Yeah, Matt is not so interested in reviews more interested in pushing his toilet stuff and his sponsor. He has the same old stick it's like watching 30-year-old reruns.
This is a really well designed RV. I'm about Wil's size and really appreciate the 80" bed. I'm also pleased to see a pantry in a B plus, but I'm not so pleased to see the microwave mounted so close to the floor. There's no way I'd ever be able to use it.
Wow! Awesome motor home! We really hope they have it at the Tampa Show as well. The only dislike we had, is that there is no separation door between the kitchen and the king size bed. Just to keep it more private from the rest. Otherwise, we just loved it!
Absolutely HATE the propane generator. The generator should from the easily available and less expensive fuel tank. I don’t want to be concerned about finding propane if I am in a remote area.
My new favorite B+ but wish the outside corner where house meets cab was rounded instead of flat also it's only a matter of time before someone leaves the small forward-facing window in the slide-out pushed out open when closing the slide. Great review guys!
Needs a couple small tables in front of the theater seats to eat at. Or did I miss something? Other than that, it is a very nice rv. Love the floor plan.
Love this coach! Would like a window instead of a headboard with a queen bed, and a portable induction cooktop. So happy to hear you are donating to the Human Society, may your donation be blessed 10 fold and may you receive that beautiful energy back 10 fold.
Finding out someday pulled right up to my front door here in Alaska in the lineage that was in New York City. Love it. I could definitely travel in this
These Sprinter based motorhomes continue to evolve. Love the theater seats and TV placement. There is not a lot of exterior storage, I'm sure it is due to a very limited cargo carrying capacity. I'd like to see an option eliminating the overhead bunk, replaced with cabinets. The recent gear garages being introduced are a huge upgrade. Lot of ebikes out there nowadays needing shelter.
For a 24 foot RV this Lineage hits a home run. The roof line storgae cabinets seem a little narrow; maybe an extra inch or so could be added to the height of the cabinets. That is my only comment.
Likes: light interior, available different exteriors, king size bed, large rear closet, Euro windows (assume they are double pane?) Dislikes: 1) Drawer and cabinet latches…even before Will identified them, I was watching him try to grip the small handles. Give me normal hardware, please. 2) Is it my imagination or is the fridge partly in the bedroom? Questions: 1) (I have asked Nate & Marissa this as well)…If you ever want to change the mattress, i.e., to a Brooklyn Bedding one, can you? How does that work with the fold up bed? 2) When the front seats swivel, do they elevate to be at the correct interior level, or are you sitting on cushions, ala the Winnebago View? 3) Realistically, how much can you tow? Without compromising the integrity of the structure over time? 4) Can the unit be ordered without the exterior tv and sound system? 5) What are the power options vis a vis solar, lithium, inverter size? 6) tanks enclosed/heated? And yes…the really big question…the one that keeps us in our Dutch Star…what is the OCCC? I know what GD wanted it to be at the NYC reveal, but what has it ended up as?
Very surprised they put a 3500lb hitch on this rather than maintaining the 5000lb hitch, but can understand it. But, it wipes out math games, as towing capacity is always the weakest link/component in the towing drive system, not the strongest. On Sprinters, the weakest component is GCWR minus GVWR = tow capacity, and the GVWR, by it's formulae, assumes you are using 100% of the OCCC - easy to do in a 3500. I looked on the Mercedes site at the stats on both the 170WB 3500HD and 4500 as delivered from the factory to be built. GCWR-CVWR on the 3500 has a 4220lb tow capacity which the 5000lb hitch will support. However, calculating for the for the 4500 only has a tow capacity of 3125 lbs. which the 3500lb hitch can support. OUCH! The problem is that both the 3500 and 4500 have the same GCWR of 15250, so apparently despite the beefed up suspension, that is what the engine/transmission drivetrain can handle. Mercedes specs also noted the 4500 having a higher axel rating to support the heavier load, but must have less travel as curb to curb turning radius was significantly wider in the 4500. A competing manufacturer (not named as a courtesy) lists 2200lb OCCC on a 4500 chassis. Now the math game - Do you need the full 2200lbs, or is 1500lbs sufficient fully loaded? That 700lb difference reduces the the actual weighed GVWR, and mathematically, it shifts over raising the towing capacity by 700lbs to 3825 to meet the max 15250lb GCWR, but the 3500lb hitch suddenly becomes the limiting factor.
Hi Matt and Wil! My dislikes are the knobs on the drawers in the kitchen and pantry and the slide out where theater seats are. And the sops holder. And my likes are the big bed and storage and theater seats that are across from the tv. Thank you Matt and Wil.
One of only a handful of Class C- RVs that I have seen with comfortable seating, a king size bed and a nice dry bath👍👍👍but, unfortunately, that $213,000 MSRP is far more Class B than Class C😩
I love the decor and it seems to be a quality built RV. I love all the storage and the king bed. Move microwave above stove and tv over door or bunk. Please put a tile backsplash in kitchen and bathroom vanity area. Water will seep back into the wall board. OCCC?
You guys were on a roll !! We were laughing at the banter, love it. Hey for the hang over thing, if your drinking fruity drinks, it’s the sugar. I rarely get one but the worst ever was Gin and Hawaiian Punch. We drink rarely, cruises don’t count.. LOL !! Love this motorhome, I could see doing this when we get into our 60’s. See ya’ll in a few days !!
It’s a nice motorhome but they do need to make a floor plan with the twin beds in the rear that way you can have a big pass-through storage on the outside. Also, you need to put a 5000 pound hitch on the rear because this would deter me from buying this motorhome. We currently have a sprinter van motorhome with a 5000 pound hitch that we use to trailer our UTV around so you need that towing capacity. Also, does this come on a all-wheel-drive chassis and the last thing is, they need to replace the door knobs on the kitchen drawers with the ones that are used on the closet wardrobe in the bedroom. Those have handles and would work a lot better for the kitchen drawers.
When will the industry stop using MSRP, nobody ever buys it for that price, it's a joke to make it sound like you're getting a big discount. When they start talking about a real sale, off of the discount price, that's a real sale price!
Placement of that toilet is much, much better (I need of elbow and knee room). That shower shelf needs to go neck high instead of shoulder/arm high (I would rip it out and place a shelf higher). Wish this unit had been shown with the slides closed so I could see whether that fold bed could still be used by one person; some folders can I think. Wonder how much that overhead bunk window costs to replace after a hail storm....
It drives me NUTS that these manufacturers will photoshop their RV's to nullify the wheel-well offset that exists on all the sprinters. Look at the paint scheme shots at 2:40. They all show the wheels coming out to the edge of the wheel well--which would be great if it were actually possible. To reduce that gap, you would either need aftermarket wheel spacers (not cheep), OR, Mercedes would have to manufacture a wider rear axle for these units (which they won't, for the limited market--compared to gazillions of Amazon vans for example). Tiffin does the same thing in their brochures.
I’m not giving up the capacities or the washer dryer in our class a. The little b vans seem like extremely expensive beach weekends, not distance/seasonal travel.
A very beautiful motorhome. I like the layout. Only thing I can say is that I am not a fan of any propane and wish it was just an all electric coach with solar on top.
I liked your video. The rv looks perfect for a couple. Are there booster seats for the driver and passenger seats for when they turn around? Does the theater seating have a tray that you can place in the cup holders or a stand-alone table? What are the features of the theater seats, massage, heat, etc?
I bought a new Thor Windsport Class A 37-footer. There was bubbling on the roof, one of the AC units did not have a sensor (salesman had it running, so I didn’t notice), and a total of 25 items that needed warranty attention after my first earthquake (road-trip). I spent my Labor Day weekend trying to fix the generator, leaking water tank, and the list goes on. The lady at the Thor warranty department said this is the worst RV she has dealt with. Don’t forget the crappy, fake leather. That is so easy to scratch or tear and only lasts approximately two years at best. I sold it three months later as, the paint was dilapidated from the cupboards. The bathroom door kept sliding open as I would take corners. Overall, this was a nightmare. I sold it back to a different dealership at a loss of approximately 10 grand. Now every video I watch, I can see imperfections. I think it would be helpful for Matt to go over common problems that an RV person is going to encounter. And everyone is going to encounter problems. Every friend I have that owns an RV or trailer constantly has stuff breaking down. Some of it we can fix, some of it is borderline criminal.
Having the 4500 chassis but only 3500 towing capacity when our 2020 view will tow 5000? We love towing our 2dr wrangler rubicon and taken it from MN to the SW and West coast twice for 2 winters and other places. Not a fan of that spec oddity.
That would defeat the purpose of the whole channel which is Entertainment! I love seeing them muddle. We can get info anywhere. Can’t get comedy of Will and Matt just anywhere!
Grand Design??? Horrible company. Horrible support. If they were the last builder in RVs, I'd walk the world like Kane from Kung Fu before I'd waste my money.
Always wonder if Will wants to punch "don't tell me what to do Will (Matt) in the face!!!! Don't think you know how degrading you can be to him n how abrasive that is to gentleman Will who is ALWAYS❤ ONLY TRYING TO BE HELPFUL!!!!! plz stop it!! Unless you wanna be that guy?!?!? That no one should wanna be.
Wow a King size bed in a B+! Dislikes: The only seating is either theater seats OR a dinette, full body paint options, king bed, external tv, Benz, light colored cabinets, pantry. Dislike: lack of external storage, no ladder, ccc?, how tight is it with the slides in?, kitchen,. Not bad for a B+.but the price makes it a no go.
Like the interior design, the cabinets and the exterior paint. Bedroom is too cramped. Wil is never gonna buy a motor home this small so don’t need a king size bed. I don’t like having to climb over the toilet to get to the shower. You could easily make this an all electric coach with hydronic heating. Other companies are doing it.
Love how Wil is pointing the camera at the storage sticker and saying; “Matt, are you SURE there is no storage under the bed?” Hilarious.
Yeah, Matt is not so interested in reviews more interested in pushing his toilet stuff and his sponsor. He has the same old stick it's like watching 30-year-old reruns.
Not really fair-be nice too.🙂
You guys should wear booties inside these units. The warehouse grime on your shoes when you were on the mattress was insane.
They don’t care. Have you ever seen the videos where Matt sweats like a waterfall? He uses the same hands to open all the handles.
John Cena!!!
I would want the TV above the door and bring the microwave/air fryer up top. Also, there needs to be a spot for a coffee pot!!
This is a really well designed RV. I'm about Wil's size and really appreciate the 80" bed. I'm also pleased to see a pantry in a B plus, but I'm not so pleased to see the microwave mounted so close to the floor. There's no way I'd ever be able to use it.
Love to see the OCCC!
Make the bed a queen and expand the shower.
The storage on this is insane for a B+. Love it!
Wow! Awesome motor home! We really hope they have it at the Tampa Show as well. The only dislike we had, is that there is no separation door between the kitchen and the king size bed. Just to keep it more private from the rest. Otherwise, we just loved it!
I imagine GLN means Ground, Line, Neutral. It probably let's you know that electric outlet is safe to use or is correctly wired 😅
Absolutely HATE the propane generator. The generator should from the easily available and less expensive fuel tank. I don’t want to be concerned about finding propane if I am in a remote area.
Every RV should have those windows.
Grand Design is dreaming with that MSRP.
My new favorite B+ but wish the outside corner where house meets cab was rounded instead of flat also it's only a matter of time before someone leaves the small forward-facing window in the slide-out pushed out open when closing the slide. Great review guys!
I was surprised they went Euro in that window…Brinkley and even Ember go top/bottom on the slide out sides so people can’t accidentally do that.
Needs a couple small tables in front of the theater seats to eat at. Or did I miss something? Other than that, it is a very nice rv. Love the floor plan.
Love this coach! Would like a window instead of a headboard with a queen bed, and a portable induction cooktop. So happy to hear you are donating to the Human Society, may your donation be blessed 10 fold and may you receive that beautiful energy back 10 fold.
Best looking B+ out there now they need to make a rear twin bed with a garage then I’ll buy one
Yes Matt I saw the first time when you were in New York. I like this color better it’s on the 4500 chassis.
Finding out someday pulled right up to my front door here in Alaska in the lineage that was in New York City. Love it. I could definitely travel in this
These Sprinter based motorhomes continue to evolve. Love the theater seats and TV placement. There is not a lot of exterior storage, I'm sure it is due to a very limited cargo carrying capacity. I'd like to see an option eliminating the overhead bunk, replaced with cabinets. The recent gear garages being introduced are a huge upgrade. Lot of ebikes out there nowadays needing shelter.
I agree. Not everyone wants a bunk overhead. I'd rather storage there also. Or nothing there
You forgot to show it with the slides in.I always like to see both
Nice rig if only the bed could be used without the slide out.
For a 24 foot RV this Lineage hits a home run. The roof line storgae cabinets seem a little narrow; maybe an extra inch or so could be added to the height of the cabinets. That is my only comment.
Likes: light interior, available different exteriors, king size bed, large rear closet, Euro windows (assume they are double pane?)
Dislikes: 1) Drawer and cabinet latches…even before Will identified them, I was watching him try to grip the small handles. Give me normal hardware, please. 2) Is it my imagination or is the fridge partly in the bedroom?
Questions: 1) (I have asked Nate & Marissa this as well)…If you ever want to change the mattress, i.e., to a Brooklyn Bedding one, can you? How does that work with the fold up bed? 2) When the front seats swivel, do they elevate to be at the correct interior level, or are you sitting on cushions, ala the Winnebago View? 3) Realistically, how much can you tow? Without compromising the integrity of the structure over time? 4) Can the unit be ordered without the exterior tv and sound system? 5) What are the power options vis a vis solar, lithium, inverter size? 6) tanks enclosed/heated?
And yes…the really big question…the one that keeps us in our Dutch Star…what is the OCCC? I know what GD wanted it to be at the NYC reveal, but what has it ended up as?
Man is that thing nice, definitely want to check this out at Hershey
The bed definitely should fold upwards so you have a couch, plus there know place for a group of people to sit.
It would be nice if you could add a one or two windows on the top bunk overhead just for ventilation.
Very surprised they put a 3500lb hitch on this rather than maintaining the 5000lb hitch, but can understand it. But, it wipes out math games, as towing capacity is always the weakest link/component in the towing drive system, not the strongest. On Sprinters, the weakest component is GCWR minus GVWR = tow capacity, and the GVWR, by it's formulae, assumes you are using 100% of the OCCC - easy to do in a 3500. I looked on the Mercedes site at the stats on both the 170WB 3500HD and 4500 as delivered from the factory to be built. GCWR-CVWR on the 3500 has a 4220lb tow capacity which the 5000lb hitch will support. However, calculating for the for the 4500 only has a tow capacity of 3125 lbs. which the 3500lb hitch can support. OUCH! The problem is that both the 3500 and 4500 have the same GCWR of 15250, so apparently despite the beefed up suspension, that is what the engine/transmission drivetrain can handle. Mercedes specs also noted the 4500 having a higher axel rating to support the heavier load, but must have less travel as curb to curb turning radius was significantly wider in the 4500. A competing manufacturer (not named as a courtesy) lists 2200lb OCCC on a 4500 chassis. Now the math game - Do you need the full 2200lbs, or is 1500lbs sufficient fully loaded? That 700lb difference reduces the the actual weighed GVWR, and mathematically, it shifts over raising the towing capacity by 700lbs to 3825 to meet the max 15250lb GCWR, but the 3500lb hitch suddenly becomes the limiting factor.
Hi Matt and Wil! My dislikes are the knobs on the drawers in the kitchen and pantry and the slide out where theater seats are. And the sops holder. And my likes are the big bed and storage and theater seats that are across from the tv. Thank you Matt and Wil.
One of only a handful of Class C- RVs that I have seen with comfortable seating, a king size bed and a nice dry bath👍👍👍but, unfortunately, that $213,000 MSRP is far more Class B than Class C😩
It's very inspiring to watch your channel. Your videos are always so interesting and informative.🧬🍾🦍
I LOVE the color!!! ❤
Yes
Great unit, Love this size! Thanks for sharing!
Looks like such a solid unit!!! Very nice!!!❤
I love the decor and it seems to be a quality built RV. I love all the storage and the king bed. Move microwave above stove and tv over door or bunk. Please put a tile backsplash in kitchen and bathroom vanity area. Water will seep back into the wall board. OCCC?
You guys were on a roll !! We were laughing at the banter, love it. Hey for the hang over thing, if your drinking fruity drinks, it’s the sugar. I rarely get one but the worst ever was Gin and Hawaiian Punch. We drink rarely, cruises don’t count.. LOL !! Love this motorhome, I could see doing this when we get into our 60’s. See ya’ll in a few days !!
I like this one. I usually don't like slides on B+, but one on the non-camping side is alright.
Thanks!
It’s a nice motorhome but they do need to make a floor plan with the twin beds in the rear that way you can have a big pass-through storage on the outside. Also, you need to put a 5000 pound hitch on the rear because this would deter me from buying this motorhome. We currently have a sprinter van motorhome with a 5000 pound hitch that we use to trailer our UTV around so you need that towing capacity. Also, does this come on a all-wheel-drive chassis and the last thing is, they need to replace the door knobs on the kitchen drawers with the ones that are used on the closet wardrobe in the bedroom. Those have handles and would work a lot better for the kitchen drawers.
I love the size of the closet but those big doors are really awkward in such a tight space. I would much prefer sliding closet doors.
NICE RV!!! I cant wait to see the Hershey show price.
When will the industry stop using MSRP, nobody ever buys it for that price, it's a joke to make it sound like you're getting a big discount. When they start talking about a real sale, off of the discount price, that's a real sale price!
Placement of that toilet is much, much better (I need of elbow and knee room). That shower shelf needs to go neck high instead of shoulder/arm high (I would rip it out and place a shelf higher). Wish this unit had been shown with the slides closed so I could see whether that fold bed could still be used by one person; some folders can I think. Wonder how much that overhead bunk window costs to replace after a hail storm....
You missed one of the more important likes- on the Mercedes 4500 chassis.
It drives me NUTS that these manufacturers will photoshop their RV's to nullify the wheel-well offset that exists on all the sprinters. Look at the paint scheme shots at 2:40. They all show the wheels coming out to the edge of the wheel well--which would be great if it were actually possible. To reduce that gap, you would either need aftermarket wheel spacers (not cheep), OR, Mercedes would have to manufacture a wider rear axle for these units (which they won't, for the limited market--compared to gazillions of Amazon vans for example). Tiffin does the same thing in their brochures.
I’m not giving up the capacities or the washer dryer in our class a. The little b vans seem like extremely expensive beach weekends, not distance/seasonal travel.
I would love to have one of these if I had the money, it’s an awesome looking little B+! 😊
Never trust a company that can’t change the battery in a smoke detector. Beeping all through the video 🤪
The windows in the slideout are awesome!
Matt it looked like you had an iPad in your trouser pocket and I thought when you did your 3 2 1 and jumped up, it was gonna fall out LOL.
That could’ve been his other “iPad “.
A very beautiful motorhome. I like the layout. Only thing I can say is that I am not a fan of any propane and wish it was just an all electric coach with solar on top.
Make the outdoor tv door 4” higher!!!!
I’m 15 seconds into the video and see an 80” bed in a B+. I’M IMMEDIATELY INTERESTED
I drink once a year, 5 or 6 times, 6 to 10, not count the cruise 😂😂😂😂
I liked your video. The rv looks perfect for a couple. Are there booster seats for the driver and passenger seats for when they turn around? Does the theater seating have a tray that you can place in the cup holders or a stand-alone table? What are the features of the theater seats, massage, heat, etc?
Very nice! Thank you! Thank you! 👍🤘💛🧡💛
I bought a new Thor Windsport Class A 37-footer. There was bubbling on the roof, one of the AC units did not have a sensor (salesman had it running, so I didn’t notice), and a total of 25 items that needed warranty attention after my first earthquake (road-trip). I spent my Labor Day weekend trying to fix the generator, leaking water tank, and the list goes on. The lady at the Thor warranty department said this is the worst RV she has dealt with. Don’t forget the crappy, fake leather. That is so easy to scratch or tear and only lasts approximately two years at best. I sold it three months later as, the paint was dilapidated from the cupboards. The bathroom door kept sliding open as I would take corners. Overall, this was a nightmare. I sold it back to a different dealership at a loss of approximately 10 grand. Now every video I watch, I can see imperfections. I think it would be helpful for Matt to go over common problems that an RV person is going to encounter. And everyone is going to encounter problems. Every friend I have that owns an RV or trailer constantly has stuff breaking down. Some of it we can fix, some of it is borderline criminal.
And trust me, you will definitely need to purchase a new mattress costing a few hundred dollars more. Those mattresses are for the dumpster.
How about a 9 volt battery and fix the smoke detector 😅
0:14
0:44
1:47
2:20
31:20 There's a smoke detector somewhere in that building that needs a battery! 😂
Actually, I think, at least 2 detectors... Just about every 30 seconds... LOL
Спасибо за видео и за вашу работу
Having the 4500 chassis but only 3500 towing capacity when our 2020 view will tow 5000? We love towing our 2dr wrangler rubicon and taken it from MN to the SW and West coast twice for 2 winters and other places. Not a fan of that spec oddity.
Thus maybe the best B+ except we dont know the CCC
Did I miss the price in the video? I'm sure it's over $200K.
Hey Matt and Wil when yall done the factory first on the Grand Design Lineage in New York did that have full body paint?
Got to know your product before you try to sell it 😮
That would defeat the purpose of the whole channel which is Entertainment! I love seeing them muddle. We can get info anywhere. Can’t get comedy of Will and Matt just anywhere!
The mattress company needs to make one for the 24b entegra
No CCC sticker, but they have one that says "EXIT" on the door? lol
No link to the package deal, Don't see it referenced on the website either. Where can I get it?
Looks pretty, but for any new owner, RV'S are poorly assembled, and the manufacturers' service will likely take months if at all.
Did I miss a table?
$213k MSRP. That's almost triple what my small house is worth. Nice motorhome tho.
Couldn’t watch. Replace the smoke detector batteries!!!
Beautiful motor home, at this price point, should be soft close doors. Micro is awful low😮
WHERE DO YOU EAT BREAKFAST LUNCH AND DINNER?
In the recliner in front of the TV or outside at a picnic table.
Dang Matt! What aren’t you representing at the Hershey Show!? 😅
No more LP !!! --- Should be Hydronic and Diesel Generator.
Will it tow a Jeep safely?
The H is silent in Kumho, good Korean tire
Grand Design??? Horrible company. Horrible support. If they were the last builder in RVs, I'd walk the world like Kane from Kung Fu before I'd waste my money.
Always wonder if Will wants to punch "don't tell me what to do Will (Matt) in the face!!!! Don't think you know how degrading you can be to him n how abrasive that is to gentleman Will who is ALWAYS❤ ONLY TRYING TO BE HELPFUL!!!!! plz stop it!! Unless you wanna be that guy?!?!? That no one should wanna be.
This is called a B+ but looks like a C+ with the overhead sleeping area. Seems the two types are getting blended together these days
Please include more technical overviews. Nothing about Levelers/Solar/AC /Fans? Inverter? Great reviews but please mention.
Combo Like/Dislike: I like the nice clear windows. I dislike that there are no screens to keep the bugs out when the air comes in/through.........
Nope your grounded Matt😂
Price?
Wow a King size bed in a B+! Dislikes: The only seating is either theater seats OR a dinette, full body paint options, king bed, external tv, Benz, light colored cabinets, pantry. Dislike: lack of external storage, no ladder, ccc?, how tight is it with the slides in?, kitchen,. Not bad for a B+.but the price makes it a no go.
looks nice on the outside.
Colt Bridge
Bailey Turnpike
exterior storage pales in comparison to a Tiffin Wayfarer. I'd guess the Tiffin has 50% more.
Queenie Crossing
Very nice but get rid of TV in the kitchen for easy full use of that storage space. Does anyone really need 3 TV’s in 1 RV 😳
No solar?
Grand Design is owned by Winnebago
Where is the kitchen table
It’s a C - cut away chassis.
You hate B vans but you’ll tweak it for your own gain.
Overpriced, shower too small, fold up bed, small cabinets, definitely not my favorite
You lost me at 3500lbs tow capacity. Love everything else. Gotta have at least 5k tow for most toads.
MRSP is $195k STARTING... this build is prob $230k
Like the interior design, the cabinets and the exterior paint. Bedroom is too cramped. Wil is never gonna buy a motor home this small so don’t need a king size bed. I don’t like having to climb over the toilet to get to the shower. You could easily make this an all electric coach with hydronic heating. Other companies are doing it.
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is the bed a murphy or not?