It's about a 4.5 second difference, from when the GTD lap starts and it crosses the "pit exit" barrier that the old start was at the beginning of the lap.
I'm not a hater, but I left one cork in my bottle of champagne... I was blue, sort of embarrassed for Ford This video shot my appreciation thru the roof!
You’re lowering your iq for thinking this could go anywhere near the gt3 rs the gt3 rs lap time could also improve it had 15 mph head wind going against it in the long straight aways
If Ford can improve in spring, then GT black series that was lapped on a damp track with wet patches, can also easily improve in better weather conditions.
@@ericship8383it's so annoying they fell for the marketing BS. That track was almost perfect for the lap the gt black series lap time was set in worse conditions
I drove the GT3 in Dallas and it was awesome!! I think they fine tune the suspension and gearing for the GTD, it’s going to drop 10 seconds. Especially if the track is completely dry.
I agree with you about the suspension. When comparing the GT3 RS / GTD videos, I noticed that the GTD is a bit slower in the corners and often doesn't get the power onto the road.
Yeah thats why the gt2rs MR has a 6:38 and 6:43 lap it's why the amg one set a 6:29 and 6:24 lap but its more than likely the gtd will be behind on the ring. On other tracks however we might see different results
Watched and carefully analysed the published official clip of its record lap, it definitely has an even better time in it, and no, I am not talking tenths ,
@@AB-80X You just contradicted yourself there Dilbert! You can't state your "opinion" as "valid fact" Two different things - one factual, the other a personal opinion. I think you got lost in the semantics here! LOL
@@Loulovesspeed "Watched and carefully analysed the published official clip of its record lap, it definitely has an even better time in it, and no, I am not talking tenths " This is not an opinion. This is a statement of fact.
The only update to the track that slows the times is the curb out of foxhole. Other than that the pavement was made smoother which gives better laptimes, such as the pavement at foxhole and the long straight that were bumpy as hell. The foxhole curb adds maybe 1 second, which still doesn't get it close to the AMG GT-BS, 992 GT3RS, and GT2RS/MR.
To be honest most people keep looking at this car is just a Mustang without considering all the work and functions that went into making this Mustang perform up to the level that it's performing. Yes Ford went to multimatics; but Chevrolet used to take the Corvette to an outside organization to have certain parts of it built ;but now they are building their Corvettes in house which is amazing👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿 giving some time I do believe mustangs like the GTD may be built in-house as well! I believe this Mustang is a shining example of the future for Ford if they clinch and realize it...
@@marlonelmorefreedomisoursn9744 I doubt that a GTD level car would ever be built at Flat Rock, but possibly close. They'd have to do a Chevy and make an assembly line that could accommodate one. Otherwise it's more economical to have Multimatic build them.
For me, the target for the GTD was always the Merc and the Black Series did a 6.48 in the same configuration as the GTD. Every time I hear someone say that we have to disregard a lap times because of some change, I reply that every lap time has to be looked at within context and most contexts have either a known or very well estimated time consequence. In the case of the change of the location of the start line, 3 seconds is the general time added.
All the vehicles with faster times on the NR have done 10s of thousands of kilometers of optimization testing to get perfectly fast. If Ford had a facility there and nearly endless budget, it would fine tune the clearly overwhelmed suspension and transmission to go 5-10 seconds faster. Nothing to do with the starting/finishing point. I’ve done over 2000 laps there.
Are you for real? Ford has been testing Mustangs on the Ring for 10 years. Budget? Can you name me a manufacture in the world with a bigger budget than Ford?
@ Manthey Racing, the RS developer and racing arm for Porsche, is down the street. They are continually testing every day on the ring. Ford borrows a facility and occasionally shows up. It’s a world of difference to live there or to vacation there.
@@peterdevereaux6512 exactly. tho its a joke anyways how all the people yapping about some seconds when they would get trashed by a stock e36 328 with a pro driver even if they would drive in any of those cars GTD, GT2, AMG or whatever
That information is complitly wrong... 🙄 Since 2020 EVERY lap is driven with 20,832km track layout. Thats the reson why all the lap times including Gt3RS and GTD are officialy notarized. It take me 60 sec to google this...
That means the viper acr would do a 6:59.... stick shift!! Just imagine if it was manufacture run and not individuals.... just saying!! Even better self adjusting wing 😮
The other way around. The ACR time was using the old 20.6km format. With the new layout you can see it in the official video it’s a difference of 4.97 seconds. So it would be a 7:05.1 time lap, almost 7.5 seconds.
the pilot was coasting, in the documentary it was said car had power probleme and shifting probleme, we can also see that the pilot was coasting on a lot of corner, already said and known as common fact now but the track wasnt completly dry, and it was 3 lap which 3 are under 7... can't wait next summer, they didnt need to do much more than break sub 7 to go worldwide buzz, and they did, now watch them beating every pronostic, getting a massive 10 seconde on their lap time, beating porshe
They can and they did. The 20.832 km layout is nothing new. Mercedes used it and did a 6:48. They also posted the 6:43 because that's a popular time used as well. So there's nothing special or new in what Ford did here. The GT3 time of 6:59 as also run on the 20.832 km long track.
@@AB-80X Nobody said it was new or special, it was simply miss information that somehow most people here never knew, don't ask me why or how because I searched up lap times for this track extensively to the point that I already knew that a lot of people would get it wrong. The point of this video is to correct that wrong and show that the GTD is actually competitive.
I thought there was one section of the track that actually changed? Although, from what I read they have changed the track in a number of places I think mostly for safety.
Don’t forget the Nurburgring is a subjective track, I don’t think people understand that the time you set has nothing to do with speed but it’s simplicity an agility course for your vehicle. The Nurburgring is literally (most vehicles) like if I told a body builder and a short distance sprinter to run a 5 mile obstacle course, whoever you choose to be the winner will just have to wait after the race to see.
@ didn’t mention the Z06. I’m just stating that the first american car to lap the ring in under 7 minutes is a mustang not the corvette. Corvettes has always been america’s sports car. So I think I and most people expected a corvette would done it first but it didn’t, it’s a mustang thats why I said corvette guys are pissed.
So are Ford guys it seems. They are so focused on talking about how much time is in this car, without knowing and so busy talking about this in relation to the AMG GT Black. Funny how nobody mentions the conditions of the day the AMG black ran. 7 degrees on a cold damp track. For the price and power, the GTD is a joke.
This doesn't really change anything. The physical changes to the track have all improved speeds, with the exception of the fox hole curb that adds 1-2 seconds, by smoothening the track out a lot since the AMG GT-BS laptime. It was bumpy as hell even a few years ago and some fast sections have been updated since then so it should only help improve the GTD's time. I was impressed and glad to see they went sub 7 from the beginning, but that's not without some criticisms that these new claims don't really address. It just comes across as cope. For having the most HP out of any of the other competitors, its speeds on the straights were very lackluster. The 992 GT3RS has like 300 less HP and somehow beat the GTD to 300km/hr on the main straight. I would have expected the GTD to get close to 320km/hr (200mph) before braking at the end. Looking forward to see Ford's return to the Nurburgring next year, though! It would really be sweet to see them beat the Germans on their home turf. But let's not fanboy just because we got an allocation for a GTD.
@@tiersofemotion222 What's the relevance of that? Ford charges a huge amount of money for a car that will struggle to beat a GT3RS. Can I also point out that if the car now runs below 6:57, the 2025 track changes also makes for a faster track? The conditions the AMG Black set the time in was piss poor to say the least.
@@AB-80X Who has more experience on that track in Germany Ford or Mercedes & Porsche? What country is Mercedes & Porsche factory based in? If you think experience has nothing to do with anything lol ohh buddy.
@@AB-80X What do you mean what is the relevance of the Czinger 21c beating those cars it's so yall can shut up about this American Car stereotypes in the car community.
The driver's video also stated one of the barriers was brought in closer now as well, which changed how fast he could take that turn. So, now it is hard to really compare until those other cars go back. Have you driven the GT3RS? If you have, you can compare those times.
Every year they change and fix a part of the track so lap times will never be perfect judging them from year to year wont really work unless both cars go when the track is the same theres gunna be a difference could ve fast ir they could change something that make the lap slower
If Ford wanted to really show how important this was to the brand and company beyond a single lap time, take up the challenge and run in the 24 hour race. It will be oranges to oranges and there will be no doubt to discuss.
"For decades, automotive media outlets and manufacturers have used lap times on the Nordschleife as a standard to measure the performance of production vehicles. A car's time on the circuit is commonly used as a benchmark for its overall performance, and cars from disparate marques or time periods may be directly compared via their lap times. Since 2019, two times have been recorded: one for the whole length of the track, and another for a traditional, slightly truncated layout." - wiki
I know this video is focused on the Mustang GTD but wouldn’t this mean that the Corvette Z06 time is also faster lap time? What would you say the lap speed would be on the Z06 when comparing the old/new lap times.
The car is fast, but lets be honest here and talk about the fact that Ford hired a ALL STAR professional driver to set that time, and worked on the cars configuration to set the time. Will the GTD be at the top of LIGHTNING LAPS leaderboard? Will a 815hp track focused car beat a 1064np ZR1 that cost less and has a actual GTLM production chassis? The AMG GT Black series is a faster car according to the ring with less horsepower AND ITS ABOUT THE SAME PRICE.
The Mustang is a front engine car bro, stop looking for a reason not to give Ford their credit. That Mustang is also new to this race, those other cars been racing this for years
@@BruceDragon-sf1trAMG have only the gt platform as a serious track platform they're still relatively new to this and look what they did in their early attempts with the AMG GTr even though that was the old layout
Everyone is going to have their opinion about it and that's fine. Nothing wrong with it. But to run sub 7 minutes on the Ring is hauling a$$ plain and simple. It was dumb for Jim Farley to make the whole "beating Europeans" remark. Because there's always going to be someone faster than you. But this is an achievement by BOTH Ford and Multimatic. It's nice to see more manufacturers accomplishing this feat rather than the usual suspects. It's not easy plain and simple. If it was everyone would have done it by now.
Still only 2 seconds faster than the standard GT3 that did the 20,8km stretch in 6:59 Not Impressive with that kind of power and it being a no compromise track car with 315 more hp full DRS and built in partnership with Multimatic.
That Mustang is a front engine car, thats pretty darn impressive to run with cars like the Mercedes and Porsche. The Mustang is also new to this race. Other cars been racing this track for years. And the track was squeeze in a little tighter from how the official's set it up. Under 7 minutes is pretty good for any front engine car on this track
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr Mustang new to this race? Are you kidding? Ford has used the Ring for Mustang testing for over 10 years! This is ridiculous for the price and power. This was ran in the dry, the AMG was ran on a damp track with wet patches in 7 degrees. Be happy if they can wring a 6:55 out of this.
What I don't understand why its such a big deal ? Yes it did sub 7 Mustang... but its purpose built 815 horsepower full aero track car with a license plate attached to it ?... so its better to be fast ???.... Every single purpose built built race car will do sub 7...
@@YurrNext There were no wet patches in the onboard footage. Only the dramatic video made by Ford showed wet patches as they did a media session in the rain.
@powerslider30477 Not to my eyes, looks like there was definitely moisture in the track still. I've done over 50 laps there and the surface is definitely darker than usual. It's just my opinion, but we will see when they come back in the spring.
At max there are 2.5 seconds more in the vehicle. The video shows the race path was dry and it was a hot day. The driver took the correct race path which was dry and made 3 clean timed passes. The first 2 were sub 7.
Pre 2019 laps are all 20.6km, then both 20.6km and 20.832km were used till this year or last year and now it's 20.832km only. For the GTD, the 20.6km time would be between 6:52-6:53 and please don't spread misinformation that the track was damp. The track was dry. Edit: 20.832km is only for manufacturer backed laps but Sport Auto laps like the Z06 lap is for 20.6km.
The track was dryish it wasn’t totally dry. They said it rained the day before and it was cloudy when they were there. It wasnt damp and it wasnt totally dry. We will see what they can achieve next year.
Dew Point and relative humidity Look them up 🤣 The weather was low 60s F with a Dew Point of 60. No I'm getting sick of having to explain the simple stuff to people like yourself but you should understand that when the temperature and dew point are the same then the air is saturated and condensation will form on surfaces like the track surface. Lol 😂 this is kindergarten class knowledge 🤷
@@voodoodiecast Look at the video. It was dry. When it was not dry, was when Mercedes ran. It had been raining all night and into the early hours in the morning. It was 7 degrees as well. Get over it.
What are you in about? Sport auto ran a 6:55 in a stock gt3 rs which is only 10 seconds slower than the manufacturer lap time by your logic the gtd ain’t stock either
This being referred to as a mustang is a joke! Just like ford branding a crossover a mustang. Only difference is that you can obtain the crossover. I think this car is brilliant! I think this car will be very good at everything they threw at it! Call it whatever, just quit bench racing the damn thing and prove all the nay sayers wrong
If they resale like the Ford GT, in about 2 years, he will double or triple his money for a long time. 2005-06 Ford GTs are going for over double their sticker price and are not depreciating still to this day. That's not even taking into account how the GTD handles and looks. If I had one, I wouldn't ever want to sell it.
@@chrismathes3647 "The price of the 2025 Ford Mustang GTD is expected to start around $325,000." - Road and Track. The price of the 2024 GT3 RS (which hasn't run a lap record yet, is $241,000, but by all means, keep pretending to know what you're talking about. The 2022 GT3 RS it loses to was $162,000 loooooooooooooool The Manthey Racing package is $161,000 on top and then it absolutely crushed the Mustang.
@@ChrisMenendez609 You can literally see different colored pavement....as in some is shiney depending on how you look at it....Ford never once claimed it was wet and again....Dirk Himself said it was dry
And Manthey Racing is located Meuspath literally 3 miles from the start lol 😂 considering they're owned by Porsche and spend 24/7 365 days a year on the Ring I'm really not impressed with THEIR LAP TIMES 😂😂😂 Buddy you have no clue what your talking about. Look at the video 62⁰ F and Dew Point of 60, relative humidity near 100% That creates a moist track surface. It's it hard to understand. There's literally Fog, clouds and damp surfaces shown in the video learn how weather works lmao! You're literally arguing with every person familiar with the cars, track and conditions but you believe your own special facts lol. MR kit 60-75k extra and no probably harder to get than a GTD
@@chrismathes3647 Yeah, you have huge hurdles to overcome to make that true. Dirk himself (the driver) said it was dry....Temp was 64 degrees according to the actual recorded data, the lap was done at about 7 pm, Dew point is not a thing....Humidity was 76% which would make the dew point 56.3 degrees. Lowest temp of the day 61 degrees. "iF yOu LoOk aT tHe vIdEo" did you look at the video? lol The temp isn't on the actual lap time video, also it hadn't rained in days. Again Ford didn't claim wet, Dirk didn't claim wet. No car will go sub 7 minute when wet. Will the Mustang go faster with better weather? probably, but it wasn't wet. No one claimed it, it's just weirdos stumping for Ford that are claiming it. There's literally no fog in the video....... buddy you have no clue what you're talking about. "You're literally arguing with every person familiar with the cars, track and conditions but you believe your own special facts lol" no I'm arguing with knobs who didn't watch the actual lap times or read any of the interviews with the driver who did them. YOU'RE LITERALLY ARGUING WITH THE GUY WHO DID THE LAP LOL. Bringing up dew points without being armed with the actual facts lol clown shit. Did you seriously not watch the actual recorded lap dude? lol
@@ChrisMenendez609 It was dry. I have done in excess of a 1000 laps there over the years. I have an unregistered 991 GT3 beater that lives there to serve as nothing but a Ring track bitch. What you see in that video is just the different surface patches etc. There's nothing wet or damp about it.
Dude trying to convince him self after spending that 400k Also if ford could do so much better they should and would have waited. Most cars times were done in non ideal conditions this means nothing
Speed Phenom Great Video I think it's awesome that the Mustang GTD would be around 5 seconds faster around the old Nurburgring Nordschleife layout and I can't wait to see how much faster it can be
It's simple, " do it again". Tired of the its this or that, just like the z06 bogus time , Chevy needs to send a driver out and so does Ford. They had the track all DAY and got nothing done.
what a joke how all u people yapping about some seconds when u would get trashed by a stock e36 328 with a pro driver even if u would drive in any of those cars GTD, GT2, AMG or whatever
Changes? The 20.832 km track has been used since 2020. It was also what Mercedes used. They just published two times. A 6:48 and a 6:43. The latter was simply done so that it compared to older times.
@@chrismathes3647 Stick to facts and what you posted elsewhere - we can all look up the conditions at the time. Now you claim a humidity of 100%. Just give it a rest. You are the one who who might want to just sit down and let the adults talk.
Welll, actually....this was discussed by Meisha and he brought this up, but also pointed out that the porsches did it with less horsepower. All things being equal, this should be taken into account.
No difference in my take on it. It is still not as fast as the GT3RS, and for that price, it's just not good enough. Can I also point out that this is not the first time Ford is at the Ring. The 350R was tested there, the GT was tested there etc. Ford know the ring very well.
Congrats. It’s a 400k mustang with a shit-hot ring lap time let’s keep track of how many see a lap at “the ring” or any other track. It out-prices every comparable lap time holder. 5 years from now 85% of them will have delivery miles and be for sale for a million bucks. And it’ll still be a mustang.
Yeah. I love my Mach 1, but I gotta say the GTD looks goofy and is waaaaaaayyy too expensive for the performance . I don’t really see why the ford GT is so expensive and sells either. It’s just a ford
Here's a novel idea actually COMPARE prices lmao 🤣. GTD 300k to start AMG GT BLACK 325k GT3 RS base 220k GT3 RS MR 420K Lamborghini SVJ 500K Huracan is 325-400K Lol, idk how you can't understand simple numbers
And they'll still be even faster in the spring.
The gt3 rs lap time could also improve they had 15 mph head wind going against it in the straight aways
The GT black series lap can also be improved as the track was actually damp with a lot of wet patches.
And yet neither of them went back to set a faster lap despite living right next to the track
@@rhatala27 Mercedes moved on from the GT Black Series to the AMG One and Porsche now has the GT3RS MR.
@powerslider30477
MR doesn't count, and if Merc moved on, well that's too bad. They had plenty of time
It's about a 4.5 second difference, from when the GTD lap starts and it crosses the "pit exit" barrier that the old start was at the beginning of the lap.
So adjust off 4.5 seconds and also see how much more the GTD has in it.
Pencil me into the more impressed column. As a Ford guy and a former '65 Mustang driver this has me amped!!
The haters are wilfully lowering their IQ thinking the 6:57 was all it has in it.
I'm not a hater, but I left one cork in my bottle of champagne... I was blue, sort of embarrassed for Ford This video shot my appreciation thru the roof!
You’re lowering your iq for thinking this could go anywhere near the gt3 rs the gt3 rs lap time could also improve it had 15 mph head wind going against it in the long straight aways
If Ford can improve in spring, then GT black series that was lapped on a damp track with wet patches, can also easily improve in better weather conditions.
I have been saying same thing
@@ericship8383it's so annoying they fell for the marketing BS. That track was almost perfect for the lap the gt black series lap time was set in worse conditions
Either way the GTD will improve next year
Every car will improve next year. The 2025 track alterations will see to that.
Remember 1% change is equal to 4 seconds. I’m sure they can improve by more than 1%
I drove the GT3 in Dallas and it was awesome!! I think they fine tune the suspension and gearing for the GTD, it’s going to drop 10 seconds. Especially if the track is completely dry.
I agree with you about the suspension. When comparing the GT3 RS / GTD videos, I noticed that the GTD is a bit slower in the corners and often doesn't get the power onto the road.
Yeah thats why the gt2rs MR has a 6:38 and 6:43 lap it's why the amg one set a 6:29 and 6:24 lap but its more than likely the gtd will be behind on the ring. On other tracks however we might see different results
Watched and carefully analysed the published official clip of its record lap, it definitely has an even better time in it, and no, I am not talking tenths ,
How many laps have you raced on the Ring?
@@AB-80X You don't need experience at the Ring to state your opinion Dilbert! No correlation at all there.
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You need experience if you want to state your opinion as valid fact.
Otherwise all you have is baseless assumptions.
@@AB-80X You just contradicted yourself there Dilbert! You can't state your "opinion" as "valid fact" Two different things - one factual, the other a personal opinion. I think you got lost in the semantics here! LOL
@@Loulovesspeed
"Watched and carefully analysed the published official clip of its record lap, it definitely has an even better time in it, and no, I am not talking tenths "
This is not an opinion. This is a statement of fact.
Chevy boys need to change their diapers.
They are just a bunch of Bow Tie poopers!
I'm a Chevy guy and I fully expected and really still expect the GTD to get below 6:50. I also recognize how difficult that will be to achieve.
A lot of people even I forgot that the track have structurally changed since they all ran those lap times
not rly
The only update to the track that slows the times is the curb out of foxhole. Other than that the pavement was made smoother which gives better laptimes, such as the pavement at foxhole and the long straight that were bumpy as hell. The foxhole curb adds maybe 1 second, which still doesn't get it close to the AMG GT-BS, 992 GT3RS, and GT2RS/MR.
Not really. The change that is covered in this video maybe adds three seconds with the GTD.
To be honest most people keep looking at this car is just a Mustang without considering all the work and functions that went into making this Mustang perform up to the level that it's performing. Yes Ford went to multimatics; but Chevrolet used to take the Corvette to an outside organization to have certain parts of it built ;but now they are building their Corvettes in house which is amazing👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿 giving some time I do believe mustangs like the GTD may be built in-house as well! I believe this Mustang is a shining example of the future for Ford if they clinch and realize it...
@@marlonelmorefreedomisoursn9744 I doubt that a GTD level car would ever be built at Flat Rock, but possibly close. They'd have to do a Chevy and make an assembly line that could accommodate one. Otherwise it's more economical to have Multimatic build them.
For me, the target for the GTD was always the Merc and the Black Series did a 6.48 in the same configuration as the GTD. Every time I hear someone say that we have to disregard a lap times because of some change, I reply that every lap time has to be looked at within context and most contexts have either a known or very well estimated time consequence. In the case of the change of the location of the start line, 3 seconds is the general time added.
I got the 2nd batch for my concierge. Did you get the first batch or what?
All the vehicles with faster times on the NR have done 10s of thousands of kilometers of optimization testing to get perfectly fast. If Ford had a facility there and nearly endless budget, it would fine tune the clearly overwhelmed suspension and transmission to go 5-10 seconds faster. Nothing to do with the starting/finishing point. I’ve done over 2000 laps there.
Are you for real? Ford has been testing Mustangs on the Ring for 10 years. Budget? Can you name me a manufacture in the world with a bigger budget than Ford?
@ Manthey Racing, the RS developer and racing arm for Porsche, is down the street. They are continually testing every day on the ring. Ford borrows a facility and occasionally shows up. It’s a world of difference to live there or to vacation there.
@@peterdevereaux6512 exactly. tho its a joke anyways how all the people yapping about some seconds when they would get trashed by a stock e36 328 with a pro driver even if they would drive in any of those cars GTD, GT2, AMG or whatever
That information is complitly wrong... 🙄
Since 2020 EVERY lap is driven with 20,832km track layout. Thats the reson why all the lap times including Gt3RS and GTD are officialy notarized.
It take me 60 sec to google this...
That means the viper acr would do a 6:59.... stick shift!!
Just imagine if it was manufacture run and not individuals.... just saying!!
Even better self adjusting wing 😮
The other way around. The ACR time was using the old 20.6km format.
With the new layout you can see it in the official video it’s a difference of 4.97 seconds. So it would be a 7:05.1 time lap, almost 7.5 seconds.
No it won't .Not on this new circuit format.The Acr would no Match t the Mustangs lap time on this longer circuit.
the pilot was coasting, in the documentary it was said car had power probleme and shifting probleme, we can also see that the pilot was coasting on a lot of corner, already said and known as common fact now but the track wasnt completly dry, and it was 3 lap which 3 are under 7... can't wait next summer, they didnt need to do much more than break sub 7 to go worldwide buzz, and they did, now watch them beating every pronostic, getting a massive 10 seconde on their lap time, beating porshe
Any reason you haven't mention the Ford video? Their video shows it raining earlier in the day and you can easily see the tracks damp.
Dirk Műller, the driver, has a commentary video going over the lap footage if anyone cares to see
I do find the Mustang to be very impressive, but I can't wait to see it up against the Zora.
Why can't they use one lap configuration....start at the same point, end at the same point?
They can and they did. The 20.832 km layout is nothing new. Mercedes used it and did a 6:48. They also posted the 6:43 because that's a popular time used as well. So there's nothing special or new in what Ford did here. The GT3 time of 6:59 as also run on the 20.832 km long track.
@@AB-80X Nobody said it was new or special, it was simply miss information that somehow most people here never knew, don't ask me why or how because I searched up lap times for this track extensively to the point that I already knew that a lot of people would get it wrong. The point of this video is to correct that wrong and show that the GTD is actually competitive.
I thought there was one section of the track that actually changed? Although, from what I read they have changed the track in a number of places I think mostly for safety.
Track configuration vs car set up is challenging Nightmare, length, elevations changes, very little banking, APPLAUSE for whole team.
This instantly gained more respect knowing the difference in track time give n different layouts
More impressed! Very spot of this clear up! And all old times need to be removed at minimum re-run especially the 992!
Don’t forget the Nurburgring is a subjective track, I don’t think people understand that the time you set has nothing to do with speed but it’s simplicity an agility course for your vehicle. The Nurburgring is literally (most vehicles) like if I told a body builder and a short distance sprinter to run a 5 mile obstacle course, whoever you choose to be the winner will just have to wait after the race to see.
Corvette guys are so pissed. They can only cope and talk sht😂😂
Comparing the Z06 to the gtd is ridiculous.
@ didn’t mention the Z06. I’m just stating that the first american car to lap the ring in under 7 minutes is a mustang not the corvette. Corvettes has always been america’s sports car. So I think I and most people expected a corvette would done it first but it didn’t, it’s a mustang thats why I said corvette guys are pissed.
@@trinidad111I saw a lot of corvette guys saying it’s better than the GTD. They prob had no idea what the gtd was I’m thinking .
So are Ford guys it seems. They are so focused on talking about how much time is in this car, without knowing and so busy talking about this in relation to the AMG GT Black. Funny how nobody mentions the conditions of the day the AMG black ran. 7 degrees on a cold damp track.
For the price and power, the GTD is a joke.
@@AB-80X yeah I don’t agree, nor do I care about the black GT.
I think Ford needs a serious redo in the spring. This car is faster than what it ran too
Interesting news. Even more pumped to see what it can do in the spring.
Not much more in it. And if it is a bit faster, maybe look up what the 2025 track revisions are. Don't think for a second Porsche won't run again.
We need Austin to drive the GTD on a perfect day at the ring and break the record!
This doesn't really change anything. The physical changes to the track have all improved speeds, with the exception of the fox hole curb that adds 1-2 seconds, by smoothening the track out a lot since the AMG GT-BS laptime. It was bumpy as hell even a few years ago and some fast sections have been updated since then so it should only help improve the GTD's time.
I was impressed and glad to see they went sub 7 from the beginning, but that's not without some criticisms that these new claims don't really address. It just comes across as cope. For having the most HP out of any of the other competitors, its speeds on the straights were very lackluster. The 992 GT3RS has like 300 less HP and somehow beat the GTD to 300km/hr on the main straight. I would have expected the GTD to get close to 320km/hr (200mph) before braking at the end.
Looking forward to see Ford's return to the Nurburgring next year, though! It would really be sweet to see them beat the Germans on their home turf. But let's not fanboy just because we got an allocation for a GTD.
Let's GOOOOO FORD! MERICA!
Ain’t beating the gt black series 😂
@ericship8383 That maybe true but I'm confidant that American-made Czinger 21c would beat both the AMG One and black series on the ring.
@@tiersofemotion222
What's the relevance of that? Ford charges a huge amount of money for a car that will struggle to beat a GT3RS. Can I also point out that if the car now runs below 6:57, the 2025 track changes also makes for a faster track?
The conditions the AMG Black set the time in was piss poor to say the least.
@@AB-80X Who has more experience on that track in Germany Ford or Mercedes & Porsche?
What country is Mercedes & Porsche factory based in?
If you think experience has nothing to do with anything lol ohh buddy.
@@AB-80X What do you mean what is the relevance of the Czinger 21c beating those cars it's so yall can shut up about this American Car stereotypes in the car community.
It was also wet all day when they set that time. That alone is worth seconds.
The driver's video also stated one of the barriers was brought in closer now as well, which changed how fast he could take that turn. So, now it is hard to really compare until those other cars go back.
Have you driven the GT3RS? If you have, you can compare those times.
He has some seat time behind GT3 RS. Manthey will be there next yr. with upgraded GT3 RS.
Every year they change and fix a part of the track so lap times will never be perfect judging them from year to year wont really work unless both cars go when the track is the same theres gunna be a difference could ve fast ir they could change something that make the lap slower
There should be a PPF ceramic coating special discount for Speed Phenom subscribers! Rah rah!😁
If Ford wanted to really show how important this was to the brand and company beyond a single lap time, take up the challenge and run in the 24 hour race. It will be oranges to oranges and there will be no doubt to discuss.
They kinda already have....
A Ford GT 40 has already taken part in a 24-hour race. That was 2009, Team was Raeder. It was fast but didn't hold up technically.
Can't wait till you get yours. 1.25.x car on Laguna
I have very little doubt it can beat the current Porsches
You are delusional if you believe that.
Austin, you rock! Peace
Great car, but price over $300,00 is for the few to enjoy and the many to give opinions.
this is why I wish they posted section times instead of a whole lap
"For decades, automotive media outlets and manufacturers have used lap times on the Nordschleife as a standard to measure the performance of production vehicles. A car's time on the circuit is commonly used as a benchmark for its overall performance, and cars from disparate marques or time periods may be directly compared via their lap times. Since 2019, two times have been recorded: one for the whole length of the track, and another for a traditional, slightly truncated layout." - wiki
I know this video is focused on the Mustang GTD but wouldn’t this mean that the Corvette Z06 time is also faster lap time? What would you say the lap speed would be on the Z06 when comparing the old/new lap times.
All the numbers don’t mean anything cause it depends on the driver, weather conditions, and everything else and if he was going in a straight line
May have a 6 min 40 something in it
Its an impressive feat and im tired of the internet trying to poo poo their run.
The car is fast, but lets be honest here and talk about the fact that Ford hired a ALL STAR professional driver to set that time, and worked on the cars configuration to set the time. Will the GTD be at the top of LIGHTNING LAPS leaderboard? Will a 815hp track focused car beat a 1064np ZR1 that cost less and has a actual GTLM production chassis? The AMG GT Black series is a faster car according to the ring with less horsepower AND ITS ABOUT THE SAME PRICE.
Dirk races for Multimatic, every other car tested is driven by a professional German racer or someone else so why does it matter?
The Mustang is a front engine car bro, stop looking for a reason not to give Ford their credit. That Mustang is also new to this race, those other cars been racing this for years
@@BruceDragon-sf1trso is the AMG black series…
@7419sundat And Mercedes been racing this track for years.
You people are some toxic people to not give Ford their credit.
@@BruceDragon-sf1trAMG have only the gt platform as a serious track platform they're still relatively new to this and look what they did in their early attempts with the AMG GTr even though that was the old layout
Hi Speed Phenom 😀
Reminds me of Ford vs Ferrari...Ford vs Porsche.
Everyone is going to have their opinion about it and that's fine. Nothing wrong with it. But to run sub 7 minutes on the Ring is hauling a$$ plain and simple. It was dumb for Jim Farley to make the whole "beating Europeans" remark. Because there's always going to be someone faster than you. But this is an achievement by BOTH Ford and Multimatic. It's nice to see more manufacturers accomplishing this feat rather than the usual suspects. It's not easy plain and simple. If it was everyone would have done it by now.
Still only 2 seconds faster than the standard GT3 that did the 20,8km stretch in 6:59
Not Impressive with that kind of power and it being a no compromise track car with 315 more hp full DRS and built in partnership with Multimatic.
Thanks for telling us you didn't understand the video 👍🤣
That Mustang is a front engine car, thats pretty darn impressive to run with cars like the Mercedes and Porsche. The Mustang is also new to this race. Other cars been racing this track for years. And the track was squeeze in a little tighter from how the official's set it up. Under 7 minutes is pretty good for any front engine car on this track
@@chrismathes3647 lol
@@BruceDragon-sf1trthe AMG black series has the same engine configuration and ran in worse conditions and is still 9 seconds faster
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr
Mustang new to this race? Are you kidding? Ford has used the Ring for Mustang testing for over 10 years!
This is ridiculous for the price and power. This was ran in the dry, the AMG was ran on a damp track with wet patches in 7 degrees. Be happy if they can wring a 6:55 out of this.
What I don't understand why its such a big deal ? Yes it did sub 7 Mustang... but its purpose built 815 horsepower full aero track car with a license plate attached to it ?... so its better to be fast ???.... Every single purpose built built race car will do sub 7...
It was definitely wet in places, you could see it pretty clearly during the lap.
@@YurrNext Did you watch the onboard footage or the video made by Ford?
@powerslider30477 Onboard of course.
@@YurrNext There were no wet patches in the onboard footage. Only the dramatic video made by Ford showed wet patches as they did a media session in the rain.
@@YurrNext The onboard video from the official Nürburgring channel showed no wet patches, the track was dry.
@powerslider30477 Not to my eyes, looks like there was definitely moisture in the track still. I've done over 50 laps there and the surface is definitely darker than usual. It's just my opinion, but we will see when they come back in the spring.
More impressed. I believe there are 10 less seconds in the GTD on a dry warm track.
It was dry, just not really warm.
Deluded
At max there are 2.5 seconds more in the vehicle. The video shows the race path was dry and it was a hot day. The driver took the correct race path which was dry and made 3 clean timed passes. The first 2 were sub 7.
Yes. .know we're talking. Go ford.
Pre 2019 laps are all 20.6km, then both 20.6km and 20.832km were used till this year or last year and now it's 20.832km only. For the GTD, the 20.6km time would be between 6:52-6:53 and please don't spread misinformation that the track was damp. The track was dry.
Edit: 20.832km is only for manufacturer backed laps but Sport Auto laps like the Z06 lap is for 20.6km.
The track was dryish it wasn’t totally dry. They said it rained the day before and it was cloudy when they were there. It wasnt damp and it wasnt totally dry. We will see what they can achieve next year.
Dew Point and relative humidity
Look them up 🤣
The weather was low 60s F with a Dew Point of 60.
No I'm getting sick of having to explain the simple stuff to people like yourself but you should understand that when the temperature and dew point are the same then the air is saturated and condensation will form on surfaces like the track surface. Lol 😂 this is kindergarten class knowledge 🤷
@@voodoodiecast
Look at the video. It was dry.
When it was not dry, was when Mercedes ran. It had been raining all night and into the early hours in the morning. It was 7 degrees as well.
Get over it.
@@AB-80X can you read? It was stated it was dryish not wet not damp and not totally dry.
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Look at the video. It’s dry. How many laps have you ran on that track?
Porsche also isn't running stock times so I don't take their times seriously to begin with.
They are. The tyre you get on a GT3RS is the same tyre you get on the car.
What are you in about? Sport auto ran a 6:55 in a stock gt3 rs which is only 10 seconds slower than the manufacturer lap time by your logic the gtd ain’t stock either
Everything that was on the cars which Porsche use to set lap times at Nordschleife is available as an option to customers, barring the driver's seat .
This being referred to as a mustang is a joke! Just like ford branding a crossover a mustang. Only difference is that you can obtain the crossover. I think this car is brilliant! I think this car will be very good at everything they threw at it! Call it whatever, just quit bench racing the damn thing and prove all the nay sayers wrong
Are you disappointed you ordered one? Personally it's not worth anywhere near 300k. Not enough hp for me for that kind of cash.
It's a literally 120,000 cheaper than a brand new 2024 Porsche GT3 RS
Not enough HP?? It’s over 800 from the factory
Mod it
If they resale like the Ford GT, in about 2 years, he will double or triple his money for a long time. 2005-06 Ford GTs are going for over double their sticker price and are not depreciating still to this day. That's not even taking into account how the GTD handles and looks. If I had one, I wouldn't ever want to sell it.
@@chrismathes3647 "The price of the 2025 Ford Mustang GTD is expected to start around $325,000." - Road and Track. The price of the 2024 GT3 RS (which hasn't run a lap record yet, is $241,000, but by all means, keep pretending to know what you're talking about. The 2022 GT3 RS it loses to was $162,000 loooooooooooooool The Manthey Racing package is $161,000 on top and then it absolutely crushed the Mustang.
There are so many variables its an absurd benchmark.
I love how you think Ford has a chance and call everyone else like people such as Misha an idiot. He knows more than you bud.
The GT2 RS Manthey kit did do a 6:43:300
Also it was not damp.....they literally never claimed it. Dirk Muller himself said it was dry
You can literally see on the video that there are wet spots as the car is going through the track🤦🏻♂️ like bro just look it’s so simple
@@ChrisMenendez609 You can literally see different colored pavement....as in some is shiney depending on how you look at it....Ford never once claimed it was wet and again....Dirk Himself said it was dry
And Manthey Racing is located Meuspath literally 3 miles from the start lol 😂 considering they're owned by Porsche and spend 24/7 365 days a year on the Ring I'm really not impressed with THEIR LAP TIMES 😂😂😂
Buddy you have no clue what your talking about. Look at the video 62⁰ F and Dew Point of 60, relative humidity near 100%
That creates a moist track surface. It's it hard to understand. There's literally Fog, clouds and damp surfaces shown in the video learn how weather works lmao! You're literally arguing with every person familiar with the cars, track and conditions but you believe your own special facts lol.
MR kit 60-75k extra and no probably harder to get than a GTD
@@chrismathes3647 Yeah, you have huge hurdles to overcome to make that true. Dirk himself (the driver) said it was dry....Temp was 64 degrees according to the actual recorded data, the lap was done at about 7 pm, Dew point is not a thing....Humidity was 76% which would make the dew point 56.3 degrees. Lowest temp of the day 61 degrees. "iF yOu LoOk aT tHe vIdEo" did you look at the video? lol The temp isn't on the actual lap time video, also it hadn't rained in days. Again Ford didn't claim wet, Dirk didn't claim wet. No car will go sub 7 minute when wet. Will the Mustang go faster with better weather? probably, but it wasn't wet. No one claimed it, it's just weirdos stumping for Ford that are claiming it. There's literally no fog in the video.......
buddy you have no clue what you're talking about. "You're literally arguing with every person familiar with the cars, track and conditions but you believe your own special facts lol" no I'm arguing with knobs who didn't watch the actual lap times or read any of the interviews with the driver who did them. YOU'RE LITERALLY ARGUING WITH THE GUY WHO DID THE LAP LOL. Bringing up dew points without being armed with the actual facts lol clown shit.
Did you seriously not watch the actual recorded lap dude? lol
@@ChrisMenendez609
It was dry. I have done in excess of a 1000 laps there over the years. I have an unregistered 991 GT3 beater that lives there to serve as nothing but a Ring track bitch.
What you see in that video is just the different surface patches etc. There's nothing wet or damp about it.
Dude trying to convince him self after spending that 400k
Also if ford could do so much better they should and would have waited. Most cars times were done in non ideal conditions this means nothing
Speed Phenom Great Video I think it's awesome that the Mustang GTD would be around 5 seconds faster around the old Nurburgring Nordschleife layout and I can't wait to see how much faster it can be
It won't be.
@AB-80X we'll see
It's simple, " do it again". Tired of the its this or that, just like the z06 bogus time , Chevy needs to send a driver out and so does Ford. They had the track all DAY and got nothing done.
Like the great Misha always says driver excuses 🤣😂🤣 I would still take the GT3 RS😁😎
Haha... Porsche is not impressed! ^^
what a joke how all u people yapping about some seconds when u would get trashed by a stock e36 328 with a pro driver even if u would drive in any of those cars GTD, GT2, AMG or whatever
WTF ARE YOU SCREAMING ABOUT, OFFICIAL IS OFFICIAL, JUST BAD LUCK RULES DID CHANGE!
THUMBS DOWN FOR SCREAMING!
Changes? The 20.832 km track has been used since 2020. It was also what Mercedes used. They just published two times. A 6:48 and a 6:43. The latter was simply done so that it compared to older times.
A Chinese 4-door sedan beat the GTD, so I wouldn't get too excited.
Who?
what car are u talking about?
@@harshidp6373
He most likely smoking weed
Sure pal…..using a stopwatch made by Temu.
@@MrHemikid426 1500hp EV Prototype they said they never build vs 800hp ICE production car. Great comparison 🤡
GT3RS 6:49.328 at the longer configuration. P.S. The Blk Series was actually with damp conditions not that slow "Mustang"
Go back to kindergarten... The temperature was 60° f + Dew Point of 60 = saturated air and condensation on track surface 👍
@@chrismathes3647
Stick to facts and what you posted elsewhere - we can all look up the conditions at the time. Now you claim a humidity of 100%.
Just give it a rest. You are the one who who might want to just sit down and let the adults talk.
@@chrismathes3647 The amount of times you have replied to different users with the same thing makes me believe you need to go back to kindergarten!
None of that matters. For 325k this car should be so much more. 😳
Welll, actually....this was discussed by Meisha and he brought this up, but also pointed out that the porsches did it with less horsepower. All things being equal, this should be taken into account.
Lol the fact that they are struggling to beat a car with 500hp is crazy
Nurburgring is not about hp..
@@Luke-cb3ly
How many laps have you ran on it? Me? At least 1000.
No difference in my take on it. It is still not as fast as the GT3RS, and for that price, it's just not good enough.
Can I also point out that this is not the first time Ford is at the Ring. The 350R was tested there, the GT was tested there etc. Ford know the ring very well.
Congrats. It’s a 400k mustang with a shit-hot ring lap time let’s keep track of how many see a lap at “the ring” or any other track. It out-prices every comparable lap time holder. 5 years from now 85% of them will have delivery miles and be for sale for a million bucks. And it’ll still be a mustang.
Yeah. I love my Mach 1, but I gotta say the GTD looks goofy and is waaaaaaayyy too expensive for the performance . I don’t really see why the ford GT is so expensive and sells either. It’s just a ford
Here's a novel idea actually COMPARE prices lmao 🤣.
GTD 300k to start
AMG GT BLACK 325k
GT3 RS base 220k
GT3 RS MR 420K
Lamborghini SVJ 500K
Huracan is 325-400K
Lol, idk how you can't understand simple numbers
@@chrismathes3647each and everyone of those cars you listed is substantially faster
The competition is similarly priced or more expensive
@ 992 GT3rs msrp is 223,800. GTD MSRP IS 345,000. Not similar
😂😂😂😂😂 please stop…. Just get a grip… the gtd isn’t faster than those other cars…. Ford guys are HELL…. JUST STOP 😂😂😂😂😂
Ok 💩🧠