How Many Plug Ins do you use on your vocal mix? Could these single Plugins, Voca by Sonnox and the Silk Vocal by Waves replace the huge amount plug ins in an ever growing vocal we see in many mix sessions? Get Waves Silk Plug In: waves.alzt.net/Or0Z1r Get the Sonnox Voca Plug In Here: sweetwater.sjv.io/1rBkGx
I find each vocal calls for different plugs, sometimes i may use several on a particular song and yet on another song, same vocalist, just 1 or 2. I like the Xvox a lot, I think it's actually one that i can say works better than all the one stop shops out there. Very well put together, but even at that, does not work on everything 😄
What I admire most about audio engineers is their ability to listen to the same three beats over and over, without scratching their faces off. By the 12th "If he wanted to he would ..." I couldn't hear anything over the voice in my head screaming "Make it stop!" 😄
I used the silk yesterday on my vocals, and you really named it! The vocal sounds “processed” that’s a really good description. Thanx for this great video and the possibility, to see how you work with this tools!
For me the ultimate game changer plugin was The Scheps Omni-Channel by Waves, I use it on most channels and busses and it's an extremely practical AND musical plugin, I love everything it does + it's got the most natural sounding de-esser I've ever encountered, nothing too surgical, nothing too artificial + awesome Dual Mono and M-S processing. I've even used it for mastering and man, it's fantastic, very powerful, yet musical, it's my desert island plugin. Plugins like Voca or other "one-knob" style ones are cool for rough mixes or amateur use, but they don't make you learn, which is more half the fun if you're serious about mixing.
I found Silk surprisingly versatile, fun and easy to dial in. Waves marketing makes it clear it is designed for modern vocals, but found it useful in a lot of scenarios, even on instruments. Works great when combined with an opto. Haven't tried Voca but I'm not convinced it can come close to replacing a trusty opto/tube/vca combo.
I’ve had Voca for a few months and I’ve used it a few times. Like you said, it’s a good tool to have in your toolbox. Now I’m interested in Silk too… Thanks for the great video!
Your original sounded better on both but I understand it’s another tool. I really would like to see a vocal processing tutorial on your approach to the dynamic rangy male vocal types like a steve Perry, a steve Walsh, Freddy mercury, Tommy Shaw etc. we rarely see those powerful male vocalists styles where dynamics are all over the place featured on processing tutorials! My wish list!
My goodness, her vocals with no plugins sound great. BTW, I've really dived deep into Silk since December and I love it. It takes some getting used to but overall it's a pretty good plugin. I'm going to check out Voca. Thanks for the video Joe. Always appreciate you sharing your findings.
Agreed. Who knows, the prototype could've been Studio Rack with three parallel instances of L3-16, R-vox at the end of the chain and some scripting to sync the crossover points in Studio Rack with the bands in L316. 🤔
I would love to see what you do with the Scheps Omni channel. Specially since Waves have added the ability to add any plug in to the channel. It has become for me the same as the SSL channel strip is for you. I just like the ability to add any flavor on my channels.
I think the original mix was best. It has all the air and presence without sacrificing body, and still felt up front. I could see using the sonnox as a phenomenal test tool for quickly finding the right balance for running my analog LA2A into my 1176; and maybe a few other use cases in the actual mix (could be really cool on guitars)
Awesome video and explanation as always! I recently purchased XVOX Pro by Nuro Audio, it’s great and I love it so far. I would be interested in knowing how it would compare to these two. Thank you!! 🙌
Hi Joe ! So "funny" this video came today, yesterday i was just telling to myself that my Vox Bus were too crowded of plugins. And i did actually found a solution: Magic Flow from Acustica Audio.... I would love to hear your thoughts about it !
Cool video. For Silk, there is a Mix control on the bottom right. I think you had it at 100%, pulling it back a bit might make it sound less, "over the top". I have it and like to use it as my starting point, just as you suggested.
Silk is great. No - it's not the only plugin I use for vocals - I'll usually engage some sends for FX and maybe some parallel saturation/compression/reverb/whatever. But it does an excellent job of taking fairly raw vocals and making them sound a bit more professional and polished. Try the "RAW to Pro" presets as a starting point!
Love this Video Joe. For my ears i would prefer the original mix, more polish and natural that the other. But also agree about that this tool depends on what source/style you be working .
Pro tools tip : Select both tracks you want to toggle between. Mute one of them, then select them both. Then (depending on your keyboard) : "Shift" + "," or "Shift" + "M" will switch the mute to the other track. Which provides a smooth toggle between both tracks, and it's easier to do too ;). P.S. : These new Waves plugins are pretty smart. As it seems to be multiple Waves plugins packed into one (Waves used to do that quite a bit, recycling algo on multiple plugins). So using Silk would be a bit like using a Studiorack Waves plugins chained, but stripped down to the essential and with a more user friendly GUI. That's how it feels to me at least.
Managed to get silk vocal free and the little i've used it i've noticed you have be very delicate with just how much you add/remove as it sometimes seems aggressive. I've tried using it for a softer smokey 'jazz' type vocal and have had some success so far but it's a work in progress so I'll maybe let you know how it turns out!... Any tips for alternate processing for that type of vocal? (It's a bass male vocal: fundamental seems to be around 80Hz in places!).Thanks for the tips, walkthroughs, advice, loving the videos!
Hi, I think you could have done a section of this, just playing the audio solo, so that we hear the effects clean. This here had me having to try separating the music from the vocal to hear . A bit tedious...
This is one of those you can't win situations haha. A huge complaint I hear is that we 'shouldn't ever solo' as it doesn't tell you how it sounds in the track! And if we ever solo it it creates confirmation bias!
@@Producelikeapro I hear you, just a little taste of the clean vocals helps one hear the plugins. Thanks for the response though, greatly appreciated...
I’ve been using a multiband compressor or eq on every vocal as one of the first inserts for years. I like smoothing out the tone early. Then I’ve been going into the Kirchhoff (I think it’s called) EQ from plugging alliance. It’s a lot like fab filter, but you can assign analog flavors to that top band. That is mostly just for getting rid of low mid buildup or any hipass filtering that needs done. For a really great character equalizer I have been using acustica ruby. DW Fearn copy. It’s amazing!! Then the acustica el Rey is a solid Joyce for compression because it still very alive, sounding and natural sounding
I’m not sure. I do have that fab filter piece but I haven’t tried it. I have stuck with the SSL and McDSP. But that doesn’t mean anything other than it’s very difficult to find time to demo all the stuff! 😂😂
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell That’s fair. The SSL is on discount right now which is why I was inquiring on it. So far the Fab one works well for me. I sometimes use DE555 as well, but not as often. You mentioned having a versatile toolbox for the various genres, and I noticed that you had SSL on several tracks. This led me to question what the SSL DeEsser could bring to the table.
THX for showing the 2 in the mix. I personally prefer to use specialized tols for each purpose. E.g. a decent compressor for a certain voice ..and of course I like to experiment with diferent comps within my mixing process. Sometime you come up with great results when using different tools. So I find these two PlugIns may produce good results but stop you from beeing creative and shaping sound as you like. It is limiting you. I guess ;-) P.S. I think the original was the best version (and certainly you put the most time in it when dialing in the numerous plugins in the first place).
Both mixes sound lispy to me because of the de-essers, but I think your original chain sounds much better. Good points at the end though. Of the two, Silk sounds better to me. Neither is compelling enough for me to swap yet.
12:42 your original sounds better. I know it's only a presentation, but just saying. Plus, which saturation plugin dropped the ball? 😂 Please tell us, maybe that will help
It was crane song Phoenix. I loved that thing for years. I do have a working beta for the M1 machines, but the old instances will not recall. I’m hoping that gets cleared up before the final because that’s kind of a big deal. 😂
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell aha, Phoenix. I guess "big deal" is an understatement. I would have thought such a pricey plugin would have been updated ages ago 🤔
@@Mr_Kri the founder passed away last year unfortunately. Really nice man. I’m not sure who is picking up where he left off but I hope they get it right.
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell Oh I see, I'm sorry to hear about the founder. Although my mentors never really used it, I always saw people using it and raving about it, and people raved about the developer in general. Never used it myself. Hopefully it gets taken over by the right people.
the problem with such plugins is, that you don´t really have detailed control....it either works, or not...hit or miss...probably nice for engineers starting out or if you don´t want to spend time time to learn to tweak all possible parameters in a more complex signal chain.
I j kw you want to hear in the context of the track, but please solo the vocals next time so we can hear the effect more obviously. Thanks for the video! 👏🏻
With the Voca, the vocal is still muddy, still needs some eq. Original vocal is way more open, brighter and doesn't have that muddy sound. Nothing beats carefully picking your processors. All in ones never come close. The old Butch Vig vocals gives you way more control and you can get a much more open sound with it. But still individual selected processors is still the way to go. The Waves Silk is much better than the Voca, but it's not a fair comparison. The Waves Silk has eq control and a limiter. Which the Sonnox Voca is lacking. I would like to see you add an eq and limiter with the Voca to have a more fair comparison. Because the Voca is muddy because it's lacking any type of eq control. If I had to use one of these. It would be the Silk for a quick rough demo of pop or R&B. But for a pro mix for clients. A carefully selected vocal chain based on the vocal and genre is the only way to go. This is of course my opinion and I can see the Waves Silk being a great tool for alot of mixers. Great Video!!!🙂👍
Am I the only one who thought none of the options really sounded that great? Including the original? She definitely is a great singer though, I’m not quite sure why he thought the voca sounded good at all, there was something cool happening from the silk though when he used the mid band, but still not going to rush to buy it. Izotope Neutron is pretty cool for a vocal for an automatic quick mix tool if you want to try something, sometimes the exciter makes things a bit too harsh though, but it can easily be tamed with a mix level or be completely turned off.
Great stuff Joe! Love demos where they are setup so you can really hear the real world differences you are hearing too and seeing how you work. Now fire up your Locomotive 14b’s there and compare those against et al ! ;-) #hybridbaby ps - I am gonna add Voca to my arsenal so +1 Sonnox sale!
The Voca is Snake Oil For the person who needs to have a sound effect but it doesn't do the surgical job that makes you want to move on,- IMHO. Silk has a bit more to offer but still no magic.
I respectfully disagree. I quite liked it myself. That’s why we put these videos out there…what may not be right for you is exactly what another one of our friends is looking for! Thank you for watching.
Yea rightttt Sonnox, essentially legends in this game, building from legendary code and algorithms under the hood/and know how, trying to cash grab us all, and attempt to constantly defy this TH-cam value system of getting called out as “snake oil or not” by troll reviewers and commenters who just want to get clicks and attention, RIGHT SURE. Joe is all class, even acknowledging you. And Sonnox +1 for a Voca sale just to spite the above comment. And +1 to Produce Like a Pro for product type compares vs. pure branded promos of single products. Good job guys!
Well in fairness they all try to make a profit or they are out of business. Haha. I must say I have had absolute awesome experiences with the people at Waves every time I had a technical problem or question. Very thorough and responsive to getting me back to work. I greatly prefer to be friends with ALL of them 😂😂 Best wishes and thank you for watching!
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell Ha! But you're Joe Carrell, so Waves knows you, and they'll look after you. It's the little people Waves will rip off, with the Waves Update Plan, while not adequately letting them know it's a subscription. So many people have their plugins effectively rendered inoperable after an OS update because of WUP. Other plugin companies don't do this sort of thing. Thanks Joe, for all your fantastic contributions that offer valuable knowledge to people learning this craft. Best wishes.
How Many Plug Ins do you use on your vocal mix? Could these single Plugins, Voca by Sonnox and the Silk Vocal by Waves replace the huge amount plug ins in an ever growing vocal we see in many mix sessions?
Get Waves Silk Plug In: waves.alzt.net/Or0Z1r
Get the Sonnox Voca Plug In Here: sweetwater.sjv.io/1rBkGx
I really like Silk. But just for the tone shaping. I still use my own choice of compressors etc.
I find each vocal calls for different plugs, sometimes i may use several on a particular song and yet on another song, same vocalist, just 1 or 2. I like the Xvox a lot, I think it's actually one that i can say works better than all the one stop shops out there. Very well put together, but even at that, does not work on everything 😄
Thanks ever so ,much for sharing!@@NoQualmsTheArtist
Marvellous!@@KDL064 Thanls for sharing your process with us, it really helps!
This is America. The more, the better! 🤡
Cubase 13 introduced a stock plugin dedicated as a complete vocal chain with multi stages, very impressive for built in
Marvellous! Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Gorgeous color grading on this video. Beyond vivid.
Agreed 100%!
Joe - you picked a singer that is too good! No matter what you do to her voice it sounds great!
Haha. Thats a fact. One of my favorite artists I work with
What I admire most about audio engineers is their ability to listen to the same three beats over and over, without scratching their faces off. By the 12th "If he wanted to he would ..." I couldn't hear anything over the voice in my head screaming "Make it stop!" 😄
Haha. Part of the job for sure
I used the silk yesterday on my vocals, and you really named it! The vocal sounds “processed” that’s a really good description. Thanx for this great video and the possibility, to see how you work with this tools!
Thank you for watching!
For me the ultimate game changer plugin was The Scheps Omni-Channel by Waves, I use it on most channels and busses and it's an extremely practical AND musical plugin, I love everything it does + it's got the most natural sounding de-esser I've ever encountered, nothing too surgical, nothing too artificial + awesome Dual Mono and M-S processing.
I've even used it for mastering and man, it's fantastic, very powerful, yet musical, it's my desert island plugin.
Plugins like Voca or other "one-knob" style ones are cool for rough mixes or amateur use, but they don't make you learn, which is more half the fun if you're serious about mixing.
Well said, especially your point about one knob plugins not allowing one to learn.
Thanks for watching!
Agree, but my to-go de-esser now is Sibiliance from waves. :)
I found Silk surprisingly versatile, fun and easy to dial in. Waves marketing makes it clear it is designed for modern vocals, but found it useful in a lot of scenarios, even on instruments. Works great when combined with an opto. Haven't tried Voca but I'm not convinced it can come close to replacing a trusty opto/tube/vca combo.
Thanks ever so much for sharing
Thank you for watching!
I’ve had Voca for a few months and I’ve used it a few times. Like you said, it’s a good tool to have in your toolbox. Now I’m interested in Silk too…
Thanks for the great video!
Thank you Tim 👊🏼
Your original sounded better on both but I understand it’s another tool. I really would like to see a vocal processing tutorial on your approach to the dynamic rangy male vocal types like a steve Perry, a steve Walsh, Freddy mercury, Tommy Shaw etc. we rarely see those powerful male vocalists styles where dynamics are all over the place featured on processing tutorials! My wish list!
My goodness, her vocals with no plugins sound great. BTW, I've really dived deep into Silk since December and I love it. It takes some getting used to but overall it's a pretty good plugin. I'm going to check out Voca. Thanks for the video Joe. Always appreciate you sharing your findings.
That’s my friend Mackenzie Johnson. Soooo good. Thank you for watching!
I've been playing with Silk for a few weeks and it's good to know you are describing exactly what I was thinking about it, would be great on Pop.
Silk seems to aim to do something like soothe copuled with R-vox.
It does doesn’t it? Which is a very solid idea
Agreed. Who knows, the prototype could've been Studio Rack with three parallel instances of L3-16, R-vox at the end of the chain and some scripting to sync the crossover points in Studio Rack with the bands in L316. 🤔
I would love to see what you do with the Scheps Omni channel. Specially since Waves have added the ability to add any plug in to the channel. It has become for me the same as the SSL channel strip is for you. I just like the ability to add any flavor on my channels.
Very cool. Thanks for watching
Can you try the Harrison 32C Vocal Processing Plugin?
I would love to for sure
I think the original mix was best. It has all the air and presence without sacrificing body, and still felt up front.
I could see using the sonnox as a phenomenal test tool for quickly finding the right balance for running my analog LA2A into my 1176; and maybe a few other use cases in the actual mix (could be really cool on guitars)
Thank you for watching 🎉
Always a pleasure watching you work Joe. Those plugins sound the bomb. Thanks for the review and a big thanks to the PLAP team
Thanks Joey! You Rock!
Thank you Joey!
Not sure which is the “better plugin” but to my ears Waves achieved a better result for this particular track. Thanks for the demo. 🙏
Thank you for watching!
I Actually got the silk plug for free! when it first came out. Very handy plug used sparingly. Great comparison demo. Cheers Joe!
Thank you Chris
Thanks Chris! You Rock!
You Rock Joe!
She has excellent technique ,which is huge ,as well as a great voice
Yes she sure does
i do both ways, but tend to run a chain of 6-10 plugins because each plugin does its own own thing
@produceLikeAPro thanks for this this answers my question 'can you show me an audio chain" question from the other day thanks
Thank you for watching!!
@InTheMixJoeCarrell you guys are great 👍 please feel free to tag me in vid drops I'm becoming a big fan and supporter of this channel
Awesome video and explanation as always! I recently purchased XVOX Pro by Nuro Audio, it’s great and I love it so far. I would be interested in knowing how it would compare to these two. Thank you!! 🙌
Had not heard of that one. Thank you for the heads up
Hi Joe ! So "funny" this video came today, yesterday i was just telling to myself that my Vox Bus were too crowded of plugins. And i did actually found a solution: Magic Flow from Acustica Audio.... I would love to hear your thoughts about it !
I haven’t heard of that one. I’ll have to look it up. Thank you for watching 👊🏼
Marvellous!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
Marvellous question!
Cool video. For Silk, there is a Mix control on the bottom right. I think you had it at 100%, pulling it back a bit might make it sound less, "over the top". I have it and like to use it as my starting point, just as you suggested.
I did “play” with that a little. Both are very fun and very interesting
metallic is the word l was looking for when l used Silk. Maybe good for some frequencies, l used it on some parts of acoustic guitar too
Silk is great. No - it's not the only plugin I use for vocals - I'll usually engage some sends for FX and maybe some parallel saturation/compression/reverb/whatever. But it does an excellent job of taking fairly raw vocals and making them sound a bit more professional and polished. Try the "RAW to Pro" presets as a starting point!
Thank you for watching Tim
Love this Video Joe. For my ears i would prefer the original mix, more polish and natural that the other. But also agree about that this tool depends on what source/style you be working .
Thank you for watching !
Yes, the right tools for the right job!
Thanks Joe!
I liked the Voca better. All it needed was a reverb/delay to sound even better in the mix. Thanks, Joe!
Thanks ever so much for sharing
Thank you for watching ✌🏼
I believe Joe could mix a hit record using just stock plugins. Thanks so much.
Thank you for watching!
Haha very true indeed!
Thanks Joe!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
Catchy song..I hope it will be released
It’s out there! Mackenzie Johnson “he would”. Thank you for watching
Pro tools tip : Select both tracks you want to toggle between. Mute one of them, then select them both.
Then (depending on your keyboard) : "Shift" + "," or "Shift" + "M" will switch the mute to the other track.
Which provides a smooth toggle between both tracks, and it's easier to do too ;).
P.S. : These new Waves plugins are pretty smart. As it seems to be multiple Waves plugins packed into one (Waves used to do that quite a bit, recycling algo on multiple plugins). So using Silk would be a bit like using a Studiorack Waves plugins chained, but stripped down to the essential and with a more user friendly GUI.
That's how it feels to me at least.
Not sure why I did not use the control surface that was sitting right in front of me 😂
Haha that’s even better!
Stage fright maybe 😂🙌🏼. Amazing video btw! It was cool to hear the side by side comparison!
you can also bypass all sends in one click by CTRL-clicking the first send!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
The singer’s voice indeed is butter. 🔥
🔥🔥
Managed to get silk vocal free and the little i've used it i've noticed you have be very delicate with just how much you add/remove as it sometimes seems aggressive. I've tried using it for a softer smokey 'jazz' type vocal and have had some success so far but it's a work in progress so I'll maybe let you know how it turns out!...
Any tips for alternate processing for that type of vocal? (It's a bass male vocal: fundamental seems to be around 80Hz in places!).Thanks for the tips, walkthroughs, advice, loving the videos!
I’ve been using acustica Ruby eq and El Ray compressor a lot on classy jazz stuff where the vocal is recorded well.
I liked the silk better. I have it and use it.
Your original sounds best. More color and present to my ears.
Thank you for watching!
Cool video. 🤘I would never replace with these 2 plugins!
Her vocal style and song remind me of an older song, "Crush!"
What do you guys think of Izotope Nectar 4? I love it on my vocals
I haven't compared it to either ion these two so I can't honestly answer that
I haven’t used that one personally. IZotope makes some killer tools though. Thank you for watching 🎉
Hi, I think you could have done a section of this, just playing the audio solo, so that we hear the effects clean. This here had me having to try separating the music from the vocal to hear . A bit tedious...
This is one of those you can't win situations haha. A huge complaint I hear is that we 'shouldn't ever solo' as it doesn't tell you how it sounds in the track! And if we ever solo it it creates confirmation bias!
@@Producelikeapro I hear you, just a little taste of the clean vocals helps one hear the plugins. Thanks for the response though, greatly appreciated...
You're very welcome@@KDL064
What would you use for a Jazz vocal?
I’ve been using a multiband compressor or eq on every vocal as one of the first inserts for years. I like smoothing out the tone early. Then I’ve been going into the Kirchhoff (I think it’s called) EQ from plugging alliance. It’s a lot like fab filter, but you can assign analog flavors to that top band. That is mostly just for getting rid of low mid buildup or any hipass filtering that needs done. For a really great character equalizer I have been using acustica ruby. DW Fearn copy. It’s amazing!! Then the acustica el Rey is a solid Joyce for compression because it still very alive, sounding and natural sounding
I am not a Fan of Waves plugins but Silk is really great. I have it since it came out.
Thank you for watching!
If I have the Pro-DS, is the SSL DeEss still a better option for tracks like this?
I’m not sure. I do have that fab filter piece but I haven’t tried it. I have stuck with the SSL and McDSP. But that doesn’t mean anything other than it’s very difficult to find time to demo all the stuff! 😂😂
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell That’s fair. The SSL is on discount right now which is why I was inquiring on it. So far the Fab one works well for me. I sometimes use DE555 as well, but not as often.
You mentioned having a versatile toolbox for the various genres, and I noticed that you had SSL on several tracks. This led me to question what the SSL DeEsser could bring to the table.
I quite enjoy Voca, but Izotope Nectar for the win and more control within a single plug
I have that and haven’t even tried it yet. Need to find some time to demo it.
To be fair that vocal Raw sounded already really great! Allot of time we deal with vocals recorded poorly.
She’s one of my faves. Mackenzie Johnson🎉🎉
For the first one I like the original mix, there’s more body and the breathes are not as amplified. Just sounds way cleaner in my opinion
No other videos !! - my eyes and ears glued to Joe’s recommendations ……
Thank you so much Andre!
Hahah Joe is THE best!
You Rock!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
and you can use these to do 3 things instead of 8 and it's still good!
Loved the video thanks guys!
Thanks ever so much!
THX for showing the 2 in the mix. I personally prefer to use specialized tols for each purpose. E.g. a decent compressor for a certain voice ..and of course I like to experiment with diferent comps within my mixing process. Sometime you come up with great results when using different tools. So I find these two PlugIns may produce good results but stop you from beeing creative and shaping sound as you like. It is limiting you. I guess ;-)
P.S. I think the original was the best version (and certainly you put the most time in it when dialing in the numerous plugins in the first place).
Thank you for watching!
Both mixes sound lispy to me because of the de-essers, but I think your original chain sounds much better. Good points at the end though. Of the two, Silk sounds better to me. Neither is compelling enough for me to swap yet.
the original mix has just more groove and mojo, but voca and silk vocal seem to be pretty cool tools though, maybe as part of a chain...
man how I'd wish they'd make Crane Song Phoenix silicon native!
It’s in the works!!!
12:42 your original sounds better. I know it's only a presentation, but just saying. Plus, which saturation plugin dropped the ball? 😂 Please tell us, maybe that will help
It's the Crane Song Phoenix II. It's a Pro Tools exclusive third party plugin.
It was crane song Phoenix. I loved that thing for years. I do have a working beta for the M1 machines, but the old instances will not recall. I’m hoping that gets cleared up before the final because that’s kind of a big deal. 😂
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell aha, Phoenix. I guess "big deal" is an understatement. I would have thought such a pricey plugin would have been updated ages ago 🤔
@@Mr_Kri the founder passed away last year unfortunately. Really nice man. I’m not sure who is picking up where he left off but I hope they get it right.
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell Oh I see, I'm sorry to hear about the founder. Although my mentors never really used it, I always saw people using it and raving about it, and people raved about the developer in general. Never used it myself. Hopefully it gets taken over by the right people.
the problem with such plugins is, that you don´t really have detailed control....it either works, or not...hit or miss...probably nice for engineers starting out or if you don´t want to spend time time to learn to tweak all possible parameters in a more complex signal chain.
God bless Joe!
Thank you for watching!
YES! God Bless Joseph!
You Rock Joe!
What movie?
I j kw you want to hear in the context of the track, but please solo the vocals next time so we can hear the effect more obviously. Thanks for the video! 👏🏻
FYI the compressor in Silk Vocals is Rvox so really no point using double
Joe Carrell is the man
Thanks for watching Jorge!!
Joe certainly is!!
I still preferred the original to both of these.
With the Voca, the vocal is still muddy, still needs some eq. Original vocal is way more open, brighter and doesn't have that muddy sound. Nothing beats carefully picking your processors. All in ones never come close. The old Butch Vig vocals gives you way more control and you can get a much more open sound with it. But still individual selected processors is still the way to go.
The Waves Silk is much better than the Voca, but it's not a fair comparison. The Waves Silk has eq control and a limiter. Which the Sonnox Voca is lacking. I would like to see you add an eq and limiter with the Voca to have a more fair comparison. Because the Voca is muddy because it's lacking any type of eq control. If I had to use one of these. It would be the Silk for a quick rough demo of pop or R&B. But for a pro mix for clients. A carefully selected vocal chain based on the vocal and genre is the only way to go. This is of course my opinion and I can see the Waves Silk being a great tool for alot of mixers. Great Video!!!🙂👍
Thank you for watching!
Yes yes yes
Marvellous!
Am I the only one who thought none of the options really sounded that great? Including the original? She definitely is a great singer though, I’m not quite sure why he thought the voca sounded good at all, there was something cool happening from the silk though when he used the mid band, but still not going to rush to buy it. Izotope Neutron is pretty cool for a vocal for an automatic quick mix tool if you want to try something, sometimes the exciter makes things a bit too harsh though, but it can easily be tamed with a mix level or be completely turned off.
Bro your opening lines always get me 😂😂😂😂
Hahahaha. Have you seen that movie!?? Hilarious.
Joe, 😊🌊
Great stuff Joe! Love demos where they are setup so you can really hear the real world differences you are hearing too and seeing how you work. Now fire up your Locomotive 14b’s there and compare those against et al ! ;-) #hybridbaby ps - I am gonna add Voca to my arsenal so +1 Sonnox sale!
I should do something with the Locomotive in a video! It’s an awesome piece
@@InTheMixJoeCarrellIndeed. Many don't know them. And he is such a good one right? I have a 14b and so zoned in on it first thing in your video 🥵
It sounds better when you start dancing.
Haha indeed
Hahaha. Eric always surprises me and leaves that stuff in the final edit. I’ll learn my lesson one of these days 😂
The Voca is Snake Oil For the person who needs to have a sound effect but it doesn't do the surgical job that makes you want to move on,- IMHO. Silk has a bit more to offer but still no magic.
I respectfully disagree. I quite liked it myself. That’s why we put these videos out there…what may not be right for you is exactly what another one of our friends is looking for! Thank you for watching.
Yea rightttt Sonnox, essentially legends in this game, building from legendary code and algorithms under the hood/and know how, trying to cash grab us all, and attempt to constantly defy this TH-cam value system of getting called out as “snake oil or not” by troll reviewers and commenters who just want to get clicks and attention, RIGHT SURE. Joe is all class, even acknowledging you. And Sonnox +1 for a Voca sale just to spite the above comment. And +1 to Produce Like a Pro for product type compares vs. pure branded promos of single products. Good job guys!
CLA VOCAAAAL
There we go, save some CPU power. Now I regret buying Intel i9 13950xk 😅
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I bet you’ll find MANY uses for the power 💥💥
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell might as well now haha
The mix is punchier with either the Voca or the Silk processor on. The mix grooves better.
Isnt he Joe Carrell? 🙂🙂
He is!! At least he better be 😂
Does five instances of a distressor count? 😂😂
Haha apparently so!
Cool but I stopped using Waves plugins some time ago.
if not two de-essers
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Right!!?? Best wishes Brutus
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell 😆 Brutus says he's so "legacy" he started bouncing to real magnetic tape.
...and Waves:Silk is only $39.
True. Thank you for watching
Yes, very inexpensive
You Rock Joe!
Waaaaaaaaay too many ads
*xvox better*
Marvellous!
It’s only cause it’s has reverb and delay and spacial effects
This plugin is not good. Prefer vocalshaper by w.a. production.
Female/make vocal changes price of the plugin. Lol
There is much better ones than this one ...
"Our friends at Waves".
No. Waves are not our friends. It's a corporation known for ripping off customers.
Well in fairness they all try to make a profit or they are out of business. Haha. I must say I have had absolute awesome experiences with the people at Waves every time I had a technical problem or question. Very thorough and responsive to getting me back to work. I greatly prefer to be friends with ALL of them 😂😂 Best wishes and thank you for watching!
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell Ha! But you're Joe Carrell, so Waves knows you, and they'll look after you. It's the little people Waves will rip off, with the Waves Update Plan, while not adequately letting them know it's a subscription. So many people have their plugins effectively rendered inoperable after an OS update because of WUP. Other plugin companies don't do this sort of thing. Thanks Joe, for all your fantastic contributions that offer valuable knowledge to people learning this craft. Best wishes.
can you please deactivate these anoying subtitel-graphics - otherwise a great video
too much talking...
Waves has the worst DRM, I'm never installing any of their crap.