@@graysonliles8147 We should not forget. It was Peter's brother Larry Cullen. A Vietnam Vet who told him to voice characters that inspire even young children.
My personal headcanon is that Vulk was made a purpetual so he could lead humanity for forever. Everyone else would die out but he could continue to keep his father's vision alive
I always thought it was so he could better represent humanity as a concept. 40K is all about pressing ever on despite how much life sucks. Perpetuals can be killed, but not permanently, like how the human spirit can only be diminished, not destroyed
Makes you wonder how much suffering it would take to break a perpetual like Vulkan. Not necessarily irreparably, but at least to the extent that his inherently optimistic and benevolent nature is corrupted and transformed into apathetic depression. The idea of a figure purpose-built to exemplify the very best of humanity experiencing such a fate is the epitome of **Grimdark** - and just imagine the potential redemption arc.
@ Vulkan has always given me John Henry vibes since I learned about him. Big guy with a big hammer, stands up for others, does the impossible. Also the though of the song playing over Vulkan crumpling Konrad Curze over and over again will never fail to make me smile
And it turned out that Magnus and the Thousands Sons where working on their own Webway, the Portal Maze. It was supposed to be more difficult to access and navigate, but also more stable and allowed easier access to the Eldar Webway tunnels. From how I understand it. The Emperor basically tried to force access to the Webway with his psychic might. That caused the Webway access to be unstable. The Thousand Sons had a far more gentle approach to creating the connection. But that made access more difficult. Another issue might be stability in keeping Daemons out. And yea, that one does kinda speak against the whole "Magnus did nothing wrong". Because he must have recognised what he was smashing through. 😒
Not daemons demons u mean a daemond would be khorn or slanesh they have the power to enter our realm whenever u mean demon (a lesser being than a daemond)
You didn't even mention that time when he saved the GuilliMom! I mean, he wasn't exactly sane then, but him Kool-Aid Man busting in to beat the crap out of Kurze is always epic/hilarious to me.
Vulkan is the one genocidal brother among the primarchs, that knows burning billions of families alive is bad, and continues to do so, which makes him very wholesome yes yes. Hypocricy is one of his biggest character traits.
It's interesting how Vulkan's character has shifted over the years. "Any man who values life over pride is worthy of my service." - Vulkan when the Emperor sacrificed his greater trophy in their contest to save the Primarch. Initally, the key element was humility alongside compassion and a deliberate patience. Vulkan and his Legion took rearguard action, corrected wayward brothers or later chapter masters when they crossed lines, and counseled patience rather haste. Now, the hugging seems to be the primary trait 😂
wonder if its by design that all the green boys are possitive in a way. orcs are jolly good boyz who loves a good scrap, salamanders are nice and caring, the death guard crack jokes and chill out(in their own way)
The Salamanders understand best that Space Marines exist to protect the people of the Emperium. They are the Truest to the spirit of what Space Marines were made for. An important note (for me, maybe not this specific video) is that the Salamanders are the only legion/chapter that spend time with their biological family after they are Space Marines. They have the closest connection to the people of the Emperium and what they are protecting. If a Salamander makes it old enough for 'retirement' (he's so old or damaged that he's not combat effective) they go home and become a part of the community that birthed them. This may not be specifically relevant to a Vulcan focused video, and I don't believe that he ordered it. But I see it as the spirit of Vulcan that lives in every Salamander and the culture of Nocturne. Good Video. Can't wait for the next two.
To sum off Vulkan, he embodies what it means to have a strong heart. He is kind, virtuous, compassionate and loving, but also has the same strength of heart to keep on remaining as such even after he was driven insane from the pain of Konrad's torture and retain it after recovering from his madness. He and Sanguinius are loved because they are kind in a grimdark world and fight back even harder because of said kindness. The Emperor may value his most loyal sons like the Lion, Rogal and Ferrus or play favorite with Horus but he had a special kind of trust in Vulkan.
@@Logantheshogun420 I dont think "Trust" and the emperor can be said in the same phrase. They were tools to him as easily discarded as the thunder warriors were after they served their purpose... He would send Vulkan and Sangy to be the good hopeful face of humanity! Then send conrad and lemon to eat babies. And keep the truth from both... What I learned about 40K lore is that everybody on some level hated and feared the emperor EVEN the loyalists when they started slowly learning what the imperium was meant to be... Aside from maybe Dorn,Ferrus ,Lion and Lemon. Lion seems to have changed alot for the better, and it is understandable he was an evil savage before seeing as how he was basically Tarzan but with having to fight chaos demonic beasts XD
I love VULKAN. He is a good man who chooses to be kind, not because he is nieave of the horrers of the galaxy but because he does know and still chooses to be better.
Well, considering he's allegedly not coming back until the Sallies get all his gear back together, and one of them is in Trazyn's collection, don't hold your breath for too long. 🙃
@@bowietwombly5951trading will show them his collection just to gloat and then they will ‘accidentally’ break all of his shit until he gives them the item
One interesting thing I've noticed is that many religions in the world are saying that this year is the year of "hope". People who believe in signs and numerology are also saying the same thing. We've been through a very difficult year, everyone around me said that we'll go through a lot of difficulties in 2024, but I see that we can be optimistic about our future, as Vulkan often is. It's interesting to start the year talking about him too.
Woah! I never thought of that😯and I'm Nigerian. It makes sense. I see him as John Henry but as Ogun/Shango inspired also makes sense. Warhammer is really a universally appealing franchise😊
I have always felt that Big E saved Vulkan not to emotionally manipulate or playing some 3d chess, I think the Emperor was for a single moment a father saving his son. The single moment that he was in a position of needing and being able to save one of his sons, so he did without hesitation or counting the cost. He couldn't save Angron, Kurze, Logar or Mortie but he could save Vulkan.
I am not convinced he couldn't have saved Angron. I am not saying I KNOW if he had done the fanboy situation and had fought beside Angron and the slaves, that Angron would have been loyal to him; and I am EMPATHETIC realizing that Big E met Morty before Angron and he more or less tried to do EXACTLY THAT for Morty and Morty just through a massive temper tantrum about it. Never forget; when you write "If your place is with them, then my place is with you" Angron fanfictions, this is almost EXACTLY what the Emperor did for Morty. He showed dup, saw Morty leading a rebel army against their oppressors, and said "I can fight beside you and help you attain victory" and Morty just screeched "WE HAVE NO NEED OF YOU OUTSIDER"
I completely agree. He's the emperor and all. But I do not believe he would be capable of orchestrating something like that unless his foresight was as good as Tzeench's. He had no true way of knowing how his primarchs would be like by this point. If he did: 1-he would've helped mortarion deal with his dad in a way that would actually earn his loyalty. 2- he wouldn't have turn a sore loser when he competed with Leman only to then punch his lights out and bring his unconscious son back to the ship. And 3- he wouldn't have done ANY OF THE THINGS HE DID RELATED TO ANGRON. Yes he's a mastermind and everything but people need to remember that scatterering the primarchs was never his idea to begin with and most likely had to improvise a lot off the first meetings he had with his sons
Honestly I just assumed he already knew some were going to go rogue like Konrad or angron but all the other ones who would be involved were grayed out. So he found two obvious ones that were going to be the ones who were going evil and accepted they were already too far gone to save. He then distance himself from them and focused on narrowing down which ones were not going to go evil. he is making the best of a bad situation. Like he realizes lorgar was likely another bad one and decided to speed it up so he could put him on the list of traitors and narrow down who else. while hoping the ones like Vulkan, Corvus, guilman, Horus, sanguineou, and fulgrim, were good ones because he saw potential in them to make the best humanity without him. Him saving vulkan over winning was not some grand kindness or some manipulation but more he was not going to let him die over a stupid contest. Vulkan was a one of kind weapon to him. Of course he save him. Now vulkan’s response to being saved is probably when the emperor came to like vulkan. He saw someone who had no big ego and immediately gave him more glory for doing something normal for humans while several other sons would have had their pride hurt or something else but instead vulkan wanted to immediately repay him even when he won. Looking at that he probably immediately felt vulkan was the most human and surprisingly mature primarch. I always feel if you assume the emperor was trying to interact with his children as if he was trying to figure out who was going bad while not being use to having people who rival him is anything. For example Russ on a drinking contest and him being a little bit of a bad sport because he is not used to someone beating him at anything, you kind of get half of his behavior. Then you can see half the stuff he does as more oh he was narrowing down who was likely going to be the bad ones and was a bad dad from inexperience with it so it makes more sense especially given how he was prioritizing humanity as a whole over everything and everyone else.
Huh, would be first time he did act as a father than, cause nearly all those other cases, could have been solved, by simply having empathy for his kids desires and values, as for angron a good father, would have teleported to fight alongside him, or just addmited that dying as a warrior would be the merciful thing.
@@makairidah8354 I dont think you understand what preconception means in practical use, as i found it perfectly explain his actions during Great crusade; A) either future is not deterministic and is a simple clear line, where one wieving it is incabable of changing their actions and only use of it knowing your lack of self determination. B) future is deterministic, where each choice, creates minimum of two forks in line, so eavry time a random nobody expels waste creates 2 possible futures, based on which hand wipes alone, not to mention bigger choices the create large diferences to the future, itd take a super ai to catalog and to comprehend chain effects of each small choice in long run and ceirtainly more RAM than emperor has in his still human head, mayby even mora than tzeetch has. So emperor would make big choices based on how many futures his empire benefits from said choices, making him such a Great politican, but small ones, including fatherly actions to his sons, when he tried to be one and incidently those were the cases that joined horus, relying in that ability, rather than just using common sence in those situations and being present, would have lead to how it endead and ironically he could have asked any father in his army what he did wrong and gotten right answers from human perspective.
That meme is legit fake news btw. Kurse made him think it was a dark eldar ploy... The fact that ppl now believe the twisted reality that kurse wanted CUS OF A MEME! Makes me hate the bastard even more XD
Once again, I am requesting that you take a look at the Necron books "The Twice Dead King". Without going into much into spoilers, the books delve into quite a number of interesting concepts that few other books, let alone 40k books, touch on. Things like 'After losing the need and ability to eat and breathe, how well would a person handle the psychological impluses to do those?' and 'If someone becomes immortal, but is never able to physiologically develop past adolescence, how does that impact their character?' Additionally, the books have very powerful moments regarding familial ties, sanity, and how our own perception of events can warp and change over time. There are also some amazing supporting characters that range from being top tier memes to being profoundly deep. The two books have no right being as good as they are, or for how emotionally impactful they can be at times. Given how you've been looking at the primarchs in more of a psychological way, I really believe that you would fully enjoy these books.
I *hate* this take. Yall don't get it. He's BLACK. Like the color. Like carbon. He makes Africans look pale. If you want to claim Vulkan or argue he's black-coded that's fine. But don't make it about skin color.
Vulkan: "Oh, I am so happy to see you, bruva-friend!!!" *proceeds to violently realign recipients spinal column with one hug* Recipient: AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Nice video. Really liked it. The way you talked about Vulcan, as well as my current understanding of him, makes think of him as this representation of an idea: hope and kindness are eternal, but they are not endless.
You should watch TFS - Android 16's speech. But there you stand a good man doing nothing, and while evil triumphs and your rigid pacifism crumbles into blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns. you are a coward to your last wimper. of fear and love I fear not that I will die, but that the things I've come to love will perish with me.
Vulkan and the Salamanders are my favorites, because they embody something that I unfortunately find very relevant to life. They see fully all the horrors and cruelty of the universe before them, and how impossible it is for them to make significant changes, and they still choose to care and to do the right thing. They make hard choices and major sacrifices for the things that make life worth living, not just what keeps them alive. They understand that without kindness, connection, hope and joy, that there is no point to "winning". That human beings are more important than any system we create, and that nothing we have made matters without humans. As the kids say "the horrors persist, but so do I."
I largely agree, but I don’t think they just do it only out of being kind for the sake of kindness, but that (at least some) salamanders do genuinely believe they can make the universe change for the better. I know 40K is all grimdark, but even in that setting, people like Vulkan almost make me feel like humanity has a chance.
As always I really appreciate your character analysis of Vulkan and am looking forward to hearing your thoughts about him when you finish reading through to The End and the Death - particularly his interactions with Magnus. I also wanted to thank you for highlighting the very important distinction between true pacifism and the semblance of it. For most, pacifism is a moral stance they never have to defend because nothing they value is ever truly threatened. And, if it were, I think many would choose to do nothing and thus sacrifice others in place of themselves as they’re be unwilling to embrace the personal sacrifice of risking their lives and going against their ideals to preserve the lives and virtue of others. Vulkan does that. He is willing to fight to preserve his ideals at tremendous personal cost. Not only to his body and mind, but to his conscience and sense of self.
Vulkan - an artist, a craftsman, humble, yet confident. Vulkan - a truly good and honorable person. Tortured, imprisoned, he still didn't give up. A true hero.
The Salamanders and Vulcan have what most space marines and primarchs don't, Humanity. This is also something I personally see in the Space Wolves and their poorly translated names. The shield and the sword are needed to protect
9:36 I think the two motivations for Big E's actions are not mutually exclusive. Read Master of Mankind and you get a sense for the depth of the emperor's capacity for cynical and manipulative methods to achieve an end. But, he also has a deep capacity for empathy especially towards his kind. Basilius Pho, a perpetual and one of the few who's known Big E since the very beginning, absolutely hates the emperor but when asked why he thinks the Emperor even bothered shepherding weakling humans when he could have gene-wrought all of them into something greater his respons is essentially "Eh, he's a big softie for the humans." imo the Emperor knew an act of compassion would turn Vulkan to his side, but that doesn't mean the act wasn't sincere.
I’m a big Vulkan and Salamanders fan, and I personally hope GW writes him to be the last loyalist primarch to return to the setting. He and his legion probably embody humanity’s hope the best and most consistently out of his brothers and their respective legions. So i personally think that him returning to setting when things are truly truly dire (I’d imagine being the last primarch to return would probably mean that humanity is really on the back pedal in the setting) would really round out his theme and symbolism in the setting. Literally being a spark of hope in the dark.
Big E on meeting Vulkan: "Great game son, I'm very proud of you. Also Nocturne has amazing cookouts." Big E on meeting Angron: "Oh great he's broken, whatever he's the War Hounds' problem now."
I like to imagine The Emperor was really into the Salamander competition, and was so into it he failed to notice Vulkan tettering over the edge of dying for a few hours.
Also I would honestly love for you to cover the Carcharodons, just to simply hear your own thoughts and opinions if why they are the fan favorite and what makes them different to other fleet based space marines. But if you can't is understandable.
Great video Mr. Bones (I have zero bias lol) Hurt my back a week ago, got the membership and binged the members videos while I was layed up. It made a boring week bearable, best money I spent in a while. Thanks. Have a good time at the LVO!
I love him and his boys so much 😭😭😭 Loved them when i was a lad just for the name and color scheme, and it just happened to be a happy accident that they are also the philosophy i vibe with the most
“The kind and peaceful man is not the man who is non violent because they have no means of committing violence. That man is simply harmless. The peaceful and kind man is the one who is capable of terrible violence but chooses not to use it unless it is necessary to protect his fellow man.”
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you’re capable of great violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful, you’re harmless.
I love the fact that Vulcan was like " welp my teleporter may not work but, i still have this trusty hammer" then proceedes to give him a beating of a life time.
Honestly i respect it, the take on the Emperor. I like him not only being somewhat morally grey (tho i would argue hes firmly on the good guy side, he might be bad guy coded but hes literally enduring endless pain for longer than we have historical records just to keep humanity going). But i also like it when hes both shown as very human and very inhuman. I dont know wich book this is from, and im paraphrasing, but it is said that the Emperor has mood shifts at the lifetime scale, wereas you might have a good week were you are all chill and funny, and another week were youre cold and grumpy, the emperor has that every 80 years or so. I love the idea that you might catch him being as cold as his plans need him to be, or being an overall example of very chill very lovable humanity, all depending on the time and context. Id rather that than him being inhuman and souless
My pet theory is that Salamanders are so self-sacrificing because their gene-template is telling them that they're perpetuals just like their dad, and should be fine after using their bodies as human shields for civilians, even when they're really, really, not.
i love that thay have to go back and spend time with their family's thay get to meet grandchildren and generations of their family's grow so thay have this extra love for humans it could be there family's also old lore thay had a joke on what thay do for a living for peace time im a blacksmith but its never peace time
It’s amazing how inconsistent the emperor is. On the one hand he’ll show compassion and emotional intelligence when recruiting Vulkan but when recruiting someone like Angron he says f u and just yeets him back to terra
The thing that I love the most about Vulcan and his sons is what they represent. That in the grim darkness of the far future, where there is only war, true heroes still exist.
I feel like the Salamanders are the first legion everyone gets into. Then you branch off into the more complicated legions unless you’re an actual nice person, then you remain a Salamander.
Vulkan is the embodiment of "Be strong enough to be gentle."
And that is perfect for him
chad peter cullen enjoyer
The Thorfinn of Warhammer except for that one time with the eldari child but then again Thorfinn did also kill people too.
@@graysonliles8147 We should not forget. It was Peter's brother Larry Cullen. A Vietnam Vet who told him to voice characters that inspire even young children.
A wise man should fear three things: the sea in a storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.
"Be strong enough to hug them all equally."
My personal headcanon is that Vulk was made a purpetual so he could lead humanity for forever. Everyone else would die out but he could continue to keep his father's vision alive
That’s a really beautiful idea
I always thought it was so he could better represent humanity as a concept. 40K is all about pressing ever on despite how much life sucks. Perpetuals can be killed, but not permanently, like how the human spirit can only be diminished, not destroyed
Makes you wonder how much suffering it would take to break a perpetual like Vulkan.
Not necessarily irreparably, but at least to the extent that his inherently optimistic and benevolent nature is corrupted and transformed into apathetic depression.
The idea of a figure purpose-built to exemplify the very best of humanity experiencing such a fate is the epitome of **Grimdark** - and just imagine the potential redemption arc.
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Honestly? Probably nothing. If Kurze couldn’t pull it off, who or what could?
But not eldar children
Vulkan: “It is also a hammer”
*John Henry song intensifies*
That's a name I haven't heard for quite awhile
@ Vulkan has always given me John Henry vibes since I learned about him. Big guy with a big hammer, stands up for others, does the impossible. Also the though of the song playing over Vulkan crumpling Konrad Curze over and over again will never fail to make me smile
John Henry..John Henry..John Henry was a mighty man!
@@zaxbitterzen2178 Born with a hammer..Born with a hammer..Born with a hammer right in his hand!
@clarenceweaver1820 love that song 🎵 👌
"... I want to pet this creature..."
-Vulkan probably
BOOOOOP!
"I want to boop da snoot!"
Unless it's an elder child
@@aliensasquatch7485he’ll boop that one a little too hard
"I'm going to boop his little snoot"
When Vulcan discovered the Web Way project, he stated that he and, with the help of Magnus, would've done a better job.
I thought he said he couldn’t do anything to help
And it turned out that Magnus and the Thousands Sons where working on their own Webway, the Portal Maze.
It was supposed to be more difficult to access and navigate, but also more stable and allowed easier access to the Eldar Webway tunnels.
From how I understand it. The Emperor basically tried to force access to the Webway with his psychic might. That caused the Webway access to be unstable.
The Thousand Sons had a far more gentle approach to creating the connection. But that made access more difficult. Another issue might be stability in keeping Daemons out.
And yea, that one does kinda speak against the whole "Magnus did nothing wrong". Because he must have recognised what he was smashing through. 😒
Not daemons demons u mean a daemond would be khorn or slanesh they have the power to enter our realm whenever u mean demon (a lesser being than a daemond)
@@Kellog888 40k uses 'Daemon' in every instance of warpborn entity, regardless of how powerful
You didn't even mention that time when he saved the GuilliMom! I mean, he wasn't exactly sane then, but him Kool-Aid Man busting in to beat the crap out of Kurze is always epic/hilarious to me.
Kurze and Vulcan are like Peter Griffin and that giant chicken what gave him the bad coupon once.
1. Hate Erebus
2. Love Vulcan
The first two rules of how to 40K
“Love me Vulcan. ‘Ate me Erebus. Simple as.”
Vulcan is what it means to be strong enough to be gentle.
@@iisbobby3523 That's what Peter Cullen always says about his portrayal of Optimus Prime.
Vulkan is the one genocidal brother among the primarchs, that knows burning billions of families alive is bad, and continues to do so, which makes him very wholesome yes yes. Hypocricy is one of his biggest character traits.
@ro.kn.2665 nerd alert 🤓🤓🤓🤓
When bro pulls up in the family bbq with cupcakes and cakes and a flame thrower for the grill and he has a Jamaican voice
*Vulcan wants to advise his brothers*
Konrad: "Silence, the child-burner is going to tell us how to behave."
says the child flayer
Its justice tho @@keaganjantjies3422
A child burner, flayer and diddler walk into a bar
‘He said, wearing the skin of multiple families across his armor’
The child had angular ears!!!
It's interesting how Vulkan's character has shifted over the years.
"Any man who values life over pride is worthy of my service." - Vulkan when the Emperor sacrificed his greater trophy in their contest to save the Primarch.
Initally, the key element was humility alongside compassion and a deliberate patience.
Vulkan and his Legion took rearguard action, corrected wayward brothers or later chapter masters when they crossed lines, and counseled patience rather haste.
Now, the hugging seems to be the primary trait 😂
Vulkan, the only Primmarch too human to be what the Emperor wanted him to be, an S Tier war general, and he is great for it
wonder if its by design that all the green boys are possitive in a way. orcs are jolly good boyz who loves a good scrap, salamanders are nice and caring, the death guard crack jokes and chill out(in their own way)
Ehhhhhh.... Dark Angels
You forgot dark angels and the biel'tan who are most definitely not positive
Unlikely.
@@eladrevocnayrb0807 damnit forgot about dark angels
Necron :/
The Salamanders understand best that Space Marines exist to protect the people of the Emperium. They are the Truest to the spirit of what Space Marines were made for. An important note (for me, maybe not this specific video) is that the Salamanders are the only legion/chapter that spend time with their biological family after they are Space Marines. They have the closest connection to the people of the Emperium and what they are protecting. If a Salamander makes it old enough for 'retirement' (he's so old or damaged that he's not combat effective) they go home and become a part of the community that birthed them. This may not be specifically relevant to a Vulcan focused video, and I don't believe that he ordered it. But I see it as the spirit of Vulcan that lives in every Salamander and the culture of Nocturne. Good Video. Can't wait for the next two.
Never confuse a kind man for being weak because sometimes it's harder to be kind than mean.
To sum off Vulkan, he embodies what it means to have a strong heart. He is kind, virtuous, compassionate and loving, but also has the same strength of heart to keep on remaining as such even after he was driven insane from the pain of Konrad's torture and retain it after recovering from his madness. He and Sanguinius are loved because they are kind in a grimdark world and fight back even harder because of said kindness.
The Emperor may value his most loyal sons like the Lion, Rogal and Ferrus or play favorite with Horus but he had a special kind of trust in Vulkan.
I would like to pet this creature
It could be said that the Emperor values Vulkan the most out of all of his children. He made him a perpetual, after all.
Well yeah, of course he trusts Vulkan. He gave him the keys to self destruct Terra if all was truly lost.
@@Logantheshogun420 I dont think "Trust" and the emperor can be said in the same phrase.
They were tools to him as easily discarded as the thunder warriors were after they served their purpose...
He would send Vulkan and Sangy to be the good hopeful face of humanity!
Then send conrad and lemon to eat babies.
And keep the truth from both...
What I learned about 40K lore is that everybody on some level hated and feared the emperor EVEN the loyalists when they started slowly learning what the imperium was meant to be...
Aside from maybe Dorn,Ferrus ,Lion and Lemon.
Lion seems to have changed alot for the better, and it is understandable he was an evil savage before seeing as how he was basically Tarzan but with having to fight chaos demonic beasts XD
Person; "My favorite Primach is Vulkan".
Me; "Say no more. You're cool".
Person; "My favorite Primach is Lorgar".
Me; "Get away from me"!
I always separate it into loyalist and traitor lorgar is my favorite traitor
My first instinct is that Vulcan is the kindest Primarch.
I love VULKAN. He is a good man who chooses to be kind, not because he is nieave of the horrers of the galaxy but because he does know and still chooses to be better.
Every time there is a salamanders announcement i hold my breath. The moment vulkan returns I am all in
Well, considering he's allegedly not coming back until the Sallies get all his gear back together, and one of them is in Trazyn's collection, don't hold your breath for too long. 🙃
@@bowietwombly5951trading will show them his collection just to gloat and then they will ‘accidentally’ break all of his shit until he gives them the item
Salamanders: Accept our warm embrace.
Imperium: I never thought Space Marines could be so kind.
Enemies of the Imperium: AHHHHHH IT BURNS!!!!!!!!
One interesting thing I've noticed is that many religions in the world are saying that this year is the year of "hope". People who believe in signs and numerology are also saying the same thing. We've been through a very difficult year, everyone around me said that we'll go through a lot of difficulties in 2024, but I see that we can be optimistic about our future, as Vulkan often is. It's interesting to start the year talking about him too.
Vulkan: *hangs on ledge for dear life*
Emperor: "NOOOO! Not the only son i can have a normal conversation with!"
Vulkan based straight out of the Yoruba Orisha - Shango/Ogun. Love to see it
Woah! I never thought of that😯and I'm Nigerian. It makes sense. I see him as John Henry but as Ogun/Shango inspired also makes sense. Warhammer is really a universally appealing franchise😊
13:16 because he wanted to customize his entire fleet and insisted that he meet the entire legion. Kinda interesting
Didn't he also made the mechanicus to literally remake his flagship?
I have always felt that Big E saved Vulkan not to emotionally manipulate or playing some 3d chess, I think the Emperor was for a single moment a father saving his son. The single moment that he was in a position of needing and being able to save one of his sons, so he did without hesitation or counting the cost. He couldn't save Angron, Kurze, Logar or Mortie but he could save Vulkan.
I am not convinced he couldn't have saved Angron. I am not saying I KNOW if he had done the fanboy situation and had fought beside Angron and the slaves, that Angron would have been loyal to him; and I am EMPATHETIC realizing that Big E met Morty before Angron and he more or less tried to do EXACTLY THAT for Morty and Morty just through a massive temper tantrum about it.
Never forget; when you write "If your place is with them, then my place is with you" Angron fanfictions, this is almost EXACTLY what the Emperor did for Morty. He showed dup, saw Morty leading a rebel army against their oppressors, and said "I can fight beside you and help you attain victory" and Morty just screeched "WE HAVE NO NEED OF YOU OUTSIDER"
I completely agree. He's the emperor and all. But I do not believe he would be capable of orchestrating something like that unless his foresight was as good as Tzeench's.
He had no true way of knowing how his primarchs would be like by this point. If he did:
1-he would've helped mortarion deal with his dad in a way that would actually earn his loyalty.
2- he wouldn't have turn a sore loser when he competed with Leman only to then punch his lights out and bring his unconscious son back to the ship.
And 3- he wouldn't have done ANY OF THE THINGS HE DID RELATED TO ANGRON.
Yes he's a mastermind and everything but people need to remember that scatterering the primarchs was never his idea to begin with and most likely had to improvise a lot off the first meetings he had with his sons
Honestly I just assumed he already knew some were going to go rogue like Konrad or angron but all the other ones who would be involved were grayed out. So he found two obvious ones that were going to be the ones who were going evil and accepted they were already too far gone to save. He then distance himself from them and focused on narrowing down which ones were not going to go evil. he is making the best of a bad situation. Like he realizes lorgar was likely another bad one and decided to speed it up so he could put him on the list of traitors and narrow down who else. while hoping the ones like Vulkan, Corvus, guilman, Horus, sanguineou, and fulgrim, were good ones because he saw potential in them to make the best humanity without him.
Him saving vulkan over winning was not some grand kindness or some manipulation but more he was not going to let him die over a stupid contest. Vulkan was a one of kind weapon to him. Of course he save him. Now vulkan’s response to being saved is probably when the emperor came to like vulkan. He saw someone who had no big ego and immediately gave him more glory for doing something normal for humans while several other sons would have had their pride hurt or something else but instead vulkan wanted to immediately repay him even when he won. Looking at that he probably immediately felt vulkan was the most human and surprisingly mature primarch.
I always feel if you assume the emperor was trying to interact with his children as if he was trying to figure out who was going bad while not being use to having people who rival him is anything. For example Russ on a drinking contest and him being a little bit of a bad sport because he is not used to someone beating him at anything, you kind of get half of his behavior. Then you can see half the stuff he does as more oh he was narrowing down who was likely going to be the bad ones and was a bad dad from inexperience with it so it makes more sense especially given how he was prioritizing humanity as a whole over everything and everyone else.
Huh, would be first time he did act as a father than, cause nearly all those other cases, could have been solved, by simply having empathy for his kids desires and values, as for angron a good father, would have teleported to fight alongside him, or just addmited that dying as a warrior would be the merciful thing.
@@makairidah8354 I dont think you understand what preconception means in practical use, as i found it perfectly explain his actions during Great crusade;
A) either future is not deterministic and is a simple clear line, where one wieving it is incabable of changing their actions and only use of it knowing your lack of self determination.
B) future is deterministic, where each choice, creates minimum of two forks in line, so eavry time a random nobody expels waste creates 2 possible futures, based on which hand wipes alone, not to mention bigger choices the create large diferences to the future, itd take a super ai to catalog and to comprehend chain effects of each small choice in long run and ceirtainly more RAM than emperor has in his still human head, mayby even mora than tzeetch has. So emperor would make big choices based on how many futures his empire benefits from said choices, making him such a Great politican, but small ones, including fatherly actions to his sons, when he tried to be one and incidently those were the cases that joined horus, relying in that ability, rather than just using common sence in those situations and being present, would have lead to how it endead and ironically he could have asked any father in his army what he did wrong and gotten right answers from human perspective.
Can we appreciate the editing at 24:34? Timing the musical sting along with the blackout of imagery with "It's the right thing to do." Nice touch.
Vulcan the Kindest Primarch until he sees a Human and Eldari child holding hands.
Extremely tired meme
This is as stale as the krieg shovel meme.
That meme is legit fake news btw. Kurse made him think it was a dark eldar ploy...
The fact that ppl now believe the twisted reality that kurse wanted CUS OF A MEME!
Makes me hate the bastard even more XD
@@EchoObserver9I know he was manipulated and I just like to make fun of it. Also he's not a real person.
@@RubyCarrots3232 and it is still not funny
Vulcan may be kind, but German children will always be kinder. Also: Ravenwing! SPEED KILLS!
Vulkan radiates that warmth, that just envelops you, especially if you're an Eldar child
The Salamanders became my first favorite space marines chapter when I got into 40k, Vulkan is one my favorite primarchs.
Something something eldar child something something it is also a hammer something something I would like to pet this creature
Something something You Don’t know the full meaning behind the flesh is weak saying you spout off
Something gimme a hug, Magnus!
Once again, I am requesting that you take a look at the Necron books "The Twice Dead King". Without going into much into spoilers, the books delve into quite a number of interesting concepts that few other books, let alone 40k books, touch on.
Things like 'After losing the need and ability to eat and breathe, how well would a person handle the psychological impluses to do those?' and 'If someone becomes immortal, but is never able to physiologically develop past adolescence, how does that impact their character?'
Additionally, the books have very powerful moments regarding familial ties, sanity, and how our own perception of events can warp and change over time. There are also some amazing supporting characters that range from being top tier memes to being profoundly deep.
The two books have no right being as good as they are, or for how emotionally impactful they can be at times. Given how you've been looking at the primarchs in more of a psychological way, I really believe that you would fully enjoy these books.
I love that the only black primarch is a very good dad and role model.
Break the circle brother.
I *hate* this take.
Yall don't get it. He's BLACK. Like the color. Like carbon. He makes Africans look pale.
If you want to claim Vulkan or argue he's black-coded that's fine. But don't make it about skin color.
@thepyrokitten it's not a take. it's a joke.
@@ericknorskr8568 Apologies, I have seen people unironically making that statement. Usually new people to 40k.
Vulcan in a nutshell: NOW THAT'S WHY HE IS THE GOAT THE GOAAAAAAT
bro I was literally thinking of that edit lmao
I love the aesthetic of the Salamanders, the designs, it’s so badass. I’m not a fan of green in RL but they look so good in green and gold.
13:40 just go to the event, dress up as a League of Votann dwarf and the only person who recognizes you as such will be Mr. Bones
Vulkan: "Oh, I am so happy to see you, bruva-friend!!!" *proceeds to violently realign recipients spinal column with one hug*
Recipient: AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
1:55 "I am not mad that you ruined everything forever" hug.
Nice video. Really liked it. The way you talked about Vulcan, as well as my current understanding of him, makes think of him as this representation of an idea: hope and kindness are eternal, but they are not endless.
You should watch TFS - Android 16's speech.
But there you stand a good man doing nothing, and while evil triumphs and your rigid pacifism crumbles into blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns. you are a coward to your last wimper. of fear and love I fear not that I will die, but that the things I've come to love will perish with me.
You like Vulkan because he’s a nice guy, I like Vulkan because he hates Eldar. We’re not the same.
25:41 animation of konrad getting his cheeks clapped (literally) by the lion
Vulkan and the Salamanders are my favorites, because they embody something that I unfortunately find very relevant to life. They see fully all the horrors and cruelty of the universe before them, and how impossible it is for them to make significant changes, and they still choose to care and to do the right thing. They make hard choices and major sacrifices for the things that make life worth living, not just what keeps them alive. They understand that without kindness, connection, hope and joy, that there is no point to "winning". That human beings are more important than any system we create, and that nothing we have made matters without humans. As the kids say "the horrors persist, but so do I."
I largely agree, but I don’t think they just do it only out of being kind for the sake of kindness, but that (at least some) salamanders do genuinely believe they can make the universe change for the better.
I know 40K is all grimdark, but even in that setting, people like Vulkan almost make me feel like humanity has a chance.
I was actively looking to see if you put this exact video up yesterday thank you lmao
As always I really appreciate your character analysis of Vulkan and am looking forward to hearing your thoughts about him when you finish reading through to The End and the Death - particularly his interactions with Magnus.
I also wanted to thank you for highlighting the very important distinction between true pacifism and the semblance of it. For most, pacifism is a moral stance they never have to defend because nothing they value is ever truly threatened. And, if it were, I think many would choose to do nothing and thus sacrifice others in place of themselves as they’re be unwilling to embrace the personal sacrifice of risking their lives and going against their ideals to preserve the lives and virtue of others. Vulkan does that. He is willing to fight to preserve his ideals at tremendous personal cost. Not only to his body and mind, but to his conscience and sense of self.
Do you want to make me cry? The inclusion on Undertale at the end is amazing
Vulkan - an artist, a craftsman, humble, yet confident. Vulkan - a truly good and honorable person. Tortured, imprisoned, he still didn't give up. A true hero.
Painting a salamander redeemer right now. Sick timing!
I can imagine Malcador hated the slaps on the back from this titan of a man.
Aww, I smiled so large when His Theme played at the end. Good choice. :D
Also, his bonding with ferrus manus, who learnt kindness from him (thus planting the seed of him remaining loyal)
11:32 I was enjoying the video very much
Vulkan would be so proud of you if you made a video about the Stormcast Eternals.
Salamander's is the most wholesome legion...unless you're a xeno child....
even the smallest xeno is a threat
Every “eldar child” joke is being made by Curze trying to make people hate Vulkan
The Salamanders and Vulcan have what most space marines and primarchs don't, Humanity. This is also something I personally see in the Space Wolves and their poorly translated names. The shield and the sword are needed to protect
Kindest Primarch
That Eldar child and those humans who lived with Exodites would argue otherwise.
9:36 I think the two motivations for Big E's actions are not mutually exclusive. Read Master of Mankind and you get a sense for the depth of the emperor's capacity for cynical and manipulative methods to achieve an end. But, he also has a deep capacity for empathy especially towards his kind. Basilius Pho, a perpetual and one of the few who's known Big E since the very beginning, absolutely hates the emperor but when asked why he thinks the Emperor even bothered shepherding weakling humans when he could have gene-wrought all of them into something greater his respons is essentially "Eh, he's a big softie for the humans." imo the Emperor knew an act of compassion would turn Vulkan to his side, but that doesn't mean the act wasn't sincere.
Yes, it's all hugs and kisses, but when they see an Eldar child, it's nothing but warcrimes.
One time! C’monnnn…
I’m a big Vulkan and Salamanders fan, and I personally hope GW writes him to be the last loyalist primarch to return to the setting. He and his legion probably embody humanity’s hope the best and most consistently out of his brothers and their respective legions. So i personally think that him returning to setting when things are truly truly dire (I’d imagine being the last primarch to return would probably mean that humanity is really on the back pedal in the setting) would really round out his theme and symbolism in the setting. Literally being a spark of hope in the dark.
23:25 man it sure is good that Mr bones wasn't around during Hippie times, other wise he would hate the world even more.
I'm a Sanguinius guy, but Vulkz has my respect.
Big E on meeting Vulkan: "Great game son, I'm very proud of you. Also Nocturne has amazing cookouts."
Big E on meeting Angron: "Oh great he's broken, whatever he's the War Hounds' problem now."
🤣🤣🤣🤣
*Vulkan*
Green
Loves fire
Cares about children
Fights bat-themed Night Lords
*Gamera*
Green
Loves fire
Cares about children
Fights bat-like Gyaos.
Oh my gods! YES! I adored Gamera as a little girl and still do to this day! 🔥🐢 🥰
18:59-19:07
It's giving The First Ideal of the Knights Radiant. Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination, and all that
I like to imagine The Emperor was really into the Salamander competition, and was so into it he failed to notice Vulkan tettering over the edge of dying for a few hours.
Also I would honestly love for you to cover the Carcharodons, just to simply hear your own thoughts and opinions if why they are the fan favorite and what makes them different to other fleet based space marines. But if you can't is understandable.
Great video Mr. Bones (I have zero bias lol) Hurt my back a week ago, got the membership and binged the members videos while I was layed up. It made a boring week bearable, best money I spent in a while. Thanks. Have a good time at the LVO!
I love him and his boys so much 😭😭😭 Loved them when i was a lad just for the name and color scheme, and it just happened to be a happy accident that they are also the philosophy i vibe with the most
damn... the fact that Big E took most of his sons back to terra, is so sad. When you think about how Angron got treated :S
A giant anvil? Is Curze Wile E. Coyote?
Great video as always of course.
“The kind and peaceful man is not the man who is non violent because they have no means of committing violence. That man is simply harmless.
The peaceful and kind man is the one who is capable of terrible violence but chooses not to use it unless it is necessary to protect his fellow man.”
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you’re capable of great violence.
If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful, you’re harmless.
I love the fact that Vulcan was like " welp my teleporter may not work but, i still have this trusty hammer" then proceedes to give him a beating of a life time.
Honestly i respect it, the take on the Emperor. I like him not only being somewhat morally grey (tho i would argue hes firmly on the good guy side, he might be bad guy coded but hes literally enduring endless pain for longer than we have historical records just to keep humanity going). But i also like it when hes both shown as very human and very inhuman.
I dont know wich book this is from, and im paraphrasing, but it is said that the Emperor has mood shifts at the lifetime scale, wereas you might have a good week were you are all chill and funny, and another week were youre cold and grumpy, the emperor has that every 80 years or so. I love the idea that you might catch him being as cold as his plans need him to be, or being an overall example of very chill very lovable humanity, all depending on the time and context. Id rather that than him being inhuman and souless
By the Emperor 15:55 Vulkan Lifts
Vulkan Lives in the same way that Cadia Stands.
Vulkan is my guy. Best Primarch and best legion in my opinion.
Man every video I'm caught off guard by hearing the caretaker playing 😂 awesome videos dude!
My pet theory is that Salamanders are so self-sacrificing because their gene-template is telling them that they're perpetuals just like their dad, and should be fine after using their bodies as human shields for civilians, even when they're really, really, not.
That's actually a really funny explanation.
That's actually an awesome theory.
That reduces the sacrifice so much pls no
WUHU He is CHONK and WE love him !!!
Love me some teddy bears with flame throwers
i love that thay have to go back and spend time with their family's thay get to meet grandchildren and generations of their family's grow so thay have this extra love for humans it could be there family's also old lore thay had a joke on what thay do for a living for peace time im a blacksmith but its never peace time
Vulkan lives! He's just not finished with his sets yet. 360,000 deadlifts left before he comes back as Bulkan💪
As a salamanders fan I have been waiting for this
It’s amazing how inconsistent the emperor is. On the one hand he’ll show compassion and emotional intelligence when recruiting Vulkan but when recruiting someone like Angron he says f u and just yeets him back to terra
This is actually the greatest Vulkan video on YT and is the gold standard for when I recommend someone to look up a Vulkan lore vid
The thing that I love the most about Vulcan and his sons is what they represent. That in the grim darkness of the far future, where there is only war, true heroes still exist.
Even when the universe punishes them heavily for it, they still keep being who they are.
Favorite Primarch: Konrad Curze
Why: Gothic tragedy, and the Night Lords were what got me into W40K
My favorite is Jane Zarr. Primarch of the howling banshees.
I feel like the Salamanders are the first legion everyone gets into. Then you branch off into the more complicated legions unless you’re an actual nice person, then you remain a Salamander.
I collect dg and blood angels, but Vulkan will always be my favorite
Vulcan is most definitely half Ork after the war the beast, we're going to end up seeing him leading a WAAAGH! Of his own.
Please no...
TTS is not canon
@@chris8800I know, but that possibly can be ruled out
@@vontheunknown7982 no
@@chris8800LOL 😂
Salamanders mentioned :)
"It is also a hammer" is truly one of the best lines in all of 40k literature.
"It is also a hammer" has to be the hardest and funniest moment in all of 40k
Genuinely one of your best primarch videos, good job oh and have fun at LVO
YEEEEES I WAS SO HYPED FOR THIS ONE
VULKAN LIVES
Do you think the salamanders ever use tanning beds on account of their love of all things hot?
They probably sleep in sarcophagus that heat up really hot.
So sleeping in mega tanning beds
He gave Dorn a big Ol huggies and Dorn appreciated and reciprocated it.
Thats all i need to know.
That Eldar child had it coming