Thank you so much for stopping by! I had a blast diving into your video-so many fascinating connections I hadn’t thought of before. And yes, I think a reread of the Silmarillion is definitely in order for both of us now!
Sampo is not a musical instrument, but a magical device of some sort, which mills money, salt and cereal out of thin air, "to be eaten and to be sold".
Kvens/Kvens are not only historical and mythological. They are a Balto-Finnish ethnic group originating in the northern parts of Norway, Sweden, Finland and parts of Russia. In 1996 the Kvens received minority status in Norway and in 2005 the Kvens language was recognized as a minority language in Norway. So they stay in Norway. But they are also part of the people in the northern parts of Sweden and Finland. But their track does not remain in Sweden or Finland, as it does in Norway.
The Story of Kullervo is J. R. R. Tolkien's first work, which he wrote in 1914-1915. Tolkien's 26-page manuscript remained unfinished. He was studying at the time and his first two essays were both also about the Kalevala.
A video as an intro: "Bjarmien Maa: Historia Suomi". How world came to be and Väinämöinen was born: "Lore & Legends Eps. 1: Finnish Mythology pt.1; The Creation Myth". This video goes through those similarities in more extent and gives advise to those who want to read Kalevala and get the most out of it: "The Kalevala: Epic of the Finnish People". Here's a video about that singing: "The Goofy Wizard Duel That Inspired Tolkien's Bombadil - A Glimpse into Lönnrot's Kalevala - PT 10". There are other direct or indirect literary and cinematic connections to Kalevala. Jorge Luis Borges named his fictional detective as Erik Lönnrot in 'Death and the Compass'. Don Rosa has illustrated a novel 'The Quest for Kalevala'. Kalevala has appeared in the Star Wars universe as a planet in the Mandalore system. In Finland those connections are of course plentiful. The Finnish jewelry brand Lapponia is nowadays known as Kalevala. In 1969, Björn Weckström designed a necklace 'Planetoid Valleys' for Lapponia. Princess Leia wore the necklace in the first Star Wars film. It's possible to draw some parallels from Kalevala to Indiana Jones movies even. The Nazis quest to find their Aryan roots led them also to Finnish mythology. Especially Heinrich Himmler was interested in Kalevala and Karelia. Same way as Lönnrot made trips to Karelia to document Karelian rune singing, so did the Nazis. The idea was that the Aryan roots could be found from Karelian runic singing. Himmler also ordered 10 kanteles for SS so that he could listen the kantele's "ancient sound of wisdom". In his wildest vision kantele was to be the instrument for the Nazis the same way as the bagpipes are for the Scotches. A video about that: "Ancient nordic MYSTERIES in Finland". Obviously there has to be something there: "The Lost City of Doggerland (Atlantis) - The Real Origin of Atlantis Mythology". And that's not all: "Carved rock art at Tanum - Sweden", "Saaristo-Suomen jatulintarhat (Vox Turku K1J2)" and "Were Homer's Epics Born in the North? Unraveling the Baltic and Scandinavian Roots of Odysseus".
It's interesting that Sampo and Pohjola are both banks/insurance companies in Finland. 🙂 About the argument that you could just fly with the eagles to destroy the ring. I think Tolkien said that the story would have been really boring.
@Mojova1 ah, using mythology as a company name is quite fun! That's a great answer, haha! I think either he or someone else had also mentioned that the eagles had wills of their own and would only intervene when they wanted to. That's what the video was referring to, I think, and it's neat that it may have been inspired from folklore.
I am not saying you are wrong, but I remember he came to Finland to foght in Winter war and left few weeks later as because lack of sking skills they were not let go to front lines.
@@michael.adamyk Indeed. I believe so. I know Ian Fleming was and actually I am descendant from minor nobility here in Finland. I wish to emulate Sir Christopher Lee's and Ian Fleming's lives and achievements.
@@michael.adamyk If i remember right he was part of commandos and in deed worked in espionage. There is legendary clip of peter Jacson at filmimg of isengard scene where *Spoilers for LOTR return of the king* where Saruman is killed, Peter wanted sir Christopher to scream but Sir Christopher told peter that he knows how people react when they are stabbed in back and Peter Jackson did not argue this.
Finnish Band Värttinä to Provide Musical Backdrop to First Stage Musical Adaptation of Lord of the Rings Angel Romero November 3, 2003 New York, USA - The World Premiere of the £8 Million stage version of J.R.R. Tolkien’s “Lord of the Rings” Production will open in London in Spring 2005. “Lord of the Rings” and Finland’s influential contemporary folk group Värttinä have always had something in common. Both draw original inspiration from the Kalevala, Finland’s national epic of mythological songs, poems, and stories. Now Tolkien’s Finnish-influenced stories and languages (such as Elvish) will have an explicit connection to Värttinä’s music and lyrics. India’s most popular composer A.R. Rahman and Värttinä are to collaborate in composing the score for the stage version of “Lord of the Rings,” which will have its World Premiere in London’s West End in Spring 2005. The production coincides with the 50th anniversary of the publication of the complete J R R Tolkien trilogy, “The Fellowship of the Ring,” “The Two Towers,” and “The Return of the King.” worldmusiccentral.org/2003/11/03/finnish-band-varttina-to-provide-musical-backdrop-to-first-stage-musical-adaptation-of-lord-of-the-rings/
Someone else had mentioned Värttinä in previous videos, and while I was investigating them I did read about this. It's pretty neat, because even as an LOTR fan it was news to me! I'll have to see if I can find clips of it online.
Lecture because man spoke words wrong at start If you want to pronounce finnish correctly, one can go to google translate and listen to how each letter is pronounced. They are no silent letters or varying pronounsiations so you only need to learn them once and then you can pronounce everything forever.
@@michael.adamyk And there is no intonation within words in Finnish. Just a flat droning carrier wave, like the troll you reacter to. But there is within sentances, to emphasise different words. The order of words in a sentance structure isn't important either, as its taken over by the end-casings of each word. I think that's what Tolkien included in Quenya, the grammar. Otherwise Quenya is just gobledibook to a Finn.
Nobody says "hei ystävät" in Finland though. We say something along the lines of "terve" or "moro" or "mitäs hinttarit" or "me ei osteta mitään" depending on the context. Sometimes we just make disapproving grunts.
@khatack Thanks for clarifying! I appreciate the correction. At that point I was going off Google Translate, which is a dangerous thing to do. 😉 I've been doing a bit of Finnish on DuoLingo now, and it does use "Terve." Are the others that you mentioned more formal, less casual, and so on?
@@michael.adamyk These are highly casual. Formal greetings woul be reliant on the time of day, such as "Hyvää huomenta" - good morning, "Hyvää päivää" - good day or "Hyvää iltaa" - good evening. Sometimes we remove the "Hyvää" part and just say "Iltaa" for example.
What an interesting video you found to digest! And now made me think I should read the Silmarillion again 🤔
Thank you so much for stopping by! I had a blast diving into your video-so many fascinating connections I hadn’t thought of before. And yes, I think a reread of the Silmarillion is definitely in order for both of us now!
Sampo is not a musical instrument, but a magical device of some sort, which mills money, salt and cereal out of thin air, "to be eaten and to be sold".
Cereal to be eaten, salt to cure(process that makes food last far longer) and/or flavor food and money to purchase what you don't have.
@heikkileivo & @CPPpotkustartti that makes sense, thanks for explaining that! I was going to ask specifically about the salt.
9:06 In the Kalevala, sampo is described as a mythical machine that could make money, grain and salt
Kvens/Kvens are not only historical and mythological.
They are a Balto-Finnish ethnic group originating in the northern parts of Norway, Sweden, Finland and parts of Russia. In 1996 the Kvens received minority status in Norway and in 2005 the Kvens language was recognized as a minority language in Norway. So they stay in Norway. But they are also part of the people in the northern parts of Sweden and Finland. But their track does not remain in Sweden or Finland, as it does in Norway.
The Story of Kullervo is J. R. R. Tolkien's first work, which he wrote in 1914-1915. Tolkien's 26-page manuscript remained unfinished. He was studying at the time and his first two essays were both also about the Kalevala.
@leopartanen8752 wow, that's cool! It must have really impacted him at a young age.
A video as an intro: "Bjarmien Maa: Historia Suomi". How world came to be and Väinämöinen was born: "Lore & Legends Eps. 1: Finnish Mythology pt.1; The Creation Myth". This video goes through those similarities in more extent and gives advise to those who want to read Kalevala and get the most out of it: "The Kalevala: Epic of the Finnish People". Here's a video about that singing: "The Goofy Wizard Duel That Inspired Tolkien's Bombadil - A Glimpse into Lönnrot's Kalevala - PT 10".
There are other direct or indirect literary and cinematic connections to Kalevala. Jorge Luis Borges named his fictional detective as Erik Lönnrot in 'Death and the Compass'. Don Rosa has illustrated a novel 'The Quest for Kalevala'. Kalevala has appeared in the Star Wars universe as a planet in the Mandalore system. In Finland those connections are of course plentiful. The Finnish jewelry brand Lapponia is nowadays known as Kalevala. In 1969, Björn Weckström designed a necklace 'Planetoid Valleys' for Lapponia. Princess Leia wore the necklace in the first Star Wars film. It's possible to draw some parallels from Kalevala to Indiana Jones movies even. The Nazis quest to find their Aryan roots led them also to Finnish mythology. Especially Heinrich Himmler was interested in Kalevala and Karelia. Same way as Lönnrot made trips to Karelia to document Karelian rune singing, so did the Nazis. The idea was that the Aryan roots could be found from Karelian runic singing. Himmler also ordered 10 kanteles for SS so that he could listen the kantele's "ancient sound of wisdom". In his wildest vision kantele was to be the instrument for the Nazis the same way as the bagpipes are for the Scotches. A video about that: "Ancient nordic MYSTERIES in Finland". Obviously there has to be something there: "The Lost City of Doggerland (Atlantis) - The Real Origin of Atlantis Mythology". And that's not all: "Carved rock art at Tanum - Sweden", "Saaristo-Suomen jatulintarhat (Vox Turku K1J2)" and "Were Homer's Epics Born in the North? Unraveling the Baltic and Scandinavian Roots of Odysseus".
It's interesting that Sampo and Pohjola are both banks/insurance companies in Finland. 🙂 About the argument that you could just fly with the eagles to destroy the ring. I think Tolkien said that the story would have been really boring.
@Mojova1 ah, using mythology as a company name is quite fun!
That's a great answer, haha! I think either he or someone else had also mentioned that the eagles had wills of their own and would only intervene when they wanted to. That's what the video was referring to, I think, and it's neat that it may have been inspired from folklore.
Finnish metal band Avathar has a song called Nan Elmoth that has Lúthien’s Song as a part of it (that's in Sindarin though).
I appreciate that you are a good reactor because you give credit and ask permission 🎉🎉
Thanks @wedsjansson! Honoring the property rights of the original creators is really important to me.
Sir Christopher Lee also fought in the Continuation War. The actor that played Scaramanga and Dracula.
I am not saying you are wrong, but I remember he came to Finland to foght in Winter war and left few weeks later as because lack of sking skills they were not let go to front lines.
Christopher Lee had an incredible life! I've heard some of his stories. Wasn't he also in the British Secret Service?
@@michael.adamyk Indeed. I believe so. I know Ian Fleming was and actually I am descendant from minor nobility here in Finland. I wish to emulate Sir Christopher Lee's and Ian Fleming's lives and achievements.
@@michael.adamyk If i remember right he was part of commandos and in deed worked in espionage. There is legendary clip of peter Jacson at filmimg of isengard scene where *Spoilers for LOTR return of the king* where Saruman is killed, Peter wanted sir Christopher to scream but Sir Christopher told peter that he knows how people react when they are stabbed in back and Peter Jackson did not argue this.
Early versions of quenya at least have a lot of finnish words although he often changed the meanings
Kven language is easy to read as a Finn. It's like an old Finnish dialect with some Norwegian & Swedish words bent in a very Finnish way.
8:50 Calling Sampo an instrument. It was machine, that produced endless amounts of grain, salt and gold.
A mill specifically.
That makes more sense, thanks for clarifying!
Finnish Band Värttinä to Provide Musical Backdrop to First Stage Musical Adaptation of Lord of the Rings
Angel Romero November 3, 2003
New York, USA - The World Premiere of the £8 Million stage version of J.R.R. Tolkien’s “Lord of the Rings” Production will open in London in Spring 2005. “Lord of the Rings” and Finland’s influential contemporary folk group Värttinä have always had something in common. Both draw original inspiration from the Kalevala, Finland’s national epic of mythological songs, poems, and stories.
Now Tolkien’s Finnish-influenced stories and languages (such as Elvish) will have an explicit connection to Värttinä’s music and lyrics. India’s most popular composer A.R. Rahman and Värttinä are to collaborate in composing the score for the stage version of “Lord of the Rings,” which will have its World Premiere in London’s West End in Spring 2005. The production coincides with the 50th anniversary of the publication of the complete J R R Tolkien trilogy, “The Fellowship of the Ring,” “The Two Towers,” and “The Return of the King.”
worldmusiccentral.org/2003/11/03/finnish-band-varttina-to-provide-musical-backdrop-to-first-stage-musical-adaptation-of-lord-of-the-rings/
Someone else had mentioned Värttinä in previous videos, and while I was investigating them I did read about this. It's pretty neat, because even as an LOTR fan it was news to me! I'll have to see if I can find clips of it online.
Tried to listen silmarillion as an e-book. Its really hard to follow what happens. Its maybe too poetic of a book for my interest :D
It's definitely more chaotic. I'm surprised I was able to finish it in high school!
Lecture because man spoke words wrong at start
If you want to pronounce finnish correctly, one can go to google translate and listen to how each letter is pronounced. They are no silent letters or varying pronounsiations so you only need to learn them once and then you can pronounce everything forever.
Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it! I will try that. :)
@@michael.adamyk And there is no intonation within words in Finnish. Just a flat droning carrier wave, like the troll you reacter to. But there is within sentances, to emphasise different words. The order of words in a sentance structure isn't important either, as its taken over by the end-casings of each word. I think that's what Tolkien included in Quenya, the grammar. Otherwise Quenya is just gobledibook to a Finn.
he basically copied everything and changed the names
Nobody says "hei ystävät" in Finland though. We say something along the lines of "terve" or "moro" or "mitäs hinttarit" or "me ei osteta mitään" depending on the context. Sometimes we just make disapproving grunts.
I think it was a fine opening, no reason to nitpick.
@khatack Thanks for clarifying! I appreciate the correction. At that point I was going off Google Translate, which is a dangerous thing to do. 😉 I've been doing a bit of Finnish on DuoLingo now, and it does use "Terve."
Are the others that you mentioned more formal, less casual, and so on?
@@michael.adamyk These are highly casual. Formal greetings woul be reliant on the time of day, such as "Hyvää huomenta" - good morning, "Hyvää päivää" - good day or "Hyvää iltaa" - good evening. Sometimes we remove the "Hyvää" part and just say "Iltaa" for example.