When Japan & America Made Different Sonic Sequels

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  • Sonic Origins is about to come out, so I decided to talk about Sonic 2 and Sonic CD.
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  • @butcherax
    @butcherax ปีที่แล้ว +1669

    No one ever mentions how Metal Sonic is appropriate for a time-travel game with good futures and bad futures because his design is influenced by the Terminator.

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว +15

      yeah, true. :)

    • @butcherax
      @butcherax ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Actually I think Strafefox mentioned it, but no one else…

    • @brandonwilliams6119
      @brandonwilliams6119 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      Never even thought of Metal Sonic and the time traveling being a possible reference to Terminator! That’s insane!

    • @wesley939
      @wesley939 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s amazing

    • @butwaithow_9622
      @butwaithow_9622 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No

  • @cirnosnumberfan6449
    @cirnosnumberfan6449 ปีที่แล้ว +1284

    "How did Sonic turn Super in the end? There's no rings."
    Well, this could imply that the rings are only for gameplay purposes, and Sonic can really just turn Super as long as he has the Emeralds.

    • @stoopitnamls
      @stoopitnamls ปีที่แล้ว +152

      You may be right
      Since Sonic 2's True Ending wasn't the only time Sonic turned Super without rings

    • @cay7809
      @cay7809 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      @@stoopitnamls sonic 3 intro sonic 3 ending and s&k ending

    • @stoopitnamls
      @stoopitnamls ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cay7809 Mf doesn't know english 💀
      My comment was saying that he was right,since Sonic 2's ending was not the only time Sonic went super/hyper without collecting rings

    • @julzjamz1094
      @julzjamz1094 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      I believe in this theory aswell, but sonic adventure 2 during switching between sonic and shadow, sonic says he will “gather more rings”, and they switch with 50 rings. What does sega think?

    • @undeadbatman9762
      @undeadbatman9762 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@julzjamz1094 It’s not a theory, Sonic has lasted for days in super before.
      Also in SA2 when you switch the ring counter goes to 0 and then reloads. Multiple games have either shown Super Sonic without ring counters or Sonic not requiring rings at all.

  • @Comkill117
    @Comkill117 ปีที่แล้ว +1120

    I love how the past themes use the sound chip thing for the past themes but the other versions of the songs use proper CD audio to show the past is old. It’s such a weird detail, but it’s so cool.

    • @Nikku4211
      @Nikku4211 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      If they were in Sonic 2, would the ancient stage themes be exclusively using the Sega PSG?

    • @Nikku4211
      @Nikku4211 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If they were in Sonic 2, would the ancient stage themes be exclusively using the Sega PSG?

    • @bradydonley6607
      @bradydonley6607 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah.

    • @Mewtube-47
      @Mewtube-47 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Sadly, it wasn’t a “cool detail” it was due to space limitations, so to save space they used the sound chip. (🤓🤓)

    • @Steelwaterfall1
      @Steelwaterfall1 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@Mewtube-47 Yep, it was a bit of a retcon but one that worked out in their favor! The Yuusei demo build's past used Redbook audio, but it would've taken all the space on the disk for each zone to have 4 unique Redbook audio tracks, which is also why the past music sounds the same for the US release as the US soundtrack was very, VERY rushed and they didn't have time to make the sequencer music match which was an oddity for many years.

  • @TheFatestPat
    @TheFatestPat ปีที่แล้ว +270

    The Japanese really love that whole "normal guy is secretly a superhero" angle. They did that with some of the Megaman comics/manga too.

    • @Handles_be_dumb
      @Handles_be_dumb ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The Megaman RPG's on DS and GBA also embrace that angle

    • @bottomtext593
      @bottomtext593 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Of all the anime and manga I watch and read, I can confidently say that 95% of the time they roll with the "Protagonist seems like an average joe but is actually a godlike cheat-level badass" trope.

    • @Darkest_matter
      @Darkest_matter ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They do that with a lot of anime. Also they really like 200 year old vampires that look like their 16.

    • @Vincentvalentinezxa
      @Vincentvalentinezxa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Handles_be_dumb they dont lmao

    • @Vincentvalentinezxa
      @Vincentvalentinezxa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Handles_be_dumb almost everyone knows lan and megaman.exe in the games, they are not a secret superhero or smh like that

  • @gospyro
    @gospyro ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Great video! I was an artist on Sonic 2 (Hidden Palace and Oil Ocean), the only difficulties between the American and Japanese team members was Naka. To the best of my knowledge he was the only one who had a problem working with the Americans. After Sonic 2 he threatened to quit (which he did any time he didn’t get his way) if he didn’t get an all Japanese team with their own office.

    • @kuugoriver
      @kuugoriver 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      sounds horrible to work with someone like that, I even wonder how the game came out this good

    • @gospyro
      @gospyro 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@kuugoriver Naka was a dick, but he was also an good programmer. But I think mostly it was the rest of the team, in partciular Yasahara and Yamaguchi, who were incredibly talented and incredible nice to work with.
      Fortuantly I never had to work directly with Naka, I just had to deal with his naccissim second hand. Although he cost me the opportunity to work on Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles (and by doing that, the opportunity to work with Yasahara and Yamaguchi again).

    • @WhatIsMatter101
      @WhatIsMatter101 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Naka is a proven douchebag. He backstabbed Cerny (even though Cerny hired him to join STI) to get his position, and had almost all members of the Geist Force removed to get a hold of their 3D tools.
      No wonder Sonic Team still continued his tradition with Iizuka's back pedalling with Big Red Button's Sonic Boom. It was not a great game, but it had potential.
      Him being convicted was 30 years of bad karma that built up.

    • @ElectroMaster20
      @ElectroMaster20 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dang dude, you made part of my childhood! I remember playing all the classic Sonic games on my PS3 with Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. (never got to your zones for a while though, got stuck on chemical plant 😅)

  • @Arzinist
    @Arzinist ปีที่แล้ว +272

    how can someone be so criminally underrated
    Edit: damn I just wanted to say something nice why are you guys so fucking mean holy shit

    • @stewboy69
      @stewboy69 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I know right he deserves a lot of more views

    • @Mctee..
      @Mctee.. ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@stewboy69 100%

    • @tideio
      @tideio ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Seriously 😭😭

    • @NotBrainytrust
      @NotBrainytrust ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Your right this video needs way more views on 9k we need to get this on the for you page

    • @inkedthedemon
      @inkedthedemon ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Idk he only has 3 videos so it kinda makes sense

  • @carlosbleu7396
    @carlosbleu7396 ปีที่แล้ว +486

    It was the same thing with Mario: after the huge success of Super Mario bros in 1985, Shigeru and his team develop a sequel but very similar to the first game and more difficult. The game was very appreciated to Japan but, a representative of video game in United States (who loves games from Shigeru Miyamoto) tested it and found it so hard for Occidentals that he adviced them to prevent the release out of Japan in order to not losing the trust that people getting back after the crack of video games.
    After, Nintendo developped another Super Mario bros 2 (inspired from Doki doki panic) but different from the original with the possibility to control 4 characters and it was a success.

    • @samuelpounds1475
      @samuelpounds1475 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Super Mario Bros 2 is basically a reskin of the game Doki Doki Panic

    • @carlosbleu7396
      @carlosbleu7396 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I know but it worked as well.

    • @90sNath
      @90sNath ปีที่แล้ว +96

      @@samuelpounds1475 I hate this incorrect spread statement. Doki Doki Panic was actually always originally Super Mario Bros 2, but then was converted to he Doki Doki Panic, and then when the US needed a sequel, they converted that BACK to Super Mario Bros 2

    • @LITTLE1994
      @LITTLE1994 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@90sNath Yup.

    • @korshmeezy4974
      @korshmeezy4974 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      So is the lost levels the Japanese sequel?

  • @feywinterfox9630
    @feywinterfox9630 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    "Dude...It we're in 1993! Your gonna get a cut scene and your gonna like it!"
    🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @cheeseyspritesonic9838
    @cheeseyspritesonic9838 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    4:23 So you’re telling me that this is tails…dad? Amazing

    • @JakeTLT
      @JakeTLT ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I read this comment the way Wade asked about Longclaw being Tails’ mother in the Sonic Movie 2

  • @miwiki6
    @miwiki6 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    another underrated sonic youtuber (?).
    i swear, people like you make youtube a better platform.

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, but people who is on the TH-cam screwing the things up is making it worse, but I am still happy having people who are wanting to have great hits content out there and even what makes me want to do TH-cam when I was younge boi and completely crapped on it, but these content is one of the reasons why I even still watch TH-cam in general. It also makes me less depressed, and willing to go back into TH-cam videos someday to make impact eventually, which I see it as good thing. :)

  • @TurkeyFaceX
    @TurkeyFaceX ปีที่แล้ว +217

    Yeah, Sonic CD does have a lot going for it. Multiple ways to see the true ending, beautiful cut-scenes, emphases on exploration, multiple versions of each stage, introduction of long stay villain Metal Sonic, all and all this was clearly the more ambitious game to follow up the original Sonic game. Maybe I have a little bias considering Sonic 2 was my first ever owned video game, but it is my preference. I love the emphases on speed, level design was top notch, Tails was the perfect long stay companion, Super Sonic was and still is one of the coolest power ups in any video game. It was pure gaming bliss and one I still come back to frequently today. If it weren't for Sonic Mania, Sonic 2 would probably be in my top 10 favorite games of all time.

    • @MrJamesshipman
      @MrJamesshipman ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I love sonic cd

    • @vibinseal6416
      @vibinseal6416 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's sad that most people simply hate Sonic CD due to the often lack of speed in the levels and the need to do some pretty annoying tasks to get the true ending. This is why Sonic CD is not really a favourite in the community of sonic most of the time. I guess some people simply hate the existence of the time stones, they do just seem like a knockoff of the chaos emeralds.

    • @TurkeyFaceX
      @TurkeyFaceX ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@vibinseal6416 Never said I hate it, actually I thought I gave it high praise. Thing is, Sonic 2 might be getting a free pass being my first ever video game and I hold it up unfairly high likely due to my nostalgia. Where Sonic CD is a game I only started playing more recently when I picked it up on Steam a few years back.
      Plus you're right, the speed in Sonic 2 does help, after all the concept and main selling point of Sonic was speed after all and this game is one of if not the best entries when it comes to speed, only matched by possibly Mania. And no, boost doesn't count, artificial speed doesn't compare to the raw momentum gameplay Sonic 2's speed brings to the table.

    • @Cutzerella03
      @Cutzerella03 ปีที่แล้ว

      CD is awesome

    • @lazarushernandez5827
      @lazarushernandez5827 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The recent re-releases of Sonic CD (Chris Whitehead) included the time attack mode, which removes the time travel posts and lets you attack the level just on speed. Despite the size of the Sonic CD levels, you can get through each one in some very quick times (you actually unlock more features this way). You can do this in the regular game mode as well but have to pay attention to the time travel posts.

  • @carterj506
    @carterj506 ปีที่แล้ว +326

    It makes me sad that some people don't realize how amazing amy is and they only see the bad about her.

    • @EWOODJ
      @EWOODJ ปีที่แล้ว +64

      It’s less that people don’t realize and more the bad things outweigh the good for them.
      And those constantly trying to explain why she’s amazing tend to come off as annoying themselves to people, especially when they disagree with those opinions.
      For me, how a character acts towards others matter more to me than any of their feats or accomplishments.

    • @maximmikheev8172
      @maximmikheev8172 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      Yeah, her character is pretty interesting and charming actually. She's not just a "GYUURL" or "sonic fanatic". Amy has that rough angry tomboish attitude but on the other hand trying to balance it with kind and feminine personality. Also, she has a real character arc, starting as a typical damsel in distress in Sonic CD and becoming more confident and heroic in later games

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@maximmikheev8172
      Pretty true for the analysis on the character of Amy Rose from the series called, Sonic the Hedgehog.
      Even other people could of made this comment as a video and call it their own and just be a good Sonic video.
      Very true, I know. :)

    • @maximmikheev8172
      @maximmikheev8172 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SN64YT didn't get the point of your comment. Looks like sarcasm but whatever

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@maximmikheev8172 No, just saying that it can be so good that others might plagiarize it. Sorry if I didn’t explain it in a better way. I feel like I just went on a tangent making it both a response and joke. It’s weird. So sorry for any confusion to my comment though. :)

  • @SammEater
    @SammEater ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Sonic CD was definitelly being made right after Sonic 1, the sprites and overall design for the levels almost feels like an extension of Sonic's 1 art.

    • @B-qz9fo
      @B-qz9fo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No it wasn't

  • @Ryeuchi
    @Ryeuchi ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I’m so glad someone likes Sonic CD as much as I do for all the same reasons! I know most people objectively like Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles most and I totally understand and see why, but CD just really spoke to me personally with the story, music, aesthetics, and the ambition of the level designs, it has a really special place in my heart :)

  • @bobjeezorham7658
    @bobjeezorham7658 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I never knew Tails as a character was decided on by an internal art contest, that's pretty cool. I wonder if there is any surviving concept art of what the very first sidekick of Sonic could've looked like.

    • @thispersonwriting1889
      @thispersonwriting1889 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, as of a couple years ago, we have at least one of the other submissions: Boomer the Turtle (look it up).

    • @bobjeezorham7658
      @bobjeezorham7658 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Man, now I kinda wish Boomer was real. Appreciate the info@@thispersonwriting1889

  • @nort1351
    @nort1351 ปีที่แล้ว +279

    Finally, another person who actually likes sonic CD. Besides me.
    Edit: OK, I see that there are sonic CD fans here. I see a lot of people saying that this is the black sheep of the classic sonic games. In fact I thought that sonic CD and sonic 1 was always under sonic 2 and sonic 3&K. Because I see people prefer 2 and 3&K over 1 and CD. But I always treated all of the classic sonic games equally, I have a great time with all of them. I always thought the classics were split into two. Sonic 1 and CD were underrated while sonic 2 and 3&K we're the opposite. But I'm glad people are fans of these nonetheless. I love all these games, which is why I'm excited for sonic orgins. Sorry if this is kinda long for an edit, lol.

    • @borderline-passible
      @borderline-passible ปีที่แล้ว +6

      hold on buster im right here

    • @nort1351
      @nort1351 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@borderline-passible wut do u like about CD?

    • @lpalaguachi2
      @lpalaguachi2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@nort1351 the music is cool

    • @nort1351
      @nort1351 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lpalaguachi2 I agree. But that's what everyone says. That's the reason why people love this game so much. If it didn't have music as good as this, then I don't think it would be as loved.

    • @borderline-passible
      @borderline-passible ปีที่แล้ว +6

      most things (exept that i suck at it) the music amazing cutscenes but what i love the most is the peel up really shows sonics running speed

  • @chinzverse
    @chinzverse ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Finally! A great video explaining the differences between Sonic 2 and CD in a very interesting and humorous way!

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว +1

      to sum up my thoughts on this video in general.

  • @ThatOneHypeCookie
    @ThatOneHypeCookie ปีที่แล้ว +29

    3:50 This Part Cracked Me Up! The Way He Says “Italics” Is Hilarious 😂

  • @MrSRArter
    @MrSRArter ปีที่แล้ว +15

    1:48 The Mega-Play arcade version of Sonic 1 actually cut both Marble Zone and Labyrinth Zone.

  • @firestar01234
    @firestar01234 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Sonic 2 definitely has the smoothest of transitions between Sonic 1 to its successor, especially in terms of level format. The one detriment to the game to me.....has got to be the special stages though. I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE THEM!!!! Sonic CD whilst I'd love to have seen Super Sonic or even a different ability given for collecting all the Time Stones, was greater overall in the experience of collecting said stones or having the options to skip them entirely for the Badnick Machines to achieve same said result.
    In Sonic 1 you can kind of consider them luck based, however I still felt more in control and when I messed up...I felt it was on me. Sonic 3/Knuckles I felt the same way, probably the easiest of the 4 in my opinion. Sonic CD's was both a mixture of challenging like 2, fairness like 3/Knuckles, & new enjoyable experience accompanied with CD format/style.
    Overall Sonic 2 is better/best if you want an improved Sonic 1 experience with increased speed and stronger reward for collecting Chaos Emeralds (though I always just used 19, 65, 9, 17 and then 4, 1, 2 ,6 sound test codes to get said reward....cause again.....F* Those Special Stages)
    Sonic CD overall is better/best in my opinion if you want a mixture of both speed and a funky soundtrack adventure with both JPN/US accompaniments. More grandiose with 4 versions of stages, abilities such as the Super Peel Out & Sonic 1-styled version of the Spin Dash/Attack from Sonic 2. Special Rewards aren't as strong as Sonic 2's, yet the story encapsulated within makes the journey more worthwhile in my eyes. Different strokes for different folks. Sonic 2 would still be an easy 8-9/10 to me, Sonic CD would just be an easy 9-9.5/10 by comparison.

  • @zechariahcaraballo8765
    @zechariahcaraballo8765 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    8:27 ironic the timetravel mechanic was not added due to lack of time

    • @Hazodaki
      @Hazodaki หลายเดือนก่อน

      THE IRONYY

  • @VaniRoyal
    @VaniRoyal ปีที่แล้ว +42

    16:19 Toei didn’t work on those american shoes, that was TMS (Tokyo Movie Shinsha), you’ve got your wires crossed there, but TMS did do the “man of the year” short from sonic jam, 5 AoStH episodes and the entirety of sonic X. Aside from those, Freakazoid, Batman and the best looking animaniacs segments, they also did the best tiny toon segments, the first half of the original ducktales series, and many others.
    I don’t think any American produced shows ever outsourced from Toei, not counting Sonic CD obviously, that’s still a Japanese developed game.

    • @deadturret4049
      @deadturret4049 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whats neat though is that Sega owns TMS as well as Marza Animation Planet. As a big Lupin III fan as well as a sonic fan, that just brings a smile to my face. Seeing Marza go from sonic cutscenes to teaming up with TMS for a cgi lupin movie was crazy to me.

  • @tzarg
    @tzarg ปีที่แล้ว +14

    honestly, the idea of making the levels simpler is also seen present in other sonic games (the only two i've played) and I love they did this

  • @TheOneToKeepYouWaiting
    @TheOneToKeepYouWaiting ปีที่แล้ว +4

    16:20
    That explains the Batman parody poster in Sonic CD.

  • @Christopher-vj2ie
    @Christopher-vj2ie ปีที่แล้ว +4

    18:05 made me laugh way too hard. xD

  • @CMM47
    @CMM47 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    8:16 reminds me of "Gary you will eat that food and you're gonna like it"

    • @Wall207Slow
      @Wall207Slow ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My boy you gonna take this cutscene

  • @Pera_Plays
    @Pera_Plays ปีที่แล้ว +6

    11:20 this music is a bop

    • @Rexy_THE_T-REX
      @Rexy_THE_T-REX 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      All the quarts quadrant music is a fn bop

    • @DubiousDepthsRadio
      @DubiousDepthsRadio หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Rexy_THE_T-REXbruh the whole jp soundtrack is a gem

  • @Sir_veillance
    @Sir_veillance ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Sonic CD is actually my favourite game of all time!

  • @yousefslimani99
    @yousefslimani99 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I Would Say "Sonic" is The Number 1 My Favorite Franchise of All Time!!

  • @colors7792
    @colors7792 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    My favorite sonic 2 game has gotta be sonic CD. Even though I’m a fan of tails, I still like the music, cutscene, story, animation, new better characters, and the times they get 2 true endings and the past and future functions.

  • @silverflight01
    @silverflight01 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's kinda bizarre to look back at a time when Japan and USA didn't have the same stuff all the time (like the Famicom)

    • @ashmander3465
      @ashmander3465 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And super Mario bros 2

  • @chair_dibscrib6975
    @chair_dibscrib6975 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    “He exchaAnged notes” …
    7:22
    U alright there bud?

    • @shadowingot3578
      @shadowingot3578 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gosh thanks for pointing it out I’m dying of laughter now xd

  • @cheesethepyriteblur
    @cheesethepyriteblur ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the new thumbnail doesnt really look as good as the original imo
    but that doesnt change how great the video is
    R.I.P. old thumbnail

  • @TheEncoreHedgehog
    @TheEncoreHedgehog 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Captions: miles "tails" power
    Kiro: Miles "Tails" Prower"

  • @mezykin
    @mezykin ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:58 good to know there's somebody else out there who's into italics ❤️

  • @MrSuperUltimate
    @MrSuperUltimate ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I can't believe Lil John's first appearance was in Sonic. You really out did yourself on the research 🤣 18:40 The power of Lil John continues to amaze me 😭

  • @Compassionate38
    @Compassionate38 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I can dream about Sonic Mania with the time travel mechanic in every level. Sonic CD is just amazing. Creating the good future is a delight.

  • @theskeleton8576
    @theskeleton8576 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I really only have Sonic CD on my phone. The controls are... wonky at times, but the game is great. If I were to say what the best zone is, it'd be Stardust Speedway. The best level in my opinion is Stardust Speedway act three, for the reason of that you race against Metal Sonic of all people, and it'sthe first time Metal Sonic appeared as a boss. And it's free on mobile phones, along with Sonic 2.

    • @brub-eo1oj
      @brub-eo1oj ปีที่แล้ว

      Its called stardust speedway

    • @theskeleton8576
      @theskeleton8576 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brub-eo1oj Thanks for reminding me.

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว

      You would have better controls if you have a Bluetooth controller connected to your phone, and I did play some of it though. Didn't actually completed it, but I planned to complete it fully eventually just like Sonic 1 and Sonic 2. :)

    • @lazarushernandez5827
      @lazarushernandez5827 ปีที่แล้ว

      The phone version controls very well, I've managed to beat the game, get all of the time stones, even unlocking the extras with the time attack/time trial.

  • @KotCR
    @KotCR ปีที่แล้ว +5

    @17:20 Come Sonic Heroes, Metal Sonic is not so obedient.
    Nor cold or lifeless for that matter lol.
    Too much hatred and anger within it for that!
    I bet Robotnik couldn't hit the reset memory button fast enough :p.

  • @HeavyRaiden
    @HeavyRaiden ปีที่แล้ว +30

    This channel is gonna grow a lot, i'm feeling it. Great video Kiro!

  • @christiancanalishimizu9116
    @christiancanalishimizu9116 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sonic 2 was an updated and improved sequel to Sonic as a character, however Sonic CD was an alternate take and sequel to Sonic 1 specifically. Both games are great though, and please check out the fan made US Past soundtrack by KindMeteorStudios, it's awesome!

    • @christiancanalishimizu9116
      @christiancanalishimizu9116 ปีที่แล้ว

      plus fun fact; during the sonic cd time travel cutscenes, nothing from the next time period is actually loaded for most of it's duration.

  • @amberpasta9379
    @amberpasta9379 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I see your channel going places… I love the formatting of your videos. Keep up the great work 👍

  • @imfsresidentotaku9699
    @imfsresidentotaku9699 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got an ad, and the transition from the video is smooth. Really fits in with this video's satisfying editing style.

  • @stoopitnamls
    @stoopitnamls ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This guy needs more attenction
    His content is great!
    When i first watched his first video i tought he had at least 50k+ subs
    This guy deserves better

  • @lukasperezlondono5667
    @lukasperezlondono5667 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    actually, they made a cutscene for the time travel thing not only bc it was a lot cooler than the inmediate boom, but also, with the inmediate boom, the level variant might just not be there and it needs to load in, so the cutscene was made to make it load in correctly and then u can go into it.

  • @CorneliusCob
    @CorneliusCob ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Also, I don’t think this got mentioned, but collecting all 7 time stones not only gives you the good ending, but also automatically sets every zone to the good future (if you were to travel to it)

  • @scribblestudios4006
    @scribblestudios4006 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro I watch your videos all the time and they just explain everything that I wanted to know. Good job 👏🏼

  • @PupRiku
    @PupRiku ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely loved this video. My first of yours and I'm looking forward to viewing the rest. I knew most of this information but you really made it fun.

  • @masonr1666
    @masonr1666 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really like the US version of Sonic CDs music. It is the version I grew up with. The Bad Future's was slightly menacing.
    Hearing both versions now, I prefer the US special stage music.
    Also, I think the special stage for Sonic CD makes the most sense logically. If Robotnick had the emeralds/ times stones he would build a fortress to keep them safe, and you would only have a small amount of time to find it, before everything got locked down.

  • @jadstudiosofficial
    @jadstudiosofficial ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Even though there were 2 different Sonic sequels, Both games introduced characters that have been staples in the Sonic series.
    And they are:
    Miles “Tails” Prower
    Amy Rose
    and Metal Sonic.

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, but Sonic CD has more characters than Sonic 2. :)
      But I do think Sonic 2 is more better in the gameplay apartment, while Sonic CD had more better in the presentation more. :)

    • @SpectacularKorin
      @SpectacularKorin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SN64YT Sonic 2 had Tails and a type of Metal Sonic, CD doesn't have more characters

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SpectacularKorin It introduced Amy Rose in the games in he Sonic series.

    • @SpectacularKorin
      @SpectacularKorin ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SN64YT it also introduced a metal sonic in the series

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SpectacularKorin Yes, I am aware.

  • @Scorpiove
    @Scorpiove ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved your video essay, you really did great at talking about what makes both games shine.

  • @competitivedishwasher6579
    @competitivedishwasher6579 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wait, let me get this straight
    This man with great editing skills amd fantastic humor only had 4 videos and is has a channel that is only a month old??
    Dude, you are a god. Keep it up!

  • @boop53
    @boop53 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    ranking the classics:
    5 - Sonic 1
    4 - Sonic CD
    3 - Sonic 2
    2 - Sonic 3K
    1 - Sonic Mania

    • @assbeater
      @assbeater ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bro Sonic CD is goddamn masterpiece what the hell

    • @boop53
      @boop53 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@assbeater level design isn’t the best tbf
      amazing concept, soundtrack and style tho
      i also love the cd running animation more. the figure 8 is so cool

    • @shewolfcub3
      @shewolfcub3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@boop53 I disagree 100% the level design is genius

    • @fatherdog346
      @fatherdog346 ปีที่แล้ว

      mania come out in 2017

    • @boop53
      @boop53 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fatherdog346 i know that.

  • @shocktrauma85
    @shocktrauma85 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I will say, as far as CD's Soundtrack goes, I am more of a fan of the JP Version, but I have come to appreciate the US a lot more after giving it a good listen.

  • @johncarltonmusic4184
    @johncarltonmusic4184 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job on this. I can tell it took alot of time and you put your heart in it

  • @marca.sutton8623
    @marca.sutton8623 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brother, your content was so complete and entertaining I've had no choice to subscribe. Honestly good job on that video!!

  • @Jay6x
    @Jay6x ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can't tell you how many times I've played through Sonic CD. It may actually be one of my most played through games. The replayability is nearly endless with how many ways you can approach the game. I still have yet to try a "Play Good Future for Every Zone" run, where I destroy the generator in the past, then warp all the way to the good future, and play the entire good future stage (It's honestly rather tedious). With recent releases of Sonic CD, you can change the ost between JP and US. I don't have a particular preference. I have nostalgia for US, but I also really like the JP. I switch it up every now and then.
    Good video. Informative. You did research. Keep it up!

    • @lazarushernandez5827
      @lazarushernandez5827 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, you can try and collect every ring in each time zone(tedious but you end up with a supply of extra lives), try and collect all time stones by the 4th area (Quartz Quadrant), or even just blast through the stages as fast as possible (in time attack mode you can get through each level in under a minute, some of them in under 30 seconds).
      I like Sonic 2 but I didn't see the reduction from 3 levels per zone to 2 as a positive.

  • @L.J.Xlovesarts
    @L.J.Xlovesarts ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I hate the fact you're only at 300 or so subscribers, as a huge sonic fan myself, i love your passion when speaking about this silly franchise, youre AMAZING

  • @-Lola.
    @-Lola. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a really cool video. I’ve actually never played Sonic CD, but I love the music and overall aesthetic of it. Seeing Sonic in it’s infancy is fascinating

  • @KingTvlip
    @KingTvlip ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice video, and a unique type of content for the over-saturated SonicTube videos usually uploaded. Keep growing pal!

  • @amanuafton9920
    @amanuafton9920 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    At 0:54 bro is a Japan Gigachad

    • @Hazodaki
      @Hazodaki หลายเดือนก่อน

      fr

  • @thomashost272
    @thomashost272 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    18:54 Amy if you dig into her backstory more is far more interesting. I love how Origins brought back her Tarot Cards as it gives her more personality than just... "Girl Sonic who likes Normal Sonic who also for whatever reason has a hammer the size of her body that she literally stores in her ass because ✨Hammer Space✨".

    • @deadturret4049
      @deadturret4049 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The IDW comics also held onto the tarot cards thing, which was nice. She uses them to encourage one of the newer characters.

  • @RhythicManRhythm
    @RhythicManRhythm ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is very high quality and I didn’t expect to end up watching the whole video. It was entertaining the whole way through.

  • @infamous-riv3ra36
    @infamous-riv3ra36 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro I love your edits I subscribed literally just because of them

  • @analoren4745
    @analoren4745 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    8:52 they could absolutely still make a game like this and it would be rad as hell. Why aren't they making this game??

  • @nicholastosoni707
    @nicholastosoni707 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The one thing that would have made CD better is a "divining rod" for the Robotnik generators, not unlike the Emerald Radar. It would need to be vague enough to make you have to look, but just precise enough to give you a sense of structure.

  • @YanZ_Edits
    @YanZ_Edits ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, dude really informative, and I love your comedic editing lol Like seriously you got me excited to try these games out, I've never played Sonic 2 or Sonic CD, now I really gotta check them out. You just got yourself a subscriber 👍

  • @bes03c
    @bes03c ปีที่แล้ว

    I am halfway through this video and I just subbed. Good stuff!

  • @SOWEETZ
    @SOWEETZ ปีที่แล้ว +3

    4:52 wrong emerald buddy!

  • @barkowacko
    @barkowacko ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i love the jp/eu & us versions of the sonic cd soundtrack equally for different reasons. jp/eu is more upbeat & in-tune with sonic's personality, us is more atmospheric & compliments the level environments. i throw on the jp/eu one when i wanna dance, throw on the us one when i wanna vibe. "speedway to good future" is one of my particular faves off the us ost.

  • @ericstaples7220
    @ericstaples7220 ปีที่แล้ว

    After watching a lot of videos recently where the uploader just describes what happens in a game or tv show, and makes very few points, this video was a breath of fresh air with its indepth analysis.

  • @extreme1842
    @extreme1842 ปีที่แล้ว

    Woah! Didn't know you only had three videos! Your videos seemed so professional and had alot of views and stuff, so I figured you had more. If this is your beginning, it's pretty awesome, and I hope I can see more content!

  • @SADXGamer4
    @SADXGamer4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    6:07 the rings aren’t canon, so he can transform at will

    • @Shock_Wattage
      @Shock_Wattage ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Actually they are

    • @_.-h-_.
      @_.-h-_. หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know this is a late comment but I am pretty sure the rings are indeed canon, but that needing 50 rings to transform is simply a game mechanic, kind of like limiting how long Tails can actually fly for before getting tired in order to prevent the player from flying too much.

  • @ZER0LEGEND
    @ZER0LEGEND ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ok you have to agree, the only time you don’t want to get good future is for the zone with metal sonic, because then you don’t get metal sonics iconic epic theme song

    • @superpig2067
      @superpig2067 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Except if you play the us version because stardust speedway good future us is very epic

    • @ZER0LEGEND
      @ZER0LEGEND ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@superpig2067 yeah

    • @lazarushernandez5827
      @lazarushernandez5827 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZER0LEGEND I like all of Stardust Speedway's music U.S. or Japanese, they all seem to convey a sense of speed and/or urgency, the past and present Japanese version also dive into the jazz vibe the level graphics convey.

  • @keilank
    @keilank ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nothing feel's better than when you go so fast in Sonic 2 that Sonic flys off camera to the right, especially in chemical plant zone.

  • @jiggylookback
    @jiggylookback ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video man! A loot of awesome information! Makes me wanna go back and play Sonic 2

  • @Murdercide626
    @Murdercide626 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Personally, I never cared much for Sonic CD. I just can't get past the clunky level design and tedious time travel mechanic. Sure, the concept is interesting, the music is nice, and the animated cutscenes are awesome, but that all amounts to nothing if the game itself isn't fun.
    Sonic 2 on the other hand is to this day one of my all time favorite games, not just Sonic games, but games in general. The flow of the level design is just so fun and buttery smooth! I'll never forget playing Chemical Plant for the first time as a kid and the feeling of pure adrenaline as I rocketed through the stage! Pure joy! Plus, we also got Tails, one of my favorite characters! ^^

    • @johncruelty20
      @johncruelty20 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I adore CD, and Sonic 2 is pretty good too. I just prefer the exploration in CD, but hey that’s why I adore 3&K as a mix of all

    • @Murdercide626
      @Murdercide626 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johncruelty20 That's fair. I just personally don't care for CD.

    • @johncruelty20
      @johncruelty20 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Murdercide626 I understand the criticism 4 sure, for me CD is like junk food: you know there’s probably better options but you don’t care anyways

    • @dragvrallass1658
      @dragvrallass1658 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johncruelty20 Really not, there's clear problems (wacky workbench and metal madness 2 mainly) but saying it's junk food when the music, the graphics , the intro and end cutscense are stellar is just an insult.

    • @johncruelty20
      @johncruelty20 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dragvrallass1658 saying that in comparison to say, 3&K but you are indeed correct.

  • @yungladrizzithan3964
    @yungladrizzithan3964 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey! There was a track that played briefly at 0:17 in the video. Anyone know where that's from?

    • @Dboi_P
      @Dboi_P 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's Seascape from Knuckles' Chaotix

  • @Rationalific
    @Rationalific ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool video! I liked hearing about the history as well as your thoughts on these fantastic games!

  • @SN64YT
    @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว

    I see you are a fan of comedy, and I like it and your choice of comedy. :)
    Some of them even made me chuckle which Knuckles said he doesn't do in Sonic Adventure but I think he had lied about that.
    I agree with your special stage thoughts on Sonic 2. I actually tried to just quit and just restart until I got it in the mobile remakes, and even used save states until I got the emerald too.
    I actually didn't completed Sonic CD yet, because I wanted to get the true ending and kept failing in the 1st special stage and have to retry, but I might end up just doing that before Sonic Origins comes out I guess.
    Studio Junio should go actually do another sonic animation in a new sonic game. :)
    That would be very pogg :>>> if Sega hired them for that though.
    Though really like the video and might even watch more some other time. :)
    Solid video, my good content creator on TH-cam.
    This is like a higher subscriber count video, and it is a wonder why you have like 3K subscribers, but still, good work and this is one of the things the TH-cam recommended system does right, and pretty well done video though. I can see more Sonic content coming soon from this channel so I will stay tuned. :)
    I think you made me want to like and subscribe to your channel though. :)
    (plus adding it to my videos I thought were interesting 3 playlist too :) )
    (Of course I will ring that bell silly, I always do it whenever I do it on subscribing on TH-cam)

  • @LITTLE1994
    @LITTLE1994 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The same way that happened with Super Mario Bros's first sequel.

    • @SN64YT
      @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, pretty coincidental for sonic pretty much hehe :)

  • @daletaco475
    @daletaco475 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the concept of time travel in a sonic game, but the level design makes it near impossible sometimes in sonic cd. I hard a really hard time finding a place to go fast enough, and maintain that speed in collision chaos. I had an even harder time in the level after that which wouldn't you know is a water level. I also love Metal Sonic, but I hate that he always gets the short end of the stick when it comes to screen time.

  • @sabishiihito
    @sabishiihito ปีที่แล้ว

    Quartz Quadrant is the best past theme by far, massive props for using it as the example

  • @Dan_K_Meme
    @Dan_K_Meme ปีที่แล้ว

    You deserve WAY more subscribers. Keep it up

  • @TheEarthRealm
    @TheEarthRealm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    18:45 Pffft! He don't love her 😂

    • @Hazodaki
      @Hazodaki หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh really? Go to the youtube search bar and search up “Sonamy lines sonic frontiers.” Trust me.

  • @JJ_TheGreat
    @JJ_TheGreat ปีที่แล้ว +4

    4:42 So when did Knuckles The Echidna come along? I always enjoyed playing Sonic & Knuckles (and Sonic 3 & Knuckles) as Knuckles when I was a kid! He was my favorite character because of his ability to fly and climb walls. Also, I always thought that the game was so much easier with Knuckles, as he didn’t have to go to the Doomsday Sone - he had an easy Hidden Palace Zone and other levels, in comparison to Sonic (& Tails). But I know that I can play as Knuckles in Sonic 2, by locking on the Sonic 2 cartridge to Sonic & Knuckles, so obviously the idea for Knuckles must have been around when Sonic 2 came out, right?

    • @TizerisT.
      @TizerisT. ปีที่แล้ว +1

      he came in sonic 3. hes only in sonic 2 by slotting cartridges together

    • @JJ_TheGreat
      @JJ_TheGreat ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TizerisT. Gotcha. So he is only in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, then?

    • @TizerisT.
      @TizerisT. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JJ_TheGreat in the main series, yeah

    • @stapler942
      @stapler942 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So after looking up some of the details: interestingly enough, the Sonic & Knuckles cart actually contains a separate ROM with the full modified code for Sonic 2. Sonic is replaced by Knuckles, there's some new graphics data for Knuckles and some stuff added to the level data for places only Knuckles can reach.
      When the S&K cart is booted with another cart attached it checks for the serial number of Sonic 2. If found, it loads the game from this modified ROM, and the only code executed from the actual Sonic 2 cart is the sound driver.

    • @_.-h-_.
      @_.-h-_. หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@stapler942Wow! That is some interesting info that I'm just figuring out from your comment. I'm surprised no one else has found this interesting after a year of this comment being around. Maybe other people already knew...oh well. Nice comment though.

  • @theonlybilge
    @theonlybilge ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that the nature and techmology theme gets expanded in CD, the good futures consistently show a stable blending and mutualism between techmology and nature.

  • @briangans575
    @briangans575 ปีที่แล้ว

    pretty good video, keep it up Kiro

  • @omnispork12
    @omnispork12 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I wouldn't call silver a rival because sonic literally only fights him once and they barely interact in the game and the first fight you have with johnny is near the end of the game so wouldn't call him a rival but you can call them rivals if you want i don't really care

  • @spicysquire3521
    @spicysquire3521 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2:45 that's... an unfortunate acronym

    • @Hazodaki
      @Hazodaki หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don’t get it…

  • @emilianotorres7795
    @emilianotorres7795 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:08
    Narrator: Let me educate you guys.
    Me: I am not a noob bro I played the games for 31 years.

  • @WumBuh17
    @WumBuh17 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just stumbled upon this video. I am definitely going to subscribe!!! Great stuff!

  • @vitaliydubkov4008
    @vitaliydubkov4008 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For me Sonic CD have 2 big problems that only add 1 to another - time travel mechanic and unpolished level layouts. The sme time travel mechanic could be achived much easier in Sonic 2, because it simply have better stage maps.

    • @deadturret4049
      @deadturret4049 ปีที่แล้ว

      The time travel wasnt even that bad, but the future signs were literally pointless. They should have skipped the future levels and spent more time polishing the past and present levels,

  • @AkaObbies
    @AkaObbies ปีที่แล้ว +3

    then they both became canon lol

  • @RedPanda64YT
    @RedPanda64YT 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Timestamp:
    Intro - 0:00
    Sonic the hedgehog 2 (America) - 1:37
    Sonic the hedgehog CD (Japan) - 6:53

  • @coutamaxplayer538
    @coutamaxplayer538 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nobody: him: casually filling the videogame top 5 with sonic games

  • @TheBubmarch
    @TheBubmarch 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ngl Japanese Sonic CD is kinda horrifying because Majin and Game Over

    • @TomaxY9YT
      @TomaxY9YT 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No

    • @Mason4Life
      @Mason4Life 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😐

  • @joldup
    @joldup ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you remember the old thumbnail
    👇

  • @trevg.964
    @trevg.964 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video! I personally enjoy the US and Jpn soundtracks equally. I also think Sonic CD has great level design. But in the end, I love both Sonic 2 and Sonic CD, and enjoyed your vid. Subscribed!

  • @JJ_TheGreat
    @JJ_TheGreat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:25 And I love the blue sphere zones in Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic 3 & Knuckles - and also Sonic Mania (but they are only bonus stages, not special stages - so you are not seeking out the Chaos Emeralds in Mania).