Hilti 22 Volt NURON 12-inch Miter Saw and Miter Saw Stand Join this channel to get access to perks: / @concordcarpenter #Hiltiunboxed2023 @HiltiNorthAmerica
About time. Glad to see Hilti covering their bases with the Nuron. Even Festool felt the need to bring out a cordless recip. It's frustrating to have to run 2 to 3 different brands to cover areas and that's before we get to the compromises over the same tools between different brands. Thanks for the video - it's a great intro.
I agree I looked at Festool Makita Milwaukee Bosch For sliding miter saw I need a 7.25 " slider for trim work. Ruled out festool feel more for furniture and cabinets Milwaukee is okay not enough cut capacity Metabo is 1,200 yet offers a lot. Makita is the winner. Asked Hilti to make a cordless slider earlier this year, said consider it. Then late dinner asked Hilti to make 7.25 slider Was transfered to support he listened and made notes. See if it comes out soon.
@@jeffalan6339Hilti listens. I love that. If you compare Makita and Milwaukee: Makita is way more expensive under the hood. Name brand parts where Milwaukee is just scary at times. However, Milwaukee kills Makita in the US. How come? Easy. They send out reps that ask customers what they need. Makita sends a bimbo every once in a while.
This saw looks a lot like my Makita, only in red. Lots of similarities like the slides, handle position, rear arm design, etc. The shadow line is an improvement over the laser Makita uses tho.
Not sold on battery bench tools, especially expensive ones. I have a graveyard of drills and saws because batteries had been discontinued. Yet, my corded tools will work till they die, not when a manufacturer obsoletes them.
Well "luckily" all my old hiltis where stolen so I've had to upgrade to the nuron platform. Hilti does offer a converter to use nuron batteries on older tools which is nice
Me neither why cordless... of course its more money for companies replacing the batteries. Batteries will get worse before better. It proven equipment actually is downgraded when you use batteries.
Looks like the Makita with a lot more mass (and weight). To bad Hilti matched the industry standard of 14” cross cut. 16” would make it more useful for building things like closet and garage organizers.
They need to make a seven and a quarter version that’s the way battery chop saws r going , lighter more portable thus more user friendly and they virtually perform every task needed in fit outs because of the width they can cut hilti will definitely b missing a trick if they don’t make the baby brother honestly the seven and quarter is definitely taking over site work from what I’ve seen that said it looks a quality saw ( u wouldn’t expect anything less with hilti) and I love the bevel adjustments that r all at the front of the tool so much easier to work with but u know this thing is gonna b bank breaker ,double expensive
To lower they weight the could make the saw section remove off the miter portion then that could me modular for other size heads to be attached or new tool concepts. Oscillating chop blades as a future cutting method.
Having a mobile stand with wheels would put this over the top. I’ve running Bosch gravity stand for over ten years on my 12inch miter saw. Recently purchased Festool cordless saw with stand. Haven’t made enough sawdust yet to give opinion but quality is top notch. Looking forward to see this Hilti
They listened I called earlier this year for cordless miter saw. I was transfered to support we talked he made notes. I asked if could make for us finish carpenter guys 7.25 saw he again made notes Hilton said they will get started Hilti will listen unlike Milwaukee . Got idea call Hilti everyone
They were working on that before you called trust me. We always get people calling about tools we are in the middle of designing and then they call back a few months later when they launch making out it was their idea. Nice that they took the time to listen but don't give them to much credit.
Thanks again Rob and team for the information. At 47 ,my saw doesn't leave its rolling stand unless stairs are involved. For a folding stand,the top is very wide without providing any benefits. Looks like it takes up extra room when stored sans saw. I do like the shadow light,honestly should be standard on every mitersaw. Re; tailswing it has never been an issue. Junked a 12yr dw708 because of motor failure,but had no issues from its depth. Have a Festool (terrible handle),and 2 Bosch X-glides at work (saws try to push the saw up and towards you while cutting. Whatever gain in depth, is lost in safety and production. Hilti has become much better at being accessible for smaller companies, and bringing more tooling to the market. That being said as a sole person in my trim business, the lack of availability (60 miles to the closest store),and lineup ...it doesn't work for me. 12v Bosch, Milwaukee, and Metabo. 18v Ryobi, Ridgid, Makita, Metabo, Fein,and Milwaukee are enough to keep up with. Competition is always good for the marketplace, and who knows when they could release a new tool that could fill a need in my business.
Your'e NOT wrong - they're working to improve this. They recommended folkslike us [smaller companies] call thier 800 number and get connected with a "dedicated" customer service rep.
Everyone needs to set up their game with stands should be on wheels and should have wings that can attach to the stand. We shouldn't have to buy a cut hub or a fastcap best fence for the saw it should be a option from the tool company
Here's what I want in a miter saw. 1. 10" - 7.25" Won't cut thick material, 12" is too heavy. 2. Forward rails - Super important when using in a shop 3. AC/DC - Seems like a no brainer 4. Light weight but sturdy 5. Eliminate nooks and cranies - Smooth surfaces to adjust easy and easy to clean.
Thanks for taking the time to film! But what's going on here, showing a saw to the public that won't be available to purchase for 12 months? Is this nuts or what? Thumbs up.
Nice looking tool. They really should try to make the variable speed low enough for a cold cut metal cutting blade (for steel). I’ve converted a Dewalt Flexvolt saw for that, it’s a very handy feature, with the growth in steel framing, and also steel lintels becoming common here in New Zealand. The saw itself looks well designed, especially the bevel adjustment levers being at the front. Wonder if the dust extraction is any good.
A mi también me emociono mucho ver una máquina de estas , pero de hilti, ya quiero ver las reviws Me gustaría que viniera para 120v y en 2 tonos el color
Variable speed has been around for years, especially on the DeWalt… yes great, you can push it right up against the wall but look where the extraction outlet is!!!
If this gets the same 20 year warranty as their other tools its going to be a strong consideration for me even with the prospect of buying new batteries. Cordless 12 saws take a beating with starting that big blade.
To be honest it looks like they took a Makita 12" miter saw and painted red. This looks almost exactly like my Makita 36v 12" miter saw the back fence pieces even clip between the deck extentions exactly like this does only different I see is the variable speed option and color.
I wonder how much they are paying makita for copying a bunch of stuff. The bevel lock looks cool, but I wonder how tight it locks it. We all know bevel wants to get freaky sometimes. The thing that sold me on the 40v makita 12 inch, is the combination of AWS, shadow line, and bevel smoothness and ease of use. Makita really knocked or out of the park with soft start and stop too.
I have to say - I don’t think anyone makes a stand that transports well - none of them hang on the wall well, side in the truck or van well, fold up without being flipped a few times, have extensions that fold up out of the way for transport etc - if someone would just put the same amount of design into the stand as they do the saw I would pay for it even if it cost more than the saw. I have tried the Bosch - it’s better than most but not really compact
With Hilti, the "hi-hundreds" means a thousand. The stand is a clunky saw horse compared to the Ridgid fold-out stand. Ryobi does a better job. The saw looks nice but there are much better products for less cash. Hilti has good products but is being left behind in the price vs value. 40 years ago they had the roto-hammer market that time has passed.
To hell with taking the saw off the stand and have to carry everything around! All other stands the saw stand collapses and you wheel it away like a dolly. I can’t believe as high priced as hilly stuff is they have a prehistoric stand!!!,
Hilti tools are trash, sent brand new impact drivers back multiple times, cordless circular saw got dropped from waist high and the plate bent, lazer level is temperamental, thank god someone broke into my van and stole this garbage. Insurance paid for my dewalt tools, and I haven't looked back since
@@ConcordCarpenter You're absolutely right. It is un-explainable this thing has no wheels ... Hilti rep also mention this saw would fit on other brands stand, so it's no crisis then. Otherwise, that saw looks awesome. Talking about age, life remembered me I had sciatic nerve last week ... Locked as fuck since.
Looks like Hilti are starting to make tools for the sake of making tools now. No innovation in the saw or stand. I’ve got lots of Hilti and lots of festool. I wouldn’t buy this saw.
About time. Glad to see Hilti covering their bases with the Nuron. Even Festool felt the need to bring out a cordless recip. It's frustrating to have to run 2 to 3 different brands to cover areas and that's before we get to the compromises over the same tools between different brands. Thanks for the video - it's a great intro.
I agree
I looked at
Festool
Makita
Milwaukee
Bosch
For sliding miter saw
I need a 7.25 " slider for trim work.
Ruled out festool feel more for furniture and cabinets
Milwaukee is okay not enough cut capacity
Metabo is 1,200 yet offers a lot.
Makita is the winner.
Asked Hilti to make a cordless slider earlier this year, said consider it.
Then late dinner asked Hilti to make 7.25 slider
Was transfered to support he listened and made notes.
See if it comes out soon.
@@jeffalan6339Hilti listens. I love that. If you compare Makita and Milwaukee: Makita is way more expensive under the hood. Name brand parts where Milwaukee is just scary at times. However, Milwaukee kills Makita in the US. How come? Easy. They send out reps that ask customers what they need. Makita sends a bimbo every once in a while.
Coincidentally the Hilti miter saw and Festool recip saw are both made by the same manufacturer. 😅
@@robertrada4783Who is it? Flex?
Price
For a miter saw stand I think the Ridgid with the big wheels is the best bang for the price there is. That's what I got for my dewalt saw
This saw looks extremely well built and legit
Robust!
This saw looks a lot like my Makita, only in red. Lots of similarities like the slides, handle position, rear arm design, etc. The shadow line is an improvement over the laser Makita uses tho.
Not sold on battery bench tools, especially expensive ones. I have a graveyard of drills and saws because batteries had been discontinued. Yet, my corded tools will work till they die, not when a manufacturer obsoletes them.
Wouldve been great for cordless/corded option.
Well "luckily" all my old hiltis where stolen so I've had to upgrade to the nuron platform. Hilti does offer a converter to use nuron batteries on older tools which is nice
Me neither why cordless... of course its more money for companies replacing the batteries. Batteries will get worse before better. It proven equipment actually is downgraded when you use batteries.
Red Makita
At least it's the good color of red
similar
Looks like the Makita with a lot more mass (and weight).
To bad Hilti matched the industry standard of 14” cross cut. 16” would make it more useful for building things like closet and garage organizers.
Bruh, it’s a red Kobalt.
Holy crap! This looks freakin amazing!
It does!
I got the dewalt 60v mitersaw kit a couple months ago and put it on the rolling ridgid stand and love it! I’ve built whole decks on one charge!
They need to make a seven and a quarter version that’s the way battery chop saws r going , lighter more portable thus more user friendly and they virtually perform every task needed in fit outs because of the width they can cut hilti will definitely b missing a trick if they don’t make the baby brother honestly the seven and quarter is definitely taking over site work from what I’ve seen that said it looks a quality saw ( u wouldn’t expect anything less with hilti) and I love the bevel adjustments that r all at the front of the tool so much easier to work with but u know this thing is gonna b bank breaker ,double expensive
Agreed
To lower they weight the could make the saw section remove off the miter portion then that could me modular for other size heads to be attached or new tool concepts. Oscillating chop blades as a future cutting method.
I like the trays on the stand, good for cutting list and bits n bobs, I make my own for most of my stands
Yes nice touch
Love the bevel lock is in front
Im excited about that saw. Great video Concord. I will be buying that next year.
Im sold on the front bevel I already own a couple hilti tool and they are great tool.
Having a mobile stand with wheels would put this over the top. I’ve running Bosch gravity stand for over ten years on my 12inch miter saw. Recently purchased Festool cordless saw with stand. Haven’t made enough sawdust yet to give opinion but quality is top notch. Looking forward to see this Hilti
They listened
I called earlier this year for cordless miter saw.
I was transfered to support we talked he made notes.
I asked if could make for us finish carpenter guys 7.25 saw he again made notes
Hilton said they will get started
Hilti will listen unlike Milwaukee .
Got idea call Hilti everyone
They were working on that before you called trust me. We always get people calling about tools we are in the middle of designing and then they call back a few months later when they launch making out it was their idea. Nice that they took the time to listen but don't give them to much credit.
Thanks again Rob and team for the information.
At 47 ,my saw doesn't leave its rolling stand unless stairs are involved.
For a folding stand,the top is very wide without providing any benefits.
Looks like it takes up extra room when stored sans saw.
I do like the shadow light,honestly should be standard on every mitersaw.
Re; tailswing it has never been an issue.
Junked a 12yr dw708 because of motor failure,but had no issues from its depth.
Have a Festool (terrible handle),and 2 Bosch X-glides at work (saws try to push the saw up and towards you while cutting.
Whatever gain in depth, is lost in safety and production.
Hilti has become much better at being accessible for smaller companies, and bringing more tooling to the market.
That being said as a sole person in my trim business, the lack of availability (60 miles to the closest store),and lineup ...it doesn't work for me.
12v Bosch, Milwaukee, and Metabo.
18v Ryobi, Ridgid, Makita, Metabo, Fein,and Milwaukee are enough to keep up with.
Competition is always good for the marketplace, and who knows when they could release a new tool that could fill a need in my business.
Your'e NOT wrong - they're working to improve this. They recommended folkslike us [smaller companies] call thier 800 number and get connected with a "dedicated" customer service rep.
Nice one. Thanks for the video.
Can’t wait for this to launch!!!
12" balde machine At 60 pounds is pretty portable it weighs just as much as my makita 10 inch 40v miter saw and I take that shit everywhere. Not bad
Everyone needs to set up their game with stands should be on wheels and should have wings that can attach to the stand. We shouldn't have to buy a cut hub or a fastcap best fence for the saw it should be a option from the tool company
I agree about heavy tools. I'm in my 50's and that does not look portable to me. I like my cordless 8 1/2' Makita.
I'm with you I can do 95% of my cutting with my 8 1/2 '' Makita and not strain my body carrying it around by myself .
Yeah, I can carry it around in one hand, and cut on the spot with ease. XGT batteries are great as well.@@degrom542
Got the new Festool at 35 lbs ,40 lbs less than my Bosch 😊
Love my teal coloured tools also.👍🇨🇦
Agreed
@@degrom542
@@ConcordCarpenteris I have the 12" cordless new dewalt for bigger stuff and larger trim, baby kapex for other
Hilti $$$$$$$$ Wish I was a pro to justify it like the kapex
У Хилти появилась торцовка 👍👍👍
Here's what I want in a miter saw.
1. 10" - 7.25" Won't cut thick material, 12" is too heavy.
2. Forward rails - Super important when using in a shop
3. AC/DC - Seems like a no brainer
4. Light weight but sturdy
5. Eliminate nooks and cranies - Smooth surfaces to adjust easy and easy to clean.
Dude that looks killer. Why would they tease it so early.
Its only a couple of months out
You've got to get a VC 150-10 XE in house the gen 2 one...holy crap this things good better then festool.
Thanks for taking the time to film!
But what's going on here, showing a saw to the public that won't be available to purchase for 12 months? Is this nuts or what?
Thumbs up.
pre-order baby!
It’s not even listed on their website
And I called and they don’t even have it in their computer.
Nice looking tool. They really should try to make the variable speed low enough for a cold cut metal cutting blade (for steel). I’ve converted a Dewalt Flexvolt saw for that, it’s a very handy feature, with the growth in steel framing, and also steel lintels becoming common here in New Zealand.
The saw itself looks well designed, especially the bevel adjustment levers being at the front.
Wonder if the dust extraction is any good.
Also wanted to commend the Hilti employee for his practical knowledge of the tool, he’d been well briefed, at the very least.
I asked foir a 7-1/4 saw as well as I do 80-+% of my work with it
12”!
A mi también me emociono mucho ver una máquina de estas , pero de hilti, ya quiero ver las reviws
Me gustaría que viniera para 120v y en 2 tonos el color
almost looks like a combo of bosch and makita
Couple of things festool has a speed dial and is that a bosh in red with a couple of changes of handles ?
Chervon
Variable speed has been around for years, especially on the DeWalt… yes great, you can push it right up against the wall but look where the extraction outlet is!!!
Agreed.
😎⚒️😎⚒️😎
End of 2024….wow!
This is pretty much a red makita clone.
@rob, the bosch surgeon has various speed settings
Makita LS002. Can't give my cordless mitre enough praise.
This does look interesting in a full sized mitre saw option though.
I have the 10" Milwaukee, but this looks like it's in a different league
I have one too but it's outdated. Time for get a new milter. Maybe Makita
Braden!
If this gets the same 20 year warranty as their other tools its going to be a strong consideration for me even with the prospect of buying new batteries. Cordless 12 saws take a beating with starting that big blade.
All HILTI TOOLS get 20 year warrantee.
I’m interested to see how the Tracksaw Holds up.
Not up against a wall when Dust Collection comes out the back like that!
Just following after Makita I see. A red version
In all seriousness the Bosch 18v profactor surgeon has adjustable speed
Come on Hilti get with the times, use a vertical handle for easy both hands operation!
All I'm interested in knowing is how accurate this saw is. Does the cut drift the more it slide out? Are the detents metal or are they using plastic
better than delta arm design
I Wish they would also make a 8 or 10” version
Me too
My Makita fence 'clips down' too
Will it have a corded plug?
still miles behind festool kapex
To be honest it looks like they took a Makita 12" miter saw and painted red. This looks almost exactly like my Makita 36v 12" miter saw the back fence pieces even clip between the deck extentions exactly like this does only different I see is the variable speed option and color.
What about the crown cut? Does it have a holding hole?
looks like a Red Makita
Será que vai vende essa serra esquadria a cabo ? Essa serra é quanto custa?
its the GCM 12" 18V SDE Bosch never gave us
Is it for sale yet , can't find it on the net ?
Seems like this machine has the same design like the Makita machines 2x18v
Did he say about $500?
I think he said "high hundreds" so $800-$900?
who knows when is this saw coming out?
This could be a shop saw. 2024 is a long ways away, though.
2-3 months
@@ConcordCarpenter end of 24 is a year away
Looks nice but too much red lol
Someone can tell me the price of this ?
It would be better if you find another time to shoot the video. The sound of the saw running in the background is super annoying. But thanks
Sorry man - there is no other time - there are other stations running and only so much space to set uyp
Can you cut steel with it?
I wonder how much they are paying makita for copying a bunch of stuff. The bevel lock looks cool, but I wonder how tight it locks it. We all know bevel wants to get freaky sometimes. The thing that sold me on the 40v makita 12 inch, is the combination of AWS, shadow line, and bevel smoothness and ease of use. Makita really knocked or out of the park with soft start and stop too.
You talking about things Makita copied from Hitachi and Festool…or…?😂
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Makita ?
I have to say - I don’t think anyone makes a stand that transports well - none of them hang on the wall well, side in the truck or van well, fold up without being flipped a few times, have extensions that fold up out of the way for transport etc - if someone would just put the same amount of design into the stand as they do the saw I would pay for it even if it cost more than the saw. I have tried the Bosch - it’s better than most but not really compact
This one will go against the wall if your willing to rotate the outriggers for transport and storage
With Hilti, the "hi-hundreds" means a thousand. The stand is a clunky saw horse compared to the Ridgid fold-out stand. Ryobi does a better job. The saw looks nice but there are much better products for less cash. Hilti has good products but is being left behind in the price vs value. 40 years ago they had the roto-hammer market that time has passed.
Hilti isn't playing the price game. They play the service and long game. nobody can come close to their field team!
Did hilti fire the whole engineering department? Copying makita and mirka , what's next going after festool?😂
To hell with taking the saw off the stand and have to carry everything around! All other stands the saw stand collapses and you wheel it away like a dolly. I can’t believe as high priced as hilly stuff is they have a prehistoric stand!!!,
Cuál es el precio ?
That's a makita saw in red
Way too much red
what do you recommend
@@ConcordCarpenter
The hilti red is fine but let’s tone it down on the saw and the stand
Just my opinion
Hilti tools are trash, sent brand new impact drivers back multiple times, cordless circular saw got dropped from waist high and the plate bent, lazer level is temperamental, thank god someone broke into my van and stole this garbage. Insurance paid for my dewalt tools, and I haven't looked back since
Nothing portable about any 12'' miter saw . Portable is a Makita 8 1/2'' cordless 40v miter saw.
Its a Makita 1219 LX for triple price... Hilti - nothing special;)
They seem to have copied the new Makita design.
Small, lightweight compact mitre saws are where it is at these days, no one wants these old dinosaws...
Well. We figured already you were not inclined to move such a saw everyday on a job site. Guess what ? I'm not either !!!! Age is a thing clearly.
Lighter is better or it hs to be on wheels
@@ConcordCarpenter You're absolutely right. It is un-explainable this thing has no wheels ... Hilti rep also mention this saw would fit on other brands stand, so it's no crisis then. Otherwise, that saw looks awesome. Talking about age, life remembered me I had sciatic nerve last week ... Locked as fuck since.
Used to think hilti was boss, but that saw stand looks beyond cheap and crap.
its not
Looks like Hilti are starting to make tools for the sake of making tools now. No innovation in the saw or stand.
I’ve got lots of Hilti and lots of festool. I wouldn’t buy this saw.
Disagree - this stand is great!
Saw looks good, but Stand is absolutely trash though.
Lots of janky non sense going on , shit carry handle remove the fence like who does that