I continue to be amazed that so many people can enjoy what is essentially a digital lecture and commentary with very little gameplay 😅 you all are awesome and your curiosity about this stuff is wonderful to see. So excited to keep going! 💙
Imagine how the world would be if more lectures were formatted like this! This is a great way to show what therapy is like to people that may have not given it a chance before.
I listen to multi hour lectures on the intricacies of Austria-Hungarian politics and it’s role in starting WW1 because I’m bored at work, don’t worry about it too much.
"What was I doing?" And then gets immediately derailed by the Frittte girl for another twenty minutes, lmao. All jokes aside, the explanation of CBT and the talk about the Frittte girl were super interesting.
honestly I really appreciate seeing stuff like CBT laid out in the context of a character like this, I've had trouble with CBT techniques historically, but having someone say "here's a framework that exists" rather than "here's a framework you must use" is a lot less pressure
Time for CBT! Get those trousers off, Harry! (C'mon, you know that was gonna be the first joke) (Both things can be good for your mental health, depending on your personality)
I never thought much of Frittte girl but the simulated dialogue you had with her in your hypothetical session instantly sucked me in and made me realize I could relate to her struggle on a very personal. The motivational interviewing section in particular made me very emotional. Now that I think of it, I don't think anyone has ever bothered to take the time to ask or care about who I am or what I want out of my life. I have watched a LOT of psychology content to educate myself and heal from my traumatic upbringing and yet this video has been the single most helpful I've watched. No contest. You have not only provided an excellent explanation for understanding and applying the process of CBT and various other psychological techniques using clear diagrams but also an insightful and entertaining playthrough of one of the most brilliantly written thought-provoking games I have ever played. Thank you for the amazing content, Brady! Please keep it up!
I find it so funny that anglophones use "how are you?" as a small talk, and then are suprised when Polish people (and propably other fellow slavs), are like "it sucks, and i hate this day :/", and propably a whole tangent abiut it. You asked fellas and you will get the anwer xD
Even if this playthrough was just your regular playing it'd still be one of my favourite series on TH-cam, but your in-depth analysis and therapeutic and psychological breakdowns elevates it to an even higher level Thank you for being you Brady
56:41 : Brady: So, How's your day going? Rhetoric(Formidable: Failure): He's just keeping simple conversation with you Suggestion: Yeah, just say what he wants to hear Client: I am alright. After entering the session/therapy room Inland Empire: When you take the step to entering room you feel less *vulnurable* Drama (Regular: success): Your mask mimics leaving their positions, sire. Brady: What's going on lately? Empathy: You can be honest with him. He wants your goodness. Authority: NO! You wil belittle yourself! Volition: Don't listen the egomaniac, just say what you want. He is your therapist, he will not judge you whatever you might say. Client: OMG! Things are awful.
PLEASE keep talking! If I JUST wanted to watch gameplay I would have played myself or watched someone without all this insight. All these psychological tangents is the reason I watch these!
Hi Brady, I really like the whiteboard part in your video. It reminds me of when I was struggling with mental issues. Like you mentioned how CBT can help patients help themselves…There’s one time my depression/anxiety attacked, I wrote down all my thoughts at that time on a paper -clear, chaotic, extreme, calm-from as objective a perspective as possible (I felt there was a part of me calmly analyzing my thoughts from above during that time haha). No one taught me to do this, I thought it was my survival instinct. Unfortunately, I took it to my therapist (she wasn’t actually a real therapist, but for complex reasons, she was my only option at the time) and she didn't respond effectively to my notes, which made me feel useless and hopeless, and things got worse…what I want to express is that I think our brains try to save/heal us, and a therapist can be a crucial guide. So thanks again for all your sharing and your work.🥰
It is interesting that the different parts of yourself like half light are considered skills in the game with points you put into to make them stronger. But those survival skills like half light or suggestion or drama or inner empire can lead you astray if you follow them without considering what you actually want and should do. Volition is that voice that says hey you got this you can do what you want to do you dont got to listen to all those guys all the time because you are the one in control of your self
To be fair, Volition can also lead you astray. At points he tries to steer you away from the other skills, when you can trust them. Even Volition is not a hundred percent reliable.
I'm a pharmacist who works in mental health. The analogy I like to use is that if you're drowning, then medication is the life-ring, and therapy is learning to swim. Both help in their own way, and both together can keep you afloat better than either alone.
sweet christ....your breakdown of fritte girl just decribed to a t my job related mental health issues. the tedium, the being assiled by the most negative thoughts....good job man. im really enjoying this series
The CBT discussion has really helped me with a story I'm currently working on. It's helping me get into my protagonists thoughts and behaviours, makes them feel more rounded and three-dimensional. Making my writing even more fun. This series is really good.
You know Euro. Some parts into this playthrough, your levels of deeply looking into the game, got a bit tiring for me. But I'm starting to really appreciate your perspective. And I gotta say, after some 5 odd play throughs of this game and watching several, let's play series. I'm thankful for your perspective. It's peeling back another layer for me that i hadn't considered before. I'm very excited to see you continue.
Feel very similar. Especially because his perspective is almost the opposite of mine, which is very political. It's definitely made me appreciate the game's writing even more.
I can’t thank you enough for this one specifically. It made me start a cbt journal on my notes, and that already gave me great insights I was near grasping. It came at a great time because I really have been fealing disconnected from my emotions and didn’t know how to look at them more closely.
"I want to pull Frittte girl out of here" Have you considered..... Communism? Jokes aside, your breakdown of how these kinds of jobs can alienate and wreck your mental health is actually a big part of what Marx talked about. Or Kras Masov in this universe, I guess.
damn man, that CBT explanation section was amazing! as someone who's sort of had a bit of a negative/unhelpful experience with it in the past, I had sorta brushed it off as anything particularly effective but the way you explained it was so informative and clear that its actually made me completely reconsider the way I look at it. could listen to you talk about that stuff for hours, your playthrough is so fun!!
This video actually somehow rehabilitated CBT in my eyes I think. I don't like feeling that I'm being steered without any explanation coming my way, so the way I got to experience and understand it with psychologists gave me a really bad view of it. Also - gawd that was a lot of information. I love it! :D
Volition is honestly my favorite skill in the game, by far. I always like to frame it as your inner supportive father figure (or therapist, now that I think about it) that can be harsh and direct with you at times, but ultimately has nothing but your best interest at heart. It is the force that gives you the internal pep talk you need whenever the world and your inner workings are overwhelming you. It also has some of the most emotional and cathartic dialogue lines in the game that I still occasionally listen to when I feel like I need one of those pep talks myself.
I really enjoy your lectures. I've played this game at least 10 times, I love the story of it and I always love to see new insights into these characters and their world.
Moralism is more the “rules-based international order”- Elysium’s equivalent of the United Nations and the European Union. It has its own name in this game because it isn’t defined by an “ism” in our world- part of its way to paint itself as above ideology entirely. Much like the player in games like these does when they pick the politically neutral option!
It's actually pretty close to the neoliberal end of the liberal spectrum in the U.S. High flown ideals but incrementalism in terms of actual policy. But it goes by different names in different places. It's actually the ground most people stand on when they say they're "not political."
@@chimaxxI've seen people compare what happened in Revachol to the US involvement in Kosovo for that exact reason. "Morals" are a mask they use to justify what they're doing riiiight up until the end.
I think the reason is partly because she is so non-instrumental to the story. There is less of the game's own interpretation about her character to work with, and in a game where everyone else is so deeply fleshed out, I find that interesting and worthy of exploration!
@@eurobrady For what it's worth shitty retail jobs ARE soul destroying. I definitely related to what you said about her having worked some awful jobs myself
I am usually a few days behind on these, but it's worth every second. Your explanations are more meaningful than just reading lecture books and actually relatable. (at least compared to the therapists I tried thus far)
33:23 I do in fact use that. I have, on multiple occasions, asked myself what Volition would say, because Volition is my favorite skill, and it is often when I need it most. It has brought me to tears to hear my inner voice comfort me like that. This game really changed my life.
Loving the series so far Brady! Loving the insightful commentary that helps to gaze into not only our main protagonist’s mind, but perhaps even ourselves. Only do this if you’re feeling it though! Personal enjoyment weighs more than placating others!
It is a little amusing that not trying to engage with the political option is actually making your character a moralist in the game. You don't really get to avoid politics in this game. It's kinds like real life in that way tho
2nd DE playthrough I've watched, after Woolie/Reggie, and this is fantastic Brady. Personally I would love for the deep analysis - like with the whiteboard and stuff- to be bifurcated in a separate video, as you did after the first episode, but I'll be watching regardless of what you choose. Keep it up!
Yeah I agree, I still have some more substantial analyses that I want to make separate to the playthrough. I think it's also nicer that way as something that may be interesting to a broader audience isn't sandwiched in a long let's play. I'll keep working on the format but thank you for enjoying in the meantime!
37:03 "through no fault of my own, through a process of maladaptive thinking I've developed a core belief and I want to change that core belief" hit so hard, I had to pause the video and reflect. not so long ago I did discover that I developed a core belief that was actively harming me but I kept blaming myself for my own stupidity for that. when you said this line, I felt the same way as when it was exposed to me that I had that core belief. thank you for this video, it's wonderful and u got me completely hooked on ur self-therapy-sessions
Your videos are making me miss school. I (essentially) have a BS in psychology, and I want to go more but my grades just weren't good enough at the time. I want to actually do therapy. The Learning and Cognition courses were my favorite.
Oh my God man you’re so close to one of my favorite parts in the whole game. I can’t wait to year and a half hour explanation you got prepared for it it’s so sad I cry every time this is a great play through of Disco Elysium to be fair I have autism, so I’m not the common man out here Take my opinion with a grain of salt
I love your insight to the mind of overworked retail workers but God it's so hilarious watching your rant about the Frittte girl's life while full blasting her in the face with a flashlight
51:30 : Speaking from experience, menial tasks just means you're doing something you hate *and* can't shut off or distract your brain. You start dissociating, which doesn't help, because now you're stuck watching the boring task through an old television instead.
I hope you have a community follow up at the end, there's a thought in the cabinet that absolutely hits me in the feels every time I read it, but you might not see it? And I'm curious for your thoughts
As someone who's had experience with visual coding in game design, your format in terms of your discussion of CBT resonated with me. There are strings of logic that have parallels in terms of cause and effect (I implore you do an image web search for visual coding, and I think it'll provide an easy way to understand if you're interested). The recontextualizing is an enlightening one. This game is remarkable in the ways it approaches human relationships in many forms. Ms Frittte is an interesting look into an individual and their environment. Thanks again for your reactions and insight 👍
Damn, your analysis of living through a life strained by poverty and struggling to live through it emotionally is spot on. The Fritters clerk analysis.
Volition: I shouldn't keep telling people to fuck off Brady: Okay ...30 mins later... passes lorry driver Brady: Fuck you. Who you REALLY listening to Brady?
Loving the series, man! Very interesting to see how, as a therapist, youre analyzing and going through the game so differently than me. Im a communist, and this game was extremely formative for me because of that. One of the rawest interactions with your rhetoric skill is this: "Wait, first -- what's this *communism* actually about?" "Failure. It's about failure." "I don't do failure." "Of course you do! You *are* failure, you *are* Communism. Absolutely vanquished, beaten, curb stomped, shat on. While everyone else is out partying, having a callous laugh, *you* will reverse the fortune of the workers of the world." That brutal honesty, and what the game proceeds to do with it, to actually be hopeful will stay with me as a lesson until the day I die.
@@Z3r0Sk83r oh yeah, it's very obvious lmao. But I'm personally a big believer that politics can enhance art, so I don't see it as a problem, since they're honest about their views.
I love that you tackle different therapeutic approaches. For me it's a sense of curiosity, intellectual maturity and most of all modesty, it reminds me i should not be content with "what i know/believe". Also i did not know a lot about narrative psychology, it's really new where i am from (France), and i am really drawn to it, probably because it feels very new to have this kind of sociological view. (I might be completely wrong on this, please correct me if so haha).
Absolutely loved this episode, made me wonder if I should ask my therapist about CBT. I'm a very solution oriented person so it really really clicked with me seeing you explain it
There is something very funny about how you start out with "let's just get some money from frittte and then debrief with Kim ... and then seeing that the debrief scene in the next episodes Picture xD Great Episode though
I dont know if you read these comments, but ive always wanted to ask a psychologist/therapist this question. Do thoughts create feelings/emotions or does a general emotional state equate to the thoughts one thinks? For example, if im in an emotional state of happiness and I have a thought that is contrary to my emotional state, I usually would not identify with the thought - taking a more observational approach. I guess my question is, do thoughts create emotions or does an emotion (emotional state) create thoughts? Anxiety is a physical sensation, that causes more anxious thoughts (am I dying, what if this, what if that happens). Maybe the two happen on a similar level / time frame
not a psychologist/therapist, but the fun part of cbt is that thoughts, emotions, and behaviors all feed into *each other* as a cycle. When you're in a negative mood, you're more likely to think negative thoughts. These negative thoughts might make you feel negative emotions. these negative emotions might make you do negative things. doing negative things reinforces the negative mood and encourages further negative thoughts. it all feeds into each other, your thoughts feed into your emotion and your emotion feeds into your thoughts and it all affects your behavior and mood. Brady laid them out in a row, but it's better to picture it as the Cognitive Triangle (google it! it's a handy visual for understanding this stuff), with each corner being thoughts, emotions, and behaviors. one of the most important lessons from CBT is that, when you're able to make the effort to change your thoughts, it leads into a *positive* feedback loop where your more positive thoughts slowly influence your feelings and your behavior and make them more positive, making it easier to think the more positive or helpful or even just neutral thoughts.
@@stocking283 thank you for this explanation, this makes sense. I think something worth noting when it comes to what is affecting what or what comes first (behavior, thought, emotion) is that it all depends on how much you identify with the general state you're in or identifying with and how strongly your belief in that is. If I'm out at an amusement park with my friends, and I have a thought "My friends just pretend to like me". Is this thought a result of my general patterning in life or underlying beliefs? If I'm in a 'good enough' state, and I identify myself as someone who is confident with secure relationships this thought wouldn't affect me. However, ( Iguess this is where underlying beliefs come in) if I identify with a state consistent of insecurity I would be affected by it more. Any material you could recommend on this? Thanks in advance,
Good question! I'd say that they do exist on a kind of continuum, meaning that somewhere in the chain I may make a behavior which gives me an emotion which I have thoughts about. But where did that original behavior come from? We don't really just do things without reason, even if the reason is completely unconscious to us. The cognitive model suggests that thoughts begin this chain reaction, and that whatever emotional state we end up in does create new thoughts, emotions, and behaviors, but we ended up in that state due to some original thought causing an emotion and then a behavioral reaction to it. I personally think that being definitive about where this all originates from is mostly an academic issue. For the purpose of therapy, our goal is to understand a certain range of things around a "problem behavior" which we are trying to change, or an emotion that we are trying to understand, or a pattern of thoughts we are trying to alter. So we work outwards from there and explore it up to the point where it is effective for changing the thing we're focused on. Then, we might explore deeper and find an origin point for more context and that's where we can start changing core beliefs and schemas.
@@eurobrady Yeah I concur with this statement. I'm no psychologist by any means but I read a lot of philosophy and thus politics. Practical psychology is not about finding answers to the 'mysteries of the mind/universe', but rather helping people on the ground and in real world situations. Because as much as I believe in Dialectal Materialism, it still is just theory. Just like scientific theories even though there's a lot of evidence to support these ideas, there's no fundamental way to provide 'hard proof'.
Yo, this playthrough is the deepest i've seen so far. You barely did stuff on the game but you dive so deep that i truly feel like learning psychology -as in a class / extra course - . Thanks and keep up. Raphael journey will be a great one
For what its worth, Garte will charge you as much as 160 Real for all the damage you did to your room, you got it down to 100 real, i think the lowest iv seen is 40 real (or was it 60), for your previous 2 nights spent at the place.
Your approach is pretty unique for a playthrough for Disco Elysium, there's nothing else quite like this. Sure, some streamers interpret the game through personal knowledge bases or perspectives, but no one else stops for a lecture, to make a clear point that connects directly to what's happening in the game. And it's impressive this has worked without having advance knowledge of how some things are going to play out. Something you might consider is, moving a bit away from a pure blind playthrough. It might better serve the novelty you're able to bring to discussions around the game. You're extremely good at improvising a discussion about a topic the game brings to the fore and it makes me wonder how good you'd be if you had the spacing of some time to think about and organize what you have to say. Albeit, this would probably be more work on your part. A significant downside But it could be not much work if, say, someone you know or in your community who you trust, who knows the game well, gave you some general guideposts about events in the immediate future. Give you a sense in advance of the therapeutically interesting things that can unfold if you went over here, focused on this task, talk this particular NPC, etc. If you had that in advance you could prep what you might want to say (on the presumption you might have even more to say about some places in the game, if you weren't under the pressure of piecing together thoughts live). Or even, play sections of the game offline and then comment over your recording. Because... usually the point of a blind playthrough, the appealing thing about it, is seeing someone being, literally, reactive to what's happening. But you aren't situating yourself like that, your pose is very much on top of what's happening in the present of the narrative and dissecting it. Just an idea. Great content so far
I feel next part of the play throughout you would like a lot. Also, you need to heal your character's moral and health. Your stats are lower because of it
In a way, I could see that this game will make someone like you think about politics like it makes other people think about the therapeutic aspects which might be more foreign to them. In fact, this already happened a bit with the second take you bad to consider about Kim's perspective on racism, which informed you politically, whether you realized that or not. This is a part of this game's genius, it is truly interdisciplinary. When I first played through it, I skilled on conceptualisation and learned a lot about art.
I would hazard to guess that most of us here have already played the game, and we want more. We could go watch any ol' person's playthrough and laugh at all the wacky stuff, but there are precious few insightful and analytical playsthrough.
RE: the conversation about people just saying "I'm fine" out of politeness This is one of the things I find interesting about culture, as I'm learning a new language. When I speak in English, I give the polite little "I'm fine" like everyone else, but when I'm speaking Yiddish, I'm expected to not hold back. And even speaking English around other Jews, I'm more likely to tell them exactly how I'm feeling rather than to go into the platitudes. It really is very freeing to just give an honest reply like that and more cultures should expect that and give room for it.
Last time I was this invested in any video game playthrough was a very long time ago! Always look forward to new parts to this playthrough and also the psychological analysis you do. So far in your playthrough, how would you rank this game?:-D
Would you be interested in playing Psychonauts in the future? It's a 3D platformer collect-a-thon with the premise that each level is a metaphorical representation of a character's inner psychological framework and worldview.
34:50 If we're stopping like this every time electrochemistry tells us (...) we're here for another half year Video posted 5 months ago. Playlist updated yesterday. 🤔
I'm just starting the vid but i'm so excited for you to meet other characters who I think (maybe they're not) are very interesting psicology wise. And do you intend to do most major side quests? Because in day 3 I think you could lock yourself out of one, I did on my first playtrough, so hopefully people can subtly guide you there.
Wow, I had a therapist a decade or more ago who suggested I try CBT as therapy for my depression. And she did NOT explain it anything like what you describe in this video. What she described was to the effect of "when you catch yourself feeling negative thoughts, tell yourself those aren't right and try to think happy thoughts instead! And over time you'll naturally start thinking positive things instead of negative ones." Fake it till you make it but for mental health. She was also completely disinterested in actually engaging with me for the process, this was to be homework for ME to do, not an exercise to do WITH me. Bad therapists have, I think it's fair to say, severely negatively colored my perception of the profession regarding its ability to handle matters beyond basic counseling and deal with serious mental health issues.
I thought this was a very insightful episode with a lot of complex ideas being explained succinctly and clearly. As for the question of how you are doing? I have started to answer Mediocre, adequate, within the standard deviation of acceptability. Its strange to see how people treat a more neutral answer as being bad when you dont answer in an affirmative way.
33:46 aand that's what I can't do. When I am starting to "think" it's immediately sends me into a panic attack. I tried to deal with those things, but it's hard. Fortunately I've got help in a face of a consistent psychologist. With their help I've got better. Unfortunately for a quite some time now I can't go to therapy. It's sucks, 'cause I can't go further than where I am right now. I have some technics to deal with my day to day routine. They're not the best, but I'm sure I'll have some time in the future to fix that with my future psychologist or therapist.
There’s a LOT of assumptions about missing context in the whole Fritttes girl situation. For all we know, she already found self-actualization and is the happiest, most content person in town. She clearly has her own interests, never said she hated her job (only specifically the hat, which makes sense for someone interested in fashion), and engages in our very exoteric conversation about the world and mankind and economics to a point, despite clearly having no particular interest on it or in us. Also, from the job pool available, she has a sweet gig. Most of the town works at the harbor, currently on strike or is trying to scab said strike out of desperation (which makes them actually unemployed), or is straight up homeless. Her lack of conversation and dialog can be explained much more easily from the context we know than from some hypothetical dire family life or despairing routine. We are a strange, an outsider in a very insular community, who is also a cop in a place where the people explicitly don’t like cops, who has also been raising hell very loudly and destructively for the last 3 days, and we approach her at work and start asking non-sense questions. She’s downright charming with how she treats us given the circumstances. Meanwhile, the straight up neglected little girl made to work in the cold streets in front of the library you very deliberately ignored.
Perhaps random but now I'm super interested in a tritagonist model for a story, someone who is in touch with two of the three of their behaviour/emotions/thoughts respectively and how they act as foils to each other.
![[Disco Elysium] Getting Kim to wear the Pissf****t jacket](/img/n.gif)
I continue to be amazed that so many people can enjoy what is essentially a digital lecture and commentary with very little gameplay 😅 you all are awesome and your curiosity about this stuff is wonderful to see. So excited to keep going! 💙
Imagine how the world would be if more lectures were formatted like this!
This is a great way to show what therapy is like to people that may have not given it a chance before.
Thank you! I'm a pretty visual learner myself so I tend to try to explain things that way as well 😊
I listen to multi hour lectures on the intricacies of Austria-Hungarian politics and it’s role in starting WW1 because I’m bored at work, don’t worry about it too much.
It’s fascinating to see and chew on your perspective to the writing of the game c: Thank you for continuing!
I love what you do!
ENCYCLOPEDIA [Medium: Failure] - CBT? That stands for... Hmm...
ELECTROCHEMISTRY [Easy: Success] - Oh, come on. You KNOW what it stands for.
"I don't think I would do CBT with Frittte girl" is a sentence I don't think any other let's play of this game has arrived at.
I spilled my drink with this one 🤣
"What was I doing?"
And then gets immediately derailed by the Frittte girl for another twenty minutes, lmao.
All jokes aside, the explanation of CBT and the talk about the Frittte girl were super interesting.
honestly I really appreciate seeing stuff like CBT laid out in the context of a character like this, I've had trouble with CBT techniques historically, but having someone say "here's a framework that exists" rather than "here's a framework you must use" is a lot less pressure
I've had trouble with CBT techniques before as well, but after talking with my partner we worked out an appropriate level of intensity.
I think I read a ff where Kim fixed Harry with CBT…
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Sauce? (Both context welcome)
Time for CBT! Get those trousers off, Harry!
(C'mon, you know that was gonna be the first joke)
(Both things can be good for your mental health, depending on your personality)
I love it when gaming companies advertise that they're about to have a Closed Beta Test
Well, look who put all their points into electrochemistry.
booooooooooooooooooo
Harry's Pain Threshold IS reasonably high...
the pink-red icon really adds to this comment
Despite all the playing you've been doing, only 0.0001% of this playthrough has been built.
"Instead of building a playthrough, he now builds a precise model of the Frittte clerk's tragic, apathy-riddled mind."
I never thought much of Frittte girl but the simulated dialogue you had with her in your hypothetical session instantly sucked me in and made me realize I could relate to her struggle on a very personal. The motivational interviewing section in particular made me very emotional. Now that I think of it, I don't think anyone has ever bothered to take the time to ask or care about who I am or what I want out of my life.
I have watched a LOT of psychology content to educate myself and heal from my traumatic upbringing and yet this video has been the single most helpful I've watched. No contest.
You have not only provided an excellent explanation for understanding and applying the process of CBT and various other psychological techniques using clear diagrams but also an insightful and entertaining playthrough of one of the most brilliantly written thought-provoking games I have ever played.
Thank you for the amazing content, Brady! Please keep it up!
I find it so funny that anglophones use "how are you?" as a small talk, and then are suprised when Polish people (and propably other fellow slavs), are like "it sucks, and i hate this day :/", and propably a whole tangent abiut it. You asked fellas and you will get the anwer xD
Damn my man went full Mazovian Socio-economist there at the end.
Even if this playthrough was just your regular playing it'd still be one of my favourite series on TH-cam, but your in-depth analysis and therapeutic and psychological breakdowns elevates it to an even higher level
Thank you for being you Brady
56:41 :
Brady: So, How's your day going?
Rhetoric(Formidable: Failure): He's just keeping simple conversation with you
Suggestion: Yeah, just say what he wants to hear
Client: I am alright.
After entering the session/therapy room
Inland Empire: When you take the step to entering room you feel less *vulnurable*
Drama (Regular: success): Your mask mimics leaving their positions, sire.
Brady: What's going on lately?
Empathy: You can be honest with him. He wants your goodness.
Authority: NO! You wil belittle yourself!
Volition: Don't listen the egomaniac, just say what you want. He is your therapist, he will not judge you whatever you might say.
Client: OMG! Things are awful.
PLEASE keep talking! If I JUST wanted to watch gameplay I would have played myself or watched someone without all this insight. All these psychological tangents is the reason I watch these!
"I do not practice CBT religiously" bro I hope not for your sake bro lol 😂
Hi Brady, I really like the whiteboard part in your video. It reminds me of when I was struggling with mental issues. Like you mentioned how CBT can help patients help themselves…There’s one time my depression/anxiety attacked, I wrote down all my thoughts at that time on a paper -clear, chaotic, extreme, calm-from as objective a perspective as possible (I felt there was a part of me calmly analyzing my thoughts from above during that time haha). No one taught me to do this, I thought it was my survival instinct. Unfortunately, I took it to my therapist (she wasn’t actually a real therapist, but for complex reasons, she was my only option at the time) and she didn't respond effectively to my notes, which made me feel useless and hopeless, and things got worse…what I want to express is that I think our brains try to save/heal us, and a therapist can be a crucial guide. So thanks again for all your sharing and your work.🥰
It is interesting that the different parts of yourself like half light are considered skills in the game with points you put into to make them stronger. But those survival skills like half light or suggestion or drama or inner empire can lead you astray if you follow them without considering what you actually want and should do. Volition is that voice that says hey you got this you can do what you want to do you dont got to listen to all those guys all the time because you are the one in control of your self
To be fair, Volition can also lead you astray. At points he tries to steer you away from the other skills, when you can trust them. Even Volition is not a hundred percent reliable.
This was both incredibly insightful in explaining CBT, as well as THE LATTER MINUTES BEING THE MOST TENSE MINUTES IVE EXPERIENCED IN A MINUTE
I'm a pharmacist who works in mental health. The analogy I like to use is that if you're drowning, then medication is the life-ring, and therapy is learning to swim. Both help in their own way, and both together can keep you afloat better than either alone.
I got volition tattoo a month ago, it reminds me to push myself and get my shit together
sweet christ....your breakdown of fritte girl just decribed to a t my job related mental health issues. the tedium, the being assiled by the most negative thoughts....good job man. im really enjoying this series
12:30 lecture on CBT begins.
i literally say i don’t know a lot and i would never expect hearing/ thinking why during a gameplay video
The CBT discussion has really helped me with a story I'm currently working on. It's helping me get into my protagonists thoughts and behaviours, makes them feel more rounded and three-dimensional. Making my writing even more fun. This series is really good.
I'm so invested in frittte girl's therapy sessions now. let's move into the better world where she's getting that support.
You know Euro. Some parts into this playthrough, your levels of deeply looking into the game, got a bit tiring for me.
But I'm starting to really appreciate your perspective. And I gotta say, after some 5 odd play throughs of this game and watching several, let's play series. I'm thankful for your perspective. It's peeling back another layer for me that i hadn't considered before. I'm very excited to see you continue.
Feel very similar. Especially because his perspective is almost the opposite of mine, which is very political. It's definitely made me appreciate the game's writing even more.
I can’t thank you enough for this one specifically. It made me start a cbt journal on my notes, and that already gave me great insights I was near grasping. It came at a great time because I really have been fealing disconnected from my emotions and didn’t know how to look at them more closely.
"I want to pull Frittte girl out of here"
Have you considered..... Communism?
Jokes aside, your breakdown of how these kinds of jobs can alienate and wreck your mental health is actually a big part of what Marx talked about.
Or Kras Masov in this universe, I guess.
damn man, that CBT explanation section was amazing! as someone who's sort of had a bit of a negative/unhelpful experience with it in the past, I had sorta brushed it off as anything particularly effective but the way you explained it was so informative and clear that its actually made me completely reconsider the way I look at it. could listen to you talk about that stuff for hours, your playthrough is so fun!!
Open that container and get MUCH richer :)
This video actually somehow rehabilitated CBT in my eyes I think. I don't like feeling that I'm being steered without any explanation coming my way, so the way I got to experience and understand it with psychologists gave me a really bad view of it. Also - gawd that was a lot of information. I love it! :D
Volition is honestly my favorite skill in the game, by far. I always like to frame it as your inner supportive father figure (or therapist, now that I think about it) that can be harsh and direct with you at times, but ultimately has nothing but your best interest at heart. It is the force that gives you the internal pep talk you need whenever the world and your inner workings are overwhelming you.
It also has some of the most emotional and cathartic dialogue lines in the game that I still occasionally listen to when I feel like I need one of those pep talks myself.
Honestly watching your videos on this game has made me understand my addictions more clearly.
I really enjoy your lectures. I've played this game at least 10 times, I love the story of it and I always love to see new insights into these characters and their world.
Moralism is more the “rules-based international order”- Elysium’s equivalent of the United Nations and the European Union. It has its own name in this game because it isn’t defined by an “ism” in our world- part of its way to paint itself as above ideology entirely. Much like the player in games like these does when they pick the politically neutral option!
It's actually pretty close to the neoliberal end of the liberal spectrum in the U.S. High flown ideals but incrementalism in terms of actual policy. But it goes by different names in different places. It's actually the ground most people stand on when they say they're "not political."
@@chimaxxI've seen people compare what happened in Revachol to the US involvement in Kosovo for that exact reason.
"Morals" are a mask they use to justify what they're doing riiiight up until the end.
How have I never seen the idle animation before I am dying 😂😂😂
the internet ruined me and my perception of CBT
What emotionally drives you to Fritte girl so much? What do you see specifically in her that you’re not seeing in other characters?
Brady obsessed with the most forgettable character in the game. Did you work retail before you got into therapy Brady? Is that what it is? 😂
I think the reason is partly because she is so non-instrumental to the story. There is less of the game's own interpretation about her character to work with, and in a game where everyone else is so deeply fleshed out, I find that interesting and worthy of exploration!
@@LiamWhittle-tm7yo I would say there are some far more forgettable characters in the game but they are so forgettable that you forgot about them
@@eurobrady For what it's worth shitty retail jobs ARE soul destroying. I definitely related to what you said about her having worked some awful jobs myself
Unformed narrative clay for molding.
Loved your CBT breakdown, narrative psychology overview, and your deconstruction of Fritte Girl. Keep it up!
The analysis of Frittte Girl hit home hard with me. "It's so heartbreaking." You said it, chief.
Hell yeah. I love CBT.
I am usually a few days behind on these, but it's worth every second. Your explanations are more meaningful than just reading lecture books and actually relatable. (at least compared to the therapists I tried thus far)
As a psyche student myself, yes. CBT's abbreviation is *exactly* what comes to mind and you have to interface with it in almost every class...
I have really enjoyed every episode so far, but this is the first one I genuinely needed.
33:23
I do in fact use that. I have, on multiple occasions, asked myself what Volition would say, because Volition is my favorite skill, and it is often when I need it most. It has brought me to tears to hear my inner voice comfort me like that. This game really changed my life.
Loving the series so far Brady! Loving the insightful commentary that helps to gaze into not only our main protagonist’s mind, but perhaps even ourselves.
Only do this if you’re feeling it though! Personal enjoyment weighs more than placating others!
The analysis in this series is fascinating. Thanks for doing this Brady
It is a little amusing that not trying to engage with the political option is actually making your character a moralist in the game. You don't really get to avoid politics in this game. It's kinds like real life in that way tho
2nd DE playthrough I've watched, after Woolie/Reggie, and this is fantastic Brady. Personally I would love for the deep analysis - like with the whiteboard and stuff- to be bifurcated in a separate video, as you did after the first episode, but I'll be watching regardless of what you choose. Keep it up!
Yeah I agree, I still have some more substantial analyses that I want to make separate to the playthrough. I think it's also nicer that way as something that may be interesting to a broader audience isn't sandwiched in a long let's play. I'll keep working on the format but thank you for enjoying in the meantime!
37:03 "through no fault of my own, through a process of maladaptive thinking I've developed a core belief and I want to change that core belief" hit so hard, I had to pause the video and reflect. not so long ago I did discover that I developed a core belief that was actively harming me but I kept blaming myself for my own stupidity for that. when you said this line, I felt the same way as when it was exposed to me that I had that core belief. thank you for this video, it's wonderful and u got me completely hooked on ur self-therapy-sessions
i've been watching this whole series and have even rewatched some videos, i really love it. thanks for providing your unique insight
Crazy that you don't have more viewers. You do amazing content
Your videos are making me miss school. I (essentially) have a BS in psychology, and I want to go more but my grades just weren't good enough at the time. I want to actually do therapy. The Learning and Cognition courses were my favorite.
Oh my God man you’re so close to one of my favorite parts in the whole game. I can’t wait to year and a half hour explanation you got prepared for it it’s so sad I cry every time this is a great play through of Disco Elysium to be fair I have autism, so I’m not the common man out here Take my opinion with a grain of salt
@graffititurtle9035 the dream sequence at the end of day 2 it happens to everyone at the same time
I love your insight to the mind of overworked retail workers but God it's so hilarious watching your rant about the Frittte girl's life while full blasting her in the face with a flashlight
51:30 : Speaking from experience, menial tasks just means you're doing something you hate *and* can't shut off or distract your brain. You start dissociating, which doesn't help, because now you're stuck watching the boring task through an old television instead.
I hope you have a community follow up at the end, there's a thought in the cabinet that absolutely hits me in the feels every time I read it, but you might not see it? And I'm curious for your thoughts
What thought? I have quite a few amount of thoughts that make me really sit and think deeply.
@@gimpscam9976 One More Door :(
@@gimpscam9976 One More Door. :( Which ones get you?
There is a point in the game where Volition because a toxic, intrusive thought. It's a rare moment, but keep an eye out for it...
As someone who's had experience with visual coding in game design, your format in terms of your discussion of CBT resonated with me. There are strings of logic that have parallels in terms of cause and effect (I implore you do an image web search for visual coding, and I think it'll provide an easy way to understand if you're interested). The recontextualizing is an enlightening one. This game is remarkable in the ways it approaches human relationships in many forms. Ms Frittte is an interesting look into an individual and their environment. Thanks again for your reactions and insight 👍
Damn, your analysis of living through a life strained by poverty and struggling to live through it emotionally is spot on. The Fritters clerk analysis.
I've looked up some videos of CBT. Great recommendation. Very enlightening stuff. Very futuristic.
Volition: I shouldn't keep telling people to fuck off
Brady: Okay
...30 mins later... passes lorry driver
Brady: Fuck you.
Who you REALLY listening to Brady?
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Loving the series, man! Very interesting to see how, as a therapist, youre analyzing and going through the game so differently than me. Im a communist, and this game was extremely formative for me because of that. One of the rawest interactions with your rhetoric skill is this:
"Wait, first -- what's this *communism* actually about?"
"Failure. It's about failure."
"I don't do failure."
"Of course you do! You *are* failure, you *are* Communism. Absolutely vanquished, beaten, curb stomped, shat on. While everyone else is out partying, having a callous laugh, *you* will reverse the fortune of the workers of the world."
That brutal honesty, and what the game proceeds to do with it, to actually be hopeful will stay with me as a lesson until the day I die.
Between that and the communist vision quest, you can really tell it was written by communists lmao.
@@Z3r0Sk83r oh yeah, it's very obvious lmao. But I'm personally a big believer that politics can enhance art, so I don't see it as a problem, since they're honest about their views.
I love that you tackle different therapeutic approaches. For me it's a sense of curiosity, intellectual maturity and most of all modesty, it reminds me i should not be content with "what i know/believe".
Also i did not know a lot about narrative psychology, it's really new where i am from (France), and i am really drawn to it, probably because it feels very new to have this kind of sociological view. (I might be completely wrong on this, please correct me if so haha).
Wow, as novice narrative therapist I really enjoyed the lecture, thanks.
Absolutely loved this episode, made me wonder if I should ask my therapist about CBT. I'm a very solution oriented person so it really really clicked with me seeing you explain it
47:15 Her shift is eternal as her job is hell.
God damn this is actually getting interesting.
Don’t be afraid to take your time and explain your thoughts. That’s what makes this interesting for people who have already played the game.
Can't wait for next episode, you'll see a couple of the most impactful moments of the game😮
wait a second... im being tricked into more learning and therapy! but dammit, its fun!
Every time you said “CBT” I kept thinking “CBD” until I saw you write it down lol 😂😂😂
There is something very funny about how you start out with "let's just get some money from frittte and then debrief with Kim ... and then seeing that the debrief scene in the next episodes Picture xD
Great Episode though
This is so good, my electrochemistry is demanding longer episodes.
how funny is it that this comes out before i go back to therapy tomorrow
I dont know if you read these comments, but ive always wanted to ask a psychologist/therapist this question.
Do thoughts create feelings/emotions or does a general emotional state equate to the thoughts one thinks?
For example, if im in an emotional state of happiness and I have a thought that is contrary to my emotional state, I usually would not identify with the thought - taking a more observational approach.
I guess my question is, do thoughts create emotions or does an emotion (emotional state) create thoughts? Anxiety is a physical sensation, that causes more anxious thoughts (am I dying, what if this, what if that happens).
Maybe the two happen on a similar level / time frame
not a psychologist/therapist, but the fun part of cbt is that thoughts, emotions, and behaviors all feed into *each other* as a cycle. When you're in a negative mood, you're more likely to think negative thoughts. These negative thoughts might make you feel negative emotions. these negative emotions might make you do negative things. doing negative things reinforces the negative mood and encourages further negative thoughts. it all feeds into each other, your thoughts feed into your emotion and your emotion feeds into your thoughts and it all affects your behavior and mood. Brady laid them out in a row, but it's better to picture it as the Cognitive Triangle (google it! it's a handy visual for understanding this stuff), with each corner being thoughts, emotions, and behaviors. one of the most important lessons from CBT is that, when you're able to make the effort to change your thoughts, it leads into a *positive* feedback loop where your more positive thoughts slowly influence your feelings and your behavior and make them more positive, making it easier to think the more positive or helpful or even just neutral thoughts.
@@stocking283 thank you for this explanation, this makes sense. I think something worth noting when it comes to what is affecting what or what comes first (behavior, thought, emotion) is that it all depends on how much you identify with the general state you're in or identifying with and how strongly your belief in that is.
If I'm out at an amusement park with my friends, and I have a thought "My friends just pretend to like me". Is this thought a result of my general patterning in life or underlying beliefs? If I'm in a 'good enough' state, and I identify myself as someone who is confident with secure relationships this thought wouldn't affect me. However, ( Iguess this is where underlying beliefs come in) if I identify with a state consistent of insecurity I would be affected by it more.
Any material you could recommend on this?
Thanks in advance,
Good question! I'd say that they do exist on a kind of continuum, meaning that somewhere in the chain I may make a behavior which gives me an emotion which I have thoughts about. But where did that original behavior come from? We don't really just do things without reason, even if the reason is completely unconscious to us. The cognitive model suggests that thoughts begin this chain reaction, and that whatever emotional state we end up in does create new thoughts, emotions, and behaviors, but we ended up in that state due to some original thought causing an emotion and then a behavioral reaction to it.
I personally think that being definitive about where this all originates from is mostly an academic issue. For the purpose of therapy, our goal is to understand a certain range of things around a "problem behavior" which we are trying to change, or an emotion that we are trying to understand, or a pattern of thoughts we are trying to alter. So we work outwards from there and explore it up to the point where it is effective for changing the thing we're focused on. Then, we might explore deeper and find an origin point for more context and that's where we can start changing core beliefs and schemas.
@@eurobrady Yeah I concur with this statement. I'm no psychologist by any means but I read a lot of philosophy and thus politics. Practical psychology is not about finding answers to the 'mysteries of the mind/universe', but rather helping people on the ground and in real world situations. Because as much as I believe in Dialectal Materialism, it still is just theory. Just like scientific theories even though there's a lot of evidence to support these ideas, there's no fundamental way to provide 'hard proof'.
wow, thank you for telling about CBT
Yo, this playthrough is the deepest i've seen so far. You barely did stuff on the game but you dive so deep that i truly feel like learning psychology -as in a class / extra course - .
Thanks and keep up. Raphael journey will be a great one
For what its worth, Garte will charge you as much as 160 Real for all the damage you did to your room, you got it down to 100 real, i think the lowest iv seen is 40 real (or was it 60), for your previous 2 nights spent at the place.
Your approach is pretty unique for a playthrough for Disco Elysium, there's nothing else quite like this. Sure, some streamers interpret the game through personal knowledge bases or perspectives, but no one else stops for a lecture, to make a clear point that connects directly to what's happening in the game. And it's impressive this has worked without having advance knowledge of how some things are going to play out.
Something you might consider is, moving a bit away from a pure blind playthrough. It might better serve the novelty you're able to bring to discussions around the game. You're extremely good at improvising a discussion about a topic the game brings to the fore and it makes me wonder how good you'd be if you had the spacing of some time to think about and organize what you have to say.
Albeit, this would probably be more work on your part. A significant downside
But it could be not much work if, say, someone you know or in your community who you trust, who knows the game well, gave you some general guideposts about events in the immediate future. Give you a sense in advance of the therapeutically interesting things that can unfold if you went over here, focused on this task, talk this particular NPC, etc. If you had that in advance you could prep what you might want to say (on the presumption you might have even more to say about some places in the game, if you weren't under the pressure of piecing together thoughts live). Or even, play sections of the game offline and then comment over your recording. Because... usually the point of a blind playthrough, the appealing thing about it, is seeing someone being, literally, reactive to what's happening. But you aren't situating yourself like that, your pose is very much on top of what's happening in the present of the narrative and dissecting it.
Just an idea. Great content so far
I would be very interested to see a long video of what your thoughts are regarding all the different skills, and which one is your favorite
I feel next part of the play throughout you would like a lot.
Also, you need to heal your character's moral and health. Your stats are lower because of it
Ended up getting an entire lesson on CBT while I was cooking dinner. Thanks Brady
40:13 It's so funny that there's a thought with exactly the same name
In a way, I could see that this game will make someone like you think about politics like it makes other people think about the therapeutic aspects which might be more foreign to them. In fact, this already happened a bit with the second take you bad to consider about Kim's perspective on racism, which informed you politically, whether you realized that or not. This is a part of this game's genius, it is truly interdisciplinary. When I first played through it, I skilled on conceptualisation and learned a lot about art.
I would hazard to guess that most of us here have already played the game, and we want more. We could go watch any ol' person's playthrough and laugh at all the wacky stuff, but there are precious few insightful and analytical playsthrough.
RE: the conversation about people just saying "I'm fine" out of politeness
This is one of the things I find interesting about culture, as I'm learning a new language. When I speak in English, I give the polite little "I'm fine" like everyone else, but when I'm speaking Yiddish, I'm expected to not hold back. And even speaking English around other Jews, I'm more likely to tell them exactly how I'm feeling rather than to go into the platitudes. It really is very freeing to just give an honest reply like that and more cultures should expect that and give room for it.
Last time I was this invested in any video game playthrough was a very long time ago!
Always look forward to new parts to this playthrough and also the psychological analysis you do.
So far in your playthrough, how would you rank this game?:-D
Would you be interested in playing Psychonauts in the future? It's a 3D platformer collect-a-thon with the premise that each level is a metaphorical representation of a character's inner psychological framework and worldview.
34:50 If we're stopping like this every time electrochemistry tells us (...) we're here for another half year
Video posted 5 months ago.
Playlist updated yesterday.
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Look to Fritte girl makes me feel so bad, 'cause i do know how it is to be in her shoes and it rot your soul slowly and steady every day
CBT can fix anyone, true
I'm just starting the vid but i'm so excited for you to meet other characters who I think (maybe they're not) are very interesting psicology wise.
And do you intend to do most major side quests? Because in day 3 I think you could lock yourself out of one, I did on my first playtrough, so hopefully people can subtly guide you there.
Wow, I had a therapist a decade or more ago who suggested I try CBT as therapy for my depression. And she did NOT explain it anything like what you describe in this video. What she described was to the effect of "when you catch yourself feeling negative thoughts, tell yourself those aren't right and try to think happy thoughts instead! And over time you'll naturally start thinking positive things instead of negative ones." Fake it till you make it but for mental health. She was also completely disinterested in actually engaging with me for the process, this was to be homework for ME to do, not an exercise to do WITH me.
Bad therapists have, I think it's fair to say, severely negatively colored my perception of the profession regarding its ability to handle matters beyond basic counseling and deal with serious mental health issues.
I thought this was a very insightful episode with a lot of complex ideas being explained succinctly and clearly. As for the question of how you are doing? I have started to answer Mediocre, adequate, within the standard deviation of acceptability. Its strange to see how people treat a more neutral answer as being bad when you dont answer in an affirmative way.
Have you actually read the "solutions" in the though cabinet yet?
33:46 aand that's what I can't do. When I am starting to "think" it's immediately sends me into a panic attack. I tried to deal with those things, but it's hard. Fortunately I've got help in a face of a consistent psychologist. With their help I've got better. Unfortunately for a quite some time now I can't go to therapy. It's sucks, 'cause I can't go further than where I am right now. I have some technics to deal with my day to day routine. They're not the best, but I'm sure I'll have some time in the future to fix that with my future psychologist or therapist.
There’s a LOT of assumptions about missing context in the whole Fritttes girl situation. For all we know, she already found self-actualization and is the happiest, most content person in town. She clearly has her own interests, never said she hated her job (only specifically the hat, which makes sense for someone interested in fashion), and engages in our very exoteric conversation about the world and mankind and economics to a point, despite clearly having no particular interest on it or in us. Also, from the job pool available, she has a sweet gig. Most of the town works at the harbor, currently on strike or is trying to scab said strike out of desperation (which makes them actually unemployed), or is straight up homeless.
Her lack of conversation and dialog can be explained much more easily from the context we know than from some hypothetical dire family life or despairing routine. We are a strange, an outsider in a very insular community, who is also a cop in a place where the people explicitly don’t like cops, who has also been raising hell very loudly and destructively for the last 3 days, and we approach her at work and start asking non-sense questions. She’s downright charming with how she treats us given the circumstances. Meanwhile, the straight up neglected little girl made to work in the cold streets in front of the library you very deliberately ignored.
How many times has she been told to shut up, she's just a kid, she'll learn.
Perhaps random but now I'm super interested in a tritagonist model for a story, someone who is in touch with two of the three of their behaviour/emotions/thoughts respectively and how they act as foils to each other.
An amnesiac, psychopathic serial killer and someone blinded by rage walk into a bar...