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You should make a video about some of the things Iann Flynn said recently like how Sonic Prime is Canon and that the shadow changes in the Fast Friends Forever have a meaning and that we will find out in the near future
Well.. there's still another way of "reviving" Sonic Prime perhaps if they implemented new Characteristics maybe it's just the same whole "Story" yanoe? Eggman is always the same Enemy?? Idk just speculating we Sonic Fans need something FRESH for once Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing is the best racing game in the World imo love your videos Man!
There is no "staying" PG rated in this culture. If you let a franchise stay there it will get kiddified as Western culture more and more talks down to it's youth. Getting to as bad as college kids are not considered adults anymore, and they are offered shows written like My Adventures With Superman. Emotionally immature but STILL not suitable for children. Not a single generation has yet come out good after losing movies like 1993 Leprechaun, and how it is shaping up isn't looking very good. The movers and shakers of the future don't seem to even come from the western world, they're raised a bit tougher than to strike for SAG-AFTRA all the time. And that's why they actually CREATE the material where hollywood directors may insert their leadership. It seems a bit unbalanced in the power and privilege side.
I think Sonic’s original inception was to be a force of nature or the living embodiment of freedom rather than a normal character with flaws. He’s more of an ideal
Oh in case you didn't know, Sonic from Satam will be continuing the series as SEGA has approved it, they've already started animating. So if you're interested it's called team sea3on. They're going to bring Knuckles into the lore as well as a few others. Saw shadow in their artwork so I think he'll be in the lore at some point as well as Fang the Sniper. The depth of the story is also amazing, so feel free to check it out.
Sonic Prime definitely isn't "so hated", not by a longshot. I personally absolutely enjoy it, especially season 2. Season 2 is really damn good, and the last episode of season 2 with the reveal is absolutely fantastic. While I did predict it, it was still shocking, and I LOVE seeing how crushed Sonic was. It gave the world and characters real stakes, and I really like that about it! :D
Just because Sonic never necessarily caused the problems to solve in the games doesn’t mean he’s a perfect character. He still had flaws. But the point of his character isn’t to change as a person, but rather inspire change in those around him. I found that really admirable about him.
@@kazuna_Endi that would be the case if sonic satam cartoon had dark tone and and sonic always had dark tones even when i was kid i noticed this so no sonic prime shouldn't be this childish
@@willa.5393 Sonic Fans all have shared the same journey for a long time it was becoming evident that Sega was trying to committ to all ages not only for the younger population. They all new that the once that child fan will grow up so they start developing games with more mature content. Not only that but for the older population who are new to Sonic as well.
"Sonic is not going to grow with you" He has. Frontiers is his most mature iteration yet. Even for Amy, Tails, and Knuckles. They got rid of their ages for a reason. Edit: The mainline games should stick to the more mature shonen style as well as using redesigns and animation changes that'll match the tone and environment, like the Divergence Prologue for Frontiers.
I think the hate towards Sonic’s characterization was more so because of lore consistency. Sonic fans wants the main series be consistent with what it is in previous titles and expand upon that, instead of change it unless it’s bad.
My headcanon for Sonic's personality shift from Forces to Frontiers is that Tails just simply told him, "You're not funny, you have to stop telling these terrible dad jokes or I'm going to be sick!"
It can be hard to see, and I don’t hate the series and I understand it has its flaws but it’s everyone’s opinions! But I love the series and it’s own way.
I'm glad someone finally made this video. I've always loved sonic prime, but after season 2 dropped, it seemed everyone switched up and started hating on it, and I was just like what? Where has this come from? And nobody really had any good reasons to hate on it, it seems people are just hating to hate.
A similar argument could be said for people who love because they see a name, not an ideal. Sonic Prime had great graphics and actors but many of the main characters are underused and no matter how much they want people to accept that it's canon, if you play the games you'll realize it clearly isn't. I was hyped just like everyone else and I gave it another chance with season 2's release only to find a similar repetitiveness. Remember when Lucas sold the Starwars franchise to Disney? Fans were angry about that because Starwars was more than just a title, it was an ideal. Disney had given no forethought into authenticity and so they copied and pasted Lucas's original ideas into a cash grabbing mess and they were plummeting until the Mandalorian series saved the franchise. So yes, a lot of folk including myself are expressing our displeasure with Sonic Prime as we are allowed.
I'm a fully grown adult who has always been fairly indifferent about the Sonic franchise as a whole... and yet, the more I've dabbled in Sonic media in recent years, the more I find myself utterly enraptured by/with it, particularly where the movies, shows and comics are concerned. The games have always been very hit or miss for me, with Generations and Racing Transformed being the only ones to really grab me, but things like the live-action movies, the IDW comics and ESPECIALLY Sonic Prime have slowly but surely turned me into an adult Sonic fan. I can't even really explain what it is about the franchise that has caused it to suddenly strike a chord with me as hard as it has (other than the fact that I've always been kind of a sucker for anthropomorphic animal characters), but damn, it has really gotten under my skin in the last few years.... and I'm okay with that. (:
I believe it’s because it’s always changing. It’s never just one thing and that’s why in more recent years I became a fan as well. Ever since the first movie. I love this franchise because it’ll never be the same.
7:37 I didn't mind this interpretation of Sonic at first, it isn't the same as the Sonic we've seen in the games, but you could always assume that Prime is its own thing with its own take on Sonic's story. *However* since the director of Sonic Prime has stablished that this show is canon to the games, now this take on Sonic feels wrong and hard to put in any point of the game's canon without assuming this series is gonna do an 06 and remove itself from the canon so it technically happend but nobody remembers it or assuming it's part of another dimension that forms part of the Sonic multiverse, (both takes feeling like cheap ways to make Prime part of the main deal).
I think you’re confused why people say they want a more mature Sonic. I was very disappointed when you used examples of Man of Steel or Shadow the Hedgehog. Look at the Adventure Era games and how they do their stories. Even Sonic 06. We’ve had “shonen” level stories in the past and older fans prefer to that over Prime that’s DEFINITELY targeted at a younger kid audience. I have no idea where there’s anything mature besides maybe that one scene in the finale of this season. Other than that, this show is incredibly light hearted and lacking elements that can draw in all ages as a whole.
I agree that Sonic Prime is a good show and an interesting interpretation of Sonic but I would argue Sonic Satam has a stronger storyline and characters that compliment it while also having a teenage Sonic like Prime but with more to his character like his street smarts, his uncle that he is trying to save, and keeping his cocky attitude. I don't think in the early 2000's that Sonic was this perfect character because we still saw him misunderstanding situations and coming up short in certain areas but we see how Sonic has become more mature through his experiences in battle which shape him into the person he is in the games and the comics.
Amen to that brother, primes animations and voice actors are wonderful but all n all Satam just had a way of grasping it's audience, I wasn't alive when it first aired but Satam was clearly the more in depth tone. Speaking of which I'm with a group that is continuing the series and we've been given feedback as to how the story will unfold. It looks amazingly authentic.
th-cam.com/video/tzJBq-fPrF4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ddsyXx3yG_cwmdzZ Here's the link to the trailer. It turns out the original artists and writers from Satam all came back together and SEGA gave the ok for them to do this project. This is going to change the direction of the franchise on massive scale. We're also looking for patreons if anyone is interested in seeing these possibilities come to fruition.
Prime is ok but i feel like every episode is the same. Story for a few minutes, fighting for a majority of the episode, then story for the last few minutes. Rinse and repeat
In my opinion I think Prime is okay at best. I do like some parts of it like the animation, voice acting and especially Shadows character. Aside from that its kinda eh, it does get repetitive sometimes and some of the words feel pretty empty. (If you like the show its perfectly fine).
"Not because they're better or worse, but because Sonic should not just be one thing." Thank you!!! Someone finally said it. Also, I really like Prime Sonic.
I think why liked the 2000’s Sonic so much is the same on why a character like Forest Gump or Goku is still compelling despite being static characters. They don’t change themselves necessarily but what they do change is the others around them. To show the character the lie they believe is wrong and show them the truth. Examples I think of with Sonic is getting Elise to open up more and seize the day, showing Chip the joys of life and that people can fight the darkness in your heart or telling Merlina how life can’t last forever and you just have to live that life to the fullest extent. To me 2000’s Sonic is an example of the ideal hero who is a shining beacon for the world to look to when all hope seems lost. (I still like Prime’s Sonic but that’s just my personal favorite version of Sonic)
I can't agree more. It's the reason why I believe that Sonic X is arguably the best Sonic show ever made (Japanese or French dubs), to me it is. It has the most accurate character writing of each character compared to the mainline games. I really liked the humans here (except Chris, honestly). Sonic and Dr Eggman are my favourites.
Yea, you can have static characters and still make them compelling. What made adventure era Sonic so good was that he gave off an experienced adventurer in contrast of other characters around him. I don’t need anymore jokey-immature main characters. There’s like a thousand of them in kids shows.
I love Sonic Prime, a lot! Plus the concept of Sonic going through different worlds reminds me of the My Little Pony Season 5 Finale were Twilight and Spike went through different futures.
In my opinion. I think Sonic Prime is really one of the best series going by far. Now I'm am 41 so I really do miss the 90's Sonic SatAm series alot because it became the pinnacle of my childhood and really the first thing I learned how to draw and still do today.
The only reason why Sonic Prime is my favorite series is because of the animation, is it serious that in 32 years of the franchise we haven't had a more serious and beautiful animation?
I think most people hate sonic in this show because how sonic is acting more childish not because the show is childish and we're used to a more mature sonic.
12:21 It has been stated that Sonic Prime is, in fact, a canon part of the Game Sonic’s universe, or just the IDW comics. So this means that Game Sonic and Prime Sonic are, for better or worse, the same person.
7:35 to 8:10 logan McPherson says it not part main timeline of sonic games so no sonic prime not same sonic from the games th-cam.com/video/4tyAgFvTU4s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=NvFQLglfgG7Y9ZKq
My biggest issue with sonic prime is how overly simplified everything is. The world they establish for sonic as the status quo is litterly just sonic and his friends living on green hill zone, and it leaves the far more insterest sonic world outside of green hill zone massively undeveloped. Every other character is just "sonic's friends" and all they do is hang out with sonic and fight eggman, rouge isn't a goverment agent or knuckles isnt the gaurdian of the master emerald on angel island and shadow just HAS a chaos emeralds without any of the others being mentioned. And the other shaterverses aren't much better with them having the most basic multiverse templates with only one or two notiable character from each universe, while everyone else is just backgroubd fodder like the jungle world characters that arnt amy or any of the priate crew memebers that arnt knuckles. Sonic himself is extreamly imature and doesnt feel like a cool free spirited adventurer. he's just a basic boy scout who always praises his friends 24/7 and always wants to save the day and be the hero, rather him just doing what he personally wants to do and it happening to be a coincidence that he likes adventuring and helping others. And the worst part is how the chaos conceal is just eggmans main personally traits split up into 5 one note bad guys who aren't interesting or funny.
Do you believe that even if it has poor adaptations of the adventure games, plot holes, and only 1/3rd of the series actually being good? Oh, and 4Kids doing 4Kids stuff. I’m only saying this because most people who like Sonic X viewed it dub. I agree with season 3 ending being great, heck I say most of season 3 is great! In my opinion, Sonic X is overrated.
bro the 4kids dub is mid as fuck (not cause the voices), subbed sonic x is a masterpiece, and personally i actually enjoyed the game adaptations, but if you think its overrated, then u do u. @@JustJack2005
I believe the whole point of his character is to inspire change in others. Like when he suggests that Metal Sonic should do his own thing and that he doesn't need to take orders from Eggman in the comics. Or how he gets Knuckles to change in the 2nd movie. Or how he eventually gets shadow to at least become an ally from time to time. Or how again, in the comics, Eggman asks Sonic when he will basically stop bothering him, and Sonic just says "Not until you get a clue and come around." Or in Unleashed: "If you played nice, I wouldn't have to break all of your toys." Can't say he got Eggman or Metal to change, but he at least tried to. (Oh yeah he got Sage to change too I guess). We get moments like this from almost every version of Sonic and as long as that characteristic is part of Sonic’s character then I won't hate a single version of him. His still has flaws outside of Sonic Prime though, he gets his friends in trouble during the Metal virus and he admits to doing something stupid in Lost World, he has made and still makes plenty of mistakes.
I think sonic is for all ages Kishimoto himself said that sonic frontiers' story was for adolescents If someone doesn't like sonic prime then there is other sonic media that they can find and enjoy
I think the main problem isn’t it’s tone I think in my opinion is the fact that this is somehow cannon to the games which makes me not like Sonic in this because he’s just too different if it was a show from a separate universe then I wouldn’t mind and if that is the case why say it’s cannon in the first place it’s not like Sega or sonic team is gonna make a game or tv show with two Modern sonics another thing I think is the problem is the main villains the Chaos Conucil mainly because they aren’t a threat and I find it hard to believe they took over the world
My problem with Prime is not Sonic’s character, but the absence of other characters. None of the Shatter verse cast is as interesting as the legacy cast for me.
I feel like "OG" stuff is whats hurting franchises. I know that the old days were amazing and were probably better than most of what we have today, but we have kids who grew up on those things who are now adults who still want a franchise to cater to their nostalgia like it did when they were younger, and this aint nobody's fault, this is just the unfortunate result of time. It exists. Catering to one thing forever is not a thing, especially with an ever changing audience. To cater to then's kids would be to ignore another audience who may not like the "complexity" or some other element of your show. To cater to now's kids would be to ignore the OTHER audience who don't like things because they feel like the old things were simply better due to subjective nostalgia. There will never ever be a day where the entire world is happy about something, and it will constantly tear franchises apart.
Very well put, that's why I'm glad to see that there is something for everyone in the Sonic franchise. While I do appreciate people's passion, some or a lot of them, (dunno, didn't count.) complain too much about it.
I dunno. I found Prime's story to be plenty dark. His conflict with Nine, the fact that the disaster was caused by Sonic and the possibility that there may never be a chance to get his reality back without sacrifices seem pretty heavy to me.
It is mature because it frames Sonic with how his behavior would come clashing with reality, and that's the difficult thing to accept if you're immature. It's a childish fantasy that Sonic can just stroll along and be Kenough all the time, where universe just bends over backwards to HAVE everything fall in place for you as you yank a Chaos emmerdood out your butt. Sonic has been like Snake Plissken all this time, just in that sweet spot where you're unironically blind to it, and he can flip to "Baldy McNosehair!" mode with a slight alteration of WHO the writers are trying to convince.
I think the issue with Prime Sonic is that if it's true, that this series does have any sort of connection to the games. Then the change in Sonic's character would be a regression to most of the experiences he's had this far depending if and when this takes place. If however this Sonic is his 'own' Sonic as in the cases of shows in the past then him starting out and goofing up as much is mostly fine I'd say.
I love sonic prime, the animation, the voices, the fight scenes, sound effects and music is amazing. In the older games I always feel like his the character designs mixed in with realism backgrounds and humans always felt strange so I love the cartoonish look, everything in the show just feels right
I’m kinda one of those weirdos that got really into Sonic at age 13 (I was having family/personal problems around the time). I liked him as a kid, but I didn’t really play the games that much.
I think you’re generalization of teenagers is pretty one note and shallow, not all teenagers are immature tornadoes of uncontrollable hormones, some of them are actually pretty mature for their age and while they still have a lot to learn they, for the most part have pretty good heads on their shoulders. Also the problem people have with Prime is not that they’re trying to make him a dynamic character it’s that they’re trying to make him a dynamic and shove him into a setting where he should’ve had many adventures beforehand and then give him flaws that don’t make sense in retrospect because this would mean he was like this during Adventure 1 and 2, it just doesn’t work and comes off as inconsistent. That maturity you talked about did exist in the early to late 2000’s games. Why did Sonic feel more like an adult and not like a teenager? Probably because he already did the growing and maturing that you were talking about. Yes Sonic did start off as a franchise for kids but slowly it tried to grow with its audience in the early 2000’s and even before then, why do you think they shifted the tone of Frontiers like they did? You said it yourself, people hated the meta era Sonic plus we already have a Sonic media that’s doing exactly what you said can’t happen, the IDW comics are full of stories that deconstruct the franchise from Sonic’s ideology to how the constant fights between Sonic and Eggman affect others around them. A franchise as old as this should try to grow with its audience like Digimon or Final Fantasy did, because at the end of the day that’s who comprises most of their audience, this is one of the main reasons why the Pokémon franchise is always in the hot seat due to how it constantly alienates it’s audience and dumbs down the games. Saying Sonic can’t grow with its audience is a very untrue statement. Lastly about him being the one to start the trouble instead of Eggman, all that would do is make him a liability, it’s precisely for that reason that many people despise DBS Goku and love DBZ or DBGT Goku more, if your hero is the one causing the issues that makes them no better than the villain, not to say he can’t mess up every now and then like in Unleashed or X, but he shouldn’t be the trigger for problems.
Sonic Prime is something I'm rather indifferent with. It's got strengths and weaknesses like any product does. Sure there's an appeal to it and trust me I see some of it myself, but Sonic in the show to me isn't my kind of Sonic I want and grew up with. I'm someone who was grew up with Unleashed Sonic back in 2008 as my first played Sonic game as a late kid. I like how he has a flaw and has to correct the error of his way in Prime, but some of his actions are too childish for my personal taking. Let's take a look back at another show, Sonic X, a show that I personally think got his personality down, at least for the most part. He's cocky, brass, reckless, a bit jokey and childish, and does cause problems for some people around him, but he does go out of his way to fix it. Sure, the human characters can sometimes take away the importance of the story, but it at least helps builds it's world building whether we like it or not. Getting back on topic, it's not to say Prime Sonic isn't any of that, but I think it's the portrayal from the writers that's not really hitting it home for me, personally speaking as someone in the mid 20s.
I like this show in its own little world as soon as they made it canon I started comparing it to the normal Sonic and for me anyway it didn't make sense to have Sonic regress like this
I can think of lots of times where Sonic as Jason Griffith made mistakes and learned from them but I do have to admit that it was Eggman that caused the main plot catastrophe or whatever villain was out there. In Sonic 06, Sonic made a mistake to bring Elise home then Eggman kidnaps her again. Also, he didn’t catch her in time to save her so he had to go back in time thanks to Silver’s help to rescue her and redo his mistake. In Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic did make the mistake of trusting Merlina though he does come through for her in the end. In Sonic and the Secret Rings he made the mistake of trusting Sharha but she came through for him in the end. There were lots of times where he would take in Eggman like in Sonic Chronicles even though he questions him but then Eggman backstabs him anyways. In Sonic X, he made that mistake of letting Black Narcissus get to him and letting his anger boil over what had happened to Chris and Cosmo thus becoming Dark Sonic. He had every right to be angry but he still needs to learn to control his temper in situations like that. In Sonic Riders, Sonic made the mistake of not seeing Wave put an exploding device on his Riding Gear. So it explodes making Jet win at the racing championship. In Sonic Unleashed, Sonic makes the mistake of talking to Eggman too much as Super Sonic when he should have done something to him. But, instead Eggman traps him in the machine to turn him into Werehog Sonic. It’s a long never ending list I can go on. Lol
I think the reason sonic did so well in the 90s and now in the 2020s is because of how varied the different takes on the character is. There should never be a "definitive sonic" otherwise we'll be stuck in another dark age or meta era
From what I heard, it was also the fact that the director of Prime confirmed that the show is canon to the overall main plot of the games which offsets a lot of fans as that have Sonic's character be more on a regression.
The reason I don’t love the show doesn’t have too much to do with the characterization or the voice acting or it being “childish”. My issues have to do with it being a super boring and repetitive. Every episode is a always go to a shatter space, fight some enemies for far too long and do it all again
@@mephilesfan ongggg bro, both season suffer from that but season 2 in particular was a real drag to get through to the end and it was only 8 episodes 💀
I honestly don't hate this show. My friends and I have been watching the show mostly for the acting performances and though I question the choice on Prime Knuckles' voice actor, the rest did an amazing job acting wise on the series so far. Devan Mack as Sonic especially.
I think the main problem for me is that apparently Sonic Prime is canon to the games and I just can't understand how that'd work. In a bubble, Sonic Prime is ok though.
The sonic franchise has become similar to the tmnt franchise in my opinion. The ninja turtles have their iterations, now sonic has his, my first exposure to sonic was through the Adventure games. Nowadays, im ok with people enjoying different versions of the character, sonic is 30 years old after all, at some point, like with all long running franchises, you have to switch things up a bit to keep things fresh
Idea: each year a slightly different version of Soni should be released as a game. Like one year it’s Adventure, another it’s akin to Prime, and then it’s the melodrama of Frontiers. I think that this could be a solution to fix the in-fighting because if someone doesn’t like that the Sonic game that year was too serious and gritty, they know they can just wait a year for the next.
I don’t like this iteration of Sonic. It’s too childish. The cartoon itself is targeted at smaller children. Adventure Era is the one I grew up with. I miss that Sonic.
I just don’t like how this show portrays sonic. Like seeing him get beat down every fight makes him just look like he isn’t as powerful as he use to be it’s like he doesn’t know what to do or he’s just getting weaker…I don’t know I think I’m just biased
I just wished it covered the Sonic Multiverse and featured cameos from past versions of sonic series but all the characters from past material take the form of the modern sonic style!. like imagine a spiderman no way home level sonic series and multiverse of madness proportions like have Prime Sonic meet Classic Sonic (Jaleel White) and his band of ragtag Freedom Fighters and they appear in a few episodes just to wrap up that series AKA (Sonic the hedgehog the animated series). or have Sonic finally help a variant of himself with the siblings find his mom to unite the family again (Sonic Underground) or a funny AOSTH (Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog) episode as well with scratch and grounder, and coconuts and a sonic sez segment just to break the 4th wall at the end of the episode just before he enters the shatter verse yet again or maybe a sonic boom episode with Roger returning to voice sonic from the boom universe with the boom cast as well. and sticks screaming comically after seeing two sonics lol. and as he is traveling through the different shatter verses he can encounter different threats and enemies like Ixis Naugus, Snively, The Super Sonic Search and Smash Squad, Sleet and Dingo, Boom Eggman, Team Hooligan and more formidable threats like Infinite and Mephiles. that was what I thought the series would've been since wild brain owns almost every sonic series under the sun and makes re releases of every series on DVD almost every few years. Imagine it also like Ultimate spiderman with appearances of serious characters like Blade appearing in an episode, Moon Knight, and even Deadpool and wolverine but with all the older sonic characters that early fans can recognize, and new fans will get to love, like, etc. Again, that's just my thoughts on what Sonic Prime could've been but I enjoy it still none the less. PS. where is my multiversal Trio Blaze, Silver, and Marine? or Cream the rabbit and Cheese the Chao?, Or the Freaking tank himself Omega I mean they already have Both Shadow and Rouge whom are team dark members all they need is Omega. also PS. Having these sonics be like a mentor to the Prime Sonic would be amazing! Each episode Sonic learns a valuable lesson from each variant of himself and he learns to make his own path much like my boy @SpeedSuperSonic is talking about here in this video.
The only think that's bad is Sonic's characterization. If they tell us that this takes place before 06 or Unleashed then I'll believe the characterization is pretty good.
To be honest this character doesn’t and NEVER has gotten a clear identity. Wether it’s the art-style, designs, game mechanics, characterization, even voice. (I’m only scratching the surface) There are so many different identities for this hedgehog and his friends. The Classic games, AOSTH, SATAM, Archie, Fleetway, CD movie or series, (Whatever you think it is) The Manga series, Underground, Adventure games, X, Unleashed, Colors, Boom, IDW, The Movies, and Prime. I’m pretty sure that’s FAR from everything. All of that proves from the beginning Sonic’s never had a REAL identity. You see ALL these different properties and you’d think they’re from COMPLETELY different franchises. Mainly the multimedia stuff, but the games couldn’t figure out what kind of story tone, backgrounds, and level designs they wanted to keep. AND STICK TO THEM. But that’s what I love about this franchise. It’s always trying new things. Even if it doesn’t work, we can always go back to the old stuff or look forward to try the next new thing. You can still critique things and have your own opinions. We all have a version of these characters we can love and appreciate. 💙
I don’t ever hate Sonic Prime at all! I really enjoy it so much! I don’t know why some people hate it?! It makes me very sad! Also, Sonic has always been my childhood since I was a kid. I’ll always love Sonic no matter what mistakes he makes and he’ll always willing to make things right. I’ve been a Sonic fan for 9 years and there’s no way I’m gonna stop being a Sonic fan. He’ll always be my most favorite Sega character forever and I’ll never ever hate him at all. I’ll always love Sonic no matter what and I’m really looking forward to new Sonic games, movies, tv shows, everything! So yeah that’s all I have to say to y’all
Sonic has always been an inspirational type character. The Japanese Box Art for Sonic, 2, CD, and 3&K all have some inspirational quote attached to them. Even CDs JP op and Ed lyrics have that effect. I don't think there was ever a major change until we got to the series being handled more by American writers. The biggest change before that was the downplaying of his attitude which would come and go depending on the game. If anything he's closest to a character like the anime version of Lupin the Third. He's a thrill seeking free spirit, he has plenty of flaws but he embraces them and while he probably won't change much he has an big impact on everyone he meets.
I like sonic prime a lot but at 36 years old and an og fan, I would like to see a mature adult only series, just for us adult fans. It doesn’t have to be crazy graphic or anything, but just something that’s not aimed at ‘all ages’. Just for once. It would be interesting to see. Sonic prime is good though.
Sonic prime is amazing! And I can’t wait to see the next season! It’s important to remember that Sonic is, at the end of the day, a franchise aimed at kids and I think it’s crazy how people can get so upset about the way Sonic is portrayed. I see it all the time and it bothers me because it really isn’t that big of a deal. Yes, Sonic is for everyone and everyone can enjoy it. I love it! Anyway, enough of my rant. Great video! I think this explains the situation Sonic is in these days pretty well! Thanks!
Yey, or people that loves to complian that prime isn't that sonic like cough cough channel pup who even said as a joke no joke sonic trash meaning that now pup concerned sonic prime to be bad just because sonic prime chose to give sonic a arc and show that sonic has flaws like everyone else and make him different that as not been shown or even seen in other sonics shows and even x beside sonic stam that did a good job more with sonic than x sonic and also made a vidoe complaining about s2 and even not understanding the sonic and dread thing which is also arlo levels of stupidity which proves more that pup really needs to stop thinking that every media has to have sonic be this perfect hero even if sonic x is an example of how not to do that
And even a few mouths ago there was a poll and obvious people still want a 2d show but in the comments are worse like saying that sonic prime is like a PBS show and I can tell that these people never watch the show and plus do people forget that animation takes a long time like if they do a show similar to shorts how long would the animation process be and also how much would it exhaust workers from the shorts so inclusion people really need to understand that daminding a sonic show simpler to the shorts isn't going to pay out because one we don't know how long these shorts are and I knows there's animators but how much budget they would need to ha to make a show like do people not understand that 2d short like sonic can possibly take a long time or even years
And I know the animation of these shorts are awesome but guess what we dont know how long these shorts take to produce or what will happend if they decide to make a show simler to the shorts but it takes alot longer becuase how long the animation is it's like people don't get it
And yes prime isn't perfect but all the whinging and complains which all started thanks to channel pup needs to end and sorry for a long rant I needed to get this out of my chess for sometime now
@ohosmandivine6770 he now thinks it's bad just because sonic different protryale and tone even if sonic is a kids franchise like mario for example and with sonic charcter in the show its so refreshing that sonic is the main focus and just because prime sonic is a flaw charcter doesn't make it bad and I know the show isn't perfect like nothing perfect but channel pup saying oh I'm getting old just because sonic prime isn't like 2000s sonic or even frontiers sonic
If sonic was not supposed to be mature they shouldve never gave us sonic x ESPECIALLY Dark Sonic in the metarex ark where some died as well I'm not asking for Sonic to go around killing people but the threats they deal with are literally world ending but nobody ever gets hurt is just unrealistic Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 people actually died and eggmans grandfather was executed how is sonic not supposed to be mature again???😂😂😂
Sonic Prime is really good and have a lot of source material from the games. He is in a character ark and is a journey of self-discovery and redemption. I do think they should add more characters like Silver, Blaze, and the Chaotix but other than that I really like the direction of the show. I think everyone that hates on the show does not understand that his childish attitude and mistakes is intentionally part of the show so that he transforms into a better version of himself. As much as I hate to say it I would not be surprised if Sonic Prime is cancelled after season 3 because literally all the past Sonic shows have been cancelled sooner than they should of but regardless I love Sonic Prime and it is a really fun Sonic TV show.
A:"the reason this show has been doing so well is because they cut the fat! Why would you intentionally ruin it? B:"just like Ultimate Spider Man(cartoon), the title actually means something here!
"It hasnt gotten dark and gritty before" Homie...did you not read Archie Comics? Or watched some of the 90s animated shows? Hell the classic games, you are literally....on a space station...called....the Death Egg. Yes hes blue rodent who eats chilly dogs but he also fights a Ego manic whose hell bent on bending nature to his mechanical whim. Sonic Adventure almost made us believe SONIC DIED. Then you have Shadows sacrifice. Like cmon now. We dont want dark and gritty necessarily, but we dont want "oh its for kids so make it all bright colorful and silly" No. give us GOOD STORY TELLING.
I like mature Sonic little bit more, that is why I like very much Sonic Frontiers game and his voice by Roger Craig Smith is my most favorite of all. But I understand that in new shows they want to start his development fro begining.
My favourite interpretation of Sonic is from Sonic Boom. The dialogue and humor is what got me back into the Franchise. I’m just disappointed there wasn’t a Season 3 to end it on a high note before going into Sonic Prime. Sonic Prime is okay, but not my favourite interpretation. This is Spider-Man all over again, some like Tobey Maguire, others like Andrew Garfield, and some like Tom Holland’s interpretation. If anything Sonic should do a “Turtles in Time” thing and try to mix in all these interpretations and see where it goes.
I personally think that sonic primes episodes were a little too fast (no pun intended) I just wanted it to feel something like breaking Bad you know with more of the in the middle pace of it
My only problem with it is the soundtrack for the most part. It’s fairly disappointing in comparison to other sonic projects. I don’t think that’s only a problem in prime though. I think the movies need to step up their soundtracks too. It’s not that the soundtracks are bad, they just don’t pop out like most Sonic soundtracks do
i get you on the movies. i thought sonic 2 was fantastic but the generic movie ost kinda bummed me out, especially when the games have so many bangers.
I love the series, but they way Sonic is being treated kinda makes me feel emotions that just make my heart rot like a tomato. I know the whole Shatterverse thing is on Sonic, but I just want a show where Sonic isn't the punching bag of all people. The Villagers disrespected him and his friends in Sonic Boom, making this look like a scenario that Uncle Ruckus would have a field day in. And then we have Prime, but this time it was for good reason, but still, can't this man catch a break and just have... fun? Somebody oughta give Sonic a cookie and some therapy after Prime because he's been a punching bag in reality when it came to the fanbase and now he's the punching bag in his own world or in this case, other worlds. Bro kinda deserves better, despite things being his fault 😞😞💀💀
@@andreasmeelie1889 Yeah... as much as I care about the fanbase wanting different content from Sonic, I'm getting tired of having to join in on such heavy stories of Sonic. I don't want to see him put in these situations that might damage him emotionally and mentally, I just wanna have fun and see Sonic have fun too. Hopefully Season 3 will be good and have a good ending, and since its TV-Y7, it should. I'm just tired of seeing Sonic bullied all the time (I might be exaggerating, forgive me lol) I kinda need a hug after seeing what my boi has been through
I really love that rouge was included in the series but I miss her original established character. I wish she was a bit more sarcastic, sneaky and on her own agenda. Her depiction in SA2 and Sonic X and sonic hero’s are all versions really loved for a female character in the franchise.
It's kinda mid. Episodes drag on way too long for no reason, and despite it being another "fate of the multiverse" story, they don't really explore its full potential...
I'm sorry to say that I'm among the people who didn't like Sonic Prime. Maybe it's because I've always preferred the lighter, comedy-based Sonic cartoons like Adventures and Boom over the darker, action-based ones like SatAM, Underground, X, and Prime. I was mostly mixed on the first season because I liked the concept of Sonic travelling to different dimensions and meeting different versions of his friends but wasn't a fan of its dramatic tone. however, I felt the show's second season was worse than its first. Instead of seeing Sonic travel to more new dimensions and meeting more different versions of his friends, we just got more of the same. Not to mention, Prime's incarnation of Sonic is clumsier and more prone to making mistakes he's unable to fix, a huge step down from his portrayal in previous Sonic media. (It also doesn't help that his friends constantly berate him for this.) I also dislike how each season finale ends on a cliffhanger. To my knowledge, every Sonic cartoon has ended on an unresolved cliffhanger instead of a proper resolution due to circumstances beyond their control. Even Sonic cartoons that got renewed for a second season, such as SatAM and Boom, teased third seasons that never came to be. I want to be optimistic about Prime being the first Sonic cartoon to break the chain, but I feel it's just going to be yet another victim of the Sonic cartoons' curse. You'd think by now, the writers behind the Sonic cartoons would know not to end their season finales on cliffhangers.
About the whole the cliffhanger thing, if you didn’t know sonic prime doesn’t actually have 3 seasons, it’s just 1 season marketed to be multiple. I mean ever noticed why the time span between season 1 and 2 was only a couple of months. So instead of it being season 1, 2, and 3, it’s season 1a, b, and c. So they couldn’t actually cancel it midway series since the episodes are already done. But most likely season 3 won’t end on a cliffhanger because it’s the final season. Also netflix said that they’re gonna reveal a trailer for sonic prime season 3 on September 27th so you have nothing to worry about.
And about you not liking the whole dramatic tone, that’s most likely not a problem with the show, but more like that the direction the show is going for is just not for you.
honestly i like it a lot, i find the diversity of the sonic franchise and the way sonic can be melded and molded into something new, good and bad, very fascinating. from an animating perspective, there's genuinely so much to enjoy about sonic prime. the tone of it being goofy and high energy and all that compliments the art style and vice versa, the squash and stretch and just overall heavy use of cartoonist techniques is just always something im in love with, i love when animators are allowed to take advantage of their craft and have fun with it. idk that's my take and why i love it. the designs of the multiversal characters are pretty good too
I don't really like the idea of Sonic being a teenager as a permanent part of his character. His growth from teen to 20s is shown in the Adventure games to '06, to Unleashed, to Black Knight, and to Sonic Frontiers. I really like the more mature, laid back Sonic of Unleashed and it puts me off that a show that's supposed to take place after Sonic Frontiers has a Sonic that's back at his teenage stage, a regression of his character. That's same reason I don't like the Colors to Forces Sonic. Sonic doesn't really go through major character development, not in the main incarnation at least. He's always been a way for characters around him to grow, which is why Sonic is cool.
I dont hate the show, I loved season 1 and season 2 was meh but the thing that irritates me is it being canon, that kinda throws the whole show off for me
Im fine with Prime even with the glaring flaws, but im still waiting for that true Sonic show that best capture Game Sonic characterization along with clean animation that best fixs showcases Sonic n gangs coolness n wacky nature
My problem with this show is how Sonic is portrayed, acts and how the other characters view him. They act as if Sonic is the cause of things when something goes wrong. THATS NOT SONIC. They act like hes annoying. Sonic can and has made situations THAT HE NEVER CAUSED worse because of his at times over confidence. Sonic gets into little spats with characters like Knuckles and Shadow but it WORKS for them because they are forces to be reckoned with that perfectly clash with Sonics force and personality. He's quick, witty, snarky, chill and at the same friendly kind of cool that creates great moments with Knuckles and Shadows more stoic attitude. And im trying to figure out where youthful/teenager = annoying, clumsy, and out right trouble maker. Cause last i checked, THEY ALL are teens and most of them seem way more mature than Sonic. Freaking knuckles who lets himself get tricked by Eggman even acts like Sonic is annoying and a trouble maker!!!!!! On top of that..this guys is CLUMSY in the show. Always getting hit when he shouldnt or tripping, in some Looney Tune manner. On top of that....the guy is moopy in the show. His tendrils will droop when he's said and will be so damn dramatic. This is not to say Sonic doesnt make mistakes or doesnt have flaws. Hes a bit short tempered, competitive, at times cocky, impatient or stubborn. But he most definitely stops and listens to his friends, even when things are bad he has this inspirational confidence. Look no further than recent stuff like Frontiers or the IDW Comics. Hell, Sonic X gave us a time when Sonic was beyond angry he became an unrecognizable black Hedgehog. THAT shouldve been explored. No quips, no cool demeanor, just anger and rage. And tell me....what part of the older Games says Sonics character....would have him mess around with nunchucks and smack himself with it -_________- . Sonic doesnt even mature in Prime. Hes been the same. His interactions as Shadow shows as much.
It's an okay show. There were a lot of potential the show could have been, but it couldn't deliver. It was lacking to say the least, but overall a generally okay show as it's own, separate from the franchise. The issue is that it's supposed to be part of game canon and not a different iteration like Boom and Movie. If Prime was treated as such then there wouldn't be so much discourse about it. What the show is giving us it's almost like disregarding already pre-existing lore and characterization of the franchise. That being said it's great that Sonic's getting into other medias again, maybe they'll make a good show that truly shows respect to the source material and be able to portray the true essence of Sonic in the future, but that remains to be seen.
The only problem I have with the show is, it feels a little squeezed and overrushed for me. If every season would have 12 episodes not only the entire show but also every dimension could have breath more because alternative dimensions/universes are always interesting.
@justtheyuk1 This should be canon?? Right, I always thought, this in an alternative universe. But let´s make all happy and say that Boom and Underground is canon as well. By Underground, I really like Manic and Sleet, but it doesn´t mean, that the show is good at all.
@justtheyuk1 Yeah of course. I know most of them. But Characters like the Babylon Rouges are members of the Sinic Riders series (the first two games are great). But this is a spin-off series. And I´ve never heard that a spin-off is automstically canon. This is the same with Prime. It´s spin-off / alternative for me.
I really like Sonic Prime, I get the Criticism but I don’t hate it, maybe the Series is for Fan that grew up with the Franchise or maybe it’s just telling a Simple Story with Complex Tones, but I will support this Series until the End of it’s Time perhaps being the 3rd Season and I’m going to enjoy everything Sonic as Possible no matter how different it is.
Thank you for making this video. The backlash to Prime is pretty silly and claim “this isn’t Sonic” is absolutely ridiculous since Sonic the character and series has been many things, and I personally enjoy different takes on Sonic’s character and Prime has been a very fun interpretation of his character. This is coming from a long time fan of the series for decades.
Every corner of the franchise gets some love from those old amvs(first bosscage episode's title"UNwelcome to the jungle),underground(thorn's look),comics(just like fleetway Sonic lives in Green Hills)!
Bruh, some sonic fans could not be DMC fans. There’s nothing wrong with a character that doesn’t have to grow or has very short growth I should say. “Oh this character relates to me, cus he’s a fuckup, therefore I can identify with him” is just kind of lazy imo. You don’t need to relate to a character to have fun with them. No one relates to Batman, almost absolutely no one, but people love that character whether he’s flawed or not, No matter the interpretation, all they care about is “is Batman cool in this story” Same thing with Sonic, he can have a character arc, but at the end of the day if he comes across as lame and annoying then it’s not working….. But my main issue with this show is them claiming the story is cannon when this takes place clearly after Adventure 2 at LEAST and Sonic has never acted like this before, And he’s learned this lesson of being impulsive in Sonic Lost World so like I don’t even understand why he’s like this right now I don’t care if Sonic has a dark tone, I don’t care if he has a comedic tone, I just want him to feel like Sonic again. The movies do their own thing and I can get behind that after the second one, But this show nor Frontiers seems to actually understand why Sonic works and it feels like even this fanbase is losing the plot on Sonic’s character as years go by
Modern Sonic is a major part of why Sonic 4 failed. He doesn't fit. They had to kneecap a lot of things to even try. No meaningful advancement happened. And the music....oh god. It just wasn't right. Sega accepting that and splitting Sonic to have it both ways was the best thing they did. The people demanding or claiming there should be only one are completely out of touch with all of this.
Prime Sonic is super stupid, but at least no maliciously stupid like Pontaff and Boom Sonic. No way is he the same character as the one from Frontiers.
I respect you as a content creator and I watch some of your videos but I must say that there are some issues in the arguments you use to justify your opinion: 1. First of all (I dont want to sound weird with the things im going to say in this point) you said that Sonic was always a "Kids" franchise, and let me tell you, there are some sub-issues with that statement too. a) Sonic was made literally with the marketing idea of "Mario is for little Kids, but Sonic is for the real Deal". Even if obviously Sonic has a masive appeal with the Kids, the real target was always the teenagers. Thats why Sonic use to focus in the stories and the "edge" part of the character. Sonic is was never intended to be the bland blob it is now, he was always a character before he was a mascot. b) Then, if you think that Sonic is for Kids, how do you explain Sonic x, a series that has of course its goofy moments and all, but also has some dark plotpoints in its original material (metarex saga) like the death of some important and some background characters in very tragic ways. In this period of time a lot of people dont demand more quality for the Kids content, and thats a completely mistaken idea. I was grown in the 2000s and I have seen a lot of good shows in that period from a lot of content, so thats why i'm demanding the same or even more quality. If a kid grows up with terrible shows, he would not know any better (even considering how the entretainment is nowdays). 2. Secondly, you said you would prefer Sonic as a character to grow up, but thats completely anti Sonic and even anti Brand. I will explain the previous statement in two points too. a) in a writting perspective, Sonic has a flat character arc, wich means that his peak character performance will always be when he inspires change in other characters. Sonic needs to be always cool and always the same because if he doesnt he would lose his entire point as a character. b) in a branding perspective, a longrunner should always (or at least the most time) be the same because of the Brand recognition, and with Sonic thats fine because it complements his strenghts as a catalist for change. 3. You said Sonic prime, despite of its tone has some deep themes, but I dont know where they are if i'm being honest. None of all the respective dimensions has any particular deep theme or subtility in the way to convey a message. -New yoke was just a bland distopian city, with characters no more interesting than the character variants of the storybook series. -Forest Cage (or something like that, I apologise if the name was wrong) was more of the same issues that new yoke has, but also a generic and too long arc about enviromentalism (that honestly feels like filler). -the pirate world has also the same issues (thats all). -The shatterverse was a pretty neet concept, but the execution fails in acomplish such a cool premise. All of the dimensions were bland and genering templates without any flavour. -The villians are too one note to be taken seriously or even to be funny. The series lack in real substance because of that. If somebody reads this, thanks for that, and I apologise if I have some gramatical issues, its my keyboard (because my native languaje is spanish and its set in that languaje). I hope that the person reading this can extract something of value.
Hello! I respect your opinion greatly, and even though I love Prime Sonic, I have my gripes with how he’s written at times too. However I have my own pin points. Your opinion is valid weather you change your mind or not. First of all, we all have to remember when we started becoming a fan of this franchise. (For the most part) This franchise has never went full on adult besides “Shadow The Hedgehog.” To me personally, it’s kind of how Looney Tunes appeals to adults but it’s main audience is still for kids. Especially nowadays. Because what was allowed in the past is different from what is allowed now. (Especially if they never had an adult cartoon within the franchise and mostly have appealing to kid stuff) Sonic X was created in the East and what you can get away with in the East may differ from what you can get away with in the West. 4kids did censor a lot of stuff after all. Also it was made in the early 2000s. Again a time where a lot more things were acceptable. Like people who liked Sonic 06 were probably considered crazy. You would be harshly judged for liking it back then. Now, times Sonic’s messed up in the games. Riders: Sonic literally lunched Amy along with Eggman into the air with his wind abilities. While knowing she would be affected by it. Then left. Which was the reason Amy got so angry and aggressive afterwards. He didn’t ever apologize either. Amy: “How could you dive into Eggman knowing I was there?!” 06: Exchanged a chaos emerald for Elise even after Tails warned Sonic not to. Tails: “I don’t think Eggman will honor his agreement.” Unleashed: Got distracted by taunting Eggy. Sonic: “Well, this is new. Showing remorse Eggman? If you played nice, I wouldn’t have to break all your toys.” Then became the Werehog. All because he showed sympathy. Or boosted his ego. You decide. Secret Rings: Shahra used Sonic to collect the world rings for Erazar Djinn. Even though it should’ve been expected because she said, “They use to work together.” Ended up not being true. Black Night: Was tricked into helping Merlina who wanted to create a world that would last forever. Lost World: Tails once again tried to warn Mr.Impatient about the conch in Eggman’s hand, but kicked it anyways. Then warned Sonic about another trap, he didn’t listen, ended up getting the fox captured instead. Frontiers: Accidentally helped free “The End,” despite Knuckles and Sage’s suspensions. If his friends, Eggy, and Sage didn’t help him…..Well, it’s in the villain's name. To me, the only reason Sonic didn’t learn from these mistakes is because they weren’t the main focus. Just because he didn’t learn from these mistakes doesn’t mean he isn’t flawed. Sonic can sometimes be reckless. Not listen to his friends warnings. He’s always been impatient. Sonic sometimes has too much trust in others. I could go on. If you still disagree I’m fine with that. We all love this character and I think that’s important to remember. 👍
@@essycogany2738 hello, thanks for sharing your points, I apreciate that. I still have some points about that: First of all, I agree in the points about the censorship (and the 4kids dub) but even so there were some heavy and even more darker stories in the mainline Sonic games like the Sonic adventure series or Sonic battle (etc). Even Shadow the hedgehog that was a tonal mess and wasnt as dark as his tone has some serious stuff going on. The series was never for adult of course, but neither for the most young Kids. The series was created as an antithesis to the other lighthearted series of the competence because of the 90s edge fever. Secondly, talking about western sensibilities I dont think that the bad tone of the Sonic series is a inherently Sonic issue, in fact most of the western production nowdays are terrible or painfully average to the point that even the minimum edge shown in camera is trashtalked by the twitter mobs, but at the same time other productions like "adult series" are being watched by kids without censorship (western common L). But in fact, a really good story can be enjoyed by all demographics without alienating the other parts of the fanbase, and thats why I think personally that Sonic prime fails in which other series about Sonic succed. Finally, I understand your point about Sonic flaws as a character when he rushes into conclussions or actions, but that flaws in particular werent writting flaws but just plot devices. For a good character a story need to make him flawled, because if is not then the narrative would be messy or boring. These rush moments of Sonic also werent all of his character traits but just a complement. The problem of prime is not inherently that part of his character but the flanderization of Sonic in the narrative of prime and other media like the movies. Sonic is officialy described and portraited as a free spirit, adventurer and fast paced hedgehog, but also a guy who can take issues seriously when its needed (they exagerated that other trait in frontiers making Sonic a boring and melodramatic generic hero). Its the combination of all of his traits what completes him. Thanks again for answer my comment, I will be more than happy to continue the conversación if its needed.
@@kendraroth1276 hi, thanks for sharing your points. Yeah, in that first statement I agree too, but with the mainline series I will not put an age rate because of the tonal disconection between some modern Sonic games like for example Sonic heroes and Shadow the hedgehog. But in a general sense I would say that the mainline series tries appeal to a 5-20 demographic but the actual public and fanbase is around 5-30 or even more. Thanks again for answer.
@@benjaminaleman4003Oh, okay. Sure thing. I don’t have a solution to how you feel about the tone of the show or the show in general because you seem to not like it and I LOVE it. Why do I love it? I can tolerate a lot of things. 😂 I know this shows world building sucks and the stories not all that great, but I like the animation, voice acting, music, and sound design. All those little things do kind of dal the show up but I still appreciate it. I won’t continue this civil conversation because I can’t change your mind about the show. You may see it as bad, bland,and boring, but people who love this show don’t. I believe we should all juts be respectful and agree to disagree when we can’t find mutual ground. But I’m glad we were able to talk civilly regardless. Just remember people have their own perspectives and views. I believe that’s really important. Because at the end of it all, we love this silly cartoon rat in our own ways. 💙
@@benjaminaleman4003Last thing, it’s hard to keep a character one way when he’s always been all over the place. He hasn’t had a clear identity from SATAM to Prime as far as shows goes. The games from Adventure-Frontiers isn’t that far off either because you can STILL tell the difference in writing styles. Again, we have our own version of this character to love and I think that’s something worth celebrating. That’s it. Thanks for the respectful feedback. 💙
As someone not a major sonic fan, Prime as a show is badly paced. I stopped at the pirate episode. I think it’s reinterpretations of the cast is kinda shallow, the most interesting thing it has is a more cynical tails. It’s annoying seeing how slow sonic is as a character grasping the idea of alternate realities and having to get a reset on him re-meeting a cast of characters. Action scenes kinda lack weight and drag on too long. The jungle one had a pretty childish backstory for its central conflict. If you consider this the “best characterization” of sonic that’s fine and all, but I do not think that has as much value as you want it to have. You haven’t mentioned the episodes or plot or other production aspects at all, just a “this fits with my headcanon of how sonic should act”… that’s only one aspect of a show, and here it really sounds like it’s coated in preconceived bias to me.
every sonic game with the best character is him reacting to the world lol u dont need to have a flawed protagonist to have an enjoyable story, every single sonic game with an enjoyable story is him reacting to other characters and helping them with their character development rather than his own. shadow in sa2 is the first example and theres lots more idw sonic is the same thing and reflects even better on his character during moments where he thought he was making the right choice and other characters question him for it long term. this does not devalue his character but clearly shows what he is supposed to be, representing freedom for himself and for others even if people take advantage of it at times. sonic prime sonic is just annoying and incompetent for no reason in comparison to every single other sonic that has ever been conceived.
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I love the seasons of sonic prime no matter what people say because I'm a true sonic fan!
What song was at the end of the video?
You should make a video about some of the things Iann Flynn said recently like how Sonic Prime is Canon and that the shadow changes in the Fast Friends Forever have a meaning and that we will find out in the near future
Well.. there's still another way of "reviving" Sonic Prime perhaps if they implemented new Characteristics maybe it's just the same whole "Story" yanoe? Eggman is always the same Enemy?? Idk just speculating we Sonic Fans need something FRESH for once Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing is the best racing game in the World imo love your videos Man!
There is no "staying" PG rated in this culture. If you let a franchise stay there it will get kiddified as Western culture more and more talks down to it's youth. Getting to as bad as college kids are not considered adults anymore, and they are offered shows written like My Adventures With Superman. Emotionally immature but STILL not suitable for children.
Not a single generation has yet come out good after losing movies like 1993 Leprechaun, and how it is shaping up isn't looking very good. The movers and shakers of the future don't seem to even come from the western world, they're raised a bit tougher than to strike for SAG-AFTRA all the time. And that's why they actually CREATE the material where hollywood directors may insert their leadership. It seems a bit unbalanced in the power and privilege side.
I think Sonic’s original inception was to be a force of nature or the living embodiment of freedom rather than a normal character with flaws. He’s more of an ideal
Sonic the idea vs sonic the man
You hit it on the nail
Oh in case you didn't know, Sonic from Satam will be continuing the series as SEGA has approved it, they've already started animating. So if you're interested it's called team sea3on. They're going to bring Knuckles into the lore as well as a few others. Saw shadow in their artwork so I think he'll be in the lore at some point as well as Fang the Sniper. The depth of the story is also amazing, so feel free to check it out.
@@imagery5425 perchance
EXACTLY, which is why I don't really care for Prime (except for the fight scenes and a few Shadow scenes)
Sonic Prime definitely isn't "so hated", not by a longshot. I personally absolutely enjoy it, especially season 2. Season 2 is really damn good, and the last episode of season 2 with the reveal is absolutely fantastic. While I did predict it, it was still shocking, and I LOVE seeing how crushed Sonic was. It gave the world and characters real stakes, and I really like that about it! :D
@HarlanLease-wp2dp Well, after Season 3's horrendous ending, I can now understand some of the hate. Hoho boy... 🤣
@@justalpha9138it is so hated
@@xnortheast1106 Well, maybe after the end of Season 3, yeah. 😆
@@xnortheast1106 I still enjoyed it overall, but WOW the ending of Season 3 was literal garbage in my book
Just because Sonic never necessarily caused the problems to solve in the games doesn’t mean he’s a perfect character. He still had flaws. But the point of his character isn’t to change as a person, but rather inspire change in those around him. I found that really admirable about him.
Unleashed in out of character cause other games he didn't do that
We need sonic x type of story..this isshit
"I found that really admirable about him." Relax, Sonic isn't real.
@@kendraroth1276yea long time no see they just casually see each other when a new game comes out 💀
@@Ilias24.Ah yes we need endless filler that doesn't contribute anything to the plot
That definitely the kind of Sonic story we need
I feel like they made Sonic down the road to completely be for all ages, maintain a universal fan base, for all ages.
Yes, also i think the sonic community just want a adult only sonic show or something
Sonic is for everyone, for kids too
I enjoy sonic
@@kazuna_Endi that would be the case if sonic satam cartoon had dark tone and and sonic always had dark tones even when i was kid i noticed this so no sonic prime shouldn't be this childish
I think the series kinda lost it's edge until frontiers, it definitely felt more geared towards kids than all ages.
So then they should live up to it as they said before it's release that it would be for all ages. They completely copped out when people disapproved.
@@willa.5393 Sonic Fans all have shared the same journey for a long time it was becoming evident that Sega was trying to committ to all ages not only for the younger population. They all new that the once that child fan will grow up so they start developing games with more mature content. Not only that but for the older population who are new to Sonic as well.
"Sonic is not going to grow with you"
He has. Frontiers is his most mature iteration yet. Even for Amy, Tails, and Knuckles. They got rid of their ages for a reason.
Edit: The mainline games should stick to the more mature shonen style as well as using redesigns and animation changes that'll match the tone and environment, like the Divergence Prologue for Frontiers.
His most mature is his Archie incarnation where he’s allowed to have kids.
@@McKnighty
I meant canon
@@magical_pixie_horse7346 Archie Sonic is set in the multiverse. It’s canon.
@@McKnighty
Canon to the mainline games
@@magical_pixie_horse7346 Everything is canon.
I think the hate towards Sonic’s characterization was more so because of lore consistency. Sonic fans wants the main series be consistent with what it is in previous titles and expand upon that, instead of change it unless it’s bad.
My headcanon for Sonic's personality shift from Forces to Frontiers is that Tails just simply told him, "You're not funny, you have to stop telling these terrible dad jokes or I'm going to be sick!"
That doesn't explain why he's a complete idiot
It can be hard to see, and I don’t hate the series and I understand it has its flaws but it’s everyone’s opinions! But I love the series and it’s own way.
I'm fine with Sonic Prime but I'm not fine with it being Canon it feels like an AU
That's exaclty how I feel about it.
Sorry my guy, but Sonic's character is one of the things making it harder to watch the show. He's just suuuuuuuuuuuuuuper *dumb* , it hurts!
I'm glad someone finally made this video. I've always loved sonic prime, but after season 2 dropped, it seemed everyone switched up and started hating on it, and I was just like what? Where has this come from? And nobody really had any good reasons to hate on it, it seems people are just hating to hate.
A similar argument could be said for people who love because they see a name, not an ideal. Sonic Prime had great graphics and actors but many of the main characters are underused and no matter how much they want people to accept that it's canon, if you play the games you'll realize it clearly isn't. I was hyped just like everyone else and I gave it another chance with season 2's release only to find a similar repetitiveness. Remember when Lucas sold the Starwars franchise to Disney? Fans were angry about that because Starwars was more than just a title, it was an ideal. Disney had given no forethought into authenticity and so they copied and pasted Lucas's original ideas into a cash grabbing mess and they were plummeting until the Mandalorian series saved the franchise. So yes, a lot of folk including myself are expressing our displeasure with Sonic Prime as we are allowed.
I'm a fully grown adult who has always been fairly indifferent about the Sonic franchise as a whole... and yet, the more I've dabbled in Sonic media in recent years, the more I find myself utterly enraptured by/with it, particularly where the movies, shows and comics are concerned. The games have always been very hit or miss for me, with Generations and Racing Transformed being the only ones to really grab me, but things like the live-action movies, the IDW comics and ESPECIALLY Sonic Prime have slowly but surely turned me into an adult Sonic fan. I can't even really explain what it is about the franchise that has caused it to suddenly strike a chord with me as hard as it has (other than the fact that I've always been kind of a sucker for anthropomorphic animal characters), but damn, it has really gotten under my skin in the last few years.... and I'm okay with that. (:
I believe it’s because it’s always changing. It’s never just one thing and that’s why in more recent years I became a fan as well.
Ever since the first movie.
I love this franchise because it’ll never be the same.
7:37 I didn't mind this interpretation of Sonic at first, it isn't the same as the Sonic we've seen in the games, but you could always assume that Prime is its own thing with its own take on Sonic's story. *However* since the director of Sonic Prime has stablished that this show is canon to the games, now this take on Sonic feels wrong and hard to put in any point of the game's canon without assuming this series is gonna do an 06 and remove itself from the canon so it technically happend but nobody remembers it or assuming it's part of another dimension that forms part of the Sonic multiverse, (both takes feeling like cheap ways to make Prime part of the main deal).
Prime has too many contradictions
So is IDW comics from a gamer perspective.
I think you’re confused why people say they want a more mature Sonic. I was very disappointed when you used examples of Man of Steel or Shadow the Hedgehog.
Look at the Adventure Era games and how they do their stories. Even Sonic 06.
We’ve had “shonen” level stories in the past and older fans prefer to that over Prime that’s DEFINITELY targeted at a younger kid audience. I have no idea where there’s anything mature besides maybe that one scene in the finale of this season.
Other than that, this show is incredibly light hearted and lacking elements that can draw in all ages as a whole.
I agree that Sonic Prime is a good show and an interesting interpretation of Sonic but I would argue Sonic Satam has a stronger storyline and characters that compliment it while also having a teenage Sonic like Prime but with more to his character like his street smarts, his uncle that he is trying to save, and keeping his cocky attitude.
I don't think in the early 2000's that Sonic was this perfect character because we still saw him misunderstanding situations and coming up short in certain areas but we see how Sonic has become more mature through his experiences in battle which shape him into the person he is in the games and the comics.
Amen to that brother, primes animations and voice actors are wonderful but all n all Satam just had a way of grasping it's audience, I wasn't alive when it first aired but Satam was clearly the more in depth tone. Speaking of which I'm with a group that is continuing the series and we've been given feedback as to how the story will unfold. It looks amazingly authentic.
@@willa.5393 That sounds great, I'll check it out.
th-cam.com/video/tzJBq-fPrF4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ddsyXx3yG_cwmdzZ Here's the link to the trailer. It turns out the original artists and writers from Satam all came back together and SEGA gave the ok for them to do this project. This is going to change the direction of the franchise on massive scale. We're also looking for patreons if anyone is interested in seeing these possibilities come to fruition.
I feel like Sonic X and Sonic Prime have a stronger storyline but I do agree with what you said about Sonic in the end there.
I think Shadow is the best part about Prime
Kinda disappointed that they teased a sonic shadow alliance for season 2 and they downplayed shadows roll. I was really hoping for more on that.
Prime is ok but i feel like every episode is the same. Story for a few minutes, fighting for a majority of the episode, then story for the last few minutes. Rinse and repeat
Sonic X is the superior sonic show
In my opinion I think Prime is okay at best. I do like some parts of it like the animation, voice acting and especially Shadows character. Aside from that its kinda eh, it does get repetitive sometimes and some of the words feel pretty empty. (If you like the show its perfectly fine).
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@@jamezplayzroblox8843I think they’re on a pretty reasonable opinion
@@choosbehguy no you idiot there just yapping like you LOL
"Not because they're better or worse, but because Sonic should not just be one thing." Thank you!!! Someone finally said it. Also, I really like Prime Sonic.
I think why liked the 2000’s Sonic so much is the same on why a character like Forest Gump or Goku is still compelling despite being static characters. They don’t change themselves necessarily but what they do change is the others around them. To show the character the lie they believe is wrong and show them the truth. Examples I think of with Sonic is getting Elise to open up more and seize the day, showing Chip the joys of life and that people can fight the darkness in your heart or telling Merlina how life can’t last forever and you just have to live that life to the fullest extent. To me 2000’s Sonic is an example of the ideal hero who is a shining beacon for the world to look to when all hope seems lost. (I still like Prime’s Sonic but that’s just my personal favorite version of Sonic)
I can't agree more.
It's the reason why I believe that Sonic X is arguably the best Sonic show ever made (Japanese or French dubs), to me it is. It has the most accurate character writing of each character compared to the mainline games. I really liked the humans here (except Chris, honestly). Sonic and Dr Eggman are my favourites.
@@silenttera666 I feel like chris ruined the show ngl
Sonic X, and Jason Griffith all the way.
Yea, you can have static characters and still make them compelling.
What made adventure era Sonic so good was that he gave off an experienced adventurer in contrast of other characters around him. I don’t need anymore jokey-immature main characters.
There’s like a thousand of them in kids shows.
True
I love Sonic Prime, a lot! Plus the concept of Sonic going through different worlds reminds me of the My Little Pony Season 5 Finale were Twilight and Spike went through different futures.
Yeah, I'm not sure what this guy is talking about. Fans love this show. It really is one of the best in my book.
In my opinion. I think Sonic Prime is really one of the best series going by far. Now I'm am 41 so I really do miss the 90's Sonic SatAm series alot because it became the pinnacle of my childhood and really the first thing I learned how to draw and still do today.
Agreed 👍 But I was never able to get into SatAm... It just wasn't that interesting to me.
Bruh sonic X (guess it’s just me)
@@anime_world6684 oh no I love Sonic X that was a great show too. I loved that theme song 👍👍👍
The only reason why Sonic Prime is my favorite series is because of the animation, is it serious that in 32 years of the franchise we haven't had a more serious and beautiful animation?
That’s why I mute while watching it, since it only has the animation going for it.
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@@whaleping The series itself is actually pretty good
@@whaleping aint no way
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I love this show for the animation and concept that it's laying down and how it distinguishes itself from other TV shows with a similar concept.
Sonic Prime is honestly a great series that I want to see more of and find some clues to the lore of the Sonic universe
It’s a fine show. People are just being obnoxious
You mean ambitious
Sonic Prime's biggest issue is missed opportunities.
But it's still a decent sonic show.
@@WJINTL yeah
@@WJINTLyeah
The 3 best sonic tv show.
I think most people hate sonic in this show because how sonic is acting more childish not because the show is childish and we're used to a more mature sonic.
12:21 It has been stated that Sonic Prime is, in fact, a canon part of the Game Sonic’s universe, or just the IDW comics. So this means that Game Sonic and Prime Sonic are, for better or worse, the same person.
Prime has too many contradictions to the games and even IDW
7:35 to 8:10 logan McPherson says it not part main timeline of sonic games so no sonic prime not same sonic from the games th-cam.com/video/4tyAgFvTU4s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=NvFQLglfgG7Y9ZKq
@@playerback7722Idw doesnt have as many contradictions as prime does, which could easily be fixed
My biggest issue with sonic prime is how overly simplified everything is.
The world they establish for sonic as the status quo is litterly just sonic and his friends living on green hill zone, and it leaves the far more insterest sonic world outside of green hill zone massively undeveloped.
Every other character is just "sonic's friends" and all they do is hang out with sonic and fight eggman, rouge isn't a goverment agent or knuckles isnt the gaurdian of the master emerald on angel island and shadow just HAS a chaos emeralds without any of the others being mentioned.
And the other shaterverses aren't much better with them having the most basic multiverse templates with only one or two notiable character from each universe, while everyone else is just backgroubd fodder like the jungle world characters that arnt amy or any of the priate crew memebers that arnt knuckles.
Sonic himself is extreamly imature and doesnt feel like a cool free spirited adventurer. he's just a basic boy scout who always praises his friends 24/7 and always wants to save the day and be the hero, rather him just doing what he personally wants to do and it happening to be a coincidence that he likes adventuring and helping others.
And the worst part is how the chaos conceal is just eggmans main personally traits split up into 5 one note bad guys who aren't interesting or funny.
Completely agreed
I find good and funny things in the show but I understand your opinion.😉
Exactly sonic prime sonic is not the sonic i like i love sonic from the games or sonic x anime
0:30 bro wym? sonic x is goated, especially for the season 3 ending, i still think about it.
Sonic X is greatest show they made this piece of cheap sorry excuse is barely better than boom😮
Do you believe that even if it has poor adaptations of the adventure games, plot holes, and only 1/3rd of the series actually being good? Oh, and 4Kids doing 4Kids stuff. I’m only saying this because most people who like Sonic X viewed it dub.
I agree with season 3 ending being great, heck I say most of season 3 is great! In my opinion, Sonic X is overrated.
bro the 4kids dub is mid as fuck (not cause the voices), subbed sonic x is a masterpiece, and personally i actually enjoyed the game adaptations, but if you think its overrated, then u do u. @@JustJack2005
@@JustJack2005your opinion is sh|t
I believe the whole point of his character is to inspire change in others. Like when he suggests that Metal Sonic should do his own thing and that he doesn't need to take orders from Eggman in the comics. Or how he gets Knuckles to change in the 2nd movie. Or how he eventually gets shadow to at least become an ally from time to time. Or how again, in the comics, Eggman asks Sonic when he will basically stop bothering him, and Sonic just says "Not until you get a clue and come around." Or in Unleashed: "If you played nice, I wouldn't have to break all of your toys." Can't say he got Eggman or Metal to change, but he at least tried to. (Oh yeah he got Sage to change too I guess). We get moments like this from almost every version of Sonic and as long as that characteristic is part of Sonic’s character then I won't hate a single version of him. His still has flaws outside of Sonic Prime though, he gets his friends in trouble during the Metal virus and he admits to doing something stupid in Lost World, he has made and still makes plenty of mistakes.
I think sonic is for all ages
Kishimoto himself said that sonic frontiers' story was for adolescents
If someone doesn't like sonic prime then there is other sonic media that they can find and enjoy
I think the main problem isn’t it’s tone I think in my opinion is the fact that this is somehow cannon to the games which makes me not like Sonic in this because he’s just too different if it was a show from a separate universe then I wouldn’t mind and if that is the case why say it’s cannon in the first place it’s not like Sega or sonic team is gonna make a game or tv show with two Modern sonics another thing I think is the problem is the main villains the Chaos Conucil mainly because they aren’t a threat and I find it hard to believe they took over the world
Yes my main issue with Sonic Prime is it being somehow canon and the Chaos Council is just too stupid looking to be a threat (one of them is A BABY).
My problem with Prime is not Sonic’s character, but the absence of other characters. None of the Shatter verse cast is as interesting as the legacy cast for me.
I feel like "OG" stuff is whats hurting franchises. I know that the old days were amazing and were probably better than most of what we have today, but we have kids who grew up on those things who are now adults who still want a franchise to cater to their nostalgia like it did when they were younger, and this aint nobody's fault, this is just the unfortunate result of time. It exists. Catering to one thing forever is not a thing, especially with an ever changing audience. To cater to then's kids would be to ignore another audience who may not like the "complexity" or some other element of your show. To cater to now's kids would be to ignore the OTHER audience who don't like things because they feel like the old things were simply better due to subjective nostalgia. There will never ever be a day where the entire world is happy about something, and it will constantly tear franchises apart.
Very well put, that's why I'm glad to see that there is something for everyone in the Sonic franchise. While I do appreciate people's passion, some or a lot of them, (dunno, didn't count.) complain too much about it.
It’s important to address that Sonic Prime was said to be a more mature Sonic show when that’s the opposite of what we got.
I dunno. I found Prime's story to be plenty dark. His conflict with Nine, the fact that the disaster was caused by Sonic and the possibility that there may never be a chance to get his reality back without sacrifices seem pretty heavy to me.
It is mature because it frames Sonic with how his behavior would come clashing with reality, and that's the difficult thing to accept if you're immature.
It's a childish fantasy that Sonic can just stroll along and be Kenough all the time, where universe just bends over backwards to HAVE everything fall in place for you as you yank a Chaos emmerdood out your butt.
Sonic has been like Snake Plissken all this time, just in that sweet spot where you're unironically blind to it, and he can flip to "Baldy McNosehair!" mode with a slight alteration of WHO the writers are trying to convince.
i wonder if this more mature sonic show was supposed to go hand-in-hand with the original idea of it being 2D/an anime?
@@mephilesfani heard prime was originally going to be 2d
I think the issue with Prime Sonic is that if it's true, that this series does have any sort of connection to the games. Then the change in Sonic's character would be a regression to most of the experiences he's had this far depending if and when this takes place.
If however this Sonic is his 'own' Sonic as in the cases of shows in the past then him starting out and goofing up as much is mostly fine I'd say.
I love sonic prime, the animation, the voices, the fight scenes, sound effects and music is amazing. In the older games I always feel like his the character designs mixed in with realism backgrounds and humans always felt strange so I love the cartoonish look, everything in the show just feels right
Because sonic isnt sonic!
I’m kinda one of those weirdos that got really into Sonic at age 13 (I was having family/personal problems around the time). I liked him as a kid, but I didn’t really play the games that much.
I think you’re generalization of teenagers is pretty one note and shallow, not all teenagers are immature tornadoes of uncontrollable hormones, some of them are actually pretty mature for their age and while they still have a lot to learn they, for the most part have pretty good heads on their shoulders.
Also the problem people have with Prime is not that they’re trying to make him a dynamic character it’s that they’re trying to make him a dynamic and shove him into a setting where he should’ve had many adventures beforehand and then give him flaws that don’t make sense in retrospect because this would mean he was like this during Adventure 1 and 2, it just doesn’t work and comes off as inconsistent. That maturity you talked about did exist in the early to late 2000’s games. Why did Sonic feel more like an adult and not like a teenager? Probably because he already did the growing and maturing that you were talking about.
Yes Sonic did start off as a franchise for kids but slowly it tried to grow with its audience in the early 2000’s and even before then, why do you think they shifted the tone of Frontiers like they did? You said it yourself, people hated the meta era Sonic plus we already have a Sonic media that’s doing exactly what you said can’t happen, the IDW comics are full of stories that deconstruct the franchise from Sonic’s ideology to how the constant fights between Sonic and Eggman affect others around them. A franchise as old as this should try to grow with its audience like Digimon or Final Fantasy did, because at the end of the day that’s who comprises most of their audience, this is one of the main reasons why the Pokémon franchise is always in the hot seat due to how it constantly alienates it’s audience and dumbs down the games. Saying Sonic can’t grow with its audience is a very untrue statement.
Lastly about him being the one to start the trouble instead of Eggman, all that would do is make him a liability, it’s precisely for that reason that many people despise DBS Goku and love DBZ or DBGT Goku more, if your hero is the one causing the issues that makes them no better than the villain, not to say he can’t mess up every now and then like in Unleashed or X, but he shouldn’t be the trigger for problems.
Very well extremely said! Thank you! EEP!🤩
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Sonic Prime is something I'm rather indifferent with. It's got strengths and weaknesses like any product does. Sure there's an appeal to it and trust me I see some of it myself, but Sonic in the show to me isn't my kind of Sonic I want and grew up with. I'm someone who was grew up with Unleashed Sonic back in 2008 as my first played Sonic game as a late kid. I like how he has a flaw and has to correct the error of his way in Prime, but some of his actions are too childish for my personal taking. Let's take a look back at another show, Sonic X, a show that I personally think got his personality down, at least for the most part. He's cocky, brass, reckless, a bit jokey and childish, and does cause problems for some people around him, but he does go out of his way to fix it. Sure, the human characters can sometimes take away the importance of the story, but it at least helps builds it's world building whether we like it or not.
Getting back on topic, it's not to say Prime Sonic isn't any of that, but I think it's the portrayal from the writers that's not really hitting it home for me, personally speaking as someone in the mid 20s.
I like this show in its own little world as soon as they made it canon I started comparing it to the normal Sonic and for me anyway it didn't make sense to have Sonic regress like this
I can think of lots of times where Sonic as Jason Griffith made mistakes and learned from them but I do have to admit that it was Eggman that caused the main plot catastrophe or whatever villain was out there.
In Sonic 06, Sonic made a mistake to bring Elise home then Eggman kidnaps her again.
Also, he didn’t catch her in time to save her so he had to go back in time thanks to Silver’s help to rescue her and redo his mistake.
In Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic did make the mistake of trusting Merlina though he does come through for her in the end.
In Sonic and the Secret Rings he made the mistake of trusting Sharha but she came through for him in the end.
There were lots of times where he would take in Eggman like in Sonic Chronicles even though he questions him but then Eggman backstabs him anyways.
In Sonic X, he made that mistake of letting Black Narcissus get to him and letting his anger boil over what had happened to Chris and Cosmo thus becoming Dark Sonic.
He had every right to be angry but he still needs to learn to control his temper in situations like that.
In Sonic Riders, Sonic made the mistake of not seeing Wave put an exploding device on his Riding Gear.
So it explodes making Jet win at the racing championship.
In Sonic Unleashed, Sonic makes the mistake of talking to Eggman too much as Super Sonic when he should have done something to him.
But, instead Eggman traps him in the machine to turn him into Werehog Sonic.
It’s a long never ending list I can go on. Lol
I think the reason sonic did so well in the 90s and now in the 2020s is because of how varied the different takes on the character is.
There should never be a "definitive sonic" otherwise we'll be stuck in another dark age or meta era
For many fans, including me, dark ages Sonic would be the best Sonic.
From what I heard, it was also the fact that the director of Prime confirmed that the show is canon to the overall main plot of the games which offsets a lot of fans as that have Sonic's character be more on a regression.
@@jvsonic2468he's got the strongest mind, but that doesn't automatically make him the definitive Sonic imo
@@jvsonic2468bruh that one aspect ruins an otherwise perfectly fine show lmao. thats dumb asf
Every body tired of the multiverse concept after dc did that and now you know why sonic prime hated
The reason I don’t love the show doesn’t have too much to do with the characterization or the voice acting or it being “childish”. My issues have to do with it being a super boring and repetitive. Every episode is a always go to a shatter space, fight some enemies for far too long and do it all again
the show looks like a fan made show
@@its_notjordanthen knowing the fact that its canon makes me dislike it more
I don’t mind an episode formula if it’s executed well (sonic x did this mostly) but god do some sonic prime episodes drag on *way* too much
@@mephilesfan ongggg bro, both season suffer from that but season 2 in particular was a real drag to get through to the end and it was only 8 episodes 💀
I honestly don't hate this show. My friends and I have been watching the show mostly for the acting performances and though I question the choice on Prime Knuckles' voice actor, the rest did an amazing job acting wise on the series so far. Devan Mack as Sonic especially.
I think the main problem for me is that apparently Sonic Prime is canon to the games and I just can't understand how that'd work. In a bubble, Sonic Prime is ok though.
The sonic franchise has become similar to the tmnt franchise in my opinion. The ninja turtles have their iterations, now sonic has his, my first exposure to sonic was through the Adventure games. Nowadays, im ok with people enjoying different versions of the character, sonic is 30 years old after all, at some point, like with all long running franchises, you have to switch things up a bit to keep things fresh
Idea: each year a slightly different version of Soni should be released as a game. Like one year it’s Adventure, another it’s akin to Prime, and then it’s the melodrama of Frontiers. I think that this could be a solution to fix the in-fighting because if someone doesn’t like that the Sonic game that year was too serious and gritty, they know they can just wait a year for the next.
I don’t like this iteration of Sonic. It’s too childish. The cartoon itself is targeted at smaller children.
Adventure Era is the one I grew up with. I miss that Sonic.
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Well that sonic is still around now stop trash talking my show
@@Shatterspacespeedster Bruh, grow up. Don’t need to get heated.
It’s a cartoon.
Sonic X was awesome
@@Ilias24. Sonic X was awesome!
I just don’t like how this show portrays sonic. Like seeing him get beat down every fight makes him just look like he isn’t as powerful as he use to be it’s like he doesn’t know what to do or he’s just getting weaker…I don’t know I think I’m just biased
I just wished it covered the Sonic Multiverse and featured cameos from past versions of sonic series but all the characters from past material take the form of the modern sonic style!. like imagine a spiderman no way home level sonic series and multiverse of madness proportions like have Prime Sonic meet Classic Sonic (Jaleel White) and his band of ragtag Freedom Fighters and they appear in a few episodes just to wrap up that series AKA (Sonic the hedgehog the animated series). or have Sonic finally help a variant of himself with the siblings find his mom to unite the family again (Sonic Underground) or a funny AOSTH (Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog) episode as well with scratch and grounder, and coconuts and a sonic sez segment just to break the 4th wall at the end of the episode just before he enters the shatter verse yet again or maybe a sonic boom episode with Roger returning to voice sonic from the boom universe with the boom cast as well. and sticks screaming comically after seeing two sonics lol. and as he is traveling through the different shatter verses he can encounter different threats and enemies like Ixis Naugus, Snively, The Super Sonic Search and Smash Squad, Sleet and Dingo, Boom Eggman, Team Hooligan and more formidable threats like Infinite and Mephiles.
that was what I thought the series would've been since wild brain owns almost every sonic series under the sun and makes re releases of every series on DVD almost every few years. Imagine it also like Ultimate spiderman with appearances of serious characters like Blade appearing in an episode, Moon Knight, and even Deadpool and wolverine but with all the older sonic characters that early fans can recognize, and new fans will get to love, like, etc.
Again, that's just my thoughts on what Sonic Prime could've been but I enjoy it still none the less.
PS. where is my multiversal Trio Blaze, Silver, and Marine? or Cream the rabbit and Cheese the Chao?, Or the Freaking tank himself Omega I mean they already have Both Shadow and Rouge whom are team dark members all they need is Omega.
also PS. Having these sonics be like a mentor to the Prime Sonic would be amazing! Each episode Sonic learns a valuable lesson from each variant of himself and he learns to make his own path much like my boy @SpeedSuperSonic is talking about here in this video.
The only think that's bad is Sonic's characterization. If they tell us that this takes place before 06 or Unleashed then I'll believe the characterization is pretty good.
1: 06 isnt canon
2: it cant take place before those games because orbot & cubot were there in episode 1
Crap @@raptorzeraora2632 is right
The final season really makes the hate well deserved.
To be honest this character doesn’t and NEVER has gotten a clear identity. Wether it’s the art-style, designs, game mechanics, characterization, even voice. (I’m only scratching the surface) There are so many different identities for this hedgehog and his friends.
The Classic games, AOSTH, SATAM, Archie, Fleetway, CD movie or series, (Whatever you think it is) The Manga series, Underground, Adventure games, X, Unleashed, Colors, Boom, IDW, The Movies, and Prime. I’m pretty sure that’s FAR from everything.
All of that proves from the beginning Sonic’s never had a REAL identity.
You see ALL these different properties and you’d think they’re from COMPLETELY different franchises. Mainly the multimedia stuff, but the games couldn’t figure out what kind of story tone, backgrounds, and level designs they wanted to keep. AND STICK TO THEM.
But that’s what I love about this franchise. It’s always trying new things. Even if it doesn’t work, we can always go back to the old stuff or look forward to try the next new thing. You can still critique things and have your own opinions. We all have a version of these characters we can love and appreciate. 💙
I don’t ever hate Sonic Prime at all! I really enjoy it so much! I don’t know why some people hate it?! It makes me very sad! Also, Sonic has always been my childhood since I was a kid. I’ll always love Sonic no matter what mistakes he makes and he’ll always willing to make things right. I’ve been a Sonic fan for 9 years and there’s no way I’m gonna stop being a Sonic fan. He’ll always be my most favorite Sega character forever and I’ll never ever hate him at all. I’ll always love Sonic no matter what and I’m really looking forward to new Sonic games, movies, tv shows, everything! So yeah that’s all I have to say to y’all
I don't think Sonic acting like a LITERAL teenager was ever what Sega planned.
Sonic has always been an inspirational type character. The Japanese Box Art for Sonic, 2, CD, and 3&K all have some inspirational quote attached to them. Even CDs JP op and Ed lyrics have that effect. I don't think there was ever a major change until we got to the series being handled more by American writers. The biggest change before that was the downplaying of his attitude which would come and go depending on the game. If anything he's closest to a character like the anime version of Lupin the Third. He's a thrill seeking free spirit, he has plenty of flaws but he embraces them and while he probably won't change much he has an big impact on everyone he meets.
I like sonic prime a lot but at 36 years old and an og fan, I would like to see a mature adult only series, just for us adult fans. It doesn’t have to be crazy graphic or anything, but just something that’s not aimed at ‘all ages’. Just for once. It would be interesting to see. Sonic prime is good though.
you arent gonna get a rated m game
Actually that does sound pretty cool, but my biggest worry is that they will just turn it to another Velma (shudders).
Sonic prime is amazing! And I can’t wait to see the next season! It’s important to remember that Sonic is, at the end of the day, a franchise aimed at kids and I think it’s crazy how people can get so upset about the way Sonic is portrayed. I see it all the time and it bothers me because it really isn’t that big of a deal. Yes, Sonic is for everyone and everyone can enjoy it. I love it!
Anyway, enough of my rant.
Great video! I think this explains the situation Sonic is in these days pretty well! Thanks!
Yey, or people that loves to complian that prime isn't that sonic like cough cough channel pup who even said as a joke no joke sonic trash meaning that now pup concerned sonic prime to be bad just because sonic prime chose to give sonic a arc and show that sonic has flaws like everyone else and make him different that as not been shown or even seen in other sonics shows and even x beside sonic stam that did a good job more with sonic than x sonic and also made a vidoe complaining about s2 and even not understanding the sonic and dread thing which is also arlo levels of stupidity which proves more that pup really needs to stop thinking that every media has to have sonic be this perfect hero even if sonic x is an example of how not to do that
And even a few mouths ago there was a poll and obvious people still want a 2d show but in the comments are worse like saying that sonic prime is like a PBS show and I can tell that these people never watch the show and plus do people forget that animation takes a long time like if they do a show similar to shorts how long would the animation process be and also how much would it exhaust workers from the shorts so inclusion people really need to understand that daminding a sonic show simpler to the shorts isn't going to pay out because one we don't know how long these shorts are and I knows there's animators but how much budget they would need to ha to make a show like do people not understand that 2d short like sonic can possibly take a long time or even years
And I know the animation of these shorts are awesome but guess what we dont know how long these shorts take to produce or what will happend if they decide to make a show simler to the shorts but it takes alot longer becuase how long the animation is it's like people don't get it
And yes prime isn't perfect but all the whinging and complains which all started thanks to channel pup needs to end and sorry for a long rant I needed to get this out of my chess for sometime now
@ohosmandivine6770 he now thinks it's bad just because sonic different protryale and tone even if sonic is a kids franchise like mario for example and with sonic charcter in the show its so refreshing that sonic is the main focus and just because prime sonic is a flaw charcter doesn't make it bad and I know the show isn't perfect like nothing perfect but channel pup saying oh I'm getting old just because sonic prime isn't like 2000s sonic or even frontiers sonic
Thanks for Sonic Prime, Nine tails is My favorite Character from 13th January 2024.
If sonic was not supposed to be mature they shouldve never gave us sonic x ESPECIALLY Dark Sonic in the metarex ark where some died as well I'm not asking for Sonic to go around killing people but the threats they deal with are literally world ending but nobody ever gets hurt is just unrealistic Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 people actually died and eggmans grandfather was executed how is sonic not supposed to be mature again???😂😂😂
Sonic Prime is really good and have a lot of source material from the games. He is in a character ark and is a journey of self-discovery and redemption. I do think they should add more characters like Silver, Blaze, and the Chaotix but other than that I really like the direction of the show. I think everyone that hates on the show does not understand that his childish attitude and mistakes is intentionally part of the show so that he transforms into a better version of himself. As much as I hate to say it I would not be surprised if Sonic Prime is cancelled after season 3 because literally all the past Sonic shows have been cancelled sooner than they should of but regardless I love Sonic Prime and it is a really fun Sonic TV show.
A:"the reason this show has been doing so well is because they cut the fat! Why would you intentionally ruin it? B:"just like Ultimate Spider Man(cartoon), the title actually means something here!
Wrong sonic x just had 3 seasons thats it
@@Ilias24.. How does that connect to what we've been saying?
People want sonic not modern day politics, sonic should never be changed for modern times he should stay timeless
What happened to animators of sonic prime?
"It hasnt gotten dark and gritty before" Homie...did you not read Archie Comics? Or watched some of the 90s animated shows? Hell the classic games, you are literally....on a space station...called....the Death Egg. Yes hes blue rodent who eats chilly dogs but he also fights a Ego manic whose hell bent on bending nature to his mechanical whim. Sonic Adventure almost made us believe SONIC DIED. Then you have Shadows sacrifice. Like cmon now. We dont want dark and gritty necessarily, but we dont want "oh its for kids so make it all bright colorful and silly" No. give us GOOD STORY TELLING.
I like mature Sonic little bit more, that is why I like very much Sonic Frontiers game and his voice by Roger Craig Smith is my most favorite of all. But I understand that in new shows they want to start his development fro begining.
My favourite interpretation of Sonic is from Sonic Boom. The dialogue and humor is what got me back into the Franchise. I’m just disappointed there wasn’t a Season 3 to end it on a high note before going into Sonic Prime. Sonic Prime is okay, but not my favourite interpretation. This is Spider-Man all over again, some like Tobey Maguire, others like Andrew Garfield, and some like Tom Holland’s interpretation. If anything Sonic should do a “Turtles in Time” thing and try to mix in all these interpretations and see where it goes.
I personally think that sonic primes episodes were a little too fast (no pun intended) I just wanted it to feel something like breaking Bad you know with more of the in the middle pace of it
My only problem with it is the soundtrack for the most part. It’s fairly disappointing in comparison to other sonic projects. I don’t think that’s only a problem in prime though. I think the movies need to step up their soundtracks too. It’s not that the soundtracks are bad, they just don’t pop out like most Sonic soundtracks do
i get you on the movies. i thought sonic 2 was fantastic but the generic movie ost kinda bummed me out, especially when the games have so many bangers.
I love the series, but they way Sonic is being treated kinda makes me feel emotions that just make my heart rot like a tomato. I know the whole Shatterverse thing is on Sonic, but I just want a show where Sonic isn't the punching bag of all people. The Villagers disrespected him and his friends in Sonic Boom, making this look like a scenario that Uncle Ruckus would have a field day in. And then we have Prime, but this time it was for good reason, but still, can't this man catch a break and just have... fun? Somebody oughta give Sonic a cookie and some therapy after Prime because he's been a punching bag in reality when it came to the fanbase and now he's the punching bag in his own world or in this case, other worlds. Bro kinda deserves better, despite things being his fault 😞😞💀💀
Our poor Sonic.😢
He’s the best hero ever so it doesn’t make any kind of sense.😢
@@andreasmeelie1889 Yeah... as much as I care about the fanbase wanting different content from Sonic, I'm getting tired of having to join in on such heavy stories of Sonic. I don't want to see him put in these situations that might damage him emotionally and mentally, I just wanna have fun and see Sonic have fun too.
Hopefully Season 3 will be good and have a good ending, and since its TV-Y7, it should. I'm just tired of seeing Sonic bullied all the time (I might be exaggerating, forgive me lol)
I kinda need a hug after seeing what my boi has been through
I really love that rouge was included in the series but I miss her original established character. I wish she was a bit more sarcastic, sneaky and on her own agenda. Her depiction in SA2 and Sonic X and sonic hero’s are all versions really loved for a female character in the franchise.
It's kinda mid.
Episodes drag on way too long for no reason, and despite it being another "fate of the multiverse" story, they don't really explore its full potential...
12:15 No Ricardo Sonic Prime is apparently canon. (I don't believe a word Ian Flynn says it can't be Canon.)
I'm sorry to say that I'm among the people who didn't like Sonic Prime. Maybe it's because I've always preferred the lighter, comedy-based Sonic cartoons like Adventures and Boom over the darker, action-based ones like SatAM, Underground, X, and Prime. I was mostly mixed on the first season because I liked the concept of Sonic travelling to different dimensions and meeting different versions of his friends but wasn't a fan of its dramatic tone. however, I felt the show's second season was worse than its first. Instead of seeing Sonic travel to more new dimensions and meeting more different versions of his friends, we just got more of the same. Not to mention, Prime's incarnation of Sonic is clumsier and more prone to making mistakes he's unable to fix, a huge step down from his portrayal in previous Sonic media. (It also doesn't help that his friends constantly berate him for this.) I also dislike how each season finale ends on a cliffhanger. To my knowledge, every Sonic cartoon has ended on an unresolved cliffhanger instead of a proper resolution due to circumstances beyond their control. Even Sonic cartoons that got renewed for a second season, such as SatAM and Boom, teased third seasons that never came to be. I want to be optimistic about Prime being the first Sonic cartoon to break the chain, but I feel it's just going to be yet another victim of the Sonic cartoons' curse. You'd think by now, the writers behind the Sonic cartoons would know not to end their season finales on cliffhangers.
About the whole the cliffhanger thing, if you didn’t know sonic prime doesn’t actually have 3 seasons, it’s just 1 season marketed to be multiple. I mean ever noticed why the time span between season 1 and 2 was only a couple of months. So instead of it being season 1, 2, and 3, it’s season 1a, b, and c. So they couldn’t actually cancel it midway series since the episodes are already done. But most likely season 3 won’t end on a cliffhanger because it’s the final season. Also netflix said that they’re gonna reveal a trailer for sonic prime season 3 on September 27th so you have nothing to worry about.
And about you not liking the whole dramatic tone, that’s most likely not a problem with the show, but more like that the direction the show is going for is just not for you.
I hate prime too
honestly i like it a lot, i find the diversity of the sonic franchise and the way sonic can be melded and molded into something new, good and bad, very fascinating. from an animating perspective, there's genuinely so much to enjoy about sonic prime. the tone of it being goofy and high energy and all that compliments the art style and vice versa, the squash and stretch and just overall heavy use of cartoonist techniques is just always something im in love with, i love when animators are allowed to take advantage of their craft and have fun with it. idk that's my take and why i love it. the designs of the multiversal characters are pretty good too
I don't really like the idea of Sonic being a teenager as a permanent part of his character. His growth from teen to 20s is shown in the Adventure games to '06, to Unleashed, to Black Knight, and to Sonic Frontiers. I really like the more mature, laid back Sonic of Unleashed and it puts me off that a show that's supposed to take place after Sonic Frontiers has a Sonic that's back at his teenage stage, a regression of his character. That's same reason I don't like the Colors to Forces Sonic. Sonic doesn't really go through major character development, not in the main incarnation at least. He's always been a way for characters around him to grow, which is why Sonic is cool.
I dont hate the show, I loved season 1 and season 2 was meh but the thing that irritates me is it being canon, that kinda throws the whole show off for me
Agreed, this was a weird decision
I hope they start maturing modern sonic for older fans and keep classic sonic for the newer younger ones
Im fine with Prime even with the glaring flaws, but im still waiting for that true Sonic show that best capture Game Sonic characterization along with clean animation that best fixs showcases Sonic n gangs coolness n wacky nature
Sonic prime is like that show I didn’t wanted but I general like and look forward what’s going to happen next
My problem with this show is how Sonic is portrayed, acts and how the other characters view him. They act as if Sonic is the cause of things when something goes wrong. THATS NOT SONIC. They act like hes annoying. Sonic can and has made situations THAT HE NEVER CAUSED worse because of his at times over confidence. Sonic gets into little spats with characters like Knuckles and Shadow but it WORKS for them because they are forces to be reckoned with that perfectly clash with Sonics force and personality. He's quick, witty, snarky, chill and at the same friendly kind of cool that creates great moments with Knuckles and Shadows more stoic attitude. And im trying to figure out where youthful/teenager = annoying, clumsy, and out right trouble maker. Cause last i checked, THEY ALL are teens and most of them seem way more mature than Sonic. Freaking knuckles who lets himself get tricked by Eggman even acts like Sonic is annoying and a trouble maker!!!!!!
On top of that..this guys is CLUMSY in the show. Always getting hit when he shouldnt or tripping, in some Looney Tune manner. On top of that....the guy is moopy in the show. His tendrils will droop when he's said and will be so damn dramatic. This is not to say Sonic doesnt make mistakes or doesnt have flaws. Hes a bit short tempered, competitive, at times cocky, impatient or stubborn. But he most definitely stops and listens to his friends, even when things are bad he has this inspirational confidence. Look no further than recent stuff like Frontiers or the IDW Comics. Hell, Sonic X gave us a time when Sonic was beyond angry he became an unrecognizable black Hedgehog. THAT shouldve been explored. No quips, no cool demeanor, just anger and rage.
And tell me....what part of the older Games says Sonics character....would have him mess around with nunchucks and smack himself with it -_________- . Sonic doesnt even mature in Prime. Hes been the same. His interactions as Shadow shows as much.
It's an okay show. There were a lot of potential the show could have been, but it couldn't deliver. It was lacking to say the least, but overall a generally okay show as it's own, separate from the franchise.
The issue is that it's supposed to be part of game canon and not a different iteration like Boom and Movie. If Prime was treated as such then there wouldn't be so much discourse about it. What the show is giving us it's almost like disregarding already pre-existing lore and characterization of the franchise.
That being said it's great that Sonic's getting into other medias again, maybe they'll make a good show that truly shows respect to the source material and be able to portray the true essence of Sonic in the future, but that remains to be seen.
It’s one of those shows that pisses you off yet you can’t stop watching
The only problem I have with the show is, it feels a little squeezed and overrushed for me. If every season would have 12 episodes not only the entire show but also every dimension could have breath more because alternative dimensions/universes are always interesting.
@justtheyuk1 This should be canon?? Right, I always thought, this in an alternative universe. But let´s make all happy and say that Boom and Underground is canon as well. By Underground, I really like Manic and Sleet, but it doesn´t mean, that the show is good at all.
@justtheyuk1 Yeah of course. I know most of them. But Characters like the Babylon Rouges are members of the Sinic Riders series (the first two games are great). But this is a spin-off series. And I´ve never heard that a spin-off is automstically canon. This is the same with Prime. It´s spin-off / alternative for me.
@justtheyuk1 Maybe one day, or game, we´ll get the answer. But all in all, the Babylon Rouges is a really cool gang.
I really like Sonic Prime, I get the Criticism but I don’t hate it, maybe the Series is for Fan that grew up with the Franchise or maybe it’s just telling a Simple Story with Complex Tones, but I will support this Series until the End of it’s Time perhaps being the 3rd Season and I’m going to enjoy everything Sonic as Possible no matter how different it is.
Thank you for making this video. The backlash to Prime is pretty silly and claim “this isn’t Sonic” is absolutely ridiculous since Sonic the character and series has been many things, and I personally enjoy different takes on Sonic’s character and Prime has been a very fun interpretation of his character. This is coming from a long time fan of the series for decades.
Every corner of the franchise gets some love from those old amvs(first bosscage episode's title"UNwelcome to the jungle),underground(thorn's look),comics(just like fleetway Sonic lives in Green Hills)!
I like Sonic Prime! It's so interesting and i recognize a lot of voices from other games
Bruh, some sonic fans could not be DMC fans.
There’s nothing wrong with a character that doesn’t have to grow or has very short growth I should say.
“Oh this character relates to me, cus he’s a fuckup, therefore I can identify with him” is just kind of lazy imo.
You don’t need to relate to a character to have fun with them.
No one relates to Batman, almost absolutely no one, but people love that character whether he’s flawed or not,
No matter the interpretation, all they care about is “is Batman cool in this story”
Same thing with Sonic, he can have a character arc, but at the end of the day if he comes across as lame and annoying then it’s not working…..
But my main issue with this show is them claiming the story is cannon when this takes place clearly after Adventure 2 at LEAST and Sonic has never acted like this before,
And he’s learned this lesson of being impulsive in Sonic Lost World so like I don’t even understand why he’s like this right now
I don’t care if Sonic has a dark tone, I don’t care if he has a comedic tone, I just want him to feel like Sonic again.
The movies do their own thing and I can get behind that after the second one,
But this show nor Frontiers seems to actually understand why Sonic works and it feels like even this fanbase is losing the plot on Sonic’s character as years go by
Modern Sonic is a major part of why Sonic 4 failed. He doesn't fit. They had to kneecap a lot of things to even try. No meaningful advancement happened. And the music....oh god. It just wasn't right.
Sega accepting that and splitting Sonic to have it both ways was the best thing they did.
The people demanding or claiming there should be only one are completely out of touch with all of this.
video game franchises like mario and sonic are iconic because they don't need a definitive standard
Prime Sonic is super stupid, but at least no maliciously stupid like Pontaff and Boom Sonic. No way is he the same character as the one from Frontiers.
Bro I just want something like sonic X again
I respect you as a content creator and I watch some of your videos but I must say that there are some issues in the arguments you use to justify your opinion:
1. First of all (I dont want to sound weird with the things im going to say in this point) you said that Sonic was always a "Kids" franchise, and let me tell you, there are some sub-issues with that statement too.
a) Sonic was made literally with the marketing idea of "Mario is for little Kids, but Sonic is for the real Deal". Even if obviously Sonic has a masive appeal with the Kids, the real target was always the teenagers. Thats why Sonic use to focus in the stories and the "edge" part of the character. Sonic is was never intended to be the bland blob it is now, he was always a character before he was a mascot.
b) Then, if you think that Sonic is for Kids, how do you explain Sonic x, a series that has of course its goofy moments and all, but also has some dark plotpoints in its original material (metarex saga) like the death of some important and some background characters in very tragic ways. In this period of time a lot of people dont demand more quality for the Kids content, and thats a completely mistaken idea. I was grown in the 2000s and I have seen a lot of good shows in that period from a lot of content, so thats why i'm demanding the same or even more quality. If a kid grows up with terrible shows, he would not know any better (even considering how the entretainment is nowdays).
2. Secondly, you said you would prefer Sonic as a character to grow up, but thats completely anti Sonic and even anti Brand. I will explain the previous statement in two points too.
a) in a writting perspective, Sonic has a flat character arc, wich means that his peak character performance will always be when he inspires change in other characters. Sonic needs to be always cool and always the same because if he doesnt he would lose his entire point as a character.
b) in a branding perspective, a longrunner should always (or at least the most time) be the same because of the Brand recognition, and with Sonic thats fine because it complements his strenghts as a catalist for change.
3. You said Sonic prime, despite of its tone has some deep themes, but I dont know where they are if i'm being honest.
None of all the respective dimensions has any particular deep theme or subtility in the way to convey a message.
-New yoke was just a bland distopian city, with characters no more interesting than the character variants of the storybook series.
-Forest Cage (or something like that, I apologise if the name was wrong) was more of the same issues that new yoke has, but also a generic and too long arc about enviromentalism (that honestly feels like filler).
-the pirate world has also the same issues (thats all).
-The shatterverse was a pretty neet concept, but the execution fails in acomplish such a cool premise. All of the dimensions were bland and genering templates without any flavour.
-The villians are too one note to be taken seriously or even to be funny. The series lack in real substance because of that.
If somebody reads this, thanks for that, and I apologise if I have some gramatical issues, its my keyboard (because my native languaje is spanish and its set in that languaje). I hope that the person reading this can extract something of value.
Hello! I respect your opinion greatly, and even though I love Prime Sonic, I have my gripes with how he’s written at times too. However I have my own pin points. Your opinion is valid weather you change your mind or not.
First of all, we all have to remember when we started becoming a fan of this franchise. (For the most part) This franchise has never went full on adult besides “Shadow The Hedgehog.” To me personally, it’s kind of how Looney Tunes appeals to adults but it’s main audience is still for kids. Especially nowadays. Because what was allowed in the past is different from what is allowed now. (Especially if they never had an adult cartoon within the franchise and mostly have appealing to kid stuff)
Sonic X was created in the East and what you can get away with in the East may differ from what you can get away with in the West. 4kids did censor a lot of stuff after all. Also it was made in the early 2000s. Again a time where a lot more things were acceptable. Like people who liked Sonic 06 were probably considered crazy. You would be harshly judged for liking it back then.
Now, times Sonic’s messed up in the games.
Riders: Sonic literally lunched Amy along with Eggman into the air with his wind abilities. While knowing she would be affected by it. Then left. Which was the reason Amy got so angry and aggressive afterwards. He didn’t ever apologize either.
Amy: “How could you dive into Eggman knowing I was there?!”
06: Exchanged a chaos emerald for Elise even after Tails warned Sonic not to.
Tails: “I don’t think Eggman will honor his agreement.”
Unleashed: Got distracted by taunting Eggy.
Sonic: “Well, this is new. Showing remorse Eggman? If you played nice, I wouldn’t have to break all your toys.”
Then became the Werehog. All because he showed sympathy. Or boosted his ego. You decide.
Secret Rings: Shahra used Sonic to collect the world rings for Erazar Djinn. Even though it should’ve been expected because she said, “They use to work together.” Ended up not being true.
Black Night: Was tricked into helping Merlina who wanted to create a world that would last forever.
Lost World: Tails once again tried to warn Mr.Impatient about the conch in Eggman’s hand, but kicked it anyways. Then warned Sonic about another trap, he didn’t listen, ended up getting the fox captured instead.
Frontiers: Accidentally helped free “The End,” despite Knuckles and Sage’s suspensions. If his friends, Eggy, and Sage didn’t help him…..Well, it’s in the villain's name.
To me, the only reason Sonic didn’t learn from these mistakes is because they weren’t the main focus. Just because he didn’t learn from these mistakes doesn’t mean he isn’t flawed. Sonic can sometimes be reckless. Not listen to his friends warnings. He’s always been impatient. Sonic sometimes has too much trust in others. I could go on. If you still disagree I’m fine with that. We all love this character and I think that’s important to remember. 👍
@@essycogany2738 hello, thanks for sharing your points, I apreciate that.
I still have some points about that:
First of all, I agree in the points about the censorship (and the 4kids dub) but even so there were some heavy and even more darker stories in the mainline Sonic games like the Sonic adventure series or Sonic battle (etc).
Even Shadow the hedgehog that was a tonal mess and wasnt as dark as his tone has some serious stuff going on. The series was never for adult of course, but neither for the most young Kids. The series was created as an antithesis to the other lighthearted series of the competence because of the 90s edge fever.
Secondly, talking about western sensibilities I dont think that the bad tone of the Sonic series is a inherently Sonic issue, in fact most of the western production nowdays are terrible or painfully average to the point that even the minimum edge shown in camera is trashtalked by the twitter mobs, but at the same time other productions like "adult series" are being watched by kids without censorship (western common L).
But in fact, a really good story can be enjoyed by all demographics without alienating the other parts of the fanbase, and thats why I think personally that Sonic prime fails in which other series about Sonic succed.
Finally, I understand your point about Sonic flaws as a character when he rushes into conclussions or actions, but that flaws in particular werent writting flaws but just plot devices. For a good character a story need to make him flawled, because if is not then the narrative would be messy or boring. These rush moments of Sonic also werent all of his character traits but just a complement. The problem of prime is not inherently that part of his character but the flanderization of Sonic in the narrative of prime and other media like the movies. Sonic is officialy described and portraited as a free spirit, adventurer and fast paced hedgehog, but also a guy who can take issues seriously when its needed (they exagerated that other trait in frontiers making Sonic a boring and melodramatic generic hero). Its the combination of all of his traits what completes him.
Thanks again for answer my comment, I will be more than happy to continue the conversación if its needed.
@@kendraroth1276 hi, thanks for sharing your points. Yeah, in that first statement I agree too, but with the mainline series I will not put an age rate because of the tonal disconection between some modern Sonic games like for example Sonic heroes and Shadow the hedgehog. But in a general sense I would say that the mainline series tries appeal to a 5-20 demographic but the actual public and fanbase is around 5-30 or even more.
Thanks again for answer.
@@benjaminaleman4003Oh, okay. Sure thing. I don’t have a solution to how you feel about the tone of the show or the show in general because you seem to not like it and I LOVE it. Why do I love it? I can tolerate a lot of things. 😂
I know this shows world building sucks and the stories not all that great, but I like the animation, voice acting, music, and sound design.
All those little things do kind of dal the show up but I still appreciate it.
I won’t continue this civil conversation because I can’t change your mind about the show. You may see it as bad, bland,and boring, but people who love this show don’t. I believe we should all juts be respectful and agree to disagree when we can’t find mutual ground.
But I’m glad we were able to talk civilly regardless.
Just remember people have their own perspectives and views. I believe that’s really important. Because at the end of it all, we love this silly cartoon rat in our own ways. 💙
@@benjaminaleman4003Last thing, it’s hard to keep a character one way when he’s always been all over the place. He hasn’t had a clear identity from SATAM to Prime as far as shows goes. The games from Adventure-Frontiers isn’t that far off either because you can STILL tell the difference in writing styles. Again, we have our own version of this character to love and I think that’s something worth celebrating.
That’s it. Thanks for the respectful feedback. 💙
Disappointing or not we're getting the next Sonic Film right? just stay postive okay guys? :)
As someone not a major sonic fan, Prime as a show is badly paced. I stopped at the pirate episode. I think it’s reinterpretations of the cast is kinda shallow, the most interesting thing it has is a more cynical tails. It’s annoying seeing how slow sonic is as a character grasping the idea of alternate realities and having to get a reset on him re-meeting a cast of characters. Action scenes kinda lack weight and drag on too long. The jungle one had a pretty childish backstory for its central conflict.
If you consider this the “best characterization” of sonic that’s fine and all, but I do not think that has as much value as you want it to have. You haven’t mentioned the episodes or plot or other production aspects at all, just a “this fits with my headcanon of how sonic should act”… that’s only one aspect of a show, and here it really sounds like it’s coated in preconceived bias to me.
every sonic game with the best character is him reacting to the world lol
u dont need to have a flawed protagonist to have an enjoyable story, every single sonic game with an enjoyable story is him reacting to other characters and helping them with their character development rather than his own. shadow in sa2 is the first example and theres lots more
idw sonic is the same thing and reflects even better on his character during moments where he thought he was making the right choice and other characters question him for it long term. this does not devalue his character but clearly shows what he is supposed to be, representing freedom for himself and for others even if people take advantage of it at times. sonic prime sonic is just annoying and incompetent for no reason in comparison to every single other sonic that has ever been conceived.
Agreed
Since when was it so hated? I remember alot of people liking both seasons.