Avatar The Last Airbender Episode 18 Group Reaction | The Waterbending Master
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Avatar The Last Airbender Episode 18 Group Reaction | The Waterbending Master
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Technically, Sokka isn't lying, his father is the chief of the southern Water Tribe, so while the Water Tribes don't have a traditional monarchy, he is the closest thing to a prince the Sountern Tribe has.
BTW, for the finale, I really think you should watch both episodes in one go.
I agree!
A shame we're getting these like a month after they were recorded...
I thought there were multiple smaller tribes in the Southern Water Tribe, so Hakoda is the chief of Sokka and Karara's village while there are several other chiefs of different villages... or am I mistaken?
@@QuackAttack According to the official Avatar TTRPG book, there's only two tribes, but their cultures are VASTLY different due to how far apart they are.
The southern water tribe is somewhat of a military democracy.
Katara's "my apologies, prince Sokka" still kills me every time, though.
I think details like the water tribe marrying age being 16 and the sexist discrimination in the northern tribe shows how dedicated the writers were to representing ancient cultures, even the parts that don't conform to our modern morality. It makes the show's world feel so much more authentic. I also think it was very important that Katara loses that fight, shows today would just have the girl boss defeat the master first try, which they think is empowering to women, but in reality it's condescending to the struggles real women face by making the solution seem easy. So having the conflict be resolved by getting to the emotional core why Paku feels the way he does, instead of just kicking his butt, I think is incredibly mature story-telling.
Plus, when someone can beat another in a fight, there's never a reason for them to be looking for a teacher. Because why look for a teacher if you know it already? If you're already greater than the master you don't need them. Katara is not, she is very untrained and not a self-taught prodigy.
Indeed
The bigg problem is that they then spit on the culture part when Paku trains Katara.
In reallity he shoud have been banished for his actions and that woud be the reason why him and a few others will go to the southern pole.
One guy training a girl wont change an entire culture overnight.
I respectfully saw this very differently. Although I do believe they writers displayed a reflection of ancient cultures and traditionalists that part is true. I don’t consider the opposition to sexism to necessarily be “modern morality” - my mother was able to seek higher education in Africa almost sixty years ago and they were people that both questioned and supported it, that central question has been talked over for quite a while. That said, Katara challenging Pakku to me wasn’t “girl bossing” - Katara made it clear to Sokka she knows she isn’t gonna win and doesn’t care. The point of her challenging Pakku was how she was tired of having someone define her limitations over and over again - something that, say, any person from any sort of marginalized group from any time period can relate to. The part, if any, that may possibly be “empowering” to women (not speaking for women, to be clear) is the fact that Katara was gonna stand up to him regardless of the outcome, to do it for every person watching them and seeing her talent. Not to mention it isn’t always practical to hold onto such views in a war. My family came from a conflict in the Horn of Africa and they did have women pick up arms sometimes. Why? Because they are literally fighting for their lives and sustaining old traditions doesn’t help if they are conquered or dead. And yes obviously she wasn’t likely to defeat a master right off the bat because she wasn’t as trained and, like other commenters said, it defeats the purpose of training with him. Finally, I personally think the ending still came off pretty sexist - he acknowledged her talent, still refused to train her, defeated her in battle. But the thing that “softened” his heart was the betrothal necklace to Kanna? He didn’t have a change of heart, he started helping because of how it may help Kanna and he hasn’t gotten over her. Show me how he acts about the NEXT girl in the tribe that says she wants to waterbend instead of healing and we will see if he changed his mind. Just my thoughts…
@@zhabtemavery fair! It’s important to both recognize how a show does better than its contemporaries as well as how it’s still flawed.
“Being a healer is a thankless job.”
As a healer main for over a decade, this is very true 😂
As main healer for years and a professional nurse.... I will scream a big YEP.
About the lack of battle damage in the Air Temples: I imagine it's the result of the differences between real world warfare and avatar world warfare. The fire nation basically fights with "flamethrowers" and those temples are mostly made of non-flammable stone.
Also, 100 years have passed, and people have begun to live there. So they probably didn’t want to live in ruins and adapted and repaired the temple.
Also, the way the airbenders would fight is very agile/acrobatic. In the sky or at least an open area. They wouldn't want to hunker down in their temple. They would probably do the bulk of their fighting away from the temple.
@@user-fd5nz5lo7m| From what little we know of him (clever, unorthodox, enjoys trickery) I'd say something like that is likely.
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth Also seems fitting for a culture that emphasizes pacifism. He did fight back and took their lives, but only at the cost of his own.
also the airbenders werent violent and had little to no technology to fight back with it. it wasnt a battle because it was a slaughter
4:44 I like how he introduces Sokka and Katara before the avatar. Man putting some respect on his fellow water tribals.
It really makes me laugh that Pakku didn't start teaching Katara because he suddenly realized women can fight, but because of nepotism lol
In the comics he is also teaching two little girls, so it might have started out as nepotism but seeing how skilled Katara was opened him to teaching other girls in the future.
@@baileycox6847 I'm glad, though it's still funny to me how the message of this episode could be seen as 'nepotism always wins' lol
Well in a way this is like a reminder to him. Traditions drew the girl he loved away. And now her granddaughter is here and fights against the traditions.
Nepotism? That doesn’t make much sense to me. Why would he feel more obligated to teach someone after finding out they are descended from the woman who left him and the guy she ended up with instead? It also wasn’t that he just *realized* women can fight. He realized the reason she left was because their traditions were too rigid for her and that he might have actually had a chance with her if the marriage wasn’t arranged. The traditions cost him the love of his life.
bro does NOT know what nepotism is lmaooo
Something I never really noticed until someone pointed it out to me is that Zuko survives his ship exploding because he makes an orb of fire around himself as a shield, and you can actually see it if you look at that part slowed down. Back when the show was still getting reruns on TV I never understood how he got out.
That’s the ONE thing I always noticed. What I never noticed til today was how when he says his swords were antiques, zhao checks the sharpness bc antiques are dull
@@joelmorgan-bullock237 na Azula does the same thing later
This is one of the episodes that makes me love Katara as a main female character. She struggles to learn waterbending, she's flawed and jealous of aang's natural abilities, she forgives his accident when he burns her, forgives him when he lies to her about her father, she acts motherly as needed despite her age, and most of all, she's not afraid to call out other peoples bullshit.
This fight was just the frosting on an already well baked cake.
I also love that the show doesnt really feel like katara is just the "emotional woman". I feel like her anger and emotions are usually pretty justified.
Maybe im bias but i think katara never feels like a stereotype. even though they do poke at that point, I think thats more of a generalization of how people perceive her rather than how she was written.
The best part of this is that him changing his mind makes sense. It wasn't just "oh, you're talented, I'll break the rules for you." It was because he got a stark reminder of what those traditions had cost himself personally, and it made him rethink what was really important.
@@Gatekid3 What I hate about the fandom is that that's what they constantly try to make her out to be, especially with the over-exaggerated meme with her mother. She's gets way too much crap from the fandom if you ask me
Another episode that makes me truly respect her is when they lost Appa. The group was at one of their lowest points and she kept everyone together
@@ashhabimran239 I dont think the fandom gives her that much of a hard time. The only post i saw undervaluing Katara's depth or character was heavily pushed back against.
What I love about the Northern Water Tribe's sexism, is that it was not out of nowhere! The Water Tribes both have this sort of mentality, we even saw this in Sokka when told Katara sexist things and him underestimating the Kyoshi warriors. The Southern Water Tribe is missing all their men, so Sokka is a big example of what the men were or at least, what he thought was good. The Northern Water Tribe is thriving more so it has a lot of time to be more and more stuck in their ways. So, when you first see this episode, it'll be shocking for Pakku to say it outright, but not surprising by any means
You mixed up North and South tho...
Katara and Sokka are from the South and this episode takes place in the North.
@@TEG13 OOPS! My b, I'll fix that!
This is actually wrong bc we know the south had women that fought in the war its mainly why they only had elders and children. Sokka being a little sexist could honestly just be bc he had no father and mother figure. This is backed when the men from the southern water tribe are shown to have no problem fighting with women later on
It is and it isn't out of nowhere...
Until about a century ago, throughout all of human history, women DID NOT fight in wars. When you consider that bending is essentially the pinnacle of combat, not only is it not surprising that women are not taught bending, it makes perfect sense, and we even see WHY the tradition exists later... Remember Katara's mom? Why was she killed? Because the Fire Nation thought she was a BENDER... AKA, a combatant. The Southern Water Tribe women were slaughtered and captured because THEY allowed their women to fight. The norther water tribe women were non-combatants, and thus the Fire Nation has no reason to slaughter them (aside from wiping out the Avatar's next incarnation?)
So yeah, it's sexist to not allow women to fight... Or women are privileged because they don't get used as fodder in war like men do... Depends on how you look at it.
Really, boiling this down to "muh sexism" is radically bigoted when you look at the historical parallels... We're just taught as kids in our culture that men and women are the same, and any culture that disagrees is "bad." I reacted like everyone else when I first saw this episode, but now... Katara STILL kicks ass, and that dude was an a-hole!
@@davidtucker9498 I could be misunderstanding you, but it sounds like you're saying that because the southern water tribe allowed the women in their tribe to fight they were slaughtered and captured. I interpreted this as: "Their women should never have been taught to fight so that they'd be safe from the fire nation." And that's just bs. And then the following: "The norther water tribe women were non-combatants, and thus the Fire Nation has no reason to slaughter them (aside from wiping out the Avatar's next incarnation?)". Do you really think that the Fire Nation cares about whether their targets are men or women? They genocided the entirety of the air nomads and their tribes, which includes the women. They do not pick and choose their targets based on gender. /notmad /genquestion (/notmad is a tone indicator that means I am not mad. /genquestion is a tone indicator that means I am asking a genuine question).
Imo, I don't think Gran Gran really hated Paku because why else would she pass the necklace down to her daughter? If she truly hated him she would've lost it, left it or destroyed it. I think she just didn't love him to marry him and hated following the customs of the Northern Water Tribe🤷♀️
Fair enough
there could be many explanations, naybe it was the only thing that belonged home that she had when she left and the nostalgia won out to whatever feelings she might have had towards the guy, maybe it is true that she didn't exactly hated him she just didn't fuck with the vibes, whatever it was she felt towards him she has probably made peace with it
@@tracim3080 That's the point I'm getting at. When she was young, she probably had a few reasons for leaving and I suspect one of them was she did not love Pakku at the time, but didn't hate him either. Obviously that changed.
its likely gran gran did actually love him, but most likely couldnt handle the sexism of either pakku or the northern water tribe (or both), since in the comics, they end up getting married after the war
Air Benders are nomads. The monks live on the temples but the rest needed to be hunted because they're very much scattered.
And since they're pacifists, there's a good chance many of them would have surrendered, unaware of the Fire Nation's intentions. The fact that we only see one or two airbender skeletons implies the Fire Nation very likely pretended they were simply imprisoning the airbenders, and took them elsewhere for execution.
Also, a bunch of them eventually hid out in the other nations, quit practicing airbending, and eventually their descendants lost the ability, and even the knowledge of their ancestry. Which is honestly very sad.
@@hopejaworski9097 their drscendants also lost their spiritual side which lost their bending
@@hopejaworski9097 I totally forgot about this and was wondering, if they were nomads, there must have been many that were never caught somehow. Pretending to be nonbenders and eventually not having to pretend anymore since they lost the ability would be perfect cover but yes that’s tragic turning your back on such a sacred and inherent part of you to survive
@@ephemereauxits a fairly popular fan theory that Tai Lee was descended from the air nation
Can we acknowledge how Kanna travelled from the north pole all the way to the south pole, by herself, during a war? Gran-Gran got guts :v
The first temple they went to looked untouched
The piles of bodies: do we mean nothing to you
The southern tribe was mostly destroyed by the fire nation. What we see is only what remains of them. The northern tribe held them off. So, as people do in desperate times, they threw out stuff like not letting women waterbend, because obviously, you need every person you have. Even so, they grew too weak as they lost their benders.
also keep in mind all the men left to go fight it mostly the elderly the children woman and sokka
Never thought about it as a kid, but the ban on women learning to waterbend absolutely makes sense.
Consider this: Historically, why were women not allowed to be soldiers?
Because that would be IDIOTIC! Now granted, female benders are just as or nearly just as effective benders, unlike female soldiers, who would be cut down en mass, but the bigger reason not to have female combatants is simple: You need your population to bounce back after a war... How many women you have left alive determines the max amount of kids the next generation can have. You can afford to lose a ton of men, you can't afford to lose the women.
Furthermore, consider the situation in Avatar. Benders are ALWAYS dangerous. The fire nation KILLED Katara's mother because they thought she was a bender. If the Northern Water Tribe had their female benders become warriors, then that means that ALL women are potential threats, and the Fire nation will SLAUGHTER THEM...
Keeping the women as healers only protects them during times of war. It's extremely sound and logical.
@@davidtucker9498 I gotta disagree here.
The fire nation was killing and capturing all benders regardless of their role in society or how good they were at bending.
Just look at how the earth benders were secluded on that boat or how Hama was restrained in jail.
Healers still have the potential to learn how to fight and therefore are as much of a threat as any soldier as far as the fire nation would be concerned.
I imagine the discovery of bloodbending only made the fire nation double down on that too.
By keeping healers from possessing the knowledge to fight, the northern water tribe is really just weakening their defenses.
It makes no sense to protect people by removing their ability to protect themselves too or step up if they need to.
They probably didn't let men learn how to heal either which is equally as idiotic. If you have the ability to learn and do something to help your people, why in the world would you ever restrict that if you're going to die or get kidnapped regardless? It's just shooting yourself in the foot
honestly the northern and southern waterbenders had the same thing of the men fight and the women stay home safe just since the northern tribe had more benders now it included women dont learn to use there water bending to fight but use it to heal those at home.
Oh maybe it was the norm? Aang was suprised to find out women don't learn to fight.
The scene where aang wasn't going to learn from pakku cause of katara and her making him learn from pakku is parallel to when katara was going to go with aang in the first ep but aang made her stay with her family
That a nice scene
One big difference between the southern watertribe & the northern watertribe besides the lack of waterbenders is that the northern watertribe seems to have pretty much stayed out of the war, while Katara & Sokka's father and the rest of the men from the southern watertribe have gone off to fight.
Found it odd how the healing class was portrayed mainly as younger girls. I feel like the overall task of medical attention would still get really complicated if a person was actually devoted to being an all-round doctor or surgeon, even with the convenience of a power that heals flesh and tissue really quickly. There must be advanced classes and Katara only went to the beginners to start with.
Either that, or the high-level healing is practiced specifically in the military, and the students we see here are the ones too young to serve.
Or the use of waterbending to heal simplifies it a lot, so the classes are mainly about teaching anatomy and how waterbending heals different kinds of tissue and different parts of the body. Probably not able to cure diseases, illnesses, fight viruses, etc. Like healing trauma wounds only. Compared to the training for a doctor in our world, it seems very much dumbed-down, but it works well for them and means that you can learn it all as a young kid and then just practice and refine it as you get older.
Well she was a beginner at healing so....
20:02 It only takes up 4 or 5 frames but you can actually see Zuko bending the fire from the explosion around him
Did anyone else's video corrupt horribly at 27:55 ?
Thank you I mean seriously why is no one else talking about this
Sokka finds out she's engaged
That's rough Buddy
😂😂😂
I love this même
I think beacause the southern Water Tribe is smaller, it's s why they can't afford to have the women be excluded like the North.
the war with the fire nations is very ww2 inspired as we see the men left to fight so the woman have
to do what was typically seen as a man job
more like the inverse order, losing womens on the front line is probably one of the reasons to the decline of the southern tribes (this and how they stick to the more tribal decentralized "government" instead morphing in a pseudo-monarchy under a stronger centralized body like the north)
its because all their benders got taken away anyways lmfao
the fight between katara and pakku was what made me fully become in love with her character. it also was incredible animation
Sound and picture issues around the 28 minute mark.
I knew I wasn’t trippin lol
Ah, so it’s not my internets fault. Thank you.
Cool not just me.
that currupted part of the video is trippy af lmao
Is the video messing up for anyone else from like 27:50 to the end?
Yes
I didn’t see Pakku refusing to teach Katara having anything to do with Katara’s gender in general but because of societal rules in particular. I don’t think he personally cared if he taught her or not. But he’s a social leader, he cannot go violating social norms just because he doesn’t agree with them. But seeing the necklace reminded him about how social norms has screwed him over long ago. That combined with him being impressed with Katara’s skills got him to really reconsider and not just stop at the rules. What I think is more important is because Pakku is a social leader, he is a position to change social norms. Katara may have ultimately fought him because she was stubbornly pissed off, but it will likely lead to positive change for Northern Water Tribe society. That’s the way I see it anyway.
I hear what you mean, but I disagree. That would be more likely if Pakku hadn’t been making snide comments to Katara this whole time, constantly calling her “little girl” and “go back to the healers.” He clearly feels his own negative way about Katara and thinks little of her. Also they went to the council to ask them to help appeal Pakku, but the members don’t explicitly reinforce the policy on women or even mention it, they just say maybe if you apologize he may do so. The Council would have the ability to actually change tradition, especially to help the avatar, but they pretty much stay out of it. As for Pakku changing his mind, it was not because of Katara’s ability - we know this because he admitted he was impressed during battle and when Katara asked again, he still said no. He ultimately changed his mind because of the betrothal necklace, which “should” be romantic but in reality speaks more to special connections as opposed to her actual ability.
To me when i first watched this series it seemed to me that Sokka and Katara were from a small village in the southern water tribe, but when the gang went to the north pole they basically went to the northern tribe's capital city. There is still the obvious reasons why it's so much more vast in the north than the south but that starts getting into spoilers territory.
This was one of my all time favorite parts of the series
“His dick didn’t get to waterbend” what ?! Dude in the middle killed man 😂😂😂😂 hurt my stomach for like 30secs
Appa definitely looks like a kiju to anyone who doesn’t know him
Really Sokka just needed to play the Prince card (his dad is the Chief)
Ah yes, this episode was great, and although we didn't had the rules per se, I believe there's some hints as of the water tribes being at least a bit sexist in Sokka and how he spoke about girls previous to meeting Suki in Kyoshi Island.
What's great about ATLA is that it has a very well planned worldbuilding, so there's answers for a lot of the questions you ask yourself when watching the episodes.
The video is corrupted/bugging out after 27:56 ~
I think it gets fixed 29:09
Sexism is actually a common failing of the water tribes. If you remember, Sokka showed signs of sexism earlier in the season.
Also, in the episode 1 intro, Katara says that her dad and the MEN of her tribe left to help fight the war.
@@johnthedork723 I mean, that part is pretty reasonable. If you don't have bending (gone from everyone but Katara at this point), and you don't have guns - it makes sense to keep the women safe away from the combat. They're really not gonna help all that much in a mainly melee battle.
Regarding the conversation at around 9:00 the comics reveal that some Airbenders did mange to escape the initial genocide. Sozin then set a trap where using stolen Air Nomad relics they would set up safe houses in high mountain areas to give the appearance of refugees living there, then use spies to spread rumors of these safe houses throughout the Earth Kingdom to lure them into the waiting arms of Fire Nation soldiers and their deaths.
Zuko is 17, Sokka is 16, Katara is 14, and Aang is 12 (or 112).
Not quite, Zuko is 16, Sokka is 15.
zuko is 16
I like the small details, like when Zuko says the swords are for decoration Zhao checks the blade. If they were decorative they wouldn’t be sharpened. I love how they show this, but don’t waste time spelling it out for the audience.
One thing to keep in mind is that Pakku always refers to the refusal to teach women combat waterbending as because of his culture. He never states it as a directly personal opinion. He recognizes that women can be capable of it, but their culture needed their efforts elsewhere for survival over the century of war. This is why his mind changes so "easily." If it was actually personal, he would've stood his ground, regardless of the facts.
I love the (probably way too) subtle reveal for why the fire master from a few episodes ago thought that healing was a rare ability for water benders to have. He would have only met male water benders and they are only taught to fight and not heal (which is absurdly stupid, but that fits sexism), so only a few really skilled male water benders would also learn that ability, breaking the gender norm.
The firebenders didnt throw a comet, they used the comet while it was passing by to gain more power the same comet is passing by in this era , 100 years later, and the watertribe withdraw power from the moon
Regarding the air temples remaining unscathed after the attack, it's due to the fact that the air nomads lacked formal combat training. Being monks, they highly valued life, which likely resulted in their inability to defend against the firebenders. If you plan to watch "Korra," you'll find out about how Monk Gyatso took down a group of firebenders, sacrificing himself in the process.
It's interesting how we see all the benders as male (on the boats, in the city, Pakku's pupils) but we don't recognize anything unusual with that in the first. Imagine the other way around I'm sure some of us would think "Hold up why they all female?"
We're used to think of men as the default gender.
It's not about being a default gender. It's about men being default laborers and soldiers, and there's a reason for that.
4:01 I recently learned in the Avatar official channel's podcast that the melody of the song "Four Seasons" was originally intended to be the courtship melody/track for Sokka and Yue. You can hear it pick up again at 14:58 when Sokka starts talking to her more comfortably and more confidently asks her on a date.
As sweet as she is, I still think Suki is a better partner for him. I guess Yue was supposed to be a crush based on a more superficial attraction and the relationship didn't last very long. Sokka was immediately drawn to her just from seeing how beautiful she was; she was already betrothed and I think she started to like him because he wasn't chosen for her, and because his goofiness and sincerity were a breath of fresh air for her in a society where she was expected to marry for status that she didn't get a say in. Their relationship opened up Sokka's maturity as a boyfriend for Suki, though, because he handled himself with more decorum towards her because of her status as a princess.
I prefer the dynamic Sokka has with Suki. It wasn't the MOST healthy that they met by her attacking him, and then he ridiculed her and acted sexist towards her by scoffing at her abilities as a warrior. However, it was admirable of him to return to her after she served him a big slice of Humble Pie, and asked her to teach him how to fight. I argue that Suki made him a better person and a better warrior. Yue helped him show his sweeter side, and once he reunited with Suki he was able to do that with her.
Essentially, Yue taught Sokka how to treat his girlfriend like a lady and how to pine after the one he loves. She showed him how to be more romantic and "softer." Suki taught him how to respect a girl and view her as a multifaceted human being. She showed him how to treat her as an equal to himself, and how to view her as a partner in both life/love and on the battlefield. His relationship with Suki took the most time to develop and it didn't start based on pure physical attraction. They went through their bumps and rough patches, but stuck through it anyway. He had time away from her after their initial meeting to develop himself, and then their relationship continued to grow platonically as much as it did romantically. You can really tell that Suki isn't just Sokka's girlfriend, she's also his best friend.
I think the Air Temples are still intact because the Airbenders were massacred-it wasn’t a battle. They were pacifists and possibly wouldn’t have fought back, only tried to run away or evade attacks. That might also be why there’s few skeletons seen around, they probably fell off the cliffsides trying to fly away or as someone else mentioned were taken to be killed elsewhere (and the ones inside the temple those refugees were staying in would have been cleared out obvs). We see Monk Gyatso bc he very likely suffocated everyone in the room and no one had visited that temple since the genocide took place
There were definitely signs of a Fire Nation attack at the Southern Air Temple, remember all the scattered Fire Nation Armor and Monk Gyatso's corpse?
It's true that there isn't a lot of scorch marks or anything, but then again, the Fire Nation's attack was specifically to wipe out the airbenders, not to blow their temples off their respective mountains/destroy their culture, the focus was on the people themselves because one of them's supposed to be the Avatar
Boom: " is gonna be the teacher man "
Every fiber of rage in body: " BOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!! "
To give you a proper answer. Most air temples are usually stopping point for monks. Gotta remember they are air nomads, they are usually out traveling. Only kids and in labor nuns, and care givers are at temples. Striking most temples, the fire nation killed the few masters and children and in the comics it showed that traps were set through out the world to lore in airbenders to different holy sites places with airbender relics.
The lucky few (my own interpretation) would marry into other nations (aside from fire, fire nation nomads were killed on spot) and suppressed their spirituality and bending hence the death of all airbenders and to the culture for those that did manage to survive.
Lets try and remember that Paku himself necessarily dont hate women or anything like that, but this is the culture he was raised in and that been the norm for his tribe for centuries and centuries and that this was the case with gender roles in certain things all over the world and in some parts of the modern world still is.
27:56 what happened?
"This man has no game"
Avatar Community: Sokka is the OG backbender
im slightly turned off by them calling him a shrimp dick and the sort, like yea its their culture,m its their way of seeing and doing things, and it isnt easy to see things in a different perspective from something so rooted. Man felt that they disrespected (which they did in a waya) his culture. Even tho that culture is restrictive 1 as i said they dont have someone to constantly challenge them on their perspective for them to change their mind, 2 strange as that sounds i dont think that restriction comes from malice, i take it as a, "we should protect women, since they arent capable of protecting themselves" kinda deal, like if they banned women from the military, which there must be lik a 95% men, idk it is sextist in the literal definition but dosent come out of malice, thats why i dont agree with them thinking Paku is a huge dick, apart from his grumpy demeanor, Yue and literally everyone else believes the same as him
apart from that good vid
did you guys screen glitch at 28:10 too? like wtf
Did the video stop working at 27:57 for anyone else?
Yes
I never really thought about the fact that even though the Southern Water Tribe is small, since their Dad is technically the leader that WOULD pretty much make Sakka the Prince of the South lol
This comet is the last one they need. There are 4 air temples, 1 in each direction and that was the beginning of the war. The Earth Kingdom is mostly conquered and they really just need the North Pole
It was speculated that the air nomads were first hit with the comit but were slowly taken out during the course of the last 100 years
I’m sure others have said it better than I could, but I think both the southern and northern water tribes adhere to patriarchal roles, just with some slight variation. Think back to the beginning of season 1, the “men” (aka Sokka and a bunch of little boys) were the “warriors.” Sokka also started the season with a lot of sexist beliefs. He obviously learned that from somewhere.
The casual sexism of the Northern Water Tribe makes is better explained when put into the context of literal hundred year war. There's fighting, there are casualties, and while men dying is terrible, women dying is both a present and future loss in the form of children they'll never have. Presuming bending runs in bloodlines, every woman killed or captured on the battlefield is somewhere between two and six less future benders to keep up the fight, and who knows how many more descendants.
Doesn't make it right, necessarily, but it does make it make more sense.
This is one of the darkest and best part of the show
And by partes I mean arcs
The reason why the air temples aren't blown to bits is because 1. Firebenders (generally) can't create explosions, just fire. 2. Fan-theories based on the actual history of the development of gunpowder in real life gives very strong and reasonable explanations as to why gunpowder exists in the world of Avatar but isn't used in large scale until much later on in the timeline (I.E the comics and Legend of Korra). It's because for the Fire Nation, who are the ones with the greatest access to the ingredients needed to make gunpowder, the ability to firebend is simply more efficient than using gunpowder at this stage of the historical development of gunpowder. So the war-motivated Fire Nation wouldn't see reason to waste their time and resources on furthering the development of gunpowder, even though we know from our world that that would lead to the invention of bombs and guns. And 3. If I remember right gunpowder was invented in avatar Roku's time at first, so even if that reality-based fan-theory is false gunpowder probably hadn't become widespread enough to be used large-scale by the military by the time of the sacking of the Air Temples anyways, considering how it still isn't used that much 100 years later.
Finally where close to the boulder 😂
That isn’t for a while isn’t it ?
The Boulder is excited to show off his pects and his unmatched charisma!
Love that guy lmao!
@@painvillegaming4119 it's within 10 episode
@@SMashborn I meant considering the length of the show it 1/6
@@painvillegaming4119 time flies by 😂 we won't realize it but we'll eventually get there
If no one noticed it, zuko saved himself by doing a fire shield to protect himself from the blast. Also aang is 12 zuko is 16 sakka is 15 or 16 and katara is 14.
After 18 episodes we finally made it to the other side: The North Pole. The city once again shows how bending blends with the architecture, just like Earthbending did with Omashu, but the North Pole looking almost Venice-like given their use of canals (the same way Water Seven was inspired by Venice). But while Aang's search for a teacher is the key purpose, this episode belongs to the Water Tribe siblings.
Sokka pulls off his awkward charisma to court Princess Yue, the chieftain's daughter, and while we laugh that his methods are often embarrassing, they also work. But Katara takes center stage by standing her ground against traditionalist sexist waterbending master Pakku. The fight between the two is great, with Katara showing how far she's come since the first episode to force Pakku into taking the fight more seriously than when he started, concluding in an unlikely connection between the two that leads into his U-turn to teach both Aang and Katara.
But bad things have to be lurking in the distance; Zhao is preparing invasion, and attempts to assassinate Zuko - knowing now he's the Blue Spirit - via the Pirates we met in the Waterbending Scroll episode. It's all connecting together, but Zuko is harder to kill than Zhao imagines, and Iroh knows how to play a long con.
I don't think you should critize or try to change someones culture as an outsider. It's not your culture.
Even though it feels wrong.
Just wanted to add that I also think everybody should be allowed to do everything( as long as it is not harmful to others). But it is not my right to change someine elses culture to suit me.
Yeah, but sexism is harmful
@@timrosswood4259 sorry that i didn't add that. I don't think it's right to discrimate like that. You're absolutely right.
@@timrosswood4259 It was barely sexism at all, grow up.
@@maxdrags3115how the fuck is it not sexism?
The air nomads were well nomads meaning they probably traveled through each of the air temples so they could’ve been wiped out outside of the temples
First time to this channel, but round of applause for the guy in the middle. If your culture infringes on the rights of others, honestly eff it.
Late to the playlist but going through fast! Wanted to answer your question; the airbenders were Nomadic Pacifists. They likely surrendered in the name of peace and were eradicated for it, those who couldn’t bend but were part of the tribe would have moved on.
Katara's fight with Pakku is so peak of season 1 with the animation~ 👏
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you should know that in these isolated tribes , protecting women from harm was not about sexism but survival . without women they could go extinct . That character is sexist yes, and we know why , he was hurt by katara's granma and now he has a beef with all women, but before trashing a culture know its origins . not long ago the USA didn't allow women to even have a bank account , try to understand why first , economically speaking before crying sexism .
3:03 we havent been many places yet anyway, the world gets much bigger as the series goes on and more landmarks are explored
My headcanon is that nobody else in the tribe even really cared about the "girls can't learn waterbending custom". Like it was an old rule on the books and he was the only one who actually took it seriously and made a deal out if it, but he was so important as the only master around that nobody wanted to call him out on it.
What happened to the end of the video? It was glitching like crazy.
also considering it took him only 2 days for pakku to change his ways hes kind of progressive and yeah its interesting that he wasnt actually sexist just a stickler for upholding his culture
22:40 I'm getting hooked to the lore you're making up of the show, honestly.
Look, im not defending sexism, but most 'sexist' traditions in our world began for logical reasons which were later twisted (more often then not by some religious organization) and i feel like here it's the exact same thing. Throughout all of Avatar both atla and lok i dont thing we every see a man that can heal and jongjong says that its a rare ability, so im pretty sure at first it was just that women had that amazing gift so they were cherished and as such protected from the frontlines, but eventually it just became a sexist thing where women are just prohibited from fighting since theyre seen as weaker or something of the sort
I love Katara with all my heart. Thanks for the reaction ❤️
You're looking at from a member of a society of hundreds of millions so losing a few women in war won't hurt society... but just imagine a society made of thousands losing 1 woman would be bad for everyone and if the society is only a few hundred it would be devastating.
That's irrelevant. Let the woman make the decision
@@SortaStupid Katara is not part of their society so teaching her should not have been a problem.
And if the societies collapses who has it help. The woman that made the decision... nope, the people around her... nope. As individuals we must think about what's best for ourselves and what's best for society. The bigger the society the more we can focus on ourselves but the smaller the society the more we need to focus on the whole.
dude at the bottom be thinking hard 😭
Okay, so the ages of the characters! Some characters have a precise age, while others have an estimated guess based on what we already know of them, just warning you now!
Katara: 14 years old
Sokka: 15 years old
Aang: 12/112 years old
Prince Zuko: 16 years old
Uncle Iroh: Between 45 and 65 years old
Admiral Zhao: Between 40 and 50 years old
Master Pakku: Between 76 and 86 years old
Nooooo! things are getting juicy and we must have to wait until next week like the old times XDDD
The first temple looked pretty much untouched, except for all the corpses laying around.
Also it is not like the Airbenders would all stay, and fight. As Bumi said, their specialty is evading
I think you forgot a bit, in the early episodes it's shown that the men left to fight in the war, and sokka had very sexist attitudes. So it's likely that the Southern Water Tribe had similar but less intense sexism, where women were allowed to learn water bending and where women didn't have arranged marriages, but they were still expected to be house-keepers. That said, I don't even think the South Pole even had healers, the South seemed much less organized and spiritual, with no obvious spirit oasis.
Erik was the only one who actually looked normal when video started glitching
Was the video corrupted at the second half for anyone else? It got real glitchy and silent for a good portion.
I don't know of you noticed, but one part of the video got damaged. It looks glitchy and there's almost no sound.
3:42 oh! I just noticed who's transporting her
6:47 heh nothing about the sunghi horn
19:48 notice notice
ah fair-- hard to notice
23:08 well there was some from Sokka-- like "girls are better at x, guys are better at yz, it's just the natural order of things"
28:09 so that's what parker was talking about-- as long as it showed up for _you_ , it's not a huge problem
(okay maybe I miss some of the commentary but I'll probably get the gist of your reaction)
Yep Aang’s temple was completely untouched. Except for you know the skeleton of his mentor that was surrounded by dead fire nation soldiers but other than that completely untouched.
2:00 Yes, how observant Ruff. That is in fact a dam.
I hate how ppl watch this and says he says fuck women. It’s mentioned multiple times that it’s a part of their culture.(not saying it right) but u don’t come to someone’s country/city and demand them to change years of what they call history based off your own morals and ethics. If u notice even the Chief said apologize which means they all uphold that standard. It’s not a personal attack
What I wouldn't give to see a five minute conversation between Pakku and Kyoshi
She'd make what she did to Chin look like a joke
Now i wonder what Pakku would've done if the avatar was female - would've he made an exception for the greater good and would've he been bitter about having to do that?
Also this raises the question if there's a precedent in the Northern water tribe for that, since all avatars had to learn waterbending somewhere - but it could've been that it's known that they're sexist assholes there, so female avatars would just go to learn to the Southern water tribe.
5:54 first they ship zuko and Katara now they say The back bender has no game they are 2 for 2 on L’s
20:57 Bear-fish? You know, in almost every other show that would make no sense, but in this one... 🤣🤣🤣
Idk, like Aang's home temple was literally full of corpses (as much as they could show for story telling purposes)
With talking about how the Air Temples don’t look all that damaged.. it Wasn’t a war. It was a first strike genocide. A couple of exceptional air bending Masters managed to do some crazy damage in defence (think Master Gyatzo and all of the fire nation soldiers he managed to take out with himself) but because of the comet they were quickly overtaken because the Air Bending Monks were pacifists. It wasn’t a war yet, at that point it was just a slaughter.
This never clicked before now but Zhao recruited the rest of the crew because he outranks all of them, but he can only offer Iroh to join because Zhao is an admiral, the highest rank in the Fire Nation Navy, while Iroh is a retired General, highest rank in the Fire Nation Army. Not only is Iroh retired but he is also the same rank as Zhao, so he can't order him to join by virtue of rank alone!!
nani no animi all i can say is as you watch the show remember the beginings cause things will get revealed as the show goes on
The last couple of minutes are a little glitchy.
Seeohknee is just constantly greened out
dang, video got corrupted at the end. hope it can be fixed some day?