Porsche 718 Cayman S - 5 things I "hate" about my car
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It's common knowledge ( fir anyone over 40 at least) that you dont engage 1st gear unless you stop completely...
Thats correct
I am under 40 and I have learned this... but I learned this in my motorcycle class.
Imagine telling people don’t do whatever is causing an issue because they are wrong and cars that are cheaper don’t do this. Don’t be a fan boy. You’re sounding like a Tesla owner. If they didn’t want you shifting into first gear while moving they could easily tune the trans to not let you do that. It’s literally that simple. They didn’t so that should tell you something.
Usually there's no first gear synchro, so you just need to rev it up a little to slip it into first smoothly. But on the PDK thats a different story.
I’m 30 was looking at 1
1. 2:40 the "OFf" display in the climiate control IMO is a non-issue
2. 3:55 clunky first gear downshift on PDK, is a legit concern, not a big problem though, could get the stick
3. 5:34 Ride quality can be improved with PASM, 18" wheels, and the 2-way sport plus or 18-way sport plus seats
4. 7:19 Grey rev counter is terrible and can't be scene, get it in a different color, black is the best for visibility, grey is the worst. I prefer the yellow
5. 9:10 - yep never get the 14-way seats, he 2-way / 18-way sport plus seats have more padding. If I see a used 718 with the 14-way seats I look away
Rennlist, 718forum, and Nick Murray's channels great sources of information
yuppers...3, 4, & 5 are mentioned on Nick's channel. He always recommends sports plus seats (2 way or 18 way). Both are better than the 14 way or the basic 2 way regular seats.
Should you even be downshifting into first gear? Whats with these pdks? Theres no neutral?
@@fxlltxtsearch Yeah, should think of the PDK as a stick shift with paddles. You never downshift into 1st in a manual, so why would you in a PDK?
@@dwftube exactly
whats pasm
My guess as to the reason why the "OFf" display in the climate control is the way it is, is that the last digit "f" is responsive to the temperature when the A/C is on, for example, "79f" or "26c" as in "Fahrenheit" and "Celsius". I guess Porsche thought it would look even weirder if the degree type was a capital letter, for example, "79F". I'm wondering what would display if the weather were over 100F (37C).
The 2nd F doubles as Farenheight. So when the ac is on you’ll see 72F
Stop cappin, no it doesn’t. Celsius or Fahrenheit, the climate display only shows the temp numbers.
I have the 18 way adjustable. Tightening up the side bolsters to fully support my lower back fixed the problem for me.
I drove from Annapolis MD to The Gulf Coast of Alabama when I purchased my 718. A trip of about 1100 + miles. I also have the 14 way seats and experienced zero issues with them. My previous P car was a 2008 Cayman S and drove it thousands of miles without any comfort issues.
I am 5’-10 158 lbs , so again, maybe it is a body type issue.
Nice video,
Take Care
Shift into neutral coming to stop. Don’t use downshift as braking. Cheaper to fix brakes than transmission.
you can see when using the thermostat the second f is also used for Fahrenheit which is why it is permanently small
Heads up if you haven’t experienced it yet: in cold weather, if you make a sharp turn starting from standstill, you will feel it “hopping”. This is also completely normal for Porsche. It’s the Ackerman effect.
100%, and the ONLY annoying thing in my Cayman… don’t get the clunky first gear thing or seats at all and I’m 6’3”!
I had harsh ride on my Cayman S 19” wheels with Pirelli tyres. So I switched to 18” wheels with OEM plus fitment on Michelin tyres and the Cayman is so smooth to drive now.
I’ll have to give that a try, thanks for the advice!!
@@DriveMore718 The Base comes with 18” wheeels and is way more comfortable. I had 19” wheels on my Boxster and they were ok However the 20” wheels look great but are the worst for smoother driving. You can change the wheels to 18” wheels and you’ll se a huge difference from the 20” wheels. My friend got 18” Boxster rims from EBay :for his Boxster because he hated the ride with the 20” ones.
I’d rather trade styling for a slightly better ride. The base 18”/19” wheels are so dang plain they look like they belong on an econo car. I have the same 20” Carrera S wheels as OP and love them.
literally my dream car, going to buy this in 5 years hold me to it boys
You saving your money bro?
Good video! 718 GTS owner here. Even with manual transmissions, you don't hit first gear until you have stopped because that puts stress on it. Love that you went with the Brimbo red brakes... the step up is an $8600 option which is crazy. I think the S or base model is better as a daily driver than my car. I agree about the seats. They get painful!
Agree completely first is your starting gear only, no reason to downshift in the first while you're moving
@@ajc5370 With a PDK, you just let it take over. I have had a brake problem on one of my cars and had to downshift on my way to auto shop. Manual ebrake versus electronic is far safer. They should bring those back.
I have a 2015 Boxster GTS. It has pasm and the 18 way seats. I am 5’ 9” and it is comfortable. However i did swap out the 20” wheels for 19” wheels, sacrifice a bit on performance but enhance comfort. A three hour drive is fine, very comfortable.
By the way, I was told this by a driving instructor at the Porsche Driving /Experience Center in Atlanta. I was downshifting to first stopping and he said shift into neutral coast to stop than start in first after stopping. It’s easier on transmission and engine and it’s cheaper to fix brakes than transmission in a Porsche!😊👍🏻. If you can afford a few hundred bucks that Porsche driving school is fantastic! You can pick your car and an instructor drives with you as passenger giving you tips. I picked a similar car you have several years ago- 718 S Boxster. Great car to drive!
well, I never learn or drive automatic transimmision, and on the older cars I started to drive it was 'forbidden' to use 1st shift to ride except starting movement. so this habbit stays with me and I never use 1st gear to stop. I have brakes for it. so I think the problem with 1rs gear is not in transmission but between seat and steering wheel...
OP is talking about PDK here... not MT.
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My dad taught me to drive standard in 1980 and he told me EXACTLY the same thing. Do NOT down shift into first. Shift into neutral and coast/brake to a stop on the basis that "brakes are way cheaper than a new clutch."
just got my 2023 boxster, the AC is automatically turned on and i haven't found a way to keep it off during engine start, so annoying
Who changes into first before you’re at a complete stop?
Does the ride quality have anything to do with the large rims? I have a 718 Cayman with 20 inch rims and I have a feeling that is what is causing the issue with the ride quality. There is not enough tire cushion between the wheel and the road, because of the super low profile tires.
Sure, if you want better confort you should to buy a small wheels and more tire cushion.
seats also have an impact. Sports plus seats provide more cushion than the standard two way/14 way seats.
@@jazu_tv big wheels look cool though
From my research, sport plus seats + PASM + 18” rims make for a comfortable ride in 718s.
I've heard the same thing. I've gotten use to the ride now, I installed the HR springs and it actually feels better now somehow.
@@DriveMore718 do you have link for that hr?
@@user-tl2qh3iq2q I got them here flat6motorsports.com/products/h-r-sport-springs-718-cayman-boxster?_pos=1&_sid=4539eb9a6&_ss=r
Picked up my 718 in March and the following week I drove it from Melbourne to Adelaide (Australia), a trip of about 7 hours. Had no problems whatsoever with the standard seats and neither did my wife. However, I am 5’6”, so maybe it comes down to body type. Agree the ride is firm, but that’s the price we pay for the flat cornering. I found road noise an issue, but I’ll learn to live wit that.
That’s awesome, love it when people put road trip miles on these car. Road trip miles are the best miles! Yeah, I’m a bit on the bulkier size so maybe that’s why but I’m learning to live with it. Yeah road noise is pretty loud but I just turn the music up a bit and that solves that problem!
@@DriveMore718 “ Putz “
@@DriveMore718 You need a manual “
I am 6‘2 and i never had a problem
These are all spot on. I have the same spec/color. The OFf is silly. The 2nd to 1st shift definitely has a "clunk". For me, the little cubbies behind the seats take near acrobatic like skills to get into. Also, my auto start/stop seems to always be disabled (which I like), but makes me wonder if a previous owner programed it out. Otherwise its a great car! Great videos!
Glad to hear I’m not the only one, happy you liked the video. I’m doing the APR tune next week and that has the auto start/stop disabling feature, I’m looking forward to that the most! 😂
I have never thought shifting to 1ST gear was advantageous, if anything, just the opposite. The 981 2015 Cayman I owned was very 'comfy' so can't help you there. The seats were quite firm, but not to their determent. Clear view to the dash gauges, check. I traded for a 911 and of course, their OFF marker on the air conditioning reads like yours OFf and I don't find that a problem at all. I'd bet there is a reason for it, so will keep my eyes open. Good luck...
My 991.2 PDK makes some noise when in auto and coming to a full stop. I really haven't noticed any problems, but the noise is a concern sometimes. brought it to the dealer and they told me I need to drive it more... lol
Befoore he even start about the review he starts complaining about the echo in the garage, sun, ants, his phone dropped i mean he is complaining about everything that i dont trust in this 5 things
How’s the manual transmission in this style car?????
The AC display in my 981 has the small F also.
Weird... must be a heritage thing if Porsche does that on all the cars. I want to go see if the 992 has a small f too.
Sorry about the phone, probably small "f" cus digital display for 2 numbers for temp, small number for half degrees maybe? ... like 98.5 degrees
I love my 718S and I have NEVER had a problem with the seat! Wow.
Thanks for the honest review…seats being comfortable is very important to me…I wonder if this is the same
Issue for 911 owners?
Never had an issue with the first gear. I would go to have it checked to another dealership because I think they are full of it.
I talked to a few people on the forums and they all seem to have the same issue. What year is your car?
@@DriveMore718 2018.
Must be a 718 issue with the clucking my 981 PDK doesn’t do it, if you think your ride is stiff you should try the X73 suspension, ohhh but does it hug the road.
🤔 I live in LA and long driving I turn heated seat to loosen lower back muscles. I’m 5’10 you look 6ft above maybe not the most comfortable for bigger guys. Lol my BF this weekend told me during long commute from LA to Oc the seats are amazing! All personal preferences. Yup! I also have (PSM) 😁 it’s primarily weekend car for me. Corolla for for all week 😆
The first gear clunk is probably the speed protector so you can't put it in there by accident at high speed. I've noticed that on a few cars and my BMW 1200 GS motorcycle.
How tall are you, i wonder if height plays a roll for seating
As far as the seats, I have the Sports Plus seats.They are very comfortable for short and long drives.
do you have the seat ventilation? heard they’re more stiff, than without.
I drove 7h in 981 Boxster normal seats, no issues 🤷♂️
I got the transmission issue like you in first gear in my 2014 Cayman S. Though it does it even when the car shifts.
Yeah I’ve heard from other 981 owners that the gearbox does that even by itself. I think they refined the 718 PDK a bit more but it still happens. As long as it’s not broken then I’m happy, I’ll put up with a first gear clunk because the car is absolutely amazing.
1) OFf is German ingenuity. 2) 718 should be manual transmission 3) Get H&R springs and 18" wheels 4) Replace the tach dial with aftermarket 5) Sport Plus seats are a must option (or aftermarket SPARCO)
no pdk better faster and more torque.........
it’s OFf because in markets that use Celsius, there are half degree increments. 21.0 21.5 22.0. The smaller 0 and 5 indicate the half degree instead of a decimal point. Hence, the display formatting is 2 larger digits and one small digit.
anybody going to point out how this guy has the WORST LUCK EVER? xD
first he gets a major sun burn, then he drops and shatters his phone, then he gets eaten alive by ants, and his first gear is all wonky lol hes having a really bad day but he smiles through it all lol
The difficulty in resetting the Maintenance light after oil change unless you have an expensive scan tool. Also there is no dipstick to check and look at the condition of the oil.
Great review. Even the 718 is just not an adequate GT car. Have you driven the Macan for an extended period?
Appreciate your honest opinion. A comfortable driver seat is important on those long drives.
what year is you car ?
Bro , what's the max ground clearance of this car
PASM makes it even harder.
PASM has a comfort setting that makes the ride quality much softer. But your right, you can also make the car stiffer in the sport setting with PASM. My car doesn’t have the option so it’s stiff all the time.
The seats that have factory cooling are less comfortable. I think there is a plastic manifold of sorts in the seat. don't get the cooled seats unless you really need them.
I'm going to have to see if mine clunks. I've never noticed that.
I'm starting to get a few people telling me that isn't normal, I might have another dealer check it out.
@@DriveMore718 you said its when you downshift to first right? When I'm showing down and coasting to a stop I typically put the car in neutral. You can do this by pulling on both paddle shifters at the same time. I'm rarely in first more that a few seconds.
I've driven manual vehicles for over 30 years and never thought to shift down to 1st gear while stopping or slowing down. Like why?
It’s more of a track thing, if you’re tracking the car and come into a hairpin turn then you usually go into first to keep the power out of the turn. If I put the car in sport + mode it automatically slams it into first even if I’m just driving normal. I’ve had a a lot of people ask me about this but I think it’s people that don’t race the cars or have never driven a Porsche on the track.
@@DriveMore718 gotcha! I'll have one soon enough. 😉
great video! been between this an m2c and a supra for a while now, but leaning towards a 718! Although this new 400z is quite appealing loool
The 20" tires are very noisy, especially on a long trip on concrete roads that are a little beat up.
I have a 2020 Macan S, which unlike the Base Model, also has a grey background rev counter. You are the first owner that has voiced the same complaint. In bright light it gets completely washed out. WHY WHY WHY, didn't any of the engineers drive this car on a sunny day ???
The cause of the display disparity is probably the build of the display itself. Imagine, if you will, construction of the seven-segment display. It's a collection of LED lights; not a pixelated screen. Then, imagine sticking a bunch of those little LED lights that make up the 7 segments of different sizes and shapes in a coordinated, consolidated collection that makes up the entire screen you see with temp, right and left, then the fan speed indicator bars. Each is a single LED, simplifying the overall system complexity. The third digit LED's probably wouldn't fit due to conflicting with other individual lights. Either that, or maybe they're shared with another, unseen in your example, display of other information. Either way, it's the simple build of the component that's causing that issue IMO. Thanks for the tough fought video. Sorry about your phone... Cheers from Charlotte
i have the sports plus seats with sport tec seats, so comfy
The only thing I don’t like are the cup holders! 😂. I don’t notice anything wrong when down shift to 1st gear!
Unless you're in Sports Plus it usually won't go to 1st. Also, don't manually shift into 1st....
How much you pay for the 718s? Greetings from Peru! 🚀🚀🚀
I have no idea why people are downvoting this video. It is HIS car, and HIS opinion. Fanboys need to calm down.
Good video man !!
Thank you man, I appreciate it!
Every Cayman I have driven has had a ridiculously stiff ride, and uncomfortable seats. Still love em though.
1) who cares 2) Get a manual 3) listen to the sound of the engine to shift 4) get coilovers which you can adjust stiffness from track to street 5) buy race seats that will fit you like a glove
The little “f” is for Fahrenheit. And the numbers are bigger than the display spot for the “f”.
Just wanted to tell everyone he had a porsche hahahaha
Good video! PASM and 6 speed Manual:-)
PASM is the way to go with these cars... my next Porsche will have PASM for sure!
2:51 - Well, I guess you have to throw this car straight in the trash can, haha!
Your comment actually made me laugh 😂 thanks for watching!
718 S, drove 16hrs (900-ish miles) over 2 days and no complaints on seats or suspension.
Standard suspension (no PASM), but 18 way seats and its's all about finding your perfect adjustment.
😂 surprisingly got 32mpg on this trip; great commuter!
Do you still own the 718 by any chance? If so I’d like to make a cash offer on it! Thank you for the consideration!
I love ur car man! ❤️
Thanks Alan!
If the suspension is to hard then the fix is easy. It is just the key. Next morning don’t grab to the porsche key but take instead the buik key.
To be clear...the instructor is the passenger, while you do the diving at the Porsche driving school.
As far as im aware All duall clutch transmissions have a clunky first gear..ie-volkswagon/audi/vag,, nissan/gtr, porsche, The only way to too eliminate the lower gear clunk is by shifting with more load on the gears....(j have found if i want too have a clean shift down to first or second by downshifting at either a higher rpm or by braking harder(more load) and that tends too eliminate clunk 100%///or in the cars auto shift mode case it will slow down the gear change(release the clutch slower. (Try understanding that it is 100% just a manual that is automated.) if u shift fast in a manual at a low load its very clunky. But if u shift slow its much smoother
The Super Sport Plus seats are fantastic. Way more comfortable than my S3.
I currently have an 8Y S3. nappa seats are amazing! do you have the 2-way or 18? and are they ventilated? staring the 718 ordering process soon!
@@stealthhtm23 I had the upgraded S3 seats with the quilted leather. They were good, but the two way Super Sport Plus seats are on another level.
@@zryhmer how’s the lumbar support with the 2-way Sport Plus seats. is there any at all? concerned about the lower back, without having any adjustability
@@stealthhtm23 for me, it’s good, but I sit more upright. The lumbar support in the 12 or 18 way is adjustable.
@@zryhmer yes, of course. but I was wondering if the 2-way had any lumbar support at all. unfortunately the closest P dealer is 4 hours away, so can’t just pop in and try them out lol
your seats make you off your car every one hour and that is a good thing.
dont forget reason 3, this car is made for european roads which are perfect, ofcourse u will feel more bumps in the US. corvettes are american and made for your roads, but they feel loose in EU roads because its not as stiff as the 718. so yea depends on the country
Uncomfortable seats are not acceptable.
I’ve never downshifted into first in my life.
Hmm, and he’s not coming after you? He must have a thing about women understanding the concept of how a manual works;) lol
its mkaes me feel better to know that im not the only one who drives with a pillow underneath his back
i changed my mind about thisbcar:)
PASM bro. If you buy a sport car and still want to have comfort, consider to upgrade suspensions and get the adjustable ones like the PASM. I have it on my 718 and it s a game changer.
You mentioned other sport cars being comfortable. Could give exemples please? Thanks.
Change the seats out get comfortable.
It's a awesome car and$$$
Hihi I suggest you try out a m3/m5 if you think that's stiff. Greetings from germany.
just 3 mins. we listen you gonna will say what you hate 5 thing about your Porsche, yes i got my popcorn and i will sacrifice all my days to watch your beautiful video. thank you :) I'm just kidding.
This video feels similar to saying that your biggest weakness is that you work too much during an interview
Isn’t the little F for Fahrenheit?
Why did it take more than 2 minutes to start the list? I don’t give a crap about a sunburn you got shooting another video.
Is the phone damaged due to the car? No - Who cares about your broken phone or what kind of phone you will replace it with?
I own a 718 Cayman since 2019, and I have driven it 25k miles so far. I don’t experience the 1st gear clunk because I have the manual tranny. Your complaint about the ride quality is total BS. This is a sports car, so it is supposed to handle like a sports car. If you want a soft ride, get a Cadillac or a BMW.
You should have spent more $ to get the seats with extra bolstering on the sides. My seats only have the manual adjustments but they are the most comfortable seats I have ever experienced in my 45 years of driving.
I totally agreed. He should have got the 6 speed unless he doesn't know how to drive a manual? For a car like to Cayman, I would ALWAY get a manual. As for the rest of his complains, it is all nip picking and doesn't affect what this car is actually build for. Who care if that's a small f. It is a driver's car and that's all you need to know. Take it to the track and this is where the car really shines.
No manual? Why? 🙀
Man, you really have zero issues with this well built sports car, probably the best in the world, when you compare $ to $. I have a Cayman Base and have driven from SC to Orlando a few times and the ride was good for me and my wife. You need to find another type of car, imo!
these are such trifles. But PASM needs to be bought
Would love to see a road trip blog in the 718
That is definitely coming soon! Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss it.
@@DriveMore718 Tail of the dragon
@@jsz2619 I’m doing blood mountain in Atlanta next weekend with a bunch of friends. Vlog coming soon!
@@DriveMore718 kewl!
I would too!
The first gear is for acceleration and NOT downshifting. You'll mess up the transmission.
Great video! But you never downshift to 1st buddy..
That poor transmission! Lol😩😜☝️
Nice talking with you in the chat today, they are compact I imagine they are a ton of fun
The little F would piss me off too lol
PASM and Sports Seats gang 🤫
ahhh i dont care im getting one 😂😂😂 nice video tho bro
gearbox make some sounds and young muricans go crazy lmao
The third part is totally normal, is a sport car, if you want a smoth car may be you need to go for another car. In my opinion y prefer better performance.
Regards.
How is uncomfortable car seat related to performance?
You get less performance with comfortable seat?
Racing cars is designed to drive it for short periods of time to enjoy the moments if you looking for comfortable cars go for BMW & Mercedes 😊
6:54 PASM doesn't have a softer setting than your car currently has. It has the same setting (but actually harder because the car is lower) and an even stiffer setting. American cars all seem to have squishy suspension compared to European cars, frankly. It's an actual sportscar, you're not meant to be comfortable. Go faster.
You’re totally right about PASM. I just wish the car had softer suspension setting. It’s too harsh on the roads in my region. Rented one and just couldn’t do it. On smooth roads, no problem.
I’m not really complain… yes you are dude
Boys a sports car, complains that it's driving like a sports car and not a sedan 😀 - wants to lower the car 🤷♂
What year? I found out it's an automatic tranny at minute 5. Then he asks for a "subscribe". Ya. No.