Important disclaimer for "All Hands": yes, it's great to see a lot of Jun very early but you're also not getting Kirac Missions anymore, which can be a bit painful to fix your atlas progression hiccups.
I know essences are supposed to be profitable if you bulk sell them, but I can't be bothered with it personally. My personal strat has always been to block most mechanics, max out harbinger, strongboxes and shrines, get some delirium. I like mechanics that are easy and fast to activate and don't slow you down or interrupt you too much when mapping and give you currency rewards primarily. I always preferred raw currency drops over everything else.
I love the blocking nodes, they're my favorite thing on the atlas tree tbh. I don't care if it's inefficient or a waste of points to take them - I'm blocking everything that I don't want to see in my maps xd
Extreme Archaeology is awesome on any build.Throw it down in the densest area and just look at the tool tip. If you see a bricker (immune to fire or cannot be ignited for my EA ballista), find the problem and adjust, then send it. It's way faster than the other way. Another thing not enough people talk about is how you get all the remnants at once, so there's no order to worry about and the bonuses apply to every monster. It can be rippy, but you just prepare for it by positioning on the edge.
I guess the No Chance-nodes are meant for people who hate some specific mechanic so much they find it offensive every time they encounter one. So if you still have trauma of tiny Metamorph black bugs in black sludge instakilling you, you can make sure you never see Tane and his Green container again.
Blocking mechanics appears to be useful on Ruthless. This is because the mechanics spawn chances are not independent of each other, unlike in the Core game. So, in those cases it can be quite useful to block some of the ones you don't want out.
It's worth noting that the "All Hands" node does disable the ability to get Kirac missions. Took me a minute to figure that out the hard way since it doesnt make sense to me that the node would do that.
Regarding the blocking nodes: My simple softcore brain could not skip mechanics. Leaving a map with a legion in it, hurts me. Additionally, I am a slow mapper, so my maps are quality > quantity.
I am not sure but I think there is a limit to how many mechanics can naturally spawn on a single map without being forced. By blocking content you are making it so that something you don't want to do get loaded into the map instead of something you want to run.
I personally just can´t stand the clutter of all these mechanics in my map and that 2 % for each note taken adds up to me to +18 spawn chance which is great since I most of them time invest in one mechanic anways and have points to spare so why not use them to get even more of what I like ? This can also really add up when you running a lot of maps, like that 18 % in 100 Maps means 18 extra encounters of the mechanic I want.
Actually one of the best guides yet. I was struggling so hard, because, like you said the feat of missing out. I felt like running my maps and only doing fast on map content. Ritual, strongboxes, essences, breach. But I thought it would be garbage.
I'm running Extreme Archeology on an ignite build and it's great and actually makes Expedition enjoyable. It's two mods I can't run ignite and fire immune but the explosion is not big enough to get everything so I just place it, check the mods and replace it if I hit one of the modifiers.
my only complaint with the atlas currently is that the gateways take two points to work. just feels bad. i'm hoping we get more keystones as well. i like what they added but my original excitement was that we'd get one for each league and then no dice :(.
yeah haven't played in 1 year and I thought they were cool especially the ones near the middle with the "maps drop 1 tier higher" wheels for early progression but I realised that if I just branch out from the middle I "lose" at most like 1 point (and gain more small passives which are actually useful), but it's nice that you can combine things from opposite sides
You know that you need to speak to Tane once, and then he will not appear after each rare mob and will appear only when you can construct metamorph. And it's only a first time when you meet him.
How many League mechanics in total would you say you spec into on average each league? I came to the conclusion for Paragon Boards in D4 being around 4-5 total being the way, and with Path of Exile it's harder to parse as a new player. Having a loose rule of thumb would be great to work with; like, what's the diminishing return of speccing into too many major league mechanics? What's the total number of League Mechanics you spec into your Atlas if relying on crafting rather than trade? Thanks for the videos, been taking notes and making my own tier list from your Every League Mechanic video and your recent PoE University with screenshots of those slides. Much more accessible with a guiding hand, the in-game glossary is better than I expected. Edit I think a better rating for the League Mechanics, if it still makes sense, would be: Trade Focused, SSF Focused, and mixed/adaptable with your situational or skippable labels. The out of ten rating is already frivolous if you're basing viability with the current League in mind with those descriptors already being adequate next to MUST HAVE League mechanic. I hope that helps 👍🏻
While I do agree it can be a waste in Atlas points to spec into the "no chance" nodes, you also have to factor in all the maps you run and how often you get the league mechanic you get per map. For you, it might not be worth running as you are trying to clear as fast as possible, but someone who invests time into each map aka. Legion for the Emblems, or farming delirium for the Simulacrum Splinters and Delirium Orbs, or even Expedition, it all varies on how you want to play, and even though you only gain 2%, you have to take away the percent that the one you choose has zero chance of spawning, should increase the chances of finding the mechanic you want as well. I know for me, I do get enough maps, but the problem I always had was trying to get the ones I haven't completed, and if I'm getting maps I don't want, I want at least a VERY good chance for a mechanic to pop in that I want to do, rather than skipping it, just to get unlucky, and find no maps from it. It's a give and take IMO.
Hi Ziz, i'm not sure if i understand your explanation on why do you hate the block nodes. If the additional chance for extra content is that unimportant, why do you almost always take the Stream of Consciousness? For most of the mechanics it only gives +4% chance to spawn, which should make it only slightly stronger than two block nodes. If you are willing to spend two points for the Stream of Consciousness, would you also consider taking some of the block nodes for one point, if you were already pathing through the adjacent node?
I may be dumb but I am still not sure about the mechanic blocking... Let's say you block 9 of them and leave just one. Does that mean you are going to spawn that one in pretty much every map, or if it was supposed to be the blocked mechanic you get nothing at all instead?
Well each mechanic has a base 8% chance to spawn, if you block 9 mechanics then you get an additional 18% chance for the remaining one, bringing the number up to 26% chance if you don't have any other passives granting chance for that mechanic to spawn. Though there are a few mechanics such as essences, rogue exiles, strongboxes and shrines that can't be blocked but do benefit a little from that additional chance to spawn.
I am pretty sure its just a random chance of which mechanics you get to naturally spawn in a map, so removing the options would just increase the chance you get what you want. Otherwise would would be the point of "increase chance to have X, in your map" nodes.
@@Zizaran I personally don´t mind having less t4 beasts for crops that have up to 11 t3 beasts and as far as I can tell compared to what I did get before I´m getting way more now but I´m also basically spending extra points on making each plant almost have equal spawn chance instead of using one single lane to that keystone. What I also do is to focus killing only one colour of plants that is not yellow so you can kill them fast all in one go because what I suspect many did when they said they needed more time is to pick blue, than purple and here yellow etc. which yeah than it takes way longer since it spawns all tiers instead of 1. In general if you focus on more than one mechanic than you are correct to not use it but I fully use any point for harvest. One thing I also have to add is that it seems you get less per harvest but I have noticed that what the plant shows you at first can be bugged so it can show for example 1 t3 beast but when you click on it change to for example 4 t3 beasts.
Agree the atlas tree is amazing. However THE only downside for me is that I like to do Challenges each league and it "steals" areas of my atlas tree because of the grind. So I don't get to always do the things I like to do (since I prioritize getting challenges done with limited play time).
He talks like he is on speed and I can barely follow him myself and I have to constantly rewind and listen to it a few more times. I prefer to watch others doing the guides as he needs to slow the heck down.
Isnt corrupted blood physical ? should be immuned by physical on expedition . I always pass around the blocking nodes i aighter take niko 4% and move up or take alva 4% and move up , some leagues i cant do because sometimes i play build that cant do shit on some of them and i hate seeing them the 2% to everything esle is so much better anyway . But i dont care about currency , i care about leagues i enjoy and everythign boosting chance for leagues i like is a win for me , also rememebr there is limit to league mechanic on your maps , blocking it unlocks more of the rest .
The problem with the atlas is simoly that i want to play all different league mechanics and frequently change. This game is actively encouraging my autistic side to just stick with something and do it a thousand times or lose currency AND time. It is great but a couple more points or 2 pages with toggle would be good. It is frustrating that it is a huge recpec between uberbossing and non bossing strat as well as eldritch and eater. And this just for a change of flavor. Me paying for not getting bored of the game fast. I dont like that. It should be encouraged to try everything in the game, not punished. Same thing with alts. I should be able to untick a box that states that my alt isnt forced to be drowned by the same atlas tree point allocation. It is poor design. It should be character wide not account. This should be a simple change and would encourage and help alts.
The blocking mechanic should be connected to the starter node you still need to put points into it and that should be enough IMO
Important disclaimer for "All Hands": yes, it's great to see a lot of Jun very early but you're also not getting Kirac Missions anymore, which can be a bit painful to fix your atlas progression hiccups.
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I know essences are supposed to be profitable if you bulk sell them, but I can't be bothered with it personally. My personal strat has always been to block most mechanics, max out harbinger, strongboxes and shrines, get some delirium. I like mechanics that are easy and fast to activate and don't slow you down or interrupt you too much when mapping and give you currency rewards primarily. I always preferred raw currency drops over everything else.
It's more of a baseline for SSF crafting
That works great for soft core or hardcore trade I suppose, but if you’re doing hardcore SSF then currency means nothing really.
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@@imreallynothappy If I played SSF my strategy would be completely different.
I love the blocking nodes, they're my favorite thing on the atlas tree tbh. I don't care if it's inefficient or a waste of points to take them - I'm blocking everything that I don't want to see in my maps xd
I'm new to the atlas skill tree and I saw your video pop up and thought... Ziz... make it make sense!
Extreme Archaeology is awesome on any build.Throw it down in the densest area and just look at the tool tip. If you see a bricker (immune to fire or cannot be ignited for my EA ballista), find the problem and adjust, then send it. It's way faster than the other way. Another thing not enough people talk about is how you get all the remnants at once, so there's no order to worry about and the bonuses apply to every monster. It can be rippy, but you just prepare for it by positioning on the edge.
Thanks man, legit was having a hard time figuring out what to do, this video really reassured me that I could do what I wanted.
Have a good 1
I guess the No Chance-nodes are meant for people who hate some specific mechanic so much they find it offensive every time they encounter one. So if you still have trauma of tiny Metamorph black bugs in black sludge instakilling you, you can make sure you never see Tane and his Green container again.
I tend to disable Delirium and Legion. But take note that rarely Legion can still slip trough via just map mode.
I no chance blight every league idk if it's bad but Ill never not do it LOL
@@rockoutloud2112you went double negative, my dude. that means you like playing blight 🤣🤣🤣
@@bakedmomo5693 I meant never not block it on the atlas tree 😭😭
Having a blast with the delirium keystone so far!!!!
Blocking mechanics appears to be useful on Ruthless. This is because the mechanics spawn chances are not independent of each other, unlike in the Core game. So, in those cases it can be quite useful to block some of the ones you don't want out.
They used to be good for getting double blight, back when you could get double blight.
It's worth noting that the "All Hands" node does disable the ability to get Kirac missions. Took me a minute to figure that out the hard way since it doesnt make sense to me that the node would do that.
Regarding the blocking nodes:
My simple softcore brain could not skip mechanics. Leaving a map with a legion in it, hurts me.
Additionally, I am a slow mapper, so my maps are quality > quantity.
I am not sure but I think there is a limit to how many mechanics can naturally spawn on a single map without being forced. By blocking content you are making it so that something you don't want to do get loaded into the map instead of something you want to run.
I personally just can´t stand the clutter of all these mechanics in my map and that 2 % for each note taken adds up to me to +18 spawn chance which is great since I most of them time invest in one mechanic anways and have points to spare so why not use them to get even more of what I like ?
This can also really add up when you running a lot of maps, like that 18 % in 100 Maps means 18 extra encounters of the mechanic I want.
my biggest problem is that i like too many mechanics to choose
Perfect timing
I just got to maps last night and have no idea to spec this tree
Actually one of the best guides yet. I was struggling so hard, because, like you said the feat of missing out.
I felt like running my maps and only doing fast on map content. Ritual, strongboxes, essences, breach. But I thought it would be garbage.
It's the first time i've played since metamorph and i've always loved delve so i'm gonna spec every delve node here
I'm running Extreme Archeology on an ignite build and it's great and actually makes Expedition enjoyable. It's two mods I can't run ignite and fire immune but the explosion is not big enough to get everything so I just place it, check the mods and replace it if I hit one of the modifiers.
You can run fire immune in SC. 10c.
Demand is still overpowering supply in HC though so it's not justifiable.
@@redfish337 Care to elaborate? Is this a 10c unique or am I misreading?
@@RockSaysPaperOP Blackflame (ring) let's you run fire immune. At this point in league it's common enough in SC that it should be bought.
my only complaint with the atlas currently is that the gateways take two points to work. just feels bad.
i'm hoping we get more keystones as well. i like what they added but my original excitement was that we'd get one for each league and then no dice :(.
yeah, they should only take 1
yeah haven't played in 1 year and I thought they were cool especially the ones near the middle with the "maps drop 1 tier higher" wheels for early progression but I realised that if I just branch out from the middle I "lose" at most like 1 point (and gain more small passives which are actually useful), but it's nice that you can combine things from opposite sides
Blocking Tane from popping up every single time you kill a rare is absolutely worth 2 points.
You know that you need to speak to Tane once, and then he will not appear after each rare mob and will appear only when you can construct metamorph. And it's only a first time when you meet him.
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Still annoying and I take that extra 2 % for my harvest spawn.
The term you are looking for about those nodes is "opportunity cost"
How many League mechanics in total would you say you spec into on average each league?
I came to the conclusion for Paragon Boards in D4 being around 4-5 total being the way, and with Path of Exile it's harder to parse as a new player.
Having a loose rule of thumb would be great to work with; like, what's the diminishing return of speccing into too many major league mechanics? What's the total number of League Mechanics you spec into your Atlas if relying on crafting rather than trade?
Thanks for the videos, been taking notes and making my own tier list from your Every League Mechanic video and your recent PoE University with screenshots of those slides. Much more accessible with a guiding hand, the in-game glossary is better than I expected.
Edit
I think a better rating for the League Mechanics, if it still makes sense, would be: Trade Focused, SSF Focused, and mixed/adaptable with your situational or skippable labels.
The out of ten rating is already frivolous if you're basing viability with the current League in mind with those descriptors already being adequate next to MUST HAVE League mechanic. I hope that helps 👍🏻
While I do agree it can be a waste in Atlas points to spec into the "no chance" nodes, you also have to factor in all the maps you run and how often you get the league mechanic you get per map. For you, it might not be worth running as you are trying to clear as fast as possible, but someone who invests time into each map aka. Legion for the Emblems, or farming delirium for the Simulacrum Splinters and Delirium Orbs, or even Expedition, it all varies on how you want to play, and even though you only gain 2%, you have to take away the percent that the one you choose has zero chance of spawning, should increase the chances of finding the mechanic you want as well. I know for me, I do get enough maps, but the problem I always had was trying to get the ones I haven't completed, and if I'm getting maps I don't want, I want at least a VERY good chance for a mechanic to pop in that I want to do, rather than skipping it, just to get unlucky, and find no maps from it. It's a give and take IMO.
Agreed, I also block mechanics simply because I put every point I can in harvest, so for me it is just free extra spawn chance.
I like farming "john" early on too :D
@7:16 I still have PTSD from D4 nightmare dungeons spam.
very helpful!
Are shaping the skies and shaping the mountains still useful for early mapping?
Hi Ziz, i'm not sure if i understand your explanation on why do you hate the block nodes. If the additional chance for extra content is that unimportant, why do you almost always take the Stream of Consciousness? For most of the mechanics it only gives +4% chance to spawn, which should make it only slightly stronger than two block nodes. If you are willing to spend two points for the Stream of Consciousness, would you also consider taking some of the block nodes for one point, if you were already pathing through the adjacent node?
1 point for 4% chance when im not doing any fragments is great, the block ones are 2%
So when are we gonna be able to do one anoint on an Unique item/Amulet for the normal skill tree and one for the Atlas tree?
I may be dumb but I am still not sure about the mechanic blocking... Let's say you block 9 of them and leave just one. Does that mean you are going to spawn that one in pretty much every map, or if it was supposed to be the blocked mechanic you get nothing at all instead?
Well each mechanic has a base 8% chance to spawn, if you block 9 mechanics then you get an additional 18% chance for the remaining one, bringing the number up to 26% chance if you don't have any other passives granting chance for that mechanic to spawn.
Though there are a few mechanics such as essences, rogue exiles, strongboxes and shrines that can't be blocked but do benefit a little from that additional chance to spawn.
I am pretty sure its just a random chance of which mechanics you get to naturally spawn in a map, so removing the options would just increase the chance you get what you want. Otherwise would would be the point of "increase chance to have X, in your map" nodes.
Has anything changed for Affliction?
I was hopping you explane the new keystones and passives , maybe in another video?
Am i going crazy or did one cluster of essence nodes get moved?
could we get a link to this tree easier to save up later :P
3:02 Isn't corrupting blood just physical degen?, it should be affected by physical immunity.
played CF last league, and yes it is stopped by physical immunity
I was searching for this kind of video 12 hours ago... Stop reading my mind!
how do you sustain maps with no problem?
"I never learned my lesson on Chaos Resist.. I have 12 now, instead of minus 30"
Nothing more relatable ^
notes:
don’t get the big harvest node on right
Depends, if you like to gamble a bit and know what you are doing I say it is worth it.
@@aroace7913you will get less t4 beasts and less harvest juice than not having it, in what way is it worth it?
@@Zizaran
I personally don´t mind having less t4 beasts for crops that have up to 11 t3 beasts and as far as I can tell compared to what I did get before I´m getting way more now but I´m also basically spending extra points on making each plant almost have equal spawn chance instead of using one single lane to that keystone.
What I also do is to focus killing only one colour of plants that is not yellow so you can kill them fast all in one go because what I suspect many did when they said they needed more time is to pick blue, than purple and here yellow etc. which yeah than it takes way longer since it spawns all tiers instead of 1.
In general if you focus on more than one mechanic than you are correct to not use it but I fully use any point for harvest.
One thing I also have to add is that it seems you get less per harvest but I have noticed that what the plant shows you at first can be bugged so it can show for example 1 t3 beast but when you click on it change to for example 4 t3 beasts.
Can I do your atlas tree you are showing for a league starter?
Agree the atlas tree is amazing. However THE only downside for me is that I like to do Challenges each league and it "steals" areas of my atlas tree because of the grind. So I don't get to always do the things I like to do (since I prioritize getting challenges done with limited play time).
I hear the term "Trade League" a lot, what is that referring to?
NOT the solo self-found league
Can u make end game farming atlast tree? pls
i feel like i have to get 3 phd and 5 masters to learn all the leagues and new stuff i have missed in the past 7 years LUL
Just wondering why all solo players are trade league this league?
Where Kirac?
this is all well and good, but man i with i knew what any of this meant. as a D4 refugee, im LOVING this game, no idea what's going on :(
its hard to follow as a new player, with, i take this, then i grab these, then over here these.
He talks like he is on speed and I can barely follow him myself and I have to constantly rewind and listen to it a few more times. I prefer to watch others doing the guides as he needs to slow the heck down.
link atlas pls
Deez Nodes
Isnt corrupted blood physical ? should be immuned by physical on expedition .
I always pass around the blocking nodes i aighter take niko 4% and move up or take alva 4% and move up , some leagues i cant do because sometimes i play build that cant do shit on some of them and i hate seeing them the 2% to everything esle is so much better anyway . But i dont care about currency , i care about leagues i enjoy and everythign boosting chance for leagues i like is a win for me , also rememebr there is limit to league mechanic on your maps , blocking it unlocks more of the rest .
Thank you so much, I'm in PoE account is Tastyshapes and I got a lot out of this video
I'm new to maps but been playing since the game came out... I was such a scrub.
Love your videos man.!
why no atlas builder zizaran why do you hate me?
Your title a word.
First!
GZ KID
The problem with the atlas is simoly that i want to play all different league mechanics and frequently change. This game is actively encouraging my autistic side to just stick with something and do it a thousand times or lose currency AND time. It is great but a couple more points or 2 pages with toggle would be good. It is frustrating that it is a huge recpec between uberbossing and non bossing strat as well as eldritch and eater.
And this just for a change of flavor. Me paying for not getting bored of the game fast. I dont like that. It should be encouraged to try everything in the game, not punished.
Same thing with alts. I should be able to untick a box that states that my alt isnt forced to be drowned by the same atlas tree point allocation. It is poor design. It should be character wide not account. This should be a simple change and would encourage and help alts.
It's far from poor design, it actually makes your choices matter.
Ffs get to the point.