Despite their comical appearance, I’ve seen a few of their time sheets and the logs of the runs they did. These things were no joke. Powerful (for their size), tough, and light makes for a formidable combination, who would’ve thought?
It's always a lovely story when you have a class that survived into the 60s. Then equally mind-boggling if you have one that survived into the 60s and then went extinct.
@@thegamingrhino5864 and basically all of the L&N (Louisville and Nashville) Fleet excluding a few carriages (for example a Combine car and a few coaches at the Kentucky Railway Museum and like One pacific class engine (which isn’t that big
As a child of about 8 or 9 I remember seeing one of the last two surviving Dukedogs, sitting on the centre road at the old Aberystwyth station. They've fascinated me ever since. About twenty minutes later I met one of the Vale of Rheidol engines - having never seen an outside framed engine (I grew up beside the Trent Valley main line) I was profoundly puzzled as to why neither engine had any wheels..... So there is a 50/50 chance that the engine I saw is the preserved example.
LNER aristocrats: let us present to you our newest class of express engines, the A4! *A4 pulls into the station impressively* GWR aristocrats: let us show you OUR newest engine, the Earl class! *Earl trundles into the station like some sort of Great Western Edward* GWR aristocrats: ... LNER aristocrats: *BRUH* Charles Collett: laughing his ass off in the background
So the Duke class had worn out parts and the Bulldog class was being retired so parts of the latter were used to upgrade the former? That's one way to utilize the resources at hand.
The GWR directors were probably less unhappy than you might think, because the Great Depression was on, and Collet wrung new life out of old parts. Rather the way the Great Northern Railway (U.S.A.) converted old Mallet locos into the heaviest 2-8-2 locomotives ever built, the Class O-8, also in the 1930s. Hard times call for desperate measures.
Ya gotta love a good under "dog" story from time to time. Im sure the Chief Engineer there was fed up with all of the "Bull" he had to put with at work. Luckily he didnt end up "duking" it out with anybody over it. Okay ill stop now.
The one Dukedog that was preserved (9017 Earl Of Berkeley) uses the frames of Bulldog 4-4-0 no 3425 and the boiler of Duke 4-4-0 no 3282 Chepstow Castle.
We think of this now, but at the time they were seen as obsolete. The modern version might be naming a fleet of rusty old SD40-2s after company directors, who would rather their names be put on flashy new ES44C4s or something. SD40-2s are still great locomotives after all these years, but don't have the prestige of modernness.
I remember them going out of service but I never managed to see one in BR use. I was too young to see the last of the Bird class Bulldogs. It had never occurred to me that there was any intent to have 'un petit rire' at the directors...I'm so innocent and I knew that loco naming was very quirky to the point of insensitiveness anyway. Take Bongo and Pretty Polly for a start and the GWR once had an absorbed loco carrying the name 'Terrible'.
Bongo is the sixth locomotive of the LNER B1 'Antelope' class, 36 of which were named after 35 different species of antelope. Pretty Polly, a Gresley A1 of April 1925, carried the name of the winner of the 1904 St. Leger stakes at Doncaster, as part of the LNER tradition of naming top-link engines after classic race-winning horses. No fewer than eight Royal Navy warships have borne the name 'HMS Terrible', in the years between 1694-1947. The GWR 'Atbara' class locomotive of that name refers to the second of the two 'Powerful' class protected cruisers built in the 1890s. The first cruiser, 'Powerful', also gave its name to a locomotive of this class. I'm at quite a loss to see why any of these categories of locomotive names should be considered either quirky or insensitive.
Kinda reminds me of the sileightie. Back in the 90s in Japan drifting/street racing was very popular and a popular choice was the Nissan 180sx. However if said owner of 180sx were to somehow damage the front end he would be left with a couple of choices of how to repair it. They could buy the 180sx front end but the 180sx happened to share the same chassis as the S13 silva which happened to be cheaper. Due to this it wasn't uncommon to see a 180sx with a S13 front end and such examples of these cars were nicknamed sileightie's a combination of the names Silvia and 180sx.
I dunno how appreciated rws/Thomas comments are around here, but man I wonder if this means Duke being a "bulldog" was awdry using Linda's leap to make a pun, after ALREADY naming Duke because of a story that was based on the name of the original dukes
Is it weird for me to say a locomotive looks hot? XD Ok but jokes aside, its quite rare finding a sleek looking locomotive that is also reliable. there is just something about the Earl class that just looks so great, so right. Its as if the Duke and bulldog classes were meant to be fused.
I love you, I am subscribing to your channel because you used the Engineer from TF2, and Hugh Laurie as Prince George from Black Adder Season 3 in the same video and that is beautiful.
The company owners should be glad they got locomotives named after them - if people were really spiteful they could have named goods wagons after them. And the CEO or whatever the big cheese's title is could have a works train lavatory car named for him.
Well there is one such example of people naming wagons after some important figure out of spite. But it is from Czechoslovakia. In 80's ČSD had ordered carriages from Eastern Germany and they are so awful to board that they are nicknamed Honecker's Revenge, or simply Honeckers, after then chancellor of East Germany.
The irony is, these double-framed engines dating back to the Dean era in design terms, had very strong frames whereas Churchward's more modern locomotives did not- and this problem was not rectified until Hawksworth created the "Modified Hall" class in 1944. Churchward's excellent 4300 moguls were already being used as donors for the Grange class in 1936 and a little later, the Manors as presumably, the frames were badly fatigued. Using these sturdy frames and attaching a lighter pre-Churchward boiler was a good idea and the fact they lasted until 1960 proves it even if they looked antiquated.
I had wondered how they got their names. Apparently the GWR built many Hall class locomotives they were struggling for names by the time the last one were built.
Just goes to show that in the 1930s the GWR must have been quite short of cash. The relatively impoverished Highland Railway managed to build four 4-6-0 designs up to 1923 (excluding th the larger and heavier Rivers) which would probably have been within the weight limitations of the Cambrian lines. With a larger boiler and three driving axles a locomotive this size would have been a very decent power upgrade on the Dukedogs. It was not many more years before the GWR itself built the similarly-sized Grange and Manor lightweight 4-6-0s for its secondary lines.
Could you make a video about LNWR Claughtons? I've found some very conflicting reports about their performance and it would be interesting to find out the truth.
Yep, will second that. But for comparisions sake he ought to do the L&Y Rebuilt Hughes Dreadnoughts after it (not the original Dreadnoughts, of course, for obivous reasons 😉).
From the same people that brought you "bongos", prepare for: Dukedogs Edit: for a video suggestion,how about a video talking about the Franco Crosti 9Fs?
@@robertwilloughby8050 I wasn't aware that they were 'hated'. The poor forward vision was unpopular. ...And, of course, no matter how many times you say 'it isn't a feed-water heater... it isn't a feed-water heater', the Franco-Crosti boiler is STILL a feed-water heater.
@@tooleyheadbang4239 Oh, I (mostly) agree with you on that last point, but the water circulation in the boiler was appalling, so bad that the Franco-Crosti's had to be fire raised first on a morning, or else they wouldn't get to their jobs. Also that nasty chemical s - usually sulphur compounds - befouled the superheater elements due to the halting of the normal steam circuit, leading to superheater failure.
How to make a dukedog: grab a bulldog, rip off the chassis, slap a Duke base on there and boom you have a dukedog How to make an A4: grab a streamlined A3 rip off the chassis for later and find streamlining kits, use the kit for the A4 streamlining and make sure the bufferbeam is curved and the buffers can fit, and now place the chassis on and paint the wheels of your desired colour and make sure the outside cylinders are the colour of the body (minus the smokebox, it’s always black) and bada bing bada boom you have an A4
Axle loading I think is what he was talking about. Route availability is a combination of factors including loading gauge (will it fit?), axle loading (will it break the rails?), probably coal/water range (will it be able to run this route without running out of fuel/water between depots/water towers?) and others.
Since the A4's were mentioned, it's worth noting that NINE of the A4's were named after directors or senior officers of the LNER. Which adds a bit more 'edge' to the comparison with the Dukedogs. (Personally, I always thought [random Director's name] was a dreadful choice of names for an express engine. You want something inspiring, not some guy the passengers have never heard of).
Hang on. In Thomas the tank engine there is a character called Duke, he features in a story. I know I´m almost defiantly not the first person to think of this but it still surprised me.
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*Charles Collett, a locomotive designer Madlad*
He can ring my bell-ell-ell. Ring my bell.
K
Despite their comical appearance, I’ve seen a few of their time sheets and the logs of the runs they did. These things were no joke. Powerful (for their size), tough, and light makes for a formidable combination, who would’ve thought?
Just about every railroad in the United States up till like the 50s (possibly longer given N&W’s decision to hold onto their steam locomotives
"they say that I'm old fashioned, but I don't care"
-Edward
Scotland's 123:
Duke: this will suit his grace
do you see, that model is very similiar to molly's model
Watch that pride sir! It WILL come back to bite you.
It's always a lovely story when you have a class that survived into the 60s.
Then equally mind-boggling if you have one that survived into the 60s and then went extinct.
Basically most of the Norfolk and Western’s steam fleet here in the US
@@aphotographerfromcaliforni2661 thats a really good way of putting it lmao. That can be said for the Wabash and NYC as well
@@thegamingrhino5864 and basically all of the L&N (Louisville and Nashville) Fleet excluding a few carriages (for example a Combine car and a few coaches at the Kentucky Railway Museum and like One pacific class engine (which isn’t that big
One still exists.
As a child of about 8 or 9 I remember seeing one of the last two surviving Dukedogs, sitting on the centre road at the old Aberystwyth station. They've fascinated me ever since. About twenty minutes later I met one of the Vale of Rheidol engines - having never seen an outside framed engine (I grew up beside the Trent Valley main line) I was profoundly puzzled as to why neither engine had any wheels..... So there is a 50/50 chance that the engine I saw is the preserved example.
Am I the only person who thinks they actually look really nice?
Nope
Nah
No, they don't look bad at all, but they do not look exactly modern after 1936 standard.
I like them too!
No
LNER aristocrats: let us present to you our newest class of express engines, the A4!
*A4 pulls into the station impressively*
GWR aristocrats: let us show you OUR newest engine, the Earl class!
*Earl trundles into the station like some sort of Great Western Edward*
GWR aristocrats: ...
LNER aristocrats: *BRUH*
Charles Collett: laughing his ass off in the background
We can laugh now, but the fact that they lasted into the 60s says a lot about the design and shows this wasn't some random hack-job.
To be totally fair, an LNER director had his name put on a B1. And he was happy about it, being a fairly modest Scot.
Charles Collett be like: *we do a little trolling!*
@@robertwilloughby8050 Not just that, but NINE of the A4's were named after directors or senior officers of the LNER.
@@cr10001 I know. Sickening, isn't it? If they'd all been like Samuel Strang Steel, we wouldn't be quite so annoyed at them now......
So the Duke class had worn out parts and the Bulldog class was being retired so parts of the latter were used to upgrade the former? That's one way to utilize the resources at hand.
You know what this reminds me of, "Bongo"
:D
ha the B1s "Bongos"
Hehehehe..."Galloping Sausage"...
The GWR directors were probably less unhappy than you might think, because the Great Depression was on, and Collet wrung new life out of old parts. Rather the way the Great Northern Railway (U.S.A.) converted old Mallet locos into the heaviest 2-8-2 locomotives ever built, the Class O-8, also in the 1930s. Hard times call for desperate measures.
American trolling: Haha, we covered your house in toilet paper!
German trolling: **literally blows up house**
British trolling:
Coincidence that those are the nations that are currently in the default three TS add ons?
They do a little trolling
Welsh Trolling; *tf do you pronounce this*
They commited a act of annoyance
@@davidantoniocamposbarros7528 An*
Ya gotta love a good under "dog" story from time to time. Im sure the Chief Engineer there was fed up with all of the "Bull" he had to put with at work. Luckily he didnt end up "duking" it out with anybody over it.
Okay ill stop now.
No, keep going
The one Dukedog that was preserved (9017 Earl Of Berkeley) uses the frames of Bulldog 4-4-0 no 3425 and the boiler of Duke 4-4-0 no 3282 Chepstow Castle.
I'd have no gripe if one of those locos were named after me - they're beautiful.
We think of this now, but at the time they were seen as obsolete. The modern version might be naming a fleet of rusty old SD40-2s after company directors, who would rather their names be put on flashy new ES44C4s or something. SD40-2s are still great locomotives after all these years, but don't have the prestige of modernness.
Well, they did know how to save money. And they were evidently good engines. Pretty funny way to get one's own back at the directors.
I remember them going out of service but I never managed to see one in BR use. I was too young to see the last of the Bird class Bulldogs. It had never occurred to me that there was any intent to have 'un petit rire' at the directors...I'm so innocent and I knew that loco naming was very quirky to the point of insensitiveness anyway. Take Bongo and Pretty Polly for a start and the GWR once had an absorbed loco carrying the name 'Terrible'.
Bongo is the sixth locomotive of the LNER B1 'Antelope' class, 36 of which were named after 35 different species of antelope.
Pretty Polly, a Gresley A1 of April 1925, carried the name of the winner of the 1904 St. Leger stakes at Doncaster, as part of the LNER tradition of naming top-link engines after classic race-winning horses.
No fewer than eight Royal Navy warships have borne the name 'HMS Terrible', in the years between 1694-1947. The GWR 'Atbara' class locomotive of that name refers to the second of the two 'Powerful' class protected cruisers built in the 1890s. The first cruiser, 'Powerful', also gave its name to a locomotive of this class.
I'm at quite a loss to see why any of these categories of locomotive names should be considered either quirky or insensitive.
Beginning: engineer tf2 laughs at prince george
‘Old rich guy’ actually being the character Prince George from the sitcom ‘Blackadder’, played by Hugh Laurie.
@@technoandrew Hugh Laurie is a great actor
@@technoandrew fixed :p
1:51 *FERGUS IN THE BACKGROUND*
Bongos got a Sequel
Bongos 2: Day of the Dukedogs
@@alexomega0622yup
Had the pleasure of seeing the preserved Dukedog running at the Bluebell Railway in the past. Currently out of ticket waiting for overhaul I believe?
Correct
Yep. Last ran in 2011. There are plans to overhaul it though.
Kinda reminds me of the sileightie. Back in the 90s in Japan drifting/street racing was very popular and a popular choice was the Nissan 180sx. However if said owner of 180sx were to somehow damage the front end he would be left with a couple of choices of how to repair it. They could buy the 180sx front end but the 180sx happened to share the same chassis as the S13 silva which happened to be cheaper. Due to this it wasn't uncommon to see a 180sx with a S13 front end and such examples of these cars were nicknamed sileightie's a combination of the names Silvia and 180sx.
I dunno how appreciated rws/Thomas comments are around here, but man I wonder if this means Duke being a "bulldog" was awdry using Linda's leap to make a pun, after ALREADY naming Duke because of a story that was based on the name of the original dukes
him: explains about the names of random trains
the music: *undertale intensifies*
And also TF2 Engineer at the beginning lmao
@@manitoba-op4jx Yes
Is it weird for me to say a locomotive looks hot? XD
Ok but jokes aside, its quite rare finding a sleek looking locomotive that is also reliable.
there is just something about the Earl class that just looks so great, so right.
Its as if the Duke and bulldog classes were meant to be fused.
I love the GWR Dukedogs! Also TF2 Engineer at the beginning lol
I find it interesting that they give steam engines unusual names but interesting names.
The theme music for Sans from Undertale was PERFECT for this video. Props to you, dude!
I love you, I am subscribing to your channel because you used the Engineer from TF2, and Hugh Laurie as Prince George from Black Adder Season 3 in the same video and that is beautiful.
Not a GWR fan, but I have to admit the Dukedogs (and their predecessor Dukes) had a distinctive character.
I can imagine the reactions hahahah
Love this channel
the design is absolutely beautiful I love it sooo much
Glad to see pepole from back in the day also had a sense of humor
Duck : duke dog
Peter Sam and sir Handel : DUKE HAS A DOG
These were literally Edward's brothers and sisters lmao
Edward was a Furness Railway K2.
Duck: that's The great western Way
It sure is
Look at 1:10 , left side
@@Bigbigpoopi bruh what the hell
It’s duck
I honestly like the look of the Dukedogs, they give me FR K2 vibes :)
Long live Edward!!
The company owners should be glad they got locomotives named after them - if people were really spiteful they could have named goods wagons after them. And the CEO or whatever the big cheese's title is could have a works train lavatory car named for him.
Well there is one such example of people naming wagons after some important figure out of spite. But it is from Czechoslovakia. In 80's ČSD had ordered carriages from Eastern Germany and they are so awful to board that they are nicknamed Honecker's Revenge, or simply Honeckers, after then chancellor of East Germany.
The irony is, these double-framed engines dating back to the Dean era in design terms, had very strong frames whereas Churchward's more modern locomotives did not- and this problem was not rectified until Hawksworth created the "Modified Hall" class in 1944. Churchward's excellent 4300 moguls were already being used as donors for the Grange class in 1936 and a little later, the Manors as presumably, the frames were badly fatigued. Using these sturdy frames and attaching a lighter pre-Churchward boiler was a good idea and the fact they lasted until 1960 proves it even if they looked antiquated.
The A4s: cutting edge high speed express locomotives
The Earls: cut and shuts
I have found new respect for Charles Collett, on top of his already formidable achievements. 'E stuck it up 'em, 'e did.
I had wondered how they got their names. Apparently the GWR built many Hall class locomotives they were struggling for names by the time the last one were built.
Was there anything left but cracked and warped metal by 1960? They ran these engine parts to the very end. Recycling before it was cool.
They can say what they want, 9017 looks pretty good in that shiny black livery
Bongos distant cousin
How to troll le GWR:
Step 1: use Bulldog frame
Step 2: Use top of Duke class
Step 3: Le troll GWR
U mad m8?
Just goes to show that in the 1930s the GWR must have been quite short of cash. The relatively impoverished Highland Railway managed to build four 4-6-0 designs up to 1923 (excluding th the larger and heavier Rivers) which would probably have been within the weight limitations of the Cambrian lines. With a larger boiler and three driving axles a locomotive this size would have been a very decent power upgrade on the Dukedogs. It was not many more years before the GWR itself built the similarly-sized Grange and Manor lightweight 4-6-0s for its secondary lines.
Could you make a video about LNWR Claughtons? I've found some very conflicting reports about their performance and it would be interesting to find out the truth.
Yep, will second that. But for comparisions sake he ought to do the L&Y Rebuilt Hughes Dreadnoughts after it (not the original Dreadnoughts, of course, for obivous reasons 😉).
Love these videos mate
Oh come on, this music should clearly have been saved about the Rainhill Trials locomotive "Sans Pareil".
Of course, it would be everyone's turn to laugh at Collett's expense with his disastrous introduction of the 56xx.
Wait…What was up with the 56xx? From what I heard it was the most successful tank engine design ever created.
@@NMCAR2006 They were. Collett wanted a machine that would derail at every opportunity. The Welshmen called them "Pigs".
@@abloogywoogywoo ohhhhhhh. I gotcha.
From the same people that brought you "bongos", prepare for: Dukedogs
Edit: for a video suggestion,how about a video talking about the Franco Crosti 9Fs?
Ah yes, the "Frankly Crustys". Possibly one of the most hated engine sub-classes of all time.
@@robertwilloughby8050 hated? How come they're hated?
@@robertwilloughby8050 I wasn't aware that they were 'hated'.
The poor forward vision was unpopular.
...And, of course, no matter how many times you say 'it isn't a feed-water heater... it isn't a feed-water heater', the Franco-Crosti boiler is STILL a feed-water heater.
@@tooleyheadbang4239 Oh, I (mostly) agree with you on that last point, but the water circulation in the boiler was appalling, so bad that the Franco-Crosti's had to be fire raised first on a morning, or else they wouldn't get to their jobs. Also that nasty chemical s - usually sulphur compounds - befouled the superheater elements due to the halting of the normal steam circuit, leading to superheater failure.
1:16:
My favorite train, The 57XX Is in the background
Is it just me or do i like the design and name
God I live British humor
Duck: Dukes were fine and stately, but they've all been scraped.
I love these videos.
Duck: But I keep telling you, there are no dukes! They were fine and stately, but they've all been scrapped!
No one remembers company executives for decades unless they get trolled in a most excellent manner !
I like how he used The Engineer from TF2 in the video.
Edit (2023): also, one of my Thomas OC’s is based off of the GWR Earl Class.
Wow that was comprehensive detailed and interesting. Tell me you are writing a book!!!!!
How to make a dukedog: grab a bulldog, rip off the chassis, slap a Duke base on there and boom you have a dukedog
How to make an A4: grab a streamlined A3 rip off the chassis for later and find streamlining kits, use the kit for the A4 streamlining and make sure the bufferbeam is curved and the buffers can fit, and now place the chassis on and paint the wheels of your desired colour and make sure the outside cylinders are the colour of the body (minus the smokebox, it’s always black) and bada bing bada boom you have an A4
Blue Circle traction engine in the background.
I think these engines should also be called 'Frankensteins' because that what they essentially are.
i think there already was a 'frankenstein' class of engine by this time
Yeah, I learned that early on. Be careful of what you wish for, because it might actually happen.
Rich virgins: “NOOO, YOU CAN’T NAME A LOCOMOTIVE CLASS!!! IT’S AN ABSOLUTE HORRID NAME!!!!!”
Middle class chads: “hahahaha dukedog go brrrrrr”
Never thought I'd subscribe to a train channel
This looks like city of turo if someone was discribing it to you but can’t exactly make it obvious
Sans theme fits perfectly
Yes at the beginning there was a engineer gaming
“There are no Dukes!”
- Montague “Duck”
Grillbz said he would offer you a glass of water, but he doesn't touch the stuff.
Engineer: Yeehaw ya rich so of a bitch!
How very interesting , thanks 👍
That's top level shithousery right there!
Route Availability rather than Loading Gauge, right?
Axle loading I think is what he was talking about. Route availability is a combination of factors including loading gauge (will it fit?), axle loading (will it break the rails?), probably coal/water range (will it be able to run this route without running out of fuel/water between depots/water towers?) and others.
@@quillmaurer6563 Correct. But he definitely doesn't mean 'light loading gauge' at 0:17
Collett was a clever man.
Great!
Coffee Pots in my neck of the woods.
1:44 I think this is in Didcot. I live there and as its the base of the GWR museum that building looks frightfully familiar. 😂
Nice
Since the A4's were mentioned, it's worth noting that NINE of the A4's were named after directors or senior officers of the LNER. Which adds a bit more 'edge' to the comparison with the Dukedogs.
(Personally, I always thought [random Director's name] was a dreadful choice of names for an express engine. You want something inspiring, not some guy the passengers have never heard of).
Dukedog: BOI IM CONFUSED WTF?
Duke: this will never suit his grace
You know there is trolling about when San’s theme is being used in the video
"We do a bit of trolling"
- the GWR probably
nice
My all time favourite locomotive
1:15 In the background we can see duck from thomas and friends.
No
@@sirwelcome yes
@@boonie9448 If it was, I wouldn’t have said no
Name suggestion: Frankenstein Class
British do be doing a little bit of trolling
What the dog doin
That Undertale music tho:D
Why did I laugh at this?
Hang on.
In Thomas the tank engine there is a character called Duke, he features in a story.
I know I´m almost defiantly not the first person to think of this but it still surprised me.
I seem to recall that Duke was a 0-4-0T, very small (smaller even than Percy), so not one of this class.
@@quillmaurer6563 I know that, I´m just wondering if Awdry (The Author of Thomas) was inspired by the name.
Years built:1936-39
New Zealand is just full of those trains
Please talk about the merchant navy’s!!!
Who let the dogs out?
Dukes, dukes, dukes...
I heard the class was originally going to be called "The Capitalist Running Dog Parasites Living Off The Labours Of The Proletariat Class".
Imagine being the guy a wikam trolley named after
epic