The Historical Roots of Female Slavery | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- We have received many questions from you, our viewers, on the topic of female slavery. Of particular concern has been Daesh’s use of sex slaves - the group claims that this is in line with Islam. Let’s go back to the Quranic text and sit down with Dr. Shabir Ally to analyze and make sense of Islam’s perspective on female slavery.
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I’m from Lahore, Pakistan. After watching this, I left Islam.
Nice one !
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Khey Bhai what you are doing yaaar!!!!
''O you who have believed, whoever of you should revert from his religion - Allāh will bring forth [in place of them] a people He will love and who will love Him [who are] humble toward the believers, strong against the disbelievers; they strive in the cause of Allāh and do not fear the blame of a critic. That is the favor of Allāh; He bestows it upon whom He wills. And Allāh is all-Encompassing and Knowing'' --------- Good luck on your new journey
Ur just a drop of water in a ocean
The saddest part is reaction of women sitting in front of him
Women wake up atleast for basic dignity ,,
Wake up for live a life like a human 🙏🙏 Please
Actually, it's quite respectable that she continued to be civil. The point is to have a discussion over a sensitive topic and dissect it and expose the reality of the topic to the world. If she would've lost her cool, this discussion would never have happened.
Consent is important for a real detailed video watch th-cam.com/video/pR50Lw_16zo/w-d-xo.html topic starts at 22:17:00 appreciate your time
Yep as an ex muslim I know how she feels.
well go and worship the cow...do not interfere in our matter...u cant understand it
@@user-ey7lv4gs6b okay pet dog of below mid men 😂
Even a child could know that this is wrong.
Then prove it's wrong
Is not wrong
@@xo-hs6ix assalamualaikum.
@@SamirSiraj8542 I hope it's your sister or mother that's the slave!
Cannot believe that this discussion is taking place in the 21st century. Is it too much to expect that people use their own humanity and intelligence.
Derek ,there is no slavery in the system of the lord most of those so called mulims and their scholars are ignorant hypocrites
Certainly not
Derek Newbury bro read Quran first..
@abdelhakim mokhbat , so if the western world or the non islamic world used to do something bad , it doesn't mean they still have to do it or they cannot condemn it.
Derek Newbury
Islam does not allow slavery 90:13
Who is here after Satya Sanatan's video?✋🏻✋🏻
Me
I am
@Sahay Sahay Yes he finally accepted that it is wrong and should not be applied in this present generation.
But in this current generation also many are using these phrases as holy instructions of Allah to exploit women.
Me
Isn't one of the selling points of Islam that it is for all times? So how did Allah include such regressive things in it which were just contemporary practices, and then intend them for perpetuity?
islam focuses more on freeing slaves then endorsing it. and that it literally which abolished slavery in arabia over time. but rights of a slave still apply. since people today have servants dont they? they arent slaves ofcourse. but they work for you and you must treat them with respect, they become a part of your family. start thinking with perspective already
@kamal ks this is not islamophobia it is the Truth of this religion Shame on Muslims who still support slavery
I feel who r supporting this their mothers were also a slave
he literally didnt say anything wrong. he said classical thought viewed it like that because women were looked at lesser than. but islam slowly was removing that sentiment. it was tolerant but does not mean it endorses it entirely as its clear it was pushing to abolish slavery. he even says bringing it back is wrong. he explained it very well.
Off topic but love your Twitter.
Smart question.
At least he’s not denying or apologising for it like many other Muslims
We dont have any problem with it. Yes God allow us to have slaves. And now?
Yesh right?
Yeah right?
SchuelerCool well yeah you really should have a problem with it
At the end of the discussion he states that this was the case in the ancient world and should longer be practiced by today’s standards, did you watch the whole thing?
How easy would it have been for Quran to say "Oh Believers, Don't own people, it is wrong. period", but Alas.
god sees the pixel and we see the picture
look god is just when someone comes and start killing you and your people attacking you with no mercy without a reason you come and tell"" ahhh sweet heart come let me kiss you " they went to Muslims killed them and they expect that's it there is no punishment man god is the most compassionate the most merciful but at the same time he is the most just you can't kill and be involved at the killing then run away right ? you gotta pay for it
the term "slave" is something else at the time of mouhammed in america years ago slavery was there and racism if you thing this is the slavery that you're talking about then i am sorry you're wrong mate this is not the slavery that i am talking about and there are not "slaves" they were" hostages" what happened in the time of the prophet is not what is in your mind look:
people attacked the muslims because of hate so the muslims had to defend their self and within the war there was people they have been taken as hostages and it's not permissible to take them as hostages if you can't afford for them the best clothing the best food the best life it's not permissible if you don't treat them like you treat your self exactly like your self The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "No one of you becomes a true believer until he likes for his brother what he likes for himself".
and god says (((And Allah has favored some of you over others in provision. But those who were favored would not hand over their provision to those whom their right hands possess so they would be equal to them therein. Then is it the favor of Allah they reject?))) so if you don't give the hostage his money his not your hostage any more Islam in the Noble Qur’an revolutionized an unprecedented revolution in human history, because it destroyed a social-political system that supported this, and this was done on three parallel axes. What remains of servants is an affection for God, glory be to Him, so a women could actually say no to a relation ship she is not forced as you claimed and you are not forced to take a hostage you can just forgive and let him go you know in islam there certain sins that you do and to get rid of the sin you can free a slave i have a whole research that i made about how islam hated slavery and tried to remove it wanna see it ?
تخميرة report
@@kabeer8786 report what ?😂
would you have then believed in Allaah? if the Quran said that.
It's amazing how long Islamic teachers spend telling people that the Quran means something other than what it actually says. A very peculiar philosophy!
That is so strange to me. It’s perfect, yet no one can understand it unless someone twists the words for them. Hmmm.
I know it says red, but that actually means blue. 😂
@@englishlessonswithtracy1488
24:31-32
I rest my case
@@nothanks8594 what case is that?
@@englishlessonswithtracy1488
Slaves
@@englishlessonswithtracy1488 it's perfect for perfect minds not twisted minds like yours
When Muslims say you're missing the context and the context makes it worse 😂🙄
It doesn't make it worse
Like honestly
@SamirSiraj8542 Makes it alot worse. He said female slaves have no right to give consent.
That's seriously messed up😂😂😂
As a woman she is not phased by this wickedness. Smdh. Wonder how she would feel to be one of those slaves/concubines?
he literally didnt say anything wrong. he said classical thought viewed it like that because women were looked at lesser than. but islam slowly was removing that sentiment. it was tolerant but does not mean it endorses it entirely as its clear it was pushing to abolish slavery. he even says bringing it back is wrong. he explained it very well.
@@shlovaski8393 the fact it was tolerant was the problem, I dont care if islm was slowly removing that sentiment, many women already suffered from that sentiment before it was removed because of islam.
@@raizodono6517 islam calls for moral uprightness, harming anyone unlawfully who are innocent is Haram with a capital H
@@shlovaski8393 dont fool us😂😂
@@elorebenyame2016 yes I am homosapien
I refuse to believe this isn’t satire. I’m 17 and know this is wrong.
Reforms in Islam is not possible. It's law of Allah.
@@elorebenyame2016 yes
Prove it's wrong
It's not wrong
I understand that I need to respect different cultures and viewpoints, and I will..
The only exception is where when they support things like these.
@@Md-vo2vbI don't know, and I didn't say I'm a Hindu. Even if I am one, I should still admit that every religion/dogma should be open them criticism
@@Md-vo2vb exactly!
You're trying to analyse religion with an open mind from whatever knowledge you got.
You should try to apply this critical thinking to every sort of ideology with a clear, open mind. We'll also improve our knowledge in this process.
This way, we can be sure we aren't being brainwashed by anyone or any ideology.
At the end of the discussion he states that this was the case in the ancient world and should longer be practiced by today’s standards, did you watch the whole thing?
@@hitemup604 such things are never justified in my opinion. I don't think god would actually give such revelations to humans.
The problem is that god's word is considered by followers to be applicable at all times and places, what Mr. Shabbir ally said at the end is his opinion of it.
My friend. I wonder if you would agree to a video/audio call to discuss this particular issue. You see, by the way you write, I sense a bundle of intelligence and if someone is really asking questions then it is our duty to provide an answer. I’m sorry but this Video is somewhat of an apologetic attempt trying to branch Islam into a “classical” and “today’s Islam” versions. That is not fair to the truth. I would like to tell you what Islam tells us about this issue and then you can be the judge as to what makes sense. I know it’s a big ask. But if you want to know the truth, I would be honoured. Also, please don’t form your view on Islam from such a video. If you decline my invitation I would, alternatively, guide your research into the matter by providing this very nice lecture full with references on Islamic literature and the Quran. www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/94840
For me this is the straw that broke the camels back, I wasn't certain about leaving Islam but this sealed the deal.
I was impressed by your honest take on the issue.
No need be ashame. Islam is the true Religion of God. So we dont need be ashams .
It is sad that you expected otherwise
Impressed and disgust at the same time
@@MB-tb6jy The reason people are surprised is because there are many Muslims and non-Muslim liberals who try to just say "This has nothing to do with Islam" instead of acknowledging it's in the Qur'an and hadiths, siras, tafsir, etc
The maulanas should be ashamed of themselves and their usless mentality
And let me tell you that this guy is a moderate Iman, as an exmuslim I really encourage liberal westerns read the Quran or to do some research about Islam before having an opinion, don't let anybody manipulate your opinion about this religion, just read about, you'll find out how horrible and disgusting this religion is, but don't listen to me, do your own research and of course don't believe Muslims
Liberal and ex muslim definitely explain how you sees Islam. Throw me which one was disgusting islamic teaching.. I will reply anything. :)
@@dreamycloud7167 Verse 98:6
@@dreamycloud7167 can you explain that?
you probably haven't understood the concept. this video: th-cam.com/video/HK-n3-iwbjU/w-d-xo.html
is also Dr. Shabir. I feel like he explains it better here than in this video and shows what Islam's view is on slavery and servants. please remember the time period and that worse slavery occurred in other parts of the world. and finally, Islam in no way accepts concubines today as it was only applicable to those times. there are other examples in which this occurs (verses are only applicable during that time) but what is important is the main message, to free the slaves and treat them humanely. the interpretations vary due to human error and truthfully their interpretation is not the word of God, if you really want to understand a concept read the Quran for yourself, Allah is legislate.
@@shirin2909 This video is very clear
Nice to see you being honest about the reality of Islam. Remember when we don't want more Islam in the west it is because of these things, not some bigoted nonsensical hate
@kamal ks haha now playing victim card
@kamal ks
No one fears Islam, it's simply disliked for its barbarism.
Big difference.
you probably haven't understood the concept. this video: th-cam.com/video/HK-n3-iwbjU/w-d-xo.html
is also Dr. Shabir. I feel like he explains it better here than in this video and shows what Islam's view is on slavery and servants. please remember the time period and that worse slavery occurred in other parts of the world. and finally, Islam in no way accepts concubines today as it was only applicable to those times. there are other examples in which this occurs (verses are only applicable during that time) but what is important is the main message, to free the slaves and treat them humanely. the interpretations vary due to human error and truthfully their interpretation is not the word of God, if you really want to understand a concept read the Quran for yourself, Allah is legislate.
@@shirin2909 dude 'worse slavery occurred...' they crushed the ballsack of slaves, castrated them. There is no 'worse slavery', i can't believe you are trying that line.
Slavery is wrong, your moral compass Mohammed had slaves and concubines he raped. Sorry dude but im not going to change my mind and decide that your Mo was a good man whose actions should be emulated.
I've read the quran thanks, best I can say it is was shorter than the Bible.
@@RichardEnglander the most dumbest logic slavery was present everywhere , even murders rapes , robbery was common , I just have a problem that How can a God who should be morally correct justifies it.
I'm confused about Islam, is it suitable for the current times?
What's there to be confused about?
Ahmad Abdullateef
Islam is living in the dark ages .lts not fit for a modern civilised World .it should be banned .
@@cathyb2967 Why you confusing Islam with Christianity? Your knowledge on Islam is none existent as best so taking you seriously is not on my agenda really. But let's keep playing this game. What is so backwards about Islam?
@justice Change Playing games? Your ignorance about my religion is entertaining enough. No need for me to play games.
@justice Change What's this about 72 virgins now?
After watching this video, I am leaving Islam
thats pathetic. no further inquiry? no reconsideration, just up and go? seems like you were looking for an excuse to leave. he literally didnt say anything wrong. he said classical thought viewed it like that because women were looked at lesser than. but islam slowly was removing that sentiment. it was tolerant but does not mean it endorses it entirely as its clear it was pushing to abolish slavery. he even says bringing it back is wrong. he explained it very well.
Shlovaski why was it allowed in the first place? An all knowing god would not allow that
Yep. This is one of the reasons why I left Islam too. Good choice, good luck.
@@Saaa604 havent you read about the mathematical miracle of the quran. Its statistically impossible. Day is mentioned 365 times, days 30 times, year 19 times 7 times in singular which is the number of lunar years in a metonic cycle etc. There are literally 1000s of these. Look uo the symmetrical structure of surah and verses in the quran. You cant even begin to imagine how the quran establishes its authority even for non arabic speakers.
Good
This is a bitter pill to swallow. Muhammad had no idea his religion would go so far (if he existed as referenced).
Very true well said that man was the pure evil 👿
He ﷺ gave prophecy of future of islam and it became true.
It's not a bitter truth to swallow at all. It's totally normal
Daesh was following the classical Quranic injunctions supportive of female slavery. That's understood. But how does Islam reform, renounce, modernize or contextualise those kind of Quranic statements for today's world? That's the more important question. The scholar Dr. Shabbir Ali seemed to personally be opposed to slavery. But how do Islamic scholars deal with many such verses today?
Unless these Quranic verses are rejected, Islam is in deep trouble.
You obviously can't reform the words of God!
(sarc off)
@@bapibupi829 One can do much reinterpretation to stop taking the literal meaning and use figurative meanings.
But if that's (reinterpretation etc.) is not done for Islam, then Islam is done for ....
@@raghavkumar00
I agree. I was being sarcastic in my comment.
Blessings!
this video: th-cam.com/video/HK-n3-iwbjU/w-d-xo.html
is also Dr. Shabir. I feel like he explains it better here than in this video
bro be open minded , slavery was very common during old times don't judge the past with the lens of present
Even if it was common practice at the time there’s no reason to believe that owning a human being is ethical. (By the way just because something was historically common that doesn’t mean it is automatically moral or even fair) Even if the true relationship was more like ‘employed housemaid and childminder’ because the ‘slave ‘owner’ has the mindset that a human is property than it is inevitable that situations like rape arises. Shabir Ali also mentioned that even wife’s were forced upon so slave women had basically no chance. I’m sorry but that’s just unacceptable.
I know morality can be grey and confusing but in my opinion rape IS wrong, it ALWAYS WAS wrong and it ALWAYS WILL BE wrong point blank period
bro be open minded , slavery was very common during old times don't judge the past with the lens of presence
@@MrKhan-ro2bd this would be easier to do if muslims didn't say that the quran is still perfect and muhammad was the most perfect human
@@celinesayner9585 it was perfect then , will be perfect now and in the future. it is better live with only one man than to be a prostitute, the women whose huaband were killed in the war or their homes were destroyed only had these options--- stealing , prostitution, living with a man with dignity as slave( this english term carries with it the background of western slavery which the muslim world never had.)our prophet said " feed ur slaves what u eat and dress them what u wear" i challenge u to point out any religion who said this 1400 years ago , even 300 years ago.
@@MrKhan-ro2bd i agree with you that its in most if not all religions. But do you believe that an all powerful God couldn't have created a fourth option? Why couldn't the men use some of their zakat to support these destitute women? I'm not saying this from a disrespectful place, I've been interested in Islam but this is the one issue I can't get over
@@celinesayner9585 Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحِيمِ، حَدَّثَنَا دَاوُدُ بْنُ رُشَيْدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ مُسْلِمٍ، عَنْ أَبِي غَسَّانَ، مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ مُطَرِّفٍ عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ أَسْلَمَ، عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ حُسَيْنٍ، عَنْ سَعِيدٍ ابْنِ مَرْجَانَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ " مَنْ أَعْتَقَ رَقَبَةً مُسْلِمَةً، أَعْتَقَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ عُضْوٍ مِنْهُ عُضْوًا مِنَ النَّارِ، حَتَّى فَرْجَهُ بِفَرْجِهِ ".
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "If somebody manumits a Muslim slave, Allah will save from the Fire every part of his body for freeing the corresponding parts of the slave's body, even his private parts will be saved from the Fire) because of freeing the slave's private parts."
Sahih
Sahih al-Bukhari, 6715
In-Book Reference: Book 84, Hadith 8
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 8, Book 79, Hadith 706 (deprecated numbering scheme)
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freeing a slave was highly encouraged i suggest you to watch on youtube " slavery in islam by yasir qadhi" , god willing ur all doubts will be cleared.
I’m actually surprised at how honest he was about this....like actually super surprised....but this is real islam 🤷🏾♀️
he literally didnt say anything wrong. he said classical thought viewed it like that because women were looked at lesser than. but islam slowly was removing that sentiment. it was tolerant but does not mean it endorses it entirely as its clear it was pushing to abolish slavery. he even says bringing it back is wrong. he explained it very well.
@@shlovaski8393 nah
@@PRINCESS2527 yes. He was simply stating the sentiment at that time. The prophet is an example for us and its clear in his character his stance on this.
@@shlovaski8393 nah 😑
@@PRINCESS2527 do yourself a favour and watch my most recent video
One very sad thing I am slowly beginning to realise with our ummah is that we don't want to discuss controversial subject and many of us would either want to sugar-coat it or try to defend it from their limited understanding and that can be a downfall. Now I'm not specifically talking about this topic alone but in general. Like the hudd punishments. Many Muslims tend to go into this apologetic mode where instead of discussing the reasons and wisdom behind such a punishments they will instead try to inform people that it would be near-impossible to produce four witnesses. Such things leave the wisdom out of the equations and often leave questions unanswered for those who may even be struggling. As for the topic in the video, it is rarely discussed and as a result enemies of Islam have an easy time picking our verses and narration out of context to spread false rumours which could have been avoided if only this was discussed more often. The issue of slavery is usually addressed by Muslims just stating that it is found in the Bible/Torah too. How will that help a agnostic, a Hindu or a Buddhist who is thinking of taking the shahadah? We should discuss more often of what the laws of and rights of slaves are in Islam just like we discuss the laws and rights of women or children in Islam. And though it may be officially banned in most countries,it still happens, and it still is brought up, especially by Islamophobes who will say about anything and mix falsehood therein. The bottom line I'm trying to say is that if we don't speak up more about this things then the wrong people will speak up. This message goes specifically out to those knowledgeable in any given controversialtopic in Islam.
I’m sorry but I can’t wrap my head around how an almighty loving god would allow this to happen to his fellow creations.. I’m too young to be married but I just can’t imagine someone coming into my house, killing my husband, taking my children and r@ping me. Slaves are humans too, they have feelings. Now if this was not true, like I’m seeing from the comment section, why couldn’t the author of the Quran make it clear that it’s not allowed so that people don’t have to have different interpretations to it, and prevent these women from being r@ped all together. Why are we getting different answers from many Muslims. This also goes for child marriage.
It very much is true. Islamic slavery enslaved millions of African women, European women, Turkic women (before they converted), Asians and many others. Unlike European chattel slavery, Islamic slavery was centred around capturing women for use as described. It’s history, and a simple Wikipedia search of ‘history of slavery in the Islamic world’ will confirm as much. Truth is Islam and other Abrahamic religions are just manmade and products of their time; slavery of captured women for their bodies as war booty was a very normal thing in medieval Arabia, hence Islam allows it.
savage barbarianism 4:06 you can see the woman's face drop. she understands this is insanity.
Imagine your mother is taken as slave and has no right to say no to her master. I wonder how many Muslim boys would stand there and do nothing?
Islam is long overdue for a reformation.
Legends say, the host left Islam after this interview.
😂😂sahbir ally is true Muslim 😂😂
Why? S lav£ry is fully normal
@@SamirSiraj8542 Only for flat-earth theory believer terrorists. For the rest of us humans, it is completely against human rights.
@@MarendraNodi5.6-inch never said anything about flat earth
@@MarendraNodi5.6-inch who decides what's Human right? Some human decided it. You can't prove what we believe as wrong
So this is the proof that Quran is not a word of God...
Because if it was, then God would have given everyone equal status and would have stopped all the evil customs.
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28 ❤️
Slavery is described in the Bible as a historical event that happened but we are Christians are not permitted to take slaves. Any “Christian” who has owned a slave is not following Jesus.
Who decided that God would give everyone equal status? Who decided what's evil?
The more I listen to Muslim teachers like this guy the more I understand why Nabeel Qureshi and other Muslims converted to Christianity.
I am ex muslim too. I accepted Christ as my Saviour and my Lord. He truly is. Islam is soooooo manipulative, violent and disappointing. Jesus is the Lord. Amen✝️
As if Bible doesn't have slavery 😂😂😂😂
@@ALJ1HAD sure. If you read Paul's message to Philimon, he ask to look to a former slave as brother not slave. The bible and Christianity literally brought freedom from the slavery.
@@WoGduo
Hadith of prophet Muhammad SA ask us to treat slave as brothers
Sahih Al Bukhari 30
I actually love this channel. It is one of my favorites.
For those who may be wondering. Islam is quite flexible and it one of the religions that lasted this long and continues to grow at a consistent rate because it is. As times change and people and societies evolve, Islam is able to continue to make sense to a lot of people. I am not religious, but I am a historian and a cultural anthropologist- So I see it from this perspective. Take concubinage and slavery for example. When the Quran was revealed, this was the common practice all over the world and in nearly every society (except for isolated societies who were still hunter-gatherers/foragers (which tended to be very egalitarian). So it's a no brainer why things like concubinage and slavery are mentioned in the Torah, Bible, AND Quran.
That being said, I have seen a lot of verses in the Quran that also talk about freeing slaves when a prisoner of war is integrated into the new society, and also freeing/marrying female concubine slaves. In today's world things are vastly different. There is actually more peace and stability due to a generally more evolved code of justice and enforcement of laws in a lot more regions than there were in the times of the Quran. Also, conquering and colonization is extremely taboo all over the world nowadays (when it wasn't in the past.) I know it does not seem like it sometimes, but this is actually the truth of it. There are also less wars. As mentioned, the age of conquests has pretty much disappeared and was replaced by colonization, but even colonization is not as common as it once was.
The whole point of slavery among most societies was to preserve human life and it was also an archaic tool of assimilation. When a people were conquered, typically one of two things happened- 1. Most people were executed. Especially men. or 2. People were enslaved. It was a way for the society as a whole to feed, clothe, educated, and assimilate a conquered people. There are different kinds of slavery and I think most people think of the US slavery of African peoples when they think of slavery. That kind of slavery was permanent and chattel slavery. Most slavery of the ancient history and times of antiquity were more akin to indentured servitude, rather than chattel slavery. Most slavery was not permanent. Slaves were taught the language of their new society and they were taught trades. Many were apprentices who were eventually integrated, freed, and given citizenship status of some sort.
Women in most places in the world, until very recently, depended on men for their survival. They depended on the men in their tribe, they fathers, uncles, brothers, ect... And their husbands. In a lot of places today, women do not necessarily have to rely on men at all. But they did during the time when the Torah, Bible, and Quran were introduced. Also, this is not just a Abrahamic tradition. You can probably count on one hand societies that are not patriarchal, patrilineal, and/or patrilocal. It's just is what it is. Even a lot of atheist in the world still have patriarchal, patrilineal, and/or patrilocal customs and practices no matter how hard they try to deny it or avoid having them. It has just been ingrained in us for tens of thousands of years.
Why allowed s*x with slaves that too without consent?????
Excuses. Also, Persia at the time had no slavery since Cyrus the Great banned it, and slavery was an alien institution to India till Islam brought it. And as for applications of slavery, it meant things like Barbary Pirates robbing women from Greek islands and selling them to be used in some haram of a Muslim man, instead of being allowed to live her life in her village and marry a man and raise kids and be happy. That isn’t life preservation like you claim, that’s just sick.
@@user-nv5ve9ld7t No one is making excuses here. Just telling facts of different customs and different periods in history of different regions. What you said does not contradict any of it.
WHAT.
Yeah... many of them who call Islam religion of peace have necer tead entir Quran
Ajay Agarwal
you obviously havent read any of the quran
i can guarantee that
@@ajayagarwal9958 I can bet that you haven't read either. For now, learn some English
@kamal ks maybe you should join your Indian friend and learn English together 😷 You guys are bringing shame to the second largest English speaking nation 😔 I couldn't even understand a single word you said
@@suleimandeadaccount6225 bro, he is not Indian. In some other comments he told that he is from Pakistan....
9:42 Well obviously the encouragement of freeing slaves didn't lead to Islam being the first ending slavery but Muslims following the west with ending slavery.
Doesn't that already prove Islam wrong though and far from a perfect system?
Well yeah. These MFs were selling and buying little 9 year old girls in market - in the 20th century. There’s old video footage of old men buying little young girls - for obvious reasons 🤢
Islam doesn't abolish it. Islam can't be changed. It's perfect system
@@SamirSiraj8542 Great, so the perfect system allows slavery, which is one of humanity's worst part of history.
@@rawkeeper7601 worst part for you guys as you didn't treat your s laves well. Our prophet ﷺ said '$laves are your brother that Allah has put under your command so give them what you eat , clothe them with what you wear , don't burden them with things they can't do if you do then help them' , he ﷺ also said 'evil $lave master won't enter paradise.'
@@rawkeeper7601 definitely Islam is perfect
He says women did nt have rights at the time
So untrue
They r just talking about their own society
Exactly polyandry was also a thing women did work and dressed however they wanted until islam came and restricted all of this
This guy is representing absolute savages who deserve their inevitable fate and are destined to continue to lose.
@@elorebenyame2016 Yes, I don't support those who advocate or rationalize human slavery. And, they are destined to lose. Have a nice day.
Who decides what's savages? What's wrong with being one? Prove it's wrong
Who decides what's savages? What's wrong with being one? Prove it's wrong
I have formed a video response, will link below.
an excellent response it is too
Where?
@@randomhuman2595 it got deleted by the channel
@@abuibu Why?
@@randomhuman2595 Likely embarrassment at having their position seem flawed and illogical
The Quran nowhere permits men to have sexual relations with female slaves without consent and with no dowry/ payment. In fact the Quran in Surat Al Nisa says: .....then marry from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls. And Allah is most knowing about your faith. You [believers] are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. ..." So she needs to be 1. believing, 2. a dowry/ payment needs to be given and 3. her family/ people need to be informed of the marriage. Interesting that 2 verses later Allah SWT says ".... but those who follow their passions want you to digress into a great deviation." Fiqh books that are 1000 years old mention that female slaves are less in status and intellect and one can engage in intercourse freely as she is his possession. What she believes does not come into play. This is totally against what the Quran says. May Allah guide us to the truth.
This guy is really confused he cannot Quote from Quran or other Authentic Sources of sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him May Allah protect us from these kinds of misleading Scholars they are giving their ignorant opinion which is not islam
Can you both reply here stating the recent beheading of French Teacher was WRONG? And the entire group of people behind the assasin should be punished?
.... I see you cannot. Rest my case. EITHER YOU ARE WITH US or AGAINST US.
It is a religion born out of ignorance, leads blind followers into a deep ditch of eternal damnation. What a sad, outmoded and anti-reason religion! Sad.
@@bikes1458 it is wrong and we don’t claim them
@@mohammedfazrin3862the comment above is wrong
Sorry,,,,after saw it I'll say say and say Very shameful religion it is
Not at all. Perfect religion
I have never found that a women talking directly about slave and sexual relation with Prophet and else
It is related to women totally how is that a problem ?
That's her father explaining this
What?
As a woman I feel so empowered by this!! I totally don’t feel degraded!!!!!!!!!!!!!😀😍☪️💜
Hahaha 😅 😅
If only I'm a Mslim man, I'd still shamelessly tell you - Please read the Quran once my dear sister, May Allah guide you Lolol
@@Gdotdot090 go to hell lol
@@kiyam4359 Heaven is more fun sister. Very very beautiful women for men. But for women, ah ah, y'all get nothing again :p
Lose on earth & lose on heaven too 😅
@@Gdotdot090 of course ur a man
@@kiyam4359 Haha sorry, was just pushing the satire
Women deserve all the rights, respect and opportunities that have long been unfairly stolen by men
Peace, love and respect x
Take cares 🙃🙃
How can it be you don't realise that you follow a system that allows slavery? How can it be you have no problems with that?
Cause nothing wrong with it
@@SamirSiraj8542 If there is nothing wrong with slavery, why are muslims contradicting god by forbidding that which he deemed halal?
@@djaxx587 cause those muslims are ignorant. They are wrong. It's halal . The real reason we don't do it cause there's no reason to do it. It's still halal and will always be halal. All muslim scholars unanimously agree that it's halal
Not really related to female slavery.... but I have always wondered if Dr. Shabir Ally's daughters are allowed to follow their father as Quranic scholars and teachers if they so chose. I know there are female speakers but do not know of any female Quranic scholars or teachers. Help?
th-cam.com/video/DR7_YQ53lfI/w-d-xo.html
I left islam
6:06 priceless look
There is nothing holy about the Quran or its teachings. Islam treats women like cattle. There is nothing 'peace be upon him' about Muhammad. How can people believe this stuff?
Thank you Shabbir Ali for being honest about the topic
Not Muslim woman, only unbeliever woman is taking as slaves. This is different.
Exactly !
@While we were yet sinner, Christ died for us which verse.. Which hadith.. Which sirah?
@@SchuelerCool Oh that's indeed comforting... 🙄 Eh disgusting
Cope. Everything about teaching of Islam is holy. Your morality is subjective
A slave may buy himself from his master and be free. If a person is enslaved for some reason but then it becomes apparent that he has given up his wrongdoing and forgotten his past, and he has become a man who shuns evil and seeks to do good, is it permissible to respond to his request to let him go free? Islam says yes, and there are some fuqaha’ who say that this is obligatory and some who say that it is mustahabb. This is what is called a mukaatabah or contract of manumission between the slave and his master. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), give them such writing, if you find that there is good and honesty in them. And give them something (yourselves) out of the wealth of Allaah which He has bestowed upon you” [al-Noor 24:33]
This is if the s lave has become a good muslim. Or else no need to free
Jazak Allah Khair. Nice explanation!
You mean nice justification of slavery.
@@aesthetic15912 so what? It's totally justified
One thing to add. Islam doesn't change . So, s lavery is still halal
I liked this video thank you. Very informative if you watch until the end, the brother is speaking the truth.
Islam doesn't change
Islam doesn't change. No one can change it
What about you cannot inherit women against their will.
What does islam say will means.
😢
I'm sorry
Aisha Khaja are you okay?
After an interview like that I would be scared senseless...
Why? Nothing to be sacred about
I love this man for his honesty
Honesty about the rotten teachings of quran
@@kumargautam8902 nothing rotten at all. Totally fine
@@kumargautam8902isis is rotten not islam
And this doesnt interfere with community guidelines meh
Machallah, a subject that much complicated and controversial explained that well and objectively !!!!
Slavery. MASHALLAH.
@@-----------g- what do you mean ? I dont get if you are sarcastic or honest?
@@abdullahatalan3064 Audhobillah why would I be sarcastic? That's makrooh.
@@-----------g- lol
@@-----------g- s lavery so what?
Not a clear video, there are several things which Dr Shabbir didn't mention
@@kanizfatima1377 I never heard of this lord thing either, such things are said in Hindu mythology. I think Dr Shabbir Ally misspelt it or something else
@@kanizfatima1377 thank you for sharing all these btw
@@kanizfatima1377 yeah, he isn't usually clear with whatever he explains. Lol
@@kanizfatima1377 jazak Allahu Khair sister. Good hear that I'm pretty famous 😅
He said the word for husband literally meant "lord"
JazakAllah khayran that was great
@Muezaa Blessed 🤔Ooh really? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yyour brains are rusted like hell 🤮Islam is waste.🖕🖕🖕
just keep yourself or daughters in their shoes would you accept to get abducted taken against you will and rpd forcefully no 1 would die but not this. our prophet never did this it was completely differnt but thses practices were misused by loads of 👹criminals who were muslims what bothers me is such 😈dont deserve paradise who hv oppresed girls just because they were pretty . example rashidun ummayad and ottoman sxadd ict rp1st.
@@hellonida s lavery is halal. The prophet ﷺ, the sahabas did it and it's halal by consensus of scholars
@@hellonida in Islam, definition of πape is different. So, man f0rc1ng h1mself on his female s laves isn't considered πape in Islam
Wow good information❤☪️🥰
This isn’t marketing Islam very well, so sad.
But it's true
Least he’s being honest about the books and what his prophet himself did..
This is outrageous
Not at all
@@SamirSiraj8542 not outrageous for you and your sister may be ..... but we are civilized people ...... please keep your nose to your mother's p*ssy...... katwa kahika
@@SamirSiraj8542if my religion allows me to hv sx slaves. If i make your mom sis and wife my slaves...would it be a problem to you?
She have a such a beautiful eyes
How can a believing woman be a slave? Can a Muslim enslave another Muslim?
Maybe before Islam, but not after Islam
@@AhmedAl-Haddadi They did that in the East African coast. Arab Muslims enslaving black African Muslims
@@maimunahassan You have to read Bilal's story
In Islamic history
@@AhmedAl-Haddadi The thing that happened to Bilal has nothing to do with what happened in EA coast in the 19th&20th century. I’m saying Muslim Arabs enslaving Muslim Africans not the pagans of pre-Islamic or beginnings of Islamic history vs. Bilal.
@@maimunahassan
You not are reading the hadith of the Muslim, is the brother of the Muslim
don't hurt him
I love how you approached this topic: presenting the information and dissecting it (while also being honest and transparent). Thank you. We don't need to hide our religion, just understand it properly. Hopefully it'll bring us closer to Allah and ward off Islamophobes when they try to corrupt our faith using the 'Quran' but we must begin with honest between ourselves.
Yes Brother alhamdulillah that we are Muslims
He is wrong that s lavery is wrong or shouldn't be practiced . Islam doesn't change
A good leader lead by example. Did the prophet give example by not owning /using slaves at all?
He had a slave. She was a coptin christian from egypt. Her name was Maria.
Prophet had NO slaves he only freed slaves Quran 9:13!
Maria was a slave lady but the Prophet got married to her as part of setting example for people to marry slave ladies as a part of thier freedom and protection
And .... Thankyou 🙏
@@haitamc5611 I know the story about her.
Serfraz Qayyum read surah 33 verse 50
Serfraz Qayyum how can someone free slaves he does not own?
Can't believe this kind of discussion is even happening, what the interviewing woman must be thinking? He calls himself as doctor? This is regressive, please everyone report this video!
Dont report, let the world see it.
In the beginning did she say Islam view on contraband?
Yep!
Concubine
Great article!
Allah will bless you and your family. The allah will guide all of us. Thank you Dr.
Allah hate women
Islam doesn't change
Slavery has not been abolished by the Quran ,just preach to be kind to them ,with the passage og time it came to an end.In the subcontinent it was abolished by Raja Ashoke ,the Buddhist ruler while in America by Abraham Lincolin,the great
i never found references of prescribed slavery even before Ashoka.
Read about Dalits lol.
Sanatan HINDU Dharma is most beautiful religion in this world
🙄🙄🙄
ISLAM IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL RELIGION IN THE WORLD AND THE ONLY RELIGION ACCEPTABLE TO YOUR AND MY CREATOR, ALLAAH.
It's better to believe in one God than believing in thousands
@@asoorahammed4836 Why?
What the heck is this? I thought Islam doesn’t condone slavery???
You've been lied my friend. Welcome to reality.
thought being the key word in that statement friend :`( . Ik i m a muslim too its tough.. but I am starting to see islam for what it really is...
i might be able to explain a little, if you can listen
Dr. Ally is really trying but ins't honest, sorry.
Why?
Hulkster
Let me tell you something brother
There is no slavery in Islam so what you gonna do when Quran 90:13 runs wild all over you 💪🏼😂
@@nothanks8594 There was slavery in Islam man. It was very common. They were treated with a lot more dignity than in the west but it was still slavery. Freeing slaves is a big part of the religion and was one of the most common ways to repent. But now it's gone and that's a good thing.
Haitam chouiekh
There was slavery in the society! Not in Islam!!!
Islam does not allow to make a slave but free a slave etc
Slavery was in the world and Islam has to deal with it by systematically stopping it
There is NO slavery in Islam
And .... Thank you 🙏
@@haitamc5611 bh
Service and slavery are the same thing. Also Hagar was not a concubine . but Abrahams second wife. captivity is forbid in Islam
Michael .Stott. Captivity is forbidden in Islam? What have you been smoking? How do you think Muhammad married Safiya? How do you think he raped and managed to have a son with his slave Maria the Copt who he didn't even marry? I bet this was taqiyalised to you by the Muslim who converted you?
Azhania Orgena Within than context slavery was a norm at that time. Not even the disbelievers found it a in argument by it cuz it was a norm. If you didn’t watch the video. Shabir explaining that it was within that context and now we don’t find these acts in any Muslim country.
What? Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden. Read the Bible which clearly states this and not the Quran's rip off version.
Captivity in war is halal. Service and s lavery aren't same thing in Islam
Lol ... Perfect book creates confusion, verses not clear ... WTF
He is talking about the interpretations of some scholars, which happen to be wrong, as he states at the end. But Dr. Ally sadly fails in clarity this time.
this video: th-cam.com/video/HK-n3-iwbjU/w-d-xo.html
is also Dr. Shabir. I feel like he explains it better here than in this video
He has a PhD in interpretation of Quran. He is more than qualified.
Then why this thing has been practiced since the revelation of Qur'an?
S lavery is halal by consensus of scholars
He is right except that it's halal for all times
I really like Shabir but this was one of his weakest video! More context and research was needed when Quranic text was quoted! Please refer to Ghamdhi videos for much better explanation on the this topic!
Why did he say this. Astagfirullah
I respectfully disagree with you Shabir on the notion if women not having the right to consent. As far as what I have come across, rape is haram and women had a word in whether or not they would want to consent to even marriage. I have even come across ahadith which support that in regards to consent to marriage. Also, we man are ordered to no be harsh or mean towards slaves. We aren't even allowed to strike them.
In Islam, definition of πape is different . A man f0rc1ng h1mself on his w1ves or his female s lav£s isn't considered πape in Islam.
We are allowed to discipline s laves if they disobey
Slaves have no consent in Islam because Islam views them as already owned by Master.
Anyone who doesn't watch this video until the end would get the impression that Dr. Ally believes that slavery, including sexual slavery, is approved of in Islam. Early on he spoke only of the classical interpretations of the Quran. Only at the end does he point out that if slavery was ended, as Allah apparently intended, the issue becomes moot because no Muslim would own a slave. He should nave led with that, then gone back and discussed the history of concubinage within Islam.
so the all powerful god had to adapt to the cultural norms of the time? nonsense. if muhamed was a real profit he could have just said any form of slavery is forbidden.
You have the wrong interpretation. God tolerated and framed a human practice but gave dispositions that if followed, would have made the practice disappear. God in His infinite wisodm did not legislate on everything. He let us figure some things out. On some issues we succeeded and on others we failed. Furthermore, the Quran is from God not Mohammad (pbuh). Mohammad (pbuh) did not legislate anything. Everything is from God.
Islam can't be changed. Nothing in Quran or Sunnah suggests that it would be abolished. There's scholarly consensus that it's halal. Quran says that Allah azza wajal perfected the Deen and so it can't be changed. It's kufr to think that Islam can be changed. Fear Allah
@@eldouje that guy is wrong. Islam doesn't change. It's still okay. Only liberal muslim think it's wrong
Why at 1:46 , subtitle showed sewer 23? 😶
It’s clearly a man’s world in Islam. Muslim women must have been so depressed
Nope
how can words of God be ambiguous? the way he starts, he says there are 2 verses but they are not clear .. if it's word of God, how can it have a man as a lord to his woman.. agreed the society back then was regressive, but this is supposed to be words of God and it is supposed to be true at all times
Actually this guy is a deviant. If you read the verses they are clear
Cancel Islam.
04:05 The unbelievable truth
This is the reason to shout :- I'm proud of being a sanatani hindu 🚩🙏
Yah krishna who had 16000 wives.
You hindus have caste System. U r treating the lowest case badder thans slaves and animals. Instead you are praying to cows wtf.
@@Courageous190😂😂😂
Same bro..
The ottoman sultan's refered to them as court ladies. They were treated with certain etiquettes And were educated. A few ottoman sultans wrote beautiful poetry about them that made their wives jealous.
They were raped.
those 🐷👹 started doing this as i mentioned above just what the barbary slave trade was those otto😈and khalifaman did all these 🤢 heinous crimes. how can you then just glorify this . even noe forced marraiges in our soc. is common forget about how they forced themselves on those poor slave girls. do you think those pirates took millions of girls from ruthenia and east-south europe for feeding them? admit it they misused and all these r@p them just to satisfy their fi lt . i jkust pray to Allah that such muslim men go to jahannam who force themeselves .
think about it if the romans did same to middleeastern women would you say the same thing . keep your sister in that place ? an old sxadd ct comes tales your sister forcefully and rps her kills you will your sister be ok and you will be fine with it . also admit that whatever ottomans did was racist all the harem ladies were slavic white for sole purpose of exploiting . they practised this cause of fetish.
@@ScribeOnFirebut that’s okay as long as they get bEAuTiFuL PoEtRy written about them, right?
Muslims will do ANYTHING to justify evil
I think it's time for Islam to reform
To begone
How about for Islam to die?
Nope
In battle when Muslim soldier killed an enemy soldier and made his wife a widow it was only fair to adopt her in his household.
Exactly except they are s laves. That's the only difference
What a disgusting religión.
Islam is good, if you are rich and powerful. You can do whatever you want. For poor people it's a hell.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh said the opposite
In Islam , a woman has to consent to marriage , but a slave does not of course consent to slavery . But in Islam , a slave has a right to ask for freedom and cannot be forced to do something he /she does not like . This must also apply to the concubines . Clearly the Classical Muslim theologizists were misguided
Right. People usually disconnect themselves from historical facts. Quran introduced law for them to set free as a soacial change process, but people ignore that part of Quran.
If someone wants to read my article on this subject, contact me on engineer_@hotmail.com. I have simply gathered all references in proper order and I hope people ll be able to relate to the Quran in easy manner. Regards
@@Final_Turn , u guys just cant accept the fact that islam is not compatible with 21st century. In quran's SURAH AN-NUR (24) , verse 33 , it is written that when a slave doesn't wanna sleep with u , then u can force them to and allah will forgive u .
@@RahulPandey-cw6iw Dear bro ! Verse is talking about setting free the pre-existing slaves. Arabs used to force them into prostition and this verse is stopping to do so. Moreover, this verse says that if a slave is forced into sexual buissness, Allah will forgive 'that slave' because she/he was forced into sin. Why you distorted the verse?!
Hope it clarifies
Thanks !
@@RahulPandey-cw6iw
Habitual misinterpreter. ?
Shabbir is the most liberal in the bunch of traditional muslims. He rejects most of the hadiths. Even after all that if Shabir says this about female slavery then Islam is not good for any society. No any other reason needed.
The diffence Abraham isn't God. The problem is islam believes that the quaran and mohamed are the word of God so it's God telling them to keep having slave girls and plus the old testament which is what he is quoting is limited to isreallites and to that time the new testament doesn't say have slave girls he trying to save the quaran
What a difference in how Christianity & Islam view the purpose of marriage!!
A Muslim woman is relegated simply to a sexual service while a Christian woman works towards theosis and raising a God fearing family.
Always Control by Men.
I am so sorry for all female slaves, slavery in islam was the worst crime in 🌎 history.
If women doesn't have her rights what is the important to get marry.
In this case marriage is like to be slave for your husband and it is more benefits for man.
My God help all female in this 🌎.
Nothing wrong with s lavery or marriage
Whatever he said haram
Very well put, the question of slavery was one for the times. Its was a different world then, its a new world now, slavery has no place in Islam or in the world.
But Islam still allows it, so why would an all-knowing, all-powerful god be era-specific ?
@@lewis72 Plus Islamic encouragement of freeing slaves rather than forbidding it also didn't work to be the first in ending slavery. (9:42)
@@lewis72
Proof that
@@AhmedAl-Haddadi
Prove what ?
@@lewis72 so
No Proof
ISLAM SAY THE GIVING MORE RESPECT WOMAN :THEN AFTER BATTLE FINISH WHAT HAPPEN WITH WOMAN AND CHILDREN HOW THEY TREAT WHAT IS THEIR FREEDOM PROPHET HAVE MORE 10 WIEF HE DIDN'T RIGHT JOB THEN HIW RUN HIS HOUSE HOW HE GET ALL REQUIREMENT TO FULL FILL FROM WHERE HE GET. HE COLLECTING JAKAT, FITRA, MALAY GANIMAT ?????
90:12
And what can make you know what is [breaking through] the difficult pass?
90:13
It is the freeing of a slave.
Surah Balad, Quran
@@NRFP war captive woman are turned into s laves
Uf uf uf uf uf ufuf uf!!!!
Listen it from 7:50. Slavery is abolished after Islam, so as this practice.
It's a discussion based on historical context of when this custom was a reality. Geez, people are so dense. 😂This went right over so many peoples heads in the comment section. Must of the are Hindu Muslim hating fascists apologists though, so not surprised.