It's funny that Indycar is now what CART was before the split. Mostly road courses with a few ovals, mostly European drivers, and turbo-charged engines. Although, the engine is a V6 instead of a V8.
Its still pretty far off from CART, the money involved then was huge compared to now, at one point Newman Haas was spending 20 mil a year on 1 car Menards spent 10 mil just to run 2 cars at Indy only and teams were also starting to experiment with inhouse chassis development.
Until these days I still miss so much CART - Champ Car. The most thrilling series I've ever seen, Indycar right now is really good but nothing like those days. The most beautiful car (open wheeler) that ever existed for me was the Lola Car from 2002-2006.
those lola's were *horrible* to look at. honestly glad they were ditched for the DP01s, which were the only good looking champ cars ever made. this is why i was an IRL fan, the cars were actually bearable to look at in there as opposed CART/CCWS.
@@jorgecruz5006 oh look, someone who has the braincells to not start an argument over this. let's agree to disagree, as beauty of racing cars is, afterall, entirely subjective.
@Tristan Ellis IndyCar fans don't know if the Dallara DW12 Successor would have the Halo-Aeroscreen by Red Bull Racing Technologies as well as 18-inch wheels and a Panoz DP01-Inspired body
A pity we didn't have a whole season of DP01 vs IR05, Ford-Cosworth vs Honda, Turbo vs NA. What with Panoz having an oval kit in development, I think they made a mistake not keeping the Champ Cars on hand for the rest of the season.
Definitely, but with the relative performance of the two chasis, it would've been a class A and class B series pretty quickly. It would've been like when the Lolas became dominant in Champcar, everyone would've switched from their ugly slow IRL equipment pretty immediately
@@cdname47 the IRL cars at the time were objectively the prettiest racing cars ever created. and anyone who believes otherwise is either lying, has no braincells, or both.
was kind of hoping you'd upload the ims commentary of this race, the last few laps of what was actually a decent broadcast were utterly ruined by the princess...
basically CART / Champcar won the war. because IRL is now back to the CART era, we can see from the race style and the shape of the car. if only big teams like ganasi racing, penske racing and andreti racing didn't leave CART, then CART would be more interesting because racing isn't only on oval circuits like IRL ... the key is IRL wins in taking over indy 500. if the end is like this for what Tony George broke away? anyway ... IRL is back again like CART style. looks like a power struggle ... and this is very detrimental to the history of the American single-seater race. where indianapolis was the beginning of the single seater / openwheeler car race
Isn't it crazy how thin the coverage was? Two commentators in the booth, no third for color, and there were so many moments were they just weren't prepared for what they were seeing. Mis-identified drivers, spotty follow up, missing track camera coverage... They did a great job with what they had. So, so different from the better years.
The 2008 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach was the final Champ Car World Series race that was for the Champ Car holdovers. This race was aired on Net 25 on April 21, 2008 and was led by Rachelle Acuna (Lap-By-Lap) and David Hobbs (Color Commentator) with Bonnie Bernstein, Cameron Steele, and the 3 pit reporters that came from Twin Ring Motegi, Elmer Caseles, Ralph Sheheen, and Tracy Wolfson
superninja252 When Bourdais left after his 4th title in 2007 CART seemed to fizzle out, would you say this was the case or had it been going on for longer than this?
Since the creation of the IRL in 1996, Cart/Champcar had begun to lose lots of money and teams due to IRL having the Indy 500. Since 2003 when CART went bust and became Champcar, it was a losing battle and was gonna end at some point.
CART had been dead since 2003; Champ Car was run by other people after then. Basically it initially died because post-split it had very high ideas about where it was and thought that they could compete against F1 despite not having the biggest event (the Indy 500). They were able to remain at a high level and indeed grow internationally for a few years but after teams started going back to the 500 (Ganassi in 2000, Penske in 2001; lots of other people in 2002) and their Sponsors basically began saying that they'd not sponsor teams any longer unless they ran Indy or the IRL (Penske moved to the IRL in 2002 because Marlboro told them to, and the MSA only let them sponsor in one series) plus the incredibly expensive commitments that they'd made before then they simply didn't have the money to carry on post-2003. After then it was bought by a coalition of people but it never really competed and, honestly, it was a shadow of its former self. It never earned any money; they always had to pay for TV time in America and without the 500 they always were going to struggle to find a niche, which they never found. They'd been talking to Indycar for the years since about selling up; they eventually agreed something in 2008. The reason that they ran the split Round 3 thing (the ex-IRL teams in Motegi, the ex-CCWS teams in Long Beach) was because they wanted to keep Long Beach as an event in the future for obvious reasons and so in order to keep the event they had to run it in 2008; but it clashed with Motegi and they couldn't agree an alternate date with Motegi so they ran the double event thing for that year only and sold the Long Beach race as "the last Champ Car race!!" in order to sell tickets. After they unified it took a few years; but now we're in a good place with a strong Indycar series that's going in the right direction.
Also, the Panoz chassis used in both the IRL and ChampCar infamously lacked crumple zones. The car was essentially a death trap at high speeds. Bruno Junquiera's injury at Indianapolis in 2005 while driving a Panoz turned many off the chassis, and then Paul Tracy in the DP01 at Long Beach in 2007 ended up breaking his back due to the car not dissipating any energy in a frontal impact was likely the final straw. Panoz chassis were not safe, but they looked good. There was actually an oval package developed for the DP01 in the case ChampCar ever went back to ovals, and likely in the case of a merger between the two series, but it was never used.
Es war eine tolle Rennserie. Unvergessen die Zeit von Alex Zanardi. Hat mir damals viel besser gefallen als die Formel 1. Nur die Sicherheit der Autos war leider katastrophal .
I rarely say that sports are rigged but i have to say this one was. I mean that it's the end of the Champ Car era which pretty much got covered by Danica's win the night before....
This era of indy car engines sounds so much more pleasing to the ear in my opinion than today's indy car sounds. I hate the way they sound nowadays. Just horrible.
It's funny that Indycar is now what CART was before the split. Mostly road courses with a few ovals, mostly European drivers, and turbo-charged engines. Although, the engine is a V6 instead of a V8.
but CART in that era had 3 chassis.
Its still pretty far off from CART, the money involved then was huge compared to now, at one point Newman Haas was spending 20 mil a year on 1 car Menards spent 10 mil just to run 2 cars at Indy only and teams were also starting to experiment with inhouse chassis development.
@@penskepc2374 Probably, the Hybrid powertrains could lead to the first 500K IndyCar endurance race at the Charlotte Roval by 2022
@skateski CART had four twin turbo V8's (Honda, Mercedes, Toyota, and Ford Cosworth).
@@fasterandnoiser reynard, lola, penske and swift..... its 4 chassis
Nice to finally have this race in HD. Shame the final 15 laps or so were focused on Danica, rather than the final laps of ChampCar.
one of the most pathetic television broadcasts of all time
Bet you never even saw a champ car run.. chump.. gen z little puke.. even though I agree with you.. you still suck
@@kylebutler9646 Tf are you even talking about??
14 years later: Danica has never won again, but Will Power ist still around.
Good old Will Power 2022 IndyCar champ!!!
Dear God those cars were awesome. The sound, standing start, Champ Cars were real beasts.
The sound and feel of these cars will never be forgotten.
Thanks IndyCar
Please upload CART races between 1999 and 2001
P R Sorry to disapoint you, but I think they will upload the 2008 season, like the 1987 season.
Hat Hat This was literally the only CART race of 2008.
1:17:57 Fitting that Kevin Kalkhoven oversaw the final race of Champ Car with this team winning
RIP legend
i miss those champcars model, and i glad that the new indycar 2018 models are like those
I with you, started watching open wheel racing in the late 80's and I miss those days good times and when the cart series was healthy
I dont think the new bodies look at all like champ cars
@@alexfitzpatrick2509 The Dallara DW-12 with the IR-18 Aero Kit could last until 2023
@@jonathan_tong93 disappointinf they came out with non-inovative spec bloated whale carcasses
@@alexfitzpatrick2509 Oo nga baka ang Dallara ang gagawa ng bagong chassis para sa taong 2022
So happy the 2018 car is returning to this form. Now we just need standing starts back at the street courses!
CJSchecter96 shame dallara can’t make clutches to save their life
standing starts are overly dangerous, 2014 IMS road course told us that.
@@ecksoal ？？？？？？？？？？？？
of course they can, the problem isn't dallara. it's safety, of which standing starts do not have any.
@@ecksoal Dallara doesn't build transmissions.
Until these days I still miss so much CART - Champ Car. The most thrilling series I've ever seen, Indycar right now is really good but nothing like those days. The most beautiful car (open wheeler) that ever existed for me was the Lola Car from 2002-2006.
those lola's were *horrible* to look at. honestly glad they were ditched for the DP01s, which were the only good looking champ cars ever made. this is why i was an IRL fan, the cars were actually bearable to look at in there as opposed CART/CCWS.
@@DW98rosy well, respectable opinion, I still think those Lola were the most beautiful cars ever, even to these days.
@@jorgecruz5006 oh look, someone who has the braincells to not start an argument over this.
let's agree to disagree, as beauty of racing cars is, afterall, entirely subjective.
i know this was almost a decade ago and these cars aren't coming back, but i still miss these turbo v8s.
Thank you for the upload. It was a good race. It was a pleasure to see PT, Jimmy Vasser and the other legends go one more time!
Pretty cool too see how much of the idea of champ car are now in modern IndyCar
Race start at 5:40
Hoping the DW12 successor looks similar to these cars.
@Tristan Ellis IndyCar fans don't know if the Dallara DW12 Successor would have the Halo-Aeroscreen by Red Bull Racing Technologies as well as 18-inch wheels and a Panoz DP01-Inspired body
A pity we didn't have a whole season of DP01 vs IR05, Ford-Cosworth vs Honda, Turbo vs NA. What with Panoz having an oval kit in development, I think they made a mistake not keeping the Champ Cars on hand for the rest of the season.
Definitely, but with the relative performance of the two chasis, it would've been a class A and class B series pretty quickly.
It would've been like when the Lolas became dominant in Champcar, everyone would've switched from their ugly slow IRL equipment pretty immediately
@@cdname47 the IRL cars at the time were objectively the prettiest racing cars ever created. and anyone who believes otherwise is either lying, has no braincells, or both.
i love the pit reporter jackarute (probably wrong), he is a legend that made the sport, just like dr jerry punch did for nascar!
god, the last 15 laps shows how much everyone and everything was sucking up to Danica
Who could have known, Power was the real deal?
“I expect to win”
She never set foot in victory lane again 😂
it was a joke too, because it was a lucky fuel mileage "win" and not on pace
We miss you CART | Champ Car.
The ChampCar Era's end ,but a Start of a New IndyCar Era
was kind of hoping you'd upload the ims commentary of this race, the last few laps of what was actually a decent broadcast were utterly ruined by the princess...
This is really cool. I wish HD was around in the 90s
Wow, two races in two days! IndyCar is on fire!
this is champ car
Thank you for posting this race.
focus on Danica and a lucky fuel mileage "win" rather than paying homage to the CART/Champ Car Series - pathetic coverage from ESPN
What an irony, that Danica never won a race again and Long Beach winner Power won at least one race every year since then.
awesome. thanks Indycar.
RIP Champ Car World Series😔
Why am I so bummed out after watching this?
I was just about to search for this. Good timing Indycar
Great upload. Thanks Indycar.
The last go for the Twin Turbo V8. Bring that package back!!!!
They were single turbo.
Paul Frede ....nope, not at least when they were Ford
Nope. They were never twin turbo.
Yes, yes they were. For example the stock block Merc.
www.carsinpictures.com/pic/4879/Penske-PC23-Mercedes_11.html
IRL won the war, we lost!!!
It was the definition of a Pyrrhic victory
Oh yes. IndyCar now is much more CART than IRL. And tings startet to change very fast. You can say, CART teams switching to IRL were trojan horses!
basically CART / Champcar won the war. because IRL is now back to the CART era, we can see from the race style and the shape of the car. if only big teams like ganasi racing, penske racing and andreti racing didn't leave CART, then CART would be more interesting because racing isn't only on oval circuits like IRL ... the key is IRL wins in taking over indy 500. if the end is like this for what Tony George broke away? anyway ... IRL is back again like CART style. looks like a power struggle ... and this is very detrimental to the history of the American single-seater race. where indianapolis was the beginning of the single seater / openwheeler car race
Not quite gomer
There’s only 5 ovals left on the calendar lmao
would the 1984 race in its entirety happen to be in a vault somewhere in Indianapolis? ive only ever seen the broadcast where it skips to the middle
Last Champ Car Race ever . Bring back Panoz to IndyCar
It’s a shame they couldn’t get Bourdais back for this race.
He was in Toro Rosso in F1.
What about Laguna Seca 1987?
Speed Vision I agree. I want them to post that race and a lot more.
Isn't it crazy how thin the coverage was? Two commentators in the booth, no third for color, and there were so many moments were they just weren't prepared for what they were seeing. Mis-identified drivers, spotty follow up, missing track camera coverage... They did a great job with what they had. So, so different from the better years.
The 2008 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach was the final Champ Car World Series race that was for the Champ Car holdovers. This race was aired on Net 25 on April 21, 2008 and was led by Rachelle Acuna (Lap-By-Lap) and David Hobbs (Color Commentator) with Bonnie Bernstein, Cameron Steele, and the 3 pit reporters that came from Twin Ring Motegi, Elmer Caseles, Ralph Sheheen, and Tracy Wolfson
Would have loved to see these cars on an oval
I miss you Champ Car......
mmmm, what a nice car
Ah. This is Power’s first win! My favorite driver!
Z Coleman yeah but this his first win in the IndyCar Series.
GO WILLY P🏁
Beatuful cars.
only good looking champ cars ever made, the DP01s. still didn't look near as good as the IR-05s.
Was this the last season run for CART?
yeah, the last champcar race
superninja252 When Bourdais left after his 4th title in 2007 CART seemed to fizzle out, would you say this was the case or had it been going on for longer than this?
i dont know, to be honest i dont readed much about 2007/08 reunification
Since the creation of the IRL in 1996, Cart/Champcar had begun to lose lots of money and teams due to IRL having the Indy 500. Since 2003 when CART went bust and became Champcar, it was a losing battle and was gonna end at some point.
CART had been dead since 2003; Champ Car was run by other people after then.
Basically it initially died because post-split it had very high ideas about where it was and thought that they could compete against F1 despite not having the biggest event (the Indy 500). They were able to remain at a high level and indeed grow internationally for a few years but after teams started going back to the 500 (Ganassi in 2000, Penske in 2001; lots of other people in 2002) and their Sponsors basically began saying that they'd not sponsor teams any longer unless they ran Indy or the IRL (Penske moved to the IRL in 2002 because Marlboro told them to, and the MSA only let them sponsor in one series) plus the incredibly expensive commitments that they'd made before then they simply didn't have the money to carry on post-2003.
After then it was bought by a coalition of people but it never really competed and, honestly, it was a shadow of its former self. It never earned any money; they always had to pay for TV time in America and without the 500 they always were going to struggle to find a niche, which they never found. They'd been talking to Indycar for the years since about selling up; they eventually agreed something in 2008. The reason that they ran the split Round 3 thing (the ex-IRL teams in Motegi, the ex-CCWS teams in Long Beach) was because they wanted to keep Long Beach as an event in the future for obvious reasons and so in order to keep the event they had to run it in 2008; but it clashed with Motegi and they couldn't agree an alternate date with Motegi so they ran the double event thing for that year only and sold the Long Beach race as "the last Champ Car race!!" in order to sell tickets. After they unified it took a few years; but now we're in a good place with a strong Indycar series that's going in the right direction.
R.I.P. CART.
What’s this? An American motor race with a standing start? Is this bizzaro world?
RIP Kevin Kalkhoven.
They should have stayed with the DP01 instead of those hideous looking IRL cars.
DP01 would have been instant death at Indianapolis. No thanks!
Why "instant death"?
The DP01 just wasn't built substantial enough to do 230mph on a rectangular 2.5 mile superspeedway.
Also, the Panoz chassis used in both the IRL and ChampCar infamously lacked crumple zones. The car was essentially a death trap at high speeds. Bruno Junquiera's injury at Indianapolis in 2005 while driving a Panoz turned many off the chassis, and then Paul Tracy in the DP01 at Long Beach in 2007 ended up breaking his back due to the car not dissipating any energy in a frontal impact was likely the final straw. Panoz chassis were not safe, but they looked good.
There was actually an oval package developed for the DP01 in the case ChampCar ever went back to ovals, and likely in the case of a merger between the two series, but it was never used.
@@UltimateEEnEFan Siguro hindi nagkaroon ng oval package para sa Panoz DP01 ay dapat ginamit sa Atlanta Motor Speedway noong 2007
Champcars looked so much better then INDYCARS
nope, very much the opposite.
Those cars looking like a F1 car from 2000
I love champcar.
wich CC engine is it?
Gaming Holland 2.65 litre cosworth turbo V8, producing 750hp at 12,000 RPM, Plus extra 50hp Push to Pass
0:47 "gentlemen start your engines"
Es war eine tolle Rennserie.
Unvergessen die Zeit von Alex Zanardi.
Hat mir damals viel besser gefallen als die Formel 1.
Nur die Sicherheit der Autos war leider katastrophal
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Jack Arute's legendary journey in 24 hours
I rarely say that sports are rigged but i have to say this one was. I mean that it's the end of the Champ Car era which pretty much got covered by Danica's win the night before....
This era of indy car engines sounds so much more pleasing to the ear in my opinion than today's indy car sounds. I hate the way they sound nowadays. Just horrible.
Champ car final race :(
This championship misses to motorsport. Maybe one day, it will be back.
1:17:52 my favo indy driver wins the race!!!!!
GO WILLY P🏁
Dan Wheldon the White Knight
Justin Wilson the Gentle Giant
Both in heaven.
Goodbye Champ Car
😢😢😢
Panoz DP01>Dallara IR05.
nope.
Look at how young and timid Danica looks!
CART/Champ Car didn't deserve to die, never never never 😡😡😡😡
it most definitely did. it was run by braincell-less idiots, and the drivers were driving some of the worst looking cars ever made.
CART/Champcar
Is it just me that thought the 2008 IRL cars looked better than the 2008 Champ Cars?
Yes, it is literally just you that thinks that.
It's just you.
Irl looked better . They were sleeker than the champcars.
jerryl davis You’re saying the 2008 IRL cars were sleeker than the 2008 Champ Car?? You need to get your eyes checked.
Scott Prushko just look at the nose of the champcars ,they are so big and fat compared to the thin and sleek nose of irl.
Great upload. Thanks Indycar.
Great upload. Thanks Indycar.