I have a GPD win mini and everytime I use it I get amazed by the performance from the 7840U and the overall quality of the GPD engineering and manufacturing. Hoping to get a refreshed G1 till the end of the year, hopefully.
I just looked at the length cause I figured he made it a short video with how fast he was talking ... Damn this would actually be 50mins at regular speed lmao
This was amazing. Such clarity and depth on the performance analysis. Thank you very much for sharing. So essentially 8840u is pretty much almost the same as 7840u as expected. I had my hopes up when I saw the performance per watt being higher but if total system draw is also higher then it doesn't make much of a difference. 5% more at the highest tdps isn't anything to write home about.
I agree. Win Max 2 is my favourite device of all time. Perfect for work and play, the perfect hybrid device. They just need a few tweaks for the 3 and then the 9000 series will hopefully be a bigger jump. Day one buy for me, as long as they don't change it too much from the Max 2.
Great review. I freakin' love my GPD WinMax2 7840u. It's my daily driver with the G1 and I don't feel like I need anything else. Will skip this generation and wait for the next update. I hope GPD never stops making this form factor!
@@Zenden1ST Yes, I have. At 1080p it handles pretty much everything you throw at it, even using only 15w TDP. I have played GTA V, Forza Horizon 5, Black Desert Online at 1080p/ultra, some Wii U emulation with 1080p/60fps mods (such as breath of the wild, Mario Kart 8) and all these games play at 50 fps+ at 15w. For more heavy games such as Read Dead Redemption 2 I found you got to lower the resolution to 720p for it to run well, but you don't really notice the smaller resolution in such a small 7 inch screen. If you plan to player at higher resolutions (1440p/4k) using the oculink or an HDMI adapter then you'll have to acquire the GPD g1 or make your own oculink setup.
Win Max 2 is by far my favourite device. I use it because I travel for work and it lets me do everything I need (game and productivity, and watch stuff!). If the Max 3 just has minor tweaks and updates, I am happy. But the Max 2 is perfectly designed.
I love my Max 1 (2020) as a functional laptop and all-purpose gaming portable device. But it took me a long time getting used to its heavy weight as a (borderline) handheld. I passed on the Max 2 for being even larger, and because Max 1 still can run everything.
i ordered Max 1 on eBay. after waiting for the Mini and thinking i wanted something a lil bigger that i could truly use as a laptop too. the Max 2 is too big b
Coming from both the Max 1 and the Max 2 (6800U from 2022) I can say the size of the device itself isn't a ... huge factor. What I'm saying is it isn't cumbersome. The bigger screen is fantastic and from a performance perspective there are a few emulated games on RPCS3, Xenia, and Yuzu that run better on the Max 2 vs. Max 1. And I'm speaking of the Max 1 upgraded to run the 4500U when GPD sold an upgrade board.
I had the win 1 and didn’t like it that much because it was in that moment something like a prototype , the build wasn’t that good. And last year I bought the mini….hmmm was a good and comfortable little machine, but I decided to buy a Legion go ,so I sold the mini. Now I just purchased the win max 2 and I’m going to sell the legion go I guess.
This is 7% a bit wrong… Battery cells even tho they report the same amount of voltage nor wattage the actual nod is different all the times. Batteries aren’t build equally and they have about 10% margin error before leaving QC from the factory. Which means batteries range 10% margin power when sold. You also have to consider the ASSIC of each system, and not just for the APU but for practically every chip found in the SOC. Even vram are build at a different ASSIC. Let’s talk about IPS screens and windows random background processes, at what time do they activate and for how long. IPS backlight LEDs are as well not rated at a perfect power consumption; this problem gets worst when you add hundreds of them all together then the power consumption of an IPS screen can vary to up to 30%. Windows background processes timing vary a lot, extremely a lot. Windows is unpredictable. The end result is that the 88xx vs 78xx are just equal and it’s just a rebrand, like always. Topically intel ticktock.
A bit confused with the mentioned issue with cpu power with eGPU attached. How is this okay as a desktop replacement if the cpu has to be capped at 3.3ghz? Is this something that Gpd can fix? If not then it's definitely a deal breaker.
You do the best benchmarking analysis in the business! Did GPD also send you a G1 v2? I'm interested to see the noise and performance of the 60W profile. And then there's Oculink vs USB4 and external display vs laptop display. Could make for a good video!
Thanks for the review,really appreciate it. Would it be possible to do a productivity review on this? For example battery life while surfing the net dealing with office programmes, such as teams word Excel etc. Really interested in getting one of these so I can finally keep to one device. Right now I have a surface tablet for work, desktop for gaming. Android tablet for gaming/surfing and other stuff. Really want to get rid of all the clutter and put it all in one and I'm hoping this is the device for the job.
Haven't they added a higher refresh rate yet? 😢💔 I've been very hyped this year for a potential Max 3 to come out in 2024, so I got excited with your video. But they missed the only thing I needed 😔
Wouldve loved to see charts based on matching the total system wattage rather than TDP to see if there’s any real appreciable difference. From what you explained, it seems like you could just bump up your 7840U TDP by 10% and, hey presto, you have an 8840U.
You could have simply showed the total system power draw with each tdp/fps slide for better understanding and spared us the long nuanced explanation. Then you can average down the 8840U numbers to match at a theoretical equal power footing. In any case in short it seems the performance gains are not much over the 7840u as to be expected.
I'm confused, is this not up for preorder yet? The indigogo link is selling the 7840U, not the 8840U. Is this a typo on their part or is the 8840U not on the site yet?
Amazing video. You should make yourself smaller in the results sections. The data is small and hard to see. If you need to be on screen maybe put yourself in a smaller box like a streamer would.
I wished they offered a board swap. I think they did that with the GPD Win Intel portable a while back from 10th gen to 11th gen. This seems like it can totally do that again as a 7840U owner (and technically a 6800U owner, but that one can't do it since it didn't have an occulink cut-out).
at this point I believe the proper way to bench these machines are with two metrics: -what kind of performance the machine can give when also running for around 3 hours of battery playtime -what kind of performance the machine can give when plugged in and running at full power these are pretty much the only two use cases I care about
Honestly the Win Max 2 is so perfectly designed. It is legit the best hybrid device. I want the Max 3 to just fix a few things, but if it stays similar to the Max 2, we are good. Max 3 improvement could be softer face buttons (Vita dpad is perfect but the ABXY is a bit rough), the webcam placement if they could move it to the top instead, and then that's pretty much it. I love everything about it. I have the 6800U version, so I will wait to upgrade to the 9000 series since the 8000 series isnt too much of an upgrade from the 7000 series.
Think you can do an optimization video about how you set your winmax 2 with the G1 using occulink? In particular smart shift, tdp setting in motion controls, third party software (like handheld companion), and lastly AMD adrenaline settings? TYIA
U should revisit the deck with the benchmarks using the oled, I’ve seen many of instance where the deck out performs the z1 extreme in like for like situations using 15watt.
As cool as that transition from thumbnail to video is that is freaky as hell.. Never seen a transition like that so its kind of like if a painting on your wall started moving and talking to you
I would really like to see what it takes for minecraft to bog this down. How high of a render and simulation distance. How big of a world file. How many entities in simulation distance. Ignite a tnt world download.
Why GPD devices don't have small and precise trackpoints like Thinkpads? You could use those to play rts games, shooters, and just navigate the system without using tiny tracpad that doesn't work in games.
you have the option to get an oculink adapter for the 2230 slot if you really want oculink and don't really want to upgrade. I have to say that having oculink on the back is a bit more convenient than having it on the bottom...it's kind of awkward to use it in handheld mode with an oculink cable sticking out from the bottom
Would love this as a productivity device for flights, trains, conferences (I've found my iPad Pro underwhelming in that regard) with a side of gaming. Think I'll start putting some cash aside in the hope that a 2025 model with Strix and an OLED might arrive, then adios iPad Pro.
The only person who would buy this AMD 884OU PGD WIN MAX 2 , is for their Children. I do love what you do for the community, you help consumers decide, which deal is better. YES i dropped a LIKE on your video.
Something rather bizarre is going on. I'm missing all your videos from showing in my feed for more than the last month. I always stop by and give at least a thumbs up.
Does anyone know where I can buy replacement thumbsticks for the Max 2? My right stick is not registering the Y-Axis at all and I'd like to try replacing it. I just can't find anything online about what part to order and GPD hasn't gotten back to me.
Interesting regarding the Memory. I have the Legion GO, and there's an option to run the memory at 6400mts. Now it's easy to see what that setting would be ideal for. Now if only Last Epoch would run worth a damn on the Legion Go.... :( Eager to see if you have a review for it. I went with it after using the Deck for just over a year, and it's pretty awesome. I only miss the sleep resume feature from Steam OS, and i see Chimera OS still has some ways to go, but Really not that bothered with Windows as much as I thought I would be. Just not used to seeing memory in every metric topping out. So long as the programs end up getting what they need from hungry windows 11, it's all good, suprisingly. CPU's on the handhelds are really overkill, and it would be nice if we could get all that cache to help the GPU instead.
While I know you probably can’t afford to do what LTT is doing but do you believe the binning could be at play for some of the TDP/clock variances? Referring to their multi-7000 series benchmarking they’re doing.
Unlikely, Gamers Nexus did a video in regard to sample sizes, and found that there wasn't significant deviation for Intel or AMD CPUs in regards to stock settings.
@@reaperreaper5098 if I’m thinking of the same video they had 2 or 3 Legion GO right? LTT did a larger sample size of like 10 I believe. But mobile CPUs may have better binning processes or not being pushed to fringe operating conditions like a desktop CPU may.
@@Zaf9670 No, I'm talking about when Gamers Nexus tested like 30 CPUs, multiples of only a handful of skus from Intel and AMD. GN also is substantially better at testing stuff, since they actually know how to do deep dive testing.
@@reaperreaper5098 I agree GN is great about deep dives but LTT has been dumping money into their process as well. The margin of error had more sway with LTT so I’ll have to see the GN to compare again. There were variances per application even suggesting some execution units performed better/worse across SKUs which will be even more important as architecture moves forward (NPU 1 did 5% better than NPU 5 but AVX-512 on 1 was 7% better or something as an example). The margin of error and overall performance is fine but when you’re talking razor thin margins on mobile the 5% could be an hour of extra battery or less heat.
@@Zaf9670 It’s not a matter of how much money each company dumps in. It’s a matter of how thorough the employees are, and both GN and LTT have perfectly demonstrated that LTT doesn’t have the experience to properly test hardware nor do they actually care.
Strix Point WM2 will be exciting, can't wait. Strix Halo sounds impossible unless maybe a WM3 with lots of changes, or a new series altogether. But SH is a GPU with integrated CPU with those CUs, complete reversal if they make it work, lol.
Hmm, I have first WinMax 2, the one before the oculink port. I don't think I'll ever use the oculink port but this seems like a upgrade that's worth it, the last upgrade wasn't worth it to me. Do they still have mother board upgrades? I have to say my Win Max 2 is my favorite notebook ever. I have alright eyesight, everything is kidna small, but it's really portable. The keyboard is the smallest a keyboard can be for normal typing. I had the original Win Max and did not like it, keyboard was too small but this is just big enough to use. The gamepad for me is a bonus, I have used it as a normal computer more than for gaming, but I like how it's there. I missed out on netbooks, they were too expensive for me. By the time I was working full time that trend had ended so this is great for me, having a notebook in that for factor.
would love one of these but the price for them is insane lol i have a rog ally but want a handheld with egpu capabilities as well and these gpds look good
weird that system power is more on the new chip, i dont understand why it needs to use 8 watts to power the system when devices like the switch lite are able to power the entire system and only use 5 watts or less, obviously they need to do some optimization because it makes no sense why its using so much power to make the system work
![External GPU for your Handheld PC [ONEXGPU]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/I_eA_IbB-mo/mqdefault.jpg)
The thumbnail intro is the smoothest I've ever seen.
Reminds me of that God of War intro screen transitioning to the gameplay.
😁
Yeah, he’s really good at that
@@user-s8jb3qb6yhe's talking about God of War from the ps2/ps3 era. Darksiders used to be a God of War clone.
Yo that thumb nail intro to video transition is top tier. Lol.
I have a GPD win mini and everytime I use it I get amazed by the performance from the 7840U and the overall quality of the GPD engineering and manufacturing. Hoping to get a refreshed G1 till the end of the year, hopefully.
Im still rocking my 6800u wm2 from 2022, and it still works great. Looking forward to get this one.
The only thing missing now, for me, is the OLED screen. Just one more step to perfection.
You're forgetting VRR, which is arguably more important
And I want it in black
All this ^ n it’ll be my next laptop for 5/10 years
@@Dubl3R exactly, I'm just waiting
whats special about OLED?
"Honey, I'll be unavailable for the next 33 minutes and 30 seconds!"
Plus an ad or two for our boy
@@JohnneyleeRollins i give 33 minutes of youtube premium to our boy.
Thats what i thought but woke up 6 hours later
I just looked at the length cause I figured he made it a short video with how fast he was talking ... Damn this would actually be 50mins at regular speed lmao
0.75x speed is almost normal sounding, but if I could make it 0.80x speed, it'd be spot on
This was amazing. Such clarity and depth on the performance analysis. Thank you very much for sharing. So essentially 8840u is pretty much almost the same as 7840u as expected. I had my hopes up when I saw the performance per watt being higher but if total system draw is also higher then it doesn't make much of a difference. 5% more at the highest tdps isn't anything to write home about.
Yup not worth the upgrade
@@theo5675 im about to buy the win max 2, when will the 8840u come out?
Very soon. @@Zenden1ST
I agree. Win Max 2 is my favourite device of all time. Perfect for work and play, the perfect hybrid device. They just need a few tweaks for the 3 and then the 9000 series will hopefully be a bigger jump. Day one buy for me, as long as they don't change it too much from the Max 2.
Best thumbnail game ever
Great review. I freakin' love my GPD WinMax2 7840u. It's my daily driver with the G1 and I don't feel like I need anything else. Will skip this generation and wait for the next update. I hope GPD never stops making this form factor!
Same with my win mini. It's a portable gaming/workstation PC that does everything I need.
@@darkcss1054 have you played any AAA games with the Mini?
@@Zenden1ST Yes, I have. At 1080p it handles pretty much everything you throw at it, even using only 15w TDP.
I have played GTA V, Forza Horizon 5, Black Desert Online at 1080p/ultra, some Wii U emulation with 1080p/60fps mods (such as breath of the wild, Mario Kart 8) and all these games play at 50 fps+ at 15w.
For more heavy games such as Read Dead Redemption 2 I found you got to lower the resolution to 720p for it to run well, but you don't really notice the smaller resolution in such a small 7 inch screen.
If you plan to player at higher resolutions (1440p/4k) using the oculink or an HDMI adapter then you'll have to acquire the GPD g1 or make your own oculink setup.
Win Max 2 is by far my favourite device. I use it because I travel for work and it lets me do everything I need (game and productivity, and watch stuff!). If the Max 3 just has minor tweaks and updates, I am happy. But the Max 2 is perfectly designed.
Dang three different iterations of the Max 2. The 6000 series and 7000 series must have been selling better than I thought.
People outside China may not know, but GPD devices are wildly popular in China. They easily sell 10x as many devices in China as out of China.
Is the 8840U not available yet? I clicked on the link but only the 7840U is showing in the perks.
yeah man, me too
That thumbnail transition was dope AF
Thankyou!
I love my Max 1 (2020) as a functional laptop and all-purpose gaming portable device.
But it took me a long time getting used to its heavy weight as a (borderline) handheld.
I passed on the Max 2 for being even larger, and because Max 1 still can run everything.
i ordered Max 1 on eBay. after waiting for the Mini and thinking i wanted something a lil bigger that i could truly use as a laptop too. the Max 2 is too big b
This. I hope the Max 3 will return to a size closer to the Win Max 1.
Coming from both the Max 1 and the Max 2 (6800U from 2022) I can say the size of the device itself isn't a ... huge factor. What I'm saying is it isn't cumbersome. The bigger screen is fantastic and from a performance perspective there are a few emulated games on RPCS3, Xenia, and Yuzu that run better on the Max 2 vs. Max 1. And I'm speaking of the Max 1 upgraded to run the 4500U when GPD sold an upgrade board.
@@tonycurry5545 Still believe something closer to the Max 1 formfactor would fit more people while giving us a better keyboard than the mini.
I had the win 1 and didn’t like it that much because it was in that moment something like a prototype , the build wasn’t that good. And last year I bought the mini….hmmm was a good and comfortable little machine, but I decided to buy a Legion go ,so I sold the mini. Now I just purchased the win max 2 and I’m going to sell the legion go I guess.
This is 7% a bit wrong…
Battery cells even tho they report the same amount of voltage nor wattage the actual nod is different all the times.
Batteries aren’t build equally and they have about 10% margin error before leaving QC from the factory. Which means batteries range 10% margin power when sold.
You also have to consider the ASSIC of each system, and not just for the APU but for practically every chip found in the SOC. Even vram are build at a different ASSIC.
Let’s talk about IPS screens and windows random background processes, at what time do they activate and for how long.
IPS backlight LEDs are as well not rated at a perfect power consumption; this problem gets worst when you add hundreds of them all together then the power consumption of an IPS screen can vary to up to 30%.
Windows background processes timing vary a lot, extremely a lot. Windows is unpredictable.
The end result is that the 88xx vs 78xx are just equal and it’s just a rebrand, like always. Topically intel ticktock.
Great work once again. Please keep up the good work.
Might be time to get one of these beasts.
The thumbnail to video transition was gorgeous
In all my years, I don't think I've ever seen a TH-cam video begin with a perfect transition from thumbnail to video lol
@@ThecrazycakeEATAH Make that a staple Phawx
A bit confused with the mentioned issue with cpu power with eGPU attached. How is this okay as a desktop replacement if the cpu has to be capped at 3.3ghz? Is this something that Gpd can fix? If not then it's definitely a deal breaker.
You do the best benchmarking analysis in the business! Did GPD also send you a G1 v2? I'm interested to see the noise and performance of the 60W profile. And then there's Oculink vs USB4 and external display vs laptop display. Could make for a good video!
I wish they made a machine between the Win Max 2 and the GPD Win Mini size-wise.
right? ide kill for an 8.5 inch clamshell device
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holy shit thats the sickest transition ever
Thanks for the review,really appreciate it. Would it be possible to do a productivity review on this? For example battery life while surfing the net dealing with office programmes, such as teams word Excel etc. Really interested in getting one of these so I can finally keep to one device. Right now I have a surface tablet for work, desktop for gaming. Android tablet for gaming/surfing and other stuff. Really want to get rid of all the clutter and put it all in one and I'm hoping this is the device for the job.
I have the 7840 version, which I upgraded from the 6800u Win Max 2. I'll hold off upgrading until the Strix Point (or Halo) version arrives.
It's great to see GPD is sticking to it
new thumbnail tech just dropped
Your in depth review was phenomenal! Please do one similar on the ayaneo flip, i would really appreciate it!
"Phawx around and find out" I WANT THAT SHIRT lol
😂
Mr.Phawx, is there any chance you would make a video on your current setup? The win max 2 with 4090 via oculink sounds like a dream setup to me haha
The oculink will not handle the bandwidth well
Not worth your money. Both the CPU and oculink will bottleneck the GPU
This is a very insightful review, it has been extremely helpful in making my decision. Thank you.
Haven't they added a higher refresh rate yet? 😢💔 I've been very hyped this year for a potential Max 3 to come out in 2024, so I got excited with your video. But they missed the only thing I needed 😔
Wouldve loved to see charts based on matching the total system wattage rather than TDP to see if there’s any real appreciable difference.
From what you explained, it seems like you could just bump up your 7840U TDP by 10% and, hey presto, you have an 8840U.
You could have simply showed the total system power draw with each tdp/fps slide for better understanding and spared us the long nuanced explanation. Then you can average down the 8840U numbers to match at a theoretical equal power footing. In any case in short it seems the performance gains are not much over the 7840u as to be expected.
Agreed, to me it seems like you can just bump your 7840U TDP by 10% and you functionally upgraded to an 8840U 😂
I think at this point, the only upgrade that makes sense is OLED.
I'm confused, is this not up for preorder yet? The indigogo link is selling the 7840U, not the 8840U. Is this a typo on their part or is the 8840U not on the site yet?
You got the nod from craft computing, That's all the recommendation I need. Cheers mate!
Phawx, how is fan noise under load 15/20/25w? Have they fixed how warm/hot it feels in hand?
Amazing video. You should make yourself smaller in the results sections. The data is small and hard to see. If you need to be on screen maybe put yourself in a smaller box like a streamer would.
I can't even imagine how many hours you spent on this video. Wonderful job !
Any plans to look at the Ayaneo flip KB? I think it offers good value in the 16gb 8840u variant at the preorder price of ~$740.
16GB shared? 🤮
If you plan to run linux, then this is plenty. Even on windows, it depends on your use case.
Yo the intro is nuts
I wished they offered a board swap. I think they did that with the GPD Win Intel portable a while back from 10th gen to 11th gen. This seems like it can totally do that again as a 7840U owner (and technically a 6800U owner, but that one can't do it since it didn't have an occulink cut-out).
this feels more of a 8840u review than a gpd win max 2 review
at this point I believe the proper way to bench these machines are with two metrics:
-what kind of performance the machine can give when also running for around 3 hours of battery playtime
-what kind of performance the machine can give when plugged in and running at full power
these are pretty much the only two use cases I care about
Honestly the Win Max 2 is so perfectly designed. It is legit the best hybrid device. I want the Max 3 to just fix a few things, but if it stays similar to the Max 2, we are good. Max 3 improvement could be softer face buttons (Vita dpad is perfect but the ABXY is a bit rough), the webcam placement if they could move it to the top instead, and then that's pretty much it. I love everything about it. I have the 6800U version, so I will wait to upgrade to the 9000 series since the 8000 series isnt too much of an upgrade from the 7000 series.
What an amazing test. Congratulations
Now I gotta sell all my 7840u devices. 🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️😅
Think you can do an optimization video about how you set your winmax 2 with the G1 using occulink? In particular smart shift, tdp setting in motion controls, third party software (like handheld companion), and lastly AMD adrenaline settings? TYIA
great insight. so 10w is not always 10w. i'd like to see a timespy at 28w of the 8840u. thanx
stupid youtube unsubed me so happy i found this video, you do such an amazing job on these in depth videos thank you
Thank you so much
When you show the benchmark graph, can you make it fullscreen rather than split screen?
U should revisit the deck with the benchmarks using the oled, I’ve seen many of instance where the deck out performs the z1 extreme in like for like situations using 15watt.
At 10 watts yes but at 15 it's more game to game mostly with z1 winning from 2-10%.
These look super cool I just wish I could try it out before buying it
As cool as that transition from thumbnail to video is that is freaky as hell.. Never seen a transition like that so its kind of like if a painting on your wall started moving and talking to you
I would really like to see what it takes for minecraft to bog this down. How high of a render and simulation distance. How big of a world file. How many entities in simulation distance. Ignite a tnt world download.
I have the 6800U 32GB RAM 2TB version and the 7840U 64GB RAM 4TB version, is it worth upgrading to the 8840U?
THIS WOULD BE PERFECT WITH AN OLED DISPLAY ! AND A BETTER CAMERA.
@0:24 reminding me of Gwen Tennyson “The butter has definitely slipped off your noodle”😅.
OLED, high refreshrate and VRR I would definitely buy one
Why GPD devices don't have small and precise trackpoints like Thinkpads? You could use those to play rts games, shooters, and just navigate the system without using tiny tracpad that doesn't work in games.
was thinking just the same - that would be perfect
As much as I like and want the gpd devices, not having a good company or retailer backing it makes it not an option
Wow! What an excellent and in-depth review!!! I have the first gen Win Max2. I'm really dying for the oculink connection....
you have the option to get an oculink adapter for the 2230 slot if you really want oculink and don't really want to upgrade. I have to say that having oculink on the back is a bit more convenient than having it on the bottom...it's kind of awkward to use it in handheld mode with an oculink cable sticking out from the bottom
Would love this as a productivity device for flights, trains, conferences (I've found my iPad Pro underwhelming in that regard) with a side of gaming. Think I'll start putting some cash aside in the hope that a 2025 model with Strix and an OLED might arrive, then adios iPad Pro.
The only person who would buy this AMD 884OU PGD WIN MAX 2 , is for their Children.
I do love what you do for the community, you help consumers decide, which deal is better. YES i dropped a LIKE on your video.
Been waiting for this🎉
Wish the stick placement were the same as the steam deck
Something rather bizarre is going on. I'm missing all your videos from showing in my feed for more than the last month. I always stop by and give at least a thumbs up.
Hopefully the WM3 has VRR, it's absolutely necessary for handhelds that cant lock 60fps.
is it worth upgrading 6800u to 8840u?
my only complain is why the charts are so small?
its so hard to see
I was so immersed on what phawx was saying that I did not even realize that I'm having the same struggle :D
Is this still using a 60 hz panel?
So other than the CPU nothing really has change? Only asking because I legit just bought the 2023 version last week 😅
Totally stick with the 7840u, has the occulink port. VRR is overrated.
NB : You chose wisely!!!!
the fact that this CPU with dgpu connected consumes like 15 watts in heavy game is just impressive
Not a fan of that form factor personally, but for that form factor, it's exceptionally well done.
Do you think the metrics will be the same for the GPD Win 4 8840U?
thanks man this was really helpful
Looks like 20-25w is starting to get to "diminishing returns". So same story as Z1 extreme, 17-20w is the best range.
As I’ve only just had the GPD Win 4 (2023) for a couple of months I’m glad it’s not worth the upgrade 😅
Ok this is getting really close to replacing my laptop.
Why 780M in the new chip? Shouldn't it be a 880M?
Does anyone know where I can buy replacement thumbsticks for the Max 2? My right stick is not registering the Y-Axis at all and I'd like to try replacing it. I just can't find anything online about what part to order and GPD hasn't gotten back to me.
what the Phawx are you talking about? Stop Phawxing around!!
Interesting regarding the Memory. I have the Legion GO, and there's an option to run the memory at 6400mts. Now it's easy to see what that setting would be ideal for. Now if only Last Epoch would run worth a damn on the Legion Go.... :(
Eager to see if you have a review for it. I went with it after using the Deck for just over a year, and it's pretty awesome. I only miss the sleep resume feature from Steam OS, and i see Chimera OS still has some ways to go, but Really not that bothered with Windows as much as I thought I would be. Just not used to seeing memory in every metric topping out. So long as the programs end up getting what they need from hungry windows 11, it's all good, suprisingly.
CPU's on the handhelds are really overkill, and it would be nice if we could get all that cache to help the GPU instead.
Where can this model be purchased? I am only finding the 7840U model.
There's literally a link to the Indigogo Campaign...
@@pieceofschmidtgamer
The link shows the 7840U model.
@@pieceofschmidtgamer
Click purchase perk. It is for the 7840U 64GB model.
@@sirnate54Then clearly the campaign hasn't started yet.
@pieceofschmidtgamer
Which is what I thought. People need to stop trying to be a smart alec and check for themselves when I posted about the link.
Can you compare your all-in-one setup with the Win Max 2 versus a regular desktop?
These videos have a stellar presentation and are super informative. Thanks for your work!
Glad you like them!
While I know you probably can’t afford to do what LTT is doing but do you believe the binning could be at play for some of the TDP/clock variances?
Referring to their multi-7000 series benchmarking they’re doing.
Unlikely, Gamers Nexus did a video in regard to sample sizes, and found that there wasn't significant deviation for Intel or AMD CPUs in regards to stock settings.
@@reaperreaper5098 if I’m thinking of the same video they had 2 or 3 Legion GO right?
LTT did a larger sample size of like 10 I believe. But mobile CPUs may have better binning processes or not being pushed to fringe operating conditions like a desktop CPU may.
@@Zaf9670 No, I'm talking about when Gamers Nexus tested like 30 CPUs, multiples of only a handful of skus from Intel and AMD.
GN also is substantially better at testing stuff, since they actually know how to do deep dive testing.
@@reaperreaper5098 I agree GN is great about deep dives but LTT has been dumping money into their process as well.
The margin of error had more sway with LTT so I’ll have to see the GN to compare again. There were variances per application even suggesting some execution units performed better/worse across SKUs which will be even more important as architecture moves forward (NPU 1 did 5% better than NPU 5 but AVX-512 on 1 was 7% better or something as an example).
The margin of error and overall performance is fine but when you’re talking razor thin margins on mobile the 5% could be an hour of extra battery or less heat.
@@Zaf9670 It’s not a matter of how much money each company dumps in. It’s a matter of how thorough the employees are, and both GN and LTT have perfectly demonstrated that LTT doesn’t have the experience to properly test hardware nor do they actually care.
🤠we should stop looking at tdp for measurement 🤝🏽
niche device with ergonomics of holding a food tray.
Can we get a video comparing the GPD handheld with a 7600/7700 with a dedicated gpu?
Long time fan. Just a criticism, please fix graphs to be easier to read, specifically the numbers
Minisforum V3 review ASAP please 🙏
Strix Point WM2 will be exciting, can't wait.
Strix Halo sounds impossible unless maybe a WM3 with lots of changes, or a new series altogether. But SH is a GPU with integrated CPU with those CUs, complete reversal if they make it work, lol.
Hmm, I have first WinMax 2, the one before the oculink port. I don't think I'll ever use the oculink port but this seems like a upgrade that's worth it, the last upgrade wasn't worth it to me. Do they still have mother board upgrades?
I have to say my Win Max 2 is my favorite notebook ever. I have alright eyesight, everything is kidna small, but it's really portable. The keyboard is the smallest a keyboard can be for normal typing. I had the original Win Max and did not like it, keyboard was too small but this is just big enough to use. The gamepad for me is a bonus, I have used it as a normal computer more than for gaming, but I like how it's there. I missed out on netbooks, they were too expensive for me. By the time I was working full time that trend had ended so this is great for me, having a notebook in that for factor.
would love one of these but the price for them is insane lol i have a rog ally but want a handheld with egpu capabilities as well and these gpds look good
weird that system power is more on the new chip, i dont understand why it needs to use 8 watts to power the system when devices like the switch lite are able to power the entire system and only use 5 watts or less, obviously they need to do some optimization because it makes no sense why its using so much power to make the system work
Holy that’s huge. Looks bigger than the go so are we in laptop levels now
It's literally a 10 inch laptop
That thumbnail intro is a trendsetter.
Would you please do some benchmarks with some common local LLMs?
I'd buy this except the only ones available are 7840u & 7640u