I've already been donating to KDE monthly, but I might make an additional donation and "adopt" Elisa. I love KDE software very much, and although Elisa isn't the best program for organizing music (I use Strawberry for that), it's great for playing music.
@@CyborgZeta I use standard breeze with a different accent color and that’s it. Elisa flatpak has been broken for about 2 months now. When I install it through package manager everything works as normal. I will have to get around to reporting it soon.
That was really interesting thank you for the experience I love to listen every week it keeps me in sync with my all consuming interest and that would be Linux
24:09 I think it's the first time I hear that quote, and I love it. It's attributed to Nora Roberts; "If you don't ask, the answer is always no." Great quote and a good reminder to step out of the comfort zone. 😊
I'm glad you like it, feel free to use mine anytime. I can say for certain that I didnt get it from Nora Roberts as this is the first time I've heard that name but I am not surprised someone else had a similar idea. I think mine is original creation in phrasing but the sentiment is likely from the "miss the shots, you dont take" phrase as I think I may have heard that first
@@michael_tunnellYeah, I wasn't saying that you copied her. I am sure someone said it before she wrote it down too. I wouldn't be surprised if Greek philosophers also said it. I am grateful that you shared the concept, because it was a really beautiful way of summarizing the concept. And I like it a lot more than Wayne Gretzky's "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take". 😊
18:30 They are not just looking for a Unicorn. They also state that they will prioritize "candidates from diverse and underrepresented groups". So they are already being picky about the candidate and even stating that merits will not be the main factor. Good luck with that. Maybe they will hire a second shaman? Then they can Magick this into reality. 😅 But yeah I hope for this future to push Linux forward. Lots of potential for Linux app development growth if our hard-working devs are finally compensated.
After I released this more info came out on it, it turns out its not that bad but they expressed it a bit poorly. For example, the Payments System code is already done and many other things are technically done, they just want someone with legal skills to help them take it across the finish line. So it seems bigger than it really is. The amount is still probably too small but it's not as drastic as it seems. There is way too much of this anti-diverse rhetoric in this community in my opinion. For example, at no point did they say they are prioritizing anything. They said "We strongly encourage candidates from diverse and underrepresented backgrounds" and they also said that even if people think they "might not meet all criteria" should still apply if they "believe they can contribute to Flathub’s success". This is basically a way of saying that all applications are welcomed and no one should feel like they shouldnt submit. At no point did they say anything about merits or anything like that. There are many people promoting anti-DEI because its cool to hate that now because it has been overdone and done poorly by corporations but wanting people to not feel discourage regardless of their background is not a bad thing.
@@michael_tunnell Ah, it's a major relief to hear that they're mostly looking for legal advice to finish this. That's a lot less worrying than what it sounded like. Regarding the diversity thing, I see your point. It's just that GNOME has explicitly released their "5 Year Plan" slides a few months ago, which states they will be PRIORITIZING diversity, so why wouldn't we worry that they will do the same thing now that they've already said they were going to do? They have a very bad track record of putting that above everything else. Which explains how they hired a Shaman who ended up overspending and ruining their foundation's budget so that they were bankrupt and had to fire 33% of staff. I am all for diversity but not to the religious levels seen in GNOME. It's not a binary on/off thing. It's a spectrum and is not as important as merit in this case, since they're already looking for a Unicorn! And I seriously hope this Flathub initiative succeeds so that we have a way for Linux developers to earn donations via the software centers. I have advocated for years that Linux has a funding problem and this is a great solution. Fingers crossed that GNOME actually hires someone with enough skills to get this done. I want them to succeed. That is why I care. ❤️ I don't want their strong ideology to get in the way of Flathub's establishment.
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I wish it continued looking like windows 10 too, I highly dislike the "modern" style or rounded corner, floating panels, padding half the screen, and everything pills.
I wish I could sponsor Konversation. To this day, it's my favorite IRC client and always will be. Beautifully simple in design, yet with all the features you'd want. It just doesn't get any love because everybody uses Discord these days.
I have been running Tumbleweed/Cosmic on the PC in the kitchen since Alpha 1. I have seen issues, but work is being done and progress is being made. It is nowhere near ready for use on your desktop PC, but this PC is only used to run a browser. Will it every replace Plasma for me? I doubt it, but I am waiting to see what features they add to the apps.
The new Cinnamon initially came out with a bug or two on Arch. However, it was fixed by my next semi-weekly update. Most bugs that appear in Arch updates take until my third subsequent semi-weekly update.
Only severe problem I had on Arch was a GNOME update breaking the desktop environment. Any other major issues I've faced are things that I _directly_ caused. I used GNOME Classic for about a week until the next update fixed it. (Affected Garuda too. Tried rolling it back, still had the problem.) I don't use GNOME anymore, but it was a good learning experience: Always keep a backup DE or compositor. Wayfire has every feature I had to hack together in GNOME, and it's all default functionality. _Really_ wish it installed without issue through the AUR. If it did, I'd be running Wayfire instead of Hyprland right now.
Thanks for all your videos. Super happy with my Debian laptop and KDE. Odd Linux light doesn't get more love but yeah, Mint this, Mint that. Rep is deserved I guess.
Linux Lite was my introduction to Linux. The reason it doesn't get much love anymore is because they've abandoned the old machines the distro was made to support in the first place. They no longer offer a 32-bit version of the OS. (Also, Debian? 😱 Never again.)
@trajectoryunown Lol....Debian comment. Yeah, they need a wee refresh. Like an old, reliable, boxy Volvo. Not super glamorous but that's kinda the point I guess.
*Cinnamon is great & the improvements are welcome* --- but it's starting to age - being locked into a W10 look. While it is easy to 'center' apps - it doesn't offer a centering function to match W11 menu launch. Given Mint's current rise to No 1 in the Distrowatch ratings - then it's a selling point for those looking to maintain a Windows experience while leaving MS behind. For my money - I'd like to see Cinnamon also offer the capacity to change the length of the panel. Also they need to do something about the sudden jump in panel icons that go from 47 being small to 48 being large. There is no transition. The other thing that would be useful is a gnome / Apple like - App launcher.
just move the menu and the separator in the centre like the apps............... gona lunch from the centre. also there is cinnamenu if you want a better look overall it resizes and has all the bells and whistles that you are looking for. You can find Cinnamenu in the applets.
Sorry for being such a noob, but what difference is there between xorg and Wayland? All i know is xorg tends to be more stable for Nvidia and amd users
Well, in simple terms, Wayland’s like the cool new kid: faster, more secure, and talks straight to your GPU, while Xorg’s the old reliable grandpa, not as sleek but works with almost everything. These days, Wayland has become pretty stable, with AMD users facing almost no issues and Nvidia catching up fast.
for the most part, I agree with what @NanescuRadu1 said. I would add though that Wayland is made by the same people because Xorg is the name of the group and X11 is the name of the last version of X. X11 is super old and has lots of issues but this is also a very hard thing to build so its taking a while. Wayland has a lot of improvements over X11 but also is missing some stuff still. As for hardware, support is pretty solid for all of them now since Nvidia finally decided to stop being jerks a couple years ago but it was a fight for a while lol
I have Mint running on a machine downstairs so I'm looking forward to the update! I might install CachyOS on my test machine and see if it already has it, right now that machine is testing CachyOS Plasma!
lol I couldnt remember it was Gretzky who said it but it also doesnt make sense in hockey either because in hockey if you miss the shot it isnt counted against percentages because Shooting percentage is based only on shots on goal.
as is to be honest I would care very little if I were to use KDE, Gnome , Cinnamon, what I need is that when I set a light/dark theme all apps to follow that theme. I just cannot stand with the numerous workarounds and my apps going from dark to light etc.
really hope more people try nixos. I can't imagine running any system without a declarative reproducible config now. you just need to get through the absolutely *miserable* documentation.
@@michael_tunnell heh you're not wrong. what I really wish was if something structured just like nixos existed, but with real docs and a language that was designed for actually building things and not just making functional programming fans stroke their chins and go "hm yes this 30 lines of boilerplate is so elegant"
To answer the literal question, yes Wayland support is better in this version. Although it’s still very experimental and is not recommended to be used. It’s not expected to be usable until Mint 23 in middle of 2026 unfortunately.
@@michael_tunnell Ahh I see, that's OK, it's better to not rush and release a Stable Desktop running Wayland with as little amount of bugs as possible, than release a Desktop that looks good but has bugs and can sometimes crash *Looks at KDE Plasma*
We don’t have a timeline unfortunately but I would guess we will have 3 more Alphas and then a few Betas and then probably full release middle of next year
The menu is fine, even though I don't like it (I'd rather prefer it only showing all applications as a list on the left and favourite apps and actions on the right, kinda like how it is on Windows 10)... But the icons are looking really dated, almost like they've been pulled straight from late 2000s.
@cloudwolf3972 what about it don’t you like? I think it could be better too but just curious @lmnk the icons are basically pulled from that era lol as they are based on the Faenza icon pack which hasn’t been updated in over 5 years at least, I would bet even longer…maybe 10 years now @iulianhagea5815 yes all of the main DEs are very customizable and theme-able but in my opinion, the default theme is the most importantly theme and should be a big focal point for the dev team
You know you're a neckbeard when you're this early for a linux video lol I really love the penguin so much 😂🐧and I use cinnamon so glad for the update but 1 if it use any more ram I'm gone and 2 agree with what ya said lol it should be them that makes it look nice and 3 5:14 idk why mint insists on things like this but they do it ALOT lol mints so nice and chill but I wish they would update abit more and get away from gnome stuff maybe even away from ubuntu
I can see the point of the desktop devs saying it's up to the distro devs to polish the final look. Because if you have, say, Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Manjaro etc using stock cinnamon, it may not look or "feel" right and so the cinnamon devs would be the ones taking the flack for that. Where the distro devs should be ultimately responsible for tweaking desktops to make them look and feel like their own distinct distro. Ultimately it's not a really big issue I guess but for what it's worth I can see the cinnamon dev's point of view.
Distribution Devs should have the ability to customize the desktop but they shouldn’t be expected to. Fedora has a policy where they always ship vanilla upstream, so not only do they not customize that’s a conscious decision. The developers of a desktop should want to offer a great out of the box experience, not doing so assuming everyone will customize it is a misstep by the desktop team. The Cinnamon team should get flack for making a bad design if they did. If a distribution wants to customize it then great but it’s not their responsibility to when it comes to the desktop. They should want to but they shouldn’t have to. Imagine if a car dealership had to customize a car with mods and stuff before the manufacturer decided to ship an ugly car, it wouldn’t be on the dealership to fix it. I understand where the Cinnamon devs are coming from but I don’t think they are right
12k to set up legal and payment related stuff in 3 months is crazy to me. Unless you REALLY love this kind of work and wanna do this on the side, I think that is a bad deal for anyone looking for work.
So, Cinnamon does still not offer a decent desktop search?? What a pity, because I would really like to make Cinnamon my desktop! But a decent, modern search feature is essential.
@@michael_tunnell I’m thinking of a launcher style index-based desktop search tool, that integrates file search and document parsing. Something akin to the built-in search in Gnome Shell or - yes ! - KRunner. While I wouldn’t mind accessing it through Nemo, the key is having a tool that helps bring order to the chaos on my machine.
I gotcha. What is bad about the search for files in Nemo? I am not disagreeing, I just havent noticed any issues with their file search for a while. Side note: while doesnt solve the main DE issue, this might help flathub.org/apps/io.github.cboxdoerfer.FSearch
That Flathub Job posting is delusional. As you were reading it I thought to myself, each one of those bullet points needs 1 person or 1 group at least. For $12,000??? That kind of person would need $1 million a month.
Don't be a sl@ve to the algorithm, make the video 55 minutes long if that's what the data needs. I guess it would also be a good opportunity to exercise more terseness (there's room for improvement, though currently it's totally fine)
The amount of time allotted is not based on the algorithm, it’s a factor of my effort and time. Preparing the show for each segment takes about 4-6 hours every episode, recording it takes about 2-3 hours, editing it takes about 2-3 hours. I’m already committing as much as 12 hours to make this show every week, doubling that is just not something I can do especially since I make this show free to watch 😎
@@michael_tunnell Yeah, that makes total sense. I actually wanted to mention that, but I got interrupted and forgot about it 😅 Interesting to know how many hours go into this. Thanks for your work!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy my content. As for how long, if I actually counted the time it would be more I suspect, this is just estimating. I didn't even include the time it takes to make the thumbnails, or the intro animations, or the metadata, creating the subtitles, creating the episode transcript (you can see this on the website link at the bottom), or the difference metadata differences between the podcast and the video, and all the other stuff. I would estimate that all of this is at least 20 hours a week, maybe a little more. I do most of this stuff on Fridays so as you can imagine, I literally do nothing but TWIL on Fridays so effectively it takes up the entire day and then some to find the topics throughout the week. ... yea it's a lot and I wish I could add more topics sometimes, there are also times I wish I could cut the show in half lol
Linux Mint devs are FAMOUS for stubbornly choosing and sticking with ancient s/w. After all, they're the ones who initiated MATE. They have forked so much ancient stuff from former GNOME and taken so much burden on themselves that I wonder if it wouldn't have been simpler to do everything from scratch like COSMIC...
Good grief Flathub, a governing body, so lemme guess... yet another freakin Code of Conduct board, again, sheesh. And thats ALOT of focus on payment processing for a distribution method for what are mainly FOSS apps ? Should we be worried that Flathub wants to be a corp and have integrated payment system ?
I hope their is some balance. Because I do not mind using purchasing or donating to application that I oftenly use. Plus, if this is the only way that will get corporations to port their software for Linux use *cough* Adobe *cough* I will be satisfied.
I don't understand why having some kind of structure is a bad thing. It's like people people claim the CoC board for Linux is somehow a problem of random outsiders when in fact it is 4 people with 3 of them being core kernel developers and the other being legal advice. It's possible to do it well. As for Flathub, they already talked about adding payment system to Flathub and I think they most certainly should do that. FOSS is not long term sustainable which is why so many projects die because they dont get funding and the developers have to move one. FOSS is great as a philosophy and it works well in a lot of ways but there is a limit where it can also be a problem. I am for the Flathub adding a payment system so developers can start making money from their software without having to setup their own separate thing and it also provides incentive for commercial apps to support Linux because there is a place that they know they can use to make money and to me that is a good thing.
@@michael_tunnellMost of the time when people get upset about a CoC, it’s because they don’t want to face consequences for their actions when they act like an asshole to someone.
I was a nixos user, I currently went back to debian waiting for either fork of nixos or for new leadership. Until that happens nixos is just a toxic place to contribute
That "refresh" of the Cinnamon Desktop is so freaking ugly IMO. They need to hire a designer or something. The only one that looks worse is Cosmic Desktop which is probably the ugliest desktop I've ever seen. No idea wtf they are thinking but OMG it is ugly.
@@bp56789 None. For Cosmic I could do a 1 hour video review on all the poor design choices they have made. It's just inconsistent everywhere you look. Hell, just look at the dock in Cosmic, the left icon is closer to the corner than the right icon. That alone bugs the living hell out of me, I can't stop looking at it. So annoying. The super rounded corners is also something I am getting pretty tired of tbh, it also messes up the padding and spacing on that dock so it's just a poor choice really. Then the border around the windows in Cosmic? I mean I get it you want an accent color, but man does that just look terrible. It's so thick, and bright and again rounded corners, even when windows are snapped the corners stay rounded (hopefully just an alpha thing). Their visual design all feels so cramped when they have a TON of space, it's like they are allergic to whitespace or something. Then when you do snap windows, there is huge gaps between them which looks absolutely horrid. I get it, it's alpha...but....
Gaps between tiled windows is actually preferred by the tiling community, that’s why i3-gaps was made. I think they have a difficult task ahead of them trying to blend traditional with tiling.
@@otockian Yeah, the default looks too cramped for my eye too. I think the dock is unsymmetrical because the leftmost icon is small and rightmost icon is large. Would be cool if they could auto-adjust the dock to account for that. It looks like Mac OS avoids that by keeping finder and trash as the side icons of the dock.
I've already been donating to KDE monthly, but I might make an additional donation and "adopt" Elisa. I love KDE software very much, and although Elisa isn't the best program for organizing music (I use Strawberry for that), it's great for playing music.
I have been trying to live with Elisa and replace Strawberry, but I just can't yet. I would love to see it improve and be the best choice.
I love Elisa but sometimes audio skips or crackles. Also doesn’t follow my accent color but that’s a flatpak issue.
@@Klaymore-QT I take it you use a custom theme? I just use Breeze Dark on all my installs, so I never have Flatpak theme-ing issues.
@@CyborgZeta I use standard breeze with a different accent color and that’s it. Elisa flatpak has been broken for about 2 months now. When I install it through package manager everything works as normal. I will have to get around to reporting it soon.
That was really interesting thank you for the experience I love to listen every week it keeps me in sync with my all consuming interest and that would be Linux
24:09 I think it's the first time I hear that quote, and I love it. It's attributed to Nora Roberts; "If you don't ask, the answer is always no." Great quote and a good reminder to step out of the comfort zone. 😊
I'm glad you like it, feel free to use mine anytime. I can say for certain that I didnt get it from Nora Roberts as this is the first time I've heard that name but I am not surprised someone else had a similar idea. I think mine is original creation in phrasing but the sentiment is likely from the "miss the shots, you dont take" phrase as I think I may have heard that first
@@michael_tunnellYeah, I wasn't saying that you copied her. I am sure someone said it before she wrote it down too. I wouldn't be surprised if Greek philosophers also said it. I am grateful that you shared the concept, because it was a really beautiful way of summarizing the concept. And I like it a lot more than Wayne Gretzky's "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take". 😊
I was just making a joke about her not being the source because I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I never read any of her romance novels lol
18:30 They are not just looking for a Unicorn. They also state that they will prioritize "candidates from diverse and underrepresented groups". So they are already being picky about the candidate and even stating that merits will not be the main factor. Good luck with that. Maybe they will hire a second shaman? Then they can Magick this into reality. 😅 But yeah I hope for this future to push Linux forward. Lots of potential for Linux app development growth if our hard-working devs are finally compensated.
I am also glad that this separates Flathub from GNOME and puts it in shared control with KDE. Better for the health.
After I released this more info came out on it, it turns out its not that bad but they expressed it a bit poorly. For example, the Payments System code is already done and many other things are technically done, they just want someone with legal skills to help them take it across the finish line. So it seems bigger than it really is. The amount is still probably too small but it's not as drastic as it seems.
There is way too much of this anti-diverse rhetoric in this community in my opinion. For example, at no point did they say they are prioritizing anything. They said "We strongly encourage candidates from diverse and underrepresented backgrounds" and they also said that even if people think they "might not meet all criteria" should still apply if they "believe they can contribute to Flathub’s success". This is basically a way of saying that all applications are welcomed and no one should feel like they shouldnt submit. At no point did they say anything about merits or anything like that. There are many people promoting anti-DEI because its cool to hate that now because it has been overdone and done poorly by corporations but wanting people to not feel discourage regardless of their background is not a bad thing.
@@michael_tunnell Ah, it's a major relief to hear that they're mostly looking for legal advice to finish this. That's a lot less worrying than what it sounded like.
Regarding the diversity thing, I see your point. It's just that GNOME has explicitly released their "5 Year Plan" slides a few months ago, which states they will be PRIORITIZING diversity, so why wouldn't we worry that they will do the same thing now that they've already said they were going to do? They have a very bad track record of putting that above everything else. Which explains how they hired a Shaman who ended up overspending and ruining their foundation's budget so that they were bankrupt and had to fire 33% of staff.
I am all for diversity but not to the religious levels seen in GNOME. It's not a binary on/off thing. It's a spectrum and is not as important as merit in this case, since they're already looking for a Unicorn! And I seriously hope this Flathub initiative succeeds so that we have a way for Linux developers to earn donations via the software centers. I have advocated for years that Linux has a funding problem and this is a great solution.
Fingers crossed that GNOME actually hires someone with enough skills to get this done. I want them to succeed. That is why I care. ❤️ I don't want their strong ideology to get in the way of Flathub's establishment.
We still wait for Wayland Cinnamon.
It's on EndeavourOS.
Yes, experimental. Not fully supported. Just like on Mint. Wayland support for Cinnamon is still in Alpha stage.
Will be in Mint 23
yea, we will be waiting for at least until middle of 2026 so kind of a bummer
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LOL when I heard "you probably shouldn't be lighting candles under your trees" "please don't call it that"
Gracias por las noticias y felicitaciones por eso 400 capítulos 🥳
It’s looking like the newbie-friendly Mint updates will be especially useful next October when Windows 10 gets phased into a subscription service.
I wish it continued looking like windows 10 too, I highly dislike the "modern" style or rounded corner, floating panels, padding half the screen, and everything pills.
I wish I could sponsor Konversation. To this day, it's my favorite IRC client and always will be. Beautifully simple in design, yet with all the features you'd want. It just doesn't get any love because everybody uses Discord these days.
I have been running Tumbleweed/Cosmic on the PC in the kitchen since Alpha 1. I have seen issues, but work is being done and progress is being made. It is nowhere near ready for use on your desktop PC, but this PC is only used to run a browser. Will it every replace Plasma for me? I doubt it, but I am waiting to see what features they add to the apps.
The new Cinnamon initially came out with a bug or two on Arch. However, it was fixed by my next semi-weekly update. Most bugs that appear in Arch updates take until my third subsequent semi-weekly update.
Only severe problem I had on Arch was a GNOME update breaking the desktop environment. Any other major issues I've faced are things that I _directly_ caused.
I used GNOME Classic for about a week until the next update fixed it. (Affected Garuda too. Tried rolling it back, still had the problem.) I don't use GNOME anymore, but it was a good learning experience: Always keep a backup DE or compositor.
Wayfire has every feature I had to hack together in GNOME, and it's all default functionality. _Really_ wish it installed without issue through the AUR. If it did, I'd be running Wayfire instead of Hyprland right now.
I always update on Sundays personally, Arch user here!
Thanks for all your videos. Super happy with my Debian laptop and KDE. Odd Linux light doesn't get more love but yeah, Mint this, Mint that. Rep is deserved I guess.
Linux Lite was my introduction to Linux. The reason it doesn't get much love anymore is because they've abandoned the old machines the distro was made to support in the first place. They no longer offer a 32-bit version of the OS. (Also, Debian? 😱 Never again.)
@trajectoryunown
Lol....Debian comment. Yeah, they need a wee refresh. Like an old, reliable, boxy Volvo. Not super glamorous but that's kinda the point I guess.
*Cinnamon is great & the improvements are welcome* --- but it's starting to age - being locked into a W10 look. While it is easy to 'center' apps - it doesn't offer a centering function to match W11 menu launch. Given Mint's current rise to No 1 in the Distrowatch ratings - then it's a selling point for those looking to maintain a Windows experience while leaving MS behind. For my money - I'd like to see Cinnamon also offer the capacity to change the length of the panel. Also they need to do something about the sudden jump in panel icons that go from 47 being small to 48 being large. There is no transition. The other thing that would be useful is a gnome / Apple like - App launcher.
just move the menu and the separator in the centre like the apps............... gona lunch from the centre. also there is cinnamenu if you want a better look overall it resizes and has all the bells and whistles that you are looking for. You can find Cinnamenu in the applets.
4:08 feels more Gnomish to me
Sorry for being such a noob, but what difference is there between xorg and Wayland? All i know is xorg tends to be more stable for Nvidia and amd users
Well, in simple terms, Wayland’s like the cool new kid: faster, more secure, and talks straight to your GPU, while Xorg’s the old reliable grandpa, not as sleek but works with almost everything.
These days, Wayland has become pretty stable, with AMD users facing almost no issues and Nvidia catching up fast.
@NanescuRadu1 thanks!
for the most part, I agree with what @NanescuRadu1 said. I would add though that Wayland is made by the same people because Xorg is the name of the group and X11 is the name of the last version of X. X11 is super old and has lots of issues but this is also a very hard thing to build so its taking a while. Wayland has a lot of improvements over X11 but also is missing some stuff still. As for hardware, support is pretty solid for all of them now since Nvidia finally decided to stop being jerks a couple years ago but it was a fight for a while lol
I have Mint running on a machine downstairs so I'm looking forward to the update! I might install CachyOS on my test machine and see if it already has it, right now that machine is testing CachyOS Plasma!
I certainly feel the light theme piercing into my soul in seconds brrrrrr
the light theme of what?
@@michael_tunnell Ide, Browser, Apps etc. I get headache after a few minutes. Night light helps, but just a little.
Oh I see, I agree that I too also much prefer dark themes everywhere
Dude really quoted Wayne Gretzky and followed it up with “that doesn’t make sense in basketball…” 😂
lol I couldnt remember it was Gretzky who said it but it also doesnt make sense in hockey either because in hockey if you miss the shot it isnt counted against percentages because Shooting percentage is based only on shots on goal.
as is to be honest I would care very little if I were to use KDE, Gnome , Cinnamon,
what I need is that when I set a light/dark theme all apps to follow that theme.
I just cannot stand with the numerous workarounds and my apps going from dark to light etc.
really hope more people try nixos. I can't imagine running any system without a declarative reproducible config now. you just need to get through the absolutely *miserable* documentation.
lol absolutely miserable documentation is basically a guarantee that more people won’t try it. Some sure but not most.
@@michael_tunnell heh you're not wrong. what I really wish was if something structured just like nixos existed, but with real docs and a language that was designed for actually building things and not just making functional programming fans stroke their chins and go "hm yes this 30 lines of boilerplate is so elegant"
Can we add network drives in gui in 2024? Please???
is this not a thing in Cinnamon? I know KDE can do that but never tried for Cinnamon
a better saying ...the sqeeky wheel gets the grease.
that's a good saying too and if the grease is money . . . sqeek sqeek
Is Wayland better with this Cinnamon Version? I'm a HUGE Cinnamon and XFCE Guy, prefer it over GNOME and KDE, so I would love to know.
Not yet! Wayland will be officially supported in Mint 23
@@igorthelightI am using LMDE, hopefully they bring it to LMDE when it out
To answer the literal question, yes Wayland support is better in this version. Although it’s still very experimental and is not recommended to be used. It’s not expected to be usable until Mint 23 in middle of 2026 unfortunately.
@@michael_tunnell Ahh I see, that's OK, it's better to not rush and release a Stable Desktop running Wayland with as little amount of bugs as possible, than release a Desktop that looks good but has bugs and can sometimes crash *Looks at KDE Plasma*
When are they going to get past the Alpha releases and make it Beta?
We don’t have a timeline unfortunately but I would guess we will have 3 more Alphas and then a few Betas and then probably full release middle of next year
The issue with Cinnamon's design is the start menu's look.
The menu is fine, even though I don't like it (I'd rather prefer it only showing all applications as a list on the left and favourite apps and actions on the right, kinda like how it is on Windows 10)... But the icons are looking really dated, almost like they've been pulled straight from late 2000s.
Chage it with cinnamenu and also you can change all the icons in it..... if you bother a little cinnamon is very versatile and customizable...
@cloudwolf3972 what about it don’t you like? I think it could be better too but just curious
@lmnk the icons are basically pulled from that era lol as they are based on the Faenza icon pack which hasn’t been updated in over 5 years at least, I would bet even longer…maybe 10 years now
@iulianhagea5815 yes all of the main DEs are very customizable and theme-able but in my opinion, the default theme is the most importantly theme and should be a big focal point for the dev team
4:13 Those dialogue windows makes it look like GNOME Ubuntu.
cant find where did you talk about cinnamon
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@@Lavashyk no i mean on 3:23 is mentioned some other episode where it was discussed before and i cant find that one
I talked about it in this episode th-cam.com/video/_ZlIPhB-Fws/w-d-xo.html and you can use the Chapters to jump ahead in that episode
You know you're a neckbeard when you're this early for a linux video lol I really love the penguin so much 😂🐧and I use cinnamon so glad for the update but 1 if it use any more ram I'm gone and 2 agree with what ya said lol it should be them that makes it look nice and 3 5:14 idk why mint insists on things like this but they do it ALOT lol mints so nice and chill but I wish they would update abit more and get away from gnome stuff maybe even away from ubuntu
Mint Is a small team, there are manpower limitations to do more stuff
12:30am GMT 😞 I'll be sleeping... and it is G-nome.
Yea, unfortunately the schedule is not going to be ideal for those in UK or Europe. Sorry about that.
Its Caribbean.
That clarifies things…
@@michael_tunnell you're welcome fam
Make another video with the remainder cause I'm sure 99.9% of us would watch
I can see the point of the desktop devs saying it's up to the distro devs to polish the final look.
Because if you have, say, Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Manjaro etc using stock cinnamon, it may not look or "feel" right and so the cinnamon devs would be the ones taking the flack for that.
Where the distro devs should be ultimately responsible for tweaking desktops to make them look and feel like their own distinct distro.
Ultimately it's not a really big issue I guess but for what it's worth I can see the cinnamon dev's point of view.
Distribution Devs should have the ability to customize the desktop but they shouldn’t be expected to. Fedora has a policy where they always ship vanilla upstream, so not only do they not customize that’s a conscious decision. The developers of a desktop should want to offer a great out of the box experience, not doing so assuming everyone will customize it is a misstep by the desktop team. The Cinnamon team should get flack for making a bad design if they did. If a distribution wants to customize it then great but it’s not their responsibility to when it comes to the desktop. They should want to but they shouldn’t have to.
Imagine if a car dealership had to customize a car with mods and stuff before the manufacturer decided to ship an ugly car, it wouldn’t be on the dealership to fix it.
I understand where the Cinnamon devs are coming from but I don’t think they are right
KRuler DeVille 😛
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Noooo! I really hate all the rounded corners and floating panels! Please someone tell me there's a way to undo all that trash...
12k to set up legal and payment related stuff in 3 months is crazy to me. Unless you REALLY love this kind of work and wanna do this on the side, I think that is a bad deal for anyone looking for work.
So, Cinnamon does still not offer a decent desktop search??
What a pity, because I would really like to make Cinnamon my desktop! But a decent, modern search feature is essential.
When you say desktop search, are you referring to launcher style search like KDE’s KRunner search or the file manager search itself?
@@michael_tunnell I’m thinking of a launcher style index-based desktop search tool, that integrates file search and document parsing. Something akin to the built-in search in Gnome Shell or - yes ! - KRunner. While I wouldn’t mind accessing it through Nemo, the key is having a tool that helps bring order to the chaos on my machine.
I gotcha. What is bad about the search for files in Nemo? I am not disagreeing, I just havent noticed any issues with their file search for a while. Side note: while doesnt solve the main DE issue, this might help flathub.org/apps/io.github.cboxdoerfer.FSearch
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Huh just realized you stopped numbering twil
Only in the title, it’s 289 this episode and displayed in the description
@@michael_tunnell ah cool~
yeah buddy Linux news
Sad to see Cinnamon becoming more like GNOME proper. If I want to use something like GNOME, I'll just use the original GNOME.
Because of rounded corners? Also probably depends on what theme you use.
That Flathub Job posting is delusional. As you were reading it I thought to myself, each one of those bullet points needs 1 person or 1 group at least. For $12,000??? That kind of person would need $1 million a month.
it turns out its not that bad but they expressed it a bit poorly. For example, the Payments System code is already done so it seems bigger than it is
If I adopt an app can I adopt one old enough I don't have to change diapers? 🤔 Because I really care, but I just can't do that!🤢😬
Don't be a sl@ve to the algorithm, make the video 55 minutes long if that's what the data needs. I guess it would also be a good opportunity to exercise more terseness (there's room for improvement, though currently it's totally fine)
The amount of time allotted is not based on the algorithm, it’s a factor of my effort and time. Preparing the show for each segment takes about 4-6 hours every episode, recording it takes about 2-3 hours, editing it takes about 2-3 hours. I’m already committing as much as 12 hours to make this show every week, doubling that is just not something I can do especially since I make this show free to watch 😎
@@michael_tunnell Yeah, that makes total sense. I actually wanted to mention that, but I got interrupted and forgot about it 😅 Interesting to know how many hours go into this. Thanks for your work!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy my content. As for how long, if I actually counted the time it would be more I suspect, this is just estimating. I didn't even include the time it takes to make the thumbnails, or the intro animations, or the metadata, creating the subtitles, creating the episode transcript (you can see this on the website link at the bottom), or the difference metadata differences between the podcast and the video, and all the other stuff. I would estimate that all of this is at least 20 hours a week, maybe a little more. I do most of this stuff on Fridays so as you can imagine, I literally do nothing but TWIL on Fridays so effectively it takes up the entire day and then some to find the topics throughout the week. ... yea it's a lot and I wish I could add more topics sometimes, there are also times I wish I could cut the show in half lol
Linux Mint devs are FAMOUS for stubbornly choosing and sticking with ancient s/w. After all, they're the ones who initiated MATE. They have forked so much ancient stuff from former GNOME and taken so much burden on themselves that I wonder if it wouldn't have been simpler to do everything from scratch like COSMIC...
That old look is what I liked about it. I hate rounded corners and floating panels. I just want nice screenhugging rectangles. No wasted space.
Good grief Flathub, a governing body, so lemme guess... yet another freakin Code of Conduct board, again, sheesh. And thats ALOT of focus on payment processing for a distribution method for what are mainly FOSS apps ? Should we be worried that Flathub wants to be a corp and have integrated payment system ?
I hope their is some balance. Because I do not mind using purchasing or donating to application that I oftenly use. Plus, if this is the only way that will get corporations to port their software for Linux use *cough* Adobe *cough* I will be satisfied.
I don't understand why having some kind of structure is a bad thing. It's like people people claim the CoC board for Linux is somehow a problem of random outsiders when in fact it is 4 people with 3 of them being core kernel developers and the other being legal advice. It's possible to do it well. As for Flathub, they already talked about adding payment system to Flathub and I think they most certainly should do that. FOSS is not long term sustainable which is why so many projects die because they dont get funding and the developers have to move one. FOSS is great as a philosophy and it works well in a lot of ways but there is a limit where it can also be a problem. I am for the Flathub adding a payment system so developers can start making money from their software without having to setup their own separate thing and it also provides incentive for commercial apps to support Linux because there is a place that they know they can use to make money and to me that is a good thing.
We still need to get a way to devs actually not being broke, and requieres money.
@@michael_tunnellMost of the time when people get upset about a CoC, it’s because they don’t want to face consequences for their actions when they act like an asshole to someone.
NixOS is completely uninteresting to me after their recent "purge" of contributors and overthrowing the founder.
I was a nixos user, I currently went back to debian waiting for either fork of nixos or for new leadership. Until that happens nixos is just a toxic place to contribute
Cinnamon desktop has the best sound quality on Linux and KDE has worst, that phonon *hit ruining sound
KDE uses Pipewire too so I’m not sure why there would be a difference these days. Back in the day sure but now it should all be the same
That "refresh" of the Cinnamon Desktop is so freaking ugly IMO. They need to hire a designer or something. The only one that looks worse is Cosmic Desktop which is probably the ugliest desktop I've ever seen. No idea wtf they are thinking but OMG it is ugly.
Hard agree regarding Cinnamon. Hard disagree regarding Cosmic. Which DE do you think looks good?
@@bp56789 None. For Cosmic I could do a 1 hour video review on all the poor design choices they have made. It's just inconsistent everywhere you look. Hell, just look at the dock in Cosmic, the left icon is closer to the corner than the right icon. That alone bugs the living hell out of me, I can't stop looking at it. So annoying. The super rounded corners is also something I am getting pretty tired of tbh, it also messes up the padding and spacing on that dock so it's just a poor choice really. Then the border around the windows in Cosmic? I mean I get it you want an accent color, but man does that just look terrible. It's so thick, and bright and again rounded corners, even when windows are snapped the corners stay rounded (hopefully just an alpha thing). Their visual design all feels so cramped when they have a TON of space, it's like they are allergic to whitespace or something. Then when you do snap windows, there is huge gaps between them which looks absolutely horrid. I get it, it's alpha...but....
Gaps between tiled windows is actually preferred by the tiling community, that’s why i3-gaps was made. I think they have a difficult task ahead of them trying to blend traditional with tiling.
@@otockian Yeah, the default looks too cramped for my eye too. I think the dock is unsymmetrical because the leftmost icon is small and rightmost icon is large. Would be cool if they could auto-adjust the dock to account for that. It looks like Mac OS avoids that by keeping finder and trash as the side icons of the dock.
cinnamon > cosmic /s
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