I think you are wrong, but also right, given how the Ottoman Turks referred to themselves and their realm as Rome (Rum). They considered themselves the successors and continuation of the Roman legacy.
@@mf2006-l7n there were indeed called Rum, this goes back to the Sultanate of Rum the remnants of the Seljuk domination which survived in Anatolia. The Ottoman Sultans titled themselves Caesar of Rum from 1553 onward. And no most of the Christians were *not* Greek speaking but Slavic speaking with a good dose of Armenian, Serbian, Albanian, etc, speakers. Orthodox Christians are called Greek because they pray in Greek just like Catholics are called Latins because they (used to) pray in Latin.
The rest of the world also considered them a roman dynasty by conquest. Safavids, Mamluks, Timurids, Ming, Qing, Mughals and their sphere of influences all called the ottoman empire "Rome". "Lumi" in Chinese, "Rum" in Arabic, "Rumistan" in Persian.
This channel hits far above its weight. Wes, thank you for making these! Your insight is very valuable. Please keep doing this for as long as you are able.
One correction. The ottomans kept the name Constantinople. "Istanbul" (a greek colloquial term for the city) was adopted by the Republicans after the empire had collapsed.
Constantinople is 15 sqkm, Istanbul is 2,500 sqkm built-up area and 5,000 sqkm administrative area. Constantinople is a small district in the heart of modern day Istanbul called Fatih (lit. Liberation but usually translated Conquest), I do wish they re-name it Constantinople because Westerners will just insist and insist and insist that Istanbul *is* Constantinople from here to judgement day. From Wikipedia: Fatih (Turkish pronunciation: [ˈfaːtih]) is a municipality and district of Istanbul Province, Turkey.[2] Its area is 15 km2,[3] and its population is 368,227 (2022).[1] It is home to almost all of the provincial authorities (including the mayor's office, police headquarters, metropolitan municipality and tax office) but not the courthouse. It encompasses the historical peninsula, *coinciding with old Constantinople.* Fun fact: Constantinople could easily house 100,000 but when Mohammed Al-Fatih entered it it had only 40,000 and there were farms _inside_ the Theodosian Walls also there were more Orthodox Christians fighting in the Ottoman army than defending the wall, indeed the walls were defended by 3,000 Italian Catholics led by an Italian after the Emperor converted to Catholicism and promised the Pope total conversion.
Late Roman Republic is a great analogy. The govt is weakened because of wealthy people controlling it for the benefit of the rich at the expense of the normal people.
I suppose that unless politics is to be merely brutal compulsion, compromise is necessary. I feel like we voters have been more and more polarized *and* extreme, making us incapable of empathy, much less compromise.
@caniblmolstr452 this assumes 7% yearly "growth" is sustainable (it is not), or reasonable (it is not). Yes productivity by the average American has gone up, but wages have actually tanked becauae of stock holder and management / CEO greed. Should americand be paid a lot more based on "productivity", yes. But that means you cut 7% growth and it's no longer "suistanable" or possible for the shareholders to make their massive quarterly earnings. Somebody needs to take a haircut and I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but it will never be the share holders. Because we live in a nation that thinks capital is more valuable than labor. Hence why the capital holders think you can just import cheap labor to do complex labor, and why they think you can just move mass amounts of people with no consequences.
The Holy Romans ceased to exist cause Napoleon went around stomping on their lands. Perhaps if some future power is able to defeat America they could split it into multiple parts cause the USA is strong enough to reel in any states that might have ideas of soverignty in my opinion.
Just fyi, chinese economy has eclipsed the US economy already in terms of purchasing power parity. Also it's interesting to note what exactly is included when calculating the US GDP.
Eh, if we want to get into people fudging their numbers you gotta look into actual Chinese population estimates and production figured as there’s a lot of over counting (regions receive funding based on pops so they lie which also inflates production figures). Taking the Chinese at their word when they are far more close fisted while scrutinizing the U.S. is silly
Just clicked on your channel to watch one of your older videos (because only a rare few video essays hit as well as yours) only to be surprised that you uploaded this 20 minutes ago!
The percentage of U.S. resources spent on war is more like 50% -- probably more given that so much is secret and not subject to accountability. Until the focus is on this issue everything remains hopeless. Foreign policy is domestic policy.
That period that you cited of the Ottomans was not a time of true decline,that is incorrect,it was more of a period of stagnation,the Ottoman empire started to truly decline more like in the 1870's to 1890's with all of the reforms within the Empire,so it really was a period of about 5 to 3 decades before it fell.
the Ottomans were saved by the British and the French in 1830's from total collapse, but you think decline "started" in 1870?!! they also needed saving in 1850's, hence the Crimean War, but you really think it only "started" in 1870?!!!!!! There are several periods of stagnation then followed by a metamorphosis that gives it another push, then it expands its energy stagnate again and goes through another metamorphosis; you can even say the Turkish Republic is the latest metamorphosis of the same thing....if you want.
I love your approach to the topics with real world examples. Im a Midwestern native and i see many problems becoming loops for eachother here. On a national level we have an apathy for those who cant stick with the program so state has to check the undo harm from authorities at the level above them. Down to each beat of my City im looking at solutions based in education. Still, the apathy is infectious.
What you say is the government lost the power struggle against the oligarches. They made the government less efficient. Thats a good comparison between the US and the Ottoman Empire
It's good that you tackled homelessness. When observing carefully, homelessness is, in most cases, a death sentence and execution method. After WW2, the Germans were asked "You did not see that?", meaning the Nazi concentration camps. We shall be asked the same question in the future. The only difference is that homelessness is more significant in the number of victims.
The people of the Greater Middle East, including the Levant (most of whom are Semites, and the followers of Abrahamic religions) have been divided and ruled over by outsiders for centuries. *Because it is easier to divide people based on personal differences, than it is to unite them, based on what they have in common.* Strategically ambiguous outsiders make use of this, for own advantages. In the era of empires, first Rome/Constantinople, then during WW1 the seat of POWER playing these games changed to London/Paris (Sykes-Picot/Balfour Declaration/WW1), then after the 1950's as European colonialism's power decreased, starting around the time a bark by Washington DC in 1956 (Suez Crisis/War) showed who the new boss was, the role of divider was simply taken over by Washington DC (the entire ME was the playground during the Cold War). Now the intention is simply to avoid unity in the ME, in order to _rule over the dissent_ which is classical divide-and-rule. Today, their leaders are ALL tools. Draw lines on the map without asking any of those affected. Exploit and foster endless wars, meddle for constant dissent. *Divide-and-rule connects the dots on the timeline of history.* Who has had (in all historical cases in the ME/Levant) the GEOGRAPHICAL ADVANTAGE of distance from the events resulting out of the own meddling and political activities, being able to reach all the other regions, but could not be reached itself as hegemony, at any given point of a historical timeline? Pax Romana, Rome. Pax Britannica, London. Pax Americana, Washington DC. All they ever wanted was *pax,* because they said so, but who picks up the *pieces of great wealth and the systemic gains* when all the others can be avoided from uniting? *Different Empires. Different era. Same games...* ------------------------------------- The people of the Africa have been divided and ruled over by outsiders for centuries. Tribalism makes it easy to divide people, then keep them poor under the "kind foot" of exploitation. In the era of empires, first Rome/Constantinople in North Africa, then during the era of Western imperialism the seat of POWER playing these games changed to the USA/Europe, then after the 1950's as European colonialism's power decreased, Africa was the playground during the Cold War. Once the dividers had reached peak power for themselves, by simply drawing lines on the map without asking any of those affected (Congo Conference/1884) the own systems of gain could siphon off wealth like a giant vacuum cleaner. The intention was simply to avoid unity in Africa, in order to _rule over the dissent_ which is classical divide-and-rule. During the Cold War, Moscow took on the role of arming the resistance to the colonial dividers. Today, all African dissenters fighting against unity, including some of Africa's own greedy corrupt leaders, are ALL tools. Endless wars, constant dissent. _Give the weak mind money, and they will dance for the outside dividers..._ *Divide-and-rule.* Oldest trick in the book... Different people and systems. Different places on the map. Same games. -------------------------------------- The people of the Americas, including the USA, have been divided and ruled over by outsiders for centuries. In the beginning stages of era of European Imperialism, first Spain and Portugal entered the Americas, employing the divide-and-rule technique of top-down power on the local systems (Aztecs/Incas), and as European colonial powers' influence decreased during the 19th century, the role of divider was simply taken over by Washington DC. As the own power increased incrementally, the entire world became the playground after around 1900. Today, it is the globalists who employ imperialist tools to play divide-and-rule games on their neighbours. *Forget nukes. The divide-and-control/rule/conquer strategy is the most powerful force on the planet, because it can be employed equally in times of peace to CONTROL, in times of crises to RULE, and in times of war to CONQUER.* Ever since the two-faced snake slithered down that tree of unity (fable), speaking out of both sides of the mouth (lies, deceit), the wisest human beings have fruitlessly warned, and the easily divisable have continuously been warned against divisions within a peaceful status quo. When you bow to the division caused by deception, you will lose the good life..."and much that once was, is lost; for none now live who remember it." Such divisions create GAIN for OUTSIDERS (Eden as a system divided by lies and deceit). Now the intention is simply to avoid unity in the Americas, in order to rule over the dissent which is classical divide-and-rule. Endless wars on anything and everything from "drugs" to "terror" (sic.), constant dissent with everything's a war war war... Insert levers of lies, mistrust. The *two-party-duopoly* is two cheeks of the same hind which set out to create favourites: Favouritism, by granting access to the own POWER/WEALTH, to those who volunteer to act as proxies and extensions for the own power projection. The small picture lives of domestic political chaos, of the big picture reality of international insanity. Point the systemic (MSM) finger, everywhere else, by use of the own paid stooges of power by presenting their deep state-orchestrated three-letter-agency astroturfed violence on multiple tiers as being the reactions of "the poor oppressed people, who need our help for freedom and democracy" (sic.). Liars, deceivers, creators of the BLACK LEGEND for the "other side". *In February 1948, George F. Kennan's Policy Planning Staff said: "[W]e have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. ... Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity."* Kennan: A prototype GLOBALIST. And that is what they did to increase their own wealth. Set up people against each other, then siphon off the wealth of entire regions of the planet. *And that is what you are fighting for. That is what the hegemon has always done, pretending to be the "good pax", but playing "good cop/bad cop" with the world, from a position of power.* In the past, the "good cops" were the INTERNATIONALISTS, and the "bad cops" were the IMPERIALISTS. In the present that has morphed into the "good cops" being the GLOBALISTS/NEOLIBS, and the "bad cops" being the NEOCONS. Name-branding and doublespeak for the slumberland plebs, enchanted by their "bread-and-circuses"-existences. America's friends and self-proclaimed default rivals in Eurasia are still being burnt to ensure this disparity continues, with a (quote) "pattern of relationships" which are beneficial to the own rule. Set up European and Eurasian nations (including the Middle East/North Africa) against each other. It is how divide-and-rule is implemented. The imperialist playbook of Great Britain and the USA for more than 100 years. Read Halford Mackinder (Pivot of History, 1904) and Zbigniew Brzezinski (Grand Chessboard, 1997) regarding Eurasia for the template. Read W.T. Stead (Americanization of the World, 1901) for the guideline of political-, cultural- and economic capture. Read Smedley-Butler (War is a Racket) for the modus operandi of imperialism/militarism. Some say Europe is a divine goddess. I say, it is a humble apple tree, from an allegory as old as modern civilizations, because it is easy to divide. *Divide and Rule.* Oldest trick in the book... Four corners of the globe. Different cultures and religions. Same games. THE LINK OF THE WORLD. The entire system they favor in the USA/collective West is based on a pre-set *managed and moderated division,* for the benefit of a very few at the top of the pyramids accompanied by the often-repeated nice-sounding storyline. Create the script of the own heroes. Their entire scripted money-funded history sounds like a Hollywood superhero movie that sounds too good to be true. Guess what? It is. It is what they are NOT telling you, that they try to hide. Who wields the POWER? Who has had the GEOGRAPHICAL ADVANTAGE of being able to reach all the other little buck catchers (tools, and other Roman-era style instruments of POWER), but could not be reached itself, because of a geographical-, technological-, organizational-, military-, strategic-, political advantage at any given point of a historical timeline? Create the default rival/enemy on their own marching routes. It is usually the power most likely to succeed which is determined as the default rival/enemy. Notice how, as soon as a rival starts mass-producing products high up in the value chain of capitalism, and starts vying for markets, and becomes successful, it immediately becomes the systemic rival, and is then geopolitically encircled by the greater empire. It happened around 1900, as Germany started building high-value products, and it happened around 2000, as China started moving away from building cheap toys and labor intensive kitchen appliances... The games start on the home turf. The first victims are their own people in the USA/collective West, locked in the eternal struggle for wealth and personal gain which they have been deceived into thinking is "good greed", but which WILL be exploited by the snakes who deceive them on the domestic tier of the divide-and-rule system of power. Because ..."most of the great problems we face are caused by politicians creating solutions to problems they created in the first place." - Walter E. Williams *War is a great **_divider._** It goes straight through the heads of millions and billions of people from the very top tiers, right down to the individual level. War divides alignments and alliances, goes straight through organizations, divides political parties, tears through families, and finally at the very bottom tier, goes straight through individual hearts and minds as individuals struggle with themselves.*
While there is an increase in grid locking through its decision making body, i don't see US facing any existential problems. However if the grid locking continues you might see competition between it's institutions as seen in middle republic Rome, and eventually destruction of its institutions. The half century between fall of Gracchus brothers and Sulla's dictatorship is commonly considered the beginning of the end of the republic. And I don't think US is quite there, people will always gravitates towards charismatic demagogues, but the general populace is not so desperate that allows individuals to accrete power independent and at the expense of the state.
Thank you for this discussion! I wonder to what extent the current US situation mirrors the internal divide and dysfunction within the later-period Austro-Hungarian empire?
What do you mean with "some weak correlation" between spending and deficite. Its close to 100%! Government spends and does not tax back = deficite. Government does not tax the wealty enough -->. Asset prices rise because they cat fugure out what to do with the financial assets productively.
2:15 Not sure that governments develop because there is a concrete issue from without that is thrusting itself upon society as a whole. Sure there maybe were temporary tribal organizations that arose from a threat from without, but it is not why a standing goverment develops. It is "by no means a power forced on society from without" but a "product of inreconciliable class antagonisms." Continuing "these classes with conflicting economic interests, might not consume themselves and society in fruitless struggle, it became necessary to have a power, seemingly standing above society, that would alleviate the conflict and keep it within the bounds of ’order’; and this power, arisen out of society but placing itself above it, and alienating itself more and more from it, is the state.” Essentially the state arises when some classes have economic interests conflicting with others in society. For example, the shift from tribal society to early Serfdom is characterized by the enclosure of the commons -- when some Clansman or Fuedal lords (the family unit is necessary here) had enough wealth to physically enclose common lands and "force" or "encourage" peasants to live and work on the land with force of arms. The dominant class then codifies the existing social relations and justify them as being "natural" and "for the good of all." Threats from without are often manufactured by the dominant class. For example the fuedal lord start a war with another fuedal lord for land, where neither peasant population stands to gain.
It'd probably be closer to ancient Babylon but all of them share characteristics. What is definitely coming though is digital ID, digital currency, Palantir pre crime program, a 1 world Government, etc.
What makes you think that a one world government is possible amongst rival elites with nuclear weapons? Nothing would indicate that as being in the realm of possibility. I know you wanna live through the end times for your life to be less boring but face the facts it’s not happening
This morning I pulled up the American Calvinism video to listen to for the third time, and I was thinking, "I haven't seen a Wes Cecil video suggested recently." Then as soon as AC is finished I'm offered a brand new video from Wes.
“Ottoman Empire isn’t quite global” is a ridiculous assessments. If you really took a map and researched and reasoned you’d quickly realise that indeed Roman Empire was replaced by the Ottomans and the actual world then was exactly where they ruled. Unlike the British Empire that ruled the tribal peoples of the globe. The seat of power is still very much so the CENTRAL REGION, obscured by the ridiculous vapid term of Middle East. If Middle East was a thing it would be India. Ask an Anatolian poet if you want historic perspective.
Historically, Constantinople was indeed the global trade hub, for over 1500 years. - However, the moment the Ottoman Empire conquered the city, it lost "its Roman Empire magic" : The trade routes changed, Western Europe reacted by exploring and conquering the globe. The "middle east" was still "in the middle" . - But , it lost quite some of its outstanding global importance; very much to the detriment of the entire islamic culture. The empire continued with its military expansion; however, longterm ( over the course of four centuries) it lost its means to refund itself. Since the end of the seventeenth century, beginning stagnation. Since 1683: Slowly backwards. Since 1800: Sick man of Europe. If a region was "the central region" from 1500 to 1800, not strictly geographically but of "global" commerce, then it was indeed probably France and the Netherlands.
@@majungasaurusaaaathe Silk Road got weaker and weaker over time. What do you not understand? It has waxed and waned over its long lifespan with it getting weaker since the the Europeans found alternative routes
no parallels between USA & ottos. You see ottos collapsed because of technological backwardness leading to military defeat and individual nationalities asking for their land back due to birth of nationalism. USA is a world beater in tech and the individaul nationalities within it (irish, afros, italians) are not asking for irrendetism.
People are homeless either because there are no vacant apartments/houses or because people can't afford one. This is true regardless of whether a US state has a Republican or Democrat (who aren't leftists) majority.
Homelessness is caused by landlords jacking up rents too high and disabled people on public aid and low wage workers not being able to pay rent Those "left leaning" mayors and city councilpeople are, as a rule, close allies of the local landlords and real estate developers - they keep rents high to keep those landlords rich, regardless of the misery that causes for working class and poor people
The USA is not an Empire, it cannot fall because its all one entity. Everyone in the usa is technically of anglo culture regardless of whatever hyphen they want to apply to each other. No one living in the usa wants to secede ftom it, the country has issues but saying its empire in decline is very wrong, its a superpower in decline definitely mostly because of its backing of a certain nation that has given the green light for other countries to start wars of expansion.
You left out a crucial point of weakness that brings down empires; identity politics. The roman empire had the 'original' Romans that could trace their ancestry to the founding families of Rome. All the other 'immigrants' that became Romans were not really 'full' citizens that could fully ascend the social ladder of sociery. The army became increasingly populated by these disenfranchised Romans, and when push came to shove, they refused to die for an empire that took their sacrifice for granted. The Ottomans fought too many wars both within and without. The Palace coups and intrigues were fascinating to say the least. Their policy of preparing only one fit heir to the throne also left them open to leadership vacuums in case the chosen one died too young or without a legitimate heir. America is also obsessed with the WASP class and pushes them up and forward at the expense of all other groups of citizens, thus reducing them to second class citizens. Britain is in a class war since 1066 but they are too cowardly to admit it. The people expect the government to sort of punch down on the poor and unfortunate and to scapegoat them for all the social ills. The current government is unpopular because they are shooting at everyone, taxing the wealthy, jailing the poor if they dare to riot. I hope that helps a little. I could be wrong of course.
You are totally wrong about non-Italians being unable to make it to the top of the pile in Roman society. Most of the later Emperors were provincials, and it was entirely possible for a provincial to attain great authority.
@slimdiddyd I stand very corrected then. Thank you. But there was still anti foreign sentiment in Roman society. And it was casual and pervasive, especially for the obviously foreign types eg blonde and blue eyed with long beard and hair. And lots of tribes sported that northern European look.
It's a controlled demolition, it's being transformed through social/human engineering efforts. Economically, collapse is inevitable. Politically, the United States is degenerate, socially backwards. Every society will eventually collapse, unless you believe the US will last forever which is incredibly unreasonable.
I think you are wrong, but also right, given how the Ottoman Turks referred to themselves and their realm as Rome (Rum). They considered themselves the successors and continuation of the Roman legacy.
The Ottoman Empire? The US? Not even close 😂
No no no no. I think “You” Sir are wrong, but also right.
they didn't, the Christian (mostly Greek-speaking) subjects of the Empire were called Rum.
@@mf2006-l7n there were indeed called Rum, this goes back to the Sultanate of Rum the remnants of the Seljuk domination which survived in Anatolia. The Ottoman Sultans titled themselves Caesar of Rum from 1553 onward.
And no most of the Christians were *not* Greek speaking but Slavic speaking with a good dose of Armenian, Serbian, Albanian, etc, speakers. Orthodox Christians are called Greek because they pray in Greek just like Catholics are called Latins because they (used to) pray in Latin.
The rest of the world also considered them a roman dynasty by conquest. Safavids, Mamluks, Timurids, Ming, Qing, Mughals and their sphere of influences all called the ottoman empire "Rome". "Lumi" in Chinese, "Rum" in Arabic, "Rumistan" in Persian.
Comparing to Rome, where is US timeline now? Not even close to the dusk of the republic? This turbo dynamics resembles the Caliphate more.
This channel hits far above its weight.
Wes, thank you for making these! Your insight is very valuable. Please keep doing this for as long as you are able.
One correction.
The ottomans kept the name Constantinople.
"Istanbul" (a greek colloquial term for the city) was adopted by the Republicans after the empire had collapsed.
Constantinople is 15 sqkm, Istanbul is 2,500 sqkm built-up area and 5,000 sqkm administrative area.
Constantinople is a small district in the heart of modern day Istanbul called Fatih (lit. Liberation but usually translated Conquest), I do wish they re-name it Constantinople because Westerners will just insist and insist and insist that Istanbul *is* Constantinople from here to judgement day.
From Wikipedia: Fatih (Turkish pronunciation: [ˈfaːtih]) is a municipality and district of Istanbul Province, Turkey.[2] Its area is 15 km2,[3] and its population is 368,227 (2022).[1] It is home to almost all of the provincial authorities (including the mayor's office, police headquarters, metropolitan municipality and tax office) but not the courthouse. It encompasses the historical peninsula, *coinciding with old Constantinople.*
Fun fact: Constantinople could easily house 100,000 but when Mohammed Al-Fatih entered it it had only 40,000 and there were farms _inside_ the Theodosian Walls also there were more Orthodox Christians fighting in the Ottoman army than defending the wall, indeed the walls were defended by 3,000 Italian Catholics led by an Italian after the Emperor converted to Catholicism and promised the Pope total conversion.
Late Roman Republic is a great analogy. The govt is weakened because of wealthy people controlling it for the benefit of the rich at the expense of the normal people.
Looking back at Boris Johnson and kripto Jews wanting back Otoman Empire we can see a pattern of "golden age" of Judaism coming back
I suppose that unless politics is to be merely brutal compulsion, compromise is necessary. I feel like we voters have been more and more polarized *and* extreme, making us incapable of empathy, much less compromise.
Can't have affordable housing and high property values.
Its either OR
high property values? ppl dont own anything like its communism
Or you can have salaries matching the property prices which is the case everywhere else.
Immigration fucked up your salaries
@@caniblmolstr452 The way we treat housing like an investment was the start of the problem.
@caniblmolstr452 this assumes 7% yearly "growth" is sustainable (it is not), or reasonable (it is not).
Yes productivity by the average American has gone up, but wages have actually tanked becauae of stock holder and management / CEO greed. Should americand be paid a lot more based on "productivity", yes.
But that means you cut 7% growth and it's no longer "suistanable" or possible for the shareholders to make their massive quarterly earnings.
Somebody needs to take a haircut and I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but it will never be the share holders. Because we live in a nation that thinks capital is more valuable than labor. Hence why the capital holders think you can just import cheap labor to do complex labor, and why they think you can just move mass amounts of people with no consequences.
This discussion needs to include military power projection.
personally I think America’s federalism puts it in a similar place to the holy roman empire in terms of its increasing legal patchwork
Or an atrophying Empire reduced to primarily one "super city-exarcht" like "Byzantium". 2:35
The Holy Romans ceased to exist cause Napoleon went around stomping on their lands. Perhaps if some future power is able to defeat America they could split it into multiple parts cause the USA is strong enough to reel in any states that might have ideas of soverignty in my opinion.
Just fyi, chinese economy has eclipsed the US economy already in terms of purchasing power parity. Also it's interesting to note what exactly is included when calculating the US GDP.
Yes!
The only thing the chinese economy is eclipsing is a black hole.
Eh, if we want to get into people fudging their numbers you gotta look into actual Chinese population estimates and production figured as there’s a lot of over counting (regions receive funding based on pops so they lie which also inflates production figures). Taking the Chinese at their word when they are far more close fisted while scrutinizing the U.S. is silly
Just clicked on your channel to watch one of your older videos (because only a rare few video essays hit as well as yours) only to be surprised that you uploaded this 20 minutes ago!
Same here. Maybe we're summoning him by watching older videos? ;)
The percentage of U.S. resources spent on war is more like 50% -- probably more given that so much is secret and not subject to accountability. Until the focus is on this issue everything remains hopeless. Foreign policy is domestic policy.
If America is like Rome then why does the wine here suck?
Not just the wine, food in general
If the Romans could grow food using chemicals they would have done it too lol lol
@@FictionHubZA Im sure they would, they have to feed their massive amount of plebs somehow.
@@BigChap117just admit you live in the Midwest and haven’t experienced the actual culinary centers of America
That period that you cited of the Ottomans was not a time of true decline,that is incorrect,it was more of a period of stagnation,the Ottoman empire started to truly decline more like in the 1870's to 1890's with all of the reforms within the Empire,so it really was a period of about 5 to 3 decades before it fell.
the Ottomans were saved by the British and the French in 1830's from total collapse, but you think decline "started" in 1870?!! they also needed saving in 1850's, hence the Crimean War, but you really think it only "started" in 1870?!!!!!!
There are several periods of stagnation then followed by a metamorphosis that gives it another push, then it expands its energy stagnate again and goes through another metamorphosis; you can even say the Turkish Republic is the latest metamorphosis of the same thing....if you want.
Great Britain was Rome.. look what's happening.. 😆
I love your approach to the topics with real world examples. Im a Midwestern native and i see many problems becoming loops for eachother here. On a national level we have an apathy for those who cant stick with the program so state has to check the undo harm from authorities at the level above them.
Down to each beat of my City im looking at solutions based in education. Still, the apathy is infectious.
What you say is the government lost the power struggle against the oligarches. They made the government less efficient. Thats a good comparison between the US and the Ottoman Empire
It's good that you tackled homelessness. When observing carefully, homelessness is, in most cases, a death sentence and execution method. After WW2, the Germans were asked "You did not see that?", meaning the Nazi concentration camps. We shall be asked the same question in the future. The only difference is that homelessness is more significant in the number of victims.
The people of the Greater Middle East, including the Levant (most of whom are Semites, and the followers of Abrahamic religions) have been divided and ruled over by outsiders for centuries. *Because it is easier to divide people based on personal differences, than it is to unite them, based on what they have in common.* Strategically ambiguous outsiders make use of this, for own advantages. In the era of empires, first Rome/Constantinople, then during WW1 the seat of POWER playing these games changed to London/Paris (Sykes-Picot/Balfour Declaration/WW1), then after the 1950's as European colonialism's power decreased, starting around the time a bark by Washington DC in 1956 (Suez Crisis/War) showed who the new boss was, the role of divider was simply taken over by Washington DC (the entire ME was the playground during the Cold War). Now the intention is simply to avoid unity in the ME, in order to _rule over the dissent_ which is classical divide-and-rule. Today, their leaders are ALL tools. Draw lines on the map without asking any of those affected. Exploit and foster endless wars, meddle for constant dissent.
*Divide-and-rule connects the dots on the timeline of history.*
Who has had (in all historical cases in the ME/Levant) the GEOGRAPHICAL ADVANTAGE of distance from the events resulting out of the own meddling and political activities, being able to reach all the other regions, but could not be reached itself as hegemony, at any given point of a historical timeline? Pax Romana, Rome. Pax Britannica, London. Pax Americana, Washington DC. All they ever wanted was *pax,* because they said so, but who picks up the *pieces of great wealth and the systemic gains* when all the others can be avoided from uniting?
*Different Empires. Different era. Same games...*
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The people of the Africa have been divided and ruled over by outsiders for centuries. Tribalism makes it easy to divide people, then keep them poor under the "kind foot" of exploitation. In the era of empires, first Rome/Constantinople in North Africa, then during the era of Western imperialism the seat of POWER playing these games changed to the USA/Europe, then after the 1950's as European colonialism's power decreased, Africa was the playground during the Cold War. Once the dividers had reached peak power for themselves, by simply drawing lines on the map without asking any of those affected (Congo Conference/1884) the own systems of gain could siphon off wealth like a giant vacuum cleaner. The intention was simply to avoid unity in Africa, in order to _rule over the dissent_ which is classical divide-and-rule. During the Cold War, Moscow took on the role of arming the resistance to the colonial dividers. Today, all African dissenters fighting against unity, including some of Africa's own greedy corrupt leaders, are ALL tools. Endless wars, constant dissent.
_Give the weak mind money, and they will dance for the outside dividers..._
*Divide-and-rule.*
Oldest trick in the book...
Different people and systems. Different places on the map. Same games.
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The people of the Americas, including the USA, have been divided and ruled over by outsiders for centuries. In the beginning stages of era of European Imperialism, first Spain and Portugal entered the Americas, employing the divide-and-rule technique of top-down power on the local systems (Aztecs/Incas), and as European colonial powers' influence decreased during the 19th century, the role of divider was simply taken over by Washington DC. As the own power increased incrementally, the entire world became the playground after around 1900. Today, it is the globalists who employ imperialist tools to play divide-and-rule games on their neighbours.
*Forget nukes. The divide-and-control/rule/conquer strategy is the most powerful force on the planet, because it can be employed equally in times of peace to CONTROL, in times of crises to RULE, and in times of war to CONQUER.*
Ever since the two-faced snake slithered down that tree of unity (fable), speaking out of both sides of the mouth (lies, deceit), the wisest human beings have fruitlessly warned, and the easily divisable have continuously been warned against divisions within a peaceful status quo. When you bow to the division caused by deception, you will lose the good life..."and much that once was, is lost; for none now live who remember it." Such divisions create GAIN for OUTSIDERS (Eden as a system divided by lies and deceit).
Now the intention is simply to avoid unity in the Americas, in order to rule over the dissent which is classical divide-and-rule. Endless wars on anything and everything from "drugs" to "terror" (sic.), constant dissent with everything's a war war war...
Insert levers of lies, mistrust. The *two-party-duopoly* is two cheeks of the same hind which set out to create favourites: Favouritism, by granting access to the own POWER/WEALTH, to those who volunteer to act as proxies and extensions for the own power projection. The small picture lives of domestic political chaos, of the big picture reality of international insanity. Point the systemic (MSM) finger, everywhere else, by use of the own paid stooges of power by presenting their deep state-orchestrated three-letter-agency astroturfed violence on multiple tiers as being the reactions of "the poor oppressed people, who need our help for freedom and democracy" (sic.). Liars, deceivers, creators of the BLACK LEGEND for the "other side".
*In February 1948, George F. Kennan's Policy Planning Staff said: "[W]e have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. ... Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity."* Kennan: A prototype GLOBALIST. And that is what they did to increase their own wealth. Set up people against each other, then siphon off the wealth of entire regions of the planet.
*And that is what you are fighting for. That is what the hegemon has always done, pretending to be the "good pax", but playing "good cop/bad cop" with the world, from a position of power.* In the past, the "good cops" were the INTERNATIONALISTS, and the "bad cops" were the IMPERIALISTS. In the present that has morphed into the "good cops" being the GLOBALISTS/NEOLIBS, and the "bad cops" being the NEOCONS. Name-branding and doublespeak for the slumberland plebs, enchanted by their "bread-and-circuses"-existences.
America's friends and self-proclaimed default rivals in Eurasia are still being burnt to ensure this disparity continues, with a (quote) "pattern of relationships" which are beneficial to the own rule. Set up European and Eurasian nations (including the Middle East/North Africa) against each other. It is how divide-and-rule is implemented. The imperialist playbook of Great Britain and the USA for more than 100 years. Read Halford Mackinder (Pivot of History, 1904) and Zbigniew Brzezinski (Grand Chessboard, 1997) regarding Eurasia for the template. Read W.T. Stead (Americanization of the World, 1901) for the guideline of political-, cultural- and economic capture. Read Smedley-Butler (War is a Racket) for the modus operandi of imperialism/militarism.
Some say Europe is a divine goddess. I say, it is a humble apple tree, from an allegory as old as modern civilizations, because it is easy to divide.
*Divide and Rule.*
Oldest trick in the book...
Four corners of the globe. Different cultures and religions. Same games.
THE LINK OF THE WORLD.
The entire system they favor in the USA/collective West is based on a pre-set *managed and moderated division,* for the benefit of a very few at the top of the pyramids accompanied by the often-repeated nice-sounding storyline. Create the script of the own heroes. Their entire scripted money-funded history sounds like a Hollywood superhero movie that sounds too good to be true. Guess what? It is. It is what they are NOT telling you, that they try to hide.
Who wields the POWER? Who has had the GEOGRAPHICAL ADVANTAGE of being able to reach all the other little buck catchers (tools, and other Roman-era style instruments of POWER), but could not be reached itself, because of a geographical-, technological-, organizational-, military-, strategic-, political advantage at any given point of a historical timeline? Create the default rival/enemy on their own marching routes. It is usually the power most likely to succeed which is determined as the default rival/enemy. Notice how, as soon as a rival starts mass-producing products high up in the value chain of capitalism, and starts vying for markets, and becomes successful, it immediately becomes the systemic rival, and is then geopolitically encircled by the greater empire. It happened around 1900, as Germany started building high-value products, and it happened around 2000, as China started moving away from building cheap toys and labor intensive kitchen appliances...
The games start on the home turf. The first victims are their own people in the USA/collective West, locked in the eternal struggle for wealth and personal gain which they have been deceived into thinking is "good greed", but which WILL be exploited by the snakes who deceive them on the domestic tier of the divide-and-rule system of power. Because ..."most of the great problems we face are caused by politicians creating solutions to problems they created in the first place." - Walter E. Williams
*War is a great **_divider._** It goes straight through the heads of millions and billions of people from the very top tiers, right down to the individual level. War divides alignments and alliances, goes straight through organizations, divides political parties, tears through families, and finally at the very bottom tier, goes straight through individual hearts and minds as individuals struggle with themselves.*
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While there is an increase in grid locking through its decision making body, i don't see US facing any existential problems. However if the grid locking continues you might see competition between it's institutions as seen in middle republic Rome, and eventually destruction of its institutions. The half century between fall of Gracchus brothers and Sulla's dictatorship is commonly considered the beginning of the end of the republic. And I don't think US is quite there, people will always gravitates towards charismatic demagogues, but the general populace is not so desperate that allows individuals to accrete power independent and at the expense of the state.
In a country where power is contested, stagnation will inevitably eat it alive. Success is irrelevant during such contests.
Thank you for this discussion! I wonder to what extent the current US situation mirrors the internal divide and dysfunction within the later-period Austro-Hungarian empire?
Lore of America is not Rome - but maybe the Ottoman Empire? Momentum 100
Brittish Empire was Rome, the US is the Byzantines
What do you mean with "some weak correlation" between spending and deficite. Its close to 100%! Government spends and does not tax back = deficite. Government does not tax the wealty enough -->. Asset prices rise because they cat fugure out what to do with the financial assets productively.
The thing is thr ottomans were on life support by the british. They used them as a counterbalance for russia
2:15 Not sure that governments develop because there is a concrete issue from without that is thrusting itself upon society as a whole. Sure there maybe were temporary tribal organizations that arose from a threat from without, but it is not why a standing goverment develops. It is "by no means a power forced on society from without" but a "product of inreconciliable class antagonisms."
Continuing "these classes with conflicting economic interests, might not consume themselves and society in fruitless struggle, it became necessary to have a power, seemingly standing above society, that would alleviate the conflict and keep it within the bounds of ’order’; and this power, arisen out of society but placing itself above it, and alienating itself more and more from it, is the state.”
Essentially the state arises when some classes have economic interests conflicting with others in society. For example, the shift from tribal society to early Serfdom is characterized by the enclosure of the commons -- when some Clansman or Fuedal lords (the family unit is necessary here) had enough wealth to physically enclose common lands and "force" or "encourage" peasants to live and work on the land with force of arms.
The dominant class then codifies the existing social relations and justify them as being "natural" and "for the good of all." Threats from without are often manufactured by the dominant class. For example the fuedal lord start a war with another fuedal lord for land, where neither peasant population stands to gain.
It'd probably be closer to ancient Babylon but all of them share characteristics. What is definitely coming though is digital ID, digital currency, Palantir pre crime program, a 1 world Government, etc.
What makes you think that a one world government is possible amongst rival elites with nuclear weapons? Nothing would indicate that as being in the realm of possibility. I know you wanna live through the end times for your life to be less boring but face the facts it’s not happening
This morning I pulled up the American Calvinism video to listen to for the third time, and I was thinking, "I haven't seen a Wes Cecil video suggested recently." Then as soon as AC is finished I'm offered a brand new video from Wes.
Ever read Unwin's "Sex and Culture?"
U may be right the logic is Constantinople was the head of rome n when Mehmed took its head he became ceaser of the world.
Think Carthage.
Baltic?
The ottomans didnt have a serious threat though to their rehional dominance. That is why thry lasted a bit longer
“Ottoman Empire isn’t quite global” is a ridiculous assessments. If you really took a map and researched and reasoned you’d quickly realise that indeed Roman Empire was replaced by the Ottomans and the actual world then was exactly where they ruled. Unlike the British Empire that ruled the tribal peoples of the globe. The seat of power is still very much so the CENTRAL REGION, obscured by the ridiculous vapid term of Middle East. If Middle East was a thing it would be India.
Ask an Anatolian poet if you want historic perspective.
Historically, Constantinople was indeed the global trade hub, for over 1500 years. - However, the moment the Ottoman Empire conquered the city, it lost "its Roman Empire magic" : The trade routes changed, Western Europe reacted by exploring and conquering the globe. The "middle east" was still "in the middle" . - But , it lost quite some of its outstanding global importance; very much to the detriment of the entire islamic culture. The empire continued with its military expansion; however, longterm ( over the course of four centuries) it lost its means to refund itself. Since the end of the seventeenth century, beginning stagnation. Since 1683: Slowly backwards. Since 1800: Sick man of Europe.
If a region was "the central region" from 1500 to 1800, not strictly geographically but of "global" commerce, then it was indeed probably France and the Netherlands.
@@Badbentham The Ottoman Empire greatly benefited from the silk road trade. WTF are you talking about?
@@majungasaurusaaaathe Silk Road got weaker and weaker over time. What do you not understand? It has waxed and waned over its long lifespan with it getting weaker since the the Europeans found alternative routes
If we adjyst for inflation us economt has nor realky grown since 2007
no parallels between USA & ottos.
You see ottos collapsed because of technological backwardness leading to military defeat and individual nationalities asking for their land back due to birth of nationalism.
USA is a world beater in tech and the individaul nationalities within it (irish, afros, italians) are not asking for irrendetism.
What was this?
Its amazing how useless can be the questions consuming the mind of a detached intellectual
I would say America is the early Late Roman Republic but neither Marius, Sula nor Caesar have marched on DC
Tis a good day!
Lol no.
Much to think about for everyone around the world!
Isn't homelessness a left-right issue, if most US cities are dominated by left-leaning mayors and counsels? Thoughts?
People are homeless either because there are no vacant apartments/houses or because people can't afford one. This is true regardless of whether a US state has a Republican or Democrat (who aren't leftists) majority.
Homelessness is caused by landlords jacking up rents too high and disabled people on public aid and low wage workers not being able to pay rent
Those "left leaning" mayors and city councilpeople are, as a rule, close allies of the local landlords and real estate developers - they keep rents high to keep those landlords rich, regardless of the misery that causes for working class and poor people
@@GREGORYABUTLERyeah they're "left leaning" socially. Not economically.
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I believe it only because the thimbnail guy has freakishly small hands like Trump
The USA is not an Empire, it cannot fall because its all one entity. Everyone in the usa is technically of anglo culture regardless of whatever hyphen they want to apply to each other. No one living in the usa wants to secede ftom it, the country has issues but saying its empire in decline is very wrong, its a superpower in decline definitely mostly because of its backing of a certain nation that has given the green light for other countries to start wars of expansion.
You left out a crucial point of weakness that brings down empires; identity politics.
The roman empire had the 'original' Romans that could trace their ancestry to the founding families of Rome. All the other 'immigrants' that became Romans were not really 'full' citizens that could fully ascend the social ladder of sociery. The army became increasingly populated by these disenfranchised Romans, and when push came to shove, they refused to die for an empire that took their sacrifice for granted.
The Ottomans fought too many wars both within and without. The Palace coups and intrigues were fascinating to say the least. Their policy of preparing only one fit heir to the throne also left them open to leadership vacuums in case the chosen one died too young or without a legitimate heir.
America is also obsessed with the WASP class and pushes them up and forward at the expense of all other groups of citizens, thus reducing them to second class citizens.
Britain is in a class war since 1066 but they are too cowardly to admit it. The people expect the government to sort of punch down on the poor and unfortunate and to scapegoat them for all the social ills. The current government is unpopular because they are shooting at everyone, taxing the wealthy, jailing the poor if they dare to riot.
I hope that helps a little. I could be wrong of course.
You are totally wrong about non-Italians being unable to make it to the top of the pile in Roman society. Most of the later Emperors were provincials, and it was entirely possible for a provincial to attain great authority.
@slimdiddyd I stand very corrected then. Thank you. But there was still anti foreign sentiment in Roman society. And it was casual and pervasive, especially for the obviously foreign types eg blonde and blue eyed with long beard and hair. And lots of tribes sported that northern European look.
America is not collapsing.
The primary US citizen is a polarizing conman who wears orange clown makeup. These are not optimistic indicators.
Yes, it is.
@Lumi_Lumi13 no
It's a controlled demolition, it's being transformed through social/human engineering efforts. Economically, collapse is inevitable. Politically, the United States is degenerate, socially backwards. Every society will eventually collapse, unless you believe the US will last forever which is incredibly unreasonable.