Max Kellerman Says You Cannot Build A Team Around Kyrie Irving | First Take | June 21, 2017
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- Max Kellerman says that you cannot build a team around Cleveland Cavaliers' Kyrie Irving, regardless of his ability to take a good team to the next level.
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Max was right the whole time. MY MAN
He’s crazy right now
Kyrie wants to follow Lebron where ever he goes lol
Chef Curry L shut up
Marcus Herd truth hurts butthurt bandwagon
Marcus Herd Kyrie is not talented enough to lead a team
kyrie is a good finisher but can't play team ball for shit lmao
Nothing wrong with that...
SAS claims to be the superior when it comes to basketball yet Max wins debate after debate.
Remarkable SeiF most of the time they have to disagree cuz of views and to make in interesting sooooooo that's what they are doing most of the time tv all bout rating
J.R Swish they dont "have to disagree" let me explain the way it works.. they have morning meetings with other espn staff members. then ppl throw random takes and subjects out there and stephen a will give a small opinion on the matter and then max as well and once they reach a subject they dont agree on then that subject gets brought up on the show
+Daniel Turbay You know this shit in detail. You got any proof to back you up?
Daniel Turbay like you work there before
RK9ify 13 years working for espn man
Max is right... Kyrie is a momentum player. Once his shot isn't falling, he's virtually useless. He isn't a playmaker, doesn't make guys better, is an average passer. Idk how many times he let Klay hit open 3s trying to gamble on the steal. Upside is he's only 24.
Mama There Go That Man Who is better than kyrie if youre gonna trade him? Players like wall, curry, lillard cant go with lebron. You have to think that kyrie the reason why they won game 7, cavs still reign the east, get some defenders (a center or like a tony allen type of player), and they'd probably have a chance at dubs.
Mama There Go That Man On size alone...Kyrie can't guard Klay Thompson. But Klay can guard Kyrie with no problem. That's because Klay knows that Kyrie is a TERRIBLE defender. He's just not good at it. Kyrie can only guard Curry. He's too short to guard anyone else. The reason he kept letting Klay get open is because he has to chase Klay (and Curry) through so many screens that he's tired as fkk on offense...and starts missing shots. That's just ONE of the ways GSW beats u....they RUN YO ASS TO DEATH. They make u chase them around the court all game long. If u don't have the energy and stamina to keep up....you're done. This is what happened to the Cavs in the finals.
Zachariah-Bin Yisrayl klay can guard kyrie with no problem? watch game 4 you dumbass!!! only time klay stopped kyrie was in game 2 because kyrie had a bad game. does that tell you something???
Mama There Go That Man Kyrie 25
Kyrie is coming up on 26 not that young either
Max and Stephen A was a great duo thanks for the memories
as a bronsexual, I would like to say Kyrie has the best handles and best finish in the league but lacks in benefiting his teammates /:
Alexander Stolz 3-5
Alexander Stolz I think steph does. Kyrie is more predictable but still hard to stop. Steph is less predictable and hard to stop. As far as handles go.
Alexander Stolz 4-1
Alexander Stolz *L bronsexual*
Matt C 4-1
I agree with Max 100% percent here which is rare for me i been saying this about Kyrie he can't be yo best player if Lebron leaves cavs go back to being a lottery team.
305MRCITY
If Kyrie has the same team other than James, they'll be bounced in the 1st round. Definitely not a lottery team.
They will be a 8th seed at best.
305MRCITY
7th or 8th.
exactly mfks so caught up on dumb ass handles can't realize he not really all that
Cooliehigh Marley It's a shame that people are so HYPNOTIZED by Kyrie's handles and scoring...they don't take the time to ask...."BUT CAN HE DEFEND" ??? His height only allows him to guard Curry (he's too short to guard anyone else)...so who can he lock down ? Who has he stopped from scoring ? NOBODY. We saw this in the finals. It's called getting EXPOSED...and Kyrie got exposed on defense. People should put their emotions for Kyrie aside...and just look at FACTS. KYRIE - CAN'T - DEFEND.....ok ? Score....yes. Defend....hell naw.
Aftr 3 seasons ..max is right..
7 months later and a team built around Kyrie is on top of the East...
LOL it just happened
Man you called it.
Lol max is right. He said you can’t build a team around him. They didn’t build around him. They were already good. That’s why they were a game away from the finals without Kyrie.
And people still say he isn't a top 5 player. It blows my mind how he's not even in most people's top 10 or 15.
Flash MeLody but he isn't. Bron curry KD kawhi AD Giannis all Better than him. Kyrie would be in my top 3 if u need a bucket, but overall those 6 guys are head and shoulders above him
just like their is so much to teach Stephen a about sports
Martin Duran just like there is so much to teach you about spelling.
willaim barrett lmfao
willaim barrett W
Martin Duran he just goes on and on talking without any substance. "You don't know basketball" "I cannot believe what you just said" "Are you finished yet"
the only thing that is lacking with Curry is "on ball defense" but that is due to his height disadvantage and skinny body build. other than that, he's good in off ball defense, high bball iq, can rebound (heck he can outrebound cleve's bigs last finals), good handles (tho kyrie is a bit better, a good passer, a good playmaker and a half court threat. been saying this the whole time im glad someone brought out this matter.
KD is at the top of the scoring spectrum
I love how max calling out kyrie>curry few weeks ago and then says this lol
Irving was not the reason the cavs were terrible for those years however, he's the reason Lebron came back
Anjohn Davis If the cavs weren't a lottery team, LeBron wouldn't have come back. He came back cuz they couldn't do without him.
Bernard Brunu no cause Kyrie was a special talent and Lebron knew that
Axel Minani no because they can't win without lebron
every year lebron been there his record is dogshit when lebron doesn't play
Ya Kyrie Irving is more of an individual player rather than team player you can't build around him. he's a type of skilled player you need to build around a very versatile player who can make him reach his full potential. you can't build teams around guys like Irving and melo but you can use them as a weapon on a championship caliber team because they are very skilled and clutch!!!!!
Natural born killer this is the smartest comment here
Natural born loser spot on
well he's leading a team so you're a dumbass
You can build a team around kyrie, what are you talking about? He can lead, he is a great pg. He has a lot of skills as far as scoring, he can be a playmakers, with his handles and ability to stretch the floor because he has a good shot too.
Look at him in Boston, not to mention you already said he is clutch
Yea you're an idiot.
Finally Stephen a smith brings up a great point. You have to utilize your superstars and build around their specific skill sets. Kyrie just like AI is an undersized ISO scorer. AI was able to get to the finals because they build and had guys who were elite defenders like Mutombo. You gotta add defense around kyrie cuz we all know he isn't going to defend but he will guarantee you offensive firepower. Cavs can be élite even without Lebron if they have a strong defensive team with kyrie leading the offense and maybe have one or two shooters in Kyle korver and Jr smith around him. Or even possibly have jimmy butler if he decides to join them.
"If you judge a fish by its ability to climb trees, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." The one thing Max is missing in all of this is that Lebron's style of play demands a certain type of system. The issue is Kyrie has a completely different style of play that does not fit the current system in Cleveland. SAS is 100% correct. Once Philly was able to construct a certain type of system that FIT AI's style of play they were successful. The issue here isn't whether or not either player is a marquee player, but whose style will you choose to cater to. This is the issue with superteams.
I feel like Stephen A. Smith loses every argument against Max Kellerman, especially in boxing.
That's why he wanted max out
How about this?
PG - Lonzo Ball
SG - Kyrie Irving
SF - Paul George
PF - Julius Randle
C - Brook Lopez
LOL so Bron can score 40 in the playoffs and be praised but Kyrie does and still gets disrespected like this
MY LEG but lebron has proven to be a leader since entering the league, he's probably the best at carrying a team.
the only team he carried all the way was the 07 cavs all the other times he had a super team
MY LEG stop it lol. he had carried plenty of times,including those playoffs losses in ECF. Kyrie did nothing. none. lebron also carried the heat team in his last season and his first season back with the cavs
D wade averaged 19 Bosh averaged 16 in Brons last year in Miami in his 1st year in Cleveland Kyrie 21 K love 16 don't tell me he was alone and don't tell me they weren't super teams EDIT; and JR averaged 12
Max also said Brady would fall off a cliff this year
Brady - league MVP and AFC champion
What's funny is Stephen a Smith didn't disapprove Max Kellerman's point in fact he proved his point soundly by making it clear that Kyrie Irving needs particular types of players around him in order to be successful same as Allen Iverson
1 month later Kyrie wants his own team. Max called this out first.
Max is on point. He is a great scorer, great rim finisher, best handles in the game. No one is knocking on that. But in terms of facilitating, elevating your teammates, he is simply ok. He is not a 'Floor General'. Guys like Curry, Lebron, Harden, Westbrook, and Chris Paul etc...have this trait. It comes natural to them.
Weren't most of y'all saying kyrie was the best pg in the NBA last year after 3 games in the NBA finals? 😂 dame>kyrie
Dirk Kobe no they said he was the best scorer dumbass
SmokeOnThis lmao nah they said he was the best pg even ahead of curry because of that shot he hit and because he balled for 3 games in the finals 😂 fans these days get caught up in the moment too quickly just like how a lot of "fans" are saying Durant is better than bron because of these finals
Dirk Kobe Well Steph took back the title of best PG in the league after the 2017 Finals, and KD took the title of best player in the league.
Marckus Haywood Never
Marckus Haywood lol 1 ring on a stacked team and now he's the best? Anyone can look on a good team 😂
Max is 100% correct. Everything he said was completly true. Outside of LeBron and Rodgers the dude is very objective.
wb now ?
Huh???
Even max said he was wrong
Max and SAS are both right, max was right in his analysis of Kyrie as a player, and Stephen A was correct in saying you have to build a team that suits his play style.
Max is 100% right. What Stephen A is missing is that in today's NBA, you could no longer get away with having a team with the skills/talent of Iverson's supporting cast if your franchise player's skillset is just like AI/Kyrie's. Today's defensive schemes are more complex and are better designed to stop iso players like Kyrie/Iverson, so Kyrie needs good offensive players to complement him, at the very least good shooters. Even Westbrook who does more things well overall than Kyrie has a better supporting cast than AI, and look where his team ended. Put Kyrie on that OKC team instead of Westbrook and OKC will definitely finish significantly worse.
good thing they have max on this show because he's the only one with sense
Max's analysis of Kyries game was spot on, but it doesn't mean you can't build a team around him. Get him some defensive players and a wing that can move without the ball and see what happens. You'll have the AI 76ers which is what Stephen A eluded to. I agree with both of them.
Thanks for saying this Max, now Kyrie's gonna work 2x as hard.
SAS trashed Max but agreeing with Max's analysis? SAS is full of confidence.
Bruh max has been so smart recently lol once he gets out of the giants fan mindset, he is very smart...
Max Kellerman is WROOOOOOOOOOONG!!!
THE DRAMA BETWEEN A POINT GUARD AND A SMALL FORWARD CONTINUES.....😭😂
5:56 who else forgot Molly was in the video 😂😂😂
Like lots of elite players, their value is optimized by having the right ball players around them. That doesn't make Kyrie lacking any value. There aren't many Jordans, LeBrons, etc.
If kyrie played as a shooting guard, he'd be the best in the league but as a point guard he doesn't get his teammates involved. He goes iso on every play. So I agree with max on this one
it was just last year when espn was debating who to pick to start a team, curry or irving.
I didn't even continue to watch the rest of this once Stephen. A opened his mouth... Max Kellerman is 100% right!
Curry>Irving
duh
nope
Jesse l Kyrie Irving isn't scared to go to the basket
Reed Jenkins curry been going to the basket all season. don't forget he turned LeBron into a slushy
Happy Humble Dubs Fan curry is a way better all around player while all Irving can do is do his fancy layups I don't see Irving with a back to back mvp
Max is absolutely right. Irving doesn't make anyone around him better, he doesn't play even decent defense, he is just a player that has serious flaws in his game and that means he is not a player you build your team around.
WHERE TF IS MINE MOLLLLLYYY
Who cares
Smartest thing max has ever said
I was saying the same stuff about Kyrie for a long time.How he is not a team leader, nor a good point guard...But I thought about it, he plays with Lebron James, who is a floor general, and yet he still gets his 4.5 assists a night.I believe in Kyrie... he has convinced me that he is a very intelligent player and guy, so I believe he could figure it out if the need ever arose...his finishing and ball handling are out of this world...
Kyrie is a onesided player no defense
Sorry Steven A. Max got you here, Kyrie nice with the handles, but no NBA point guard has any business having 0 assist games after playing more than 30 minutes. That dude can't do shit but score. He is worthless without the ball in his hand.
The point of the game is to score
It is true. He's just not ready yet. I am very certain he will develop a leadership personality. He knows it as well, hints why he doesn't want to play on a team without a team leader (Lebron)
Damn she hotter than molly!
he's right tho irving never helped his team to make the playoffs not even once without LBJ weak !
Titi De he only played 3 year without lebron and was like 2 wins from making the playoffs lebron didn't even make the playoffs his first 3 years
yep twice 1st overall picks and 3rd and still failed lol only with LBJ he made playoffs still weak af
nice exuces idiot Lillard Did in his 2nd year moron and he did even without LMA again irving is a loser fact suck his d,.. more but thats the truth in east at the time before LBJ joined cavs teams in east could be a lottery team and still make the playoffs thats how weak east was but for irving was something impossible to do cause he's trash
lol how many times did irving made the playoffs without LBJ again Zero times yep Zero times so yeah thats how good i mean overrated and usless your irving is :)
playing in a trash east and couldnt even help his team make playoffs once in his life and you think he's better than lillard ? lmao lillard helped his team make playoffs always in -> WEST and he abused cavs always they even had hard time beating lillard even with LBJ so you don't know what you are talking about true !
You can't do it because he is the team himself.
Kyrie Irving is a ninja.
Max is 100% right. As a score first iso 6'2 guard the kind of impact as a POINT guard is limited. Granted he is great but you aren't going to build around him, you use him to build around a team, Stephen A sees that as if it's a disrespect for some reason.
The problem about Kyrie is that he just doesnt move the ball nearly enough as I feel like he should as a PG - he's a scorer. He also doesn't play D. Kyrie is a SG in a PG body.
other guy: bring up goood points and solid facts
Stephen a: are u done....... I don't know how to talk to u
wow its been a while where the debate wasnt interrupted by the moderator.
SAS brings up Allen Iverson when trying to go against the "he can't be the best player on a championship team" argument...didn't Allen iverson kind of prove that point?
max is on point in this one. kyrie will learn the hard way.
Correction: Kevin Durant said that he thought Kyrie might have better handles not that he was a better player.
I usually agree with Stephen but max won this debate as much as a Knicks fan and as much as I love Carmelo you can't build a team around him the same with Irving.
ppl said the same thing bout Kobe after shaq left and he won two rings without him
if Kyrie played the 2, and the Cavs got a good point guard that can make plays, man that'd be a team to fear.
I'm on Max's side. Kyrie is a cerebral assassin on offense, but he does little to improve his teammates. In today's game, you can't build around him by signing defensive stoppers and let Kyrie do his thing with the ball. He's a deadly glass cannon, if that even makes sense.
max is right. If Kyrie was legit, LeBron could sit during the finals to rest and Kyrie should have kept the Cavs a float. When KD was with Russ, both were able to keep the ship afloat when the other sat. Kyrie can't even keep the ship afloat when LeBron sits.
They definitely should trade him, but it doesn't matter where he WANTS to go. If I were the cavs management, I would trade for Goran Dragic and Hasaan Whiteside, or Devin Booker and Marquese Criss.
6 years later, Stephen A will echo Max's sentiments now.
to be fair celtics didnt build around him , its more like he is a piece of this system that they are building , without him certainly celtics wont be as good but the team definitely does not build around kyrie
So Stephen Jackson agrees with max yet he still wants to argue lmao the thing I like more about skip and Shannon is the chemistry, these 2 have none
now every teams want a super team to beat GSW!
Honestly though if the Sixers DID get a second sharpshooter with AI they would have won the title that year
You Cav fans are confusing. You guys say Kyrie is a top point guard in the league but when y'all lose to the Warriors then you guys say "Lebron didn't have help!". How can you say that when his help is a "top" point guard in the league? Y'all just contradict yourselves
This is what seperates Curry from Kyrie. You can build a team around curry being the best player on the team. Curry will make everyone on the team better, unlike Kyrie.
How bout now
SAS said Irving doesn't compare to Iverson, and then goes on to exalt an Iverson led team that never won more than a game in the finals. If Kyrie is a lesser version of AI no way in hell he can come close.
look at him now
max is spot on
why are so called experts, analysts and bball fanatics thinks that bball is about single players? it's a "TEAM GAME" 4 christ's sake
You can't build a team around Steph Curry as Mark Jackson proved.
You can't build a team around Kevin Durant as OKC proved.
You can't build a team around LeBron when he's getting beat by Dwight Howard and the Orlando Magic.
This is a different league now, it's all about super teams.
Kyrie just needs his own super team and LeBron will be losing to him within one year.
Kyrie plays like we all do on career mode in 2k. Just dribble through everyone and score. The only problem is that iso ball is dying and is inefficient most of the time. It's only ever something you'd want in clutch situations, but if the rest of the teammates get cold and they end up double teaming you, the games never gonna be close enough to go to the clutch lol
He is not a threat on his own. He scores 40 everyone else scores 5
Kyrie Irving Hair Line has more of a lineup then LBJ in his entire career
Exactly that is the Problem Max Kellerman. Kyrie wants to accomplish things WITHOUT LeBron. That's why he wants to leave
Stephen A actually made a great point
Well i guess someone has to argue the other side or there is no show but, I completely agree with Max. As previously stated, Kyrie is a phenomenal scoring talent, if you look past that, which i understand is difficult to do, he is a below average NBA player. Another point to consider. The way he has developed his finishing ability, has come at the cost of easier shots for his teammates.
If you are putting up a shot and you are drawing more than one defender, that automatically makes the shot you are about to take the worse shot, because one of your teammates is open. You can call it incredible scoring ability, or you can call it, being good at taking bad shots, either way I believe Kyrie would be best suited as a 6th man and not a franchise cornerstone. Make him into a quarter closer. Someone you bring in when the game is on the line. A game icer. Just makes sense to utilize his ability when it is best suited to be used.
I can't say that Kyrie could be the cornerstone of a franchise because I just can't believe it until he becomes a more well rounded player. I have a lot of respect for Kyrie but the way he plays is quite selfish and I just don't think it's conducive to good basketball.
they both have good points it was a tie this debate
People who thinks boston lost this. Its Lebron who is riding on kyrie's back every post season
Kyrie is great but Max's got a point he doesn't elevate his teammates
If I was to pick a PG that can properly lead a team, I would go with John Wall.
After watching this, I'm convinced Stephen A smith does not know anything about basketball.
How about the Cavs take another shot at the champs with their current squad?
Max was right. We know it.
I felt Stephen A didn't believe in what he was saying at all he just had to disagree for sake of his job.
100% agree with Max on Kyrie
You can't build a team around Kyrie, but you can build a team around mah boys!!!
You can build maw boyz with yo wife...but she sick. Oops too soon??
Lavar Ball stfu
justhateme israel Wtf is wrong with you
Who The Hell is this Nigga?!?!
Lavar Ball 😂
Max is right. Kyrie's mentality as a player is the problem. He's a very talented individual player, a sub-par team-player, mediocre defender and an unwilling play-maker despite being a "point guard". You can't build a franchise around a player like that.
A.J. Bastien
That could work. But NBA is evolving to a new a era where players need to do both offense AND defense and not just "oh this is you role ill do mine". Thats good but if you're gonna comepete with gsw you gotta hit all the points. Just look at Klay T. Or Giannis. I mean hell the Finals it was "easy" to guard Kyrie since when he gets the ball you know he'll only do a drive or a jumper and fuckin not pass. not mention thr Cavs center... I mean fuck they might as well trade Tristan for Curry for Center lmao...
Agreed, not as first option atleast.
IslandSon242 one hundred percent agree
IslandSon242 nope i disagree. He would be great in a houston rockets system. Cavaliers shooters were garbage in every loss in the finals. He deserves a lot more respect than this.
Lmao what a dumbass
3-1 against the bucks 7/22 then 8/22 holy shit max called it
tbh kyrie was right saying LBJ was gonna opt out tho lmao
Max Kellerman is spot on
Kyrie is trash.
Japz Voltz he's gucci
@lancenciel117 , bruh we all know that, but we're talking bout how he needs to improve. We know he's an elite scorer, but that won't be enough to lead a team lol. He must not keep the same mentality as he gets older. Getting your teammates involved is the key to make them more engaging and be better as a team. Like Max said, "OTHER GUYS SIT AROUND AND GET COLD, THEY WATCH HIM SCORE" , XD
Kyrie has the potential, but he cannot lead a team in his current state. He flat out lost the cavs game 3 at home with retarded decision making.
Gregory Bryant u wouldn't say that if he made it
That's the smartest thing Kellerman's ever said
Where the hell have you been? Max has been schoolin' Stephen A. lately.
You sound dumb kyrie already a champion put some respect on his name u sus ass golden state fan!!
Lol I'm a trailblazers fan haha good try though
Kyrie is a champ because of Lebron, he will never have the skills lebron has. I hope they f****g get rid of him. All he thinks about is showing up his moves, while making his teammates cold watching him.
Japz Voltz you sound dumb af WTF you think LeBron did in Miami
Stephen A might lowkey be intimidated by Max lmao that's why he's always yelling at him and trying to paint this picture of Max being ignorant to the game of basketball when Max might actually be more knowledgeable
Stephen A just talks louder. Doesn't really make better points. So all the idiots that believe loud words side with him.
Max is right, Kyrie is a scoring machine but doesn't pass, assist or make his teammates better, he's a point guard but plays like a shooting guard. And he doesn't play defense, ISO player with no defense, can only score
Jeffrey Pride A poor man's Kobe
Kobe could defend
he plays defense but he is just not good at it
Jeffrey Pride how do you expect him to create for his teammates when that's lebrons job that's why they work good together
Trending Topic HENCE THE POOR MAN'S PART
5 MONTHS LATER LOL
Jourdan Taylor LMAO max you ready to double down today!!
kyrie matured into one of the most efficient point guards in the league these guys were tripping
A YEAR IN A HALF LATER AND HE PROVED WHAT MAX KELLERMAN SAID! 4-1 SWEEP BY THE BUCKS!
illusive_nezzy88 EXACTLY
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He absolutely right, max is on point
Max is absolutely rt...
dam right MAX
ChantonsLamour nah the only argument SAS has is "well you didn't build this team around him."
You can build around most star players and at least get to the playoffs (Especially in the east).
Kyrie isn't one that can take you to the finals.
Lol