Logan Paul getting absolutely ratio'd by outing himself as an incompetent narcissist in an attempt to say he isn't a scammer is absolutely amazing, and definitely the first treat of 2023.
The fact that people still act like Logan's behavior is 'shocking' this far into the game is the only thing that is actually shocking. Dude was and always has been a grade A douche since the start so what made anyone think that THIS was going to be legit? Didn't he also have some influencer course that he scammed people with a while back or was that his brother?
yet his followers think he cleared everything up and coffeezilla is at fault. insane how people can twist things in their own head. but then, those same people give millions to that asshat.
and everyone will forget in a few weeks when the next youtuber controversy happens and cry about that for a couple weeks and move on from it. It's a never ending cycle
@@lorenzo42p Most of his followers are kids who are so desperate to be like him they want to live the dream that their idol can do no wrong and that it's everyone else in the world that's the bad guy. That's how he can keep the grift going; Logan is VERY MUCH aware of the type of fans he has which is why he knows he can keep pitching things like this and get away with it because they'll always try to bail him out even if the evidence of shady business is glowing in front of them in neon colors.
Based on Muta capability, I will not surprise that he can make a trilogy of scanning Logan wallet for that content too. Is it milking the name of Logan? Yes but who care? It is juicy content that everyone want.
I’m glad you addressed how ridiculously overblown Zachary’s “criminal” history is. I was trying to look up and verify it myself, but obviously I couldn’t get anywhere since they’ve been expunged. Which begs the question; how the ever-loving fcuk does Logan’s legal team have the investigative power to find a 20+ year old expunged record and a mugshot from who knows where, yet they apparently had no idea about Jake’s incredibly shady past nor Eddie’s obviously fabricated achievements by using a search engine once?
My question is, how old was Z *20* years ago? I mean what, like 18 at best?? Look at him he can't be more than 40 years old. If he hadn't admitted to it himself, I'd have been skeptical that it was true at all.
the best part of his "You should have contacted me not my manager" comment is that when Coffee posted proof that he already tried reaching out to Logan directly, his response was "I can't be expected to respond to every DM I get on every social!" Yeah Logan... THATS WHY YOU HAVE A MANAGER
@@josephleebob3828 He did contact Logan directly- he was the first person he went to. It was AFTER not getting through to Logan that he went on to Jeff, who he still asked to pass on the request to Logan (which he seemingly didn’t do).
I don't blame Stephen for not going on Logan Paul’s podcast. It is so clear that Logan can't comprehend the situation. To him, Stephen is a journalist in this context, not a fellow content creator. Who in his right mind would invite a journalist who is investigating your crimes to a collaboration to create content for you? It hurts my brain trying to wrap my head around that.
What I love is that it really does come of like Logan is trying to throw out as many buzzterms as he can in order to make Coffee in the wrong here. He kept calling him a journalist when a lot of viewers don't recognize Coffee for that, at least in whatever terms Logan is trying to imply. It feels like he only used that term because he knows that for the most part, your average TH-cam viewer doesn't see a lot of faith in journalist in the mainstream news. Theory? Logan is trying to make Coffee out to be as if he's working in 'the mainstream' so he can paint himself out as the 'independent, put-upon underdog content creator' when Logan is the last fucking person to be seen as an underdog of any sort, let along someone who is put upon. Mother fucker made a complete tool out of himself during a luxury trip to Japan and that was before the events of the forest but no, he's the real victim here gaiz!
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid OK but what you coffee dick riders don’t seem to get is it’s not Logan Paul’s fault that these people fell for what he was putting out. Maybe before falling for an influencer is crypto BS maybe do some research before seeing hey, this looks cool.
The worst part is that instead of giving zootoken holders their money back, he decides to spend that money in a lawyer in order to attack the person who spoke up for the victims
Tbh I don't have much sympathy for the people who lost money on this garbage. It's been known for ages now that anything in the nft sphere is a scam, especially when it's coming from a snake like Logan Paul.
@@meleemastermaa1449 what a moron. He could've kept his reputation safe and given the money to them, but instead he is ruining his reputation while spending the money on a lawyer(s)
To be honest, no millionaires and up owns up to their mistakes. No company really does. They sue the people that call them out to bully them, just like Jake Paul is doing now.
Dude I was surprised when he ousted himself for hiring the guy, only for a second later to blame it on his team. Early on some people in his comment section were putting a timestamp on this as him taking accountability, completely ignoring the next statement, it was bafling
I’m only at 8:48, but my gosh, this just makes Logan even more sinister. The fact that he publicly showed *expunged* records (and exaggerated the contents) just to defame this man and poke holes in Coffee’s story is just evil. That right there makes me believe Logan isn’t just a bumbling idiot but is scheming and two-faced himself.
He arranged a boxing match where his opponant was contractually obliged to not knock him out...I wouldn't put any sort of scumbaggery past a poser like that.
yeah I'm speechless that he would go that low like the rat he is. it's stupid and brutal and senseless and disgusting - he could have ruined that man's life for an impotent ad hominem for fucks sake 🙄🤢
Poor Logan, he was just the leader of the entire operation. How could he possibly know anything at all about his own project and the people working on it? That's impossible!
It’s hilarious how Logan Paul can articulately and concisely judge Coffeezilla’s supposed lack of due diligence while justifying his own actions by essentially saying “it’s not my fault I’m stupid”.
I am amazed at how logan manages to simultaneously show his own ignorance/incompetence in not understanding what a manager's job is, while also throwing his manager under the bus for apparently not doing his job. This kind of stuff just writes itself
I’m amazed he managed to fool millions into believing he changed & was a “new man” after the forest debacle. All he did was pretend to be oh so woke & enlightened and poof…image was rehabilitated lol His arrogance & ignorance were usually on full display, but bc he used the right buzzwords & took the “popular” side in whatever topic was circling social media at the time, he was deemed to have matured & learned from his mistakes 😂
This situation is quite peculiar. A scammer tried to scam honest people with the help of other scammers. Then, those other scammers ended up scamming him. Coffee initiated the call so Texas law should take priority over California. Also, sometimes leaking calls for the sake of public interest can be used as a good defence. Logan tried to manipulate the market, got caught and now is trying to make coffee look bad. Unfortunately, his plan severely back-fired.
And that's why Logan deleted his video on Coffeezilla and also apologized, because had the trial happened everyone (even more people than now) would find that out, even his so called "fans" that just don't have the braincells or too much pride to admit they're supporting a scamming clown. What a one man clown show.
It's a misdemeanor at most. It's also a distraction and is a call to authority when it doesn't, ducking, matter. We can clearly see that this is in Public interest and didn't do any damage. Eavesdropping laws will protect you if you experience damages because of it
Just as a note, the call originating from Texas doesn't mean he isn't criminally liable. He could be charged in the state of California, but there is a bunch of stuff he may have done regarding consent and expectation of privacy that means he did nothing illegal. Moreover, the whole point is moot since no one will press charges against him.
Another thing that got pointed out was the "illegal recording", the call started with "can I get comments on the zoo project" as well as introduction. That's straight up giving consent by giving comments after fully knowing who that person was.
Explicit consent and implied consent are different. But legality does not equal morality. Law only seeks to make the act of achieving justice - neutral or good outcomes - more efficient. Sometimes it gets it wrong. And In this case everyone can agree that the recordings are of overwhelming Public interest and did no damage to be claimed by a potential lawsuit
@@ayoCC The thing is,the wiretapping laws being referenced don’t actually require consent. They prohibit recording someone when they’d have a reasonable expectation of privacy. If you straight up tell someone ‘hey this call is going to be recorded’, it doesn’t matter if they consent to the recording or not. They’ve lost the reasonable expectation that the call would be private, so it’s legal to record. The question is if you’d still have a reasonable expectation that a call would be private after being told by someone who you know is a journalist that they’re reaching out for comments. Which would be a question for the courts if it ever went anywhere (which it probably won’t now).
Logan: "Coffeezilla's work has been said to be 'often speculative' and 'not anchored in truth' Also Logan: - Thanks Coffeezilla 'for calling out the rats that stole from him'. - * Used a clip from Coffeezilla's video supporting the fact that he didn't make money from the project *
It’s funny how he tries to say Coffeezilla is a discredited and unserious wanna-be journalist yet Logan says he only learned through Coffeezilla that Ibanez was phony.
@@veggsbacon1891my point is he’s saying Coffeezilla isn’t credible yet he’s going on info he only first got from Coffeezilla himself. Proving he thinks Coffeezilla isn’t actually untrustworthy
Man I love all these investigative TH-camrs I’m finding lately. Fascinating how the people they talk about keep getting away with it and the twists/turns these situations take. Also I like to imagine Logan watches these videos like “Why can’t these guys just let me scam people?!”
The editing is definitely the main concern. I think zilla could easily hold his own, against Mike & Logan lol George is the only one of the 3 that would’ve been genuine & I doubt he would try any sleazy tactics while filming.
The dumbest part of all this, for me, is Logan trying to use Z's criminal record - which he shows on screen - as a reason why he can't be trusted. IIRC the charge was for armed robbery and obstructing the legal process - not small crimes, but not exactly huge either. Time was served, and... this happened in 2002. Then later in the video, Logan seems furious that his efforts to rehabilitate his own image are being inconvenienced by Coffee reporting on the things he's actually been doing, rather than the things he'd like people to notice. I don't know whether Z is still a criminal or not, and it doesn't actually matter - his testimonial is either accurate or it isn't, regardless of who he is. But I find the idea that past wrongdoings can and will turn any truth into lies... really ironic coming from the DinkDoink suicide forest man who, despite his insistence at the time, absolutely DOES expect to be forgiven, for everything, even for things that he's literally just done. OK, that's the second dumbest part: the actual dumbest part is Logan trying to claim that Coffee made him out to be the "supervillain" mastermind of the situation. Like, Logan would rather be falsely accused of being as the genius mastermind of a scam, than accept that he was rightly accused of being a relative bitplayer or an incompetent boob.
They are not crimes of deception so not relevant. People who get out of jail should be treated as free people, as everyone else. Bonus: Zach is a private person who asked to be anonimous so he both doxxed him and did a private person defamation, because he made negligent misrepresentations that can cause damages to Zach.
@@ayoCC - tbh, since the doc in question looks like it might have been mocked up by Logan rather than something that's publicly available... I legit wonder about the legality of that too. I know that's not a huge deal, but it really points to how much work Logan seems to have been willing to put into destroying himself. I hope Z sues, because unlike anything that's happened to Logan, misrepresenting a contractor you refused to pay as "holding work for ransom" actually *is* defamatory. It does sound like this situation is an absolutely shitshow though. Like, "the receipts" in an employer/employee relationship should not be DMs - I would've been demanding an invoice at the very least, and tbh, given that it's Logan Paul, I would've wanted a pro forma.
@@FTZPLTC definitely pretty shady. Taking on a client for 50k a week without contract Even if as a Public Person there's a reasonable expectation to act in his own interest
Yup. It's that "whataboutism" kind of defense. He's pointing to his criminal record as a "well what about this..." thing, just to change topic and deflect from his own heat.
After conducting multiple financial investigations during my career, Muda is right. You can't say definitively without a deeper dive, but there sure is some next level shady stuff going on and associations in his wallets to Alameda certainly aren't going to help and he is going to bring it all to court on his own, what a treat. As for his dream team of employees, he needs to take it on the chin like a man and CEO if he hired these people. Then to finally say CryptoZoo is coming '23/'24 after it was supposed to already be here in '22 and went silent for over a year? Hello 2023...
He could've come out and said I hired the wrong people, I wanted to build something legit and we got rug pulled in the end. I kept the coin because I will rebuild this program and get better people on it and vet them more. And most people would be like ok
Don’t you think, that like not doing a rug pull would be the better option? You know like: you don’t have to apologize to people if you don’t purposely do things you might have to apologize for. Like a rug pull scam
@@ISIIN15 but his intent was to just make something with hype to sell to billionaire investors ? He didn't even have a product and was already discussing how to manipulate the market of its tokens with minimal damage . He's not sorry for what he did he's sorry he got scammed and then exposed .
"I wasn't involved in a scam. I just partook in a series of actions to artificially inflate assets and services that I knew had little to no value and threw multiple transactions with other individuals marketed and sold said assets/services to the public through my own personal endorsement and influence while obsconding with ill gained profits after selling my shares of the operation at its zenith and left everyone else with worthless digital junk. See, that's totally not a scam." - Logan Paul
thing is he never actually did sell off his Zoo token, it was tanked before he had the chance, and he's clinging to that technicality while blatantly ignoring all the real evidence of his conspiring to commit fraud on his fans.
@@dopesickdog there’s also the other money from the egg nfts that coffezilla said made more than a million but because the money was sent to a coin based address there’s no way to know who exactly received that money so it’s entirely possible Logan did make some cheese off zoo
I've watched 5-6 videos on this subject now, but this is the first one I've seen that actually adds to the discussion rather than just comments on it. Excellent work.
That's true and that doesn't make any sense why would you do that instead of protecting your fan base. I do believe that Logan Paul has been a scum, never have liked him (even as a kid I realized that he seemed suspicious)
So on the consent thing, since Coffee is in Texas and the recording device was presumably in Texas, Logan would have a huge problem trying to get the case heard in California. Generally the state where the recording device is located prevails.
@Super Blast Bros. "yea I just trust my safe that I barely even looked into to vet all the people that will do the real work around here that sounds better then me know the guys and having a good time. They will all believe this and love there good old Logan Paul" like come on bro, take the L and move on you'll get out on bail unless the IRS gets your ass.
I have watched quite a few people’s reactions to Logan’s response videos but this is by far the most thorough breakdown of everything and very well put together, AS USUAL!
The thing about the developer was that they weren't getting paid. This was what coffe focus on in his video not the developer's themselve. It doesn't help the fact that coffe said another developer was bought on to fix crytozoo after lunch but quit months later due to the fact that once again, they weren't getting paid.
I love this take. I subscribed cause of it. But the thing that bothers me the most is very few people are pointing out the fact that Logan marketed this game as being the introduction to crypto for kids. And he tries to throw Emilio under the bus for having his kids invest in it.
The whole video was a textbook example of projection. From questioning Coffee's integrity for not vetting his sources to referring to bad actors in crypto after he participated in dink doink and this debacle. It's like he's talking about himself the entire time 😂
The part I love the most, is where Logan shows the message from Dec, 24th, complaining, that coffeezilla hasn't reached out to him earlier, while you can clearly see, that the name of the chat is called "3rd request" 😂
Also in one breath he says why didn’t you contact me directly?!?! Why would you contact my manager?!?! And also I’m so popular how did you think I’d see your DM. Like what the actual fuck
@@kstarr3555 Thus raising what is even the point of his manager if not to direct attempts to contact Logan like this? Logan can't claim that Coffeezilla didn't attempt to contact him but then act like all the attempts to contact him don't count because he doesn't look at those.
So basically he tried to expose Coffeezilla and Zach for crimes and in doing so, committed crimes himself, including the very crime he accused Coffee of. Amazing.
Logan is totally in character. Narcissistic attitude, finger pointing, taking ZERO blame or accountability, and in fact possibly making himself looking even more incompetent (I don’t even know how that’s possible). Every TH-camr unanimously disagrees with Logan and he’s going to protect his hill alone. Even George called him out on it and he just starts acting like such a baby.
What I really like about your videos is how you start every new thought with the phrase "ladies and gentlemen". More class has never been a thing I've ever looked for on youtube, but apparently it's just one of those things I didn't know I wanted.
I’ve made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgment, and I don’t expect to be forgiven. I’m simply here to apologize. What we came across that day in the woods was obviously unplanned. The reactions you saw on tape were raw; they were unfiltered. None of us knew how to react or how to feel. I should have never posted the video. I should have put the cameras down and stopped recording what we were going through. There's a lot of things I should have done differently, but I didn't. And for that, from the bottom of my heart, I am sorry. I want to apologize to the Internet. I want to apologize to anyone who has seen the video. I want to apologize to anyone who has been affected or touched by mental illness or depression or suicide. But most importantly, I want to apologize to the victim and his family. For my fans who are defending my actions, please don't. I don’t deserve to be defended. The goal with my content is always to entertain; to push the boundaries, to be all-inclusive. In the world I live in, I share almost everything I do. The intent is never to be heartless, cruel, or malicious. Like I said-I made a huge mistake. I don’t expect to be forgiven, I’m just here to apologize. I'm ashamed of myself. I’m disappointed in myself. And I promise to be better. I will be better. Thank you.
One thing on the wiretap/two party consent laws is that coffeezilla specifically states at the beginning of the call that he was "calling for comment" stating who he was and why he was calling. Jeff understood that he was talking to a journalist about a story, he needed to take consent away if he didn't want his responses published.
I always love that you go the extra mile on these things. Even if everything he said was true, it was already an awful response, effectively just deflecting all guilt and trying to discredit Coffeezilla. But knowing that even the few snippets of “facts” he brought up are questionable at best, it makes everything even worse somehow.
Damn, this feels like an appetizer video, until we get the main course video to Coffeezilla’s eventual response. Thanks for whetting my appetite for that muta!
He probably wont be able to say much at least right now if it really is in the legal realm. He might drop a update letting us know what he's gonna do after communicating with his legal team though.
7:28 Hearing this portion is actually crazy. No one I've seen covering this has mentioned the crimes he committed were from 20 years ago. Logan talks about how it feels to try and be a better person and make up for his mistakes while putting someone else's down in the same fucking breath: 41:58
On the contacting Logan bit, if we reasonably assume that Coffee did contact the manager for comment/interview (it's almost like we have a phone call with the manager), that means one of two scenarios probably played out: either the manager DIDN'T tell Logan about how Coffee was trying to get in touch, or he DID and Logan decided to not address it one way or another. One adds another person to the "why tf did you hire this person" pile, the other is a great example of "ounce of prevention, pound of cure". Both go to show that Logan is not to be trusted.
Calling someone and recording it is one side ocnsent in texas(where Coffeezilla and Logans manager reside) if coffeezilla called Jeff and told him why he calledh im and jeff agreed to it its already legal lol
@@revilo9224 they werent talking about if its legal or not ... they were talking about assuming it was (which it was legal) why didnt jeff tell logan, and if he did why didnt logan act on it and is acting innocent now
Also in one breath he says why didn’t you contact me directly?!?! Why would you contact my manager?!?! And also I’m so popular how did you think I’d see your DM. Like what the actual fuck
It also shows me how absolutely impossible it must be to deal with him. He’s one of those people who throws out contradictory rationale for whatever blame he’s trying to deflect in the moment. You reached out to his manager? Well you should have reached out to him. Oh, you did reach out to him? Well, he says, you can’t expect him to read every DM! Even tho yeah, that’s why you reached out to his manager. But no! You’re a supposed to reach out to him directly! Even tho he can’t be expected to read every DM. Over and over in circles until you just give up and let it go.
I love how many things Logan indirectly or unintentionally throws Jeff under the bus for. Crappy project staffing, talking to people he shouldn't be, not communicating with his client, ect. If his manager Jeff is really such a screw-up that he single-handedly killed both the project and Logan's reputation, why is he still employed? And why is Logan going to such great lengths to paint all of Jeff's screw-ups as the fault of other people? Of course it's obvious that the real reason is they were both in on all of it.
So what confuses me is that he is choosing to sue Coffeezilla rather than Eddie Ibanez and Cryptoking. They actually stole money and it's easy to prove. I watched a video a day or two ago of a lawyer reacting to this situation and he mentioned something very interesting: In that lawyer's experience, whenever he sees this he always assumes that those parties are 'still in bed' together.
9:45 Didn't Logan say he's suing Coffee for recording his manager without consent? Did Logan get Zach Kelling's consent before posting this sound clip in his video?
Logan is asserting that the recording between Coffezilla and his manager was recorded without the manager’s consent and then posted, which may or may not be illegal. The big point there is that it might have been recorded illegally by someone in the conversation, not that it was posted online. The posting thing only has relevance if it was in fact recorded illegally. It’s made clear in Coffezilla’s video that the recording of Z was made with the consent of both parties, so Logan taking and using that particular audio clip isn’t problematic or a double standard, at least in regards to wiretapping laws.
The whole response video is basically just Logan blaming everybody but himself for the scam and not taking responsibility for hiring literal criminals for the crypto scam he put out.
I always appreciate your takes. I haven’t seen anyone else talk about the felony allegations against the dev as either doxxing or defamation, with no provable evidence publicly available.
While it is technically "doxxing" it isn't defamation or illegal doxxing (which is what doxxing usually refers to). It is super scummy but not illegal.
@Wolfette Plays Eh, I'd say not. And I don't quite think you've thought through the repercussions of making it illegal. Let's look at it this way. Suppose I hold up a convenience store to feed my starving kid. It makes it into the local news, my family makes posts on Facebook, and Twitter throws the case around because their is something funny about it (lets suppose I used a Batman nerf gun). Now I serve my time and when I'm released the judge goes "You know what? You were trying to feed your kid, you have no priors, and you've been a model prisoner. We're gonna expunge your record so you don't have this hanging over your head." Does that mean the newspaper have to go back and censor their articles? Do my family members have to go back and delete their posts? Can the guy I held up never talk about it again? It would be ridiculous. So the two options are either they make arrest records completely confidential (VERY dangerous, you want to know what the cops are up to) or they engage in massive censorship on every expunged case.
@@tinkerer3399 Muta states the guy says he didn’t rob a liquor store. Claiming he did, as a fact, when we cannot prove that, would be defamation. I don’t believe an expunged conviction would change that; wrongful convictions happen. In a civil trial, Logan would have to prove that the guy did, indeed, rob a liquor store 20 years ago.
@Anna Victrix Not quite. Or at least very probably not. There are a ton of laws that factor into this such as the law of first publication. This is a law that states that when something is first published that is the state of the world that applies to that publication. So let's say that someone says that Logan Paul has a brain tumor and is gonna perish in a year and this is untrue. This could adversely affect his business deals and is defamation. And then a month later Logan Paul develops a brain tumor and is gonna die within a year. He could still sue them for defamation (well before he dies he could) because even though the article is now true it was untrue at the time of publication. That is how these places operate. Even though the record is now sealed and unavailable it was public information at the time that they "published" it. And it is provable, there are multiple publications that the can check with. They don't need the official records. There is a bunch of other stuff that factors into it but basically that is the gist. There are a couple of places that have laws that supercede this however they are a rare minority.
I laughed at "crypto Keemstar." Then I realized there's no way he wrote that or a single word he said in the whole apology video himself. The speech is clearly written by a lawyer and his pr team and the delivery makes that obvious (ironic given his claim to fame is acting). I wound not be surprised in the slightest if his team literally paid a writer to write jokes tailored specifically to the speech.
If this script really was written by a lawyer as you suggest, then that lawyer is about as good quality as all the low-quality sycophants, scammers, criminals, and hangers-on that Logan surrounds himself with.
I think the idea a lawyer "wrote his script" couldn't be further from the truth. The fact the video was made at all is wildly inadvisable. I think he was told not to do it, and Logan was too stubborn and arrogant and thought this would sway people. What he says doesn't seem carefully planned at all, and I think could open him up to even more scrutiny in a court setting. Really, really don't think he was advised to say any of that.
My father had the bad tendency to always end up working with shady characters who screwed him over in the end and I had to save him constantly. What I got from that was, if you’re not following a clean route, shady lingo is thrown around, everything sounds easy, the people you talk with avoid telling you exactly what kind of business they’re running, and lawyers are considered bad because “they’ll just complicate things”, just run. Unless you’re some financial or business genius yourself, and can identify paths others can’t, just follow the traditional way of doing business, especially if you don’t have money to waste.
In all fairness, these guys brought this on themselves. This isn't happening just to dig up people's past. These guys hurt a lot of people, if their records are looked through, that's getting off light after robbing these folks. I hope you're making great strides my friend!!
@@dionstewart7394 haven't been to cook county jail since 2020, finished probation a month early September 2022, and I work full time 😊 I can lay my head at night knowing well I'm not going back to my old life 😁 Edit: haven't
Coffee wasn't looking to expose peoples backgrounds, he was getting testimony from people on the project while Logan refused to speak up. His story fits together while Logan still wants to sell the idea his game is coming out at some point with these loons running it.
Exactly. Not to mention, a 20 yo robbery charge when someone was 19 (and probably coming out of a bad home situation) has nothing to do with the dev not handing over his own code when he wasn’t paid.
it does also feel like a petty mentality to have. Like for contrast what if Hitler would stand in front of you right now and say "hey guys, 2+2 = 4" would you disagree with him just because he's Hitler? obviously not. But considering how Logan tries to make all these people associated with Coffee look like criminals that should "totally not be trusted" just because they robbed a store 22 years ago, i feel like Logan would definetly disagree and even try to argue that 2+2 isnt 4.
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn If Hitler said 2+2=4 I'd have to agree with him, if Kanye West said 2+2=4 I'd probably want to do the math myself to be safe. More on point, Ya just because they were criminals doesn't make their testament invalid when it goes along with the facts like the game does not work at this time, there are texts implying everyone was planning this rug pull at some point but Logan himself never pushed it forward, or the fact Logan had a previous crypto project that was a scam, why should we trust the word of Logan if we know he's a con-artist, Mr. Paul? You're allowed to doubt these people for being involved with scams, but they're also not losing anything and saw their gains disappear while working for Logan so they probably want to voice what happened, or they could lie and that gets judged by other people's testimony and what we know has happened.
He put about as much effort into this "apology" as a little kid screaming he's sorry but also the sibling threw the first punch and he didn't do anything wrong.
Unironically if Logan came out with a revised copy pasta of "I've made a severe lapse in judgement" again, like we know the guy will do and say anything. At least doubling down would've at least been funny, but nope it seems Logan really wants to get down with Jake to see which is the stupider Paul
It’s been awhile since I’ve come back to the channel. You’re looking healthy and that you’ve been doing well. That makes me happy! Keep doing you Muta!
I am impressed by how deeply you went into looking into all of this, and it just made the entire apology video even worse for Logan. Like for with Zack, the only way for Logan to have known he was a criminal would have had to have been when he was hired and he gave his record to Logan. Meaning he knew the whole time, and only brought it up to then rub it into Coffee's face acting like he knew more. If these records were even real to begin with
My theory? Logan specifically hired "bad actors" thinking that would somehow absolve him of the responsibility when shit hit the fan. Sounds almost dumb enough to match his line of thinking
I think Logan knew their background and it is precisely because of their background in scamming that he hired them. He tried to manipulate the market with a stealth launch, and then got pissed when he found out someone was buying the discounted tokens that weren't in their closed circle, devaluating their token. Logan was pissed about it, which shows that he was only doing it for monetary gain.
Same thoughts. He may have purposefully not sold to use that as a defense while he gets a share from the others. The “bad actors” may have been hired for him to use them as a cushion to fall back on incase he gets exposed. Maybe even the “issues” they faced with the project may have been faked as a way to explain the delay.
what's weird was when Logan shows the victim saying that's Emilio and was supposedly responsible to the crypto rug pulls. I couldn't even find that person's name at all and when I did a reverse google search the only thing that pops up was an article that doesn't even link to the person's name or any sort of social medias. So how did Logan manage to find this person's name and if he was supposedly responsible to two rug pulls?
I've given better explanations than Logan Paul as a kid for when I TOTALLY didn't eat an entire bag of shredded cheese at 3 AM while mid-fistful of cheddar.
it's interesting that he wasn't aware of the background of Eddy Ibanez before the investigation, while there were information available just by googling his name, but somehow, was aware of the developer's criminal record, which has been cleared, and records deleted from public access. He seems to be the only one who knew about this guy's past
Logan scamed his fans and now he is trying to hide in the shadows for it all to wash away he also tries to discredit coffeezilla when literally everything he said about him is a reflection of himself
I liked the bit where Logan called out the cryptozoo investor for getting his kids to invest in "crypto" as if he was some kind of monsterous child abuser when Logan literally marketed CryptoZoo as a fun game for kids xD
So someone who apprently comitted crimes in the early 2000s (almost 20 years ago) can not be trusted but a man who's had a history of being a scumbag and creating some pretty sus things in the past (along with his brother, some of those I'm probably getting mixed up in my head) is perfectly okay and trustworthy?
Still love coming back and hearing the thud himself say the equivalent of, "Hey guys, Coffezilla is not a reliable reporter. He failed to mention that I hired a former criminal."
Outstanding video. I would expect that disclosing a legally expunged record may be a felony. The court offers the expungement to protect the citizen from exactly this kind of behavior.
The bit of the statute pertaining to reasonable expectation of privacy is worth mentioning too. A pretty strong argument could be made that a journalist speaking to someone while investigating a company that person is involved in would not create that expectation.
Wrong ,he put more effort into this video than Longan put on all nfts projects. At least by his crypto wallet it seems he did same shit on all coins as on zoo .
The only reason logan didn't sell is not out of the kindness of his heart but because they agreed to sell when it reached a certain market cap which it never did. That's the only reason, because he wanted to rug pull at a higher price.
I hope you’re doing good Muta not regarding the lack of sleep or anything I just genuinely hope your well being friends and family have a great year this year!
Yes yes n yes. GO Coffeezilla. Great content creators both Stephen and Muta, and I have zero stake in crypto. The guys are professionals first and entertainers second. Keep it up guys. Loving the "thats an issue" clip revisit, ahhh, thx Mutha.
Coffeezilla is from Texas and initiated the call in Texas. Thus one-party consent laws in Texas take hold over the two-party consent laws in California. Coffeezilla didn’t break any laws.
Logan's video is just the biggest "you can't touch me! Do you have any idea who I am?!" It's like the entire Cyptozoo thing was some heist movie where they got a crew together of all the scam artists and now that the gig is up he's throwing them all under the bus.
Remember if anyone ever goes "this person was good but since they are targeting me they are noe a gossip and stupid." They are simply lying. They are just upset they are getting talked about.
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Logan Paul getting absolutely ratio'd by outing himself as an incompetent narcissist in an attempt to say he isn't a scammer is absolutely amazing, and definitely the first treat of 2023.
The fact that people still act like Logan's behavior is 'shocking' this far into the game is the only thing that is actually shocking.
Dude was and always has been a grade A douche since the start so what made anyone think that THIS was going to be legit? Didn't he also have some influencer course that he scammed people with a while back or was that his brother?
yet his followers think he cleared everything up and coffeezilla is at fault. insane how people can twist things in their own head. but then, those same people give millions to that asshat.
and everyone will forget in a few weeks when the next youtuber controversy happens and cry about that for a couple weeks and move on from it. It's a never ending cycle
i just can't wait until this garbage teir game is made and reviewed
@@lorenzo42p Most of his followers are kids who are so desperate to be like him they want to live the dream that their idol can do no wrong and that it's everyone else in the world that's the bad guy.
That's how he can keep the grift going; Logan is VERY MUCH aware of the type of fans he has which is why he knows he can keep pitching things like this and get away with it because they'll always try to bail him out even if the evidence of shady business is glowing in front of them in neon colors.
One week Later:
Logan: Mutahar, I’ve been a fan of your channel for a long time…until now ,cause you’ve lost your journalistic integrity
Lmfao
Based on Muta capability, I will not surprise that he can make a trilogy of scanning Logan wallet for that content too.
Is it milking the name of Logan? Yes but who care? It is juicy content that everyone want.
@@chongjunxiang3002 looks like pump'n'dump to me. I think this is illegal in USA.
@@chongjunxiang3002 I’m just waiting for Logan to post himself in a polo and in dark-face on his Twitter at this point
@@Grigorii-j7z On paper it is. In reality, it takes a lot for rich people to face consequences for it.
Very ironic when the guy who filmed the corpse of a suicide victim tries to call out Coffee for being morally questionable
I’m glad you addressed how ridiculously overblown Zachary’s “criminal” history is. I was trying to look up and verify it myself, but obviously I couldn’t get anywhere since they’ve been expunged.
Which begs the question; how the ever-loving fcuk does Logan’s legal team have the investigative power to find a 20+ year old expunged record and a mugshot from who knows where, yet they apparently had no idea about Jake’s incredibly shady past nor Eddie’s obviously fabricated achievements by using a search engine once?
That's easy, Logan's investigative skills only work when he has to defend himself by discrediting people.
Selective diligence, 100%
It’s infuriating nobody is really calling this out…. Logan just totally defamed and invaded this man’s privacy.
My guess would be PR firm does it. At least his whole response felt like written by one.
Because Logan wanted to hire them for criminal reasons and to use them as scapegoats later.
My question is, how old was Z *20* years ago? I mean what, like 18 at best?? Look at him he can't be more than 40 years old. If he hadn't admitted to it himself, I'd have been skeptical that it was true at all.
Seems like Logan has made another severe lapse in his judgement, huh
@YeaMan who asked
Several in fact, for a continuous length of time
A continuous one it seems
for a looong time with no breaks
Did he ever stop?
the best part of his "You should have contacted me not my manager" comment is that when Coffee posted proof that he already tried reaching out to Logan directly, his response was "I can't be expected to respond to every DM I get on every social!" Yeah Logan... THATS WHY YOU HAVE A MANAGER
yea butthis was a serious topic so he should have asked the manager to let him contact logan directly or smth
@@josephleebob3828 …And that’s exactly what he did
@@mrsanguini5819 he didnt and the manager didnt tell logan about it
@@josephleebob3828 He did contact Logan directly- he was the first person he went to. It was AFTER not getting through to Logan that he went on to Jeff, who he still asked to pass on the request to Logan (which he seemingly didn’t do).
@@mrsanguini5819 ye ik and he should have asked again or asked the manager to let him contact logan
I don't blame Stephen for not going on Logan Paul’s podcast. It is so clear that Logan can't comprehend the situation. To him, Stephen is a journalist in this context, not a fellow content creator. Who in his right mind would invite a journalist who is investigating your crimes to a collaboration to create content for you? It hurts my brain trying to wrap my head around that.
What I love is that it really does come of like Logan is trying to throw out as many buzzterms as he can in order to make Coffee in the wrong here. He kept calling him a journalist when a lot of viewers don't recognize Coffee for that, at least in whatever terms Logan is trying to imply. It feels like he only used that term because he knows that for the most part, your average TH-cam viewer doesn't see a lot of faith in journalist in the mainstream news.
Theory? Logan is trying to make Coffee out to be as if he's working in 'the mainstream' so he can paint himself out as the 'independent, put-upon underdog content creator' when Logan is the last fucking person to be seen as an underdog of any sort, let along someone who is put upon. Mother fucker made a complete tool out of himself during a luxury trip to Japan and that was before the events of the forest but no, he's the real victim here gaiz!
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid OK but what you coffee dick riders don’t seem to get is it’s not Logan Paul’s fault that these people fell for what he was putting out. Maybe before falling for an influencer is crypto BS maybe do some research before seeing hey, this looks cool.
No he can comprehend what you are seeing is the old deny deny deny and he caught so he still denying
Also Logan's podcast is basically just filled that Yes Men that back him up on everything he says
@YeaMan oh hey, this bot is still around.
This isn't the first time that January has been a terrible month for Logan.
Maaaan Thats truly one of the worst coincidences honestly HAHAHAHAA
time is a flat circle
Those who don't know their history, will repeat their mistakes.
Things truly never change, Logan is still the same asshole laughing at corpses that he was years ago.
FFOOORRREEESSSTT!
The worst part is that instead of giving zootoken holders their money back, he decides to spend that money in a lawyer in order to attack the person who spoke up for the victims
He's a public celebrity, he already had a lawyer on retainer
@@largeshark9021
Yeah, he still has to pay the lawyer though, for as long as the lawsuit lasts. The point is that he could use that money for refunds.
Tbh I don't have much sympathy for the people who lost money on this garbage. It's been known for ages now that anything in the nft sphere is a scam, especially when it's coming from a snake like Logan Paul.
@@meleemastermaa1449 what a moron. He could've kept his reputation safe and given the money to them, but instead he is ruining his reputation while spending the money on a lawyer(s)
Literally this comment.
"This is what I get for relying on..."
That was some of the biggest credibility hit for me. Leaders own up. Own your mistakes, own your scams.
To be honest, no millionaires and up owns up to their mistakes. No company really does. They sue the people that call them out to bully them, just like Jake Paul is doing now.
Dude I was surprised when he ousted himself for hiring the guy, only for a second later to blame it on his team. Early on some people in his comment section were putting a timestamp on this as him taking accountability, completely ignoring the next statement, it was bafling
People don’t quit jobs. They quit bosses.
but if he owns up to his scam he wont be able to scam anymore, he wants to still be able to scam the younger people that believe his lies
Well said
I’m only at 8:48, but my gosh, this just makes Logan even more sinister. The fact that he publicly showed *expunged* records (and exaggerated the contents) just to defame this man and poke holes in Coffee’s story is just evil. That right there makes me believe Logan isn’t just a bumbling idiot but is scheming and two-faced himself.
He arranged a boxing match where his opponant was contractually obliged to not knock him out...I wouldn't put any sort of scumbaggery past a poser like that.
And the crazy thing is he thinks that makes coffee look bad…when it really makes Logan look like a fucking moron
yeah I'm speechless that he would go that low like the rat he is. it's stupid and brutal and senseless and disgusting - he could have ruined that man's life for an impotent ad hominem for fucks sake 🙄🤢
You are wrong about one thing though. He really is a idiot
4-faced. Each face cheek and ass cheek is one.
i think its very kind of logan paul to assist coffeezilla in his efforts to expose logan paul
This comment this made me laugh way too hard
That is in the running for the greatest youtube comment of all time.
Muta dissecting a 7 minute video in 45 minutes is my favorite types of muta videos
@YeaMan maybe first learn how to spell before you say anything 💀
Adios @YeaMan you pathetic bot
@@qadi796 “paige” moment
@@qadi796 maybe keep it to yourself if you don't have anything nice or of value.
And Charlie's commentary on this is 22min. I love long form content
Poor Logan, he was just the leader of the entire operation. How could he possibly know anything at all about his own project and the people working on it? That's impossible!
you forget he isn't very bright
@@Eisenwulf666 hes being sarcastic
And everyone bullying him over it smh 😞
Sbf vibes
he'll have time to think on it while mandingo and big joe are taping hes and sam bank's ass in jail hahaha they said the same thing
It’s hilarious how Logan Paul can articulately and concisely judge Coffeezilla’s supposed lack of due diligence while justifying his own actions by essentially saying “it’s not my fault I’m stupid”.
I am amazed at how logan manages to simultaneously show his own ignorance/incompetence in not understanding what a manager's job is, while also throwing his manager under the bus for apparently not doing his job. This kind of stuff just writes itself
I’m amazed he managed to fool millions into believing he changed & was a “new man” after the forest debacle. All he did was pretend to be oh so woke & enlightened and poof…image was rehabilitated lol His arrogance & ignorance were usually on full display, but bc he used the right buzzwords & took the “popular” side in whatever topic was circling social media at the time, he was deemed to have matured & learned from his mistakes 😂
@@isitoveryet9525 A man with something to lose will never improve.
This situation is quite peculiar. A scammer tried to scam honest people with the help of other scammers. Then, those other scammers ended up scamming him. Coffee initiated the call so Texas law should take priority over California. Also, sometimes leaking calls for the sake of public interest can be used as a good defence. Logan tried to manipulate the market, got caught and now is trying to make coffee look bad. Unfortunately, his plan severely back-fired.
And that's why Logan deleted his video on Coffeezilla and also apologized, because had the trial happened everyone (even more people than now) would find that out, even his so called "fans" that just don't have the braincells or too much pride to admit they're supporting a scamming clown. What a one man clown show.
Couldn’t have said it any better and Logan’s defense was pretty much “ I didn’t make any money off my scam so it wasn’t a scam”
It's a misdemeanor at most.
It's also a distraction and is a call to authority when it doesn't, ducking, matter.
We can clearly see that this is in Public interest and didn't do any damage.
Eavesdropping laws will protect you if you experience damages because of it
Just as a note, the call originating from Texas doesn't mean he isn't criminally liable. He could be charged in the state of California, but there is a bunch of stuff he may have done regarding consent and expectation of privacy that means he did nothing illegal. Moreover, the whole point is moot since no one will press charges against him.
Another thing that got pointed out was the "illegal recording", the call started with "can I get comments on the zoo project" as well as introduction. That's straight up giving consent by giving comments after fully knowing who that person was.
Explicit consent and implied consent are different. But legality does not equal morality. Law only seeks to make the act of achieving justice - neutral or good outcomes - more efficient. Sometimes it gets it wrong. And In this case everyone can agree that the recordings are of overwhelming Public interest and did no damage to be claimed by a potential lawsuit
@@ayoCC The thing is,the wiretapping laws being referenced don’t actually require consent. They prohibit recording someone when they’d have a reasonable expectation of privacy. If you straight up tell someone ‘hey this call is going to be recorded’, it doesn’t matter if they consent to the recording or not. They’ve lost the reasonable expectation that the call would be private, so it’s legal to record.
The question is if you’d still have a reasonable expectation that a call would be private after being told by someone who you know is a journalist that they’re reaching out for comments. Which would be a question for the courts if it ever went anywhere (which it probably won’t now).
So Logan says Coffee has it all wrong, but then goes to show that everything Coffee investigated was true? But why?
Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire! But in this case, Logan Paul isn't a smart man and is burning himself alive.
@@deathsyth8888 What a beautiful way to put it. Nice
Logan fought fire with gasoline soaked towels.
It wasn’t very effective
Logan: "Coffeezilla's work has been said to be 'often speculative' and 'not anchored in truth'
Also Logan:
- Thanks Coffeezilla 'for calling out the rats that stole from him'.
- * Used a clip from Coffeezilla's video supporting the fact that he didn't make money from the project *
It’s funny how he tries to say Coffeezilla is a discredited and unserious wanna-be journalist yet Logan says he only learned through Coffeezilla that Ibanez was phony.
Hasn't Logan ever heard of "modern geek joUrNaliSTs?" Those "journos" are truly discredited and not serious.
@@veggsbacon1891my point is he’s saying Coffeezilla isn’t credible yet he’s going on info he only first got from Coffeezilla himself. Proving he thinks Coffeezilla isn’t actually untrustworthy
his defense is basically, "guys I'm not evil, I'm just incompetent and made one bad decision after another"
@@lawrencelopez9839 you mean continuous lapse of judgement
@@lawrencelopez9839 ah, the sbf defence I see
Man I love all these investigative TH-camrs I’m finding lately. Fascinating how the people they talk about keep getting away with it and the twists/turns these situations take.
Also I like to imagine Logan watches these videos like “Why can’t these guys just let me scam people?!”
Indeed!
If it wasn't for those damn meddling kids!!!! 😂
I totally hear the Scooby-Doo villain who gets caught and says the trademark line lol 😂
The thief is.... Logan Paul!
Again!
Coffeezilla going on Logan Paul's podcast would be like joining an Xbox party invite from the enemy team just to get yelled over by 5 different kids.
Plus they can edit the footage to make it look like coffee is saying anything they want.
I would bet anything! That Jake would end up taking a swing at Coffeezilla!
Ah, the good ol' days.
The editing is definitely the main concern. I think zilla could easily hold his own, against Mike & Logan lol George is the only one of the 3 that would’ve been genuine & I doubt he would try any sleazy tactics while filming.
If Coffeezilla is allowed to film with his own camera crew and could walk out with the raw footage it could work.
The dumbest part of all this, for me, is Logan trying to use Z's criminal record - which he shows on screen - as a reason why he can't be trusted. IIRC the charge was for armed robbery and obstructing the legal process - not small crimes, but not exactly huge either. Time was served, and... this happened in 2002.
Then later in the video, Logan seems furious that his efforts to rehabilitate his own image are being inconvenienced by Coffee reporting on the things he's actually been doing, rather than the things he'd like people to notice.
I don't know whether Z is still a criminal or not, and it doesn't actually matter - his testimonial is either accurate or it isn't, regardless of who he is. But I find the idea that past wrongdoings can and will turn any truth into lies... really ironic coming from the DinkDoink suicide forest man who, despite his insistence at the time, absolutely DOES expect to be forgiven, for everything, even for things that he's literally just done.
OK, that's the second dumbest part: the actual dumbest part is Logan trying to claim that Coffee made him out to be the "supervillain" mastermind of the situation. Like, Logan would rather be falsely accused of being as the genius mastermind of a scam, than accept that he was rightly accused of being a relative bitplayer or an incompetent boob.
They are not crimes of deception so not relevant.
People who get out of jail should be treated as free people, as everyone else.
Bonus: Zach is a private person who asked to be anonimous so he both doxxed him and did a private person defamation, because he made negligent misrepresentations that can cause damages to Zach.
@@ayoCC - tbh, since the doc in question looks like it might have been mocked up by Logan rather than something that's publicly available... I legit wonder about the legality of that too.
I know that's not a huge deal, but it really points to how much work Logan seems to have been willing to put into destroying himself.
I hope Z sues, because unlike anything that's happened to Logan, misrepresenting a contractor you refused to pay as "holding work for ransom" actually *is* defamatory.
It does sound like this situation is an absolutely shitshow though. Like, "the receipts" in an employer/employee relationship should not be DMs - I would've been demanding an invoice at the very least, and tbh, given that it's Logan Paul, I would've wanted a pro forma.
@@FTZPLTC definitely pretty shady.
Taking on a client for 50k a week without contract
Even if as a Public Person there's a reasonable expectation to act in his own interest
Yup. It's that "whataboutism" kind of defense. He's pointing to his criminal record as a "well what about this..." thing, just to change topic and deflect from his own heat.
Jee wiz! That’s a long comment!
After conducting multiple financial investigations during my career, Muda is right. You can't say definitively without a deeper dive, but there sure is some next level shady stuff going on and associations in his wallets to Alameda certainly aren't going to help and he is going to bring it all to court on his own, what a treat. As for his dream team of employees, he needs to take it on the chin like a man and CEO if he hired these people. Then to finally say CryptoZoo is coming '23/'24 after it was supposed to already be here in '22 and went silent for over a year? Hello 2023...
All he had to do was acknowledge the concerns. And show some remorse for addressing it earlier. That’s like literally it.
He could've come out and said I hired the wrong people, I wanted to build something legit and we got rug pulled in the end. I kept the coin because I will rebuild this program and get better people on it and vet them more. And most people would be like ok
Don’t you think, that like not doing a rug pull would be the better option?
You know like: you don’t have to apologize to people if you don’t purposely do things you might have to apologize for. Like a rug pull scam
@@ISIIN15 lol, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice well... Shame on me. No one is gonna make a fool of themselves twice
Yeah and people would still find a way to be upset
@@ISIIN15 but his intent was to just make something with hype to sell to billionaire investors ? He didn't even have a product and was already discussing how to manipulate the market of its tokens with minimal damage . He's not sorry for what he did he's sorry he got scammed and then exposed .
"I wasn't involved in a scam. I just partook in a series of actions to artificially inflate assets and services that I knew had little to no value and threw multiple transactions with other individuals marketed and sold said assets/services to the public through my own personal endorsement and influence while obsconding with ill gained profits after selling my shares of the operation at its zenith and left everyone else with worthless digital junk. See, that's totally not a scam."
- Logan Paul
Sounds like something I'd hear in a skit from oversimplifed history
thing is he never actually did sell off his Zoo token, it was tanked before he had the chance, and he's clinging to that technicality while blatantly ignoring all the real evidence of his conspiring to commit fraud on his fans.
@@dopesickdog there’s also the other money from the egg nfts that coffezilla said made more than a million but because the money was sent to a coin based address there’s no way to know who exactly received that money so it’s entirely possible Logan did make some cheese off zoo
@@dopesickdog True. He got scammed before he had the opportunity to scam his usual marks. Entertaining to say the least.
@@endlessstrata6988 No honour among thieves.
I've watched 5-6 videos on this subject now, but this is the first one I've seen that actually adds to the discussion rather than just comments on it. Excellent work.
"My team just screwed me over stealing millions from fans. Lets sue this reporter who is investigating me."
Yeah, priorities Logan
Underrated comment right here.
That's true and that doesn't make any sense why would you do that instead of protecting your fan base. I do believe that Logan Paul has been a scum, never have liked him (even as a kid I realized that he seemed suspicious)
@@philxdev it would only be good business if he doesn't actually file a lawsuit, otherwise he is screwed.
Logan seems to be another that falls into the "Coffee did great work till he came after me" cycle some of these people love to be in.
Happens every time they don't apologize
Coffeezilla is the grim reaper of TH-cam
So on the consent thing, since Coffee is in Texas and the recording device was presumably in Texas, Logan would have a huge problem trying to get the case heard in California. Generally the state where the recording device is located prevails.
Logan: Knowingly has someone who is a criminal(?) on their team.
Also Logan: *How could this be my fault?*
Underrated comment
"Yeah I work with criminals! What now mr. Internet journalist? Bet you look pretty dumb huh?"
Like, does he even hear himself? Lol
@Super Blast Bros. "yea I just trust my safe that I barely even looked into to vet all the people that will do the real work around here that sounds better then me know the guys and having a good time. They will all believe this and love there good old Logan Paul" like come on bro, take the L and move on you'll get out on bail unless the IRS gets your ass.
isnt Logan also a criminal. didnt he beat up a girl while high on drugs?
@Super Blast Bros. he does not actually have the mental capacity. I don't know why people don't understand this.
Well apparently Logan can do the background check on the developer to throw him under the bus but not when he hired him to make his game
Watching this back with the context of Logan deleting this and dropping the lawsuit threats makes it even better
I have watched quite a few people’s reactions to Logan’s response videos but this is by far the most thorough breakdown of everything and very well put together, AS USUAL!
He always picks up on details that others miss!
The thing about the developer was that they weren't getting paid. This was what coffe focus on in his video not the developer's themselve. It doesn't help the fact that coffe said another developer was bought on to fix crytozoo after lunch but quit months later due to the fact that once again, they weren't getting paid.
Are you criticising or defending coffee? I'm not the brightest so I don't understand what you mean by this 😂
@@fuucaran he is defending coffee by saying that the developers themselves are not the main point, but the fact that, they aren’t getting paid
Exactly even if the dude was a criminal he still did a job for you, you still have to pay him even if he previously committed a crime lmao
I love how Logan’s best defense can be summarized as “this isn’t a scam because we got scammed before we could scam anyone!”
I love this take. I subscribed cause of it. But the thing that bothers me the most is very few people are pointing out the fact that Logan marketed this game as being the introduction to crypto for kids. And he tries to throw Emilio under the bus for having his kids invest in it.
Gaslighting at its best
The whole video was a textbook example of projection. From questioning Coffee's integrity for not vetting his sources to referring to bad actors in crypto after he participated in dink doink and this debacle. It's like he's talking about himself the entire time 😂
"A Fool and his money are soon parted."
Lol coffee and muta are friends lol there goats fr they exposed faze clan then coffee exposed faze there legit amazing people
@@ItsGoatSeason Stop talking about yourself, this is serious! 😂
The part I love the most, is where Logan shows the message from Dec, 24th, complaining, that coffeezilla hasn't reached out to him earlier, while you can clearly see, that the name of the chat is called "3rd request" 😂
Also in one breath he says why didn’t you contact me directly?!?! Why would you contact my manager?!?! And also I’m so popular how did you think I’d see your DM. Like what the actual fuck
I think he must be going for the EDP approach where he becomes so hated it turns into a meme
@@HairyJuan as history tells us january is logan's power play month for that to happen
Holy fuck, I didn't even notice that one LMAO
@@kstarr3555 Thus raising what is even the point of his manager if not to direct attempts to contact Logan like this? Logan can't claim that Coffeezilla didn't attempt to contact him but then act like all the attempts to contact him don't count because he doesn't look at those.
So basically he tried to expose Coffeezilla and Zach for crimes and in doing so, committed crimes himself, including the very crime he accused Coffee of. Amazing.
No, it's all okay, guys. He just made a severe and continous lapse in his judgement.
A continuous lapse that still persists to this day.
"I may have gone too far in a few places" - Logan Paul after scamming his middle and lower class fans out of their money.
@@flarestorm9417 Damn, I feel old.
He never learn from the suicide forest, didn't he?
continuous
Whilst getting paid millions...bad judgement eh?
Logan is totally in character. Narcissistic attitude, finger pointing, taking ZERO blame or accountability, and in fact possibly making himself looking even more incompetent (I don’t even know how that’s possible). Every TH-camr unanimously disagrees with Logan and he’s going to protect his hill alone. Even George called him out on it and he just starts acting like such a baby.
What I really like about your videos is how you start every new thought with the phrase "ladies and gentlemen". More class has never been a thing I've ever looked for on youtube, but apparently it's just one of those things I didn't know I wanted.
I’ve made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgment, and I don’t expect to be forgiven. I’m simply here to apologize. What we came across that day in the woods was obviously unplanned. The reactions you saw on tape were raw; they were unfiltered. None of us knew how to react or how to feel. I should have never posted the video. I should have put the cameras down and stopped recording what we were going through. There's a lot of things I should have done differently, but I didn't. And for that, from the bottom of my heart, I am sorry. I want to apologize to the Internet. I want to apologize to anyone who has seen the video. I want to apologize to anyone who has been affected or touched by mental illness or depression or suicide. But most importantly, I want to apologize to the victim and his family. For my fans who are defending my actions, please don't. I don’t deserve to be defended. The goal with my content is always to entertain; to push the boundaries, to be all-inclusive. In the world I live in, I share almost everything I do. The intent is never to be heartless, cruel, or malicious. Like I said-I made a huge mistake. I don’t expect to be forgiven, I’m just here to apologize. I'm ashamed of myself. I’m disappointed in myself. And I promise to be better. I will be better. Thank you.
Man has this on deck
@@Bike_Chain like a damn Yu Gi Oh card
Logan is a total sociop@th
Damn this was so good. I actually forgive you.
haha we got the logan paul copy pasta 🤣
I would be scared to go on the podcast with Logan in person, he looks so angry and he clearly doesn’t see how bad he’s looking.
he a bully
And I thought Jake was the sociopath of the pair. 🤣
@@KermitOfWar they were raised by a family of sociopathy pushers
@@KermitOfWar Apple doesnt fall far from the tree
One thing on the wiretap/two party consent laws is that coffeezilla specifically states at the beginning of the call that he was "calling for comment" stating who he was and why he was calling. Jeff understood that he was talking to a journalist about a story, he needed to take consent away if he didn't want his responses published.
I always love that you go the extra mile on these things. Even if everything he said was true, it was already an awful response, effectively just deflecting all guilt and trying to discredit Coffeezilla. But knowing that even the few snippets of “facts” he brought up are questionable at best, it makes everything even worse somehow.
Doesn't help any facts that were solid were literally taken from coffezilla and "his former partners in crime"
@@stallord8 In other words, copying someone else homeworks then lying about them copying your homeworks.
Damn, this feels like an appetizer video, until we get the main course video to Coffeezilla’s eventual response. Thanks for whetting my appetite for that muta!
He's gonna get the smackdown for this, I just know it.
*muta
muda means useless 😦
He probably wont be able to say much at least right now if it really is in the legal realm. He might drop a update letting us know what he's gonna do after communicating with his legal team though.
Yeah wet it
7:28 Hearing this portion is actually crazy. No one I've seen covering this has mentioned the crimes he committed were from 20 years ago. Logan talks about how it feels to try and be a better person and make up for his mistakes while putting someone else's down in the same fucking breath: 41:58
On the contacting Logan bit, if we reasonably assume that Coffee did contact the manager for comment/interview (it's almost like we have a phone call with the manager), that means one of two scenarios probably played out: either the manager DIDN'T tell Logan about how Coffee was trying to get in touch, or he DID and Logan decided to not address it one way or another. One adds another person to the "why tf did you hire this person" pile, the other is a great example of "ounce of prevention, pound of cure". Both go to show that Logan is not to be trusted.
Calling someone and recording it is one side ocnsent in texas(where Coffeezilla and Logans manager reside) if coffeezilla called Jeff and told him why he calledh im and jeff agreed to it its already legal lol
@@revilo9224 they werent talking about if its legal or not ... they were talking about assuming it was (which it was legal) why didnt jeff tell logan, and if he did why didnt logan act on it and is acting innocent now
Didn't Logan preemptively block Coffeezilla, which was why he had to go through his manager?
Also in one breath he says why didn’t you contact me directly?!?! Why would you contact my manager?!?! And also I’m so popular how did you think I’d see your DM. Like what the actual fuck
It also shows me how absolutely impossible it must be to deal with him. He’s one of those people who throws out contradictory rationale for whatever blame he’s trying to deflect in the moment. You reached out to his manager? Well you should have reached out to him. Oh, you did reach out to him? Well, he says, you can’t expect him to read every DM! Even tho yeah, that’s why you reached out to his manager. But no! You’re a supposed to reach out to him directly! Even tho he can’t be expected to read every DM. Over and over in circles until you just give up and let it go.
Funny that this is what finally made Logan mention the project after all of this time lol
Logan: "The blockchain doesn't lie!"
You're right, Logan. It doesn't. And the blockchain is making you look very, very bad.
I love how many things Logan indirectly or unintentionally throws Jeff under the bus for. Crappy project staffing, talking to people he shouldn't be, not communicating with his client, ect. If his manager Jeff is really such a screw-up that he single-handedly killed both the project and Logan's reputation, why is he still employed? And why is Logan going to such great lengths to paint all of Jeff's screw-ups as the fault of other people? Of course it's obvious that the real reason is they were both in on all of it.
On the Impaulsive podcast they throw Jeff off for reacting to Mike comparing Logan to Germany in WWII. It's around the 34 minute mark on the podcast.
Plot twist: Jeff doesnt exist. It was Logan all along. The person known as 'Jeff' is a literal bad actor.
Jeff got dirt on logan lol
Why is Jeff still employed? Well, look at what a good fall guy he makes for Logan’s negligence. He’s like a paid scapegoat.
Imagine being a lawyer who gets assigned to work for Logan and then realizing "yep, this do be my first case of the year"
Law firm who put him there be laughing at him
"okay lets what case we hav- oh no"
So what confuses me is that he is choosing to sue Coffeezilla rather than Eddie Ibanez and Cryptoking. They actually stole money and it's easy to prove. I watched a video a day or two ago of a lawyer reacting to this situation and he mentioned something very interesting: In that lawyer's experience, whenever he sees this he always assumes that those parties are 'still in bed' together.
9:45 Didn't Logan say he's suing Coffee for recording his manager without consent? Did Logan get Zach Kelling's consent before posting this sound clip in his video?
I heard you don't have to have consent when recording in Texas, from where Coffee apparently recorded. So that should go just out of the window
@@dimadobrik4516 that was irrelvant to the point I was trying to make, but yes I heard that too. It makes it even funnier and more ironic.
Logan is asserting that the recording between Coffezilla and his manager was recorded without the manager’s consent and then posted, which may or may not be illegal. The big point there is that it might have been recorded illegally by someone in the conversation, not that it was posted online. The posting thing only has relevance if it was in fact recorded illegally.
It’s made clear in Coffezilla’s video that the recording of Z was made with the consent of both parties, so Logan taking and using that particular audio clip isn’t problematic or a double standard, at least in regards to wiretapping laws.
truly one of your best thumbnails. I'm glad muta has embraced being a meme
@YeaMan yeah cause my initial comment was totally about music
@@Bike_Chainthats a bot lol, you can see it on other comments as well
@@jairozamora608 I know, I was making fun of the absurdity of the bot algorithm thinking my comment was about music.
"CryptoZoo is coming. I'll make damn sure of that"
This aged so well😂😂
The whole response video is basically just Logan blaming everybody but himself for the scam and not taking responsibility for hiring literal criminals for the crypto scam he put out.
and that LP knew it going in, since those records were later expunged, he kept them for future use
Imagine being his editor through this, sweatin buckets if I had to guess.😂
Man hayden is one of the best editors as well. I hope this means he can finally disassociate himself from logan.
"I'm gonna take the money and run. Loyalty is a meme."
Bucket? More like a pool
I wanna know what the fuck his cameraman was thinking with their shorty zooms and pull outs.
No I imagine he's a jaded man with bags under his eyes & surrounded by empty coffee cups & a mountain of half smoked cigarettes.
I always appreciate your takes. I haven’t seen anyone else talk about the felony allegations against the dev as either doxxing or defamation, with no provable evidence publicly available.
While it is technically "doxxing" it isn't defamation or illegal doxxing (which is what doxxing usually refers to). It is super scummy but not illegal.
@@tinkerer3399 it should be
@Wolfette Plays Eh, I'd say not. And I don't quite think you've thought through the repercussions of making it illegal. Let's look at it this way.
Suppose I hold up a convenience store to feed my starving kid. It makes it into the local news, my family makes posts on Facebook, and Twitter throws the case around because their is something funny about it (lets suppose I used a Batman nerf gun).
Now I serve my time and when I'm released the judge goes "You know what? You were trying to feed your kid, you have no priors, and you've been a model prisoner. We're gonna expunge your record so you don't have this hanging over your head."
Does that mean the newspaper have to go back and censor their articles? Do my family members have to go back and delete their posts? Can the guy I held up never talk about it again? It would be ridiculous. So the two options are either they make arrest records completely confidential (VERY dangerous, you want to know what the cops are up to) or they engage in massive censorship on every expunged case.
@@tinkerer3399 Muta states the guy says he didn’t rob a liquor store. Claiming he did, as a fact, when we cannot prove that, would be defamation. I don’t believe an expunged conviction would change that; wrongful convictions happen. In a civil trial, Logan would have to prove that the guy did, indeed, rob a liquor store 20 years ago.
@Anna Victrix Not quite. Or at least very probably not. There are a ton of laws that factor into this such as the law of first publication. This is a law that states that when something is first published that is the state of the world that applies to that publication.
So let's say that someone says that Logan Paul has a brain tumor and is gonna perish in a year and this is untrue. This could adversely affect his business deals and is defamation. And then a month later Logan Paul develops a brain tumor and is gonna die within a year. He could still sue them for defamation (well before he dies he could) because even though the article is now true it was untrue at the time of publication. That is how these places operate. Even though the record is now sealed and unavailable it was public information at the time that they "published" it. And it is provable, there are multiple publications that the can check with. They don't need the official records.
There is a bunch of other stuff that factors into it but basically that is the gist. There are a couple of places that have laws that supercede this however they are a rare minority.
I laughed at "crypto Keemstar." Then I realized there's no way he wrote that or a single word he said in the whole apology video himself. The speech is clearly written by a lawyer and his pr team and the delivery makes that obvious (ironic given his claim to fame is acting). I wound not be surprised in the slightest if his team literally paid a writer to write jokes tailored specifically to the speech.
If this script really was written by a lawyer as you suggest, then that lawyer is about as good quality as all the low-quality sycophants, scammers, criminals, and hangers-on that Logan surrounds himself with.
I think the idea a lawyer "wrote his script" couldn't be further from the truth. The fact the video was made at all is wildly inadvisable. I think he was told not to do it, and Logan was too stubborn and arrogant and thought this would sway people. What he says doesn't seem carefully planned at all, and I think could open him up to even more scrutiny in a court setting. Really, really don't think he was advised to say any of that.
No lawyer wanted their client to put more things to scrutinize by the public unless the lawyer is trying to screw him lol.
From the law firm of Dumb and Dumber
There is absolutely no way anything that he says was written or approved by any legal or pr team.
My father had the bad tendency to always end up working with shady characters who screwed him over in the end and I had to save him constantly. What I got from that was, if you’re not following a clean route, shady lingo is thrown around, everything sounds easy, the people you talk with avoid telling you exactly what kind of business they’re running, and lawyers are considered bad because “they’ll just complicate things”, just run.
Unless you’re some financial or business genius yourself, and can identify paths others can’t, just follow the traditional way of doing business, especially if you don’t have money to waste.
coffee explicitly describes the moments when he is talking off record. this means he's paying attention to consent
As someone who has 7 felonies it sucks to see that people will still expose you on your past even though you have changed.
Bringing up old mates felony from 2002 is a huge stretch. Especially since it was robbery and not financial/money fraud it’s even more of a stretch.
In all fairness, these guys brought this on themselves. This isn't happening just to dig up people's past. These guys hurt a lot of people, if their records are looked through, that's getting off light after robbing these folks. I hope you're making great strides my friend!!
@@dionstewart7394 haven't been to cook county jail since 2020, finished probation a month early September 2022, and I work full time 😊 I can lay my head at night knowing well I'm not going back to my old life 😁
Edit: haven't
@@jaimegarcia767 Keep on keeping on friend. Shoot for the mf stars.
@@jaimegarcia767 Gigachad alert
I love how Coffeezilla isn't responding to all this nonsense. His videos still stand and say all he needs to.
He was going to respond tho
Coffee wasn't looking to expose peoples backgrounds, he was getting testimony from people on the project while Logan refused to speak up. His story fits together while Logan still wants to sell the idea his game is coming out at some point with these loons running it.
Well, Logan Paul just opened himself up to a huge lawsuit.
Logan’s mad he interviews criminals as if that’s not all he had to interview on the team since Logan only hired criminals 😂😂😂
Exactly. Not to mention, a 20 yo robbery charge when someone was 19 (and probably coming out of a bad home situation) has nothing to do with the dev not handing over his own code when he wasn’t paid.
it does also feel like a petty mentality to have.
Like for contrast what if Hitler would stand in front of you right now and say "hey guys, 2+2 = 4" would you disagree with him just because he's Hitler? obviously not. But considering how Logan tries to make all these people associated with Coffee look like criminals that should "totally not be trusted" just because they robbed a store 22 years ago, i feel like Logan would definetly disagree and even try to argue that 2+2 isnt 4.
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn If Hitler said 2+2=4 I'd have to agree with him, if Kanye West said 2+2=4 I'd probably want to do the math myself to be safe.
More on point, Ya just because they were criminals doesn't make their testament invalid when it goes along with the facts like the game does not work at this time, there are texts implying everyone was planning this rug pull at some point but Logan himself never pushed it forward, or the fact Logan had a previous crypto project that was a scam, why should we trust the word of Logan if we know he's a con-artist, Mr. Paul? You're allowed to doubt these people for being involved with scams, but they're also not losing anything and saw their gains disappear while working for Logan so they probably want to voice what happened, or they could lie and that gets judged by other people's testimony and what we know has happened.
Ironically, Logan uses Coffees own research to try to besmirch him... we live in odd times
did Logan sue those crooks he teamed up with, before he threatened to sue Coffee? No. That's all we need to know about him.
He put about as much effort into this "apology" as a little kid screaming he's sorry but also the sibling threw the first punch and he didn't do anything wrong.
better way to say it
he is putting as much effort as his talent which is very little
@@yeaman3214 Dumb bots
@@the-golden-duck Don't respond to bots it makes them more credible in youtube's eyes as if they are in a conversation or asking a question.
So... not only did Logan showed off how he 'knows' of the criminals but he also violated Data Privacy Act too???
What do you expect? He is pure scum. So i his brother, both him and his brother deserve to be 6ft under rotting in the ground
It's almost like Logan specifically hired the Avengers of shady backgrounds just so he could throw them under the bus should the situation go awry.
Unironically if Logan came out with a revised copy pasta of "I've made a severe lapse in judgement" again, like we know the guy will do and say anything. At least doubling down would've at least been funny, but nope it seems Logan really wants to get down with Jake to see which is the stupider Paul
They have always been tied
It’s been awhile since I’ve come back to the channel. You’re looking healthy and that you’ve been doing well. That makes me happy! Keep doing you Muta!
Welcome back!
He took his video down and apparently called Coffee to apologise. Mans digging himself a massive hole.
He should get in that 6 foot hole and fill it in.
He should get in that 6 foot hole and fill it in.
I am impressed by how deeply you went into looking into all of this, and it just made the entire apology video even worse for Logan. Like for with Zack, the only way for Logan to have known he was a criminal would have had to have been when he was hired and he gave his record to Logan. Meaning he knew the whole time, and only brought it up to then rub it into Coffee's face acting like he knew more. If these records were even real to begin with
My theory? Logan specifically hired "bad actors" thinking that would somehow absolve him of the responsibility when shit hit the fan. Sounds almost dumb enough to match his line of thinking
I think Logan knew their background and it is precisely because of their background in scamming that he hired them. He tried to manipulate the market with a stealth launch, and then got pissed when he found out someone was buying the discounted tokens that weren't in their closed circle, devaluating their token. Logan was pissed about it, which shows that he was only doing it for monetary gain.
@@GPS08 maybe it was pre planned and cryptoking was his fall guy. cryptoking gave him a big cut out of what was stolen in cash
Same thoughts. He may have purposefully not sold to use that as a defense while he gets a share from the others. The “bad actors” may have been hired for him to use them as a cushion to fall back on incase he gets exposed. Maybe even the “issues” they faced with the project may have been faked as a way to explain the delay.
what's weird was when Logan shows the victim saying that's Emilio and was supposedly responsible to the crypto rug pulls. I couldn't even find that person's name at all and when I did a reverse google search the only thing that pops up was an article that doesn't even link to the person's name or any sort of social medias. So how did Logan manage to find this person's name and if he was supposedly responsible to two rug pulls?
I've given better explanations than Logan Paul as a kid for when I TOTALLY didn't eat an entire bag of shredded cheese at 3 AM while mid-fistful of cheddar.
No shame in cheese
W snack
Pretty sure it was your pet/brother/sister/relative/etc. 👍🏻
@@luislebronaponte2737 Nothing like a 7 y/o barbecuing their sibling. Of course, you caught me!
Wait, other people do that? I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE???
Thanks for doing extra research and not just reaction like everyone else
it's interesting that he wasn't aware of the background of Eddy Ibanez before the investigation, while there were information available just by googling his name, but somehow, was aware of the developer's criminal record, which has been cleared, and records deleted from public access. He seems to be the only one who knew about this guy's past
Logan scamed his fans and now he is trying to hide in the shadows for it all to wash away he also tries to discredit coffeezilla when literally everything he said about him is a reflection of himself
If you're stupid enough to buy crypto, you deserve to lose your money
I liked the bit where Logan called out the cryptozoo investor for getting his kids to invest in "crypto" as if he was some kind of monsterous child abuser when Logan literally marketed CryptoZoo as a fun game for kids xD
I won't say that Logan was preparing a heist, but he got the full GTA squad ready for it... There has to be a reason to get people with such "skills"
You can even see Lester on the back telling him how this is the dumbest heist he's ever seen.
So someone who apprently comitted crimes in the early 2000s (almost 20 years ago) can not be trusted but a man who's had a history of being a scumbag and creating some pretty sus things in the past (along with his brother, some of those I'm probably getting mixed up in my head) is perfectly okay and trustworthy?
Still love coming back and hearing the thud himself say the equivalent of,
"Hey guys, Coffezilla is not a reliable reporter. He failed to mention that I hired a former criminal."
Outstanding video. I would expect that disclosing a legally expunged record may be a felony. The court offers the expungement to protect the citizen from exactly this kind of behavior.
I really like your longer videos where you do these deep dives. You’re very talented at this sort of content.
The bit of the statute pertaining to reasonable expectation of privacy is worth mentioning too. A pretty strong argument could be made that a journalist speaking to someone while investigating a company that person is involved in would not create that expectation.
Muta put more effort into this video than Logan did for his entire response
Wrong ,he put more effort into this video than Longan put on all nfts projects.
At least by his crypto wallet it seems he did same shit on all coins as on zoo .
"probably" 😅
You know its game over when coffee and muta get together 💪
The only reason logan didn't sell is not out of the kindness of his heart but because they agreed to sell when it reached a certain market cap which it never did. That's the only reason, because he wanted to rug pull at a higher price.
I hope you’re doing good Muta not regarding the lack of sleep or anything I just genuinely hope your well being friends and family have a great year this year!
Love that Coffezilla is getting all that attention, definitely the guy deserves it!
Yes yes n yes. GO Coffeezilla. Great content creators both Stephen and Muta, and I have zero stake in crypto. The guys are professionals first and entertainers second. Keep it up guys. Loving the "thats an issue" clip revisit, ahhh, thx Mutha.
“Allegedly” is a pretty advanced word for Logan
Coffeezilla is from Texas and initiated the call in Texas. Thus one-party consent laws in Texas take hold over the two-party consent laws in California. Coffeezilla didn’t break any laws.
Logan's video is just the biggest "you can't touch me! Do you have any idea who I am?!"
It's like the entire Cyptozoo thing was some heist movie where they got a crew together of all the scam artists and now that the gig is up he's throwing them all under the bus.
its funny how the game still isnt here and he hasnt paid anyone back for the scam
Remember if anyone ever goes "this person was good but since they are targeting me they are noe a gossip and stupid." They are simply lying. They are just upset they are getting talked about.
The thumbnail is basically Logan having to go through Muta as the final boss.