The road to hell is paved with good intentions! I suggest you go back and re-watch some Louis Rossmann videos about ownership before supporting this idea. I have no problem supporting my developers. However, when we talk about "purchasing" software packages, they had better be: 1. Downloadable for local install so they can be reinstalled in the future without relying on a copy being on a server/repository under the control of "others". 2. Cannot require any communications with a remote server for installation or continued use. Without these requirements, it is a short trip to subscription software, and Linux will be no better than Microsoft.
Amen brother. So tired Of the forced flatpack in Linux Mint. All these new stores in Linux has always been about making them a windows/Mac/Android device for Corporate and Government purposes. About charging you. I have been complaining and commenting since the beginning of this bait and switch. But young people are always blinded by easy and look alike Mac, windows that run their malware programs.
@@EXTEZZEE Forced? you do realize you do not have to use it, furthermore, you can remove, and use alternatives. Linux Mint idea is about getting started using container apps. Its just that Flatpaks is open source is all. This is far from being "forced" like you say.
Comments: "No JUST DONATIONS!!!!!! (because I'll never donate) SELLING IS EVIL (because I'd rather choose not to donate)" FOSS MEANS FREE, NO MONEY!!!! (Wrong)
@@20NewJourney23 Tell me a "basic app" that is switching to a full paid for model with no source code available to compile that is FOSS? I also don't think even the destitute deserve everything for free, if you are talking about Microsoft or Adobe or etc products. The creators/owners have freedoms to not choose FOSS even though I love the FOSS software.
I started this year to donate to the apps I uses frequently two so far Blender and Linux Mint. Next year I will continue with those two and add Libreoffice, GIMP, and Inkscape to that list.
I see flatpacking open source as problematic as it would require the consent of all the contributing developers. Can't see that working out. It might tempt developers to develop their software for Linux where it has only been available for other OS's. That's a positive. It could also be positive for capturing donations for developers. So, you can still install and use the flatpacked software for free, but a simple click on the software on a donate menu option would use the flatpack infrastructure to take the donation and, take a fee, and pipe the balance to the developer. I think there's potential here. I'll maintain a positive outlook - at least for now!
Pretty sure they can't charge for free apps. This will be a way to introduce apps that are not free. If you are not paying for any right now, you won't pay for them later either.
For those of us living on a shoestring, working hard to make ends meet, having to pay for apps we use on Linux could mean we have to forego having the app. I work really hard, I never go out with my friends, I don't buy new clothes (except I did buy some much needed thermal underwear!). The only entertainment I have is via Linux and a flatpak. It isn't always about choice, for me there isn't a choice, we just don't have enough money after we pay our bills.
I am not anticipating any app that is currently free to start charging, but some apps people have used that are not on Linux, this might motivate developers to put them on Linux.
off subject a little but after dusting off a old Chromebook to play some raid shadow realms the newest updates added some real bad crap .. a annoying gaming bar that has absolutely no way to remove ... guess its time to add Mint to my last non modded Chromebook as well
For example on Mint: In the Software Manager, when you select the Flatpak version of GIMP, a "donate" button would appear for the option to pay the developers. Payment needs NOT TO BE MANDATORY to install or use the software.
@@frfrankie23 Just curious, but why? You can easily ignore any paid apps that come to flathub and just continue using the free apps. This is great because more applications that are not free could make their way to flathub. More Linux support should be a good thing, no?
I would only pay for something Proprietary, but not something I can go to their website or the Distro repos and download for free. Really I hope that is the goal to lure over more paid Proprietary software and give them a universal platform to run on Linux. Paid FOSS is just doomed to failure.
Flat hub sucks. The packages are growing bigger by the day, slower, I will never pay for Linux! Only corruption follows this model! I can’t stand Mint is forcing flat crap.
Flathub should make a store for downloading Linux video games. Steam charges developers a ridiculous 30% and you need to connect to Steam to play your game.
If we are talking about donations yes, but, paying and then being forced to hand over personal data...... Like with windows and their software supporters..... NO! After all, paying for something means it is no longer FOSS now is it?
@@hopelessdecoy i will wait then to see what they come up with and how it will look like in the end. If they wanna go with paid apps too i can accept that under single condition: if i pay for app i want all features app has to offer and no differentiation between enterprise and non enterprise users.
I'm writing this since many idiots in the comment are the real reason why Linux isn't growing. As a developer I am happy to help the community but working hard free of charge is the solid mistake that users tend to follow. We all have homes to maintain not just Linux for life. Paid products isn't evil but greed is. So stop promoting Linux as a free of charge system since this will never work for you or for the community.
As an EU citizen I'm against yet another US-based organisation that is controlling a major part of Linux infrastructure. Especially in a country that is subject to the maligned Patriot Law. I do not trust the coming US administration with my data. I regularly donate to projects that I think deserve my support, but I am vehemently against a paywall for FOSS Software. Linux and the many great software packages that surround it is one the last havens that the have-nots can use.
There is a famous saying in proprietary software users: "If you can't afford it, pirate it." Now this will applied to Open Source world. Now a serious thing: everything requires funds to proceed. If you pay developer good money you will get better software with good modern GUI. Linux will get rid of 1990s looks of it's software. For people who need free software there should be a free version of software with basic functions. Alternatively, a system to provide quality software to people struggling for their livelihood be made.
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Like it or not, solving this problem will bring commercial software to Linux, and this will be a good thing.
I think this might be a good thing. More money more developent more and better programs.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions! I suggest you go back and re-watch some Louis Rossmann videos about ownership before supporting this idea. I have no problem supporting my developers. However, when we talk about "purchasing" software packages, they had better be:
1. Downloadable for local install so they can be reinstalled in the future without relying on a copy being on a server/repository under the control of "others".
2. Cannot require any communications with a remote server for installation or continued use.
Without these requirements, it is a short trip to subscription software, and Linux will be no better than Microsoft.
Amen brother. So tired Of the forced flatpack in Linux Mint. All these new stores in Linux has always been about making them a windows/Mac/Android device for Corporate and Government purposes. About charging you. I have been complaining and commenting since the beginning of this bait and switch. But young people are always blinded by easy and look alike Mac, windows that run their malware programs.
@@EXTEZZEE Forced? you do realize you do not have to use it, furthermore, you can remove, and use alternatives. Linux Mint idea is about getting started using container apps. Its just that Flatpaks is open source is all. This is far from being "forced" like you say.
Comments: "No JUST DONATIONS!!!!!! (because I'll never donate)
SELLING IS EVIL (because I'd rather choose not to donate)"
FOSS MEANS FREE, NO MONEY!!!! (Wrong)
How about those who are destitute and cannot afford to buy basic apps that have always been free?
@@20NewJourney23 Tell me a "basic app" that is switching to a full paid for model with no source code available to compile that is FOSS?
I also don't think even the destitute deserve everything for free, if you are talking about Microsoft or Adobe or etc products. The creators/owners have freedoms to not choose FOSS even though I love the FOSS software.
@@20NewJourney23 The free alternatives would remain free of charge for the destitute and cheapskates.
I started this year to donate to the apps I uses frequently two so far Blender and Linux Mint. Next year I will continue with those two and add Libreoffice, GIMP, and Inkscape to that list.
I'm happy that they finally started doing this. This is one less barrier for Linux support.
exactly
I see flatpacking open source as problematic as it would require the consent of all the contributing developers. Can't see that working out.
It might tempt developers to develop their software for Linux where it has only been available for other OS's. That's a positive.
It could also be positive for capturing donations for developers. So, you can still install and use the flatpacked software for free, but a simple click on the software on a donate menu option would use the flatpack infrastructure to take the donation and, take a fee, and pipe the balance to the developer.
I think there's potential here. I'll maintain a positive outlook - at least for now!
like the shareware model of years gone by. If it's good you can donate.
I only use flatpaks and system packages and no, I can't think of a single one I'd actually pay for.
Donate, just as good.
Pretty sure they can't charge for free apps. This will be a way to introduce apps that are not free. If you are not paying for any right now, you won't pay for them later either.
For those of us living on a shoestring, working hard to make ends meet, having to pay for apps we use on Linux could mean we have to forego having the app. I work really hard, I never go out with my friends, I don't buy new clothes (except I did buy some much needed thermal underwear!). The only entertainment I have is via Linux and a flatpak. It isn't always about choice, for me there isn't a choice, we just don't have enough money after we pay our bills.
I am not anticipating any app that is currently free to start charging, but some apps people have used that are not on Linux, this might motivate developers to put them on Linux.
Good show.
Until the software stay free (I mean free as in freedom) I don't mind if I have to pay for a copy or not
off subject a little but after dusting off a old Chromebook to play some raid shadow realms the newest updates added some real bad crap .. a annoying gaming bar that has absolutely no way to remove ... guess its time to add Mint to my last non modded Chromebook as well
I can pay for any Linux project
Buy? Yes. Serfware, “subscription”, no.
Agree 100%
For example on Mint: In the Software Manager, when you select the Flatpak version of GIMP, a "donate" button would appear for the option to pay the developers. Payment needs NOT TO BE MANDATORY to install or use the software.
Oh god here we go.
Yup, cya Linux.
@@frfrankie23 Take me with you.
@@frfrankie23 Just curious, but why? You can easily ignore any paid apps that come to flathub and just continue using the free apps. This is great because more applications that are not free could make their way to flathub. More Linux support should be a good thing, no?
Free software movement dying.😢
I would only pay for something Proprietary, but not something I can go to their website or the Distro repos and download for free. Really I hope that is the goal to lure over more paid Proprietary software and give them a universal platform to run on Linux. Paid FOSS is just doomed to failure.
Flat hub sucks. The packages are growing bigger by the day, slower, I will never pay for Linux! Only corruption follows this model! I can’t stand Mint is forcing flat crap.
Lets stop using flatpack and flathub, switch to arch.
Flathub should make a store for downloading Linux video games. Steam charges developers a ridiculous 30% and you need to connect to Steam to play your game.
ever heard of other vendors?
GOG? Epic Games? they all are supported on Linux.
If we are talking about donations yes, but, paying and then being forced to hand over personal data...... Like with windows and their software supporters..... NO! After all, paying for something means it is no longer FOSS now is it?
FOSS can be payed as well. It is free as in freedom
If you donate you’re handing over all your information including addresses, phone number and bank information. Linux was created to stop this.
Every Distro should put a list of APP donate buttons on the sign in page every 6 months, with all the Apps on each person's Computer.
As long as we're talking about donations i am but paid apps is something i won't support because it goes against everything linux stands for.
"Free" as in freedom, not "free beer".
No it doesn't, you can sell FOSS Software....... It doesn't have to be just donations.
@@SeymourButts-yg3gy I go with the beer.
@@hopelessdecoy i will wait then to see what they come up with and how it will look like in the end. If they wanna go with paid apps too i can accept that under single condition: if i pay for app i want all features app has to offer and no differentiation between enterprise and non enterprise users.
Linux and free software was never about being "free of charge" you're just a cheapskate.
It would be great to have an easier way to donate, all these comments make me sad, lord forbid you support the devs 🙄
Flathub should do Ads on their sites
So you can block them and continue to not donate or purchase?
Don't give Canonical (Snaps) ideas!
I'm writing this since many idiots in the comment are the real reason why Linux isn't growing.
As a developer I am happy to help the community but working hard free of charge is the solid mistake that users tend to follow. We all have homes to maintain not just Linux for life. Paid products isn't evil but greed is. So stop promoting Linux as a free of charge system since this will never work for you or for the community.
Go write for microcrap or crapple, or play your pocket!
As an EU citizen I'm against yet another US-based organisation that is controlling a major part of Linux infrastructure. Especially in a country that is subject to the maligned Patriot Law. I do not trust the coming US administration with my data.
I regularly donate to projects that I think deserve my support, but I am vehemently against a paywall for FOSS Software. Linux and the many great software packages that surround it is one the last havens that the have-nots can use.
There is a famous saying in proprietary software users: "If you can't afford it, pirate it."
Now this will applied to Open Source world.
Now a serious thing: everything requires funds to proceed. If you pay developer good money you will get better software with good modern GUI. Linux will get rid of 1990s looks of it's software. For people who need free software there should be a free version of software with basic functions. Alternatively, a system to provide quality software to people struggling for their livelihood be made.
Person 1: i just pirated windows 15.
Person 2: i just pirated Linux 2027 Home Edition.