@@kirith_gamer8029I didn't know that, thanks! However, I don't use Linux. I have a Windows laptop, and it doesn't have a left Ctrl key, so I remap my Caps Lock to it.
Pissed me off enough that my last keyboard was a $4.00 dollar store keyboard. When the paint on the keys wears off too much, it's starting to get a bit dotty and at the price, who cares?
@@u2bear377 Yes. And then they weren't getting made, so I had to make Ebay purchases. I loved them, because my right thumb was getting arthritis at the age of 33 when I found they didn't aggravate it. And my wife used them as well. But they always seemed to have a limited lifetime. And then it got too hard to find working ones that weren't outrageous (I'm smart, but evidently not smart enough to notice a pattern in that it seems, so not smart enough), so I switched to Logitech. Being a thumb ball, that aggravated my arthritis again. Now I use the ELECOM HUGE trackball. I tried the wireless ones, but the wireless stopped working, and switched to the wired. Which my cats managed to destroy by knocking it off my desk. So far the Elecom works just like the MS one, and it's more configurable, so that I make it match the MS way. It has a scroll wheel that even works horizontally. Not that it's a feature I remember to use, lol.
its remarkable how much you care about quality of life features when you're building your software. i dont even have Logitech keyboard and there's no reason for me to use this, but I watched the video just to see how many different features you've added
Don't worry. They will add that feature when they release the subscription mouse and keyboard with $4.99 per month unlocking that NumLock indicator feature alone.
She walked back the subscription-mouse but only until the scandal blows over, there's now way they actually abandoned the nonsense idea (other companies are trying to do subscription hardware too, like Apple who also tried to bury their subscription-hardware idea that didn't go over well… until they bring it back later).
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To be fair when you publish something like this half of that it just the UI and half of the rest is signing and general janitoring to make sure windows doesn't freak out at it or think it's a virus. So really it's 4000 lines that really does stuff. But everyone knows lines of code is a completely irrelevant metric.
Logitech has been lagging behind on the hardware front for years too. Even their most expensive keyboards lacked PBT doubleshot keycaps for a long time. The result was that even on their premium keyboards the most widely used keys had a problem where the legend printed on the ABS keycap simply wore off. Now they're finally starting to include PBT but they still lack hotswap switches and pre-lubed keys that are standard even on much cheaper keyboards from other manufacturers.
i love when an app wants you to go through the setting and gives you link to go there directly and not let you find it yourself and make you wander whether it is right or not
I own a Wooting. They added this feature (including NumLock inversion) to their software/firmware. So it's Logitech that just doesn't want to. But most of the time, you buy the hardware, and don't consider software until you plug it in. However as someone who is very particular with certain things, I think your tool is amazing (even if I have no use for it). So many actually useful options and even Command-line / "remote control" type of stuff! I wish big companies software would be half this good! I love your "fine. I'll do it myself" attitude with all the things.
Logitech dont let you keep the back light on with the MX Keys and its been requested for years on the Logitech website by thousands of people. They dont care.
@@Valla451 consumer protection/regret/warranty let them win. I bought a 915, didn't function like it should. Returned it twice for the same reason (debounce), got the Mx keys instead, worked perfectly apart from the lighting, MX keys S wasn't out yet at that time. So I bought the MX Keys S later. If the US had the same consumer protection practices in place as the EU this wouldn't have been an issue.
They didn't want to make another outer shell to add another LED for battery, so they used the spot for the numlock one. I understand why they did it, but it still tiring seing cost cutting everywhere
@ThioJoe Indeed. I've been using AuroraRGB to in a very similar way to your fix (And also use it for game integration things, so will keep using for the time being, but it's nice to have another option).
Featurecreepitis needs to be added to the DSM 6 so Joe and I and others can finally be diagnosed and treated with heavy meds so we can manage to actually finish projects on time (or ever). 😂
Never buy stuff from that toxic company. The used to make amazing peripherals that worked flawlessly for years. Now most of it is made to quickly break (planned obsolescence)
As bad as Logitech is (now), at least they're not Razor. Razor is objectively the WORST. Their products are trash, their service is worse, and their software is just an abomination. 😠
Until someone makes a exact copy or better version of their g502 mouse I guess I'm stuck with them. My mx518 served me good 10 years I think until I dropped it off the couch one too many times and the cable just wouldn't work anymore. Then upgraded to g502 which served me good 7 years until it was so full of gunk and cleaning intervals started to be too small so bought another one. Now going on 3 years on the 3rd mouse. So mostly my logitech products has served me well.
Strongly suggest you just return it if you can. Lack of num lock is the smallest issue. Within a year, some keys will just stop working. Me and several friends has had the exact same problem (though with different keys). I really loved the keyboard until then, but now I've swore to never buy Logitech again.
@@MaxGamingLV Happy for you, and hope you'll never experience any issues with it! :) But considering how many people have had issues with it, I will keep advicing against buying it for anyone who doesn't already own one.
I have a similar but different Logitech keyboard and I HATE it. The backlight doesn't work properly, I have to keep pressing it with different combinations until it decides to turn on (I really don't know why it doesn't just always turn on with a single press, why it keeps resetting the backlight mode; my cheap Reddragon keyboard is flawless for this 😒). But even worse, the keys are trash and won't press down correctly unless pressed properly perpendicular , they'll stick if pressed from a slight angle. It's like a primitive Rubik's cube that has zero corner-cutting! 🤦
Sorry to hear that. Have to say that I haven't had any issues with my G915, and I've had it for I believe ~4 years now. Maybe I got lucky? However, I have to +1 that in terms of software, it does indeed feel like Logitech doesn't care. You do constantly run into little quality of life nuisances that people have documented broadly for years, and it's really frustrating when you actually like the hardware!
I was pleasantly surprised by the Sharkoon Skiller Mech SGK3 when I bought it, like 6 yrs ago. And, Im still using it. (on linux = no problem) If you can find it, it might be worth a look.
Not just a problem with that keyboard. I have a G513 Linear keyboard and there is no numlok light indicator. I hate how the so called cheap keyboards have this feature but not a higher end keyboard.
0:38 I can confirm that this isn't unique to Hyper V. Virtual Box does this too, and even worse, it stays off even when you switch to another window. I can't tell you how many times I've reached to press numpad zero to restart a TH-cam video, only to have it do nothing because num lock is off. IDK about other virtual machine software though. I don't use VMWare that much, since it's less intuitive than VBox. If anyone else can say other VM software that does this, LMK.
4:28 unfortunately it also blocks the key input until your application finishes running. so if for some reason your app slows down, TYPING itself ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE on windows slows down
Logitech K270 also does not have a num lock indicator. K480 lacks both num lock and caps lock indicator. Logitech Media Keyboard 500, a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay old product, have them. (It's wired though) Damn, those indicators have proper reason to exist.
It's not just Logitech, it's pretty much all companies these days. They provide a way to provide feedback but universally ignore user-feedback and just do whatever crap they want, making unnecessary and unwanted changes that make things worse and worse and force it on users. This is why I stopped contributing to Chrome and then stopped using it altogether (and why I'm frustrated that I have no choice but to use Firefox whose devs are no better than the Chrome devs). 😕
I mean, they should just have numlock on at all times. What's the purpose of getting a keyboard with a numpad and not even use it? Just get a keyboard without numpad if you don't want to use it. There's no reason the numpad should be off at all in keyboards that support them. Plain and simple, no more issues.
Interestingly enough, it's actually very common in many keyboards with both wired and wireless versions that in the wireless version, they change the Num Lock light to a battery light.
You are the MVP! I really like some Logitech products, like my K600 for my TV, but this is really ridiculous. I heavily use the numpad for work, and the indicator is mandatory. In fact I solved too in my VMs what you mentioned about the default state of the numlock.
Do you know of a good alternative for the GHUB software on windows to set custom keys for logitech devices? Sadly Logitech decided to drop support for older devices which are still working perfectly fin, but you now need to run even more bloatware to make everything work. :(
Had the numlock randomly be disabled on both laptops and desktops never been able to find a solution to stop it. I can go months without issue then it will happen very annoying little bug.
That’s another very useful app. I’m impressed. A possible (optional) extension could be to also change the colour of the entire numbers block, to indicate the changed mode. It’s something I would use, but have no idea, how popular it would be. Cheers. PS: Microsoft should consider to include this app with power toys, as they regularly feature open source projects (or work based on them) in there. Imo they should integrate this functionality into Windows as an option for all coloured lighting keyboards. The reason being, that it can be useful even when a hardware indicator is present, because some of them just are very small, too dim or even in awkward places, where they can be obscured by keys or your hand (e.g. between the arrow keys and the home, delete etc. block).
big thank you to your effort! this is amazing, super clean and clear UI, nothing is useless, logictech should pay you for your effort. Also, i cant believe how many problems are still with all these company, sigh..
I was already mentally drafting the perfect PR to add an advanced tab and go all out with full customizability-only to hear 'No pull requests!' just seconds later. 😂 Amazing work man, keep up the good work 🌹
Love it! Been suffering with this for years now lol... I know you said not to, BUT I would love if there was an option to change the color of all of the numkeys instead of only the numlock key :P
I have a different Logitech keyboard that's a similar physical layout. It does have the lock-key LEDs, but they're hidden back at the edge of the keyboard behind the height of the keys, so they're only visible if you're sitting completely upright. Whenever I'm slumped down in my chair, I can't see them. 😒 I'm sick of mfgs/devs only accounting for their own personal ways instead of thinking of users' various styles and such. 🤦
I don't like what keyboard manufacturers in general have been doing the last decade or more. They've more and more ignored the long established standard keyboard layout. The only way you can find a standard keyboard anymore is to try to find the cheapest keyboard you can find, and even then they've started replacing keys with Fn or something, or just removing rarely used/seemingly redundant keys entirely. Like seriously, with a $50-$100 plus keyboard, how expensive is it to add a few extra physical keys? I'd rather have an extra key or two somewhere than have the keys I need/want missing. I realize I'm not the majority of people and my use case is unusual, but it's very frustrating when even the cheapest keyboard manufacturers are getting on the bandwagon and messing with the layout. Or when they /do/ add physical keys it's those god awful power/sleep/wake keys that they always put right where you can accidentally press them and put your computer to sleep with no way to disable them without disabling the power/sleep buttons on the case as well. If there was /ever/ a case for having buttons need to hold a modifier key to use it'd be power/sleep if they're not put like tucked away in an unused corner. And I'm not sure the point of a wake key since generally /any/ key will wake a computer unless it's disabled. I don't know if a wake key functions even then?
Can I use a preset lighting(colour wave) with Logitech keyboard(G213) without G HUB running in the background. Because whenever I exit the application it is reverting to default lighting(colour cycle)
@@ThioJoe I run Win 10, so Dynamic Lighting is not there. My keyboard has a light indicator for all the locks. I was just curious if there was a way to somehow set the lighting I want without keeping G HUB running in the background.
I have a similar stupid issue with a Logitech keyboard, I have their MX Keys backlit keyboard and I bought it purposely for being able to see my keyboard while it's dark when watching movies. But it has this annoying "Ambient Light Sensor" that actually would be a pretty cool option, but you cannot deactivate this feature, all I want is when the wireless keyboard is switched on the backlight is on, that's all. I have contacted Logitech and they are useless, I feel on a $200 AUD keyboard that this simple function should be standard but they said to me directly that they will not pass my issue on to the technical team but will note my complaint...
2:01 Great video, thanks Theo! I love these low profile keyboards and after trying a few (including the logitech 915 I found that the razer huntsman is the best one by far (switches, key caps, quality, software, etc) It allows you to easily swap the low profile optical switches to other ones from keychron (I bought a few sets and found that banana switches are the best for me)
I used to have a keyboard without a numpad but with a numlock, which would turn some of the regular keys on the right side of the keyboard into a janky numpad. Every time the computer rebooted, the numlock would automatically get turned on, which caused my log in to fail because my password would have some of the letters replaced with numbers. It was incredibly frustrating, especially the first time when I repeatedly typed my password in slowly and carefully and had no idea why it was being rejected.
I absolutely LOVE their G815/915 boards (as well as the TKL ones). These are some of the NICEST boards. MY biggest gripe is they don't have the special or secondary characters illuminated. I work in the dark. And it's SO PAINFUL to remember it.
I used to turn off NumLock in the bios in the 1990s because I'd use the numlock cursor keys as default for movement in games, but now that WASD is the current meta, I need, I repeat, NEED (hence why I never buy a short keyboard) proper numberpad keys for data input on excel. SO MUCH FASTER.
I have the Logitech K360 keyboard. It doesn't have any indicator lights but every time I push the num Lock button it shows the status of the Num Lock on the monitor through a pop up. I wish they would add that feature for the caps lock button.
Agreed! The other problem with their wireless keyboard is that the running macro's will STOP once the keyboard goes in sleep mode from inactivity. And there's no way to keep the macro running or stop the inactivity check. These wireless keyboards try to imitate the real thing as if wired but it's just badly engineered.
On Windows 10 I use the Ease of Access option that triggers an audible high pitch beep for On and lower pitch for Off on Caps, Num, and Scroll lock. That's native to Windows and surely also there in Windows 11. Would that be a better/simpler/safer mechanism (turn that on and find what triggers that behavior as the thing to monitor) vs. your solution? It's called "Use Toggle Keys" For VM's that may not work as well potentially though.
My personal favorite feature of the G915 is the bowing. Saw one in a store a couple days ago that was bowed and warped so heavily in the middle that one of the feet didn't make contact anymore and it wobbled around on their counter if you typed on it 🤪Every G915 I've seen in stores had that issue. I always wanted one but when I heard about this issue I was glad I didn't buy it. For now I use an Epomaker EK68. Being able to customize (and later fix) it with hotswap switches is nice and it doesn't even have a number block, so I don't have to worry about the numlock key! 🙃 Though it does exactly what you did here, caps lock does light up in a different color when I press it.
I have Logitech K380 which has this fn+tab as screenshot shortcut. The problem is its pretty common key combination for me to misclick when I dont need to and there is no way to disable it. Even in their logitech app. When raised issue to logitech, after 8 days of back and forth, they said its not possible. Like give your shortcuts in f12 keys, dont mess up below keys ever. And in their TnC of the logitech keyboard app, they put that they check your key presses and can do analysis on them, so then I got an asus keyboard, runs well without any app.
On linux I just remapped my keyboard so it no longer has a non-numlocked state. If any software attempts to unset numlock, the call fails because the new keyboard definition doesn't support that function.
To me, it _might_ be related to the design ethos placing the indicator lights on the button itself. Old keyboards reserved a space in the corner to collect all the indicator lights in one spot -- space which now gets allocated to ancillary specialized functions (power/volume controls, etc) instead.
Maybe i am weird, but i have never had a problem with the lack of a num lock light on my Logitech wireless keyboard. The key to turn it on is in a very convenient place, so, if it goes off, just tap the num lock key. Is it really thst difficult?
something else I don't like is: the G app lets you remap keys, as long as the only keys you want to remap are the FUNCTION keys. the only reason I got the 700 model is because it takes up a little less space on the desk without the numpad, but it has the home insert page up page down key cluster, that combined with the key remapping utility should have allowed me to remap those keys into a numpad... but the remapping utility only remaps the function keys. I'm also not too impressed with the way the backlighting customization utility works... it's better than nothing, but it assumes I only want to use it with games, and then the rest of the time it's just accent lighting, but being able to change the backlighting of specific keys is useful for any program, not just games
This is cool. I did something very similar but with a small icon overlay for active apps using your microphone that changes via the same hotkeys. It's dumb, but works for anything so it's better dumb than not. I found this video really interesting!
All I really want Logitech to make is a G Pro keyboard with a numpad, dedicated media keys, and dedicated Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, and Num Lock indicators. I know some of their other keyboards have most of those features, but I hate the slim keycaps with a burning passion.
I had this KB for 3-4yrs now. My one issue is how sharp the edges are. I cut my fingers 3x already, that's once a year! I tried filing the edges to make it smooth
I am a Logitech K375s user. There are 3 leds on the entire keyboard, and they are used to help changing / programming up the 3 devices the keyboard can connect. No caps/num/scroll lock led. Very annoying.
Everyone has their favorite keyboard, my regular is a k400r, battery life and typing speed are my main concern, I have to change the batteries once a year or less and I've actually had batteries that have outlasted the keyboard, even with hundreds of thousands of key presses it only sips power
I used an RGB program called Aurora with my G910 to impliment Even more than this. Turning on Num lock not only turns it Orange (from blue) but turna ALL AFFECTED KEYS orange too. Same with Caps Lock, I also used it to make An analog clock on my keyboard where the Hour shows up in red on my F1-F12 Row. Escape turns red for PM, and Each of the F1-12 keys lights up orange to indicate 5 minute increments towards the hour. the G6-G9 Macro keys light orange to indicate 1 minute parts of the current 5 So for example at present 6:48AM F6 is red, F1-F9 are orange (45 Minutes) and G6-G8 are Orange to indicate 3 additional minutes. Also on the 15-30 and 45 Min marks the minutes turn Magenta. On the hour for 5 seconds the leters that form the hour flash red (ONE, TWO, THRE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVN, EIGHT, NIE, TEN, ELVN, TWELV) Also if you turn on Scroll lock a Green "Second hand" flashes overtop of the Hours and Minutes Displaying the seconds in the same manner as the minutes. I also created it such that on my birthday for 1 hour starting at the exact time of my birth the letters HAPY BIRTD Light up in Rainbow colours.just because I could.
the problem i have with keyboards, or should i say windows 11.. sometimes I hit keys and it disables normal function of the letters, the bad thing is I cant figure out what I am hitting or how to restore the keyboard back to normal.. ugh..
There are software indicators, you could put it near the clock on the tray. (Well, you will still have the issue inside Hyper-V machines. The BIOS default is NUM LOCK OFF. You could change the default BIOS, wondering if that's possible or maybe you can configure it on the machine config page?) - but sure, it would make sense to have an indicator on the keyboard. Wondering if you could configure the background color of a key (if it has one and programmable, well...) based on NUM LOCK setting's value.
Just a though from the Glasses Smurf. The icon used for the "Undo Changes" button looks like a Redo icon for me. A Counterclockwise icon should be more appropriated. Otherwise your application is perfect and overkills its purpose by far!
@6:20 my Windows 11 Pro 23H2 settings does not give me the options for Dynamic Lighting Key Indicator. I only see: Dynamic Lighting Background Controller & Armoury Crate?
The fact that people had this issue for years says a lot about Logitech's desire to make products to for their user's needs. That you saw the issue and created an app to fix it says a lot about Logitech's desire to rest on their laurels. Logitech has started a long slide to the bottom. Here's to hoping they recognize it and start climbing back up before it's too late.
I assume this means you can't use your custom freestyle lighting settings at the same time? I have my keys colour coordinated, but I would love more features (the most popular open source app I tried never worked properly and was confusing to setup).
There use to be a pop up message that came up on the screen whenever Num Lock or Caps Lock was pressed, telling you the status, whatever happened to that?
I have owned a Logitech G915 since 2021, its the keyboard I use on my main desktop. Never once found it an issue not having a numlock indicator. If the numpad doesn't work as I expect, I press the num key and move on
I feel like this is a video for non gamers who use keyboards like this outside of gaming for work because they like the sound and feel of a mechanical keyboard and probably for the RGB lighting. I use mine occasionally with my tablet for typing comments.
@@PinkAgaricus I use the numpad for work, I also use it when gaming. I am left handed, and I have always used the numpad and arrow keys on a full sized keyboard for movement and action keys with my right hand, I use the mouse with my left hand. So it is very important to me that the numpad works as intended and in the correct mode for my ability to use it without issue. With the G915, I have never missed having a numlock indicator.
I was wondering when I saw the keyboard what the problem is since i have a similar one. But it turns out that I have the wired version that does have the num and caps indicators, though it is still lacking the scroll lock indicator.
Razer keyboards make a loud audible BEEP when pressing NumLock. Low pitch 'Boop' for off, high pitch 'Beep' for on. You can make it go Beep, Boop, Beep, Boop, Beep, Boop. Yes I'm easily entertained, but I believe it only does that when you have the Razer Central/Cortex software running since the audio is played though your main audio output. It also has a numlock light too, but it's not RGB, like the rest of theq keyboard.
I really wish Num lock Caps lock and Scroll lock (even if its useless today) had been hardware switches back when they where first invented. Instead of a caps lock buttion it would be a hardware switch. instead of a light telling you if its on or off you have the switch telling you if its on or off
I have the same keyboard, have had for about 2 years now. While I do see that there is no indicator when num lock is on or off, for me this hasn't been a problem. I mainly game with mine.
A new key issue to fix on the horizon exists with “co-pilot” computers: the right ctrl key is replaced by the co-pilot key. No more using the ctrl key on the right side of the keyboard! I wonder how many of us will need to un-learn 30 years of muscle memory there. *sigh* Another new “feature” to fix…
My G915 has the 3 lock lights, but they are really close and all the same color, so when it is darker in the room, I can't tell which lock is on. The real problem mine has is that the RGB leds have failing colors. I won't be buying another Logitech product after this.
THANK YOU!! I Have a G512 wired and it doesn't have a numlock light. I literally pinned calculator to the task bar just to test it every time I reboot. I like the keyboard, but I don't need a gamelock light OVER a numlock light... Thank you sir.
Logitech 2024: Numlock issue
Logitech 2030: No numlock, no capslock
remap your capslock to something useful.
I turned my capslock into fn. qmk/via be thanked.
@@ahmed20gh Caps is useful when writing environment variables in linux
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@@kirith_gamer8029I didn't know that, thanks! However, I don't use Linux. I have a Windows laptop, and it doesn't have a left Ctrl key, so I remap my Caps Lock to it.
But if users smash the keyboard out of frustration Logitech sells more of them. LOL
You don't want to know the number of Microsoft Trackballs I've destroyed in my life....
@@bytehead904 But every time you wreck a Microsoft trackball you buy another _Microsoft_ trackball, right?
Pissed me off enough that my last keyboard was a $4.00 dollar store keyboard.
When the paint on the keys wears off too much, it's starting to get a bit dotty and at the price, who cares?
@@u2bear377 Yes. And then they weren't getting made, so I had to make Ebay purchases. I loved them, because my right thumb was getting arthritis at the age of 33 when I found they didn't aggravate it. And my wife used them as well. But they always seemed to have a limited lifetime. And then it got too hard to find working ones that weren't outrageous (I'm smart, but evidently not smart enough to notice a pattern in that it seems, so not smart enough), so I switched to Logitech. Being a thumb ball, that aggravated my arthritis again. Now I use the ELECOM HUGE trackball. I tried the wireless ones, but the wireless stopped working, and switched to the wired. Which my cats managed to destroy by knocking it off my desk. So far the Elecom works just like the MS one, and it's more configurable, so that I make it match the MS way. It has a scroll wheel that even works horizontally. Not that it's a feature I remember to use, lol.
its remarkable how much you care about quality of life features when you're building your software. i dont even have Logitech keyboard and there's no reason for me to use this, but I watched the video just to see how many different features you've added
Exactly I often remove extra LC or RC filter when I build for others
Don't worry. They will add that feature when they release the subscription mouse and keyboard with $4.99 per month unlocking that NumLock indicator feature alone.
She walked back the subscription-mouse but only until the scandal blows over, there's now way they actually abandoned the nonsense idea (other companies are trying to do subscription hardware too, like Apple who also tried to bury their subscription-hardware idea that didn't go over well… until they bring it back later).
the NumLock indicator only comes with Premium Plus, that's the next tier at $8.99 per month
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"I wanna keep it simple"
*14300 lines of code*
Seriously though, it's more polished than most keyboard software apps. Amazing work Joe
And that’s after I removed about 25% of redundant jank 💀
@ThioJoe 💀
To be fair when you publish something like this half of that it just the UI and half of the rest is signing and general janitoring to make sure windows doesn't freak out at it or think it's a virus.
So really it's 4000 lines that really does stuff.
But everyone knows lines of code is a completely irrelevant metric.
Logitech has become too big to care about their customers... Sooner or later, this attitude will come and bite them!
I get that they need to prioritize issues but come on 😩
Logitech has been lagging behind on the hardware front for years too. Even their most expensive keyboards lacked PBT doubleshot keycaps for a long time.
The result was that even on their premium keyboards the most widely used keys had a problem where the legend printed on the ABS keycap simply wore off.
Now they're finally starting to include PBT but they still lack hotswap switches and pre-lubed keys that are standard even on much cheaper keyboards from other manufacturers.
It already has - they discontinued the Marble Mouse, the one with the trackball in the center. I bought a Kensington instead.
😢
It already bit them. I opted out of Logitech for my keyboard this time.
Logitech: "It's not possible"
Steelseries: *Lights up your numlock when its on*
i love when an app wants you to go through the setting and gives you link to go there directly and not let you find it yourself and make you wander whether it is right or not
Ain't no Joe got time fo dat!
I own a Wooting. They added this feature (including NumLock inversion) to their software/firmware. So it's Logitech that just doesn't want to.
But most of the time, you buy the hardware, and don't consider software until you plug it in.
However as someone who is very particular with certain things, I think your tool is amazing (even if I have no use for it). So many actually useful options and even Command-line / "remote control" type of stuff!
I wish big companies software would be half this good!
I love your "fine. I'll do it myself" attitude with all the things.
Logitech dont let you keep the back light on with the MX Keys and its been requested for years on the Logitech website by thousands of people. They dont care.
Yeah you have to plug it in and it works temporarily, or you have to open it up and force it to stay on
It makes me unbelievably mad sometimes
They do allow it with the MX Keys S.. One of the main reasons why I changed.
@@un1tyNL You let them win 😢
@@Valla451 consumer protection/regret/warranty let them win. I bought a 915, didn't function like it should. Returned it twice for the same reason (debounce), got the Mx keys instead, worked perfectly apart from the lighting, MX keys S wasn't out yet at that time. So I bought the MX Keys S later.
If the US had the same consumer protection practices in place as the EU this wouldn't have been an issue.
They didn't want to make another outer shell to add another LED for battery, so they used the spot for the numlock one. I understand why they did it, but it still tiring seing cost cutting everywhere
Yea but they should implement a firmware solution which is better anyway
@ThioJoe Indeed. I've been using AuroraRGB to in a very similar way to your fix (And also use it for game integration things, so will keep using for the time being, but it's nice to have another option).
Did the cost actually got cut when buying
Of course not, are you mad? Profits before customers.
Especially when they charge HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS!
11:18 Simple?? I was expecting a little macro, etc. This is so above and beyond.
Featurecreepitis needs to be added to the DSM 6 so Joe and I and others can finally be diagnosed and treated with heavy meds so we can manage to actually finish projects on time (or ever). 😂
@@I.____.....__...__is overtweekia a symptom of featurecreepititus or is it a different disorder?
Watch Logitech patch this out in an upcoming firmware that disables the handshake with Windows Dynamic Lighting. 😭
They will get an earful from Microsoft if they do
I was not expecting ThioJoe to make a WinUI 3 app
Don’t expect another one 💀
Never buy stuff from that toxic company. The used to make amazing peripherals that worked flawlessly for years. Now most of it is made to quickly break (planned obsolescence)
As bad as Logitech is (now), at least they're not Razor. Razor is objectively the WORST. Their products are trash, their service is worse, and their software is just an abomination. 😠
Like Asus
Until someone makes a exact copy or better version of their g502 mouse I guess I'm stuck with them. My mx518 served me good 10 years I think until I dropped it off the couch one too many times and the cable just wouldn't work anymore. Then upgraded to g502 which served me good 7 years until it was so full of gunk and cleaning intervals started to be too small so bought another one. Now going on 3 years on the 3rd mouse. So mostly my logitech products has served me well.
They also removed the Print Screen Button on some Office Models like the K650 which is absolutely dumb...
Strongly suggest you just return it if you can. Lack of num lock is the smallest issue. Within a year, some keys will just stop working. Me and several friends has had the exact same problem (though with different keys). I really loved the keyboard until then, but now I've swore to never buy Logitech again.
This is the newer model so hopefully they fixed any such issues. Of course who knows
@@WithGreatReluctance i’ve had 0 issues with the OG G915 ever since i bought it.
Been using it for 2 years and works like a dream still!
@@MaxGamingLV Happy for you, and hope you'll never experience any issues with it! :)
But considering how many people have had issues with it, I will keep advicing against buying it for anyone who doesn't already own one.
I have a similar but different Logitech keyboard and I HATE it. The backlight doesn't work properly, I have to keep pressing it with different combinations until it decides to turn on (I really don't know why it doesn't just always turn on with a single press, why it keeps resetting the backlight mode; my cheap Reddragon keyboard is flawless for this 😒). But even worse, the keys are trash and won't press down correctly unless pressed properly perpendicular , they'll stick if pressed from a slight angle. It's like a primitive Rubik's cube that has zero corner-cutting! 🤦
Sorry to hear that. Have to say that I haven't had any issues with my G915, and I've had it for I believe ~4 years now. Maybe I got lucky?
However, I have to +1 that in terms of software, it does indeed feel like Logitech doesn't care. You do constantly run into little quality of life nuisances that people have documented broadly for years, and it's really frustrating when you actually like the hardware!
I'm considering replacing my super old keyboard so I'll save this video. Thanks.
Just… don’t buy a logitech keyboard…?
I was pleasantly surprised by the Sharkoon Skiller Mech SGK3 when I bought it, like 6 yrs ago.
And, Im still using it. (on linux = no problem) If you can find it, it might be worth a look.
Just get a royal kludge or keychron keyboard. Vastly better, customizable and cheaper.
@@20NBA01 Thank you. Noted
@@lycanthoss Thank you. I'll search that
Not just a problem with that keyboard. I have a G513 Linear keyboard and there is no numlok light indicator. I hate how the so called cheap keyboards have this feature but not a higher end keyboard.
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I can confirm that this isn't unique to Hyper V. Virtual Box does this too, and even worse, it stays off even when you switch to another window. I can't tell you how many times I've reached to press numpad zero to restart a TH-cam video, only to have it do nothing because num lock is off. IDK about other virtual machine software though. I don't use VMWare that much, since it's less intuitive than VBox. If anyone else can say other VM software that does this, LMK.
My logitech g915 has a weird issue with windows 11 where i have to disable a service provided by logitech. Cause it keeps turning the rgb off randomly
Oh finally! Thank you, Joe! Now Logitech needs make a built-in function, but you did good for what you could do.
Yea they need it built into the firmware 😫
4:28 unfortunately it also blocks the key input until your application finishes running. so if for some reason your app slows down, TYPING itself ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE on windows slows down
I don’t think that’s true 🤔 that’s the case for the hotkey API and maybe the low level keyboard hook which is not what is used here
Logitech K270 also does not have a num lock indicator. K480 lacks both num lock and caps lock indicator.
Logitech Media Keyboard 500, a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay old product, have them. (It's wired though)
Damn, those indicators have proper reason to exist.
logitech never listens
It's not just Logitech, it's pretty much all companies these days. They provide a way to provide feedback but universally ignore user-feedback and just do whatever crap they want, making unnecessary and unwanted changes that make things worse and worse and force it on users. This is why I stopped contributing to Chrome and then stopped using it altogether (and why I'm frustrated that I have no choice but to use Firefox whose devs are no better than the Chrome devs). 😕
I mean, they should just have numlock on at all times. What's the purpose of getting a keyboard with a numpad and not even use it? Just get a keyboard without numpad if you don't want to use it.
There's no reason the numpad should be off at all in keyboards that support them. Plain and simple, no more issues.
Home, Up arrow, Page up, Left arrow, Right arrow, End, Down arrow, Page down:
Funny how i have the same mice but the LED profiles cannot remember the ones in the Onboard Memory Manager.
Interestingly enough, it's actually very common in many keyboards with both wired and wireless versions that in the wireless version, they change the Num Lock light to a battery light.
You are the MVP! I really like some Logitech products, like my K600 for my TV, but this is really ridiculous. I heavily use the numpad for work, and the indicator is mandatory. In fact I solved too in my VMs what you mentioned about the default state of the numlock.
You're AWESOME Thio !!! Merry Xmas and a happy new year 🎊🎊🎊
What mouse pointer do you use? Please tell me!!!
Just the default one 🤔 Though camtasia might replace it for the screen recording
Why not obs
Way kewl Joe! 🎄
As a TKL user I never knew this issue was a thing
Do you know of a good alternative for the GHUB software on windows to set custom keys for logitech devices?
Sadly Logitech decided to drop support for older devices which are still working perfectly fin, but you now need to run even more bloatware to make everything work. :(
You could try their “logitech onboard memory manager”. Maybe an older version of it if the newer versions don’t work. It doesn’t require installation
@@ThioJoe Yes that's true. As you know - having custom keymaps for different programs is just too convinient.😅
Had the numlock randomly be disabled on both laptops and desktops never been able to find a solution to stop it. I can go months without issue then it will happen very annoying little bug.
That’s another very useful app. I’m impressed. A possible (optional) extension could be to also change the colour of the entire numbers block, to indicate the changed mode. It’s something I would use, but have no idea, how popular it would be. Cheers.
PS: Microsoft should consider to include this app with power toys, as they regularly feature open source projects (or work based on them) in there. Imo they should integrate this functionality into Windows as an option for all coloured lighting keyboards. The reason being, that it can be useful even when a hardware indicator is present, because some of them just are very small, too dim or even in awkward places, where they can be obscured by keys or your hand (e.g. between the arrow keys and the home, delete etc. block).
big thank you to your effort! this is amazing, super clean and clear UI, nothing is useless, logictech should pay you for your effort. Also, i cant believe how many problems are still with all these company, sigh..
Once again, Theo to the rescue. Thanks so much for the video! :)
One of your better videos, which is saying something since your videos are always informative.
I was already mentally drafting the perfect PR to add an advanced tab and go all out with full customizability-only to hear 'No pull requests!' just seconds later. 😂
Amazing work man, keep up the good work 🌹
Love it! Been suffering with this for years now lol...
I know you said not to, BUT I would love if there was an option to change the color of all of the numkeys instead of only the numlock key :P
I’ve thought about that actually, might add it eventually
I have a different Logitech keyboard that's a similar physical layout. It does have the lock-key LEDs, but they're hidden back at the edge of the keyboard behind the height of the keys, so they're only visible if you're sitting completely upright. Whenever I'm slumped down in my chair, I can't see them. 😒 I'm sick of mfgs/devs only accounting for their own personal ways instead of thinking of users' various styles and such. 🤦
I don't like what keyboard manufacturers in general have been doing the last decade or more. They've more and more ignored the long established standard keyboard layout. The only way you can find a standard keyboard anymore is to try to find the cheapest keyboard you can find, and even then they've started replacing keys with Fn or something, or just removing rarely used/seemingly redundant keys entirely. Like seriously, with a $50-$100 plus keyboard, how expensive is it to add a few extra physical keys? I'd rather have an extra key or two somewhere than have the keys I need/want missing. I realize I'm not the majority of people and my use case is unusual, but it's very frustrating when even the cheapest keyboard manufacturers are getting on the bandwagon and messing with the layout. Or when they /do/ add physical keys it's those god awful power/sleep/wake keys that they always put right where you can accidentally press them and put your computer to sleep with no way to disable them without disabling the power/sleep buttons on the case as well. If there was /ever/ a case for having buttons need to hold a modifier key to use it'd be power/sleep if they're not put like tucked away in an unused corner. And I'm not sure the point of a wake key since generally /any/ key will wake a computer unless it's disabled. I don't know if a wake key functions even then?
Joe presses NUMLOCK key multiple times, computer: num num num num! 😉💙
Can I use a preset lighting(colour wave) with Logitech keyboard(G213) without G HUB running in the background. Because whenever I exit the application it is reverting to default lighting(colour cycle)
You might be able to use the Windows dynamic lighting for that if it’s supported. But not at the same time as my app
@@ThioJoe I run Win 10, so Dynamic Lighting is not there. My keyboard has a light indicator for all the locks. I was just curious if there was a way to somehow set the lighting I want without keeping G HUB running in the background.
I have a similar stupid issue with a Logitech keyboard, I have their MX Keys backlit keyboard and I bought it purposely for being able to see my keyboard while it's dark when watching movies. But it has this annoying "Ambient Light Sensor" that actually would be a pretty cool option, but you cannot deactivate this feature, all I want is when the wireless keyboard is switched on the backlight is on, that's all. I have contacted Logitech and they are useless, I feel on a $200 AUD keyboard that this simple function should be standard but they said to me directly that they will not pass my issue on to the technical team but will note my complaint...
2:01 Great video, thanks Theo!
I love these low profile keyboards and after trying a few (including the logitech 915 I found that the razer huntsman is the best one by far (switches, key caps, quality, software, etc)
It allows you to easily swap the low profile optical switches to other ones from keychron (I bought a few sets and found that banana switches are the best for me)
I was hoping you were having the same issue as me, but then I've got the cheapest wireless Logitech keyboard they sell.
I used to have a keyboard without a numpad but with a numlock, which would turn some of the regular keys on the right side of the keyboard into a janky numpad. Every time the computer rebooted, the numlock would automatically get turned on, which caused my log in to fail because my password would have some of the letters replaced with numbers. It was incredibly frustrating, especially the first time when I repeatedly typed my password in slowly and carefully and had no idea why it was being rejected.
I was researching about this keyboard for a couple of months now. and that was one of my concerns thanks alot.
Thanks for this app. I have a Logitech keyboard, and this is a feature I've wanted for a long time.
I absolutely LOVE their G815/915 boards (as well as the TKL ones). These are some of the NICEST boards.
MY biggest gripe is they don't have the special or secondary characters illuminated. I work in the dark. And it's SO PAINFUL to remember it.
I used to turn off NumLock in the bios in the 1990s because I'd use the numlock cursor keys as default for movement in games, but now that WASD is the current meta, I need, I repeat, NEED (hence why I never buy a short keyboard) proper numberpad keys for data input on excel. SO MUCH FASTER.
I have the Logitech K360 keyboard. It doesn't have any indicator lights but every time I push the num Lock button it shows the status of the Num Lock on the monitor through a pop up. I wish they would add that feature for the caps lock button.
Agreed! The other problem with their wireless keyboard is that the running macro's will STOP once the keyboard goes in sleep mode from inactivity. And there's no way to keep the macro running or stop the inactivity check. These wireless keyboards try to imitate the real thing as if wired but it's just badly engineered.
On Windows 10 I use the Ease of Access option that triggers an audible high pitch beep for On and lower pitch for Off on Caps, Num, and Scroll lock. That's native to Windows and surely also there in Windows 11. Would that be a better/simpler/safer mechanism (turn that on and find what triggers that behavior as the thing to monitor) vs. your solution? It's called "Use Toggle Keys"
For VM's that may not work as well potentially though.
My personal favorite feature of the G915 is the bowing. Saw one in a store a couple days ago that was bowed and warped so heavily in the middle that one of the feet didn't make contact anymore and it wobbled around on their counter if you typed on it 🤪Every G915 I've seen in stores had that issue. I always wanted one but when I heard about this issue I was glad I didn't buy it.
For now I use an Epomaker EK68. Being able to customize (and later fix) it with hotswap switches is nice and it doesn't even have a number block, so I don't have to worry about the numlock key! 🙃 Though it does exactly what you did here, caps lock does light up in a different color when I press it.
I have Logitech K380 which has this fn+tab as screenshot shortcut.
The problem is its pretty common key combination for me to misclick when I dont need to and there is no way to disable it. Even in their logitech app.
When raised issue to logitech, after 8 days of back and forth, they said its not possible. Like give your shortcuts in f12 keys, dont mess up below keys ever.
And in their TnC of the logitech keyboard app, they put that they check your key presses and can do analysis on them, so then I got an asus keyboard, runs well without any app.
Where is stephen white's comment with audio answer
On linux I just remapped my keyboard so it no longer has a non-numlocked state. If any software attempts to unset numlock, the call fails because the new keyboard definition doesn't support that function.
Wow, missing a feature that literally every cheap keyboard (that has a numpad) from the last decades has
To me, it _might_ be related to the design ethos placing the indicator lights on the button itself. Old keyboards reserved a space in the corner to collect all the indicator lights in one spot -- space which now gets allocated to ancillary specialized functions (power/volume controls, etc) instead.
Maybe i am weird, but i have never had a problem with the lack of a num lock light on my Logitech wireless keyboard. The key to turn it on is in a very convenient place, so, if it goes off, just tap the num lock key. Is it really thst difficult?
something else I don't like is: the G app lets you remap keys, as long as the only keys you want to remap are the FUNCTION keys. the only reason I got the 700 model is because it takes up a little less space on the desk without the numpad, but it has the home insert page up page down key cluster, that combined with the key remapping utility should have allowed me to remap those keys into a numpad... but the remapping utility only remaps the function keys. I'm also not too impressed with the way the backlighting customization utility works... it's better than nothing, but it assumes I only want to use it with games, and then the rest of the time it's just accent lighting, but being able to change the backlighting of specific keys is useful for any program, not just games
This is cool. I did something very similar but with a small icon overlay for active apps using your microphone that changes via the same hotkeys. It's dumb, but works for anything so it's better dumb than not. I found this video really interesting!
All I really want Logitech to make is a G Pro keyboard with a numpad, dedicated media keys, and dedicated Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, and Num Lock indicators. I know some of their other keyboards have most of those features, but I hate the slim keycaps with a burning passion.
I had this KB for 3-4yrs now. My one issue is how sharp the edges are.
I cut my fingers 3x already, that's once a year!
I tried filing the edges to make it smooth
I am a Logitech K375s user. There are 3 leds on the entire keyboard, and they are used to help changing / programming up the 3 devices the keyboard can connect. No caps/num/scroll lock led. Very annoying.
Everyone has their favorite keyboard, my regular is a k400r, battery life and typing speed are my main concern, I have to change the batteries once a year or less and I've actually had batteries that have outlasted the keyboard, even with hundreds of thousands of key presses it only sips power
I used an RGB program called Aurora with my G910 to impliment Even more than this.
Turning on Num lock not only turns it Orange (from blue) but turna ALL AFFECTED KEYS orange too.
Same with Caps Lock,
I also used it to make An analog clock on my keyboard where the Hour shows up in red on my F1-F12 Row. Escape turns red for PM, and Each of the F1-12 keys lights up orange to indicate 5 minute increments towards the hour. the G6-G9 Macro keys light orange to indicate 1 minute parts of the current 5
So for example at present 6:48AM F6 is red, F1-F9 are orange (45 Minutes) and G6-G8 are Orange to indicate 3 additional minutes.
Also on the 15-30 and 45 Min marks the minutes turn Magenta. On the hour for 5 seconds the leters that form the hour flash red (ONE, TWO, THRE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVN, EIGHT, NIE, TEN, ELVN, TWELV)
Also if you turn on Scroll lock a Green "Second hand" flashes overtop of the Hours and Minutes Displaying the seconds in the same manner as the minutes.
I also created it such that on my birthday for 1 hour starting at the exact time of my birth the letters HAPY BIRTD Light up in Rainbow colours.just because I could.
the problem i have with keyboards, or should i say windows 11.. sometimes I hit keys and it disables normal function of the letters, the bad thing is I cant figure out what I am hitting or how to restore the keyboard back to normal.. ugh..
There are software indicators, you could put it near the clock on the tray. (Well, you will still have the issue inside Hyper-V machines. The BIOS default is NUM LOCK OFF. You could change the default BIOS, wondering if that's possible or maybe you can configure it on the machine config page?) - but sure, it would make sense to have an indicator on the keyboard. Wondering if you could configure the background color of a key (if it has one and programmable, well...) based on NUM LOCK setting's value.
Just a though from the Glasses Smurf. The icon used for the "Undo Changes" button looks like a Redo icon for me. A Counterclockwise icon should be more appropriated. Otherwise your application is perfect and overkills its purpose by far!
Logitech: "It's not possible"
ThioJoe: changes the color using Windows tools.
@6:20 my Windows 11 Pro 23H2 settings does not give me the options for Dynamic Lighting Key Indicator. I only see: Dynamic Lighting Background Controller & Armoury Crate?
Have you installed the package?
@ yes, I had installed the package.
This was excellent. Thank you :)
I have a G-510s that has a numlock icon that lights up on the keyboard
The fact that people had this issue for years says a lot about Logitech's desire to make products to for their user's needs.
That you saw the issue and created an app to fix it says a lot about Logitech's desire to rest on their laurels.
Logitech has started a long slide to the bottom. Here's to hoping they recognize it and start climbing back up before it's too late.
I assume this means you can't use your custom freestyle lighting settings at the same time? I have my keys colour coordinated, but I would love more features (the most popular open source app I tried never worked properly and was confusing to setup).
There use to be a pop up message that came up on the screen whenever Num Lock or Caps Lock was pressed, telling you the status, whatever happened to that?
Not really related to this vid. But your middle click jump to open folder program is like a gift that keeps on giving this Christmas :)
0:32 ROTFL @ stock footage of number pad frustration! LOL!!
Nice work 🙏
I have owned a Logitech G915 since 2021, its the keyboard I use on my main desktop. Never once found it an issue not having a numlock indicator. If the numpad doesn't work as I expect, I press the num key and move on
I feel like this is a video for non gamers who use keyboards like this outside of gaming for work because they like the sound and feel of a mechanical keyboard and probably for the RGB lighting. I use mine occasionally with my tablet for typing comments.
@@PinkAgaricus I use the numpad for work, I also use it when gaming. I am left handed, and I have always used the numpad and arrow keys on a full sized keyboard for movement and action keys with my right hand, I use the mouse with my left hand.
So it is very important to me that the numpad works as intended and in the correct mode for my ability to use it without issue.
With the G915, I have never missed having a numlock indicator.
I was wondering when I saw the keyboard what the problem is since i have a similar one. But it turns out that I have the wired version that does have the num and caps indicators, though it is still lacking the scroll lock indicator.
Razer keyboards make a loud audible BEEP when pressing NumLock. Low pitch 'Boop' for off, high pitch 'Beep' for on. You can make it go Beep, Boop, Beep, Boop, Beep, Boop. Yes I'm easily entertained, but I believe it only does that when you have the Razer Central/Cortex software running since the audio is played though your main audio output. It also has a numlock light too, but it's not RGB, like the rest of theq keyboard.
I just did something similar with my keyboard, but I was able to modify the firmware directly since it is based off of QMK.
Gotta love open source!
It’s been a while… but I’m back
Welcome back to the shitshow
thanks :3
@@ThioJoewhy shitshow specifically
@@ThatWindowsGuy488actually that’s a good question
I really wish Num lock Caps lock and Scroll lock (even if its useless today) had been hardware switches back when they where first invented. Instead of a caps lock buttion it would be a hardware switch. instead of a light telling you if its on or off you have the switch telling you if its on or off
I have the same keyboard, have had for about 2 years now. While I do see that there is no indicator when num lock is on or off, for me this hasn't been a problem. I mainly game with mine.
A new key issue to fix on the horizon exists with “co-pilot” computers: the right ctrl key is replaced by the co-pilot key. No more using the ctrl key on the right side of the keyboard! I wonder how many of us will need to un-learn 30 years of muscle memory there.
*sigh* Another new “feature” to fix…
Lol at first I thought it was a retro Commodore keyboard 😂 that new Logitech logo certainly seems to be inspired by them!
My G915 has the 3 lock lights, but they are really close and all the same color, so when it is darker in the room, I can't tell which lock is on.
The real problem mine has is that the RGB leds have failing colors.
I won't be buying another Logitech product after this.
Same I turn on numb pad for a reason I hate Logitech for that there's totally enough room for a light indicator
THANK YOU!! I Have a G512 wired and it doesn't have a numlock light. I literally pinned calculator to the task bar just to test it every time I reboot. I like the keyboard, but I don't need a gamelock light OVER a numlock light... Thank you sir.
Any profiling data on how much latency to a keypress?
Now I am glad I didn’t get one with num pad. But I still miss it.
I actually have the g515 tkl and I liked how finaly Logitech funkin updated the windows key to windows 11
How to fix the issue in Kubuntu Linux? 😢😢😢
2 minutes and 25 seconds.... You're my favorite TH-camr, and I would love to fix your shirt (there's a tiny hole)
bro flexes his membership everytime.
@TuxikCE To be honest, I don't.
Not as bad as the keyboards that don't have a right-click key.
Do you know when windows 12 will announce?
Nope