The Collapse of Russian Arms Exports - Competitors, Ukraine & The Future of Russian Exports

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  • @PerunAU
    @PerunAU  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +707

    As discussed in the video - a big driver of this is likely diversion of resources to meet Russia's wartime requirements, but the data also shows broader trends at play. Meanwhile, for those of you struggling to picture what 1 Trend-Indicator-Value (TIV) represents - here are a few examples to give a sense of scale:
    Type 218SG Submarine - 325 TIV
    Su-30K Aircraft - 47.5 TIV
    Second Hand PZH-2000 SPG - 4.5 TIV
    Second hand T-72M1 Tank (Modernised) - 1.72 TIV
    Used M113 APC - 0.25 TIV
    Anyway, data crunching and defence economics - this one was fun. Hope you enjoy.
    There is a lot more I can pull out of this and other data sets on the arms market outside Russia's place in it. We'll see how this video goes though before I plot out any sequels.
    As always with data focused pieces, please consider reviewing the underlying data and methodology (including its limitations in coverage and choices around definitions) and any correction (like saying "deliveries" rather than "revenue" at one point).

    • @rocketman1058
      @rocketman1058 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What if russia is withholding the military units on purpose as preparation for the offensive on NATO?

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      a note - a market where supply and demand are free to adjust to each other will automatically trend towards ZERO profit, because at the (moving) supply-demand-equilibrium-point any additional supply will only be sell-able at a loss. To achieve revenue exceeding cost, the supply must be kept below demand, so that the buyers outbid each other obtaining "rare" product - which is what the 'profit' is about. Profits are a signal of the market that supply is below demand and attracts competitors to increase the supply - until it meets demand.

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      further - and yes, our real existing economies introduce(d) many legal protections (for selected suppliers) that prohibit or undermine competition from reacting to the profit (read: under-supply situation) by increasing the supply until it meets demand (at cost). The avenue this happens via is the political system, where 1 in ~500.000 can become lawmakers (regulatory capture becomes very easy), which is the main Achilles heel of our modern societies and the root cause of most of our problems.

    • @TheLucanicLord
      @TheLucanicLord 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      How many TiV is a 200 foot yacht? Asking for a friend.

    • @BiggestCorvid
      @BiggestCorvid 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@joansparky4439 this is a neat idea, any papers or authors you'd recommend that cover this?

  • @gabrielpi314
    @gabrielpi314 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1228

    _"Weld quality so bad, it's hard to distinguish from fire damage."_
    Genuine lol.

    • @dpelpal
      @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Russia is the joke of the world at this point😂

    • @michaelgreaves2375
      @michaelgreaves2375 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Weld quality for russia has traditionally been a problem. Welds on the T-34 were noticeably substandard for purpose even after the identification of the source of metallurgical flaws ( hydrogen embrittlement, sulfur embrittlement, piping porosity, etc.) They just didn't care.

    • @dpelpal
      @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      @@michaelgreaves2375 I'd say the average russian soldier has a lot of embrittlement....Vodka embrittlement, Krokodil embrittlement, tobacco embrittlement, and so on🤣

    • @dragonade85
      @dragonade85 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@michaelgreaves2375 I remember seeing a T34/85 in Bovington. Massive weld scars right across the turret.

    • @firestorm8471
      @firestorm8471 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      But the T34 was "just" good enough to accomplish it's task. And there were HUGE numbers of them. Badly welded armor is still armor.

  • @Xiao_Hu_ZY
    @Xiao_Hu_ZY 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +261

    "in 2018 RU was Samsung, and in 2023 they were a fractional share of Vivo"
    Man he is too good.

  • @Danksta911
    @Danksta911 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    „Weld quality so bad, it is difficult to distinguish from fire damage“
    Pure Australian gold

  • @arjunverma8435
    @arjunverma8435 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Russian weakness in chips and software is badly hampering the export potential as latest generation of weapons get hi-tech. Relatively new entrants like Turkey [drones], China [aircraft, vehicles and munitions], and India [rocket launcher, artilery guns and radars]. Simply being cheap is no longer an advantage either.

  • @wolframoconnor1605
    @wolframoconnor1605 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Definitely didn’t skip straight past the video for the gaming update. RIP old PC o7

    • @PerunAU
      @PerunAU  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      7 years of service (with me bolting in new bits occasionally) - it was time.

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PerunAU I have an old 1995 first generation Pentium still working. But it can't play modern games. It's some old Japanese brand (Toshiba? I'm not sure), it weighs half a ton.

  • @onetwo5155
    @onetwo5155 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Very interesting presentation; I admit I expected these results after at leat April of the invasion year for mostly the provided reasons and it's nice to see a data set that verifies this.
    Eagerly anticipating your next presentation and thank you for all your work.

  • @mohsanaliraja
    @mohsanaliraja 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I am your regular viewer of your channel. I find your videos really helpful and insightful. Thanks!

  • @stewm1267
    @stewm1267 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nothing gets me harder than discussing economic statistics and graphs!

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So you consider this channel to be your spank bank?

  • @AlexC-ou4ju
    @AlexC-ou4ju 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    in this thread
    Russians: 'You may have an hour of presented data analysis and trends but I choose to make assumptions that suit my wishes of facts. I really hate the west and really wish reality didn't side with them so often.'

  • @Wolfhound223
    @Wolfhound223 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Solid Video as always with the right injection of 'Perunisms' OH and it being St. Paddies day happy one to me :D
    See you all , next week :P

  • @dhill4001
    @dhill4001 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Do these figures include gratis exports to the Donbas for immediate rapid conversion to component parts?

    • @pieterfaes6263
      @pieterfaes6263 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's important to keep C2C-principles in mind to optimise recovery and avoid needless pollution to the environment, after all.

    • @dhill4001
      @dhill4001 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pieterfaes6263 Very true, but wouldn't it be more economically efficient to ship the component parts to Ukraine directly without the intermediate step of assembling them into tanks, IFVs etc? It would also advantage the Russian balance of trade because, like in the auto industry, repair parts sold individually are much more expensive than when factory assembled. They are really missing an opportunity here.

  • @dixonpinfold2582
    @dixonpinfold2582 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    In a 55-minute presentation called "The Collapse of Russian Arms Exports," the 22-minute mark is inappropriately late to mention that Russia's exports are being curtailed by Russia itself. I was wondering if you were going to say it at all.
    Generally however, this was one of your more informative uploads. Thanks.

    • @rick7424
      @rick7424 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If he did say it, why do you pretend like he did not give it its due attention?

    • @dixonpinfold2582
      @dixonpinfold2582 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rick7424 My comment speaks for itself. You read it too fast maybe.

  • @padorupadoru4477
    @padorupadoru4477 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    An analysis of a gaming army would be a pretty fun idea for a 01 April episode, be it Warhammer 40k, Starcraft, Command & Conquer, etcetc

  • @etienne8110
    @etienne8110 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Isn t it logical if you are consuming your production to export less ?
    Production means are higher than ever, meaning that when the war ends, exports will boom again.
    Am i missing something?

    • @PerunAU
      @PerunAU  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I discuss this in the second half of the video - I think the evidence suggests that there's more going on than diversion to present needs and there are distinctions between the productive capacity generated for wartime and what you would need to sustain exports post war.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think one of the points made is that the current halt in exports are for weapons already ordered. Very few new orders are being booked, if any. And meanwhile those customers are going elsewhere and might not return. Without orders, the increased capacity is a write off, a write off that the Russian arms industry might not shrug off.

    • @davidgoodnow269
      @davidgoodnow269 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think the Russian ability to export is sharply limited by sanctions, as they have been for a decade.
      I think what India is doing is going to be Russia's model: licensed foreign production.
      That gives it foreign reserves in foreign currencies, that it can leverage to continue business that doesn't fall under sanctions.
      This ties in to something 'What the Ship' has sometimes covered, "dark fleet" (ships operating under falsified registration to carry sanctioned cargos) shipping, mostly of oil.

    • @etienne8110
      @etienne8110 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MarcosElMalo2 that s also the effect of the international sanctions.
      The lift of those will be part of the peace deal.
      The current take home message is that russian weaponery is able to counter nato s one, or at least fight on par with it.
      This is a damn good commercial for futur clients. especially given that it will be cheaper than NATOs and not coming with as much strings attached to it...
      Many African countries will turn to russia and China for affordable weapons and no ties with NATO. So i m not sure the futur prospects are as bleak as depicted here.

    • @Daokl
      @Daokl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@etienne8110sanctions would never be lifted, there would only be more of them and there's nothing realistic russia can do to lift them.
      That they maybe would be much less feared by other countries in 5-10 years - that's another story.

  • @danforster6525
    @danforster6525 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    All of the high tech arms developed by Russia like the T14 Armata are only good for parades haha.

    • @Kastrenzo74
      @Kastrenzo74 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      program has been cancelled.

  • @jacob_90s
    @jacob_90s 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If I may suggest for an April Fool's day video, there are several other channels I watch that cover real historical incidents, which will make videos about fictional stores in the same manner, and just as serious. My favorite is probably "The Isla Nublar Incident" by Fascinating Horror. I could definitely see you doing something similar, maybe over Star Wars? Just a thought

  • @kemarisite
    @kemarisite 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1605

    I've long joked that one of the few ways the "Putin is playing 5D chess" concept would make sense is if he had a massive number of shares in Raytheon while shorting Sukhoi.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +147

      That would be like Elon Musk intentionally trashing Tesla while quietly buying up massive amounts of BYD. He’s already doing a pretty good job burning down Tesla…

    • @dpelpal
      @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

      If putin is playing 5D chess, he's the only leader in the world that can make his armed forces into a joke in 5 dimensions! 🤣

    • @the_amazing_raisin
      @the_amazing_raisin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

      Speaking of Raytheon, some of their post WW2 business ventures were pretty crazy, think radar equipped automated train yards in the 1960s, as well as the well known microwave oven
      I'm pretty sure during the 1950-60s you could just find a Raytheon engineer and offer them $10 to build a radar system and they'd say something like "sure, you can have this old test radar set that was sitting on my desk, I was just using it to keep my coffee warm anyway"

    • @notarmchairhistorian7779
      @notarmchairhistorian7779 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fun times.

    • @SCH292
      @SCH292 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

      "qUanTity hAs a qUaliTY 0f iTs oWn! rUSSIa wEAPoNS r cHEap n rEliable!". ---> Every War Thunder fan boys, Ivan bots and Ruzzian simps.

  • @islandrevenant5746
    @islandrevenant5746 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1541

    “In 2013 there were around 34 countries placing military supply orders from Russia.
    In 2023 that number was three.”
    That’s a telling figure.

    • @dpelpal
      @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +186

      Russian army and russian arms are the joke of the world at this point. I think the whole _"Kyiv in THREE DAYS!"_ thing did them in lol.

    • @dereenaldoambun9158
      @dereenaldoambun9158 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

      Yeah, everyone moved to South Korea, France, Turkey, Israel, US & China MIC.

    • @YoHoMine
      @YoHoMine 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      @@dpelpalno one said that except general milly an American

    • @u2beuser714
      @u2beuser714 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      ​@@dpelpal As perun said dont count them out yet. After 1991 gulf war one would expect that noone would buy russian despite their turrets flying high in kuwait

    • @bazooka712
      @bazooka712 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +121

      @@YoHoMineThe incursion to Kyiv begs to differ.

  • @namesurname624
    @namesurname624 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +643

    Selling your stuff to yourself at a loss is not an infinite money glitch 😂
    Perfect

    • @dpelpal
      @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Remember that the russian army is the only army to have lost 50% of the land they held and still claim they're "winning"

    • @1112viggo
      @1112viggo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah i laughed at that too. But to be fair, continuously lending yourself money by trading state bonds through your federal banking system like a never ending Ponzi scheme probably is not an infinite money glitch either. The economic system of the entire world is in dire need of an overhaul. Everywhere i look i see the same. A corrupted system with a small financial elite at the top who every year increase their own share of the pie at the expense of the common people.

    • @christianjohansson5440
      @christianjohansson5440 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Well it is if the world needs your oil and gas and financing it😂

    • @tibik.8407
      @tibik.8407 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christianjohansson5440 I dont know, the world was pretty fine without it in the last years..

    • @gandydancer9710
      @gandydancer9710 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is zero indication that the Russian armaments industry is operating at a loss. Yes, when the war is over it will have to fire a lot of people. So what?
      The war comes at a cost, but Russia doesn't need to make a profit (beyond the acquisition of territory, etc.) on it. It has taxes to cover its operational cost and doesn't need profits.
      Perun is here spinning relentlessly but not remotely convincingly. Russia needs arms right now and doesn't need sales, so that its sales are down is neither a surprise nor a problem.
      After it defeats Ukraine it will have arms surplus to its needs, but Perun claims that replenishing its stockpiles will be a problem. This is ridiculous.

  • @bliblablubb9590
    @bliblablubb9590 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2542

    Perun (sarcastically): "This episode will contain everyone's favourite things: think data, graphs, economic statistics."
    His fanbase (for real): "Oh, yeah, thats the good stuff."

    • @ristoravela652
      @ristoravela652 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +248

      Give it to me, powerpoint daddy ❤

    • @JasperKlijndijk
      @JasperKlijndijk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +209

      The dryer the content the wetter the cargo pants

    • @p_serdiuk
      @p_serdiuk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

      Fanbase (sarcastically): oh yeah sure what kind of person would ever even want to watch these out of their own volition amirite *keeps watching intently*

    • @Stefan-he8cf
      @Stefan-he8cf 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      Gib me all the data... we're all masocists.

    • @karelkryne2387
      @karelkryne2387 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      I'm always struck by how exited I get when Perun goes out of his way to explain the dryness of the subject matter.

  • @homeworksdone2378
    @homeworksdone2378 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +873

    I don't understand how Perun makes such excellent presentations OUTSIDE of his full time job, every week on the dot. Don't burn out!

    • @mosh.4245
      @mosh.4245 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

      He has a gaming channel too

    • @apollyon1
      @apollyon1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

      Yeah, TH-camrs got to start looking after themselves. The audience will still be here if you take a weekend off perun dude!

    • @spudjiii
      @spudjiii 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +127

      He did say in the Q&A that his job is now part time so he can dedicate more time to the channel, but yeah, work ethic go brrr

    • @cedhome7945
      @cedhome7945 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Wonder if he ever goes outside, or would the sun shrivel him to a crisp🤔

    • @ginojaco
      @ginojaco 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      Who says he doesn't use the same presentations for both...? 🤔

  • @revswagger7489
    @revswagger7489 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1059

    I love the smell of PowerPoints in the morning

    • @joebollig2689
      @joebollig2689 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      …it smells like, victory.

    • @somethingelse516
      @somethingelse516 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joebollig2689beat me to it

    • @canadaphil6068
      @canadaphil6068 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      It smells like Victory...
      scented with Orange and Liquorice.

    • @jasonhorton2434
      @jasonhorton2434 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Microsoft should sponsor this channel for bringing sexy back to PowerPoint!

    • @MSDGroup-ez6zk
      @MSDGroup-ez6zk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LOL, many Western allies have stated that Russia's economy, arms sales etc would plunge and it will go bankrupt. However, until now Russia's economy is far way better than the EU and USA's economic growth combined. So I would not buy this one side story done by PerunAustralia.
      The West has seized Russia's assets in the EU and the USA but Putin has not asked his global south friends to seize the Western assets there. Imagine if that happens, the West will bankrupt automatically.
      2nd, BRICS, China Silk Road, ASEAN plus, and many Russia and China allies hold huge natural resource deposits. If they don't want to sell cheap to rich USA ally countries, the USA allies cannot sell their products competitively. That's what has happened today. Russia has triggered a war in Palestine and the USA honestly has stated that it cannot finance two wars at a time. How about if Russia creates another war near the USA or in the EU and Australasia?
      2nd China also plays beautifully. The UK and Japan are in recession. Both of these countries are the biggest US bondholders (Japan) and the third U bondholders (the UK) in the world. China has reduced its imports from the EU and Japan. If there is less demand for the UK and Japan products worldwide, Japan and the UK can sell its US debts. Thus China may also sell its US debts. FYI, in US history, no more than two countries sell their USD debts in bulk at one time. If that happens, the USA will be broken.

  • @drgonzo305
    @drgonzo305 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I can’t believe the T-90m’s aren’t fly off the shelves, like their turrets

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +385

    Hi Perun. Thank you for making Sundays more exciting

    • @PerunAU
      @PerunAU  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +210

      no worries. I'm just glad I found a community that find arms transfer data exciting!

    • @akumaking1
      @akumaking1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PerunAU have you considered going into other sites like Odysee?

    • @markedwards4879
      @markedwards4879 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@PerunAU Definitely. I love your content.

    • @tristanridley1601
      @tristanridley1601 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      ​@@PerunAU we may be a niche audience but we are global

    • @TheGreatWhiteScout
      @TheGreatWhiteScout 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      My wife still hasn't figured out why it takes me so long to make a simple pot of coffee on Sundays,...

  • @Adonnus100
    @Adonnus100 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +166

    What I like is that despite doing things which are sometimes done in a very dry way (in depth analysis) you actually have a good sense of humour. Makes all the difference, really.

    • @dpelpal
      @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      The russian military has a great sense of humor. They made themselves into the joke of the world in less than 2 years lol

    • @MSDGroup-ez6zk
      @MSDGroup-ez6zk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LOL, many Western allies have stated that Russia's economy, arms sales etc would plunge and it will go bankrupt. However, until now Russia's economy is far way better than the EU and USA's economic growth combined. So I would not buy this one side story done by PerunAustralia.
      The West has seized Russia's assets in the EU and the USA but Putin has not asked his global south friends to seize the Western assets there. Imagine if that happens, the West will bankrupt automatically.
      2nd, BRICS, China Silk Road, ASEAN plus, and many Russia and China allies hold huge natural resource deposits. If they don't want to sell cheap to rich USA ally countries, the USA allies cannot sell their products competitively. That's what has happened today. Russia has triggered a war in Palestine and the USA honestly has stated that it cannot finance two wars at a time. How about if Russia creates another war near the USA or in the EU and Australasia?
      2nd China also plays beautifully. The UK and Japan are in recession. Both of these countries are the biggest US bondholders (Japan) and the third U bondholders (the UK) in the world. China has reduced its imports from the EU and Japan. If there is less demand for the UK and Japan products worldwide, Japan and the UK can sell its US debts. Thus China may also sell its US debts. FYI, in US history, no more than two countries sell their USD debts in bulk at one time. If that happens, the USA will be broken.

    • @davidelliott5843
      @davidelliott5843 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Russian military has all by itself exposed the reality of its own incompetence both in command, control and equipment.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@MSDGroup-ez6zk Russian exports HAVE plunged. They’re not delivering promised products and no one is placing orders for new ones. These customers are going elsewhere. Why would they ever come back?

    • @SerendipityChild
      @SerendipityChild 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Australian sarcasm .. gotta love it

  • @NLTops
    @NLTops 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +293

    Russian Bots: "Putin is a 6D chess player. You just don't understand his godlike comprehension!"
    William: "My lines on maps beg to differ."
    Perun: "Let's look at some statistics."

    • @vo7414
      @vo7414 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Paul w/ strike gum

    • @dpelpal
      @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      Only Russia can manage to lose wars and make fools of themselves in multiple dimensions😂

    • @u2beuser714
      @u2beuser714 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      William spaniel in his last video clearly showed that ukrainian demographics is in in worse shape than russias. So yeah

    • @dpelpal
      @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      @@u2beuser714 I think that's what people said right before Ukraine took back half the land russia occupied lol

    • @NLTops
      @NLTops 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      @@u2beuser714 Ukraine's demographics were already in worse shape than Russia's before the war and is by no means a consequence of Putin's actions.
      But given Holodomor we can probably blame a bit of it on the USSR.

  • @andrewgreen1940
    @andrewgreen1940 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +196

    I assume Russia is not exporting weapons because they need everything they can make- also it does not look good to send T-90s to India if you are sending T-55 to your own troops in Ukraine.

    • @rogerk6180
      @rogerk6180 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Still the same thing though.

    • @u2beuser714
      @u2beuser714 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      They arent sending T-55s because t-90 is bad but because they cant produce them. The fact that they send t-55 says nothing about the T-90 so i dont see what are you getting at

    • @mdhutch2002
      @mdhutch2002 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

      It says nothing about the T-90 as a weapons system, but it speaks volumes about Russia's ability to supply its frontline troops with them. You don't send T-55s to the front if you have enough T-90s.
      As for why selling T-90s to India in the middle of a war where it is deploying T-55s would be a bad look, it would signal that Russia is putting the arms industry's profits ahead of the lives of its soldiers.

    • @anderson8988
      @anderson8988 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@u2beuser714They didn’t say anything about the T-90’s quality. Just that sending T-90s overseas while your own army can’t get them makes it a bad look. Like they care more about foreigners than the Russian Army who’s AT WAR.

    • @danielkorrmann5467
      @danielkorrmann5467 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That is a factor, but given that russias exports trending down for a while, the orders are also way down not only the deliverys, show that other factors are the bigger part of this desaster.

  • @TheWampam
    @TheWampam 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +240

    Kuat Drive Yards aproves this message. We should buy more Star Destroyers.

    • @pll3827
      @pll3827 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      Also make them irrationally bigger each generation! With super lasers!

    • @Kyle-sr6jm
      @Kyle-sr6jm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Can we get some more with the shield generators on the very tip top of the bridge?
      My mistress thinks those are the coolest looking ones.

    • @Vesperitis
      @Vesperitis 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Incom are like “Pfeh, Star Destroyers. One of our X-Wings blew up the Death Star!”

    • @JingleJangle256
      @JingleJangle256 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Can we get a custom order of Star Destroyers that come with railings?

    • @Anonymuskid
      @Anonymuskid 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@pll3827and at some point we take an old iteration to stick a super laser on instead of the newest and it's entirely not because Disney already had an old model to edit and was too lazy to make the right thing despite being a multi billion dollar company

  • @owowhatsthisitisidio661
    @owowhatsthisitisidio661 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +323

    It’s like we’re all students going to our favorite class filing in and sitting down for the latest PowerPoint presentation XD. Keep up the great work Perun!

    • @glacieractivity
      @glacieractivity 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      In my 4 decades of experience in the educational and scientific sector the idea "Yay it is Sunday, I hope the lecture starts soon" has happened, but never before as a weekly concept. 🙋‍♂

    • @MSDGroup-ez6zk
      @MSDGroup-ez6zk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LOL, many Western allies have stated that Russia's economy, arms sales etc would plunge and it will go bankrupt. However, until now Russia's economy is far way better than the EU and USA's economic growth combined. So I would not buy this one side story done by PerunAustralia.
      The West has seized Russia's assets in the EU and the USA but Putin has not asked his global south friends to seize the Western assets there. Imagine if that happens, the West will bankrupt automatically.
      2nd, BRICS, China Silk Road, ASEAN plus, and many Russia and China allies hold huge natural resource deposits. If they don't want to sell cheap to rich USA ally countries, the USA allies cannot sell their products competitively. That's what has happened today. Russia has triggered a war in Palestine and the USA honestly has stated that it cannot finance two wars at a time. How about if Russia creates another war near the USA or in the EU and Australasia?
      2nd China also plays beautifully. The UK and Japan are in recession. Both of these countries are the biggest US bondholders (Japan) and the third U bondholders (the UK) in the world. China has reduced its imports from the EU and Japan. If there is less demand for the UK and Japan products worldwide, Japan and the UK can sell its US debts. Thus China may also sell its US debts. FYI, in US history, no more than two countries sell their USD debts in bulk at one time. If that happens, the USA will be broken.

    • @-Seeker-
      @-Seeker- 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I wish my profs would be as good as Perun at lectures.

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I had a few profs like that. But that's it, just a few.

  • @AlexC-ou4ju
    @AlexC-ou4ju 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    India's that kid who grew up poor and guying in second hand stores and charity shops but got an education and a job and can now offer to buy good quality products so is seeing Boris at the charity shop much less often and is visiting Pierre's boutique more often.

  • @tarjei99
    @tarjei99 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    After stiffing India on the SU-57, I don't see anybody else financing Russian weapons development.

  • @CanuckErrant
    @CanuckErrant 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    I mean, an April 1 video about the military capacity of Super Earth would be a fun digression, IMO...

    • @apc9714
      @apc9714 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      The Imperium of Mankind defense industrial basilico and its procurement challenges

    • @PrinceOfDolAlmroth
      @PrinceOfDolAlmroth 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      the loss of avalon creek and what that means for the Federation of Super Earth in the long term.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Dyson Sphere procurement strategies vs Ring World competition.

    • @death_parade
      @death_parade 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Imagine Perun writing a R/HFY story.

    • @boobah5643
      @boobah5643 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Dude's expressed some interest in late 19th century Austro-Hungarian naval procurement...

  • @SlickNutter
    @SlickNutter 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    How nice of your gaming PC to provide us with an example of the effects of postponing recapitalization too much ❤😂

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You know the saying “the shoemaker’s children go barefoot”? The procurement analyst forgot to procure anything for himself. (There’s also the saying, “the shoes of the fisherman’s wife are some jive-ass slippers”. But now that I think on it, it’s the title of a song by Charles Mingus, not an actual saying.)

    • @StrangelyBrownNo1
      @StrangelyBrownNo1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MarcosElMalo2‘Haitian Fight Song’ actually slots in nicely with events there this month.

  • @electricbayonet2
    @electricbayonet2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    13:49 This graph does a good job of showing a reason (among many) why I like Perun’s work so much. The scale is reflective of the data. It isn’t cropped and zoomed to make negligible changes look enormous for sensationalism’s sake.
    Nothing can undermine your faith in a source of information quite like seeing something that indicates they think you’re really, really stupid and want to exploit that.

    • @antermilov
      @antermilov 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you appreciated part where he compared data from 2 years to 3?
      Seems like very nice subtle way to create tiny bit of sensationalism by adjusting data towards your point instead of deducing it other way around :)

    • @melodychang783
      @melodychang783 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@antermilov And Perun called out the different timespans

  • @MTerrance
    @MTerrance 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    From any perspective, the Ukraine War will go down as a Pyrrhic victory (or loss). The damage done on both sides will take generations to overcome. Even if Russia manages to extract itself without further damage, win or lose, it has managed to cripple itself severely. In many ways, this was the last gasp of the Soviet Union. When the USSR collapsed, the West thought we had miraculously dodged a bullet, which would have been a major war with the USSR. Apparently, we did not, at least not entirely. Perhaps the Imperial Russia/USSR/Russia epoch will finally end once the USSR generation has died off. The parallels with Hitler are unavoidable. Adoph was driven by the feeling that Germany had given up in WWI when it should have continued, so we got WWII (I know it was way more complicated than that, but go along with it for now). Putin is driven by the sense that the USSR should never have collapsed and has done everything he can to reestablish it. They say history may not repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme.

    • @u2beuser714
      @u2beuser714 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sorry but did you say that Russia will collapse as a state or its imperial ambitions? Its used interchangebly these days , hope you will clearify, thanks.

    • @davidgoodnow269
      @davidgoodnow269 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That observation has some poignant truths, but the overall truth you seem to be missing is that both Ukraine and Russia were maneuvered into this in a strategy dating back to Bill Clinton being President, explicitly to kill as many people as possible by conventional means, before going with WMD.
      The current war is simply being used as an experimental lab to test human creativity and endurance to see the results; this is why small quantities of Western weapons are introduced.
      "Would you like to play a game?"

    • @MTerrance
      @MTerrance 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@u2beuser714 I am no prophet. I think Russia will survive but in a greatly diminished condition. So far, its military has benefited from the huge inventory of USSR armaments. I suspect that will be so depleted that rearming will be a bigger challenge than they will be able to do in less than a couple of decades. Their education system has fallen apart and their population is aging out rapidly. This war has driven out some of their most educated young men and I suspect many will never return. Their problems with alcoholism are almost pandemic. Their international armaments business has almost collapsed and not just because they are focused on Ukraine. This war has changed their profile internationally. I would not be the least surprised if they ended up losing territory to the Chinese, who may be the ultimate beneficiaries of the Ukraine war, but they have their own problems. The CCP has already indicated their desire to regain lands they lost to Russia after WWII. Somehow Russia ends up with a Czar no matter how much they try to change their fate. If they weren't so belligerent, I might even feel sorry for them.

    • @barthoving2053
      @barthoving2053 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@u2beuser714 For many Russian politician the two seem to be intertwined. And for them it would be horror if Russia decent to the status of French or Great Britain. Of course those countries are still doing fine after the loss of their world empire although they can still play imperial in niche places of their former empire. And most European countries have been empire at at least local level and are still prospering.
      The problem is Russian politicians need to learn to wheel and deal along with the foreign counterparts in foreign affairs instead of bullying them around. But that might mentally be a step too far leaving them hanging in simple real politics.

    • @Fredmayve
      @Fredmayve 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      wrong

  • @patwilson2546
    @patwilson2546 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +175

    "Weld quality so bad it is indistinguishable from fire damage" - awesome.

    • @protorhinocerator142
      @protorhinocerator142 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The difference between a Russian weld and fire damage is about 2 weeks.

    • @PeaShooter33
      @PeaShooter33 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And yet they managed to destroy challengers, leopards and abrahams.

    • @patwilson2546
      @patwilson2546 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@PeaShooter33 Of course they can, every once in awhile. Western tanks aren't invincible. That doesn't mean that they are bad.
      Bad is when the whole thing bursts into flames at the slightest provocation and then explodes spectacularly, vaporizing its crew. Western tanks rarely do that. Russian tanks do it so often it has become a meme.

    • @heraklesnothercules.
      @heraklesnothercules. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@PeaShooter33 Incapacitate, not destroy.

    • @AndreasB-p8w
      @AndreasB-p8w 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@PeaShooter33 That mostly hit a massive stack of mines, but I have seen many more alive people emerge from a leopard wreck then from any russian tank having lost its turret .. no wait, I have seen nobody emerge from such tanks!

  • @TheLiverTea
    @TheLiverTea 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    Just started a 16 hour shift, thank you Perun

    • @remicaron3191
      @remicaron3191 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you like believing in fantasy stories keep listening. If you want to know what’s actually going on look somewhere else.

    • @otten5666
      @otten5666 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      You work for Nike?

    • @sagenhaftkriegshetzer4961
      @sagenhaftkriegshetzer4961 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@remicaron3191 like where?

    • @apieceofpi5463
      @apieceofpi5463 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      Looks like someone's starting his 16 hour shift here too

    • @lefr33man
      @lefr33man 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      @@remicaron3191 the good ol' "do your own research"

  • @dubemelchi
    @dubemelchi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    one man has football on Sundays, i have Perun & power points.

    • @h8GW
      @h8GW 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Man of culture, as well

  • @RaniVeluNachar-kx4lu
    @RaniVeluNachar-kx4lu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Watch South Korea too. The K2 tank and K9 self propelled howitzer seem good enough for Poland. And Poland wants it's equipment to be superior to Russia's now and for the next 10 plus years.

    • @steelytemplar
      @steelytemplar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      South Korea is chad nation. They've got some great things going on with both their defense industry and their ship manufacturing.

  • @danielstickney2400
    @danielstickney2400 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +228

    "T-90 is better suited to this war" is certainly a face saving way of saying "T-14 requires imported tech we can't produce". I do wonder how much of Russia's coasting on it's soviet legacy comes from the oligarchy strip mining their economy. It's rather difficult to keep pace when most of your R&D money gets spent on London townhouses, German superyachts and Italian villas. Not that you can really blame them, there's no point in reinvesting in your business when the government or a better connected oligarch can just take it from you at any time.

    • @chilbiyito
      @chilbiyito 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And they still have the idea of conquering Europe

    • @rabiatorthegreat6163
      @rabiatorthegreat6163 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      They seem to have problems to mass produce their most recent developments in general. Not only the T-14, AFAIK Russia has also made only a few dozen Su-57.

    • @the_undead
      @the_undead 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      ​@@rabiatorthegreat6163The last number I saw was 10 that were hypothetically capable of flight. With no evidence for the majority of them

    • @dgthe3
      @dgthe3 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@rabiatorthegreat6163 Shhh! Nobody is supposed to know that. Russia hasn't used those systems because they're "holding back" -not because they don't have a single operational unit ... roughly a decade on from their introduction.

    • @gandydancer9710
      @gandydancer9710 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@rabiatorthegreat6163 From the MBT-70 to the LCS the US hasn't done any better. What's your point?

  • @larrybuzbee7344
    @larrybuzbee7344 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +123

    "Even worse, they had lost it to the French"😂😂 QUELLE DOMMAGE!!

    • @jcloiseau
      @jcloiseau 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Dommage emmotionel;)

    • @DB-pm2vy
      @DB-pm2vy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂🎉

    • @Paludion
      @Paludion 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Hon hon hon

    • @larrybuzbee7344
      @larrybuzbee7344 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Paludion Merci!

    • @_vital_p
      @_vital_p 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      French artillery. especially Ceasars, proved to be quite good, why not

  • @RyxntheG
    @RyxntheG 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    Keep up the good work PowerPoint man 🙌

  • @davidelliott5843
    @davidelliott5843 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I used to work in heavy engineering (power stations). Turbine overhauls were planned with 14 days of 12 hour shifts using highly skilled labour. Then they had 4 days off. Without fail. Whenever we extended the 12 hour period there was always a costly mistake.

  • @PeterAqualung
    @PeterAqualung 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

    US SOD said the US goal in UKR is to degrade Russian capabilities. Until this video, I thought this was directed at wasting their hardware, which is true enough. But the long-term damage to Russian arms exports and product development maybe the bigger prize. Thanks for the insight, Perun.

    • @StrangelyBrownNo1
      @StrangelyBrownNo1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      And that’s without going into more intangible factors - the pressure on Russian society and the schisms it’ll like induce.

    • @davidgoodnow269
      @davidgoodnow269 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      That is the U.S. State Department playbook for everywhere, always.

    • @blondegirlsezthis8798
      @blondegirlsezthis8798 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      The 21st century version of lend/lease is a pretty gigantic prize in itself between US/Nato and Ukraine. Once Russia pulls out and will be brought to pay reparations, the US will take a big piece of that as payment for the B-grade weapons Ukraine got during the war.

    • @davidgoodnow269
      @davidgoodnow269 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@blondegirlsezthis8798 Not so! Ukraine has been required to get the money from investment groups like Blackrock and Fidelity, and sign over huge amounts of farm land to them for the money.
      Blackrock and Fidelity, et alia, are in turn contractually obligated to pay the loans and leases for the U.S. weapons.
      Ukraine was required to amend its Constitution to allow foreign ownership of land, previously illegal, for that specific arrangement, before the first shipment of weapons under Biden.

    • @freedomfighter22222
      @freedomfighter22222 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@blondegirlsezthis8798 You're highly overvaluing the amount Ukraine is getting trough lend lease or loans compared to given for free, and it will be European, not American companies rebuilding Ukraine after the war is over.

  • @JustinKingPlus
    @JustinKingPlus 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

    I lost it when Perun said heat death of the universe when it comes to HIMARS orders.

    • @krissteel4074
      @krissteel4074 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      It took 20 years, but finally someone appreciated HIMARS! :)

    • @666Tomato666
      @666Tomato666 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@krissteel4074 I don't think it was a question of appreciation, it was more of a question of need. US doctrine is about achieving air superiority and then rolling in with the troops. Such theatre doesn't have much of a role for HIMARS.

    • @RobinTheBot
      @RobinTheBot 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@666Tomato666not really the case! They are meant to counter effective enemy artillery. We haven't really encountered that but that's not because it's not a thing our doctrine is meant to deal with. And you know what? They worked like GANGBUSTERS for it, so we did well.

    • @chilbiyito
      @chilbiyito 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@666Tomato666artillery supremacy

    • @brianbrandt25
      @brianbrandt25 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Funnest line so far....

  • @0p3nh4ym3r
    @0p3nh4ym3r 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    Curiously enough, today I've decided to cut down on TH-cam a lot. Nonsense will be reduced to near zero.
    But nonsense is not a concept even existing in the same dimension with this channel's content.
    Thank you, Perun. Much love from Bulgaria and see you next week.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Out of curiosity, do you know much about the Bulgarian arms industry? How much of its manufacturing is creating products developed from the old soviet designs?

    • @DerDop
      @DerDop 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MarcosElMalo2 Bulgarian arms industry is huge, especially when compared to its size.

    • @govinda102000
      @govinda102000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DerDop Thank god your on NATO's side.

    • @lukeneill1568
      @lukeneill1568 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Typically Ukraine supporters do that now they’ve realised Ukraine and nato is getting clapped

    • @jimmymfs4314
      @jimmymfs4314 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@lukeneill1568 isnt russia well on its way to run out of its massive soviet stockpile in a few years? maybe should have stuck to the 3 days time plan instead of 3 years?

  • @justwatchingstuffhere
    @justwatchingstuffhere 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +209

    Given the recent drone strike deep into Russian territory, I can imagine that the reputation of Russian air defense system is going to take another major hit.

    • @Irthex
      @Irthex 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      I don't necessarily agree with that.
      Russia has so much ground to cover to protect themselves against drones that they need a crazy number of air defense systems to take care of it, especially if the drones are flying low.
      So russia has to place their air defense where they believe it's needed - and they will continue to get it wrong since Ukraine will continue to strike a diverse set of changing targets.

    • @tristanridley1601
      @tristanridley1601 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      ​@@Irthex That sounds very logical, but you're assuming reputation is strictly logical.

    • @maryginger4877
      @maryginger4877 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Take it you've not seen the Patriot Batteries getting obliterated, Bradley Park... or the near extinct Leopard Tanks burning

    • @rogerk6180
      @rogerk6180 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      ​​@@Irthexthey originate all from a relativly small border with ukraine. Protect that and the entirety of russia is protected.
      Russia does not need end point protection if it all originates from a small geographical area, and for anything it's air defence misses it has a major airforce that can intercept anything that pierces that screen and is on it's way deep into russias territory.
      Russia is failing spactacularly in both parts of that defence.

    • @kirstinevad347
      @kirstinevad347 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      @@maryginger4877 And with good reason. I'm sorry to tell you, but your government seem to be feeding you lies, my russian friend.
      How about using your time and ressources to better conditions for the russian people instead of attacking ukranians?

  • @johnvissenga328
    @johnvissenga328 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    My work efficiency drops badly on Sunday afternoons ..... I'm too busy pondering puzzling parts of Perun's Power Point Presentations 😵‍💫

    • @andrewharrison8436
      @andrewharrison8436 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nice 7 word alliteration - could have put "preoccupied" for a score of 8

    • @joshpatton757
      @joshpatton757 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andrewharrison8436 Andrew's alliterative accolade award advice advanced accordingly amid afternoon amusements.

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sunday's PPPP. 🥰

  • @lexvangelder2525
    @lexvangelder2525 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Congrats Perun again you have outdone yourself and that for two cosectutive years in 104 weeks. Impressive stuff

  • @tranquoccuong890-its-orge
    @tranquoccuong890-its-orge 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    39:08 big boi India mentioned, so here i give a footnote for the small boi VN:
    VN military itself is looking up to China (& India)'s self reliant efforts, alongside the sourcing diversification to Israel, South Korea and others suppliers with technological connections to Soviet legacy tech tree
    so Russian arms export to VN is expected to shrink too
    at best i could only see VN buying more Su-30 (maybe Su-30SME) to bolster our multirole-maritime fighter fleet
    because unfortunately 20:40 VN has very few choice in building an fighter fleet on budget

    • @tranquoccuong890-its-orge
      @tranquoccuong890-its-orge 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      also 18:56 one dirty uppercut to 152mm fanboys out there (me included)
      good news for the 152mm: VN & probably a number of 3rd world militaries are still using the caliber and is considering expanding production related to the 152mm (first the shells, then the barrels)
      still bad new for Russia's 152mm: now their potential 152mm customers are self-reliant, they will lose these customers too (looking to North Korea producing & selling 152mm shells to Russia)

    • @GraemeHein
      @GraemeHein 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We like you guys and support your efforts in the SCS but selling F16 or F35 is a touch far

    • @nooonanoonung6237
      @nooonanoonung6237 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Su-34 and Su-57, attack/transport helis.
      Missile Frigates/Detroyers and S400/S500.

    • @ulfosterberg9116
      @ulfosterberg9116 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Who is VN?

    • @damonedrington3453
      @damonedrington3453 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ulfosterberg9116Vietnam

  • @sauleddy1
    @sauleddy1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    It's after midnight, I'm meant to be asleep and Perun has dropped a new video,... I'll sleep in the grave..

  • @sergiom9958
    @sergiom9958 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Perun: "this episode contains data"
    Me: (heavy breathing intensifies)

    • @EinFelsbrocken
      @EinFelsbrocken 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Aw man; I missed the heavy breathing meme. An underused classic. 👏

  • @1globe
    @1globe 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Impressively clear, complete and succinct presentation, coloured with brilliant, hilarious remarks. 10/10! 👏👏👏💙💛

  • @mgattii4324
    @mgattii4324 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    In all seriousness, Perun is the standard I wish for when I learn about anything.
    I want a Perun of economics, a Perun of government and the law. Hell, I'd listen to the Perun of 18th Century French philosophers.
    I've never felt like anyone has ever educated me on a topic more quickly and effectively. Amazing work.

    • @thelukesternater
      @thelukesternater 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No don’t do 18th century French philosophers… they ramble! Diogenes is all ya need!!

    • @uku4171
      @uku4171 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Right? I'm glad we have him here though.

    • @simonaspalovis1204
      @simonaspalovis1204 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To be fair, I think it's easier to make an educational video more entertaining than a live lecture, because with the former, you have time to prepare and refine a script. While with the latter, you're doing improv. Additionally, having a witty and dry sense of humor isn't exactly at the top of requirements for being a teacher/lecturer.

    • @uku4171
      @uku4171 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@simonaspalovis1204 that doesn't make much sense. Lectures are usually very planned out and prepared, and often the same lecture is given many times. And to add to that, Perun doesn't use a script.

    • @simonaspalovis1204
      @simonaspalovis1204 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@uku4171 I stand corrected then.

  • @MrBahjatt
    @MrBahjatt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    There are some observations to be had. In the 1990s Russia exported the Su-27SK/UBK and Su-30MKK to China and then the Su-30MKI to India and Sukhoi then went on a major export sphree leaving MiG and its incomplete MiG-29M behind in the dust. However, China eventually got the Su-27 (now called J-11) and started producing enhanced versions of it and the engines and avionics to go with it, and has less demand for Russian equipment. India to a lesser degree has achieved some form of self-sufficiency on the Su-30MKI. With that, one can easily see that no other client will purchase such large quantities and Sukhoi was not particularly good at marketing beyond the big government-to-government orders.
    Another issue, the Russian Sukhois are still made using dated and inefficient production methods in the 1990s and 2000s but it seems that they have upgraded their facilities since then. Despite this, the Chinese appear to have much better industrial organisation and can probably produce the J-11 (Su-27), J-15 (Su-33) and J-16 (Su-30) at much lower cost than the Russian one with a far greater selection of weapons and technology. Lucky for Sukhoi and the Russian government that China isn't pitching its Sino-Flankers for sale.

  • @joshwertz7167
    @joshwertz7167 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Seeing an 80s era Bradley take out a t-90 is never a good look

  • @robertpatrick3350
    @robertpatrick3350 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The US and European nations have actively bought out former Soviet clients, buying their inventories and shipping those to Ukraine….. replacing the equipment from their own inventory. This has significantly reduced Russia’s client base.

    • @rogerk6180
      @rogerk6180 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This certainly is also part of it..

    • @dgthe3
      @dgthe3 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes and no.
      Nobody sells what they want to keep. The fact that those countries are willing to sell of their old Russia/Soviet equipment & replace it with western stuff -rather than new Russian equivelents, is telling.

  • @lamontcranston3192
    @lamontcranston3192 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Russia only needs its weapons for ‘right now’….but if you are say India, can you guarantee that spare parts will be available in 5, or 10 years as sanctions bite harder?…and unlike hydrocarbons, manufactured goods are not ‘fungible’….

    • @u2beuser714
      @u2beuser714 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What you mean "bite harder"? After the war ends the sanctions will be lifted even Tony blinken said it

    • @death_parade
      @death_parade 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don't think you realize how much of these so-called Russian weapons India manufactures in-house. India doesn't just buy arms. It buys/builds entire arms supply chains. Also, stuff whose spares dry up can just be replaced by Indian designed replacements for the entire sub-system. I mean, India is upgrading their Su-30 MKI from 4th gen to 4.5th gen standard all by themselves. They only tried to negotiate with Russia for newer model of engines (to be produced in India).

  • @SpaciousPlanning
    @SpaciousPlanning 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I really want to see a series where Perun plays EVE from scratch.

    • @ZaphodHarkonnen
      @ZaphodHarkonnen 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Well there are plenty of quarterly economic reports going back well over a decade now to build charts and spreadsheet slides from. :P

    • @davidgoodnow269
      @davidgoodnow269 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I knew some people who played EVE, is the Midori Alliance still a thing?

    • @SpaciousPlanning
      @SpaciousPlanning 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ZaphodHarkonnen ok Perun not playing EVE but reporting on it would be . . . Funny? Tragic? Something-something-postmodern?

    • @SpaciousPlanning
      @SpaciousPlanning 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@davidgoodnow269 ashamed to admit I don't know the game well: I've always been intrigued and confused by it in roughly equal measure. I figure Perun going through it might finally make it make sense.

    • @littlekong7685
      @littlekong7685 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@SpaciousPlanningLol, probably not, I have seen EVE "Experts" get confused by the things EVE players do and how the economy runs.

  • @marvingreen7441
    @marvingreen7441 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    This is the kind of content that makes me want to explore the YT channels; Good job and very well narrated. Looking forward for your future posts.

    • @lukedowdall5172
      @lukedowdall5172 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have a look at fern....green background with a f......only got about 20 homemade docs on there but is very good content for only a couple of ppl 👍

  • @nortyfiner
    @nortyfiner 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The world at large has witnessed Western hardware racking up ridiculous kill ratios against Soviet and Russian hardware across multiple wars since 1991. There is an old saying that "Any publicity is good publicity", but that definitely does NOT apply to marketing weapons.

    • @_Twink
      @_Twink 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean, the problem with tossing turrets is you advertise everything hitting the tank as a tank buster

  • @disturbingdevelopment4308
    @disturbingdevelopment4308 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    A rather disturbing observation one could make after seeing the data presented here is that the decision to invade Ukraine was influenced, at least to some degree, by falling Russian weapons sales to other countries. Likewise, the French decision to ramp up its recent rhetoric on Russia might correlate with a desire to boost French weapons manufacture and exports. Related to this, the average MAGA voter should consider that 'taxpayer donations to Ukraine' will result in increased weapons sales to other countries that completely outweigh those 'donations'. The US will make a proverbial killing from this war. It is all rather nefarious and macabre.

    • @jack727dave5
      @jack727dave5 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, Ukraine is a weird area where America’s ideals, political interests, and economic interests align with a nice opportunity to spite Putin.
      Which makes it even weirder how many seek to squander it.

  • @mindaugasbarkauskas9894
    @mindaugasbarkauskas9894 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Kinda wild how one of the things I'm looking forward to on the weekend these couple of years is a PowerPoint presentation with graphs and numbers.

  • @samuraichicken2315
    @samuraichicken2315 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Anyone want to buy a Lada?

  • @MayaPosch
    @MayaPosch 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    When your only real arms exports customer is Iran, I think it's fair to say that it's not a viable business model any more. At this point it's basically Iran and Russia selling weapons to each other.

    • @Muljinn
      @Muljinn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Kind of like the old Soviet “Sell scrap metal to the foundry to make tractors to sell tractors to the scrapyard”. It worked *so* well…

    • @u2beuser714
      @u2beuser714 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Muljinn "worked so well" when did the soviet union do that anyways? Selling tractors to scrapyard? Why?

  • @FrikInCasualMode
    @FrikInCasualMode 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    Mr. Perun, could we have a detailed analysis of how Sweden and Finland joining NATO changed the situation in Baltic Sea area? After all, it became NATO pond now, with only two Russian enclaves clinging to it.

    • @tristanridley1601
      @tristanridley1601 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I'm not sure there's enough to talk about there. NATO lake, vs Russia that wasted most of their military capacity on Ukraine.
      Those exclaves are really interesting though. I wish we had more data about that little forward military base...

    • @maryginger4877
      @maryginger4877 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      NATO has a much longer border to defend, while gain sweet FA.

    • @dpelpal
      @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@maryginger4877 NATO no longer takes russia seriously as a military power. They may say so in the media, but for the most part NATO leaders are laughing at the russian military.

    • @mombaassa
      @mombaassa 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      ​@@maryginger4877 Both NATO and Russia have a longer border to defend, now. However, NATO's membership and resources have grown with that expansion. Conversely, Russia's economic and military resources are falling as I type. That's why it's easy for the Russian Volunteer Corp and The Legion of Freedom, to conduct raids that last for days. Rusdia is over stretched.

    • @u2beuser714
      @u2beuser714 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@dpelpal If russia is a joke, why create an entire alliance to counter it?

  • @dpelpal
    @dpelpal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It's true that russian arms exports have plummeted. But arms *imports* have surged! They need all the prosthetics they can get!😂

  • @fratercontenduntocculta8161
    @fratercontenduntocculta8161 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It always stuns me how badly Russia fails at things. This is happening to a country that used to have the most technically superior space program. Yikes.

    • @Therakus
      @Therakus 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Was it “most technically superior”? They didn’t get to the moon. They didn’t build re-usable spacecraft. They didn’t design anything close to GPS.

    • @sababugs1125
      @sababugs1125 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      they had the best space programme when they started doing cause no one had invested in there
      This happens because everyone smart in Russia either gets killed or flees to the west

  • @r3dp9
    @r3dp9 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    50:00 It's even worse than that. It's not just the workers that need breaks, the factory machines do too. It can be hard or impossible to do preventative maintenance (oil checks, lubrication, cleaning, inspecting welds, etc.) while a machine is still running. Worse, when things do break, there's an incentive to do hasty patch jobs instead of a proper repair, leading to more problems in the future.
    The desire to "maximize productive", ironically, is very dangerous if you want long term productivity.

    • @dgthe3
      @dgthe3 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As a general rule, a nominal max production rate is 2 full shifts/week, as a general rule. Anything beyond that should either be temporary or have a stupendously reliable production line designed from day 1 to support continuous operation.

    • @thekinginyellow1744
      @thekinginyellow1744 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nothing wrong with trying to maximize production as long as you do a proper analysis of the factors of production. The real danger comes in when you try it hit quotas

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Kyiv in 3 days". I'm not sure the russians are capable of long term planning.

  • @greenling.
    @greenling. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    At 17:30 Perun talks about "marketing" aka reputation. I think Ukrainians did a good job in spoiling the marketing for many Russian systems by interviews in which they clearly compared and valued the western systems more than the Russian stuff. e.g. Crew Survivability or Gunsights or Environmental Awareness. And we all know what popping T72-90 Turrets do to marketing.😁

  • @marchale656
    @marchale656 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Is there really anything from Russia you would put on your shopping list at this point? Really, would you order anything?

  • @marksizer3486
    @marksizer3486 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It took me until Wednesday to watch this - and it's OG Perun charts! I shouldn't have delayed.

  • @pgr3290
    @pgr3290 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    India would rather build its own arms these days. Russia's exports were always going to crater but the war accelerated that.

    • @davidgoodnow269
      @davidgoodnow269 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The key there is "licensing."
      It's like "franchising," when it comes to marketing. And just as uniformity and quality control of consistency is the number-one rule in successful franchising, so in licensing.

  • @Balrog2005
    @Balrog2005 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    They are loosing India slowly since years. That was the country that saved their defense industry in the 90s, now this is a way bigger trend. That will be the death blow, or they go full North Korea to sustain their industry. We will see. Meanwhille number 2, 3 and 4 spots in the global weapon sellers will be a big competition every year and it seems that in that categories the West still have many good things to sell.

  • @klasandersson7522
    @klasandersson7522 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Ever since I as a teenager started reading Terry Pratchett I have followd the motto"Follow the money"! With statistics and plenty of datapoints to go that is exactly what you do here and I love it!!!

  • @nobbynobbs8182
    @nobbynobbs8182 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's no surprise that nobody wants to buy Russia's new tanks (T14) and it's Armata spin-offs when Russia itself doesn't think they're good enough to use on the battlefield compared to their older tanks and IFV's

  • @masha22092000r
    @masha22092000r 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    putin's Ukraine obsession cost him his country in basically every field: demographics, economics, reputation etc.
    An idiot who thinks himself a genius.
    Even if he miraculously succeeds in conquering Ukraine from Kharkiv to Lviv, russia as a country is up for some very tough decades.

  • @markendicott6874
    @markendicott6874 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It couldn't happen to a nicer Fascist Oligarchy.

  • @Penultimeat
    @Penultimeat 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Honestly Indi is probably at the point where it could build a decent domestic arms industry rather than import from Russia.

    • @AgentXRifle
      @AgentXRifle 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Soon, with China and Pakistan beside them they have no choice!

    • @ulfosterberg9116
      @ulfosterberg9116 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They never get out from the corruption and bureaucracy ditch.

    • @surajbiradar9827
      @surajbiradar9827 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@@ulfosterberg9116For decades the indian domestic defense industry was a monopoly of bureaucratic, inefficient and dogshit state owned enterprises, which has been broken now in recent years by the private sector due to liberalisation of defense sector. And if you look at the numbers the private sector is getting pretty good at shafting the public sector merely in a decades time.

    • @chilbiyito
      @chilbiyito 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@surajbiradar9827good times ahead?

    • @surajbiradar9827
      @surajbiradar9827 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@chilbiyito looks like it. Historically the pattern is clear, the government leaves the sector = that sector becomes much better. For example it took the indian government 50 years to realise that they can't run an airline. So after trashing it for years, they sold it in 2021 to the same industrial group from whom they bought it originally.

  • @draganjagodic4056
    @draganjagodic4056 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Excellent analysis. Always pleasure to listen. Matter of fact, looking forward to each Sunday, to learn something new. Yes, Your vids are also educational for many people who had some general idea about defense industry and military. Cordial regards dear Landsman 🌞

  • @MM22966
    @MM22966 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "Uncle Sam's Munitions Mart"
    I heard it in caps, like Walmart or Home Depot. FUND IT.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It would need to be NAFTAmart if it’s to be competitive. Uncle Sam would be the house brand.

  • @FuaConsternation
    @FuaConsternation 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Thank god for the internet, Thank Perun for raising our IQs beyond "oooo kitty cat!"

    • @death_parade
      @death_parade 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Here is another channel to help you raise your IQ beyond "ooo kitty cat!" as you said it:-
      ISSAC ARTHUR
      He is the Perun of futurism.

  • @saltech3444
    @saltech3444 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Before the war, China would proudly announce that they had finally matched Russian technology for this or that piece of military equipment. I have a feeling they won't announce that quite so proudly now.

  • @JZ909
    @JZ909 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I think a big problem for the Russian defense industry is that the Ukraine war is putting Russian equipment in a very advantageous position, but it's still consistently performing poorly against dated western equipment.
    In the past, Russia could explain away poor equipment performance as impossible circumstances (I.E. Desert Storm), or one-offs (Pakistani/Indian fighter skirmishes). Now, with late-variant Flankers routinely getting picked off by PAC-2 Patriots, and S-400 struggling against GMLRS and Storm Shadow, it really calls into question their utility against any threat they're designed to address.
    That's not to say everything is performing poorly, but Russia can only really showcase a few gems, while entire categories of equipment, like combat aviation, can more or less be written off as no longer viable on the international market.

  • @Mightydoggo
    @Mightydoggo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "But the sanctions have no impact, Russia is doing better than ever! Acschually, It´s the west who´s going to loose!!!" -every Russian propaganda bot

  • @Shadey88
    @Shadey88 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Once again a peerless episode. Very interested to hear more about US, British and Korean arms industries

  • @andarara-c1p
    @andarara-c1p 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    But don't worry Putinikis. All is accooooording to the plan XDDDDD

  • @cockatoo010
    @cockatoo010 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +122

    You appear confused. The T72 is not a tank, but rather an orbital launch system.

    • @stefansekulic7903
      @stefansekulic7903 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Turrets fly into the stratosphere.

    • @ThatOliveMrT
      @ThatOliveMrT 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The closest they'll ever get to heaven... ​@@stefansekulic7903

    • @AndreasB-p8w
      @AndreasB-p8w 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@stefansekulic7903 No, that's incorrect. Russian tanks even fail at that undertaking miserably just at 5% between top and bottom. But they excel in making a very nice New Years fireworks all season long. Caveat: Soem ukrainian soldiers need to use the same failing orbital launch system.

  • @dannymac6368
    @dannymac6368 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    My goodness, Perun, your ability to comprehensively and concisely convey such a wealth of information *with context* is astounding. Thank you so much for sharing your passion with the world. 👊🏼

  • @tamoroso
    @tamoroso 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "Weld quality so bad it is difficult to distinguish from fire damage". Damn, this is why I watch these videos. The lovely gems of 'OMG, he totally went there!' Nicely done.

  • @squireson
    @squireson 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Is it just me or does some of this argue _in favor_ of Russia going for a 'forever war' just to keep their military strength up? I mean there are more than a few ways to divest to invest and alot of BMP-1 need .... updating.

    • @hugodias3673
      @hugodias3673 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Do you think RU will do like USA forever wars? looks like the american military complex and american economy depend a lot on it!

    • @RazorsharpLT
      @RazorsharpLT 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They literally can't afford it.
      As much flak as we give the Russian populace for basically being serfs - they still have limits on their poverty that they can handle when most of the money meant for infrastructure is divested towards the military
      Just look at the massive electricity and heat outages in Russia this winter

    • @kingalphawerewolf
      @kingalphawerewolf 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      he's said exactly this. They may not be purposely aiming for it, but it's where they'll end up.

    • @uku4171
      @uku4171 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      The longer the war goes on, the more expensive it is, but also the more catastrophic the defeat would be. At this point he's basically operating on either bad information or sunk cost fallacy.

    • @MartynWilkinson45
      @MartynWilkinson45 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Without the ability to produce high tech goods domestically with home grown skills and raw resources, the forever war economic model requires a steady stream of conquests, see Germany circa 1941. Somehow, I can't see the second best army in Ukraine getting enough loot to prop up its economic failures.

  • @JamesPursel-k8g
    @JamesPursel-k8g 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Keep up your good work. Your in depth analysis and dry wit is appreciated. Mostly your in depth analysis.

  • @liamartinproductions
    @liamartinproductions 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Turns out putin was playing 1d chess

    • @rogerk6180
      @rogerk6180 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      0.5d checkers.

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Looks more and more like he was trying to play tic tac toe on a chess board against a grand master.

  • @hisako-1984
    @hisako-1984 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I always love the "it wasn't as bad as reported, it's much worse" switcheroo.

  • @jean-emmanuelrotzetter6030
    @jean-emmanuelrotzetter6030 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Excellent comment too.
    Would add that artillery shells are made in a wide price range, especially the high-tech long distance guided shells Russia not really produces. Same for short distance . ground-to-ground rocket systems.
    Other point is that competition is built up again in many countries that stopped development and production since the breakdown of Soviet Union 30 year ago such as Germany and countries entering the market with successful products, for example Türkiye, South Korea

  • @BarsMonster
    @BarsMonster 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    My reading is that Russian military production since 2014 is at capacity (for domestic customer), and in overdrive since 2022. Foreign sales are luxury of peace time.

    • @ickyconcrete5370
      @ickyconcrete5370 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah, it's like he forgot that Russia is currently in a war and that everything is being thrown at Ukraine.

    • @BlackeyeVuk
      @BlackeyeVuk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which is why reading these brainlets get 2k votes on stupid comments about 'ruzzia' arms collapse is giving me a migraine. Even if video provides some information, the community is toxic and drives propaganda.
      Besides, his "data" is wrong anyway. Military contracts especially now are disclosed more than ever. Serbia for example is WAITING on several contracts and wants more stuff, but is unable to do so due to war and sanctions. But still received Helicopters for civs service at least. Perun haven't mention that.
      All in all a good 2/10 on this topic. He shows alot of misinformation and fail to conceptioalise the current situation.

    • @afterthesmash
      @afterthesmash 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ickyconcrete5370 He mentioned internal consumption as potentially commanding so much materiel that foreign buyers begin to wonder if their orders will ship on time.
      Yeah, it's like you forgot to turn on your hearing aid.

    • @ickyconcrete5370
      @ickyconcrete5370 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@afterthesmash Where else are they going to go for equipment? Its like you forgot to turn on your brain..

    • @jukahri
      @jukahri 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ickyconcrete5370 " it's like he forgot "... please watch the video before commenting.

  • @Galomortalbr
    @Galomortalbr 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    sounds more like Countries being afraid of receiving sanctions than anything else, recently Egypt wanted to buy Russian jets but changed their minds after being threatened with sanctions, considering that Russia expelled French presence from Africa with minimal to no resistance it do not seem to me that their arms market is anything of note, seems like the sanctions where effective in the arms export market.

  • @TheMrshawnpaul
    @TheMrshawnpaul 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It seems that Putin is greatly underestimating the long-term impact of this war. It will take Russia decades to recover, if it does.
    As other industries take off, Russia has locked itself in a conflict that they can only hope to gain destroyed territory when it’s over.

  • @markedwards4879
    @markedwards4879 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Really happy to see this, it’s a topic I’ve been wondering about since the invasion began. I fail to see any real upside for Russia out of this in almost any timeframe.
    This episode has everything that I appreciate from Perun. Quality information, qualitative and supported with data plus some jokes along the way.
    Much appreciated.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If anything, Perun is underestimating the downside.

    • @Alan.livingston
      @Alan.livingston 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If the Ukes had collapsed in a few days then it would have been able to dictate terms at very little cost like they did in Georgia. Once that failed then it has turned into a face saving operation I guess.

    • @Daokl
      @Daokl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Alan.livingstonyou seem to forget that previous operation, not "special" but "counter-terrorist" one - took Russia 10 years till "its finished" announcement. And that was against non-state entity. Do you really think they haven't planned that this one could be same length or longer?