Seriously, Is it just me or has anyone else fallen in love with this guy ?. One of the most informative, interesting and honest firearm reviewers i have listened to. Keep up the good work.
Winchester 1200 was my first pump shotgun. A Christmas gift from my loving parents. Still as good as new despite 35 years of use. Will never get rid of it.
I also was given a model 1200 it was a 20ga, 46 years ago and has killed many squirrels and rabbits, is still in very good condition. Like you I could never get rid of it.
I have both. Have not shot the Winchester much, it is the defender, short barrel. Both have very smooth actions, never any problems. I had a mossberg 500 in 20 gauge….it was not smooth……gave it away. Thanks Mike
Proud owner of a Winchester Mod 1200 - first hunting gun I ever bought at 18 years old and I used it for all my hunting needs. Took my first deer with it too. I have several shotguns and just love my old winchester the best. I have a Mossburg Maverick for home defense and my Winchester. The Winchester is just too long for swinging in a house so I have the Mossburg with a short barrel and it's perfect for the application.
When I was kid I couldn’t always afford shells, so my older brother and his friends paid for them and I would have to clean a lube the guns. This really helped me because I got to disassemble, clean, lube, and LEARN about the ins and outs many different shotguns. I cleaned , Remington 870’s, 1100’s, 11-87’s, Winchester 12, 54, 120, 1200, 1300, 1400, Ithaca 37, Browning bps, gold, Mossberg 500’s. I started by borrowing my moms 20ga Mossberg, but saved up and bought my own shotgun, a Winchester 1300 Ranger. My buddy and I both had Winchester 1300’s and we could cycle them so fast people thought we were shooting semi-autos. Personally I prefer Winchester and Browning’s, I own 4 Winchester pumps, a Browning semi and couple o/u. While I know the other shotguns work and are fine, I don’t ever think I’ll own a Mossberg or Remington pump gun. Winchester 1300 “Speed Pump” all the way for me!!
It is so fantastic when a gunner finds the shotgun and/or rifle that is perfect for them. No more confusion. No more soul searching about which gun is right. Much like knowing what one is going to order from the menu before the menu arrives - ideal!
I was indecided, so I bought the 3.!! Winchester 1200, Remington 870, Mossberg 500.!!! ...and a Winchester 1300... Love the 4 equally.!!!!!!! ( And later on, one more Rem. 870 Magnum, one more Moss. 500 ( slug bbl.), one more Win. 1300 short bbl.) So, I Guess I like them....
Agree with you on the 1300. Best shotgun ever. Winchester developed superior steel designing the 1300. Aparently one of the strongest lock up designs for a 12G.
Without a doubt. I bought a Magnum Wingmaster in 1983 and it's a jewel compared to the current models. Fortunately, one 870 will last several lifetimes of shooting, so I don't lament the quality decline.
Both are great guns . A gunsmith recently told me that along with being lighter and not rusting , the alloy receivers are also less likely to crack than steel . He said that in all his years of being a Smith he hasn't seen it often with steel , but never with alloy . That said the 870 is a great shotgun.
I actually had an 870 that got ran over by a truck and it still worked fine! I'm not much of a Remington fan anymore these days but they did the 870 right.
Same here. I own many more Winchester guns then I do with Remington. By coincidence only 2 Remington's I own are 2 different 870. But since the 1990's the quality of Remington on all of their guns went right down the tubes, with their whole company.
@@airbornesoldieramerica7125 I own only one 870 bought new from the late 80's or early 90's with the camo furniture and it functions flawlessly and I added a Carlson's 8 rd. extension mag tube so it now has the 8 + 1 capacity but I did have to dremel out that magazine dimple to add that modification but was really an easy mod to do !!!!
Winchester 1300, 5+1 round version is my first firearm, and this is a GREAT masterpiece of engineering. The wood is slightly different, the fore-end is larger in diameter, very handle and comfort for shooting. In the local russian market Wichester 1300 is becoming more and more rare after an export ban, like all other american-made firearms, and i'm happy that I own it.
I owned a vintage 870 Wingmaster in 20 gauge. Many birds were felled at the working end of that barrel. I recently gifted it to my son. I do own a 1300 in 12 gauge, and find it to be an excellent shotgun as well. Either is a winner in my book.
I have a Winchester 120, which was an inexpensive at the time (1980's) I bought it. It has proved to be a pretty good shotgun that has never failed. The wood is pretty nice and it has a ringtail forend and came with three choke tubes with external knurling. I guess it was just a cheaper 1300.
I like the 870, Growing up we hunted with Model 7600 rifles and 870 shotguns so the position of the slide release for me is what's natural. It's ashame that Remingtons QC has went down in recent years, but for new shotguns we've been buying Winchester SXPs!
Any gun that’s been in production for 69 years has to be a great one. I’ve owned two, a twelve and a twenty. Gave the twelve to my oldest son and the twenty to my middle son. My youngest son can’t walk very well so he’s not interested in wing shooting though he does enjoy deer hunting.
Very honest and objective review. I own both and like them both.Your correct about the action on the 1300, it's like butter. The 870 is heavier and the action not as smooth as the 1300 but, it gives one the feeling of being built like a tank, indestructible. IMHO everyone should own at least one good American made pump shotgun. Thanks, and great job on this video.
I'm a definite 870 fan but that Winchester does look slick, I've never owned one of those. They're both truly beautiful for "utilitarian" guns. Thanks for sharing.
Great video the first shotgun I bought when I was 11 yrs old 1972 was a Remington wing master 12ga plain barrel I saved my money for a long time if memory serves me I paid $88.97 brand new! I shot 870 wingmasters until the early 2000s when I switched to gas operated automatics. I discovered Winchester 1200-1300 about 10 years ago because you can buy the 1200 fixed choke guns dirt Cheap. I love them I have owned many of them now and I will have to say I prefer the Winchester pumps. I rarely use a pump for hunting now but when I do it’s a Winchester either model 1200 or one of my model 12s. Thanks for your channel.
I have a 1972 model 1200 my dad bought new. He had it out once before being given a 870 express wingmaster. He gifted me the 1200 and I absolutely love it. Has the same finish on the bolt as your 1300 does. It's a beautiful gun and everyone that shoots it's jaws drop at the buttery smooth action.
My first purchased shotgun is a Winchester 1300 Field. Absolutely great gun can not complain. Only thing that rub me wrong is my pump action rubbed against the frame and caused some marring of the bluing almost looks like what he showed in this video.
The 870 is a superbly reliable design. Simple, strong and dependable. A great service weapon when made to be one. I’ve taken thousands of birds with my Winchester 1300. It never let me down and I was remarkably accurate with it. There were many many days I went one for one. It gave me a lot of great meals. These new service models with bull pup type designs and selective magazine tubes for easy change from buckshot to slugs is quite effective in a fluid combat situation. I think the modern designs would benefit from proven classical ergonomics. Form following fiction always has to be balanced. Nothing sounds like a model 98 in my opinion. A shotgun his real hard to beat. That’s why that particular shotgun was banned after WWI. There close devastation with the range and power of modern slug loads is a must have in combat. I remember a shots fired situation where I was in position first but unseen. After several of my partners, all armed with M4’s, took control of numerous violent gang members, I exited from the shadows. These violent young men where not visibly affected by all the fire power my partners brought to bear. When they became aware of my presence with my preferred weapon, every one was visibly shaken. Their composure melted. The oldest and leader looked at me with fear and shakenly blurted out, “What are you doing with that!” I was not really surprised at the psychological effect of being unseen, but the amount of fear my weapon generated in very desensitized persons was interesting to me.
Write a screenplay Aaron. The sound of a pump shotgun being slammed shut is one of the most meaningful sounds of all. Those who don't stop what they are doing when they hear that, don't hear anything ever again. Thanks for writing and protecting the people.
Both are great firearms. I do favor the Winchester 1200/1300. I learned how to shoot sporting clays on a 1200. I have never have had a malfunction or jam. The action is smooth and I really like the positioning of the safety. It lines up with my index finger perfectly. I can toggle the safety very fast without having to reposition my hand. Just my two cents. Great video! And your channel is awesome. Keep the videos coming!
Hi Mike - I didn't realize how excellent the Winchester must be. Viewers such as yourself report all kinds of superb results and longevity for these undervalued shotguns. Everyone seems to like the Rem 870 and from what I've learned the Winchester is about along side - with the Mossberg 500 as well. The Ithaca 37 is another leader people write me about.
Hi, Thanks for the reply! I have always wondered about the Ithaca 37! I have never fired an Ithaca 37. If you make a video about it I’ll be sure to watch it. Also, The Winchester 1200 is a fine shotgun as well. It is the predecessor of the 1300.
I like both makers- Winchester and Remington. I have a Remington 870 and have never had any problem. It’s taken lots of birds and fowl. I don’t get into aesthetics with shotguns. I just need it to work. And always work. And my 870 does. On the flip side I have Winchester rifles- an 1894 and a model 70. Wonderful craftsmanship and fantastic shooters.
That is a great note to receive. Thousands of rounds is the ultimate proof - the Winchester 1300 is a tank and undervalued and underappreciated - awesome shotguns. Thanks for sharing.
I have both pumps in different gauges. Have 2 Winchester 1300 one in the 12 gauge and other in the 20 gauge. Then have 2 Remington 870 one in 12 gauge and the other in the 16 gauge. Don't know why and don't understand this, but I usually shoot better with the Winchester pump much better then the Remington pump. But I do like were the put the safety on the Remington much better and closer to me or the shooter I should say then were the Winchester safety is, near front of trigger guard. I found this very important, specially for pheasant hunting. But lately learning a lot about the Ithaca shotguns. Then after seeing this video, now thinking about getting the Ithaca and the Mossberg and a over & under shotgun then I will have a very nice shotgun collection. For some unknown reason I got many more pheasants with the Winchester pump then I did with the Remington pump or any of the single shot shotguns I have.
Great post! I hope you get all the ones you mention. Most people seem to shoot the O/Us best - but you may have an undefinable "fit" with the 1300s - I have the same sort of thing with certain guns and certain stocks. These are the intangibles that make guns and hunting special. Thanks for writing!
Thank you for comparing these iconic Remington and Winchester shotguns. I own a Winchester 1200 with a 2-3/4, 29" barrel and 20" barrel. It always runs flawlessly.
Hi Rich - you're most welcome - such legendary designs - both of them. Your 2 barrel set covers just about everything - as you know : fantastic! Thanks for the note.
Both are exceptional firearms and worthy of being in every household. Reliable beyond belief, accurate and versatile. You sir do not talk too much. It is as though I am speaking to a very knowledgeable close friend who is excited about the subject and eager to share. This is as it should be for these are wonderful shotguns available to anyone at very reasonable cost. Fine work sir.
There is definitely something about the sound of a pump action being racked that says someone is about to have fun! I have a Turkish pump that cost less than £200 and is spot on for clays and pigeons. At that price it's been remarkably reliable. However, my favourite shotgun is my Greener GP; I can actually hit pairs sometimes if I'm lucky and don't fumble the reload! Thanks for a really great video about my favourite type of shotguns.
I have both, my favorites are a 1300 turkey gun with a few birds, and a 1968 870 slug gun, and a few deer, but i have others as well. excellent group thank you
I can tell ya i purchase a winchester model 120 youth for my son 2 years ago. It was so nice that i got myself a USA made1300 XTR. I fell in love. Nicer furniture, Winchokes, lighter, faster acquisition, I think the rotating bolt is superior. Nicer barrel, nicer bump pad, nicer bead, and so much more. The whole gun feel higher quality. So my beautiful 870 was gone a week later. Never even looked back once. And I've gotten lots of people to buy them. Even today the SXP is still the best bang for your buck. And the best part, 4 to 6 hunderd bucks depending on condition or model.
I love guns, especially iconic american workhorses. Whenever I get curious about a rifle or shotgun, i always find great information on your channel Sir.
Have both love both. Both Great shotguns. if i had to pick one it would be the 870 but thats just me.. Great vid.. Thanks . Keep em coming.. Have the Mossberg too. also Great shotgun.
I used to have both of them but I sold the 870 awhile ago and the only problem I've had with the 1300 is shooting 3" Magnum slugs the bolt would slam back so fast it wouldn't load another shell I'd have to close the bolt and pump it again to load the next shell but after buying a 22" fully rifled barrel for it the 2 3/4" sabot slugs don't cause any ejection problems
I love a pump action. As a Brit I have a fine Browning B525 over and under for game shooting but I much prefer my cheap Winchester SXP pump action. It is nowhere near the quality of your pumps but the fit is fantastic for me and the high capacity comes in really handy in the hide.
Hello srspower - I think the SXP is the same action as mine - maybe some styling changes. Anyway - they are slick, strong and sound good. Mine have no issues - although other writers tell me otherwise - I can only relate my fine experience with these; undoubtedly others have other experiences.
Not sure how true, but had heard, from a local gunshop owner, current 870s use mossberg made barrels. I heard under Rems request to save money they were not polishing the chambers leaving them more rough. This was making them have issues with ejected spent shells.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I knew they made accessory barrels for REM 870s, but didnt know they were actually making them for their normal production. Guess there is truth to it. Ive never had issues with Mossberg 500/835s.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns As for the question of what caliber in a lightweight rifle is ideal for being able to knock down big game, and have controllable recoil we spoke about in another video, this is what Savage rep said to me. " The lightweights absolutely recoil heavier than a standard rifle. I personally would be looking at the 6.5 Creedmoor as ideal for the package. The 6.5mm bullets have both better ballistics than anything in .30 caliber, and higher sectional density, allowing for deeper penetration. (The world's most famous elephant hunter used 6.5mm and 7mm calibers!) The 6.5 also recoils much less than even .308. It depends on what you are hunting, and what you are comfortable with, but there isn't much that the 6.5 Creedmoor won't drop easily."
Excellent assessment. Along with the Creedmoor would be the 6.5x55 Swedish, the 6.5X57 Mauser, 6.5X54 MS. Anyway - you are right - the Creedmoor is the rage and comes in all the modern rifles. New cartridges are good for the gun industry and so they are good for all gunners - even if they are quite similar cartridges from the past. : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I was just curious what Savage had to say about it, and asked. I know Keith Warren( Hunting Show the HIGH ROAD) likes the 270 lightwieght rifle. Randy Newberg likes the 308 and 7mm-08 in the HOWA lightweight.
I have taken a lot, I don’t want to tell on myself, of dove, quail, rabbits and water foul with both. Actually my 870 has held up better than my 1300. If you don’t hold the forearm of my 1300, the bolt will come back half way. But it has provided many many great meals. The best answer to what is best, preferences aside, is what ever I have in my hands to use. I relied on the 870 as a Deputy Sheriff and it never let me down. I relied on my 1300 to provide food and it also never let me down. I like them both very much. Using other shotguns in my collection over the years, I have really never been let down by any shotgun. Very utilitarian.
Here is sweden guns are quite hard to come by you get them mainly by hunting license or club sporting. my first gun is a 870 Express, still have it shoots great on the trap club, can for the love of god hit any bird i have pointed at it tho
I had shotguns like that - I'd raise the comb an inch with foam and tape - and see what happens. In my case - after the foam and tape - everything fell down.
Liked the 870 when I had it, but felt it was a bit heavier than the 1300 and mine was a fixed choke. So changed to the 1300 about 35 years back. Does everything I need between game shooting and clays.
I have 2 Rem 870s one is the Super Magnum the other is the Marine Magnum. They are both very reliable fine working guns. My dad Has a Win 120, I have never seen another one like it. The gun is beautiful even looking on Google images I can not find a 120 that looks like his. Did they make a deluxe series? Both the 120 and 870 will serve the common man for the rest of their live even when bought used.
There were some with impressed checkering and lucky walnut that looked fabulous and an XTR model years ago - could be one of those; or maybe a custom stock. You're right - both the 870 and the Win. last indefinitely.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I checked google images for the lucky walnut and the xrt. it is neither of those. His has a decoratively engraved receiver, very high polished smooth bluing, and the stock has a very thick lacquer or poly coat like a bar top. I would like to buy a duplicate of it just because he is afraid of damaging his while hunting. His has sentimental value to him.
Thank you for comparing the Remington 870 and the Winchester 1300 Mike. My pump shotgun is somewhere between the Winchester Model 12 and the 1300. It's a Model 1200 but looks and functions almost identically to the 1300. It has served me well. I have two barrels a 28" and 20". The 20" is handy in close spaces.
My brother used to own a Winchester 1300 back in the late 90's and early 2000's except it was just the standard field gun with pistol grip instead of the straight grip. The 1300 does have a shorter stroke than a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500.
Own several of both and I prefer the 870 , although nothing wrong with the Winchester. I have a 1951( first year production) 870 that I absolutely love.
I love the 870, but after holding and looking at a Winchester 1300 XTP and cycling it and pulling the trigger, I like the 1300 more, it's a nicer looking gun and it feels smoother too.
I love both these. My first shotgun was an early 70s Winchester 1200. Bought an 870 a couple years ago and I love them both. Hard to say which I like better.
I grew up with a 1300 in the Appalachian mountains from the time i was 7 until now i would hate to know how many rounds have been through it mine was the 1300 ranger
In 1980 I bought a Winchester model 120 Deer barrel. My buddy bought an 870 Wingmaster. The 120 was more accurate than a 1300? And lighter. I bought another 120 vent rib gun,...bought a 1300 deer barrel it didn't shoot to my standards. My friend wanted it and I kept the vent ribbed barrel for my other 120. My buddy still has his Wingmaster and its still very smooth. We sometimes go Squirrel hunting with them,......we bought them after High School. About 1986 my brother bought a 1300 it was not right the chamber blew open every shot, K-Mart took it back. My Opinion is Winchester made good gun's till 1980,... after that buyer beware? If I bought a Winchester I'd run the serial number and confirm that it was made in 1980 or before. If I bought a newer one I would have to shoot the gun first*** If I bought a Remington I'd buy it for a bargain price. I'm a cheapskate. I used to love Winchesters but now they and the Ammunition company lack QUALITY control. I love shotguns just like the Pilgrims did.
Both easily available and common on the used market everyone can own one very cheap, I myself own an 870, but I prefer to spend my big bucks on my Winchester model 70s
My Remington Wingmaster magnum was made in 2004. Looks brand new. Are there differences between 2004 model and 1960s and 70s model? Older models are hard to find. Also have the 1300, very smooth action. It would be hard to pick one if I had to choose one. I enjoy watching your videos!
Perfect combination Kodey - the rifled barrel and the 1300. I've shot a few 1300s with sights and accuracy was excellent. Recoil was memorable but not too bad.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns yeah i top out at about 12 slugs. After that i start flinching too much to be accurate. Just ordered a recoil pad though, so hopefully that buys me a few more shots
The whinchester 1300 has a reciprocating bolt design is what it is. It is the same as the AR-15, and that is because when fired it uses the recoil to help push the pump back and aid in speed.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Lol thank ya. I just picked one up as my first actually "MY shotgun." for me. haha. Been checking it out and I love this thing so far. It's the Deer Hunter model so it came with a slug barrel that has rifle dovetail sights with windage and elevation adjustment, and the screw holes on the receiver to take a scope. Only sent three through it so far but it ran incredibly fast and smooth, and you can really feel that assistance in the rack back.
Nice comparison. I've shot an 870 and Winchester semi auto. The Wins seem to be more accurate and smoother than the Remingtons. I just put a deposit on a used 1300, with a number of nice extras on it. I wouldn't be unhappy with either one, both have compelling strengths.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I did get lucky finding it. I was going to pay it off slowly, but then couldn't resist just paying the balance. Been going over it the last few days. Found the manual on the Winchester site. One thing I would say to prospective buyers is to look for Winchoke written on the barrel. I don't know if some were non-winchoke, since I hadn't researched the 1300 exhaustively. Between the two, I much prefer the 1300. Buyers looking for one to modify for tactical use, would be better with the 870 due to the wealth of addons accesories available for the 870. It's still the work horse of law enforcement, security etc. The older 870's were really nice. I saw one awhile back, name escapes me, I think it's Wingflite, without looking it up. I would tell prospective buyers ,get both. One for sport and one for defense. Shotgun is essential home defense item. Keep lots of extra light loads in case it needs to be used, especially if you live in a wood house :).
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Yep...I'll never buy a Freedom Group owned firearm or equipment ........... Advanced Armament Corporation Barnes Bullets Bushmaster Firearms International Dakota Arms DPMS Panther Arms H&R Firearms Marlin Firearms Mountain Khakis Para USA Parker Gunmakers Remington Arms Remington LE Remington Military Remington PMPD TAPCO storm lake barrels Nesika timber smith
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Yep that's me and I buy older revolvers as well just seem to be made better and better quality and craftsmanship back then especially any firearms prior to the early 90's !!!
What’s funny to me is my Winchester 1300 had the ribbed pump and my buddies Remington 870 had the fancy pump your Winchester has and the woods are exactly opposite also(lighter color on my Winchester and darker on friends 870) I at first thought you had them mixed up. Idk if it was the gun or my abilities but many times duck hunting with that friend. Many times 3 ducks would come into range , we had agreement on which each shot at as I called them in ... I’d shoot two he’d miss his one then I’d take the third when he was just ejecting the first shell... of course this was many decades ago lol
I own both of these and i can honestly say that they’re both beautiful and dependable firearms and very dear to my heart, I strongly advise anyone looking for a shotgun to use for either home defense or for hunting to try and find either one of these. PS If you like the 870, look for the ones made in the 50s-60s, those are the best 👌🏻
I have a 870 Wingmaster barrel that was built in 1976 and yet does not have the vented ribbing at the top. The vented ribbed barrels started around 1960. I thought the non ribbed barrels might have been phased out by 1976. Does anyone have any history on the barrel designs? I have been looking online and can't find the barrel history.
That's a good subject and observation. I didn't think of it - but I guess they stopped offering rib-less barrels. Sorry I don't know the dates and details though. If I find out I'll say something. Thanks for the question.
Thanks for the review. I'm looking for a good early Wingmaster to go with my M37, model 12 and 1897. These classic steel receiver guns are fantastic quality considering they were made (mostly) as tools for working people.
Pressures in a shotgun are indeed very low vs rifles but the weight that is being pushed down the barrel 440-600 grains of lead,still create a big recoil vs a low weight rifle round.. Actions of shotgun need to be strong and i own a 1893 winchester and wenn i compare that action to the Mossberg 500/Remington 870 design of a lug that comes out the bolt falling in a barrel extension.....Me personal i think it looks weak,for me the Winchester 1300 is a much stronger action but nothing beats the 1893/1897 design. And i have a 1887 winchester and that action is stronger too if u ask me then what most modern shotguns used (a lug that pops out of the bolt into a barrel extension) But on the otherhand wenn things work without breaking there is no need to make them stronger..
Hi Ben - the 1897 could be a rifle - extremely strong action just as you say; the 1300 is a turn bolt - also very strong; but I like your closing statement...if it works... not everyone has clear thinking like that.
I scored a beautiful remington 870 wingmaster. I traded my new russian sks. Oh yeah also a 702 plinkster. I traded off my 1022 for the sks then traded sks for shotgun. I first traded my 303 british no1mk3* for the 1022 ruger with 3 banana mags. My bro traded off a tikka 2506 for a gevarm semiauto 22 and russia sks. Good trades in a day. I traded my backpacker 410 for the 702.
As far as I know, since 2014 there was no import of 870s into Russia so it is a good investment, because they are getting more and more valuable with time.
Good video. Why do you have the rifle, and shotgun behind you, resting on their muzzles? Your intro music volume, is much louder, than your voice. Are you willing, to make a video on how to find used guns, like the ones featured in your videos?
Hi snoozer - always good to store some muzzle up and others muzzle down. You can fit a lot more in a given area and oil from the action won't always soak down into the grip. An old method that works. Good idea on the finding used guns - will do. Cheers.
I've picked up 3 870 wing masters at various gun shows sold by individuals one for $200 in mint condition. Question: are the newer(80s and 90s) wing masters as good as the old ones? What's different?
Hi Russell - The 870 can be a great buy - and $200. is exceptional. The older 870s had a better finish on the receiver and other metal parts; although the anodizing was about the same. Overall the older 870s seemed less "machine made" - even though they probably were. I always prefer the 870s from the 70s. As far as function goes - I see no difference. Hope this helps.
Seriously, Is it just me or has anyone else fallen in love with this guy ?. One of the most informative, interesting and honest firearm reviewers i have listened to. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Robert - comments such as yours are so inspiring and help me so much.
Next Paul Harrell incoming!
Ditto!
gay
Yes
Winchester 1200 was my first pump shotgun. A Christmas gift from my loving parents. Still as good as new despite 35 years of use. Will never get rid of it.
I also was given a model 1200 it was a 20ga, 46 years ago and has killed many squirrels and rabbits, is still in very good condition. Like you I could never get rid of it.
I have both. Have not shot the Winchester much, it is the defender, short barrel. Both have very smooth actions, never any problems. I had a mossberg 500 in 20 gauge….it was not smooth……gave it away. Thanks Mike
Proud owner of a Winchester Mod 1200 - first hunting gun I ever bought at 18 years old and I used it for all my hunting needs. Took my first deer with it too. I have several shotguns and just love my old winchester the best. I have a Mossburg Maverick for home defense and my Winchester. The Winchester is just too long for swinging in a house so I have the Mossburg with a short barrel and it's perfect for the application.
When I was kid I couldn’t always afford shells, so my older brother and his friends paid for them and I would have to clean a lube the guns.
This really helped me because I got to disassemble, clean, lube, and LEARN about the ins and outs many different shotguns. I cleaned , Remington 870’s, 1100’s, 11-87’s, Winchester 12, 54, 120, 1200, 1300, 1400, Ithaca 37, Browning bps, gold, Mossberg 500’s.
I started by borrowing my moms 20ga Mossberg, but saved up and bought my own shotgun, a Winchester 1300 Ranger.
My buddy and I both had Winchester 1300’s and we could cycle them so fast people thought we were shooting semi-autos.
Personally I prefer Winchester and Browning’s, I own 4 Winchester pumps, a Browning semi and couple o/u. While I know the other shotguns work and are fine, I don’t ever think I’ll own a Mossberg or Remington pump gun. Winchester 1300 “Speed Pump” all the way for me!!
It is so fantastic when a gunner finds the shotgun and/or rifle that is perfect for them. No more confusion. No more soul searching about which gun is right. Much like knowing what one is going to order from the menu before the menu arrives - ideal!
I have a Winchester 1200 from 71' or 72'. Its one in my collection I'll never get rid of.
You bet - that is a keeper!
Dumping the Winchester Model 1200 - why? Objectively, I would like to know.
@@salvadorpneri oh no, I was saying I would never get rid of it. Love that shotgun.
Same here. She’s a beaut
@@testhim7773 I've been shooting her recently getting ready for deer season and every time I set it down I think the same exact thing, she's a beauty.
I was indecided, so I bought the 3.!!
Winchester 1200,
Remington 870,
Mossberg 500.!!!
...and a Winchester 1300...
Love the 4 equally.!!!!!!!
( And later on, one more
Rem. 870 Magnum, one more Moss. 500 ( slug bbl.), one more Win. 1300 short bbl.)
So, I Guess I like them....
Winchester 1300 all day, fit and feel of the speed pump.
They are incredibly fine!
Agree with you on the 1300. Best shotgun ever. Winchester developed superior steel designing the 1300. Aparently one of the strongest lock up designs for a 12G.
Hi Craig - for sure a very strong shotgun and thousands of people love them.
Good enough benelli coppied it.
Definitely locks up strong but all the others are plenty strong for 12 gauge.
My family has shot the same 1300 for 25+ years without any hiccups or barrel change
The old 870s are nicer than the newer ones in my humble opinion.
I agree - much nicer.
Without a doubt. I bought a Magnum Wingmaster in 1983 and it's a jewel compared to the current models. Fortunately, one 870 will last several lifetimes of shooting, so I don't lament the quality decline.
1972 870 Wingmaster. damn if it doesn’t shoot slugs right on the money at 50yards.
1000% I just got an early 70's 870 Wingmaster and it is a work of art compared to my modern 870. It's awful in comparison.
Mine's a 1970 in mint condition
Both are great guns . A gunsmith recently told me that along with being lighter and not rusting , the alloy receivers are also less likely to crack than steel . He said that in all his years of being a Smith he hasn't seen it often with steel , but never with alloy . That said the 870 is a great shotgun.
I've had my 1300 for over 30 yrs. When you shoot it almost pumps itself. Smooth. 2-3/4 and 3". Love it.
Awesome - absolutely awesome.
Sounds like my 46 year old model 1200! LOL!
I actually had an 870 that got ran over by a truck and it still worked fine! I'm not much of a Remington fan anymore these days but they did the 870 right.
100% - would make a good Remington commercial.
Winchester always just seems to be of higher quality than Remington...
Many people only buy Winchesters.
Same here. I own many more Winchester guns then I do with Remington. By coincidence only 2 Remington's I own are 2 different 870. But since the 1990's the quality of Remington on all of their guns went right down the tubes, with their whole company.
@@airbornesoldieramerica7125 I own only one 870 bought new from the late 80's or early 90's with the camo furniture and it functions flawlessly and I added a Carlson's 8 rd. extension mag tube so it now has the 8 + 1 capacity but I did have to dremel out that magazine dimple to add that modification but was really an easy mod to do !!!!
Love my win 1300, thanks for the video.
Roger that Victor - thanks for watching.
traded my 1300 for a 870 express....i have the buyers remorse lol! not that the 870 is bad, but the Winchester is better!
Winchester 1300, 5+1 round version is my first firearm, and this is a GREAT masterpiece of engineering. The wood is slightly different, the fore-end is larger in diameter, very handle and comfort for shooting. In the local russian market Wichester 1300 is becoming more and more rare after an export ban, like all other american-made firearms, and i'm happy that I own it.
Thats the exact shotgun i have and im happy i have it too
@@BushmasterXM15-E2S Ditto!
I owned a vintage 870 Wingmaster in 20 gauge. Many birds were felled at the working end of that barrel. I recently gifted it to my son. I do own a 1300 in 12 gauge, and find it to be an excellent shotgun as well. Either is a winner in my book.
Many agree with you.
I have a Winchester 120, which was an inexpensive at the time (1980's) I bought it. It has proved to be a pretty good shotgun that has never failed. The wood is pretty nice and it has a ringtail forend and came with three choke tubes with external knurling. I guess it was just a cheaper 1300.
That is the ticket Dane - in 20 Ga : Perfect!
i got one as well made in the 80s and i paid £100 absolutely love it.will never get rid of it
I'm going Winchester 1300 as well. Just a little better design in my opinion. The actions are just so dang slick!
I like the 870, Growing up we hunted with Model 7600 rifles and 870 shotguns so the position of the slide release for me is what's natural. It's ashame that Remingtons QC has went down in recent years, but for new shotguns we've been buying Winchester SXPs!
I have a Remington model 48 20 gauge. Love it
Hi Morris - What a fine shotgun - and few know - but you do! 👍
That Winchester 1300 has a really slick action and a nice sound when she is racked!
100%
Any gun that’s been in production for 69 years has to be a great one. I’ve owned two, a twelve and a twenty. Gave the twelve to my oldest son and the twenty to my middle son. My youngest son can’t walk very well so he’s not interested in wing shooting though he does enjoy deer hunting.
Very honest and objective review. I own both and like them both.Your correct about the action on the 1300, it's like butter. The 870 is heavier and the action not as smooth as the 1300 but, it gives one the feeling of being built like a tank, indestructible. IMHO everyone should own at least one good American made pump shotgun. Thanks, and great job on this video.
I'm a definite 870 fan but that Winchester does look slick, I've never owned one of those. They're both truly beautiful for "utilitarian" guns. Thanks for sharing.
Both so good - I like the turn bolt locking of the Winchester - and it has a certain feel to it; but who can argue with the 870 : )
Great video the first shotgun I bought when I was 11 yrs old 1972 was a Remington wing master 12ga plain barrel I saved my money for a long time if memory serves me I paid $88.97 brand new! I shot 870 wingmasters until the early 2000s when I switched to gas operated automatics. I discovered Winchester 1200-1300 about 10 years ago because you can buy the 1200 fixed choke guns dirt Cheap. I love them I have owned many of them now and I will have to say I prefer the Winchester pumps. I rarely use a pump for hunting now but when I do it’s a Winchester either model 1200 or one of my model 12s. Thanks for your channel.
I have a 1972 model 1200 my dad bought new. He had it out once before being given a 870 express wingmaster. He gifted me the 1200 and I absolutely love it. Has the same finish on the bolt as your 1300 does. It's a beautiful gun and everyone that shoots it's jaws drop at the buttery smooth action.
My first purchased shotgun is a Winchester 1300 Field. Absolutely great gun can not complain. Only thing that rub me wrong is my pump action rubbed against the frame and caused some marring of the bluing almost looks like what he showed in this video.
Great video young man! I carry a Ithaca 37 featherweight Grouse and Woodcock hunting and my 870 for waterfowl and turkey! Both great guns!
Comparing two at a time is an excellent approach. Great review and video. :-)
Thanks Rick!
The 870 is a superbly reliable design. Simple, strong and dependable. A great service weapon when made to be one. I’ve taken thousands of birds with my Winchester 1300. It never let me down and I was remarkably accurate with it. There were many many days I went one for one. It gave me a lot of great meals.
These new service models with bull pup type designs and selective magazine tubes for easy change from buckshot to slugs is quite effective in a fluid combat situation. I think the modern designs would benefit from proven classical ergonomics. Form following fiction always has to be balanced.
Nothing sounds like a model 98 in my opinion. A shotgun his real hard to beat. That’s why that particular shotgun was banned after WWI. There close devastation with the range and power of modern slug loads is a must have in combat.
I remember a shots fired situation where I was in position first but unseen. After several of my partners, all armed with M4’s, took control of numerous violent gang members, I exited from the shadows. These violent young men where not visibly affected by all the fire power my partners brought to bear. When they became aware of my presence with my preferred weapon, every one was visibly shaken. Their composure melted. The oldest and leader looked at me with fear and shakenly blurted out, “What are you doing with that!” I was not really surprised at the psychological effect of being unseen, but the amount of fear my weapon generated in very desensitized persons was interesting to me.
Write a screenplay Aaron. The sound of a pump shotgun being slammed shut is one of the most meaningful sounds of all. Those who don't stop what they are doing when they hear that, don't hear anything ever again. Thanks for writing and protecting the people.
Both are great firearms. I do favor the Winchester 1200/1300. I learned how to shoot sporting clays on a 1200. I have never have had a malfunction or jam. The action is smooth and I really like the positioning of the safety. It lines up with my index finger perfectly. I can toggle the safety very fast without having to reposition my hand. Just my two cents. Great video! And your channel is awesome. Keep the videos coming!
Hi Mike - I didn't realize how excellent the Winchester must be. Viewers such as yourself report all kinds of superb results and longevity for these undervalued shotguns. Everyone seems to like the Rem 870 and from what I've learned the Winchester is about along side - with the Mossberg 500 as well. The Ithaca 37 is another leader people write me about.
Hi, Thanks for the reply! I have always wondered about the Ithaca 37! I have never fired an Ithaca 37. If you make a video about it I’ll be sure to watch it. Also, The Winchester 1200 is a fine shotgun as well. It is the predecessor of the 1300.
I do like the idea of Ithaca’s bottom ejection. Never owned one but I have an old hunting partner who had one when we were in high school.
J.M.Browning design.
Model 12 Winchester Is The Best Just My Opinion 😊 If He Was Still Alive You Could Ask Herb Parsons I’m Sure He Would Agree 😀😊😀
Model 12 is nice but I’m going with the JC Higgins model 20 myself for title of “the best”.
I like both makers- Winchester and Remington. I have a Remington 870 and have never had any problem. It’s taken lots of birds and fowl. I don’t get into aesthetics with shotguns. I just need it to work. And always work. And my 870 does. On the flip side I have Winchester rifles- an 1894 and a model 70. Wonderful craftsmanship and fantastic shooters.
I havw a winchester defender for a long time, a very good shotgun!
You are getting pretty fancy with the opening..... Another good, worthwhile video... Thanks
My producers...I'm not smart enough to know how to do tech stuff on the web. Thanks for noticing!
USOG .... Great videos.... keep it up!
I have a Winchester 1300 Defender. I bought it 1994. Still looks like new. Never ever let me down. Thousands of rounds. Never had any problem.
That is a great note to receive. Thousands of rounds is the ultimate proof - the Winchester 1300 is a tank and undervalued and underappreciated - awesome shotguns. Thanks for sharing.
I have both pumps in different gauges. Have 2 Winchester 1300 one in the 12 gauge and other in the 20 gauge. Then have 2 Remington 870 one in 12 gauge and the other in the 16 gauge. Don't know why and don't understand this, but I usually shoot better with the Winchester pump much better then the Remington pump. But I do like were the put the safety on the Remington much better and closer to me or the shooter I should say then were the Winchester safety is, near front of trigger guard. I found this very important, specially for pheasant hunting. But lately learning a lot about the Ithaca shotguns. Then after seeing this video, now thinking about getting the Ithaca and the Mossberg and a over & under shotgun then I will have a very nice shotgun collection. For some unknown reason I got many more pheasants with the Winchester pump then I did with the Remington pump or any of the single shot shotguns I have.
Great post! I hope you get all the ones you mention. Most people seem to shoot the O/Us best - but you may have an undefinable "fit" with the 1300s - I have the same sort of thing with certain guns and certain stocks. These are the intangibles that make guns and hunting special. Thanks for writing!
Thank you for comparing these iconic Remington and Winchester shotguns. I own a Winchester 1200 with a 2-3/4, 29" barrel and 20" barrel. It always runs flawlessly.
Hi Rich - you're most welcome - such legendary designs - both of them. Your 2 barrel set covers just about everything - as you know : fantastic! Thanks for the note.
JC Higgins model 20 is absolutely the smoothest , slickest pump shotgun I have ever handled.
Hi Guapo - It really is amazing - and not that many people know.
Both are exceptional firearms and worthy of being in every household. Reliable beyond belief, accurate and versatile.
You sir do not talk too much. It is as though I am speaking to a very knowledgeable close friend who is excited about the subject and eager to share. This is as it should be for these are wonderful shotguns available to anyone at very reasonable cost. Fine work sir.
Your words are so reassuring. Thank you!
There is definitely something about the sound of a pump action being racked that says someone is about to have fun! I have a Turkish pump that cost less than £200 and is spot on for clays and pigeons. At that price it's been remarkably reliable. However, my favourite shotgun is my Greener GP; I can actually hit pairs sometimes if I'm lucky and don't fumble the reload! Thanks for a really great video about my favourite type of shotguns.
That's remarkable Grendel - a GP : bank vault solid shotgun - and you have a gift: hitting pairs!
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you!!
Love my Winchester 1300 manufactured 1989 at New Haven, CT.
I have both, my favorites
are a 1300 turkey gun with a few birds, and a 1968 870 slug gun, and a few deer, but i have others as well. excellent group thank you
Awesome.
I can tell ya i purchase a winchester model 120 youth for my son 2 years ago. It was so nice that i got myself a USA made1300 XTR. I fell in love. Nicer furniture, Winchokes, lighter, faster acquisition, I think the rotating bolt is superior. Nicer barrel, nicer bump pad, nicer bead, and so much more. The whole gun feel higher quality. So my beautiful 870 was gone a week later. Never even looked back once. And I've gotten lots of people to buy them.
Even today the SXP is still the best bang for your buck. And the best part, 4 to 6 hunderd bucks depending on condition or model.
You're right - they're fantastic. That rotating bolt head is key; just as you note. Thanks for the post.
Wow, big fan. Thanks for the reply. Keep us the great service.
I love guns, especially iconic american workhorses. Whenever I get curious about a rifle or shotgun, i always find great information on your channel Sir.
Have both love both. Both Great shotguns. if i had to pick one it would be the 870 but thats just me.. Great vid.. Thanks . Keep em coming.. Have the Mossberg too. also Great shotgun.
I used to have both of them but I sold the 870 awhile ago and the only problem I've had with the 1300 is shooting 3" Magnum slugs the bolt would slam back so fast it wouldn't load another shell I'd have to close the bolt and pump it again to load the next shell but after buying a 22" fully rifled barrel for it the 2 3/4" sabot slugs don't cause any ejection problems
I love a pump action. As a Brit I have a fine Browning B525 over and under for game shooting but I much prefer my cheap Winchester SXP pump action. It is nowhere near the quality of your pumps but the fit is fantastic for me and the high capacity comes in really handy in the hide.
Hello srspower - I think the SXP is the same action as mine - maybe some styling changes. Anyway - they are slick, strong and sound good. Mine have no issues - although other writers tell me otherwise - I can only relate my fine experience with these; undoubtedly others have other experiences.
i have a browning 525 and a winchester 120 ranger pump and i live in england too .we should meet up
I have friends who collect Winchester model twelves. I’d love to get one in twenty gauge.
20 is nice - and 16 is as well.
Have both the 870 and 1300. They are both tough as nails and will function in the worst environments but the 1300 is much slicker.
I still prefer the 870. Both good shotguns!!
First time to see the 1300 and rotating bolt..!
Cool isn't it Alex.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Indeed it is...!
Not sure how true, but had heard, from a local gunshop owner, current 870s use mossberg made barrels. I heard under Rems request to save money they were not polishing the chambers leaving them more rough. This was making them have issues with ejected spent shells.
That's interesting! The slug 870 barrel in the video is made by Mossberg - says it right on the barrel.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I knew they made accessory barrels for REM 870s, but didnt know they were actually making them for their normal production. Guess there is truth to it. Ive never had issues with Mossberg 500/835s.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns As for the question of what caliber in a lightweight rifle is ideal for being able to knock down big game, and have controllable recoil we spoke about in another video, this is what Savage rep said to me. " The lightweights absolutely recoil heavier than a standard rifle. I personally would be looking at the 6.5 Creedmoor as ideal for the package. The 6.5mm bullets have both better ballistics than anything in .30 caliber, and higher sectional density, allowing for deeper penetration. (The world's most famous elephant hunter used 6.5mm and 7mm calibers!) The 6.5 also recoils much less than even .308. It depends on what you are hunting, and what you are comfortable with, but there isn't much that the 6.5 Creedmoor won't drop easily."
Excellent assessment. Along with the Creedmoor would be the 6.5x55 Swedish, the 6.5X57 Mauser, 6.5X54 MS. Anyway - you are right - the Creedmoor is the rage and comes in all the modern rifles. New cartridges are good for the gun industry and so they are good for all gunners - even if they are quite similar cartridges from the past. : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I was just curious what Savage had to say about it, and asked. I know Keith Warren( Hunting Show the HIGH ROAD) likes the 270 lightwieght rifle. Randy Newberg likes the 308 and 7mm-08 in the HOWA lightweight.
I have taken a lot, I don’t want to tell on myself, of dove, quail, rabbits and water foul with both. Actually my 870 has held up better than my 1300. If you don’t hold the forearm of my 1300, the bolt will come back half way. But it has provided many many great meals. The best answer to what is best, preferences aside, is what ever I have in my hands to use. I relied on the 870 as a Deputy Sheriff and it never let me down. I relied on my 1300 to provide food and it also never let me down. I like them both very much. Using other shotguns in my collection over the years, I have really never been let down by any shotgun. Very utilitarian.
Very balanced comment. Both are gold.
I own a Savage 320. It has a rotating bolt just like the Winchester 1300.
You bet Trevor - fine rifle
Here is sweden guns are quite hard to come by you get them mainly by hunting license or club sporting. my first gun is a 870 Express, still have it shoots great on the trap club, can for the love of god hit any bird i have pointed at it tho
I had shotguns like that - I'd raise the comb an inch with foam and tape - and see what happens. In my case - after the foam and tape - everything fell down.
1300 has a rotating front locking steel bolt that locks into the steel barrel extension. Early '80's model ran faultlessly with factory ammo.
They're just about perfect Red - but you know that
Liked the 870 when I had it, but felt it was a bit heavier than the 1300 and mine was a fixed choke. So changed to the 1300 about 35 years back. Does everything I need between game shooting and clays.
I'd love to see a post mortem/disassembly of the poor old Noble that blew up.
I do really like the Winchester design.
I have 2 Rem 870s one is the Super Magnum the other is the Marine Magnum. They are both very reliable fine working guns. My dad Has a Win 120, I have never seen another one like it. The gun is beautiful even looking on Google images I can not find a 120 that looks like his. Did they make a deluxe series? Both the 120 and 870 will serve the common man for the rest of their live even when bought used.
There were some with impressed checkering and lucky walnut that looked fabulous and an XTR model years ago - could be one of those; or maybe a custom stock. You're right - both the 870 and the Win. last indefinitely.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I checked google images for the lucky walnut and the xrt. it is neither of those. His has a decoratively engraved receiver, very high polished smooth bluing, and the stock has a very thick lacquer or poly coat like a bar top. I would like to buy a duplicate of it just because he is afraid of damaging his while hunting. His has sentimental value to him.
Thank you for comparing the Remington 870 and the Winchester 1300 Mike. My pump shotgun is somewhere between the Winchester Model 12 and the 1300. It's a Model 1200 but looks and functions almost identically to the 1300. It has served me well. I have two barrels a 28" and 20". The 20" is handy in close spaces.
Most welcome Rich! Your 1200 is one of those hidden gems.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks Mike. I got it in a trade and have come to enjoy it.
i prefer the winchester. i've owned two of them and never had any problems with 3"Magnums.
My brother used to own a Winchester 1300 back in the late 90's and early 2000's except it was just the standard field gun with pistol grip instead of the straight grip. The 1300 does have a shorter stroke than a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500.
I didn't know that Waterwave - funny that I missed the stroke length all those years. Thanks for a significant point and difference.
The 870 may be a 10 out of 10 but the 1300 is an 11 out of 10!👍
Love that! : )
That straight stock on that shotgun looks really good looking. If i can pick a stock shape that would be it. Really cool winchester shotgun.
Hi Dalan - You're right - shoots extremely well and looks great.
I militarized my W1300. Was wanting an R870 because of Magpul support but not sure I wanna part with my W13 just yet.
Even before Freedom Group I still preferred Winchester's offerings on the shotgun side of things to Remington
Something about Winchesters ...I know what you mean.
Own several of both and I prefer the 870 , although nothing wrong with the Winchester. I have a 1951( first year production) 870 that I absolutely love.
I love the 870, but after holding and looking at a Winchester 1300 XTP and cycling it and pulling the trigger, I like the 1300 more, it's a nicer looking gun and it feels smoother too.
I love both these. My first shotgun was an early 70s Winchester 1200. Bought an 870 a couple years ago and I love them both. Hard to say which I like better.
I know what you mean Nicholas - I guess that 870 steel receiver is a bug plus for a lot of people.
I love this channel. I subscribe to others that take 45 minutes to say what this host condenses into 10 minutes.
I'm glad you're here ChristRich. Your words help me a lot. Thank you!
I have both. Love them equally.
Always the best way to go.
I grew up with a 1300 in the Appalachian mountains from the time i was 7 until now i would hate to know how many rounds have been through it mine was the 1300 ranger
I have owned both the 870 and the 1300 love them but a Browning bps is the best pump action there is hands down
I think I basically had that shotgun but it was a Sears Model 200 and in 16 gauge. I was told it was a Winchester but marketed and sold by Sears
In 1980 I bought a Winchester model 120 Deer barrel.
My buddy bought an 870 Wingmaster.
The 120 was more accurate than a 1300? And lighter.
I bought another 120 vent rib gun,...bought a 1300 deer barrel it didn't shoot to my standards.
My friend wanted it and I kept the vent ribbed barrel for my other 120.
My buddy still has his Wingmaster and its still very smooth.
We sometimes go Squirrel hunting with them,......we bought them after High School.
About 1986 my brother bought a 1300 it was not right the chamber blew open every shot, K-Mart took it back.
My Opinion is Winchester made good gun's till 1980,... after that buyer beware?
If I bought a Winchester I'd run the serial number and confirm that it was made in 1980 or before.
If I bought a newer one I would have to shoot the gun first***
If I bought a Remington I'd buy it for a bargain price.
I'm a cheapskate.
I used to love Winchesters but now they and the Ammunition company lack QUALITY control.
I love shotguns just like the Pilgrims did.
Both easily available and common on the used market everyone can own one very cheap, I myself own an 870, but I prefer to spend my big bucks on my Winchester model 70s
Would love to see some stuff chambered in 22 hornet. Thanks
I only have the Walther .22 Hornet bolt - I think I made a video. Wish I had more.
O.K. thanks. I’ll look for that review. Great work with your channel. Very informative and well spoken!
My Remington Wingmaster magnum was made in 2004. Looks brand new. Are there differences between 2004 model and 1960s and 70s model? Older models are hard to find. Also have the 1300, very smooth action. It would be hard to pick one if I had to choose one. I enjoy watching your videos!
Love my winchester 1300 scout. Will be looking for a rifled barrel soon
Perfect combination Kodey - the rifled barrel and the 1300. I've shot a few 1300s with sights and accuracy was excellent. Recoil was memorable but not too bad.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns yeah i top out at about 12 slugs. After that i start flinching too much to be accurate. Just ordered a recoil pad though, so hopefully that buys me a few more shots
The whinchester 1300 has a reciprocating bolt design is what it is. It is the same as the AR-15, and that is because when fired it uses the recoil to help push the pump back and aid in speed.
That's a pretty good explanation.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Lol thank ya. I just picked one up as my first actually "MY shotgun." for me. haha. Been checking it out and I love this thing so far. It's the Deer Hunter model so it came with a slug barrel that has rifle dovetail sights with windage and elevation adjustment, and the screw holes on the receiver to take a scope. Only sent three through it so far but it ran incredibly fast and smooth, and you can really feel that assistance in the rack back.
Nice comparison. I've shot an 870 and Winchester semi auto. The Wins seem to be more accurate and smoother than the Remingtons. I just put a deposit on a used 1300, with a number of nice extras on it. I wouldn't be unhappy with either one, both have compelling strengths.
Hi Joel - You're right - can't go wrong with the 1300 - that one you're buying sounds like a real deal! Good shooting!
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I did get lucky finding it. I was going to pay it off slowly, but then couldn't resist just paying the balance. Been going over it the last few days. Found the manual on the Winchester site. One thing I would say to prospective buyers is to look for Winchoke written on the barrel. I don't know if some were non-winchoke, since I hadn't researched the 1300 exhaustively. Between the two, I much prefer the 1300. Buyers looking for one to modify for tactical use, would be better with the 870 due to the wealth of addons accesories available for the 870. It's still the work horse of law enforcement, security etc. The older 870's were really nice. I saw one awhile back, name escapes me, I think it's Wingflite, without looking it up. I would tell prospective buyers ,get both. One for sport and one for defense. Shotgun is essential home defense item. Keep lots of extra light loads in case it needs to be used, especially if you live in a wood house :).
The main flaw of the 870 is that Remington allowed itself to be part of Freedom group which ruins everything it touches.
I look for the old ones. They say don't live in the past - but I like it there : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Yep...I'll never buy a Freedom Group owned firearm or equipment ...........
Advanced Armament Corporation
Barnes Bullets
Bushmaster Firearms International
Dakota Arms
DPMS Panther Arms
H&R Firearms
Marlin Firearms
Mountain Khakis
Para USA
Parker Gunmakers
Remington Arms
Remington LE
Remington Military
Remington PMPD
TAPCO
storm lake barrels
Nesika
timber smith
ZeroPoint, why? Just curious. Thanks
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Yep that's me and I buy older revolvers as well just seem to be made better and better quality and craftsmanship back then especially any firearms prior to the early 90's !!!
What’s funny to me is my Winchester 1300 had the ribbed pump and my buddies Remington 870 had the fancy pump your Winchester has and the woods are exactly opposite also(lighter color on my Winchester and darker on friends 870) I at first thought you had them mixed up.
Idk if it was the gun or my abilities but many times duck hunting with that friend. Many times 3 ducks would come into range , we had agreement on which each shot at as I called them in ... I’d shoot two he’d miss his one then I’d take the third when he was just ejecting the first shell... of course this was many decades ago lol
Excellent video!...thanks
Much appreciated Jeffrey - thank you!
I have both and prefer the 1300 !
Good review. And both good shotguns. The winchester seems to fit me better....
Surprising number of people wrote me that they prefer the Winchester. Interesting. Nice to hear from you.
I own both of these and i can honestly say that they’re both beautiful and dependable firearms and very dear to my heart, I strongly advise anyone looking for a shotgun to use for either home defense or for hunting to try and find either one of these. PS If you like the 870, look for the ones made in the 50s-60s, those are the best 👌🏻
Thanks for writing - I agree - 50s-60s - run so smooth and perfect.
USOG you’re very welcome, i love your channel and I’m subscribed, keep up the good work 👌🏻
I have a wingmaster circa 1962, improved cyl 12g
Great vintage and choke. Not easy to find factory improved cylinder.
I have a 870 Wingmaster barrel that was built in 1976 and yet does not have the vented ribbing at the top. The vented ribbed barrels started around 1960. I thought the non ribbed barrels might have been phased out by 1976. Does anyone have any history on the barrel designs? I have been looking online and can't find the barrel history.
That's a good subject and observation. I didn't think of it - but I guess they stopped offering rib-less barrels. Sorry I don't know the dates and details though. If I find out I'll say something. Thanks for the question.
Thanks for the review. I'm looking for a good early Wingmaster to go with my M37, model 12 and 1897. These classic steel receiver guns are fantastic quality considering they were made (mostly) as tools for working people.
You have what many say are the 2 best. Adding an 870 gives you the three best cards of a full house.
Pressures in a shotgun are indeed very low vs rifles but the weight that is being pushed down the barrel 440-600 grains of lead,still create a big recoil vs a low weight rifle round..
Actions of shotgun need to be strong and i own a 1893 winchester and wenn i compare that action to the Mossberg 500/Remington 870 design of a lug that comes out the bolt falling in a barrel extension.....Me personal i think it looks weak,for me the Winchester 1300 is a much stronger action but nothing beats the 1893/1897 design.
And i have a 1887 winchester and that action is stronger too if u ask me then what most modern shotguns used (a lug that pops out of the bolt into a barrel extension)
But on the otherhand wenn things work without breaking there is no need to make them stronger..
Hi Ben - the 1897 could be a rifle - extremely strong action just as you say; the 1300 is a turn bolt - also very strong; but I like your closing statement...if it works... not everyone has clear thinking like that.
I scored a beautiful remington 870 wingmaster. I traded my new russian sks. Oh yeah also a 702 plinkster. I traded off my 1022 for the sks then traded sks for shotgun. I first traded my 303 british no1mk3* for the 1022 ruger with 3 banana mags. My bro traded off a tikka 2506 for a gevarm semiauto 22 and russia sks. Good trades in a day. I traded my backpacker 410 for the 702.
That's a lot of trading! Amazing. I like the outcome - a fine 870.
Got both , they are different .... I like both 😆👍
As far as I know, since 2014 there was no import of 870s into Russia so it is a good investment, because they are getting more and more valuable with time.
Why not? Did Russia but the brakes on the imports or is the US halting exports to Russia?
Winchester 1300 Defender Model holds 7+1 shells. Can't beat that.
Amazing!
Good video. Why do you have the rifle, and shotgun behind you, resting on their muzzles? Your intro music volume, is much louder, than your voice. Are you willing, to make a video on how to find used guns, like the ones featured in your videos?
Hi snoozer - always good to store some muzzle up and others muzzle down. You can fit a lot more in a given area and oil from the action won't always soak down into the grip. An old method that works. Good idea on the finding used guns - will do. Cheers.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you, that's good to know, I'll try that. Cheers.
I've picked up 3 870 wing masters at various gun shows sold by individuals one for $200 in mint condition. Question: are the newer(80s and 90s) wing masters as good as the old ones? What's different?
Hi Russell - The 870 can be a great buy - and $200. is exceptional. The older 870s had a better finish on the receiver and other metal parts; although the anodizing was about the same. Overall the older 870s seemed less "machine made" - even though they probably were. I always prefer the 870s from the 70s. As far as function goes - I see no difference. Hope this helps.
I personally prefer the Winchester....UNTIL you need to take it down for a good cleaning. The 870 is far easier to strip down...
I see a browning doulble automatic on the gun rack. Do you have a video about it? Thanks
Hi - I think so - I cover the green, gray and some others. Good spotting : )