it's so unfortunate that ava didnt become bigger than tom most likely was envisioning, the entire debut album is so moving and phenomenal. maybe one day they will get the recognition they deserve.
When the kids of my kids hear this, it’s gonna be one of the best bands in history, and Tom gonna be in heaven like holy shit! and we would have lived in the times when they were still Around to see on stage
Because no one likes this type of music. Mainstream music in every era is pretty much a clear encapsulation of what society is. Rap/Hip-Hop is the main right now but declining which means that society is what Rap/Hip-Go stands for. Why do you think that society sucks right now? The music doesn't necessarily make people like that but it does reinforce what society is feeling/acting like. Rap: money, sex, drugs, hoes, bros, players, etc. Rock: depending on the genre or the artist it is mostly about emotion whether sad or happy. blink-182 was/is about being young, Box Car Racer is about maturing and the grittiness of life, and AVA is about maturity and seeing the world through Love, acceptance, and action.
Well I think what really fucked it up is that he took too long after Blink imploded. That, or he just created too much ill will with how it all went down. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future people look to the dissolution of blink 182 as a cultural turning point. They were the shoulders that a generations culture was resting on, then that support just went away. I think if you were there, and you look back, that time of my life around their breakup was highlighted by a lot of confusion. Sure, it spurred a lot of growth but I can imagine some group of friends probably lost that connection that kept them together. That song that mark made with plus 44, hits way different if you go listen to it as an adult with some perspective because you can clearly hear that Mark had at least some notion of what they meant to a lot of people. For me, AvA managed to become a new guiding light, kinda informed my new outlook. Even in the shittiest of times theirs something awesome and amazing to be found in life, don't ever forget that and just believe that things are going to be okay as long as you're putting out that energy. But I still recognized and picked up on the negative personality traits that had kinda became apparent through the breakup. To me, he's human and not infallible, no big, I still believe in the message of the band. However, as time went on he either started giving up or he never really believed in it. So, I think a lot of people saw through him and saw that flimsiness in his conviction, he didn't really believe the things he was singing, he's disingenuous, selling a lie. To be honest, coming up with a magical idea that inspires people that slowly loses steam until it just can't be supported any more has a certain smell to it that some of you might be familiar with, notably drug fueled inspiration. You can't keep it up forever....but you can sustain it for a really fuxiing long time if you don't have to worry about funds. To be clear, Im not saying he was out of control, you don't have to be ODing to get these manic-like ideas and feel like some supernatural force is pushing you to make your ideas reality. It feels good to work on it, it feels good to think about it, it feels good to talk about it. It becomes part of getting high, even if getting high is just sustaining a constant and manageable buzz. I've felt that and actually improved my life because of that mechanism. However, I'm not a millionaire and I couldn't sustain it forever. Cracks start to show and eventually you come down and those dreams you had suddenly don't seem lined with gold, the path isn't laid out like you said it before. Things have gotten complicated and it's a mess of thorns and every thorn takes just a little bit more to get past. Then when you truly come down, you realize your priorities are different now, you're not that person anymore when you started. I guess I'm saying it was probably a bunch of things that contributed to why they didn't gain that foothold. I think it's a combination of what I mentioned. Specifically, blink were the cultural guiding light and they just snashed it to pieces. A generation found themselves without a focus point and everyone just kind of had to find their own way without anyone or thing to guide them. By the time Tom came out with AvA people had already found their new guides and it was just too little too late.
Watched this again today and it reminds me again in such a pure way why I started TIGERVOICE and how it feels to stand in your craft with pride and hard work!
It's such a shame Atom and David aren't in the band anymore, they really were the glue man. I get that David still plays with them live, but he doesn't help write the songs anymore.
it's clear he was onto something some spiritual high to become the next big U2 band that could lift people off the ground it's interesting to see how dead-set he was on the finished product and how he envisioned the whole branding/clothing/art direction and everything else for this project way before it all came together. He probably expected Angels & Airwaves to become much more and way more popular than they ended up being.
Add living in the shadow of blink, and the resentment showered from so many ppl. I personally know a lot of people that wouldn’t even give it a chance because “fuck him!! He killed blink!!?” 😢 I LOVE AVA. So ambitious
Tom unfortunately suffers from his early and immediate success, which has distorted his view of how the world and success actually work. You only get one bite at the apple. And he had that with Blink. Blink was a case of right time, right place. It wasn't a result of his or Mark's genius. But Tom's success has led him to think that he can find mass appeal again using just sheer will and creativity. Don't get me wrong, I think AVA is way better than Blink, but expecting lightning to strike twice is delusional.
Still would argue that Tom Delonge, maybe not the greatest guitarist/musician, but im coining him one of the great melodist. Not sure if thats a word, if it isnt its been coined. Say what you will about him, he comes up with some catchy melodies/riffs
Seriously, they really are one of the best bands I’ve experienced…and I am a TooL fan. 😂 🫶🏻 I actually missed their existence until relatively recently (embarrassingly recently) because I have been in the bubble of Med School and Residency when they started. I would travel across the world to see them live and I’m afraid I’ll never get a chance to see them live. 😢
It’s called the machine. It’s a alternate version of start the machine off of we don’t need to whisper. You can look it up on TH-cam since it’s not on Spotify or Apple Music
They really acted like Tom saying that about the music was something totally out of character and like somehow that’s not him. I hate that he’s even going along with it because it’s contrived.
i can always tell when ppl don't know anything about music when they say the riffs are the same. Its just a major scale, neither screeching weasel nor Tom came up with it. Guest list is in a completely different key to The Adventure
![Angels And Airwaves - Start The Machine [SUB ITA]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kVLytKp_Uj0/mqdefault.jpg)
it's so unfortunate that ava didnt become bigger than tom most likely was envisioning, the entire debut album is so moving and phenomenal. maybe one day they will get the recognition they deserve.
I don’t understand how Angels and Airwaves didn’t become the biggest band in history. Everything about them is so fucking cool.
When the kids of my kids hear this, it’s gonna be one of the best bands in history, and Tom gonna be in heaven like holy shit! and we would have lived in the times when they were still
Around to see on stage
Because no one likes this type of music. Mainstream music in every era is pretty much a clear encapsulation of what society is. Rap/Hip-Hop is the main right now but declining which means that society is what Rap/Hip-Go stands for. Why do you think that society sucks right now? The music doesn't necessarily make people like that but it does reinforce what society is feeling/acting like. Rap: money, sex, drugs, hoes, bros, players, etc. Rock: depending on the genre or the artist it is mostly about emotion whether sad or happy. blink-182 was/is about being young, Box Car Racer is about maturing and the grittiness of life, and AVA is about maturity and seeing the world through Love, acceptance, and action.
Well I think what really fucked it up is that he took too long after Blink imploded. That, or he just created too much ill will with how it all went down.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future people look to the dissolution of blink 182 as a cultural turning point.
They were the shoulders that a generations culture was resting on, then that support just went away.
I think if you were there, and you look back, that time of my life around their breakup was highlighted by a lot of confusion. Sure, it spurred a lot of growth but I can imagine some group of friends probably lost that connection that kept them together.
That song that mark made with plus 44, hits way different if you go listen to it as an adult with some perspective because you can clearly hear that Mark had at least some notion of what they meant to a lot of people.
For me, AvA managed to become a new guiding light, kinda informed my new outlook. Even in the shittiest of times theirs something awesome and amazing to be found in life, don't ever forget that and just believe that things are going to be okay as long as you're putting out that energy.
But I still recognized and picked up on the negative personality traits that had kinda became apparent through the breakup. To me, he's human and not infallible, no big, I still believe in the message of the band. However, as time went on he either started giving up or he never really believed in it.
So, I think a lot of people saw through him and saw that flimsiness in his conviction, he didn't really believe the things he was singing, he's disingenuous, selling a lie.
To be honest, coming up with a magical idea that inspires people that slowly loses steam until it just can't be supported any more has a certain smell to it that some of you might be familiar with, notably drug fueled inspiration. You can't keep it up forever....but you can sustain it for a really fuxiing long time if you don't have to worry about funds. To be clear, Im not saying he was out of control, you don't have to be ODing to get these manic-like ideas and feel like some supernatural force is pushing you to make your ideas reality.
It feels good to work on it, it feels good to think about it, it feels good to talk about it. It becomes part of getting high, even if getting high is just sustaining a constant and manageable buzz. I've felt that and actually improved my life because of that mechanism. However, I'm not a millionaire and I couldn't sustain it forever. Cracks start to show and eventually you come down and those dreams you had suddenly don't seem lined with gold, the path isn't laid out like you said it before. Things have gotten complicated and it's a mess of thorns and every thorn takes just a little bit more to get past. Then when you truly come down, you realize your priorities are different now, you're not that person anymore when you started.
I guess I'm saying it was probably a bunch of things that contributed to why they didn't gain that foothold. I think it's a combination of what I mentioned.
Specifically, blink were the cultural guiding light and they just snashed it to pieces. A generation found themselves without a focus point and everyone just kind of had to find their own way without anyone or thing to guide them. By the time Tom came out with AvA people had already found their new guides and it was just too little too late.
wrong place wrong time
Exactly
I remember being so inspired when this came out. Also, this reminds me how much I miss Atom in the band. He was such a huuuuuuuge part of their sound.
AGREED!!! #AtomWillard
This keeps me inspired to write music and dream of one day releasing an album...
It's really not that hard these days
Just do it dude. I mean, it's simple if you really want it. Take your time to work on that.
Need help? I’d love to write music with someone
Amen! Or nanu nanu?
@@TowelGuy365Still down for that?
Need them back so badly ..
One of my favorite parts of this doc was just how good a band mate and friend David Kennedy is.. what a solid dude
Watched this again today and it reminds me again in such a pure way why I started TIGERVOICE and how it feels to stand in your craft with pride and hard work!
Just found your soundcloud, cool stuff! Keep at it :)
Thanks for uploading.
This was a great watch
It's such a shame Atom and David aren't in the band anymore, they really were the glue man.
I get that David still plays with them live, but he doesn't help write the songs anymore.
I don't think David ever really helped write
Have you actually watched Start The Machine?
He's seen help write the whole album and also credited. @@MrCodyWarner
This our new band name fuckers...angels and airwaves can't you tell....what a time in history this was
Haha yes! Full stop! ♥️
15:23 yesssahhh! Vocals ftw ♥️
it's clear he was onto something
some spiritual high to become the next big U2 band that could lift people off the ground
it's interesting to see how dead-set he was on the finished product and how he envisioned the whole branding/clothing/art direction and everything else for this project way before it all came together.
He probably expected Angels & Airwaves to become much more and way more popular than they ended up being.
Yep.
I think the world was already way too emotional dead for this band to become real big. same with the whole alien thing.. people do not care.
Add living in the shadow of blink, and the resentment showered from so many ppl. I personally know a lot of people that wouldn’t even give it a chance because “fuck him!! He killed blink!!?” 😢
I LOVE AVA. So ambitious
Tom unfortunately suffers from his early and immediate success, which has distorted his view of how the world and success actually work. You only get one bite at the apple. And he had that with Blink. Blink was a case of right time, right place. It wasn't a result of his or Mark's genius. But Tom's success has led him to think that he can find mass appeal again using just sheer will and creativity. Don't get me wrong, I think AVA is way better than Blink, but expecting lightning to strike twice is delusional.
It was also a result from their "geniuses"@@KidFreshie
54:21 "second coming of Gandhi, maybe.." is still one of my favorite jokes of all time as of 2024
I remember waiting sooooo long for this. Fuck yeah.
Thanks very much, yo.
Still would argue that Tom Delonge, maybe not the greatest guitarist/musician, but im coining him one of the great melodist. Not sure if thats a word, if it isnt its been coined. Say what you will about him, he comes up with some catchy melodies/riffs
Seriously, they really are one of the best bands I’ve experienced…and I am a TooL fan. 😂 🫶🏻
I actually missed their existence until relatively recently (embarrassingly recently) because I have been in the bubble of Med School and Residency when they started. I would travel across the world to see them live and I’m afraid I’ll never get a chance to see them live. 😢
I'm afraid of never seeing them also 😢😢
11:04 Even if she Falls - Neighborhoods.
its a recycled Rif yes.
what song is that in the outro?
It’s called the machine. It’s a alternate version of start the machine off of we don’t need to whisper. You can look it up on TH-cam since it’s not on Spotify or Apple Music
It hurts
Hurts so good.
@@hobojungle1 And Adventure as well. "Hey, yo... Yo... here I am! Here we go, life's waiting to begin..." ( 20:41 )
I love this so much!
David is lowkey their producer...
This is only 3 years after the video footage of the recording process for Blink's self-titled album, with a very different tom😂
43:03 little bit of Ghost on the dancefloor?
They really acted like Tom saying that about the music was something totally out of character and like somehow that’s not him. I hate that he’s even going along with it because it’s contrived.
Maybe he’s just good at acting & you’re taking this all seriously.
@@DigYourOwnSky …delusion and/or lack of self awareness and how you’re perceived by your culture is pretty plain
Dog what?
Where can I get this song version of start the machine
It’s a deluxe track on the UK version of WDNTW, it’s on Spotify.
13:40
..all of the sudden... "rips of screeching weasel - guest list guitar riff" kkkkkkk
i can always tell when ppl don't know anything about music when they say the riffs are the same. Its just a major scale, neither screeching weasel nor Tom came up with it. Guest list is in a completely different key to The Adventure
@@lilstjimmy yes I see you can
This. ♥️
yeah ur 2024 still yeah
Lol, that story about half the album leaking was an inside job as hell.
44:27
44:40
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