The Expert knows what he's talking about! I love these Team Marine Service video's. If I lived near his shop, he'd be the only one working on my outboards. The industry needs more folks like him.
Thank God they didn't call it an evinrude. I cannot believe this is what they decided to put their money on instead of the g2. They should have just taken all the marketing money and development from this and put it into good parts on the G2 along with refining it. They could have taken a 2 year break and got the G2 right maybe even consult mercury for some help. So disappointed.
Actually I think the last year of the G2 was pretty much figured out, it even had some performance upgrades that nobody knew about, or was even talked about. Such a great motor that never had a chance to prove itself. Very disappointed to see it go. This new Rotax is the 3 cylinder G2 which was a fantastic small motor but adding the extra 90 degree turn will likely pull to much power from it. I’m looking forward to the 6 cylinder version of this. I think this new design will be fantastic on pontoon boats, but can’t see the benefits over a G2 on a fishing boat yet👍🏻
@@TrippyWheelz totally agree man. Imo it's the nicest looking outboard ever produced. They make any boat they are on look aggressive. Wish they worked harder to fix the few issues on the big ones
They need to bring back Evinrude with a 105 or 110 degree prop shaft !! That will allow more stern lift without wedges or a canted transom, and as the motor is trimmed out the prop moves back through the arc to give the effect of set-back. Go with a inline six four stroke and it will have a natural balance and smoothness. hang a blower on the side and go like stink. Thanks Andy for all you do. Jim
Im about a year late to this but I've been watching your videos for a few years now. I've always really appreciated how you guys are very candid and upfront about whatever topic it is you're talking about. I'll admit there is also a layer of comedy between it all because of how fired up Andy gets when talking about shit going off on a tangent but still keeping things relevant to the topic and I have to say that I'm totally here for it.
I am a Johnson man,I have still got the old 1968 three strokes runs good pushes my old 1974 durocaft 16 foot boat. Have a good one love what y’all were talking about see ya next time see ya bye.
My main concern with this engine would be servicing it especially after saltwater use and also water intrusion into the motor because of improperly sealed cowlings
Our G2 250 is currently out for ignition coil failure on cyl 5. Season OVER. Power steering about to fail for the second time. Doesn’t make me want to get involved with BRP.
This is the future of engines for deck boats. I have a Hurricane with a Yamaha 200, would love the stern space where the engine cowling is. Sounds like he is coming at it from a fishing boat perspective. If it makes it to gen 3 it should be solid.
My initial understanding when Project Ghost was first discussed, was that it would be a hybridization of the Rotax jet with the G2 powerhead. That might well make some sense; this design begs further explanation.
Andy droppin all them bleeped out F bombs haha reminded me of that Happy Gilmore scene where he goes off on national tv cussing out the ball because it wouldn’t go in the hole 😂
Please bring back the Etec or G2 , whatever, I have an Etec 225 on my 21 foot bass boat, run nothing but 100% eth free fuel , usually 89 octane, she starts , runs quick , great hole shot , purrs like a happy kitty……EVERYTIME !! Evinrude, part of the industry, Just my opinion, love it 👍🏽
@@conmanumber1 I am always about supporting American made, but when it comes to these motors I want reliability. If the American made products are crap and not holding up, why would I waste my money on something I can't rely on whether it's American made or not. It's sad to see stuff that is American made go down hill and I will stick with Yamaha or Suzuki until Mercury can pull their heads out of their you know what.
They shafted their entire dealer network in a very cold way, oh-customers too, so now they can only put it on their own boats. Ever seen an outboard cowel with a crack or a chip? Ever seen a swim platform with a crack or a chip? One little bump and this thing is an insurance claim for a sunk outboard. Condensation will kill this in short time. I’m selling my boat with an Evinrude next spring as sadly I want to offload it before an injector goes now I have bought one with twin Hondas because I can buy parts for it for the next 10-20 years.
How would the intake stay above the water line in wavy conditions? Lol... Also how is it more efficient when the powerhead (brick design) is being pushed through the water?
In my opinion, the new Aluma boats with Rotax are just perfect textbook examples where wheel has been tried to be reinvented... Nice videos though! Watching you from Finland. Could you someday do a comparison/Top 10 video of the 50-horse class? It's really popular here in northern Europe. Thanks and cheers 😎
I was a diehard Evinrude fan for 30yrs. I loved them because Ole Evinrude was the original engine builder for Harley Davidson in 1903. He left H-D after a couple years to build Outboard boat motors. I was so excited when BRP bought the Evinrude name because I knew they have the money and engineering to build and design a great outboard, but just dropped the Evinrude name. I switched to Yamaha. I love my new Yamaha F70. But I was excited to hear BRP was bringing back a outboard. I naturally figured they would name it Evinrude because they own a 100 plus year old name that everyone knows. This Rotax is a bad idea. Plus Rotax dropped the 582 Aircraft engine $8,000 dollars, they dropped all 2 stroke aircraft engines. That killed the light sport aircraft engine market. They had the market cornered. Now you have to buy their 912 4 stroke that’s over $20k today. So the days of building a cheap light sport aircraft are gone. And nothing took off like a 582 2 stroke. They was great for short takeoffs in the back country.
When he said "Stealth technology" coffee shot out both my mouth and nose. The people involved that designed this atrocity have obviously NEVER had to diagnose and fix a problem out in the proverbial "field". This feels like a novelty product. Yeah it's a never before seen design but that's about it. This "UnderBoard" will only be purchased by people of means. Someone who never gets his hands dirty. Someone that replaces something immediately rather than fixing it. Reminds me of the Chrysler/Dodge Prowler or the Chevy SSR... Novelty
When my son became a engineer I told him over and over again. DO NO WASTE YOUR TIME TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL! I hate Evinrude used their customer's to find out their product issues !
I'm not into boats but own a BRP (Skidoo) snowmobile powered by a Rotax 4-stroke. It's a great performing engine but ease of maintenance / working on it was far down the list of priorities when designing it. I think their mindset is that the original owner will likely sell it / buy a newer toy before it requires any major work.
30 year marine tech business owner and Evinrude devotee since childhood. Down here in Florida outboards are king due to shallow water and rocks. I've been anxiously awaiting the reveal of the much lauded not so secret Evinrude Ghost outboard release. MAN, AM I DISSAPOINTED. WHAT AN ABORTION.
This off this subject. Im looking for the piston ring compressor tool for the inline 6 cylinder mercury engines. Anyone know where i can purchase these other than ebay?
@@TeamMarineService im not sure if we on the same page. Its for the older inline engines. Like the tower of power. They reach around the crank assy to the piston rings. There are 2 styles of ring compessors. Small and the large. I want the large. And dont want to go thru ebay
Yea, when they couldn't get the ACE900 engine crank PTO coupling to hold, they made it "replaceable". After that, they just couldn't seem to put grease in it. AND THEN they decided putting full pressure lube to it was a better idea. Hey......IT ONLY TOOK THEM 5+ YEARS to figure it out! That's just one marine platform...How long will it take them to figure this out, and how many parts will be serviceable, yet built to last?
@@TeamMarineService don't get me wrong, they are FUN machines. BUT!! When 95% of MARINE RENTAL companies around the WORLD use Yamaha, there is a reason. You can't have innovation, without homework.
I find this technically interesting, especially since it appears to use the powerhead developed for the last generation 150 Evinrude, but I am a motorhead. How are the 150 G2's holding up? I too am not certain that putting the motor so low is a great idea. Nevertheless, it might be a blessing in disguise that the new engine is under the Rotax name. Unlike Evinrude, BRP is not likely to shut down Rotax since it supplies engines for numerous applications.
The 115,140 and 150 3 cylinder are actually good. I've had multiple mechanics tell me that. They finally got some shit right with it and then pulled the plug
@@sdvten ya they should have just stuck with the g2 and fixed the issues on the bigger ones. Near the end they actually started to have it figured out. 2018s and up didn't have the steering issues. They replaced a bunch of parts and ignition. Changed the ecu mapping which before was responsible for the ones that blew up. The 115,140, and 150 were a massive upgrade again but it wad to late I guess in brps eyes
Would you guys consider doing an over, & Under series on fiberglass bass boats in the18 ft. Range with 150's? I've been looking at boats in this class, & talking to local dealers (I live in south east Louisiana). The best deals I'm finding are on the Skeeter ZX150. I'm trying to find the best deals on fiberglass bass boats which is why I'm looking at smaller boats. The only thing that I have to have is a tandem axle trailer. I plan on being on the interstate a lot and don't feal comfortable with a single axle.
OMG............I lived through selling and servicing all the VRO problems, then FICHT, then going belly up once, then BRP FICHT (kinda), then G2, then Evinrude goes away again.........Now this. I did not think it could get worse..........BUT IT JUST DID. If ya remember, FORCE tired to so something similar....that was a resounding success wasn't it?. I have one saving grace. After 20+ years I retired, sold the dealership, and now all I have to worry about is servicing my own boat. Please, oh please, will you make a video of the first time someone rolls into your shop with one of these and a problem. It would be the highlight of my life in the marine world.
Hell yea brother 💯 💪 I'm right there with ya !! 25 years in the shop and I talk and ack alot like u do great to see other people's opinions match mine !!!
It's no surprise they kicked you out Andy! This is a damn embarrassment of an outboard. I heard it was a 2 stroke too! BRP just hasn't learned their lesson. #fail
@@TeamMarineServiceunder 30hp I'll take a 4t. I'll take a 2t 30-75hp over a 4t in that range. because boats under 17 are weight sensative. And old alum boats do not sit right with all the weight hanging off the back. Anything thst needs Over 75hp back to a 4 stroke . If im racing....two stroke all day.
Why wouldn’t they just make a four stroke outboard? I personally like evinrude and have always had good luck with them. Had an 88 30hp and it ran good before I sold it and upgraded to a 2014 etec 30hp that I still have today. Never been left stranded.
I grew up on a lake back in the 1970s Myself and all of my friends dreamed of owning a sleek low profile boat, preferably a tunnel hull, with an inline 6 cylinder tower of power standing tall dark and handsome on the transom. For those of us who still like the somewhat striking appearance of those old Mercs these Rotax engines come up a little short.
Give it a chance man. I hate the negativity. I think it looks fantastic on the pontoon boats and having all that space at the back is awesome! Not sure on the fishing boat stuff. I still want to see a Alumacraft without the optional platform on the back. P.S. my Evinrude G2 is a fantastic motor. It does so many things very well. Besides the other fit and finish design changes BRP made on the Alumacraft boats are amazing. The aluminum boat market was do for some changes and this will shake things up.
GIVE IT CHANCE MMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN. I don't think so junior. And if you think Alumacraft has made such better gains than the competition, then you don't know anything about the industry.
@@charlesdriggers199 I never said that Alumacraft was ahead of the pack in competition, just that I like some of there changes they have mentioned about there new 2023 models. I don’t run Alumacraft however brand competition makes everyone up there game. And aluminum boats need some changes and technology advancements. there basic design is quite stale to me. I’m looking forward to seeing the 6 cylinder high HP version of this Rotax/Evinrude job 👍🏻
@@JR-ho5qm Well said about the Alumacraft boats. Not so much on the Rotax. Remember what was said in this video. Evinrude has been taken out of the equation . You see some,but not enough, people saying this might be a good thing. I have followed this industry for years. Rotax is not tied in with boats. No matter what you think or say. Yes it is with other watercraft, but that is a whole different segment of the market. And this motor will not be included in many avenues where Mercury and Yamaha dominate. Now what you don't seem to get is this man ,and other owners of major shops ,try to tell you what they know works. But, you are not really listening. Oh, you say you are. But not really. And we can go round and round on this subject. You are definitely somewhere affiliated with BRP. You are way too knowledgeable and well versed not to be. It's the old innovate or die mindset. Well, it all depends if what you come up with . A motor that is going to take the boating industry to a redesign just to have these motors hanging five foot off the back?
@@charlesdriggers199 I’m not affiliated with BRP but I am a huge Evinrude fan, I know how good there G2 is when properly rigged. However I am very upset that BRP took there marine products from the current dealers and are now being only sold at BRP shops that carry snowmobiles, quads, side by sides, seadoos now Alumacraft/Rotax. ( everything under one roof) . I am very loyal to this Rotax motor because I know it’s G2 technology however I am more loyal to my marine dealer that no longer is allowed to sell Evinrude/Rotax. I wish that BRP never made this decision because I think customers get better attention and support at dealers that focus only on boats rather than multiple things As far as I know this new design will mount on all boats just like a regular outboard. As much as I believe in the technology I’m also not sure it will take off. There is to much negativity and mis information/ hate about the product. All as I know is the last rendition of the G2 is a fantastic outboard that does lots of things very well 👍🏻
@@SoFloCamejo understandable, i just think if they're going to redo an outboard like this and its a new and inventive outboard to change the boating industry and you're coming from a motor company who owns trolling motors, GPS fish finders, kayaks, etc. you have the money to make something newer motor to put on the market that can match competitors because itll ball down to those who actually believe in it. like for example, i was a believer in Mercury since i had owned one for 3 years using it but over time, i dealt with Mercury issues i had to fix myself. since i have upgraded to a yamaha, i believe more into that motor because those are more durable than a mercury (in my opinion). Andy put out a video recently on a brand new Pro XS that is spit firing metal from its gears when starting up the motor. that is alarming and would make anyone stray from a merc. im not saying all Merc motors do that but to a consumer, that would make me want to switch to another motor. Evinrude has made only one fourstroke motor based on what Andy has researched and they didnt even make it. its about time they got on their A-game and be on competition with the outboard industry to give consumers options because honestly there should be no reason for the monopoly game to be involved with boating or fishing. fishing can be as expensive as you want it to be. yeah E-tec's are good im sure since those are somewhat popular, but there is a reason why your most common motors on boats today are either Mercury, Yamaha, or possibly Honda (even though Yamaha is owned by Honda)
I have no interest in these, but Andy's reaction makes me want to buy 3 or 4 of them and bring them into Team Marine for service. If I video the service trip, it might be worth money as a viral video.
Don if you buy one and bring it to the shop I'll pay Jordan to shoot, edit and produce the video on it and give all of the TH-cam Ad revenue that the video generated for 10 years to you!
We are glad too! Keep this crap over at Rotax and let them be responsible for it. It'll ultimately have crank bearing problems like all of their other 2 stroke engines! Haha
a diesel outboard would be better than a rotary lmao. I don't get why people want hp when a boat needs torque because the water is constant drag resistance
Hey let’s take 2 1.9l to make a 3.8L OP 2 stroke and achates power should help Rotax with this.mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
Let's see now - the powerhead practically sits underwater and there's two 90 degree turns in the drive works. What could possibly be wrong with that? And it will only be available on the boat brands they sell. That sounds like a GREAT marketing plan to capture a bigger share of the market. What a real POS - can't believe they gave up on Evinrude in favor of this thing. The folks who dreamed up this thing should be forced to come out to work on them when they crap out.
Andy, I saw on one of your other blogs about Mercury laying off 300 people. You were trying to get with Mercury people to get answers about Mercury's future direction. I saw online a rather eye-opening 40HP outboard engine that was being tested which uses a new type if rotary engine made by a company called Liquid Piston XTS210. This is lighter, simpler, and has great characteristics for a future production engine and had the name Mercury on it. If you get to talk to the Mercury people, ask how that project is coming along.
Id buy a new 250 Evenrude Fast Strike hahaha...90's 175 fast strike on a stratos that a couple of us friends use when our new boats break down, fires up everytime. That boat/motor has won A LOT of tournaments in southeastern WI.
Our issue is that people are going to spend thousands of dollars on this and we all know what the potential issues will before before it even hits the water. BRP is the kind of company to make an all glass car, promote it as having the best drivers visibility ever but hide the fact that 1 little door tap in the parking lot shatters the whole thing!!! Their marketing department is full of non stop BSer's!!!
@@sawmaster6095 it's half submerged, when you let off the wake will make it 100% underwater. Anything underwater has the potential to leak. And how would you ever notice a leak if it's always hidden under the deck? How do you trim the lower unit out of the water? Cant
so its basically e-tech that has a horizonal power head, hope it doesnt carry the same e-tec gremlins and failures, but on a serious note as a marine tech im wondering how bad its going to be too work on, brp is notorious for designing things that make it a nightmare to even just service. to know im going to be working on these in the very near future doesnt excite me.
Umm, it’s not the wheel. Why don’t we all just go back to wearing bell bottom jeans again. They worked right? The key to growth, allow yourself to be educated. How do they keep it dry? Sealed combined with an internal Air pump. The prop doesn’t sit any lower in the water then a standard outboard. The motor takes less movement to trim up than a standard motor. An upright motor trimmed up is going to come further back onto the rear deck trimmed all the way up then this motor will. This design extends the pontoon platform and entire 4 feet in length for usability. which is quite a bit. It creates a swim platform. Which is my wife’s favorite feature of the boat. Happy wife, happy life. Creates a great place to attach large coolers using their attachment system. That works really well I might add. Super nice feature that you can add two large rotomold coolers to your rear platform without using bungee cords or ratchet straps. This motor design changes the game in pontoon design and accessories. Do your research before you make a video.
🤣🤣🤣 Just take a minute and read the comments. Let that be your compass on if it’s a good design/idea or not. Just because it’s a new idea doesn’t mean it’s a good idea 👍🏻
Redesign is very interesting...I personally checked it out and looked into the history of this company....time will tell if this design is everything they promote. But I liked what I saw and it performed as good or better than the comparable outboards in the sam horsepower range...
I mean to be fair its pretty clear why they did this, they wanted a low profile outboard so they wouldn’t have a tower of power standing in your way. They accomplished that, but at what cost? Also its hilarious watching this guy try and understand how this outboard will lift out of the water when its literally the same pivot as a regular outboard.
@@TeamMarineService the clamp on looks very traditional, pivoting at the top of the clamp/mount. Granted, the whole deck above the engine thing is weird, it does look like its designed to lift out of the way but not clear yet if it automatically does this or passively, and what happens if someone is standing on it.
Your honesty and rant on BRP was hilarious and true. What a terrible idea for an outboard. It was probably designed by the EPA. Wait until they come out with outboards with exhaust fluid tanks like DEF systems on today’s diesel trucks. They already ruined the trucking industry, the boating industry will be next. BRP probably got a kickback from the government to build that garbage. Thanks for video I agree 💯 🇺🇸
If they were going to do an engine shaped like that it should be an opposed piston engine so they could get real efficiency and reliablity gains... this engine is just a stopgap IMO yet again.
The Alumacraft dealers I spoke with all said they loved the boat improvements. Ride/ build/ features. None of them like the “under-board”. I think 90% will be standard outboards as long as BRP will allow it.
Lmao. I would’ve paid to see this unveiling live if Andy did do it. Priceless.
It would have been a great video that's for sure
The Expert knows what he's talking about! I love these Team Marine Service video's. If I lived near his shop, he'd be the only one working on my outboards. The industry needs more folks like him.
All I want is a gear case with multiple gears. That way we can possibly be more efficient and maybe even a little faster.
The merc 600 has it. I feel like it will trickle down eventually.
You and team marine gotta do a video together
@@chrisrogers3175 OMG yessssss!!!!!
honestly supprized outboards don't have cvt's
That would definitely give us better GPH for long runs.
Thanks!
Appreciate you!!!! Thanks
Thank God they didn't call it an evinrude. I cannot believe this is what they decided to put their money on instead of the g2. They should have just taken all the marketing money and development from this and put it into good parts on the G2 along with refining it. They could have taken a 2 year break and got the G2 right maybe even consult mercury for some help. So disappointed.
Actually I think the last year of the G2 was pretty much figured out, it even had some performance upgrades that nobody knew about, or was even talked about. Such a great motor that never had a chance to prove itself. Very disappointed to see it go. This new Rotax is the 3 cylinder G2 which was a fantastic small motor but adding the extra 90 degree turn will likely pull to much power from it. I’m looking forward to the 6 cylinder version of this. I think this new design will be fantastic on pontoon boats, but can’t see the benefits over a G2 on a fishing boat yet👍🏻
@@JR-ho5qm Yeah. The G2 and even the G1 (I have an amazing 115 on my 18') had at least 5 years left..
That g2 is the best looking outboard I’ve seen. Love the looks especially in white but I’m a Yamaha guy.
@@TrippyWheelz totally agree man. Imo it's the nicest looking outboard ever produced. They make any boat they are on look aggressive. Wish they worked harder to fix the few issues on the big ones
They need to bring back Evinrude with a 105 or 110 degree prop shaft !! That will allow more stern lift without wedges or a canted transom, and as the motor is trimmed out the prop moves back through the arc to give the effect of set-back. Go with a inline six four stroke and it will have a natural balance and smoothness. hang a blower on the side and go like stink. Thanks Andy for all you do. Jim
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Never mind I just had to go watch the unveiling video man that thing looks like junk and the guy speaking is totally full of bulls%$#!
@@garywooten8612 And to think I could have been in the crowd Booing! 🤣
How does it intake air?!
Im about a year late to this but I've been watching your videos for a few years now. I've always really appreciated how you guys are very candid and upfront about whatever topic it is you're talking about. I'll admit there is also a layer of comedy between it all because of how fired up Andy gets when talking about shit going off on a tangent but still keeping things relevant to the topic and I have to say that I'm totally here for it.
I am a Johnson man,I have still got the old 1968 three strokes runs good pushes my old 1974 durocaft 16 foot boat. Have a good one love what y’all were talking about see ya next time see ya bye.
My main concern with this engine would be servicing it especially after saltwater use and also water intrusion into the motor because of improperly sealed cowlings
It probably will not be warrantied for saltwater. Its the next volvo stern.
What i saw was the weight of the powerhead farther from the transom adding extra stress and weight, while bouncing in the water and trailering
What do y'all think? Will this Outboard be a hit or a flop? Comment Below!
Pls do why is procraft bad
Same engineer who designed Roland Martins Helicopter sex toy lure. NAY!
Btw the picture of the motor loooks ugly
Everything is Mega now so Mega flop
@@rogercastle2434 HAHAHAHA
Should my 4 stroke 2003 225 saltwater series discharge be cloudy while running a hose?
Our G2 250 is currently out for ignition coil failure on cyl 5. Season OVER. Power steering about to fail for the second time. Doesn’t make me want to get involved with BRP.
This is the future of engines for deck boats. I have a Hurricane with a Yamaha 200, would love the stern space where the engine cowling is. Sounds like he is coming at it from a fishing boat perspective. If it makes it to gen 3 it should be solid.
How well is this thing going to get air and if the water gets in how does it drain out of the air box
Wow, I have an old 1976 75 hp Johnson that never misses a beat, it just keeps on going & going
I mean they built the Learjet.. how they fumbled the ball with evinrude I have no idea ..
Oh they make some good products but some of them are real head scratchers
My initial understanding when Project Ghost was first discussed, was that it would be a hybridization of the Rotax jet with the G2 powerhead. That might well make some sense; this design begs further explanation.
"Ole is crawling out of his grave" build us a kick ass Evinrude! Please.
When you say the etecs popped, anything you recommend maintenance wise or nothing can be done? Only have a 60 on a tin bass boat, but just checking
Biggest thing with them is to make sure you are running good fuel, don't let them sit forever without use and don't overheat them
Andy droppin all them bleeped out F bombs haha reminded me of that Happy Gilmore scene where he goes off on national tv cussing out the ball because it wouldn’t go in the hole 😂
Haha for sure!
Please bring back the Etec or G2 , whatever, I have an Etec 225 on my 21 foot bass boat, run nothing but 100% eth free fuel , usually 89 octane, she starts , runs quick , great hole shot , purrs like a happy kitty……EVERYTIME !! Evinrude, part of the industry, Just my opinion, love it 👍🏽
I'll pass and stick with Yamaha or Suzuki lol.
Us too Cody!
Yam/zuk ALL DAY
No they are Japanese.
Stick to Mercury. They are American made.
@@conmanumber1 I am always about supporting American made, but when it comes to these motors I want reliability. If the American made products are crap and not holding up, why would I waste my money on something I can't rely on whether it's American made or not. It's sad to see stuff that is American made go down hill and I will stick with Yamaha or Suzuki until Mercury can pull their heads out of their you know what.
Best decision you can make
They shafted their entire dealer network in a very cold way, oh-customers too, so now they can only put it on their own boats. Ever seen an outboard cowel with a crack or a chip? Ever seen a swim platform with a crack or a chip? One little bump and this thing is an insurance claim for a sunk outboard. Condensation will kill this in short time. I’m selling my boat with an Evinrude next spring as sadly I want to offload it before an injector goes now I have bought one with twin Hondas because I can buy parts for it for the next 10-20 years.
I'm damn glad that my Evinrude is an old looper!
I want my outboard loud and menacing! NOT QUITE! 😖 those big 70, 80, and 90s V6 Evinrude and Johnson’s were so cool looking! They sound great too!
Maybe i'm getting old! lol
I want my bassboat quit and fast but motorcycle loud
What about the early 80's Black Max's? I was OMC growing up but those 150, 200, 225 Black Max's gave me wood, still do.
Agreed
I miss those old straight 6 engines mercury used to manufacture.
How would the intake stay above the water line in wavy conditions? Lol... Also how is it more efficient when the powerhead (brick design) is being pushed through the water?
In my opinion, the new Aluma boats with Rotax are just perfect textbook examples where wheel has been tried to be reinvented... Nice videos though! Watching you from Finland. Could you someday do a comparison/Top 10 video of the 50-horse class? It's really popular here in northern Europe. Thanks and cheers 😎
I am curious as to why they think this is a 'better' product than the other outboards on the market.
Is the Yamaha 150 VMAX a good motor?
For the most part yes
I was a diehard Evinrude fan for 30yrs. I loved them because Ole Evinrude was the original engine builder for Harley Davidson in 1903. He left H-D after a couple years to build Outboard boat motors. I was so excited when BRP bought the Evinrude name because I knew they have the money and engineering to build and design a great outboard, but just dropped the Evinrude name. I switched to Yamaha. I love my new Yamaha F70. But I was excited to hear BRP was bringing back a outboard. I naturally figured they would name it Evinrude because they own a 100 plus year old name that everyone knows. This Rotax is a bad idea.
Plus Rotax dropped the 582 Aircraft engine $8,000 dollars, they dropped all 2 stroke aircraft engines. That killed the light sport aircraft engine market. They had the market cornered. Now you have to buy their 912 4 stroke that’s over $20k today. So the days of building a cheap light sport aircraft are gone. And nothing took off like a 582 2 stroke. They was great for short takeoffs in the back country.
Would that not be because of govt regulation? Aka epa.
When he said "Stealth technology" coffee shot out both my mouth and nose.
The people involved that designed this atrocity have obviously NEVER had to diagnose and fix a problem out in the proverbial "field".
This feels like a novelty product. Yeah it's a never before seen design but that's about it.
This "UnderBoard" will only be purchased by people of means. Someone who never gets his hands dirty. Someone that replaces something immediately rather than fixing it.
Reminds me of the Chrysler/Dodge Prowler or the Chevy SSR... Novelty
Suzuki has a new outboard motor called Stealth!
Stop gap outboard until they can go full electric?
It has to be!
where in Wisconsin are you ?
LaCrosse, WI
When my son became a engineer I told him over and over again. DO NO WASTE YOUR TIME TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL! I hate Evinrude used their customer's to find out their product issues !
I'm not into boats but own a BRP (Skidoo) snowmobile powered by a Rotax 4-stroke.
It's a great performing engine but ease of maintenance / working on it was far down the list of priorities when designing it.
I think their mindset is that the original owner will likely sell it / buy a newer toy before it requires any major work.
how is this going to stay dry? this better be light as hell with that much offset aft or the ride will be terrible.
30 year marine tech business owner and Evinrude devotee since childhood. Down here in Florida outboards are king due to shallow water and rocks. I've been anxiously awaiting the reveal of the much lauded not so secret Evinrude Ghost outboard release. MAN, AM I DISSAPOINTED. WHAT AN ABORTION.
as someone who works with BRP products. this looks like it's gonna be hell to maintain just like evinrude e-tecs and sea-doo's
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This off this subject. Im looking for the piston ring compressor tool for the inline 6 cylinder mercury engines. Anyone know where i can purchase these other than ebay?
One off of Ebay will work, just get one close to the Merc's bore size
@@TeamMarineService im not sure if we on the same page. Its for the older inline engines. Like the tower of power. They reach around the crank assy to the piston rings. There are 2 styles of ring compessors. Small and the large. I want the large. And dont want to go thru ebay
Yea, when they couldn't get the ACE900 engine crank PTO coupling to hold, they made it "replaceable". After that, they just couldn't seem to put grease in it. AND THEN they decided putting full pressure lube to it was a better idea. Hey......IT ONLY TOOK THEM 5+ YEARS to figure it out! That's just one marine platform...How long will it take them to figure this out, and how many parts will be serviceable, yet built to last?
You are exactly 100% totally without a doubt correct!!!!!! We just shake our heads at a lot of BRP products!
@@TeamMarineService don't get me wrong, they are FUN machines. BUT!! When 95% of MARINE RENTAL companies around the WORLD use Yamaha, there is a reason.
You can't have innovation, without homework.
I find this technically interesting, especially since it appears to use the powerhead developed for the last generation 150 Evinrude, but I am a motorhead. How are the 150 G2's holding up?
I too am not certain that putting the motor so low is a great idea. Nevertheless, it might be a blessing in disguise that the new engine is under the Rotax name. Unlike Evinrude, BRP is not likely to shut down Rotax since it supplies engines for numerous applications.
The 115,140 and 150 3 cylinder are actually good. I've had multiple mechanics tell me that. They finally got some shit right with it and then pulled the plug
@@EmergeFromTheAshes1 The engine in this Ghost abortion of an outboard is supposed to be the same as was in the 115, 140 and 150 3 cylinder G2s.
What does Victory motorcycle have to do with anything? They are owned by Polaris not BRP.
@@sdvten ya they should have just stuck with the g2 and fixed the issues on the bigger ones. Near the end they actually started to have it figured out. 2018s and up didn't have the steering issues. They replaced a bunch of parts and ignition. Changed the ecu mapping which before was responsible for the ones that blew up. The 115,140, and 150 were a massive upgrade again but it wad to late I guess in brps eyes
@@adamportner8102 oops. I got the parent companies mixed up.
Would you guys consider doing an over, & Under series on fiberglass bass boats in the18 ft. Range with 150's?
I've been looking at boats in this class, & talking to local dealers (I live in south east Louisiana). The best deals I'm finding are on the Skeeter ZX150. I'm trying to find the best deals on fiberglass bass boats which is why I'm looking at smaller boats. The only thing that I have to have is a tandem axle trailer. I plan on being on the interstate a lot and don't feal comfortable with a single axle.
We will get around to doing the smaller rigs soon
The tandem axle is a great idea. I do the same.
OMG............I lived through selling and servicing all the VRO problems, then FICHT, then going belly up once, then BRP FICHT (kinda), then G2, then Evinrude goes away again.........Now this. I did not think it could get worse..........BUT IT JUST DID. If ya remember, FORCE tired to so something similar....that was a resounding success wasn't it?. I have one saving grace. After 20+ years I retired, sold the dealership, and now all I have to worry about is servicing my own boat. Please, oh please, will you make a video of the first time someone rolls into your shop with one of these and a problem. It would be the highlight of my life in the marine world.
We guarantee that the cameras will be on when we get one in our shop! You can count on that!!!!
L-drive. Worst of all worlds!
The engine is designed around a very scientific mathematical calculation based on swept volume of the piston and in inefficiency of the IC Eng.
Jack plate and you are good, trim doesn’t do much for drivability function
Hell yea brother 💯 💪 I'm right there with ya !! 25 years in the shop and I talk and ack alot like u do great to see other people's opinions match mine !!!
I thought people would be happy to see a 2 stroke back on the market
2 strokes Rule
What class?
What dealer would ever take on this line?
It's no surprise they kicked you out Andy! This is a damn embarrassment of an outboard. I heard it was a 2 stroke too! BRP just hasn't learned their lesson. #fail
They haven't learn that people don't want 2 strokes anymore. It's kinda sad but reality is reality! Come on BRP
@@TeamMarineServiceunder 30hp I'll take a 4t. I'll take a 2t 30-75hp over a 4t in that range. because boats under 17 are weight sensative. And old alum boats do not sit right with all the weight hanging off the back. Anything thst needs Over 75hp back to a 4 stroke .
If im racing....two stroke all day.
Hey don’t diss the two stroke. 2✊🏻all day!!!
@@TeamMarineService Australia and Europe no more 2 strokes for sale , because of emisions .
@@alphacapo Merc 300X over a Merc 300R?
Why wouldn’t they just make a four stroke outboard? I personally like evinrude and have always had good luck with them. Had an 88 30hp and it ran good before I sold it and upgraded to a 2014 etec 30hp that I still have today. Never been left stranded.
My newest 'best' video you've shared with us. Time to watch the pt 2
I grew up on a lake back in the 1970s Myself and all of my friends dreamed of owning a sleek low profile boat, preferably a tunnel hull, with an inline 6 cylinder tower of power standing tall dark and handsome on the transom. For those of us who still like the somewhat striking appearance of those old Mercs these Rotax engines come up a little short.
Give it a chance man. I hate the negativity. I think it looks fantastic on the pontoon boats and having all that space at the back is awesome! Not sure on the fishing boat stuff. I still want to see a Alumacraft without the optional platform on the back. P.S. my Evinrude G2 is a fantastic motor. It does so many things very well.
Besides the other fit and finish design changes BRP made on the Alumacraft boats are amazing. The aluminum boat market was do for some changes and this will shake things up.
Yaaaaaaa,
No
GIVE IT CHANCE MMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN. I don't think so junior. And if you think Alumacraft has made such better gains than the competition, then you don't know anything about the industry.
@@charlesdriggers199
I never said that Alumacraft was ahead of the pack in competition, just that I like some of there changes they have mentioned about there new 2023 models. I don’t run Alumacraft however brand competition makes everyone up there game. And aluminum boats need some changes and technology advancements. there basic design is quite stale to me. I’m looking forward to seeing the 6 cylinder high HP version of this Rotax/Evinrude job 👍🏻
@@JR-ho5qm Well said about the Alumacraft boats. Not so much on the Rotax. Remember what was said in this video. Evinrude has been taken out of the equation . You see some,but not enough, people saying this might be a good thing. I have followed this industry for years. Rotax is not tied in with boats. No matter what you think or say. Yes it is with other watercraft, but that is a whole different segment of the market. And this motor will not be included in many avenues where Mercury and Yamaha dominate. Now what you don't seem to get is this man ,and other owners of major shops ,try to tell you what they know works. But, you are not really listening. Oh, you say you are. But not really.
And we can go round and round on this subject. You are definitely somewhere affiliated with BRP. You are way too knowledgeable and well versed not to be. It's the old innovate or die mindset. Well, it all depends if what you come up with . A motor that is going to take the boating industry to a redesign just to have these motors hanging five foot off the back?
@@charlesdriggers199 I’m not affiliated with BRP but I am a huge Evinrude fan, I know how good there G2 is when properly rigged. However I am very upset that BRP took there marine products from the current dealers and are now being only sold at BRP shops that carry snowmobiles, quads, side by sides, seadoos now Alumacraft/Rotax. ( everything under one roof) . I am very loyal to this Rotax motor because I know it’s G2 technology however I am more loyal to my marine dealer that no longer is allowed to sell Evinrude/Rotax. I wish that BRP never made this decision because I think customers get better attention and support at dealers that focus only on boats rather than multiple things
As far as I know this new design will mount on all boats just like a regular outboard. As much as I believe in the technology I’m also not sure it will take off. There is to much negativity and mis information/ hate about the product. All as I know is the last rendition of the G2 is a fantastic outboard that does lots of things very well 👍🏻
If evinrude came back, I would have made it a four stroke and called it the “ghost” something like the SHO or PRO XS
Ghost was actually the original name of this project from BRP, they announced it about a year ago
@@SoFloCamejo understandable, i just think if they're going to redo an outboard like this and its a new and inventive outboard to change the boating industry and you're coming from a motor company who owns trolling motors, GPS fish finders, kayaks, etc. you have the money to make something newer motor to put on the market that can match competitors because itll ball down to those who actually believe in it. like for example, i was a believer in Mercury since i had owned one for 3 years using it but over time, i dealt with Mercury issues i had to fix myself. since i have upgraded to a yamaha, i believe more into that motor because those are more durable than a mercury (in my opinion). Andy put out a video recently on a brand new Pro XS that is spit firing metal from its gears when starting up the motor. that is alarming and would make anyone stray from a merc. im not saying all Merc motors do that but to a consumer, that would make me want to switch to another motor. Evinrude has made only one fourstroke motor based on what Andy has researched and they didnt even make it. its about time they got on their A-game and be on competition with the outboard industry to give consumers options because honestly there should be no reason for the monopoly game to be involved with boating or fishing. fishing can be as expensive as you want it to be. yeah E-tec's are good im sure since those are somewhat popular, but there is a reason why your most common motors on boats today are either Mercury, Yamaha, or possibly Honda (even though Yamaha is owned by Honda)
You guys are the best!!! Bring back the Rudes!!!!! Speed, Money, No brakes!!
Do you remember when Homer Simpson designed that car? Yeah this is kinda like that.
I have no interest in these, but Andy's reaction makes me want to buy 3 or 4 of them and bring them into Team Marine for service. If I video the service trip, it might be worth money as a viral video.
Don if you buy one and bring it to the shop I'll pay Jordan to shoot, edit and produce the video on it and give all of the TH-cam Ad revenue that the video generated for 10 years to you!
@@TeamMarineService Hmm, I think I'll keep my 90 SHO for now. I wonder if that piece of **** comes in a tiller that would fit my warrior.
You’re broke, stop talkin!
@@TeamMarineService will you give me that same deal???
First time boat buying looking for a pontoon. Saw the Rotax and immediately raised an eyebrow
From my personal experience, the outboards I've submerged under water, never ran reliably again.
Hey Andy,Thanks for moving over so I could read the orang sign.. mike in Az.
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Some efficiency has to be lost by adding another set of gears too. More complicated it seems too.
Yes we forgot to mention that. We were told around 16-18% lost
@@TeamMarineService It wont be that high but yes some. Your truck doesnt loose 18% in the diff, but maybe in the Trans
I started at the age of 3 with an Elto on out Lyman. I have had no less than 20 Evinrudes and Johnson’s over the last 50 years. and still
I had no idea that i was tuning into a comedy show..lmao I laughed at least 65 percent through this.. Great video
Brp rotax are so reliable they are FAA approved for flight. Which other outboard engine has that check mark
Great video. Thanks for the review. I would love a great new evinrude. Maybe Tesla should make a 250???
Better angle of the new set 👍 nice work. I'm looking forward to videos of you roasting these failures this underboard will have.
great price good on gas where can i buy one...
Do you like one motor over another that doesn’t clog up in a little muck.
I like the evinrude brand I always thought that they were well made and thought out what the thinking of a underboard ?
I wonder why BRP didn’t leverage the 4-tec motors they use in seadoos..
Because BRP...We are scratching our heads too!
Can't wait till the 250 version comes out!! lol
What a joke! I'm almost glad BRP didn't force this on Evinrude. Rotax Outboards is dead before it even begins. Garbage!!!
We are glad too! Keep this crap over at Rotax and let them be responsible for it. It'll ultimately have crank bearing problems like all of their other 2 stroke engines! Haha
How could you know haven’t even been out yet
a diesel outboard would be better than a rotary lmao. I don't get why people want hp when a boat needs torque because the water is constant drag resistance
@@trevor8467 Rotax are not rotary engines.
@@sdvten my bad lmao 🤣 I just assumed I love there videos just didn't even watch it lmao. my bad
Homer Simpson Car...
Rotex engines are very reliable and horse power up to over 300 Hp in the future running two 150 could be in second generation could be a true winning
You are correct however this is a new 2 stroke! Not the Sea Doo ACE engines
Hey let’s take 2 1.9l to make a 3.8L OP 2 stroke and achates power should help Rotax with this.mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
Let's see now - the powerhead practically sits underwater and there's two 90 degree turns in the drive works. What could possibly be wrong with that? And it will only be available on the boat brands they sell. That sounds like a GREAT marketing plan to capture a bigger share of the market. What a real POS - can't believe they gave up on Evinrude in favor of this thing. The folks who dreamed up this thing should be forced to come out to work on them when they crap out.
I am in the process of ordering a 2023 alumacraft. Thank fuc k I am going with a Suzuki.
Andy, I saw on one of your other blogs about Mercury laying off 300 people. You were trying to get with Mercury people to get answers about Mercury's future direction. I saw online a rather eye-opening 40HP outboard engine that was being tested which uses a new type if rotary engine made by a company called Liquid Piston XTS210. This is lighter, simpler, and has great characteristics for a future production engine and had the name Mercury on it. If you get to talk to the Mercury people, ask how that project is coming along.
@ 21:20 SQUIRREL!!! Can hardly wait for you to get a "demo" model :) tannerite at 100yds!!
Id buy a new 250 Evenrude Fast Strike hahaha...90's 175 fast strike on a stratos that a couple of us friends use when our new boats break down, fires up everytime. That boat/motor has won A LOT of tournaments in southeastern WI.
Nice,Underboard,I think they have lost there Mind!,
That semi-submersible under-board is going to be a boon with the narc submarines trying to reach the Sea of Cortés with their bounty!
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Sounds like they listened to the BOT that says.... Hello, I'm from the goobernment and I'm here to help. Great vid, thanks for your time.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yessssssss
Big Al running BRP too. Sorry, couldn't resist that one.
It’s a cool idea. Gives you a swim platform and those with IO and jet boats say they love it. However no way it will be reliable.
Our issue is that people are going to spend thousands of dollars on this and we all know what the potential issues will before before it even hits the water. BRP is the kind of company to make an all glass car, promote it as having the best drivers visibility ever but hide the fact that 1 little door tap in the parking lot shatters the whole thing!!! Their marketing department is full of non stop BSer's!!!
@@TeamMarineService What are the potential issues? I thought the 3 cylinder G2 was actually super reliable if you didn't get the built-in steering
@@TeamMarineService yep. The worse part is I don’t think you could even reposed these boats if the engine goes.
@@sawmaster6095 it's half submerged, when you let off the wake will make it 100% underwater. Anything underwater has the potential to leak. And how would you ever notice a leak if it's always hidden under the deck? How do you trim the lower unit out of the water? Cant
BRP and reliability just don't go in the same sentence do they?
Screwed em up when you said you’d be honest 😂
so its basically e-tech that has a horizonal power head, hope it doesnt carry the same e-tec gremlins and failures, but on a serious note as a marine tech im wondering how bad its going to be too work on, brp is notorious for designing things that make it a nightmare to even just service. to know im going to be working on these in the very near future doesnt excite me.
Forget sealing it up. How is this thing not supposed to ingest water when you're in some chop. Hope the warranty covers hydrolock!
Umm, it’s not the wheel.
Why don’t we all just go back to wearing bell bottom jeans again. They worked right? The key to growth, allow yourself to be educated.
How do they keep it dry?
Sealed combined with an internal Air pump.
The prop doesn’t sit any lower in the water then a standard outboard.
The motor takes less movement to trim up than a standard motor.
An upright motor trimmed up is going to come further back onto the rear deck trimmed all the way up then this motor will.
This design extends the pontoon platform and entire 4 feet in length for usability. which is quite a bit. It creates a swim platform. Which is my wife’s favorite feature of the boat. Happy wife, happy life. Creates a great place to attach large coolers using their attachment system. That works really well I might add. Super nice feature that you can add two large rotomold coolers to your rear platform without using bungee cords or ratchet straps. This motor design changes the game in pontoon design and accessories.
Do your research before you make a video.
🤣🤣🤣 Just take a minute and read the comments. Let that be your compass on if it’s a good design/idea or not. Just because it’s a new idea doesn’t mean it’s a good idea 👍🏻
Redesign is very interesting...I personally checked it out and looked into the history of this company....time will tell if this design is everything they promote. But I liked what I saw and it performed as good or better than the comparable outboards in the sam horsepower range...
Very interesting Ken. Time will tell on these that's for sure
The worst part about it is there was more than one person that thought this was a good idea.
Sad but true! Straight from the board room
I mean to be fair its pretty clear why they did this, they wanted a low profile outboard so they wouldn’t have a tower of power standing in your way. They accomplished that, but at what cost?
Also its hilarious watching this guy try and understand how this outboard will lift out of the water when its literally the same pivot as a regular outboard.
Pivot's and lifts the rear deck?
@@TeamMarineService the clamp on looks very traditional, pivoting at the top of the clamp/mount. Granted, the whole deck above the engine thing is weird, it does look like its designed to lift out of the way but not clear yet if it automatically does this or passively, and what happens if someone is standing on it.
Your honesty and rant on BRP was hilarious and true. What a terrible idea for an outboard. It was probably designed by the EPA. Wait until they come out with outboards with exhaust fluid tanks like DEF systems on today’s diesel trucks. They already ruined the trucking industry, the boating industry will be next. BRP probably got a kickback from the government to build that garbage. Thanks for video I agree 💯 🇺🇸
If they were going to do an engine shaped like that it should be an opposed piston engine so they could get real efficiency and reliablity gains... this engine is just a stopgap IMO yet again.
And you wonder why they didn’t go with you to promote it lol
Love the honesty
I’ll stick with my Yamaha
The Alumacraft dealers I spoke with all said they loved the boat improvements. Ride/ build/ features. None of them like the “under-board”. I think 90% will be standard outboards as long as BRP will allow it.
What about the yamaha underwater motor? Have you done a test on it yet? You seem to love the yamss.
Reminds me vaguely of the Force L-Drive