What's the car weigh ? I'm not trying to bust your ballz but that combo might as in maybe on a good day with fingers crossed ,lucky rabbits foot a 4 leaf clover in each hand break 300whp using non modified pi heads .
I love that you did a video on this lol, thanks. Enjoying your YT page so much. It's giving me nostalgia for the early-mid 2000s, when my dad was still here, had his 4.6 GT, and we used to spend hours talking about all those articles from MMFF and 5.0 Mustangs/Super Fords back in the day.
Omg, I didn't even put two and two together that you were the one on Red Headed stepchild. Good Lord that article was a good read but it's hard to find now. It's basically used as the holy grail of NPI performance.
@@richardholdener1727 please do a 5.4 2V, there are intake adaptors! Might be a cheap option for the best power boost on a NPi block with Pi heads Mustangs!!
This guy wrote the proverbial book on increasing 2v modular horsepower. .. he knows about adapter plates , intakes and the low hp potential of the 2v ... but I get it we all still dream of high hp 2v engines .
To be fair, times have changed since many of these tests were done and tech has improved even for these 2v's. For example, he had to make his own intake manifold to support the power he wanted because nothing was available then. The aftermarket support that was available when Richard was building these two valve engines has improved and people know what works better. Another example, I know for a fact that the off-shelf cam specs that comp uses are less than ideal for a 2v. Once you go past the duration needed to make power with the stock pi intake manifold you just lose midrange power for comparable peak gains. None of the comp grinds for pi or npi heads have tight enough lsa for optimized na use, and most of the pi high lift cams dont even fit without fly-cuts or retarding the cam which further softens up the mid-range(more of an issue of the stock pi heads, valves, and lack of ptv clearance with pi heads). What is funny is companies like MHS, and Cushman have consistently pushed that NPI heads can fit cams so much more aggressive than what would even fit a stock pi headed long-block without bending valves. Nick had his recession buster 2v combos, and both them and cms still havd some of the best modular cams available.
Richard, thank you for making this video. I'm new to the 2V world, and trying to work out a great engine set up for my Mustang. I'm having a hard time figuring out which cam I should get for the 2V. There is so much information out there and my eyes go crossed looking at it all. The engine is a 1998 NPI Block, but previous owner did the PI intake and head swap. I haven't been into the engine get into the engine yet to identify what cam is in it now, but I know I wanted to move to something that was going to give me an increase on the top end for road track use. I have read different things on different forums, and frankly, it scares me that I'm going to buy and install the wrong ones. Any suggestions on which cam to put in?
I run the xe262ah and love it. If you're staying with stock intake the drivability is grwat. Throw hrow those cams in and you won't regret it. On mine the power is excellent from 3500 to 6k
I 2nd the xe262ah or MHS stage 2 with there degree service is even slightly better in my opinion but either cam's work fantastic and would not go any larger for a NPI - PI head swapped car because PTV clearance is extremely limited
Thanks for saving me the money. I'll keep my stock cams. Tearing down the front for timing and oil pump and was contemplating new cams. Not worth the 1100 for a few ponys.
I followed the Redheaded Step Child Project for years literally purchasing the exact parts you were installing. It wasn’t until a few years ago I decided to get the Trickflow Track Heat Top End Kit.
It seems like it would benefit more with portred heads, Bored & Stroked Block w/ High Compression, Supercharger, thats when the bigger 278 Cams woll really show what they can make with alot of Timing and alot if Boost and Compression
building a 5.4 npi bottom and adding the pi heads and intake in my truck(should get in the mid to upper 9 comp ratio) i have 2 cams in my possesion npi cam specs .05 224/210 .475/.460 lift 114 lsa or a pi cam .05 206/204 .504/.535 lift 113 lsa which one of these for a truck daily driver application or should i spned the money for a comp 262
Love these videos. Have an 03 stx f150 with a 4.6 2v 2wd. It's got the fiberglass box and hood. Can't way to make some gains with this 2v.Thanks for all the highly detailed info
I have a 2003 roush stage 3 mustang, 4.6L 2 valve with roush supercharger. 380 hp 380 torque. I'd like to replace the cam for some decent lope...not terribly concerned with a big power increase and I don't want to take away from the driveability of the car. Do you think the 279 cam is a good choice?
Test the 4.7 that came in jeep dodge and Mitsubishi....... They are just like the 4.6 Ford..... The initial run of the 4.7 engines started with only 235 horsepower the last 4.7 produced 335 hp manufacturer increased horsepower drastically over the years.
hey richard i have a 1995 ford thunderbird 4.6L 2V v8 i wanna know which cam would be best for intermediate power and sound without having to change springs and other stuff just and cam swap
i have a 4.6 2v pi CAN I USE A NON PI CAMS ON MI PI HEAD? the comp cam recommended a xe274 non pi cams (i am going to update the spring and the Adjustable Timing Set and at the engine i going to change the piston for a 1998 mustang pistons)
Hey so I have a 4.6 2v f150 and I wanting to performance it but I need to know would it be okay if I used a pi cam and not have the pi intake? Or would it best to get the pi intake?
What cam do you suggest I run on my 4.6 2v pi motor. I have stock headers after market exhaust, jmod auto 4r70w and already tuned for a 100 shot of nitrous zex wet kit. Stock manifold with a BBK 78 mm throttle body and jlt cold air intake
So help me out here , can I run the 262 ah cams in pi heads installed in a npi block (more compression .) but what about valve clearance ? And what about in the future boosting either a blower or procharger ?
What's everyone's thoughts on these combos? 262ah cam. Stock PI intake or Edelbrock, or the Trick flow track heat? Larger throttle body and a NOS kit. Headers and a good Torque converter. 3.89 rear gears 4,000lb car
What cam do you recommand for a manual gt 00 with long tube headers, bigger intake manifold, comp cam spring and retainer, high flow fuel pump, 24lbs injector, 3.73 gear, 125 shot of wet kit NX. I want a 50/50 track and hot street application. Thank you!
I've been away from V8 cars for many years I've been building in to imports for at least 25 years. I have a mint condition 96 GT automatic. What would be an ideal suggestion I'm not wanting a drag race car I do a lot of back road running and live in a very hilly area. So I like to get 300 and wheel horsepower out of my car or something close to that but also maintain reliability the car only has about 70,000 mi on it and he suggestions
@@richardholdener1727 I wouldn't LS the car even if it was free. I'm one of those odd people that don't believe in seeing different brands and different cars I used to be into imports really heavily and hated seeing an LS and a RX7 or something
Something different here.. I'm doing ported PI heads ,long tubes, ect.. on a non pi short block.. but building it for more torque. Of course the hp would be welcomed, but need it to pull.. truck is a 97 f150 2wd 4.6 5 speed..what do tou guys recommend?
Two questions... 1 what happens under boost? Better to find an optimal cam then boost, or boost then cam? 2 does boost "tame" cams in the same way that displacement or flow efficiency does?
I was gonna ask you a question I’m running an P1 engine with stage 2 cams whole after market intake 24 pound injectors and tuned to run on 93 MSD coils if that matters any, you think I’m reaching at least 350-400
Love the videos Rich so what will be the bottom line for a non-pi normally aspirated engine and still maintain reasonable drivability which can do you think?
Think you can do a 4v comp cam test? Like this one but for the 4v dohc? I’m looking to get some cams for my turbo build but I can’t decide which ones to get
@@richardholdener1727 okok thanks so much, I have another question I’ve been searching high and low for a answer to. I’m wondering if you could help, I got a 97 mark 8 crank so the cast 6 bolt one in my teksid I’m already changing out the piston and rods etc but should I change the crank? I can’t really find a definitive answer on the limitation of them only a recommendation for keeping the rpm’s right around 6000-7000? Do you know of any experiences and or stories that you might of heard with that crank? Final build power should be at around 650-700 hp with my already used on3 tt kit for the 4v. It has all supporting mods/ timing and all that from mmr it’s just the crank I don’t know if I should change it because before they ran for about 300$ now it’s more like 900$, already so deep in hahaha):
I found some 270’s for sale but have a stock PI intake despite having ported heads. I want to put my single hellion turbo but not sure if these are too much. Figure they’re borderline
Hey Richard. I've got a 4.6 junk yard motor I'm going to build for my 08 CVPI. Question. If you could build your dream 4.6 what would you do? Would love a complete dream build out list from the rotating assembly, boost, cams, intake, My plan so far is to go boosted and have a couple turbos laying around my shop. I want to do a serious rotating assembly and bump compression a bit. I know it sounds silly but I'm after a wild idle. Hoping for 500 to the wheels. Already installed a built trans and 4:30 rear gears. I've heard these motors can spin up pretty high over 7k if you have enough valve spring in them and probably would upgrade the oil pan and oil pump. Would love to get your thoughts. Ultimate 4.6 build. Sleeper crown vic. 😃
get a stroker 5.0L forged internals, 268 cams or higher if you're gonna rev high, Victor Jr intake, bolt ons n TrickFlow 38cc heads for higher compression if you're gonna run on e85 or any higher octane gas, i went with 44cc heads cuz i dont mind low compression to run low octane gas if i feel like it n not have to worry about engine knock.. Longtube heads is a must too, all bolt ons possible as well..
get LONGTUBE HEADERS n bolt ons n your truck will have more power, a small turbo, supercharger, NOS or best of all TrickFlow heads if your engine is 2v n you'l have more power at all rpms which i think is what you're looking for, hope this helps, longtubes n TFS heads for sure, n bolt ons..
Long tube headers are not going to work in california. Have thought about some type of boost in the 5 to 6 lbs range. Since it's stock, the rings probably won't be able to take much more heat due to expansion than that.
loved the video after I build my LS S10 i will be building a 4.6 2v, ive been looking at the trickflow 51802002 cams for my 4.6, what is your take on them?
Richard, I recall you running the XE274H cam with the Kenne Bell 4.6 2v on 9 & 10 psi and liking those results... Armed with this new knowledge, would you have run that with a different cam? Would you recommend a different cam for that application?
Hahahahaha yep that’s all right so my 4.6 mustang GT 2004 dark shadow gray is nice but I did not want to spend to much money on it because I bought the chrome staggered bullit wheels so I bought a 2014 Mustang GT sterling gray and a 6 speed and bought a set of chrome staggered wheels and tires as my 04 is automatic and enjoy the best of both cars
I'd love to see a similar test to this with the 3v as well. It seems like a lot of people severely over cam the 3v and are disappointed with the lousy powerband as a result. Since none of the aftermarket ecu's are set up well to run the VCT, run them locked out with the TFS 2v/4v adjustable crank gears and run them at a 108 or 110 degree ICL, then pick one of the cams and run it at 102 or 104 ICL to get a bit of an idea of what the potential is by using the VCT. A lot to ask but it would be great information for the community.
@@richardholdener1727 I was wondering if the bullitt intake would make any improvement on a 01 f150 4.6? would it even work? Sorry I know it's off topic of your runaway live stream...
I know this video came out a while ago but I’m hoping I can get some help. I have a 99 gt with an on3 front facing turbo kit w 8 lbs of boost making 368hp and 385 torque. I want my car to chop and don’t wanna make much more power. How can I achieve this
@@richardholdener1727 Awesome thank you so much for the reply. What else do you recommend me change while I'm installing the cam? Like timing gear etc.
@@19jody72 the pi heads have a smaller chamber and more available valve lift as well. The intake ports are significantly better on stock pi heads vs stock non pi heads and they have a different intake port shape. The exhaust port is about the same, its really not that different. The difference in port shape means intakes do not easily swap over and the biggest limit on non pi heads is the lack of aftermarket intakes and how poor the stock intake flows. For everyone the PI, which means performance improved, is the better head to use.
Hey Richard - so this test motor was essentially a stock bullet motor right? And those were rated at 265hp/305lbft. This stock combo put down 346hp/362lbft. Does that mean that headers/tune/open tb/acc delete are worth ~80 hp? Or were these severely underrated? I'm looking at these numbers questioning whether I should ditch my old school 5.0 in favor of one of these 4.6. I thought no way would a 4.6 put numbers up like this. Appreciate all the content.
@richardholdener1727 I have an 03 stock 4.6 stang. X pipe, flow master catback c.a.i 3:73 gears. I want to just stay street, no 1/4 mile runs. Want driveability, and a nice sounding lope. Would love 340ish rwhp and torque . What should I look for to make this happen
Richard, THANK YOU for your most awesome videos. I have learned so much from you. You are my 4.6L, 2V awesome Uncle Bro. Please keep them coming. PS, how do I get a Richard Holdener t-shirt?
The bore is the same, stroke is longer, block is taller and intake manifold wider. Bigger cylinders with the same size valves will want a narrower LSA.
Hey man, would anyone have recommendations for my 3v 5.4, or should I put the navigator heads on. If so, what cams should I use then. Ps, I need low end torque
After watching your video on lobe separation, I'd like to know if anyone makes a cam with tighter LSA since these are all relatively wide. For instance, wouldn't it be even better to have the 262AH cam but with an LSA of say 108?
Piston to valve clearance becomes a issue when your LSA gets tighter then 112 on any cams over 225 duration at .50 with stock pistons especially with stock valve's
@@zadokmotorfreight2423 Your tighter LSA is absolutely correct by the way these 4.6 motors love it but just be careful with PTV issues and in order to fit larger duration cam's it becomes difficult to go tight on LSA
@@zadokmotorfreight2423 If you have deep pockets which most of us do not Lol but if you have the money a set of trick flow head's will solve your piston to valve issues with their slightly canted valve design it really provides a lot more PTV clearance however the trick flow head's will require a custom cam grind to truly benefit from there improved head flow even though off the shelf cam's fit and run the timing events are way off because of the valve relocation
@@richardholdener1727 hi, yes, its always best to get it tuned but this is straight from their website.. -> "Xtreme Energy™ 226/230 Hydraulic Roller Finger Follower Cams for Ford 4.6/5.4L Modular 2 Valve w/ PI Heads. Better low & mid range torque with more power. Will work with stock computer, but best with custom tuning. (Note: 1999-Up performance improvement heads)
Anybody on here know what valves I should use and valve keepers I have the beehive .550 max lift with the steel retainers I can’t diñad any valves and valve keepers any help?
@@str8edge_lifer83 Dont think it's the cams , you'll notice on all the cams the power starts to fall off right after 6000rpm. The bigger 280 cam should carry power better up top but it doesn't, it makes more power compared to the shorter ones but it falls off in the same exact curve and manner .
@@dilsher12 yeah. It needs better valve springs. that stock style intake manifold will pull all the way to a solid 6,700 RPM I've seen many dyno runs live in person that do that it's all about valve spring package and cam duration. Converting to a shorter runner intake will also help with how high the RPM band goes, but the factory intake can go pretty high.
@parkerbethke yeah I get that they’ve had problems but all the problems are solved using the updated parts (except the plugs with the small threads 😂😂) That fordtekloco or whatever he’s called goes right through this engine and how to fix it it’s not hard. So putting that aside I’d like to see what the 5.4 3V can do that’s what Richards channel is all about
@parkerbethke why modify anything then just get a better one.. he’s done heaps of tests with the ol 2v there are a lot of 3v engines out there time to see what they can do.. Same as why modify a 2v Cleveland when you can just get a 4v....... because they exist and we want to see what they can do
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Always enjoy getting to see your test on 4.6 2v stuff
Love my 4.6 2V in my 2003 P71! Great motors with a ton of potential!
You're gunna make me cam my 4.6 aren't you?
@Dennis Burger mind sharing your combo ? We bracket race a 99 also but as yet we can barely dial it for Summit Pro ET 13.99.. thanks
I run 255/75/17s and two spares in the trunk
How much hp are you making
What's the car weigh ? I'm not trying to bust your ballz but that combo might as in maybe on a good day with fingers crossed ,lucky rabbits foot a 4 leaf clover in each hand break 300whp using non modified pi heads .
@Dennis Burger I'm over here on 32s with a 3.27 gear in a 4500lb vic ;)
I think the real takeaway here is 2V's have the most to gain from a set of heads, especially if staying NA. Or just throw some boost at it 🙂
arent they capped at 400 whp?
@@Johnnyreengo with those current mods yes you need the stroker and a supercharger/turbo to make over 500-1100
Torque is capped at 400 N/A but a custom cam N/A 4.6 made 515whp on stock bore and stroke.
@ItsPainnz absolutely don't need a stroker to make power. Literally stock crank with coyote rods and budget piston and turbo will make 600+
@@Johnnyreengo450-500 whp not really a set hp since so many variables can make a difference
You're the man Richard! Keep up with the 4.6L 2v stuff! On a side note, are you alright? You don't seem as chipper as usual.
Hes good, busy and on his biz man you know.
Omg! Richard knows the story of the two bulls!!!
I love that you did a video on this lol, thanks. Enjoying your YT page so much. It's giving me nostalgia for the early-mid 2000s, when my dad was still here, had his 4.6 GT, and we used to spend hours talking about all those articles from MMFF and 5.0 Mustangs/Super Fords back in the day.
Omg, I didn't even put two and two together that you were the one on Red Headed stepchild. Good Lord that article was a good read but it's hard to find now. It's basically used as the holy grail of NPI performance.
Would the 5.4 2v be similar? Are the same cams available? Love the content I can't wait for more straight 6 stuff.
all these cams fit the 5.4l
@@richardholdener1727 please do a 5.4 2V, there are intake adaptors! Might be a cheap option for the best power boost on a NPi block with Pi heads Mustangs!!
This guy wrote the proverbial book on increasing 2v modular horsepower. .. he knows about adapter plates , intakes and the low hp potential of the 2v ... but I get it we all still dream of high hp 2v engines .
To be fair, times have changed since many of these tests were done and tech has improved even for these 2v's. For example, he had to make his own intake manifold to support the power he wanted because nothing was available then. The aftermarket support that was available when Richard was building these two valve engines has improved and people know what works better. Another example, I know for a fact that the off-shelf cam specs that comp uses are less than ideal for a 2v. Once you go past the duration needed to make power with the stock pi intake manifold you just lose midrange power for comparable peak gains. None of the comp grinds for pi or npi heads have tight enough lsa for optimized na use, and most of the pi high lift cams dont even fit without fly-cuts or retarding the cam which further softens up the mid-range(more of an issue of the stock pi heads, valves, and lack of ptv clearance with pi heads). What is funny is companies like MHS, and Cushman have consistently pushed that NPI heads can fit cams so much more aggressive than what would even fit a stock pi headed long-block without bending valves. Nick had his recession buster 2v combos, and both them and cms still havd some of the best modular cams available.
Richard, thank you for making this video.
I'm new to the 2V world, and trying to work out a great engine set up for my Mustang.
I'm having a hard time figuring out which cam I should get for the 2V. There is so much information out there and my eyes go crossed looking at it all.
The engine is a 1998 NPI Block, but previous owner did the PI intake and head swap. I haven't been into the engine get into the engine yet to identify what cam is in it now, but I know I wanted to move to something that was going to give me an increase on the top end for road track use.
I have read different things on different forums, and frankly, it scares me that I'm going to buy and install the wrong ones.
Any suggestions on which cam to put in?
I run the xe262ah and love it. If you're staying with stock intake the drivability is grwat. Throw hrow those cams in and you won't regret it. On mine the power is excellent from 3500 to 6k
I 2nd the xe262ah or MHS stage 2 with there degree service is even slightly better in my opinion but either cam's work fantastic and would not go any larger for a NPI - PI head swapped car because PTV clearance is extremely limited
Thanks for saving me the money. I'll keep my stock cams. Tearing down the front for timing and oil pump and was contemplating new cams. Not worth the 1100 for a few ponys.
No matter which cam is chosen, add boost. Lots of boost. Don't forget the long tube headers.
I followed the Redheaded Step Child Project for years literally purchasing the exact parts you were installing. It wasn’t until a few years ago I decided to get the Trickflow Track Heat Top End Kit.
good choice
Love your short engine mod tests... Especially on the Fords
My grandpa told me that same joke when i was younger, but his version was slightly different lmao
It seems like it would benefit more with portred heads, Bored & Stroked Block w/ High Compression, Supercharger, thats when the bigger 278 Cams woll really show what they can make with alot of Timing and alot if Boost and Compression
the king of 4.6 vids
building a 5.4 npi bottom and adding the pi heads and intake in my truck(should get in the mid to upper 9 comp ratio) i have 2 cams in my possesion npi cam specs .05 224/210 .475/.460 lift 114 lsa or a pi cam .05 206/204 .504/.535 lift 113 lsa which one of these for a truck daily driver application or should i spned the money for a comp 262
Love these videos. Have an 03 stx f150 with a 4.6 2v 2wd. It's got the fiberglass box and hood. Can't way to make some gains with this 2v.Thanks for all the highly detailed info
268H here on a PI engine, with boost. It makes great power up top. Has a good lope but I wish I would have gone 270s. Oh well.
I am debating buying some 270’a for my single turbo setup
@@Greenskies321 do it. 270 is a good all around, off the shelf cam.
Fantastic video! So well done and explained. Thumbs up!
@ hey Richard thanx I love your videos but did you have to notch the pistons for the 278 cams??
I have a 2003 roush stage 3 mustang, 4.6L 2 valve with roush supercharger. 380 hp 380 torque. I'd like to replace the cam for some decent lope...not terribly concerned with a big power increase and I don't want to take away from the driveability of the car. Do you think the 279 cam is a good choice?
IT WILL HURT DRIVABILITY A LITTLE
Test the 4.7 that came in jeep dodge and Mitsubishi....... They are just like the 4.6 Ford..... The initial run of the 4.7 engines started with only 235 horsepower the last 4.7 produced 335 hp manufacturer increased horsepower drastically over the years.
what will happen if you run x262ah cams on a non PI motor with PI ported heads ?
you just have slightly higher compression
Hey Richard, I’m running (fbo) in my 2004 gt 3.73, long tubes, 75mm tb....but still want more mid range are cams my next move?
Great info as always. Any 4.6 dohc cam/ intake vids? Thanks.
YES
hey richard i have a 1995 ford thunderbird 4.6L 2V v8 i wanna know which cam would be best for intermediate power and sound without having to change springs and other stuff just and cam swap
check to see if Comp has small 2V NSR cams
i have a 4.6 2v pi
CAN I USE A NON PI CAMS ON MI PI HEAD?
the comp cam recommended a xe274 non pi cams
(i am going to update the spring and the Adjustable Timing Set
and at the engine i going to change the piston for a 1998 mustang pistons)
yes
Ty for the 4.6 2v testing ,theres a lot of these motors in fords and they all need ,more power na
What shortblock setup are you using??? The PI or Non-PI with this setup? Also what heads?
this was non pi short
@@richardholdener1727 ok im with ya now! Thanks!!
Hey so I have a 4.6 2v f150 and I wanting to performance it but I need to know would it be okay if I used a pi cam and not have the pi intake? Or would it best to get the pi intake?
pi intake with pi heads-otherwise it doesn't work
But which one gives that lumpy "it's cammed" sounding idle? If say, the idle sound is all your looking for?
they all have enough chop
Buying a cam for sound alone is a pretty expensive endeavor. Throw some magnaflow mufflers or a mid pipe on it if sound is what you're after.
What cam do you suggest I run on my 4.6 2v pi motor. I have stock headers after market exhaust, jmod auto 4r70w and already tuned for a 100 shot of nitrous zex wet kit. Stock manifold with a BBK 78 mm throttle body and jlt cold air intake
262 pi cam if it is 99-up
What’s a good cam for overall performance
6.4 Hemi stock motor
5.7 Hemi ProCharged Longtubes stock motor
6.5 lbs of boost
I plan on porting my PI heads, which cam should i use?
Dumb question, what is the PI version?
What years are they and how are they different?
Thanks for the great content.
pi is power improved and is 1999-up on a Mustang
@@richardholdener1727 so my 03 5.4 2v super duty isn't a pi version and it's only a Mustang thing ?and or only on a 4.6 ?
Thanks for the reply BTW
So help me out here , can I run the 262 ah cams in pi heads installed in a npi block (more compression .) but what about valve clearance ? And what about in the future boosting either a blower or procharger ?
check p-v and yes on boost
What's everyone's thoughts on these combos? 262ah cam. Stock PI intake or Edelbrock, or the Trick flow track heat? Larger throttle body and a NOS kit. Headers and a good Torque converter. 3.89 rear gears 4,000lb car
it will work
What cam do you recommand for a manual gt 00 with long tube headers, bigger intake manifold, comp cam spring and retainer, high flow fuel pump, 24lbs injector, 3.73 gear, 125 shot of wet kit NX. I want a 50/50 track and hot street application. Thank you!
262 or 268
Are these camshafts ran with the stock pistons, or does the motor have aftermarket pistons with bigger valve reliefs
this had valve reliefs-but you can run most of these with stock pistons
Which cams from this video do you recommend running with stock pistons? Also thank you for the feedback.
I've been away from V8 cars for many years I've been building in to imports for at least 25 years. I have a mint condition 96 GT automatic. What would be an ideal suggestion I'm not wanting a drag race car I do a lot of back road running and live in a very hilly area. So I like to get 300 and wheel horsepower out of my car or something close to that but also maintain reliability the car only has about 70,000 mi on it and he suggestions
swap in PI GT motor, or LS or add low boost
@@richardholdener1727 I wouldn't LS the car even if it was free. I'm one of those odd people that don't believe in seeing different brands and different cars I used to be into imports really heavily and hated seeing an LS and a RX7 or something
Something different here.. I'm doing ported PI heads ,long tubes, ect.. on a non pi short block.. but building it for more torque. Of course the hp would be welcomed, but need it to pull.. truck is a 97 f150 2wd 4.6 5 speed..what do tou guys recommend?
KEEP STOCK pi CAMS
@@richardholdener1727 thanks man 👊
Two questions... 1 what happens under boost? Better to find an optimal cam then boost, or boost then cam?
2 does boost "tame" cams in the same way that displacement or flow efficiency does?
whatever the cam does na (the entire power curve) it does under boost-boost just adds to what is there
@@richardholdener1727 thnx Richard.... sure takes a lot of drilling to get a simple concept into people's heads eh?
Which cam would be good on a 2.1 Kenne Bell 2v 5 speed car with 4.10 gears 262 or 270…I’m ask for a Friend 😂
look for your answer in what they do NA-pick the one that makes power where you want it-then add boost
Go up to 5L? How does the M-6010-BOSS50 work for that with the XE262AH cams? Thinking of using Trick Flow 185 Twisted Wedge heads.
no idea on that motor
I was gonna ask you a question I’m running an P1 engine with stage 2 cams whole after market intake 24 pound injectors and tuned to run on 93 MSD coils if that matters any, you think I’m reaching at least 350-400
WHAT INTAKE? AND ARE THE HEADS PORTED?
I have the xe270ah comps on my gt...i love them.
Love the videos Rich so what will be the bottom line for a non-pi normally aspirated engine and still maintain reasonable drivability which can do you think?
small cams
@@richardholdener1727 any particular lift you prefer for this application...
Looking for a smooth idle of course you know with a bigger cam that's generally not possible maybe you got a special number for Lift in mind
What's a good budget set of Cams for my 4.6L 3V. Might Cam my Explorer Sport Trac.
not sure on budget set
@Richard Holdener Ok. my price range can go up a little.
Think you can do a 4v comp cam test? Like this one but for the 4v dohc? I’m looking to get some cams for my turbo build but I can’t decide which ones to get
I LIKE THE XE262AH CAMS FOR THE 4V
@@richardholdener1727 okok thanks so much, I have another question I’ve been searching high and low for a answer to. I’m wondering if you could help, I got a 97 mark 8 crank so the cast 6 bolt one in my teksid I’m already changing out the piston and rods etc but should I change the crank? I can’t really find a definitive answer on the limitation of them only a recommendation for keeping the rpm’s right around 6000-7000? Do you know of any experiences and or stories that you might of heard with that crank? Final build power should be at around 650-700 hp with my already used on3 tt kit for the 4v. It has all supporting mods/ timing and all that from mmr it’s just the crank I don’t know if I should change it because before they ran for about 300$ now it’s more like 900$, already so deep in hahaha):
I found some 270’s for sale but have a stock PI intake despite having ported heads. I want to put my single hellion turbo but not sure if these are too much. Figure they’re borderline
Trick question... Richard is both guys!
Hey Richard. I've got a 4.6 junk yard motor I'm going to build for my 08 CVPI. Question.
If you could build your dream 4.6 what would you do? Would love a complete dream build out list from the rotating assembly, boost, cams, intake,
My plan so far is to go boosted and have a couple turbos laying around my shop. I want to do a serious rotating assembly and bump compression a bit. I know it sounds silly but I'm after a wild idle. Hoping for 500 to the wheels. Already installed a built trans and 4:30 rear gears. I've heard these motors can spin up pretty high over 7k if you have enough valve spring in them and probably would upgrade the oil pan and oil pump.
Would love to get your thoughts. Ultimate 4.6 build. Sleeper crown vic. 😃
get a stroker 5.0L forged internals, 268 cams or higher if you're gonna rev high, Victor Jr intake, bolt ons n TrickFlow 38cc heads for higher compression if you're gonna run on e85 or any higher octane gas, i went with 44cc heads cuz i dont mind low compression to run low octane gas if i feel like it n not have to worry about engine knock.. Longtube heads is a must too, all bolt ons possible as well..
it would have a fabricated intake-just for looks
Damn
@@richardholdener1727i have f150 4.6 2000 4x4. What cam do you suggest for stock motor for a little better performance
Did you have piston to valve issues with the 270ah?
Would cams help my 04 f150 get some low end grunt. Mostly use it for towing my travel trailer. Can't afford to replace the truck.
Not really, only real way to increase torque down low is to add cubes or a positive displacement supercharger, roots or twin screw
get LONGTUBE HEADERS n bolt ons n your truck will have more power, a small turbo, supercharger, NOS or best of all TrickFlow heads if your engine is 2v n you'l have more power at all rpms which i think is what you're looking for, hope this helps, longtubes n TFS heads for sure, n bolt ons..
Long tube headers are not going to work in california. Have thought about some type of boost in the 5 to 6 lbs range. Since it's stock, the rings probably won't be able to take much more heat due to expansion than that.
What would you suggest for a pickup truck set up??
stock or small
loved the video after I build my LS S10 i will be building a 4.6 2v, ive been looking at the trickflow 51802002 cams for my 4.6, what is your take on them?
have not run those
Your gonna spend a lot of money on that 4.6 but you'll get some power out of it. Honestly the 5.4 2v will be much stronger and gain a lot more power
I'm not a mod motor guy.. but I do have a 4.6 truck with a 5 speed.. might do some cams
Yup saw the video...... and said I guess it's time to put some cams in my 03 FX4
@@chrislore2681 yeah man..mine is a 2wd though.
226/230 for me
@@Adrianzx your cams?
@@19jody72 if my stock cams are too rubbish. I do drive my vic at lower rpms quite often
What is the exact cam / lob / lift for the 4.6 2v I didn’t quite understand lol sorry
.500 FOR NON PI, 550 FOR PI
Richard, I recall you running the XE274H cam with the Kenne Bell 4.6 2v on 9 & 10 psi and liking those results... Armed with this new knowledge, would you have run that with a different cam? Would you recommend a different cam for that application?
WE LIKE THE POWER-NOT THE DRIVABILITY
Would this translate to the 5.4? Aren't the heads pretty much the same or am I mistaken?
SAME HEADS
Hahahahaha yep that’s all right so my 4.6 mustang GT 2004 dark shadow gray is nice but I did not want to spend to much money on it because I bought the chrome staggered bullit wheels so I bought a 2014 Mustang GT sterling gray and a 6 speed and bought a set of chrome staggered wheels and tires as my 04 is automatic and enjoy the best of both cars
I’m curious about 3V performance after seeing strong stock numbers here
I'd love to see a similar test to this with the 3v as well. It seems like a lot of people severely over cam the 3v and are disappointed with the lousy powerband as a result. Since none of the aftermarket ecu's are set up well to run the VCT, run them locked out with the TFS 2v/4v adjustable crank gears and run them at a 108 or 110 degree ICL, then pick one of the cams and run it at 102 or 104 ICL to get a bit of an idea of what the potential is by using the VCT.
A lot to ask but it would be great information for the community.
Please do a 5.4 2V!!
Based on the power numbers in this video, what would be the estimated RWHP if you had to guess?
Nobody ever believes my vic is fast made so many straight piped hemi boys cry
Richard, what heads were used for the test, PI or NPI? Thanks
Great info love it thanks Richard!👌💯😎
Thanks for doing the videos, much appreciated
Hope everything is ok Richard,, everyone still chatting in your live stream ,
I SAW THAT-I DON'T EVEN NEED TO BE THERE
@@richardholdener1727 I was wondering if the bullitt intake would make any improvement on a 01 f150 4.6? would it even work? Sorry I know it's off topic of your runaway live stream...
Hi there what would you recommend for a 2002 mustang roush stage 3 also called a 360R supercharged !!!!! If any thanks !!!!!!!!!
cams?
Did you run stock pistons and did you have any piston to valve issues
GOOD QUESTION
I love my 270 ah cams with 3.73 gears
How did you get over 300 hp and tq at stock? I've never seen any 4.6 2v put out those numbers stock
headers, cold, optimized tune, not air intake, elect water pump etc...
On a small budget what do you think are good upgrades for a 2v I have non pi btw
TUNE OR HEADERS
@@richardholdener1727 tune and headers... What would his average game be ballpark?
Hey I have a 5.4 2v and I want to add cams what do you recommend. I have the pi heads and intake. Thanks in advance
Also I have shortly headers
262 comp
Thank you. Will it give me a nice chop and power upgrade
Old cows, new cows, yeah you can use that parable here. LOL
Old bull young bull?
Hi, i have kenne bell 2.1 whit pi head port and cams xe278h, whats do u think?
Xe278h is good for my setup?
its big
I know this video came out a while ago but I’m hoping I can get some help. I have a 99 gt with an on3 front facing turbo kit w 8 lbs of boost making 368hp and 385 torque. I want my car to chop and don’t wanna make much more power. How can I achieve this
small comp 262 cams
@@richardholdener1727 Awesome thank you so much for the reply. What else do you recommend me change while I'm installing the cam? Like timing gear etc.
CHAINS AND PLASTIC GUIDES IF DAMAGED
@@richardholdener1727 awesome thank uou
Hey! Anyway you could run a test with a coyote bottom end in a 2v motor with 2v heads ??
NO THNX
Can u do a amr500 supercharger no one has done a video on it yet ... and also gt500 blower on a 5.3 or a 4.8
2004 Mercury Mountaineer with 4.6L AWD.
Is it a PI or non PI engine?
PI. Starting in 01, everything was PI. Up to 98, everything was NPI, and for 99/00, only the Mustang got the PI motor.
@@michaellehmann2803 care to explain what's the different between pi and npi?
@@michaellehmann2803 the truck engine were pi too
@@19jody72 The heads are much better, it bumped the power up by about 35 from the "best" non-pi motor, which made 225.
@@19jody72 the pi heads have a smaller chamber and more available valve lift as well. The intake ports are significantly better on stock pi heads vs stock non pi heads and they have a different intake port shape. The exhaust port is about the same, its really not that different.
The difference in port shape means intakes do not easily swap over and the biggest limit on non pi heads is the lack of aftermarket intakes and how poor the stock intake flows. For everyone the PI, which means performance improved, is the better head to use.
Hey Richard - so this test motor was essentially a stock bullet motor right? And those were rated at 265hp/305lbft. This stock combo put down 346hp/362lbft. Does that mean that headers/tune/open tb/acc delete are worth ~80 hp? Or were these severely underrated? I'm looking at these numbers questioning whether I should ditch my old school 5.0 in favor of one of these 4.6. I thought no way would a 4.6 put numbers up like this. Appreciate all the content.
No 260-265 was accurate rating. Dyno majic and tuning with a f.a.s.t. setup and everything u mentioned somehow made those numbers ..
The factory tuning is so conservative there’s probably 80hp to be had with intake header no accessories and a modern ecu
The 278P cam put down 395hp 380tq 😲
Yes the 4.6 2v or 4v is an improvement over the old 5.0
I have an 02 mustang gt would like to talk to you about what I would need to build it up a little like to have Whipple super charger with it
AS AWAY-JOIN THE LIVE FEED
@richardholdener1727 I have an 03 stock 4.6 stang. X pipe, flow master catback c.a.i 3:73 gears. I want to just stay street, no 1/4 mile runs. Want driveability, and a nice sounding lope. Would love 340ish rwhp and torque . What should I look for to make this happen
Richard, THANK YOU for your most awesome videos. I have learned so much from you. You are my 4.6L, 2V awesome Uncle Bro. Please keep them coming. PS, how do I get a
Richard Holdener t-shirt?
working on merch
Would like to see 5.4 2v tests but I guess it's basically a stroked 4.6 2v .
The bore is the same, stroke is longer, block is taller and intake manifold wider. Bigger cylinders with the same size valves will want a narrower LSA.
Hey man, would anyone have recommendations for my 3v 5.4, or should I put the navigator heads on. If so, what cams should I use then.
Ps, I need low end torque
HEADERS
After watching your video on lobe separation, I'd like to know if anyone makes a cam with tighter LSA since these are all relatively wide. For instance, wouldn't it be even better to have the 262AH cam but with an LSA of say 108?
it would help-though idle quality would eventually suffer
Piston to valve clearance becomes a issue when your LSA gets tighter then 112 on any cams over 225 duration at .50 with stock pistons especially with stock valve's
@@miker1681 hey, thanks for the explanation!!
@@zadokmotorfreight2423 Your tighter LSA is absolutely correct by the way these 4.6 motors love it but just be careful with PTV issues and in order to fit larger duration cam's it becomes difficult to go tight on LSA
@@zadokmotorfreight2423 If you have deep pockets which most of us do not Lol but if you have the money a set of trick flow head's will solve your piston to valve issues with their slightly canted valve design it really provides a lot more PTV clearance however the trick flow head's will require a custom cam grind to truly benefit from there improved head flow even though off the shelf cam's fit and run the timing events are way off because of the valve relocation
How will the PI 262 cam do with stock valve springs? That could be a big determining factor for some people
it'll work good, 262 n 268 work with stock computer n no tune needed.. 270 n up will need alot more work to get working right..
you need to tune any of these cams
@@richardholdener1727 hi, yes, its always best to get it tuned but this is straight from their website.. -> "Xtreme Energy™ 226/230 Hydraulic Roller Finger Follower Cams for Ford 4.6/5.4L Modular 2 Valve w/ PI Heads. Better low & mid range torque with more power. Will work with stock computer, but best with custom tuning. (Note: 1999-Up performance improvement heads)
@@richardholdener1727 Who tunes for these cams ?
Anybody on here know what valves I should use and valve keepers I have the beehive .550 max lift with the steel retainers I can’t diñad any valves and valve keepers any help?
How about a 5.4L 2v !!!!!
Same stuff. All these cams will work in a 5.4
Where did u get the headers?
Wonder if a little shorter intake runner would carry power better past 6000 rpm .
It will. But even a stock intake will, you need bigger cams and a btter valve spring.
@@str8edge_lifer83 Dont think it's the cams , you'll notice on all the cams the power starts to fall off right after 6000rpm. The bigger 280 cam should carry power better up top but it doesn't, it makes more power compared to the shorter ones but it falls off in the same exact curve and manner .
@@dilsher12 yeah. It needs better valve springs. that stock style intake manifold will pull all the way to a solid 6,700 RPM I've seen many dyno runs live in person that do that it's all about valve spring package and cam duration. Converting to a shorter runner intake will also help with how high the RPM band goes, but the factory intake can go pretty high.
would i be able to daily drive my crown victoria on a stage 2 cam?
the stage is not great-its soft down low
So if your na what's the best cams
CHOOSE THE CURVE YOU WANT-ALL OF THESE WERE NA
Can you run a high lift pi cam in a non pi motor?
I think we have with the right springs
Does "PI" have some meaning or is it just Ford code talk?
@@muhamadnaimuddinbinnasrudd1935
Thanks, still not a believer in Ford "Power"
Power Improved
@@richardholdener1727 what years did the PI heads come in? Have an 04 f150
@Chris K
Thanks Chris, hadn't thought about that, but Honda would be an upgrade. Nice of you to think about foreign being better than FORD.
Need some cammed 5.4 3v with working VVT enough of this 4.6 2v stuff!!!!!!
It's enough trying to keep 3V phasers from dying.
@parkerbethke yeah I get that they’ve had problems but all the problems are solved using the updated parts (except the plugs with the small threads 😂😂)
That fordtekloco or whatever he’s called goes right through this engine and how to fix it it’s not hard.
So putting that aside I’d like to see what the 5.4 3V can do that’s what Richards channel is all about
@parkerbethke spark plugs was a 5.4 2v and 2v V10 issue I wanna say.
Nvm, I thought you were talking about spitting plugs, snapping them in half is definitely the 3v. My bad.
@parkerbethke why modify anything then just get a better one.. he’s done heaps of tests with the ol 2v there are a lot of 3v engines out there time to see what they can do..
Same as why modify a 2v Cleveland when you can just get a 4v....... because they exist and we want to see what they can do
What about porter heads and a 262 cam what u think
yes
@@richardholdener1727 I'm try that on my 07 vic
Can you do this with the 5.4 2v?
All the cams work for both
@@emoore254x yes but with more displacement it would change how the engine with react to the different cam sizes