Yuval Noah Harari explains why the world isn't fair (but could be) | GZERO World with Ian Bremmer
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- Author and historian Yuval Noah Harari discusses the foundational importance of storytelling in human society, the dangers of AI in shaping narratives, why the Ukraine war is the most important geopolitical conflict today, and the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian situation, emphasizing the potential of stories to both divide and unite.
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Content
0:26 - Intro: Yuval Noah Harari
3:49 - Harari’s childhood concerns & why people fight
7:16 - Humans' unique power to effect change - Harari.
9:03 - Harari: AI is taking power from humans
10:33 - AI: An existential threat to humanity?
13:06 - “social weapon of mass destruction" - Harari on AI
13:43 - AI: Dictator’s latest problem
15:08 - Russia-Ukraine War: A threat to the global order
17:01 - We could already be in WWIII - Harari
17:12 - The Israel-Palestine conflict & victimhood narrative
19:55 - Harari’s mind care routine & right to be stupid
In a wide-ranging conversation with Ian Bremmer, filmed live at the historic 92nd Street Y in NYC, bestselling author Yuval Noah Harari delves into the foundational role of storytelling in human civilization, the existential challenges posed by artificial intelligence, the geopolitical implications of the Ukraine war, and the most pressing questions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Harari argues that unlike other species, humans have thrived on their unique ability to construct and believe in shared stories, which has underpinned the formation of societies, governments, and laws. However, this same capability has led to wars, inequality, and exploitation. “Humans don't fight over territory and food,” Harari tells Bremmer. They fight over imaginary stories in their minds."
Harari and Ian discuss the current global crises, including the wars in Ukraine and Gaza, as moments where humanity's collaborative superpower appears to falter. On the Ukraine war, he says that the implications of a Russian victory would spell the end of the global order as we know it. "We could already be in the midst of World War III that started on the 24th of February 2022 with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and we just don't know it yet."
They discuss AI's emerging role in creating and disseminating stories, which represents a new frontier. Harari warns that AI could eventually dominate the world's narratives, making democracy untenable and posing unprecedented challenges to both autocracies and democracies alike. "For the first time in history, we are losing power as a species at a very rapid pace, and similarly, we are also losing control of the stories that we believe."
He also specifically addresses the critical situation in Israel, criticizing government attempts to undermine democratic institutions and pointing to an ideological battle that risks altering the essence of Judaism and Israeli identity. Harari also stresses the importance of reconciling support for Palestinian rights with the defense of Israel's existence, challenging the narrative that these positions are inherently contradictory.
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Nailed it "People fight over stories in their minds"
That's bullshit though.
Stories are usually a way to cover and explain the real reasons, which are ultimately the same as for animals.
Jerusalem is the perfect example. In the 7th Century AD the Arabs had no spiritual connection to that City.
Neither did the Romans. They conquered it anyways even though they had "enough" territory. As if that could ever exist.
Same for the Russians. You have to be actually retarded if you believe the war in Ukraine is about something other than territorial expansion and imperial ambitions
The problem with fights and wars is due to the fact that in the societies we live in, relationships between people are more competitive than cooperative and not the other way around, as it was at the beginning of human civilization. We live in societies that reward individualism, selfishness, exploitation of others, rather than cooperation and help between individuals.
That's what's being fed to our minds by the masters of war.
The reason of slavery and inequality is NOT the human ability to cooperate in large numbers. The reason of these phenomena is the ability and desire of some humans to disunite others by deceiving them
His thoughts on “stories” reminds me of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling 30 or more years ago regarding the “flag burning” issue. The court recognized it as legitimate “free speech” and was not unconstitutional. I don’t know what Justice it was, but in writing about the decision, the Justice talked about the power of “simple crude symbols” (the flag) that have the ability to create strong emotional feelings in human beings.
I hope Dr. Bremmer and Dr. Harari will record another talk either live or online. 2 hours would be more like it.
He's right. People fight over ideals, beliefs......
I can't wait to hear this. I always question when ONE human tries to answer THESE KINDS OF IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE HUMAN to answer anywhere close to properly, comprehensibly, or for that matters correctly
2 of my favorite thoughtful minds
I feel sorry for you
@@kavorka8855 I feel sorry for you feeling sorry for @ggalan212.
(Well, not really. I think you’re idiot for your remark 😊)
@@kavorka8855my thoughts exactly
Enjoyed the gibe that Harari might actually be "worse than us"... I appreciate the conversation, and Harari's unwavering commitment to his principle of speaking his truth no matter how hard it may be. His meditation practice, even if not 'religious', is undoubtedly nurturing his compassion and we need a lot more of that in the world. Without it, the clear thinking Harari espouses and role models is simply not possible - and that is a time-tested, ancient truth that is seldom given the recognition it deserves in the cut and thrust of modern-day intellectual debates.
Agree... We as a species manufacture both fears & happiness & don't as a whole choose between both.
Love Ian and his teams content.
Bravo to Yuval Harari and thank you to you Ian Bremmer for this great « brain feeder guest ». 🇫🇷🇺🇸
One of the most constant characteristics of beliefs is their intolerance. The stronger the belief, the greater its intolerance. Men dominated by a certitude cannot tolerate those who do not accept it. So, the masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
May we all have AGI's with Harari's grace.
Great and insightful interview with Harari👍also like the humor that Ian put in his last question and comment
What interesting will be a discussion between Noah Harari and John Mearsheimer (he has a different view, for instance, of the Russian matter). Thanks for the video, great content.
Basically future is organic vs inorganic
Excellent
blessed.
“Part of preserving privacy is to preserve the right for stupidity…. [we] should have the right to say stupid and terrible things in private.”
We engage in conflicts for the same primal reasons as animals over territory and resources, not stories yet we create narratives to rationalize our wars, convincing ourselves that we are driven by higher purposes rather than mere animalistic instincts.
Democracy is when those who make decisions on your behalf have the duty to ask for your consent first. Today's republics are actually modern oligarchies where the interest groups of the rich are arbitrated by the people, that is, you can choose from which table of the rich you will receive crumbs.
The "fatigue" of democracy occurs when there is a big difference between the interests of the elected and the voters, thus people lose confidence in the way society functions. As a result, poor and desperate citizens will vote with whoever promises them a lifeline, i.e. populists or demagogues.
The democratic aspect is a collateral effect in societies where the economy has a strong competitive aspect, that is, the interests of those who hold the economic power in society are divergent. Thus those whealty, and implicitly with political power in society, supervise each other so that none of them have undeserved advantages due to politics. For this reason, countries where mineral resources have an important weight in GDP are not democratic (Russia, Venezuela, etc.), because a small group of people can exploit these resources in their own interest. In poor countries (Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, etc.) the main exploited resource may even be the state budget, as they have convergent interests in benefiting, in their own interest, from this resource. It is easy to see if it is an oligarchy because in a true democracy laws would not be passed that would not be in the interest of the many.
The first modern oligarchy appeared in England at the end of the 17th century. After the bourgeois revolution led by Cromwell succeeded, the interest groups of the rich were unable to agree on how to divide their political power in order not to reach the dictatorship of one. The solution was to appoint a king to be the arbiter. In republics, the people are the arbiter, but let's not confuse the possibility of choosing which group will govern you with democracy, that is, with the possibility of citizens deciding which laws to pass and which not to.
The solution is modern direct democracy in which every citizen can vote, whenever he wants, over the head of the parliamentarian who represents him. He can even dismiss him if the majority of his voters consider that he does not correctly represent their interests.
It's like when you have to build a house and you choose the site manager and the architect, but they don't have the duty to consult with you. The house will certainly not look the way you want it, but the way they want it, and it is more certain that you will be left with the money given and without the house. It is strange that outside of the political sphere, nowhere, in any economic or sports activity, will you find someone elected to a leadership position and who has failure after failure and is not fired after 4 years. We, the voters, must be consulted about the decisions and if they have negative effects we can dismiss them at any time, let's not wait for the soroco to be fulfilled, because we pay, not them. In any company, the management team comes up with a plan approved by the shareholders. Any change in this plan must be re-approved by the shareholders and it is normal because the shareholders pay.
Not sure I understood Bremmer's parting shot about Harari being better than everyone else. It came across to me as a slight. I doubt that Bremmer read Harari's book (the one for adults), because if he did, he'd know the Harari became veganish [sic] when his research for the book revealed the gross mistreatment of animals raised for food. The world would be a much better place if more people had the courage to do what is obviously better for animals, the planet and themselves.
There is always an ideology to justify more power, territory, money etc. Ideology is not the main reason why conflicts happen. Ideology is used as an operating system for flexible cooperation true that but the main reasons are always primal in nature.
"You know if you think about the second World War, now we know it started in first of September of 1939 when Germany invaded Poland but if you asked people, let's say, in May 1941, people in New York, people in Stalingrad, people in Hiroshima, it's not World War II. Yes there is a conflict in Europe there are some conflict in Asia, but it's not World War II. Only with hindsight can we say "Oh yeah this is when it stared" We could already be in the midst of World War III, that started in 24 of February in 2022."
That is something I never thought about. WW3 could already have started...
2:00 haha, that's so funny. I guessed humans were the single most dangerous animals to humans and I was correct. Of course, mosquitos are the only non-human animals that kill the most humans, but I didn't exclude humans from my mental category of animals. 😅
Yuval Harari MADNESS !!! WHY DO MAD PEOPLE WANT TO LEAD US, WHERE THEY WILL TAKE US???
I am, of course, watching this on a cell phone.
The world is not fair because there are many people like him in the world. Foe example, when he is talking about annexation is Russian annexation not Israeli annexation.
this was awesome but i would have really enjoyed a kind of a podcast format with hours of back and forth between both of them speaking their minds on similar interests
Just fyi there is a podcast with the full version of the interviews that appear here. It's called GZERO World Podcast.
@@something4114I believe this was the full interview between the two.
@@something4114 oh thanks! i didnt think to check spotify
Adam Smith said it first in regards to human interaction.
“We tell each other stories” has been used to define everything from geopolitics to filmmaking. It’s a thought cliche* that needs to be retired. *phrase per Jacques Barzun
Growth is always unequal - people never discover new sources of prosperity as a collective. Moaning about it and extolling the virtues of redistribution is rent-seeking behavior, pure and simple.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
03:26 *📚 Harari's childhood concerns. *
05:49 *🌍 Stories fuel conflicts. *
08:14 *🌐 Human power to change. *
09:12 *🤖 AI's unprecedented impact. *
10:42 *📜 AI creating ideological stories. *
13:10 *🌐 Social weapon risks. *
15:08 *🌐 Russia's invasion impact. *
17:34 *🇮🇱 Changing Middle East narrative. *
18:35 *✌️ Coexistence perspective. *
20:38 *🧘♂️ Mind care practices.*
21:09 *🧠 Social media hacks emotions. *
22:08 *🤐 Preserve privacy and stupidity. *
22:37 *👏 Yuval's humorous response.*
Made with HARPA AI
I'm curious really stating it takes 5% of the global budget is an un-baised claim.
the problem is way more complex than simply putting a x price tag and that's the problem with his ideas generally
People fight over stories, but people also fight over resources. I am not convinced by his assertion.
Artificial intelligence can a monster that can incapacitate, cripple and make humanity captive of its madness and mechanical whims.
It was pre-homo sapiens collaboration with pre-modern dogs that drove both to evolve to modern species. Collaboratively delegating, bald, pale, humans that are less able to survive in Canadian woods than model quantum interactions, are not the sapiens that emerged from caves. We never would have evolved into homo-sapiens, delegating traits and even physical protection from the elements to another species, nor settled into civilizations if we hadnt evolved WITH dogs.
Unfortunately the video title is pretty misleading
He codemns the Russians for "annexing" does he also condemn the illegal Israeli settler expansion ?
Yes. He did it many times, for example, in his conversation with Sam Harris.
Yes
Yes
Of course not. What's right for me, is never right for you. "It's not you, it's not me, it's all because of the guy hiding up the tree."
He is human like everyone else
His comment on defense spending dropping from 50% of a nations budget …just think of the internal problems America could solve with say 10 or 15% of what it spends on military
Democracy is flawed when it comes to producing an informed popular mandate.
Traditionally, that's why it isn't used to produced mandates. That's what the representatives are for. (Advised by their authorities, popular, professional, academic or otherwise.)
Democracy is better understood as a method of holding representatives accountable to the governed.
I prefer to frame my criticism of democracy (as currently constructed) as failing in regards to holding governing elites accountable, and failing to produce a new generation of political and business leaders.
The idea that democracy (as currently constructed) is functioning as a fair gauge of popular sentiment, producing a popular mandate that the average person can understand, is more than a little misguided! I'm not sure who's still doing that in what part of the world.
This misconception, and partial understanding of democracy is part of the problem. When it comes to holding power to account, even the naming of the problem is challenging, and often overlooked, by some.
📍15:00
It’s all stories. Turtles on turtles. It’s okay not to be right.
Enjoying to read this comment section while people are still commenting on the actual context of the video before the religious and/or right-wing loons appear
He’s playing Peter Sellers as our Chauncy of XXIst, “There will be growth in the spring” Profound!
Citing invasion as wrong, because you’re stronger, even as Israel collapses tower after chock-o-block buildings of white-flag and peace symbol draped apartments is tragic irony. He’s not so bright. He’s just anointed by select powerful looking for the latest secular-priest to preach their elitist nostrums: the Fool, the Thinker/Philosopher, he’s the Court Clown.
You gave him a stage. Yawn.
He is selective about the 'rules based order' but what about the numerous interventions of America throughout the world. What about France and niger? The world order HAS to change to include the global South to get the world better regulated. The rules should reflect THE REALITY😮
What's so incredibly original about Harari's insights? He's overpraised af.
Original? You read his books? I have. They are very insightful. The originality question is a bit complex because he, like many people have this problem where they figure out something important and then keeps repeating the same thing. Elon has his space fairing humanity bit, Harari has this thing about Stories and AI, Ray Kurzweil and his Expontetials, Joe Rogan has Elk, DMT, Chimps and Bears and so on. They are all definitely original in their own right, only repetitive.
All of a sudden Harari forgot about Israel’s constant theft of Palestinian land, and the Iraqi and Afgan invasions. What selective memory you have! Or is it that you are trying to assert your patently false stories on us?
Saoirse don Phalaistín. Tiodfaidh bhúr lá... from Ireland
I like Harari.
Bremmer gets on my nerves.
Truly.
How predictable of lost human beings. That by cooperating we conquer what we set our minds to do; and also eventually deceive ourselves that we therefore don't need our Creator. Nothing new under the sun though; Ref: Tower of Babel.
Noah's main idea is that 'humans have made these stories and so humans can change them', but root of these ideas for their believers are Holy, given by God. Secular persons agrees with Noah but not any believers. So as Weber points out the most fundamental change happens when religion changes in a society. A real transformation, such it took place and gave birth to many civilization of the past... Perhaps such a world changing belief is already spreading around the world preaching: Oneness of Religion! Oneness of Humanity! The World is but One country and mankind its citizen. Perhaps new stories are already being told and in time they will come to fruition.
Yuval focus only on the story aspect. But the convenience (based on culture, language etc.), and affinity to closer genes are other dimension of grouping. At the end grouping happens to secure resources. I view him like my teacher. I learned a lot of new ways of thinking from him. But on AI, in my humble opinion he is wrong. AI has the ability to give us abundance and also group is together.
True but we are not sure if we can have under our full control.
Harari misinterprets "collaboration" and think the world has advanced through it. After all, in ancient times, one individual human couldn't bring down a mammoth alone. However, even in hunting a mammoth in the past, it's the individual human who could plan for it. It's the planning of individuals that matter in human progress, not the physical, later collaborations.
Harari also repeats this fallacy in his book, Sapiens, and asserts a number of other fallacies, for calls corporations, money, etc as myths, in a book that was supposed to be about history, not personal, often erroneous assertions.
We very rarely reward groups of people, we reward individuals. The money that Mr Harari has been making through his selling of his personal assertions isn't a myth, it's real.
Based on imperial data, the more you separate individuals, the more successful the society becomes and the more technological and scientific progress it achieves.
Immediate, collective collaborations is probably the one factor that brings the evil side of humans out. It's the collective individual human creativities, and technological achievements that are handed down and recorded for the next individuals that matter and deeply confuses Mr Harari.
Au contraire. The World is totally fair. We just don't like the results.
Another lie. Any social media algorithm (as well as AI) has a host/creator and they can be stopped any time. The problem is that these hosts/creators do not wish to stop them because they bring them money.
What lie? When you say it can be done but it won't be done because of incentives, you are saying it can't actually be done. Not really.
The lie is that a person like Yuval Harari - if he really wanted to stop the dangerous process - would say "we should stop it" rather than "we can't stop it". @@@lawrencefrost9063
I had a feeling that the guy was smart,
Yes he told somethings very clearly but right wrong is different from his thinking because another perepective he not seems because yhere is also new perspectives still to see... so his addressing problems and clearly give double code is super
I think he is very biased and embarrassed because he cannot justify what his country is doing to children and civilians in terms of mass murder in Gaza after the new Holocaust practiced against the Palestinian people. This man began to appear a lot, not as a thinker, but in order to ease the pressure on the brutal crimes committed by his country. It is true that he is a deep thinker but he is deep in the wrong direction
Someone liked your comment on social media.
Oh, really? Who was that?
That will cost you $2.-
And I thought that social media would be somewhat inclined to act socially.
You need to read Karl Marx, to understand prosesses of the World.
I see here Hypocrisy at it highest level! Russia vs Ukrainian is bad, but when it comes to Israel occupying Palestinian just because it is stronger and it can is ok. Hmmm
This whole spiel about AI controlling the narrative is pure science fiction.
Love Ian not so much the other guy in that he ascribes to this color blind thing that others who apparently deny the human condition which eliminates the ENTIRE premise of color blind from the start. That DOESN'T MEAN I'M saying humans can't be without racism. That I find especially easy. What I'M saying is when i see a white ,black, yellow blue car, human, animal etc .... immediately I see a blue car, blue human or blue animal. It's VERY EASY for me to not place a human above or below the rest due to said noticed color BUT WE ALL NOTICE THE damn COLOR! To deny this, to present some alternative REALITY where this wouldn't occur is utter NONSENSE. Well Yuri wrote an entire book on this NONSENSE, IMPOSSIBLE TO PULL OFF BY HUMANS, premise solving racism... Yeah .... Thinking even a small % of HUMANS could be colorblind, as in, NOT NOTICE THE COLOR OF A THING, OBJECT, PERSON..... Is NAIVE to the point that I worry for said person being allowed in public WITHOUT supervision.
Microphone.
4:44 you fight with old people, young people, your neighbor, the person who nicks you 5 fucking times trying to parallel park…. Really? 😂
I object to the use of the general words "humanity" and 'humans" and "people" when clearly who you are talking about is MEN. The blame needs to be put where it belongs, and it NEVER is. If nature had the same priorities as MEN, all life on this planet would have ended long, long ago.
Please, here is a second comment, but what I think Israel is not understanding and what is getting in the way of getting along with her neighbors is that the Palestinian people for example, are so opposite Israeli people and these major differences can boil over into conflicts and although they believe in other religious stories and analyze situations in completely different ways than Israelis, one can learn to accept these chasms of misunderstanding. Be kind to each other no matter what anyone says. This is where Israel has to step back and realize that the way to go ahead now is to not over-react to the mindset of a people like the Palestinians that differs to such a degree, it is to try and accept that the gift the Palestinians are offering is to make Israelis kinder and be more open to other ways of thinking in spite of the wall of mistrust that divides the two peoples. What is the way ahead? Water down the mountain is my philosophy; the path of least resistance. What is needed is to create something from the ashes of the current war that will show the world how to put an end to warring factions of neighboring countries. What is it that could be created? Yuval, Ian, I have said it before, so please bear with me to say it again. The way to peace in the middle east is to build nature reserves for endangered species of plant, animal and aquatic life. All religious groups, all peoples respect one thing more than anything else and will never outwardly destroy it: nature. Here is the solution: rescue nature in the middle east and you rescue a peace that I truly believe will be our legacy and last for centuries. One square kilometer of land could be enough to start transforming burned out buildings into sanctuaries where endangered faun and fauna can survive and thrive...
I wonder if your proposal works with a social order of predominantly narcissistic personality types? They care little for nature as it nurtures…it is only there to somehow capitalize on for personal gain?
er killo er nuval empari harari
Maybe Harari should have told the USA too not to invade other countries. Remember Iraq? The list is long
I visited jerusalem and it is, in many respects, the worst place i have visited worldwide. I don't wish to return to israel.
Why is it the worst place? Too many nutty people?
"politicians should be allowed to say stupid things in their private life"
is he trying to trivilaize the genocidal statements made by israeli politicians in speeches n social media?
Here’s how you deal with ai
don’t make it
Climate Change is a serious global problem and we must stop using fossil fuels! There is a near infinite supply of energy in the molecules of water. The present reaction to split water is by electrolysis that takes more energy than it produces.
A micro/nano particle reaction that uses Bismuth ferrite negative meta material will produce a water splitting ultraviolet radiation, that will split water and produce a liquid-phase plasma energy.
lol
we could be cooperating, but the current "global order" refuses to get out of the way and allow it to happen. it doesnt take an expert to figure that out. yuval is definitely clueless.
Not the right venue for Harari.
Iraq wmd APartheid in Palestine ok but no no not Russia
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Effff willie hellz gaTez
Harari can pull any abstraction out of his back and sound deep. It is absurd to talk about how life is unfair and gloss over the genocide his country is carrying out. Nonsense, for kids.
i cannot watch this historian that distorts. NO value in listening to such a "historian" with little credibility. not watching the other Gzero clips.
I guess he's correct..We Palestinians should love (not hate) those who replaced and dispossessed us!😎...Mazeltov
@thetitansofbrahma6702
u just proved me correct KHabibi
remind us who signed the Haavara Agreement with Nazis?
You want them gone. They want you gone. You are all madmen who curse your own children.
WWIII started with a YT comment from a deaf Palestinian who rather than consider the merits of the thesis presented in the video, that stories/narratives define how we live and treat others, stuck to the Palestinian Party line of land dispossession and recovery by any means necessary.
My private thought(Like Hitler, a real dumb f*ck.)
Ian, I am taking a chance in criticising you, but you are improperly dressed to be on stage in faded jeans and sneakers. You are one of the most prominent geo-political people; a leader in the world. You look too casual to be on stage with one of the world's most distinguished historians.
Propaganda...
two psychos drooling over the coming conflict of gog and magog
Two evil people here spreading fakeness
Harari is far scarier than Putin and Trump combined.
Is that because he speaks the truth.
Why?
what a stupid statement.
Because he speaks in complete sentences?
You are right. He is as a dangerous globalist.
This guy is a terrible historian and has worse understanding of history than a teenager. Perhaps explains why he has harped back to writing for kids.
No where near as scary as your lack of analytical ability.
never trust nerds with no hair
he reminded me of a french psychiatrist who used to live in my neighborhood..😂😂
Never trust anyone who is called Jesse James. The irony.