love Katie - I hope she stands her ground with both her ex and Scheana.
You know Katie is a good person, That pup is SNOOZIN next to her 😂
😂 OMG I DIDN’T EVEN NOTICE!!!! I kept looking at the bed wondering where the puppy was this time! I’ve never once watched and not seen a puppy in the puppy bed! Thank you. That’s adorable. She IS FOR SURE a very calming person in general. Her voice her speed her body language is calm. So cute. And honestly I can’t see very well so It could be an entirely different dog but still. So cute.
It's because she's so boring 😴😆
Love this comment!! “He’s snoozin” had me lol! But you’re so right!! And dogs know !!!
I have been rewatching VPR from when Raquel came on and I DEFINITELY think that she and Sandoval have been sleeping together a LOT longer than they are admitting to !! Before she left James, they said they didn’t have sex for over a YEAR! Same for Tom and Ariana, they weren’t intimate for a very long time. Just watching the way Sandoval defended Raquel, the fact that he gave Janes $12k for “their engagement,” 🤔 🤔 I believe that’s the reason that she called off the engagement! But we’ll probably never knows 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
KATIE IS STRONG, SHE LEFT SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE! TAKES STRENGTH TO KNOW & TRUST YOUR WORTH. PROUD OF HER AS A WOMAN
exactly
She is a Boss!!! B...A...B...! ❤❤❤❤❤
I feel like two things can be true at once, Schwartz and Katie were both heroes and villains in their relationship. He's spineless, and she's mean-spirited.
Katie and Lala have been telling us that Sandoval is an idiot for the longest time. Glad we're finally listening, although I'm so sorry that it took this whole shitshow and Ariana's broken heart.
I think that LALA is obnoxious!! I guarantee no one would miss her lol I think they just put up with her because otherwise she would try and destroy them all she’s a very mean person to the core I never respected her!
@@sheila9393 I don't see her that way at all. She was immature in the beginning and has made some questionable choices, but I feel she's grown and I really like her now: the way she is with her beautiful baby, the friendship she's built with Scheana, the strength she has in her sobriety, the way she made amends with Brock and so on.
On the other hand, Sandoval has been a consistent manchild for the entire show. No maturity, no respect for others, no remorse whatsoever, lots of narcissism and what else?
@@federicat920 yeah I think bc of the things she’s done and said in the past I just won’t probably ever like her I don’t think, lol however I suppose that doesn’t mean she hasn’t matured some! Just not my kind of friend I guess I think she’s very superficial but then again a lot of ppl in Los Angeles are anyways. Hopefully she’s learned lessons and becomes an even smarter person from all of it. I just don’t like the way she flirts with peoples men, says rude things and doesn’t watch her words very much it just rubs me the wrong way
It’s been obvious since season 1 that Tom s was vain and b.s
Schwartz is just as guilty as Tom Sandervol because he was part of hiding this whole affair. He is even participated in it when he had double dates with them. I have lost all respect with both of them and if their business suffers because of their reputations all well!
Really hope their newest venture goes bust.
@@alexisb240I don't necessarily hope that. They still have to eat. Swartz last season was saying he was sending money to his family because the pandemic really messed them up. I think we can critique them without praying on their downfall. As far as Sandervol I think he's getting his karma rn. I don't think he's happy and I think he knows he fucked up.
tom tried in his spineless way to try to out him by saying on camera “i’m beginning to think raquel has a crush on someone else”
tom doesn’t even ask who
Thank you for these early uploads! Love the consistency
I’ve always loved Katie. And I hated how the show sometimes portrayed her. Sandoval was always SO involved in her marriage, way more than he should’ve EVER been.
Side note- seeing Katie in that cardigan… makes me love her even more to know that she’s a Swiftie!
I love Katie she's so real and honest ❤
I love that she's rocking a t swift cardigan with her rocker girl style. So good 😍
I've become a Katie fan this season. Have always liked her, but I'm loving her now
I think Katie’s always been a lot more realistic than Tom.
Yes and more mature in the grand scheme of things.
Nick you are as excited as I am and I love it
After I watched Swartz poor a drink over Katie head for the second time on the series, I never bought his nice guy act again. Swartz is a wiener
Nick is so smart! Love how he is so good at seeing right through people’s bs.
i will never forget the scene from the earlier seasons when schwartz at stassis birthday dinner during the trip put katie down so aggressively like those were his true colours showing back from years ago just because you don't agree with your partner doesn't mean you should put them down like that
love the Taylor folklore cardigan!!!
I felt him when he said “idk if I’m catholic, but I feel shame” 😅😂 morals Nick, we have morals 😅😅
I honestly don’t understand what shwartz gets out of his toxic friendship with sandoval. Before the scandoval you could argue their businesses but now there’s truly nothing. Shwartz has never had Katie’s back, actually no one’s back but sandovals. You can still be the fun guy but be respectful and have boundaries. Funny how Rachel said Sandoval taught her boundaries because let’s be real here he has no idea what they truly are.
Katie looks amazing!! Im so glad she dropped swartz. She grew n swartz just stayed the same n never became the man she needed and deserved. Shes so much at peace it seems without swartz. Im glad she decided not to settle. Shes definitely my favorite this season! Loving Katie's GLOWUP! Get it gurl!!!💙💙🔥🔥🔥
Raquel is what you would call her out of respect, Rachael is what they call her now for lack of. It’s completely understandable.
Also, I feel FINALLY after 10 seasons Katie is finally being seen and heard. It couldn’t come at a better time either. I admire how she doesn’t throw her ex under the bus as well.
How? I see it as the opposite. She wants to go by Rachel now, as if symbolic of her being more real/rebranding herself, so continuing to call her Raquel, which is how she was always known to all of the cast, would be more “disrespectful” as it would be denying this fake rebrand and acknowledging her for all of her behaviour/denying her wish of being called Rachel now.
I think Schwartz will always be friends with Sandoval. Despite the fact that they USED HIM as a cover withRaquel to hide the affair - and I doubt Sandoval or Raquel apologized for it. He doesn’t have a backbone when it comes to Sandoval ever
He knew , he was going on double dates with his new woman Jo and the two scum bags
Love Katie,she deserves way better than T S he never had her back, uplifted her, or put her first
I’ve always loved Katie! So nice to see her coming out to shine instead of just being Schwartz’s wife.
Ally is great! I think she is a lot stronger than what the hosts made out her to be
I hope you reach out to Scheana for a future episode. Katie kinda brushed over a lot that has happened in their friendship dynamic and it's definitely not all on Scheana. Katie has being on the wrong plenty of times, more so during the Stassi era. In fact, the closest they ever were was when Stassi was not on the show. I do hope they can work through their issues now that Rachel was proved to be a scam.
Yup. I’m surprised that she hasn’t walked back her anger at Scheana during the season. Katie is good at calling people out but wants her part in the problems to be ignored.
Stassi dumps their friendship over Katie being kind to Scheana. Scheana has never been so close to Swartz but she's always been poor Scheana the mean girl victim while bashing Katie for screen time. I lost all respect or concern after Scheana behavior. Not once did anyone put Shay over Scheana no they supported her with all three of her new spouses...
You can care about him but remember how he treats you and shows you who they are
I never thought the marriage would last, unfortunately. He seemed commitment phobic, and after the (was it a) promise ring tied around her neck, I thought she should have ended the relationship.
She deserves so much better!
I’m loving the person Katie is becoming. She’s unapologetically herself and I aspire to be as comfortable and cool in my skin as she seems to be in hers. We should all want to hear more from her.
Nick should be an Ugg’s campaign he is so cute in uggs lollll
“I don’t know if it’s my Catholic upbringing, but I’m capable of feeling shame.” PREACH! 🙌🤣
I just think Katie is a classy chick , with the patience of a saint personally.
Katie is awesome and beautiful, love her dress at the reunion!
@Quantum Mystery what… see your reflection??? 😂😂😂
Wait how do we find out if the people who call in update you guys on what happened because I’m invested 😂
you sign up for viall files plus haha
She deserved so much better. I'm shocked such a strong woman like her stayed in that relationship for that long! Good for her!
Reunion Looks : Katie was my favourite. Black dress. Flowing tulle. High/Low. Jewelled collar. Silver bling shoes. Perfect!!
I love Katie, I’ve loved her from day 1 of vpr. She’s so insightful and well spoken. She’s also hilarious when she’s tequila Katie. She loves hard and I appreciate that
Really!!!!? So "well spoken".......she uses "like" for every other word. That, is NOT "well spoken".
@@margaretp750 so because someone says “like” it means they can’t be intelligent and articulate? Lol ok
#Scandoval brings Season 1 to Season 10 to a full circle.
Sandoval + Kristen. Kristen + James. James + Raquel. Raquel + Sandoval.
Bizarre
James + Lalah. Arianna + LaLah. Everyone thought Raquel was soooo dumb and naive. In the end, she played everyone!
@@dholmesnc i mean she still is dumb and naive.
Yessss!!
@@dholmesnc I've been saying this since I saw the Vegas episode. Raquel left that trip knowing exactly how to get her revenge. Horrible, but that's how it went down 100%
Ewwwww hahah omg you’re right! Could imagine having a group of “friends” like that????
28:00 Re: Arian being Switzerland, Clearly Nick has not seen season 5 as I rewatched and saw it was cool how Ariana stood up to everyone to have Lala and James back when noone else liked them. She even went against Katie and Sheana to have their back.
Ariana is a def a ride or die type of friend.
I've liked Katie from the beginning of the series. She seems like a good friend to have in your corner. I also like her friendship with Lala.
katie with the folklore cardigan
hahaha the sandwiches based on each person were on point and she was so quick with that
Katie n lala are my cup of tea. Their opinion matters n it was heartbreaking watching Katie get blasted at that pool party n hearing Swartz talk about her with the others was so gross n disgusting n nxt episode she calls him out at that dinner in Mexico being one way in front of ppl but behind closed doors talks his ish, in that moment I related to her relationship so much I cried. Ladies we are mentally strong n we know wat we want n we love hard n that doesn't make us crazy! Women love harder then men n my mother taught us that as children n that is the difference between us n men. It could be anything n we love hard n put our full heart body n soul into everything we do n that is empowerment!
the folklore cardigan!! a queen
He’s so smiley with Katie and straight faced with the Tom’s lol
Best interview by far that I have watched in a long time. Now people you see why Katie felt the way she did. He treated her like crap . So glad these two ladies are free from these two Tom toms. The dum and dumber. Girls go enjoy your life an Shine!!!!!!!
Apparently he often would go out partying and not come home . Then next day say he spent night out at a friends . Acted like teenager telling his mom. My 24 year old son lives with his gf , been about 2 plus years. He would never do that to her.
Omg last night on the reunion when James called them “tweedle dee and tweedle little d*ck” and Tom goes “am I tweedle dee” making light of the insult and Katie just shook her head because it WAS such a serious moment despite James’ funny comment lol, but James had me dying
But they really are tweedle see and tweedle dumb, or dumb and dumber lol
@@PrettylittlecrimesI laughed at that hahaha
Katie dropping truth bombs
They kept talking about Bravo paying for the rooms. I am really enjoying this show
I wish Katie nothing but the best
Katie has HEAVY Capricorn vibes and I love it. 😅
Same
What does that mean?
omg i never knew she was a capricorn. as a fellow capricorn, i wasn’t her biggest fan pre divorce but i’m really starting to understand her now. also seeing her in this setting, she seems very chill, level headed and more mature. you can tell she’s grown and reflected a lot post-divorce
Katie in the Taylor Swift cardigan is everything!!!!
Rachel wanted Ariana’s life
I stopped watching VPR in season 3. I did not like Katie at all. I went and watched season 9 & am watching season 10. I believe 💯 T Sw is in the wrong. Hitched his wagon to T San when he should have been putting his time and resources towards his marriage. I hope Katie finds peace & happiness.
Katie never deserved the amount of hate that she got. Love to see her thriving. 🥪
Katie has been my favorite for a long time, followed by LaLa in a close second!
I need an update on the QB situation
I seriously hope Tom goes for interview. I do not think he has ever made a decision on his own. He will agree with whatever Sandaval wants. He allowed Sandaval to use him with Rachel knowing that it was hurting Katie.
That is his favorite result is hurting Katie. Sandoval is a bully and coward afraid of smart strong women that call him out over his crapm
She’s so calm & nice here why don’t we get this Katie on the show ?
I'm guessing that the producers were giving her a really unflattering edit to create more drama. Maybe that'll change now that she and Ariana are free from the Toms!
If Nick isn’t married, him and Katie would look good together! Katie you carry yourself so well and you are a very sweet lady. Your Ex is going to look back and realize what a diamond he had and put others before you. You go woman! Don’t look back.
OMG! I love Katie, she's the real OG. ❤
Schwartz has been dragging Katie down for too long! It's her to thrive. Schwartz will continue to be an idiot but on his own.
Schwartz on WWHL/Apr 5th asks us to hug Sandoval yet called Katie a monster. Now we know which Tom is more evil.
i love me some Katie! it's time shes vindicated!!
Katie deserves so much better then Schwartz she will thrive ❤
Katie seems actually content and happy..of course she misses Tom, but he kept her in turmoil always he playing doormat to the other Tom then when Katie tries to push him to be a man, he turns on her snd takes the other side, its bizzare...he's a people pleaser, doesn't want conflict except with Katie..He will take this to his future relationships
Oh Katie I'm excited for this.❤
Can someone talk about nick’s snoopy tee! I adore it, when can I get it!!???? This podcast is reeling me in💚💜
Hearing Katie refer to life as not being ‘linear’ was a full Tom Schwartz influence- which reminds me that he has to be the most clueless human being who simultaneously has one of the best vocabularies. He is well-spoken and can use words better than most ‘in Hollywood/Hollywood-adjacent’ but he doesn’t have a clue about life. Slays me.
anyone have the update on the "Office Hours" call in DM to the quarterback question?