@@tailkinker1972 Linux is trying to turn into a villain now too. They are collaborating with MS at this point. And are basically working towards backwards compatibility with each other.
"Progression"? No, this is REGRESSION. Fifty-some years ago, we called this a "terminal" hooked to a "mainframe." Forty-some years ago, I couldn't WAIT to get my own independent personal computer...
I have a Windows 98 box that will run that era's Cubase VST (with dongle in parallel port!) if I want it. In the future it will simply be impossible to run a PC in a historic state, i.e. appropriately configured to some moment in time.
@@mtnmover7794 Wasn't gates talking in terms of memory though, rather than actual storage? I also thought that was a myth 🤔 Either way - windows is indeed turning to a giant burning trash heap! Windows 7 was the peak version of windows by far before everything started going downhill....
Pretty much. So "social credit score" is not what I'm personally concerned with. Even though they will obviously use it for control. But I could stomach it... The most scary part though, is not preventing from booting in. The most scary part is that they will be able to do whatever they want with anyones computers and their files. i. e. taking images/ videos from someones computer and changing them/ or removing them. As they see fit. With example of the current election and 90% of my comments being rmd by yt... Same would happen to everyone's files in the future (if it won't be stopped). 100% control of the populas in order to shove in their narratives. With removing every single piece of evidence that one might have on any private computer that they would have access with with Win 12 or Win Cloud.
There's n9thing wrong with terminals, it's about time the general windows user UNDERSTANDS how to use a terminal. If you switch to linux, such as Ubuntu or Mint, you're going to know how to use the terminal, you're going to need to know how to fix certain things.
@@Malte-Micha You still aren't wrong in a way, though... Console terminals are called as such precisely because there shouldn't ... (in theory) be a difference between talking to a host that is physically local and a host that is physically remote. A communication terminal is a communication terminal. Obviously there ARE differences, and users can often detect the side effects, but you still type and recieve through a standard interface. No doubt the windows cloud is a similar concept, except in this case the local comptuer is going to be JUST a terminal - except a more graphical WIMP based one as opposed to the text terminal you've apparently familiarized yourself with (and good on you for that - they are quite handy).
Im glad I switched to Linux, the whole OS in the cloud thing is very stupid, it would introduce additional latency, when the server goes down, then you cannot use it, the potential of hackers exploiting it, and much more bad things. Linux all the way, and it is always getting better.
@@SpaceCadet4Jesus So you will be happy with everything in the house you dwell (state-owned of course) is shared with other 25 newcomers, most of them hostile to you because of your faith? Soon not even your mind will be yours.
I have some Steam titles too but I still remind myself and others that Steam is DRM. I'm personally replacing as many Steam titles as I can with GoG versions when I can buy them cheap enough in a sale. I don't play any post-2010 AAA "games as a service, gamers as whales" titles anyway so I hope to be fully rid of Steam one day.
@@terrydaktyllus1320steam isn't drm, it's a platform. Devs can and do have their games up with no drm on steam. Now, you can complain about licenses and not owning anything, but in itself it is not drm.
I’ve used Apple (before Macs), Max, trash, 80s, Sinclair, Atari 800, MS,DOS, windows, and now Linux. I finally jumped ship completely when I bought my steam deck. I use it as a full-fledged desktop computer when it’s hooked up to a monitor, keyboard, mouse. This finally convinced me that I can use Linux has my own operating system. I wish I could’ve figured this out 20 years ago.
Our Internet infrastructure in the US cannot support this format of computing in any meaningful way. There are still people in 2024 accessing the Internet on dial-up modems in remote areas. I was a beta tester for the now defunct Stadia and it was bad, it dropped connection constantly all the time I had over 100MB connection. Now I have a 400MB connection and games still drop (Amazon games for instance) and we have chronic Internet outages. This is primarily for corporations and large companies who have Fiber and other high speed connections. Home and small business users for the most part don't have to be scared that they are going to be forced to use an Online version of Windows in the near future. That being said, I recently spent a few days on Windows 11 while switching out my Manjaro computer to Ubuntu Cinnamon and despite being heavily tweaked Windows 11 was slow as molasses compared to Linux.
Dial Up, lucky them. In Germany big portions of the country don't have copper wire connections of any kind to the internet - and fiber is basically non existent. Also when traveling, even by train (car is worse), the mobile network is characterized more by its holes then its speed. Whatever it is, when it's cloud based I can safely say that it's exclusively a problem in faraway countries.
@@finnderp9977 I don't know what you define as light weight, but I assume that "my apartment block of 16 apartments each with multiple Tennants has a singular 50M line shared between all apartments." levels of light. Oh and of course the house is so old that it doesn't have lan ports anywhere so it's all wifi which doesn't reach my room well and frequently disconnects because of the metal in the walls between me and the router. And that's from someone in the middle of one of the bigger cities here, I'm having an above average connection etc.
@@younasdar5572 Stable 1-2Mbit is enough for Excel, ERP and other corp basic stuff, graphics heavy probably would need ~10Mbit. Back in days RDP ran fine on ADSL where erp couldn't even load database.
Sounds a lot like remote terminals in the days of the IBM360 computers. They spoke over RS232 and the new stuff if network but it seems the idea is sort of the same. You are making a central computer that is the only computer you really can use and remote terminals on it. To me this seems to be yet another reason to use Linux since something like a Raspberry is lower cost and performs better.
five + years linux only here... that said recently a mini pc i got had w11 I left it on it a few days tried hard to like it.... said mini is now running linux like all my devices. will miss my fav spyw... browser opera gx lol but ill survive :3 good vid as always
@@CommodoreFan64 It requires a Microsoft Business 365 monthly subscription $$, plus the initial cost of the device $349, plus cost of monitor, plus keyboard/mouse, plus $66 per month per user for basic functionality or up to $349 per month per user for advanced setup, plus internet fees, cabling, etc.. Can you afford it now? What I'm getting at is, there was a whole bunch of monthly charges $$ that this video didn't let you know was coming.
Microshaft-- not content to enshitify our local PCs, wants us Cloud-bound, too? I heard they're looking at making Windows a "subscription" service in the months ahead? Verb THAT right in the noun...
Windows 98 was peak Windows. All it did was run your programs. I don't need Microsoft weaseling themselves into every part of the user experience so everything is reliant on them.
I'll argue, and say Win XP was peak for how long it stuck around, and for getting the mainstream off the somewhat unstable 9X kernel, but 98/98SE despite it's issues was not far behind.
@@CommodoreFan64 I'd agree with you on Windows XP being "peak windows". I think the "Windows Classic" implementation is XP was excellent and was easy to put in place instead of the awful default XP interface - though I do have a "soft spot" for Windows 98SE. XP was around for so long that in the last half of its life, processors and RAM speeds had improved so much that it ran well and fast - a simple but clean desktop that did what a good destop should do, just stay out the way and let the user run their programs as they want to.
@@BReal23-qm8hs I would be happy if Microsoft just kept the Windows 7 interface and just replaced the kernel and other services to keep up with security / compatibility. I don't need another settings app, a bunch of self installing useless apps, or AI features. Just let me run my apps!
I am happy for Windows to be in a dark grey storm cloud threatening bad weather to anyone nearby and me to be well way from it basking in the sunshine of Linux.
All this is largely theoretical to me. I'm moving in the direction of Windows 10 Offline on one machine and Linux on my other two (including my Daily Driver). If Microsoft don't like that, hard cheese!
In a office situation you have PC's conected into a server PC. So all the people in the office can log into server and access all documents and internet via one pc. You could run it on a home TV.
It is interesting how things have come full circle. Unix did this in the beginning. We had dummy Wyse Unix terminals. XWindows was made to facilitate this design. SUN said it best. The network is the computer.
This is subscription windows. Windows in the cloud has been a thing for a long time, it just hasn't been offered by windows. But you've been able to rent a remote desktop for decades now. $77/M for 2 cores, 8gb ram and 128Gb drive space on Windows 365 is too expensive even for business. The hardware isn't the only cost, it's a monthly subscription. Linux isn't an alternative solution. Linux is unusable by most people because Linux isn't for profit, so it doesn't just work.
Windows in the cloud. I can think of a more appropriate,much hotter place for Windows these days. To quote The Rolling Stones"Hey,you get off of my cloud".If Uncle Bill gets mad at you,goodbye computer.
Anything in the cloud is not yours and can be taken away in an instant. That includes all your photos or files , papers or books or theses you have written . If you don’t have it in local storage or on paper you don’t have it. This has already happened to me when half a book I had written suddenly vanished and Apple couldn’t find it anywhere in the cloud.
This, combined with the news of AMD making processors that you can't buy at any price because they are for use ONLY in Azure, tells me that we are headed to a future where end users cannot buy powerful machines for themselves. They must instead rely on rinky-dink client machines that connect them to cloud instances which are where all the compute happens.
I lost count of how many "azure" servers I had to block on my host file - they should really get over being stuffed in lockers in jr high and hit the gym rather than destroying the country.
An idea suggestion: what about a comprehensive video which will go through all the settings, modules, apps, tweaks, registry properties, files, updates, and so on in the latest edition of Windows, that are dangerous (privacy issues, the company spying etc.) and should be switched off or disabled. You can mention the corresponding part in Linux, that does this well. Ofc, only if you have information about these about Windows or do it as a collab with someone who knows...
I'm already considering Linux Distros. I'm just curious how to add sources on Commodore OS vision. I like the retro interface and sound effects. If I can't figure out how to do that, I might look into making LinuxMint look and sound like it instead.
I really need to start using my Linux box more than I do. Linux is actually on the most powerful h/w I have at home. I rescued a couple of barely used i7-3770 systems from going to the recycle centre. I just had to format the HDDs/SSDs before I could take them home, so installed Ubuntu.
Nothing new under the sun here. What would be new is if we are forced to use thin client's and Windows running on a PC is phased out. I can see linux exploding if that happened.😢
I really wish my school, transitions completely to Linux, while that is not the case, I have been able to convince my director to allow some PCs in the school laboratory to be entirely Linux. It's a step in a good direction! :D
what do i do with thinnet clients.. hack em out to run linux or emulator gaming boxes :) batocera runs N64 and under quite nicely if its a model that you can hack the bios to take a native bootloader
The reason I just can't completely switch to linux is small things like Customizable EC (Embedded Controller) Fan Controller with a GUI, copy paste texts in the background easily in Wayland, battery charge limiter to 80%.
Battery charge depends on firmware, for MSI laptop like mine, someone had made a custom "MSI Center" which succesfully allows for control of fan speed and battery percent, I still dualboot Win11 for study/programming, and Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon also for study/programming
windows making sure gamers will switch to Linux. if the cloud based system became mandatory on home editions, i think only old people would continue to use windows, who mainly use it for web browsing...
the thing is... when everyone uses cloud "P"Cs Game developers will make sure to utilize the processing power coming with it... Meaning that new games will be so demanding that you simply cant Play them on your own hardware anymore forcing you to use the "cloud"
@@xplayerfireone The thing is, someone will have to pay for that processing power. This will eventually take away the fun of playing it, and certainly will discourage the parents willing to pay for their children to become hooked to such a game. Besides that, the cost itself can pose problems for a lot of the current players. Submitting to a subscription model based on actual usage is really different from buying a game.
Even if it was $50 I don't think I would get this, cause I like to own and control my computer. Also it is good in case you don't have internet access. But it will be interesting if someone figures out how to hack this so you could use it for basic computing needs. I wonder what the monthly subscription fees will be for this Microsoft client 365; if it is high then you could buy a decent computer and just pay monthly payments instead.
This cloud PC isn't for personal use, as he said and a price tag to match. Regardless, the $349 basic equipment fee, you still need to maintain a Microsoft 365 subscription charge. Add to all that a basic monthly fee of $66 monthly PER USER. If you buy the advanced version, it can balloon up to $349 monthly PER USER.
Never would have switched to Linux but this and coplot have convinced me. I'll probably stick with windows 10 one more year until support ends and then I'm definitely switching to some form of Linux (or maybe bsd)
Take the opportunity to learn open source software now. Most of it will run in Windows. It will make switching to Linux that much easier when you're ready. Your welcome.
I wouldn't wait until the support is gone. My computer supports 2 hard drives so I'm installing one with Linux Mint while I can still access the internet with Windows. That way, if I have any issues with drivers and such I can take care of it. Or, who knows, maybe I won't like Mint and end up on another distro. Either way, I am not waiting.
counting the minutes till AI writes itself a new linux kernel that can adapt and squeeze max out of available hw, your personal assistant that learns and upgrades on its own replacing the need for an operating system beneath, it already kills "googling" browsers will be the thing of a past in a year or two together with the ad fueled internet we know today
It sounds like there was a board meeting one day where someone learned what a mainframe was and realized the potential of running everything off of a remote connection service could mean for profit and information control. Probably a lot of people freaking out on how they can convince the public to switch from owning their digital things to renting them while the quantum computer people are slowing making a new "Quantum Mainframe" that we can remote into for more advanced computations that we will inevitably need when we reach that point in history. We're marching into the slaughter house on our own volition. We allow these companies to continue operating despite encroaching onto our rights every other day. We won't stop until it's too late to turn back, and they have complete control. Welcome to the new age of 1984 x Cyberpunk 2077 (unless we never innovate past cheap AI voice assistants).
I am more then ready for cloud windows, I already switched to linux on my working pc, my gaming win 8 will also be running linux after upgrade, I asked for an m4 apple pro for my working laptop, so I am readu for azure windows.
Yeah, will certainly not be going in that direction! Hoping to get my folks on to Zorin_OS in January - I can't think of an easier transition for someone in their 80s. Thanks for the video.
Just like 90s terminal station at university. Circle is closing, again. What year is it? It it centralize or decentralize year this time :-) so consultants know what to push this time.
Kinda unrelated but.. whats keeping linux back is primarly contet creation and gaming, right? And while it seems that the content creation is being slowly iron out, Why is there no project to make a linux kernel antivirus so game publisher have the choice to support linux too?
No that isn't holding Linux back, marketing, a lot of options (Linux is essentially 800+ mini companies with branded OS) and hardware partnerships are what's actually holding it back. Gamers and Creators are a sub portion of users
Content creation isn’t an issue on Linux. The programs exist but not all people are willing to learn a FOSS alternative. There might a feature that does not exist in the alternative though. “Kernel level antivirus” is definitely wrong wording. No program should ever need kernel level access, only user level access. Kernel level access that’s used by anti-cheat in games is invasive system monitoring (like spyware). They should use server-side anti-cheat methods instead. Games can simply be ported to Linux with just a tick of a checkbox in some game engines like Unity. Devs just didn’t do it. Antivirus for Linux isn’t needed. Use preventative measures, like only installing trusted programs (research the program, check app reviews), using a firewall, restricting what programs can do using flatpak/snap permissions, etc. Main thing holding Linux back is that for the most part is not installed on new computers. Some windows programs can run on Linux using WINE, Bottles, Proton (Steam games). If that fails, there’s the option of using a Windows Virtual Machine or having a computer/extra drive specially for Windows-only tasks. Duel booting Windows with Linux isn’t a good idea because Windows interferes with them in destructive ways like removing the boot partition(s) of distros
@@danwl9708 Duel booting, hehe Sadly as we learned not so long ago, windows on a separate drive is not preventing windows touching other drives. So either separate computers or disconnecting other drives before connecting windows drive to be sure. Some sort of physical SATA switch might be worth looking into.
That's not so terrible situation until you have a choice. If you want small dumb USB stick that plugging in, say, TV, connecting to the cloud and let you use your cloud PC - that's sounds kinda nice. But if you want a powerful PC to have full control of your work and data, and they just forbid you to do that, that's sucks.
_”Were sorry, but your social score is lower than required. Please report for retraining, then try accessing your computer again next month.”_ _I think, therefore they’re coming for me first._
cause i need windows for school i hope i wont be force into making my laptop to a cloud only pc, cause that no gonna haoppen, if this happen i might install linux on my laptop and install a windows vm or windows app just school stuff, cause i wont have a cloud only laptop that a big no go for me
I'm on the verge of no longer using Windows except for development of software to sell to Windows users. I certainly won't be using a Windows virtual machine hosted on a remote server (aka. "the cloud").
as I understand it these will have GPUss as all New Computer will the GPU ios built in part of the processor even Nvida is say day of over sized high power GPU is over ..
Will people please stop saying the cloud ,There is no such thing you are dumping your stuff on other peoples servers in this case Microsofts and i bet they love it people voluntarily giving them info so they can make money out of it . wont be long before they launch it on the unsuspecting public
The cloud is just someone else's computer, only usable with a high-speed internet connection. I'll stick with my 11700K, 32GB RAM, 12TB storage, desktop running Mint. The Starlink ethernet connection is just for Filezilla, Deluge, Thunderbird and Firefox.
Seems like a somewhat sleeker "Thin Client" type device. Really not my thing anymore. At work (35,000 users) five years ago, we decided not to do this.
MS has been pushing Office users to subscription model. It's no accident that MS wants users to switch away from Windows 10. Someday, I won't be surprised if even their OS will be subscription as well. I used to like MS and made fun of Apple / Linux users. Now, I'm changing my tune thanks to what MS has become.
It's not "Windows in the cloud", It's just a thin client for Microsoft 365 (Office) and Business Central (NAV) For home use it's about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
Microsoft is really wanting users to switch to a different OS, Linux and Mac, and Linux would be the better choice. After support Microsoft OSes and products for nearly 30 years now, this is the wort I have ever seen. Glad I know Linux and use it for myself.
This will eventually make its way to end consumers, and become the standard. If it doesn't i'll be surprised. But I do think it will trickle down. I will stick with Arch. It's home for me now. I'd only be on Windows still if 7 was still supported. At least at minimum for drivers, and security.
This is what ATT talked about in the late 60's. You would have a terminal and the processing and the storage would be in the central office. Didn't happen.
So… We’re basically heading back to central processing and ‘dumb terminals.’. Everything old is new again…
It'll be like the 1970's -- only horrible, and with no freedoms.
@@Piano_Castle It's okay, it's called "The Cloud" now so it's new and exciting!
@ian_b ah yes, The Quantum Cloud.....
Can you add any more buzz words to this
@@NunamedDragon I can! The Quantum AI Cloud!😆
@@ian_b how did I forget AI
Windows in the Cloud? No, I am not ready for it. BUT I am ready for Windows in the Garbage Bin
You missed the opportunity to call it Recycle Bin. (Though, I understand that there is nothing you can recycle of this steaming pile of crap)
The cloud is just someone else's computer
Windows stranger pc version 😂
Completely true, and they can control that computer.
Exactly. Don't know why they called it the cloud.
actually in this case is more like bill gate pc lol
@@DV-ml4fm Marketing ploy for dummies.
The future of Windows is like a horror movie
The history of Windows is like a horror movie.
A virus horror movie.
Linux on the other hand...
With a happy ending, when you switch to Linux.
@@tailkinker1972 Linux is trying to turn into a villain now too. They are collaborating with MS at this point. And are basically working towards backwards compatibility with each other.
"Progression"? No, this is REGRESSION. Fifty-some years ago, we called this a "terminal" hooked to a "mainframe." Forty-some years ago, I couldn't WAIT to get my own independent personal computer...
Thats why those older computers are becoming even more valuable i liked when i could do things without connecting to the internet
I have a Windows 98 box that will run that era's Cubase VST (with dongle in parallel port!) if I want it. In the future it will simply be impossible to run a PC in a historic state, i.e. appropriately configured to some moment in time.
Those older computers which still have parallel ports are very useful when building Linux based computer numeric control (CNC) machine tools.
@gaiustacitus4242 exactly but remember the Playstation was used to build a super computer for the airforce
@@ian_b that's by design and everything didn't require a subscription in the 90s it was only updates
@@ian_b you can still run atari but that's why the older tvs are being seeked out remember files can be zipped up
I keep going back and forth about switching to Linux. This will do it.
They can Deactivate the entire system and the entire thing can lag. wow thats dumb.
Remember Gates said once 256 kb would be more than enough space for a lifetime but everything is pretty much connected to the internet
@@mtnmover7794 Wasn't gates talking in terms of memory though, rather than actual storage? I also thought that was a myth 🤔
Either way - windows is indeed turning to a giant burning trash heap!
Windows 7 was the peak version of windows by far before everything started going downhill....
me when the internet goes out and an entire city completely loses computer functionality entirely (the city crumbles apart]
In the future your bad social credit score will prevent you from booting a Microsoft OS...
Is that a threat or a promise?
Pretty much. So "social credit score" is not what I'm personally concerned with. Even though they will obviously use it for control. But I could stomach it... The most scary part though, is not preventing from booting in. The most scary part is that they will be able to do whatever they want with anyones computers and their files. i. e. taking images/ videos from someones computer and changing them/ or removing them. As they see fit. With example of the current election and 90% of my comments being rmd by yt... Same would happen to everyone's files in the future (if it won't be stopped). 100% control of the populas in order to shove in their narratives. With removing every single piece of evidence that one might have on any private computer that they would have access with with Win 12 or Win Cloud.
Got to love getting banned from a product you bought and paid for
a local account and storing data locally might become illegal....in a dark future.
If that helps keep all the wackos off the internet I'm all for it.
Windows in the cloud for normal people will kill gaming on Windows ...
i.e. dropping one of the few reasons to use Windows
No, you'll be able to play gaming through Xcloud, but yeah, native gaming will most likely be dead, and so moding.
It’s probably not meant for gaming, they advertise it as a way to “work from anywhere” on the same desktop
Linux and steam are in the clouds too...wake up
Worse an OS cloud based PC that you rent your OS not owning plus the hardware you paying to get screwed over
THERE IT IS! I knew they wanted to go back to terminals.
Slim clients have been around forever. I thought this was why all the raspberry pi 4b's where being bought by the 100s.
There's n9thing wrong with terminals, it's about time the general windows user UNDERSTANDS how to use a terminal. If you switch to linux, such as Ubuntu or Mint, you're going to know how to use the terminal, you're going to need to know how to fix certain things.
@@Malte-Micha Not that kind of terminal. Like a computer terminal. The ones that have no significant hardware and only run an instance on a server.
@Mhaakify oh lol. Well I see now. Thank God I don't run windows it's Linux all the way for me.
@@Malte-Micha You still aren't wrong in a way, though...
Console terminals are called as such precisely because there shouldn't ... (in theory) be a difference between talking to a host that is physically local and a host that is physically remote. A communication terminal is a communication terminal. Obviously there ARE differences, and users can often detect the side effects, but you still type and recieve through a standard interface. No doubt the windows cloud is a similar concept, except in this case the local comptuer is going to be JUST a terminal - except a more graphical WIMP based one as opposed to the text terminal you've apparently familiarized yourself with (and good on you for that - they are quite handy).
Im glad I switched to Linux, the whole OS in the cloud thing is very stupid, it would introduce additional latency, when the server goes down, then you cannot use it, the potential of hackers exploiting it, and much more bad things. Linux all the way, and it is always getting better.
The cloud does not exist. It's just someone else's computer.
My computer says Nooooo...
Cough... cough...
You will own nothing and YOU WILL BE HAPPY (or else...)!!!
The people that already own nothing. (First time?)
delete me and i come right back, wanna try me again. I WILL own it or i wont buy it! come at me MICROSOFT
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a local account and storing data locally might become illegal....in a dark future.
I'm already happy, now what?
@@SpaceCadet4Jesus So you will be happy with everything in the house you dwell (state-owned of course) is shared with other 25 newcomers, most of them hostile to you because of your faith? Soon not even your mind will be yours.
Switched to Linux 10 years ago. I can run my 500+ title Steam library with ease. Never once looked back.
Yep. Can confirm, this is how it is.
Maybe some weird niche thing doesn't run, but that's a low price to pay for being free from a megacorp.
I have some Steam titles too but I still remind myself and others that Steam is DRM. I'm personally replacing as many Steam titles as I can with GoG versions when I can buy them cheap enough in a sale.
I don't play any post-2010 AAA "games as a service, gamers as whales" titles anyway so I hope to be fully rid of Steam one day.
Is that your main focus, games?
@@terrydaktyllus1320steam isn't drm, it's a platform. Devs can and do have their games up with no drm on steam.
Now, you can complain about licenses and not owning anything, but in itself it is not drm.
Thank goodness for linux and the BSDs.
I Fixed this Windows on a Cloud problem with Fedora Silverblue,is a good anti malware ..
Loaded my first bare-metal Linux PC a couple months ago, and glad I did.
I’ve used Apple (before Macs), Max, trash, 80s, Sinclair, Atari 800, MS,DOS, windows, and now Linux.
I finally jumped ship completely when I bought my steam deck. I use it as a full-fledged desktop computer when it’s hooked up to a monitor, keyboard, mouse. This finally convinced me that I can use Linux has my own operating system. I wish I could’ve figured this out 20 years ago.
1:22 missed opportunity to sell it for 365$
Our Internet infrastructure in the US cannot support this format of computing in any meaningful way. There are still people in 2024 accessing the Internet on dial-up modems in remote areas. I was a beta tester for the now defunct Stadia and it was bad, it dropped connection constantly all the time I had over 100MB connection. Now I have a 400MB connection and games still drop (Amazon games for instance) and we have chronic Internet outages. This is primarily for corporations and large companies who have Fiber and other high speed connections. Home and small business users for the most part don't have to be scared that they are going to be forced to use an Online version of Windows in the near future. That being said, I recently spent a few days on Windows 11 while switching out my Manjaro computer to Ubuntu Cinnamon and despite being heavily tweaked Windows 11 was slow as molasses compared to Linux.
Dial Up, lucky them. In Germany big portions of the country don't have copper wire connections of any kind to the internet - and fiber is basically non existent. Also when traveling, even by train (car is worse), the mobile network is characterized more by its holes then its speed.
Whatever it is, when it's cloud based I can safely say that it's exclusively a problem in faraway countries.
Actually remote desktop is very lightweight compared to many corp apps that need communicate with corp servers/database etc.
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I don't know what you define as light weight, but I assume that "my apartment block of 16 apartments each with multiple Tennants has a singular 50M line shared between all apartments." levels of light. Oh and of course the house is so old that it doesn't have lan ports anywhere so it's all wifi which doesn't reach my room well and frequently disconnects because of the metal in the walls between me and the router.
And that's from someone in the middle of one of the bigger cities here, I'm having an above average connection etc.
@@younasdar5572 Stable 1-2Mbit is enough for Excel, ERP and other corp basic stuff, graphics heavy probably would need ~10Mbit. Back in days RDP ran fine on ADSL where erp couldn't even load database.
Sounds a lot like remote terminals in the days of the IBM360 computers. They spoke over RS232 and the new stuff if network but it seems the idea is sort of the same. You are making a central computer that is the only computer you really can use and remote terminals on it. To me this seems to be yet another reason to use Linux since something like a Raspberry is lower cost and performs better.
No, no windows smoking weed... wait what cloud are you talking about 😀
five + years linux only here... that said recently a mini pc i got had w11 I left it on it a few days tried hard to like it.... said mini is now running linux like all my devices. will miss my fav spyw... browser opera gx lol but ill survive :3 good vid as always
I'm gonna pass on this hot mess, as I like being able to do at least somethings local without an internet connection!!!
yes....make DOS great again...
Could you really afford it anyways?
@@SpaceCadet4Jesus 100%, but I choose not too.
@@CommodoreFan64 It requires a Microsoft Business 365 monthly subscription $$, plus the initial cost of the device $349, plus cost of monitor, plus keyboard/mouse, plus $66 per month per user for basic functionality or up to $349 per month per user for advanced setup, plus internet fees, cabling, etc..
Can you afford it now?
What I'm getting at is, there was a whole bunch of monthly charges $$ that this video didn't let you know was coming.
Microshaft-- not content to enshitify our local PCs, wants us Cloud-bound, too? I heard they're looking at making Windows a "subscription" service in the months ahead? Verb THAT right in the noun...
Google did that too with the Chromebook, and Chrome OS. Did you buy into that?
Windows 98 was peak Windows. All it did was run your programs. I don't need Microsoft weaseling themselves into every part of the user experience so everything is reliant on them.
I'll argue, and say Win XP was peak for how long it stuck around, and for getting the mainstream off the somewhat unstable 9X kernel, but 98/98SE despite it's issues was not far behind.
Windows 7 for ne was the last good version until WSUS could not complete the last few updates.
@@CommodoreFan64 I'd agree with you on Windows XP being "peak windows". I think the "Windows Classic" implementation is XP was excellent and was easy to put in place instead of the awful default XP interface - though I do have a "soft spot" for Windows 98SE.
XP was around for so long that in the last half of its life, processors and RAM speeds had improved so much that it ran well and fast - a simple but clean desktop that did what a good destop should do, just stay out the way and let the user run their programs as they want to.
@@BReal23-qm8hs I would be happy if Microsoft just kept the Windows 7 interface and just replaced the kernel and other services to keep up with security / compatibility. I don't need another settings app, a bunch of self installing useless apps, or AI features. Just let me run my apps!
@@BReal23-qm8hs i have win 7 x64 32GB ram, steam works, i play once or twice a week.
I am proudly not prepared for this.
I am happy for Windows to be in a dark grey storm cloud threatening bad weather to anyone nearby and me to be well way from it basking in the sunshine of Linux.
All this is largely theoretical to me. I'm moving in the direction of Windows 10 Offline on one machine and Linux on my other two (including my Daily Driver). If Microsoft don't like that, hard cheese!
In a office situation you have PC's conected into a server PC. So all the people in the office can log into server and access all documents and internet via one pc. You could run it on a home TV.
It is interesting how things have come full circle. Unix did this in the beginning. We had dummy Wyse Unix terminals. XWindows was made to facilitate this design. SUN said it best. The network is the computer.
This is subscription windows.
Windows in the cloud has been a thing for a long time, it just hasn't been offered by windows. But you've been able to rent a remote desktop for decades now.
$77/M for 2 cores, 8gb ram and 128Gb drive space on Windows 365 is too expensive even for business. The hardware isn't the only cost, it's a monthly subscription.
Linux isn't an alternative solution. Linux is unusable by most people because Linux isn't for profit, so it doesn't just work.
God forbid this should actually come to fruition...Home users should vehemently reject this...
Windows in the cloud. I can think of a more appropriate,much hotter place for Windows these days. To quote The Rolling Stones"Hey,you get off of my cloud".If Uncle Bill gets mad at you,goodbye computer.
Being in Philippines being able to have a PC with local software and data is essential during or for a few days after a typhoon.
Anything in the cloud is not yours and can be taken away in an instant. That includes all your photos or files , papers or books or theses you have written . If you don’t have it in local storage or on paper you don’t have it. This has already happened to me when half a book I had written suddenly vanished and Apple couldn’t find it anywhere in the cloud.
This, combined with the news of AMD making processors that you can't buy at any price because they are for use ONLY in Azure, tells me that we are headed to a future where end users cannot buy powerful machines for themselves. They must instead rely on rinky-dink client machines that connect them to cloud instances which are where all the compute happens.
I lost count of how many "azure" servers I had to block on my host file - they should really get over being stuffed in lockers in jr high and hit the gym rather than destroying the country.
Heaven will offer Windows 7. Hell will enforce whatever Ms has planned for us next.
An idea suggestion: what about a comprehensive video which will go through all the settings, modules, apps, tweaks, registry properties, files, updates, and so on in the latest edition of Windows, that are dangerous (privacy issues, the company spying etc.) and should be switched off or disabled. You can mention the corresponding part in Linux, that does this well. Ofc, only if you have information about these about Windows or do it as a collab with someone who knows...
its a well known common fact.... that clouds on earth disappear over time....
Recall was all it took for me. I've tried 4 different flavors, stuck mostly with Mint, and investigating MX.
I sure am ready for Windows in the cloud; This week I installed Linux and got Proton working.
I'm already considering Linux Distros. I'm just curious how to add sources on Commodore OS vision. I like the retro interface and sound effects. If I can't figure out how to do that, I might look into making LinuxMint look and sound like it instead.
I really need to start using my Linux box more than I do. Linux is actually on the most powerful h/w I have at home. I rescued a couple of barely used i7-3770 systems from going to the recycle centre. I just had to format the HDDs/SSDs before I could take them home, so installed Ubuntu.
I stand the lenovo thinkpad cult.
Nothing new under the sun here. What would be new is if we are forced to use thin client's and Windows running on a PC is phased out. I can see linux exploding if that happened.😢
If you ever had a question of Microsoft not having any imagination, windows 365 costs 349. It. Could. Have. Cost. 365
oh believe me those box will be runing windows 10 very soon after it release....
I really wish my school, transitions completely to Linux, while that is not the case, I have been able to convince my director to allow some PCs in the school laboratory to be entirely Linux. It's a step in a good direction! :D
Gonna make Mossads job a lot easier. Governments will be too slow to ever see this coming own nothing und be happy
Mossad?its all Nato hahaha
@@fabricio4794They all serve the same group of people in the end.
what do i do with thinnet clients.. hack em out to run linux or emulator gaming boxes :) batocera runs N64 and under quite nicely if its a model that you can hack the bios to take a native bootloader
It's not the "Cloud", there is no need for an abstraction, remember the "Cloud" is just another person PC.
So are all the websites you go to, so is Google search, so is everything outside of your house. The forgotten point?
I am glad i switched over to linux because i call all the shots on my system and i do what i want.
A proud ARCH user I see.
Will need an open source cpu to run from the central dystopia !!!
The reason I just can't completely switch to linux is small things like Customizable EC (Embedded Controller) Fan Controller with a GUI, copy paste texts in the background easily in Wayland, battery charge limiter to 80%.
Battery charge depends on firmware, for MSI laptop like mine, someone had made a custom "MSI Center" which succesfully allows for control of fan speed and battery percent, I still dualboot Win11 for study/programming, and Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon also for study/programming
But I use Win11 Pro to limit the telemetry, cloud sync stuff
windows making sure gamers will switch to Linux.
if the cloud based system became mandatory on home editions,
i think only old people would continue to use windows, who mainly use it for web browsing...
They are changing the hardware
Your soul wil belongs to Microsoft,no more p.hub on onedrive.
the thing is...
when everyone uses cloud "P"Cs Game developers will make sure to utilize the processing power coming with it... Meaning that new games will be so demanding that you simply cant Play them on your own hardware anymore forcing you to use the "cloud"
@@xplayerfireone I have seen new games. I won't be missing much, especially with studios like ea adding degenerative slop.
@@xplayerfireone The thing is, someone will have to pay for that processing power. This will eventually take away the fun of playing it, and certainly will discourage the parents willing to pay for their children to become hooked to such a game. Besides that, the cost itself can pose problems for a lot of the current players. Submitting to a subscription model based on actual usage is really different from buying a game.
Oh, hell no! W11 is already a redline to where things are going with cloud accounts and recall. I have already departed.
Even if it was $50 I don't think I would get this, cause I like to own and control my computer. Also it is good in case you don't have internet access. But it will be interesting if someone figures out how to hack this so you could use it for basic computing needs. I wonder what the monthly subscription fees will be for this Microsoft client 365; if it is high then you could buy a decent computer and just pay monthly payments instead.
Yes, ideally all you have is an "access terminal" of a machine, and all the software along with any files you create is under their direct control.
We use virtual desktops all the time at my client. Nothing is stored locally.
This cloud PC isn't for personal use, as he said and a price tag to match.
Regardless, the $349 basic equipment fee, you still need to maintain a Microsoft 365 subscription charge.
Add to all that a basic monthly fee of $66 monthly PER USER.
If you buy the advanced version, it can balloon up to $349 monthly PER USER.
This is a great product for businesses. Reduces a lot of system administration costs, auto back up, auto maintenance.. 👍
@@mentalstatement good for IT but bad if your using legacy devices
Never would have switched to Linux but this and coplot have convinced me. I'll probably stick with windows 10 one more year until support ends and then I'm definitely switching to some form of Linux (or maybe bsd)
Take the opportunity to learn open source software now. Most of it will run in Windows. It will make switching to Linux that much easier when you're ready. Your welcome.
I wouldn't wait until the support is gone. My computer supports 2 hard drives so I'm installing one with Linux Mint while I can still access the internet with Windows. That way, if I have any issues with drivers and such I can take care of it.
Or, who knows, maybe I won't like Mint and end up on another distro.
Either way, I am not waiting.
counting the minutes till AI writes itself a new linux kernel that can adapt and squeeze max out of available hw, your personal assistant that learns and upgrades on its own replacing the need for an operating system beneath, it already kills "googling" browsers will be the thing of a past in a year or two together with the ad fueled internet we know today
It sounds like there was a board meeting one day where someone learned what a mainframe was and realized the potential of running everything off of a remote connection service could mean for profit and information control. Probably a lot of people freaking out on how they can convince the public to switch from owning their digital things to renting them while the quantum computer people are slowing making a new "Quantum Mainframe" that we can remote into for more advanced computations that we will inevitably need when we reach that point in history.
We're marching into the slaughter house on our own volition. We allow these companies to continue operating despite encroaching onto our rights every other day. We won't stop until it's too late to turn back, and they have complete control. Welcome to the new age of 1984 x Cyberpunk 2077 (unless we never innovate past cheap AI voice assistants).
I've had a conspiracy theory in my head for a few years that phones already are this.
It feels like a step back to the 1970s where people could use dumb terminals at work. Wow, that’s just what I wanna do.
I am more then ready for cloud windows, I already switched to linux on my working pc, my gaming win 8 will also be running linux after upgrade, I asked for an m4 apple pro for my working laptop, so I am readu for azure windows.
Yeah, will certainly not be going in that direction! Hoping to get my folks on to Zorin_OS in January - I can't think of an easier transition for someone in their 80s. Thanks for the video.
Just like 90s terminal station at university. Circle is closing, again. What year is it? It it centralize or decentralize year this time :-) so consultants know what to push this time.
Kinda unrelated but.. whats keeping linux back is primarly contet creation and gaming, right?
And while it seems that the content creation is being slowly iron out, Why is there no project to make a linux kernel antivirus so game publisher have the choice to support linux too?
No that isn't holding Linux back, marketing, a lot of options (Linux is essentially 800+ mini companies with branded OS) and hardware partnerships are what's actually holding it back.
Gamers and Creators are a sub portion of users
@hopelessdecoy but they are part of the early adopters group and can influence normies
Content creation isn’t an issue on Linux. The programs exist but not all people are willing to learn a FOSS alternative. There might a feature that does not exist in the alternative though.
“Kernel level antivirus” is definitely wrong wording. No program should ever need kernel level access, only user level access. Kernel level access that’s used by anti-cheat in games is invasive system monitoring (like spyware). They should use server-side anti-cheat methods instead. Games can simply be ported to Linux with just a tick of a checkbox in some game engines like Unity. Devs just didn’t do it.
Antivirus for Linux isn’t needed. Use preventative measures, like only installing trusted programs (research the program, check app reviews), using a firewall, restricting what programs can do using flatpak/snap permissions, etc.
Main thing holding Linux back is that for the most part is not installed on new computers. Some windows programs can run on Linux using WINE, Bottles, Proton (Steam games). If that fails, there’s the option of using a Windows Virtual Machine or having a computer/extra drive specially for Windows-only tasks.
Duel booting Windows with Linux isn’t a good idea because Windows interferes with them in destructive ways like removing the boot partition(s) of distros
@@danwl9708 Duel booting, hehe
Sadly as we learned not so long ago, windows on a separate drive is not preventing windows touching other drives.
So either separate computers or disconnecting other drives before connecting windows drive to be sure.
Some sort of physical SATA switch might be worth looking into.
That's not so terrible situation until you have a choice. If you want small dumb USB stick that plugging in, say, TV, connecting to the cloud and let you use your cloud PC - that's sounds kinda nice. But if you want a powerful PC to have full control of your work and data, and they just forbid you to do that, that's sucks.
You will own nothing and be happy...
I will own Linux and be very happy :)
@@SwitchedtoLinux Is there a Linux Nothing OS? Because that would be funny marketing
@@SwitchedtoLinux Damn right. Linux is freedom. Windows is slavery
You own nothing, but you will still pay for it.
@@esphilee Yeah...HELL NO! I will own Linux and I will own my retro games and be happy! To hell with Microsoft and their forever rental BS OS
What part of you will own nothing and be happy don't you understand?
_”Were sorry, but your social score is lower than required. Please report for retraining, then try accessing your computer again next month.”_
_I think, therefore they’re coming for me first._
There's that kind of honesty and transparency from m$ with this device compared to win10 and 11. :-O
cause i need windows for school i hope i wont be force into making my laptop to a cloud only pc, cause that no gonna haoppen, if this happen i might install linux on my laptop and install a windows vm or windows app just school stuff, cause i wont have a cloud only laptop that a big no go for me
Brother, I picked a GOOD time to put Linux distros on all my boxes...not going to Windows 11
The only,place Windows is pushing me…is towards Linux
I'm on the verge of no longer using Windows except for development of software to sell to Windows users. I certainly won't be using a Windows virtual machine hosted on a remote server (aka. "the cloud").
as I understand it these will have GPUss as all New Computer will the GPU ios built in part of the processor even Nvida is say day of over sized high power GPU is over ..
Will people please stop saying the cloud ,There is no such thing you are dumping your stuff on other peoples servers in this case Microsofts and i bet they love it people voluntarily giving them info so they can make money out of it . wont be long before they launch it on the unsuspecting public
If you don't use the term cloud, why you don't like it I don't know, do we call it the interwebs, the internets, the out there gathering of people's?
M$ is checking our stupidity.How much we are able to stand to use Windows OS.
Ah, the next crowdstrike moment in the making
So glad they finally invented the thin client
Title: Are You Ready for WINDOWS IN THE CLOUD?
Me: No. I'm not. Linux or bust.
The cloud is just someone else's computer, only usable with a high-speed internet connection. I'll stick with my 11700K, 32GB RAM, 12TB storage, desktop running Mint. The Starlink ethernet connection is just for Filezilla, Deluge, Thunderbird and Firefox.
Time for Linux.
Never liked anything on clouds. I'd rather take care of my own files/backups myself, not have them stored on someone else's device.
The positive thing... No longer being able to take your laptop to a meeting...? No.... not even that....
Seems like a somewhat sleeker "Thin Client" type device. Really not my thing anymore. At work (35,000 users) five years ago, we decided not to do this.
MS has been pushing Office users to subscription model. It's no accident that MS wants users to switch away from Windows 10. Someday, I won't be surprised if even their OS will be subscription as well. I used to like MS and made fun of Apple / Linux users. Now, I'm changing my tune thanks to what MS has become.
Slowly switching everything over to Linux ... Just looking for a Tablet and a phone,....
It's not "Windows in the cloud", It's just a thin client for Microsoft 365 (Office) and Business Central (NAV) For home use it's about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
Microsoft is really wanting users to switch to a different OS, Linux and Mac, and Linux would be the better choice. After support Microsoft OSes and products for nearly 30 years now, this is the wort I have ever seen. Glad I know Linux and use it for myself.
This will eventually make its way to end consumers, and become the standard. If it doesn't i'll be surprised. But I do think it will trickle down. I will stick with Arch. It's home for me now. I'd only be on Windows still if 7 was still supported. At least at minimum for drivers, and security.
Microsoft does a great job of promoting their competition by accident!
its not by accident..... more like its by design...
This is what ATT talked about in the late 60's. You would have a terminal and the processing and the storage would be in the central office. Didn't happen.