It all depends what your mission is. The Cirrus SF50 is perfect for my wife and myself. We rarely fly with other passengers (other than our dogs). It fits in our hangar. Range is the same as the Phenom 100. Real operating cost is less than 2/3rds that of the Phenom 100 (service contract, fuel, insurance, hangar, ramp fees...). Also, do you have a minimum of 250 hours of multi time to fly single pilot in the Phenom? You'll need it in order to get insurance. I wasn't interested in having someone with me in the right seat every flight for 250 hours... And... your numbers are off. The SF50 carries 296 gallons of usable fuel. Our empty weight is 3,460lbs.. Payload is 2,340lbs -- way more than your SR. TAS in an SF50 is 310KTAS.Yes, the service ceiling is 310 -- which gets you over most of the weather most of the time. If anyone is flying 1,275NM in zero wind conditions (Cirrus marketing at their best), they're lying to you, or not landing with IFR reserves. 1,000NM is a good number... or better yet, landing at 3 hours or so. We've made it from Portland to New York in one stop, but with a really strong tailwind (GS of 455 knots for a portion of the trip). East coast to West coast is absolutely a 2 stopper. Remove the rear 5 seats and you have a Honda Odyssey van. We've carried leaf blowers, shovels, weed wackers... all kinds of stuff that you would never think of taking in a Phenom. We spent a lot of time looking at the Phenom 100 and the SF50 -- and yes, there is no contest in the ramp appeal contest -- the Phenom wins hands down. But, for versatility, economy, mission requirements, serviceability, training, sales network... the Cirrus SF50 is an outstanding aircraft. Just my experience and opinion. And... my wife was absolutely on board with the purchase of the SF50 when she learned about the parachute system and especially Safe Return. Happy wife. Happy life! We can't wait to see what the upgrades will be for the G3. Range? Service ceiling increase? Speed? It's coming.
Great videos. I thought the comment; for anyone on a budget maybe the 550. I love that because I think of my 86 year old Mom and how all of her life she has been in a budget which is why she is still on a budget. Go for it all.Clearly I didn’t listen to Mom.
Great video Tony! I’m in a similar position, currently flying Mooney Acclaim-S but seriously looking at the Eclipse. Nothing else comes close in terms of efficiency… looking forward to seeing what you choose 👍
Your $3m number for an Eclipse is way off. I recently bought an Eclipse for under $1m. The price range is basically $1-2m for these. Mine has a newly re-done interior as well.
@@TonyJavierTV Eclipse is very very slowly producing new 550 aircraft, but I believe most/all of those are destined for part 135 operators. Regardless, you don't want a brand new one. Buy a fully-loaded 2.9 550 for $2m. Same plane as what's coming off the production line. In my case, I wanted the Garmin 625 avionics configuration which is informally known as the 1.9 model ("lower" than the 2.9 but arguably superior in some respects). You need to get more info if you want to make a good decision here.
@@stratalysjeff thanks for the info. Seems like used is the way to go regardless because of the depreciation factor. Have you had any maintenance issues?
@@TonyJavierTV All things that I expected so far. But I've only been flying her for 2 months. My suggestion to you is to join the EJOPA forum (i.e., Eclipse owners' forum). It's worth the $150/yr to lurk and ask questions about the plane and its merits.
When comparing Pax/Fuel/Payload you need to consider how much of a combination can you carry for how far you need to go and what is the fuel burn+IFR reserves to get there. For example, do you still get a 1,300 lbs payload with 249 gallons of fuel in a Phenom 100?
A more accurate comparison would be a Citation Mustang against a Phenom. I also wouldn't rule out a turbo prop - TBM 960 would be hard to beat in every test on your comparison.
The Eclipse has not even been in production for years. So you are comparing a jet that was designed and certificated at least 15 years before the Micky Mouse single or the LARGER and still 15 years newer Phenom 100. Compare the Eclipse with a Mustang II and you get a more credible comparison.
Vision jet man, don't cancel your order. For me, if average you fly 3x a week, that's 150x a year. In 5 tears you will fly 750times. For me who just planning to learn how to fly, that's alot of flying. And that parachute IS A BIG SAFETY in my mind. It's much more important than fuel consumption,max load, max people, feature, speed etc. SAFETY is 90% on why for me cirrus is better
You are mentioning having to learn a new avionics system but comletely omit that you are upgrading from a single engine piston FIXED GEAR airplane to a turbojet twin requiring real training. Awesome!🙄
You put more than 3 people in the phenom or the Eclipse and you’re gonna sacrifice fuel and range big time . Put 8 people in a phenom, and I say GOOD LUCK.
The Phenom will not go more then 1100 nm. Eclipse’s real range is 1050 nm. Both with 45 min reserve. Eclipse is more comfortable - seats recline, way more room for pilot. Phenom pax seat backs do NOT recline. Phenom is very underpowered: needs a lot of RW and barely climbs above FL300. Let me know if you need help finding the right plane or getting your type rating. I got 11 type ratings, flying with me is fun! Check out my Eclipse video th-cam.com/video/lRJX4IB6_YI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2TNhcHrmymY-8mXU
It all depends what your mission is. The Cirrus SF50 is perfect for my wife and myself. We rarely fly with other passengers (other than our dogs). It fits in our hangar. Range is the same as the Phenom 100. Real operating cost is less than 2/3rds that of the Phenom 100 (service contract, fuel, insurance, hangar, ramp fees...). Also, do you have a minimum of 250 hours of multi time to fly single pilot in the Phenom? You'll need it in order to get insurance. I wasn't interested in having someone with me in the right seat every flight for 250 hours... And... your numbers are off. The SF50 carries 296 gallons of usable fuel. Our empty weight is 3,460lbs.. Payload is 2,340lbs -- way more than your SR. TAS in an SF50 is 310KTAS.Yes, the service ceiling is 310 -- which gets you over most of the weather most of the time. If anyone is flying 1,275NM in zero wind conditions (Cirrus marketing at their best), they're lying to you, or not landing with IFR reserves. 1,000NM is a good number... or better yet, landing at 3 hours or so. We've made it from Portland to New York in one stop, but with a really strong tailwind (GS of 455 knots for a portion of the trip). East coast to West coast is absolutely a 2 stopper. Remove the rear 5 seats and you have a Honda Odyssey van. We've carried leaf blowers, shovels, weed wackers... all kinds of stuff that you would never think of taking in a Phenom. We spent a lot of time looking at the Phenom 100 and the SF50 -- and yes, there is no contest in the ramp appeal contest -- the Phenom wins hands down. But, for versatility, economy, mission requirements, serviceability, training, sales network... the Cirrus SF50 is an outstanding aircraft. Just my experience and opinion. And... my wife was absolutely on board with the purchase of the SF50 when she learned about the parachute system and especially Safe Return. Happy wife. Happy life! We can't wait to see what the upgrades will be for the G3. Range? Service ceiling increase? Speed? It's coming.
Great videos. I thought the comment; for anyone on a budget maybe the 550. I love that because I think of my 86 year old Mom and how all of her life she has been in a budget which is why she is still on a budget. Go for it all.Clearly I didn’t listen to Mom.
Great video Tony! I’m in a similar position, currently flying Mooney Acclaim-S but seriously looking at the Eclipse. Nothing else comes close in terms of efficiency… looking forward to seeing what you choose 👍
Great video, Tony! The Phenom looks like a pretty cool jet. Does it have a bathroom?
I should have mentioned that! Yes, there’s an option for a bathroom. My wife wants a bathroom, so pretty sure this is the way we will go.
for a new phenom 100 ev price is around 5,1mln USD
Good Video
Great video! Ever thought about the honda jet?
Yes, but those are way more expensive. And I feel like I’d have trouble flying something with Honda on it lol
Your $3m number for an Eclipse is way off. I recently bought an Eclipse for under $1m. The price range is basically $1-2m for these. Mine has a newly re-done interior as well.
Congrats on the purchase. For used yes. It would be much more for brand new.
@@TonyJavierTV Eclipse is very very slowly producing new 550 aircraft, but I believe most/all of those are destined for part 135 operators. Regardless, you don't want a brand new one. Buy a fully-loaded 2.9 550 for $2m. Same plane as what's coming off the production line. In my case, I wanted the Garmin 625 avionics configuration which is informally known as the 1.9 model ("lower" than the 2.9 but arguably superior in some respects). You need to get more info if you want to make a good decision here.
@@stratalysjeff thanks for the info. Seems like used is the way to go regardless because of the depreciation factor. Have you had any maintenance issues?
@@TonyJavierTV All things that I expected so far. But I've only been flying her for 2 months. My suggestion to you is to join the EJOPA forum (i.e., Eclipse owners' forum). It's worth the $150/yr to lurk and ask questions about the plane and its merits.
@@stratalysjeff If I may ask, what makes the 625 superior to the Av 2.9?
When comparing Pax/Fuel/Payload you need to consider how much of a combination can you carry for how far you need to go and what is the fuel burn+IFR reserves to get there. For example, do you still get a 1,300 lbs payload with 249 gallons of fuel in a Phenom 100?
Can't get 'em brand new but you want fast and efficient check out a Beech Premier 1A. Max cruise (4 pax) = 454ktas.
Thanks for the suggestion. Looks like they are pretty fast! Do you know anybody who’s happy with one?
Premier1Driver has one and a great channel
Phenom 100 series has a bathroom?
A more accurate comparison would be a Citation Mustang against a Phenom. I also wouldn't rule out a turbo prop - TBM 960 would be hard to beat in every test on your comparison.
So many options. Mustang could be one. TBM looks great too and may look into Pilatus. Nothing like owning a twin engine Jet though.
Have you considered the Honda Jet? They are my favourite jet on the market so far but that's just me personally...lol
If you have the $$$ for a new phenom 100 you should check out the one of the honda jets as well
honda jet?
Howdy, Phenon 100EX is the best plane off class... Embraer is the 3rd wrd factory on airplanes and end this question...
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The Eclipse has not even been in production for years. So you are comparing a jet that was designed and certificated at least 15 years before the Micky Mouse single or the LARGER and still 15 years newer Phenom 100. Compare the Eclipse with a Mustang II and you get a more credible comparison.
Seems you have some personal issue with Cirrus. Perhaps some bitter experience with their support.
Vision jet man, don't cancel your order. For me, if average you fly 3x a week, that's 150x a year. In 5 tears you will fly 750times. For me who just planning to learn how to fly, that's alot of flying. And that parachute IS A BIG SAFETY in my mind. It's much more important than fuel consumption,max load, max people, feature, speed etc. SAFETY is 90% on why for me cirrus is better
@ 6:15 No Thank you Capt. Obvious.
You are mentioning having to learn a new avionics system but comletely omit that you are upgrading from a single engine piston FIXED GEAR airplane to a turbojet twin requiring real training. Awesome!🙄
And the fact he has to do extra training every year for that type rating. Which is added cost. Just buy a TBM.
You put more than 3 people in the phenom or the Eclipse and you’re gonna sacrifice fuel and range big time . Put 8 people in a phenom, and I say GOOD LUCK.
The Phenom will not go more then 1100 nm. Eclipse’s real range is 1050 nm. Both with 45 min reserve. Eclipse is more comfortable - seats recline, way more room for pilot. Phenom pax seat backs do NOT recline. Phenom is very underpowered: needs a lot of RW and barely climbs above FL300. Let me know if you need help finding the right plane or getting your type rating. I got 11 type ratings, flying with me is fun! Check out my Eclipse video th-cam.com/video/lRJX4IB6_YI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2TNhcHrmymY-8mXU
get a new TBM 960. OR the Phenom 100.
Phenom , no doubt.