Kind of… he comes on the clouds on a throne and later he is on a horse.we don’t know what happens every moment in between but generally the second coming is his arrival on the horse in Jerusalem.but yes there is no secret rapture. Every eye shall see.
Sound teaching in accordance with what Jesus said. Our gathering/first risurrection of the dead will take place after the tribulation. Thank you for your boldness.🙏🌞🌻❤️
A wonderful teaching, thank you Joel. Also, just had a wonderful revelation today of our oneness with Israel, our being grafted in! When one part of the body suffers the whole suffers too
And the two witnesses are the two Olive trees Romans chapter 11 the Jews and Gentiles are two Olive trees. We are the two witnesses basically. A branch from each tree will preach to the world. Then the end will come
Very good teaching, Joel! Your last point about the first resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is exactly what the Lord drew my attention to three days ago. Very well said, the Bible doesn't teach resurrection 1a and resurrection 1b. I wanted to find a video that adresses exactly this issue, and here it came today! Very good point with 2 Thessalonians 1:7 as well. Usually I focus on 2 Thessalonians 2 when disproving the Pre-Trib, but 2 Thess. 1:7 is a very strong argument against 'a secret rapture'. Actually the whole idea that the rapture will be secret when hundreds of thousands, even millions of people will just disappear and others rise from the dead is beyond ridiculous. But putting that aside, the Scriptures are more than clear. Thank you for sharing ! Maranatha!
Recently, the subject oLord’s return come up in a group setting, and no one there was real emphatic about pre-rapture, but when I shared what I believe in what you believe they all kind of just shut down it was like, so it’s not a popular subject when most of the church is preach pre-trip
3:10 Amen, Still calling His Father and Our Father and His God and Our God. John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12. Because He is the Image of the Invisible God, The first born of all creation. Colossians 1:15
Thank you so much for your insights, sincerely! I know that my opinion differs from yours, but I have truly enjoyed meditating over your ideas and especially over the passages that you have shared and compared. I have learned much. I deeply appreciate your work for the Lord and your commitment to biblical truth and biblical proof.
Once someone believes in the pre-trib rapture, it’s very difficult for them to see anything else. I meet my best friends dad for Bible study every week and he’s diehard pre-trib. I’ve shown him the clear passages over and over but he refuses to see it. And I’ve shared videos such as this one and he won’t watch them. It’s so sad and frustrating when he says to me “you’ll come around someday”.
When I was a baby believer, I was only taught pretrib theory, and that was “bedrock truth” as far as I was concerned. Then, one day I was reading a pretrib book basically twisting 2 Thess 2 where the author said, (even though it says very clearly the opposite) that the verses are backwards and not to be read as they are presented in scripture My reaction: “What!?!” Then they began saying apostasy really meant departure. Me again: “WHAT!!” And those 2 things broke the mind control off of me and the blinders fell. What else was I being lied to about? That was the beginning of seeking Gods word and what He meant it to say and not what man made tradition says it means.
@@dwellinj1513Same here. When you discover that doctrine was preached false, it makes you question everything else. I had to do a thorugh study on all my faith to nail it down. It will bring a person closer to God for studying for yourself without a preacher to tell you what to believe.
The thing is that unless someone is open to truth, they wont hear. It is real easy for the carnal mind to make the Word of God say what it wants it to. This is what divides the church. But if we have the same Spirit, then we should hear the same thing. Maybe not at first but if we meditate on what we hear, the Holy Spirit will show us the truth. The carnal mind is Gods enemy and here we can understand why. We must have the Holy Spirit showing us truth, no matter who is teaching. If we are trusting in what the man is saying in his intelllect. Then we can stumble into error. The Holy Spirit is the only one who can reveal the truth but we have to be open to recieve what He shows us. That is why when we see error, we do not judge the person in error. God shows us or allows us to see the error for 2 reasons. So that we can avoid the error ourselves. To pray that He will open the eyes of the ones that are in error. We do not judge the ones in error, or we will find ourselves being judged the same way. We can all have error if we are not listening to what the Holy Spirit is saying. Humility before God will keep us in His grace and He will show us the truth. IMO
The Apostle John had much to say about when the resurrection would be as well. John 6:39-40,44,54, and Jh 11:24 state that it would be on the last day. Should be very plain from all this scripture that the resurrection and rapture are all the same event.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for teaching the truth about the deception being perpetrated by the pre-tribulation rapture teachers. So many of our brothers and sisters will be open and susceptible to the miracles performed by the false prophet and the dynamic charisma of the anti-Christ because they have been taught that they will emphatically, without question, be taken from earth to heaven BEFORE the anti-Christ is revealed. The Dragon is well-pleased with the deception, since it will make it easier for Him to deceive even the elect. Matthew 24:24-27. Thank you, Joel, for standing firm for the truth of the Second Coming of our Lord and Savior.
Apostle Paul was a man of God hearing from the Lord via the Holy Spirit of God's witness to his spirit. The equivalence of walking with God. This is the same Spirit who raised Jesus from staying dead/asleep! The only New Adam (hence He also calls Himself a Son of Man) for the redemption of humanity out of natural sin's destiny.. to an eternal life with Him back to God the Father. Noone comes to the Father hearing from Him without going through the remission of our sin via the Lord Jesus's provision.. The imagery of the Lamb of God. HE is both the Lamb and the Lion of Judah, the branch of David from the root of Jesse.
I saw your channel a few years ago and stopped listening to you because I was pretrib and didn't like that idea so I kept these that tickled my ears. Praise God he led me back to your channel I see it now. We go up when Jesus appears Praise God. We should be ready for times of trouble if it's gonna happen while we are here still
I am glad you taught on Daniel 12:1-2. To me it is the most clear description of the rapture of the church in all of Scripture, and very rarely do I hear anybody use it as evidence of a post tribulation rapture. The Lord has really put this issue of the timing of the rapture so heavy on my heart, as my prayer for 20+ years was for God to not let me die in the rapture by way of a car accident or being on a plane when the pilot disappeared. I promised Him when I saw the Christian's and children disappear, I would KNOW He is real and I would live for Him. After having an encounter with Jesus 5 years ago, I began to read my Bible. I didn't even know there was a debate over the timing of the rapture, but I asked a Christian friend of mine, "why don't I see any of the stuff from the Left Behind series in my Bible?" As I began to ask God why He didn't just answer my prayer the way I asked Him to, He made it clear through His Word that if He had answered my prayer the way I was asking Him to, I would have been eternally separated from Him forever. I think there are many people who believe how I used to, that one day God will rapture His church, and that will be the sign that He is real and their indicator to turn their lives toward Him. I also believe when things don't happen how pre trib teachers and believers said they will happen, many will curse God and call Him a liar. I believe many have made Heaven their idol and the rapture their savior. I hope and pray that the eyes of people get opened before it is too late. While I agree with many that belief in pre or post will not directly result in one's salvation or not, I believe that eventually, belief in a deceptive teaching can and will lead many away from Christ and into the kingdom of darkness. God Bless you Brother and your family. Thank you for all you do in humility and obedience for the Kingdom of God. ☝🏻🙏🏻❤️🙌🏻
I had a dream back when i dont know any thing about the rapture, Flying in the air at night and shouting whith Joy, and there was two angelic being's beside me. Then i saw bulldings getting destroyed by fire.
I am not sure how people can miss this, but Paul was very specific that the dead will be raised first before those that remain are "caught up" (raptured), and we have Yeshua Himself tell us FOUR times that it will happen on the LAST day and Martha quoting Him as well. 1 Th 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and *the dead in Christ shall rise first: THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,* to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Joh 6:39-40 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should *raise it up again at the last day.* And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and *I will raise him up at the last day.* Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and *I will raise him up at the last day.* Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and *I will raise him up at the last day.* Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in *the resurrection at the last day.*
Hey Joe! Looking forward to our upcoming radio interview on Open Up The Doors this Thursday, June 1 at 10 AM EST! All are invited to tune in! God bless!
What has 'blinded' our pre-trib bretheran? Perhaps: 1) They are ignorant (or ignore) the purpose of suffering. 2) They teach that you utter a 1 minute prayer, die and then "go to heaven." Jesus' own words focused upon repentance (turn around; change) AND The Kingdom! 3) They don't understand the verse where parusia is an image of meeting the returning King and turning around to accompany Him back to the earth. 4) The Kingdom will have a King, laws, penalties and consequences. 5) Rewards will vary from 100 fold to "barely making it.". PS LEAST in the Kingdom are those who break the (least of the) commandments AND teach others to do so. 6) "He who endures until the end shall be saved." 7) Finally, Zechariah 14: In the Kingdom millennium, the nations who do not appear in Jerusalem with gifts for the King shall not get rain. The Sabbaths shall be restored. 🙏
Many people put more importance on what their “denomination” has been teaching for decades, which was often promulgated by one man, than seeking the truth of Gods word. It was the same with the Pharisee’s who cling to their “doctrines” above the possibility that they didn’t know or understand the truth of what God was actually saying and planning. The people cling to their denomination and their pastors, the pastors cling to their positions and the doctrines of the main office.
Do you believe the jews who believe at His coming will be turned immortals or go into the millennium as mortals and be in the land with the mortal gentile nations as well
Where does it say the righteous are resurrected at the end of the millennium? Believers before the rapture will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, correct? Believers after the rapture will enter as mortals, correct?
@@carolraulston1002 "And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years." Rev 20:4-6.
Mathew 24:37-39 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. It’s hard for me to imagine eating and drinking, marrying, and giving into marriage while all those seal, Trumpet, and bowl judgements are happening. Are they doing that after their hearts fail them in fear, or after they wish the mountain to fall on them? It’s hard to imagine partying at a wedding towards the end of the tribulation . I could see partying Pre-Trib or Pre-Wrath. How does the Post-Trib argument interpret this?
First, there is only one "coming" never once does the Bible ever says "comings." It is always the "coming of the Lord." This is His glorious coming. So how can the various judgments be loosed while many humans go about their business? On the first several days that Baghdad was being most heavily bombed by American troops in Gulf War II, around 50% of the people still got up and drove to work each day. Humans have something called normalcy bias. No matter how bad things are, they stretch toward normalcy like a rubber band. Second, the judgments are all described in rather extreme and hyperbolic wats. One can only assume that some are rather regional and others more global. One may be concentrated in one part of the world etc. The point is simple. As the world is being judged by God, many will be pretending that life is still normal and trying to go about their business.
@@JoelRichardson Thanks for the reply Joel. You could be right and that it’s just regional. It’s just hard to wrap my head around the earth going to a fro like a drunkard and islands moving out of their place, and people partying at a wedding… but hey I went to Disneyland during the LA RIOTS in 1992… The place was empty. So I get what your saying. Since I have you here. What’s your take on Psalms 90:10, and the claim that it describes a generation being between 70 -80 years, and applying that to May 1948 in the context of not a generation shall pass. With the way the world is going, I wouldn’t be shocked if 2028 is the mid point of the Trib, and feast of Trumpets either 3 1/2 years before or after that is when the last Trump Sounds and the Dead in Christ Rise first. Interesting side note: And I still have to verify this. That the Jews call the Feast of Trumpets, “The feast that no one knows the day nor the hour.” If that was true during Jesus’s time, then it was a huge clue right?
Matthew 13:20-21 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. Ephesians 6:13-14 “Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness…” It is interesting that truth is worn like a belt. Belts were used to gird one’s loins to prepare oneself for work or battle. You can only stand on or for something if you know the truth about it. If you don’t know or believe that you must withstand in the evil day, you are less likely to take a stand.
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me SHALL NEVER DIE. Believest thou this?” John 11:25-26 KJV This is where Paul got the idea that “We who are alive and remaining” shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and shall never die.
@@stephenszucs8439 Yes the physical body is considered to be sleeping but not the real person that inhabited that physical body. They are "present with the Lord". And when Paul said the Lord would bring with Him those who died in Him, He was obviously referring to the spirits of those Saints who died in Him; not their sleeping bodies. He can't "bring" with Him from heaven dead bodies that have been buried in the earth.
@@TheRgordon16 Exactly true. Nor does he bring with him the changed bodies of the one who are alive and remain. Those changed, living people he meets in the (Gr) AER, or lower, visible sky and brings them with him to the earth to begin his triumphant march into Jerusalem to reenact the "Palm Sunday" parade.
@@stephenszucs8439 I agree with you up until you say the saints on earth who rise in the air to meet the Lord, is going to come right back down with Jesus. Isaiah 26:19-21 speaks about the dead rising and then they are told to HIDE in their chambers. Hide from what? The Wrath of God. I do not believe the church will be raptured and then immediately come right back down to escort the Lord to Jerusalem. The Rapture happens before God’s wrath is poured out. And His wrath is not poured out until the 6th Seal is opened (Revelation 6:12-17); not the 1st Seal.
All that's needed is for there to be a sufficient population of unbelievers who didn't receive the mark of the beast. Note that Revelation does not say these will _all_ have been killed. Their number could include so-called Christians who weren't true Christians (cf. Matthew 24:42-51) yet refused to take the mark, followers of other religions who refused to take the mark, and children too young to take the mark.
Brett - my two cents - The seven seals are seven judgments, and the seven bowls are wrath. The first two seals have already been opened. The first is a white horse whose rider has a bow in his hand. This is not a bow as in bow and arrow, it is a rainbow. It signifies a movement we are all familiar with that has a rainbow flag. This rider causes a significant increase in sexual immorality and sexual confusion, as in the days of Noah, and was released some time ago (think election 2008 and pretty colors flashed upon the capitol building). The second rider which is on a red horse releases war across the globe. This rider has been released more recently. Countries that are not at war with neighboring countries will be at war within themselves (civil, race, religious, etc... wars). This will eventually lead to global nuclear war. The book of Judges shows us the purpose of judgment is to cause people to repent of their wickedness and turn to the Lord. Unfortunately judgment usually affects the evil and the good as we see with Daniel and his friends being deported to Babylon. I recently heard a prophetic word that Russia, China, and India would suffer very severe famine. This would be from the third seal/horse. I suspect that other areas will also be adversely affected. The seven bowls are God's wrath, and we will be up in the atmosphere with Yeshua watching as they are poured out (Psa 91:7-8). When Apophis arrives on Friday the 13th, April 2029 this will begin. Revelation 8:6-12, 16:2-9 are caused by Apophis. Keep in mind that Revelation gives us two parallel accounts, from two different perspectives, of the "end times". The first account ends with chapter 11, and the second account begins with chapter 12 which is why you see many things mentioned twice. When you read Revelation with this in mind it will make a lot more sense.
Question: can y pls explain who is the guests, who is the bride and then at what stage is the bema seat and what about the christians that arr backslidden and cold? Where and when does everybody fit in? Sorry for the stupid questions but i want to learn
Thanks for this wonderful teaching Joel 😇😇😇 I have a question: how does the 144 000 get into heaven just after fighting the mark AND before the start of the wrath? The 144 000 are winners against the mark, means they were on earth during the mark period, then after, the 144 000 are present in heaven at the ceremony of the commencement of the wrath. Thank you God bless you 🕊️🕊️🕊️
43:28 You keep saying that the blessed hope IS the coming/appearing of the Lord in glory. But the verse you reference at 29:51 (Titus 2:13) clearly makes a distinction between the blessed hope AND the appearing. That verse, unless the AND is a typo, does not say the blessed hope IS the appearing, as you keep repeating. Due to the AND, there are clearly two things in the verse: the blessed hope, AND the appearing of the glory of our great God. We're looking for the blessed hope that is eternal life in Jesus, AND looking for the appearing of our great God and savior. My KJV has a comma after "hope." So the verse actually reads "looking for the blessed hope, and the appearing..." The first chapter defines the "blessed hope" of 2:13. 1:2 says "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;"
The Blessed Hope IS His glorious appearing. There are not two separate events. Most of the newer, more accurate translations get this correct. See for example, the ESV, the CSB, the NET, the NIV all convey this more accurately. If you say HIs glorious appearing is not our blessed hope, you must perfect nearly the entire biblical testimony.
@JoelRichardson When does Jesus appear from heaven? I think He appears in Revelation 6:16. Psalm 7:7 He returns on high for the sake of the congregation. They are hidden in the day of His fierce anger. Zephaniah 2:3, Job 14:15 Until the indignation is past Isaiah 26:19-21 Psalm 68:8-9 & 24 Isaiah 52:10-12 Psalm 27:5 Psalm 31:20 "Who is able to stand?" Revelation 6:17 Psalm 76:7-9 Malachi 3:2 The innumerable multitude in Revelation 7:9. Who are they? 1st Kings 3:7-8 Numbers 23:9-10 Genesis 13:16 Romans 9:6-8 Ezekiel 37:3, Revelation 7:13 "You know" Who is able to stand in His presence? Psalm 24:3-6 Hebrews 11:6
5:42 LXX Job 19:25 For I know that he is eternal who is about to deliver me, Job 19:26 and to raise up upon the earth my skin that endures these sufferings: for these things have been accomplished to me of the Lord; The original Greek in the Septuagint never says he's going to see. He just believes on faith and it is accounted to him by his faith. Jesus said: John 20:29 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: 👉blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.👈
What do you say to those who call the church isreal? Would you say being in the commonwealth of Isreal means we are Isreal and when we read about Isreal it's also the church?
@@JoelRichardson thank you. I agree. But they use the isreal of God and in the commonwealth with Isreal and grafted onto to olive tree and support to say the church is true isreal. I do apologetically work against this doctrine but it is mountain of a movement
Maybe you could compare it to the 🇬🇧 British commonwealth. A Canadian 🍁 /Aussie 🇦🇺 /kiwi 🥝 is(gentiles in this comparison) are not British but, have far more rights in the UK then none commonwealth citizens. The point is = you could never say peter is not Israel(🇬🇧 British in my comparison) you can only say that a gentile believer is not part of 'main' Israel. If Joel is right on the other hand that would mean Peter himself and the apostles and church of God are grafted in (unbelieving) Israel. That would seriously mean that the israel that is fallen and stoned Stephen to death is higher then believing Israel. I beg your pardon, but that's the world upside-down to me. I once believed strongly in the so called israel theory.
@@endtimesnowwithjohnnybargo3028 Like Joel said read your bible! Where does it say God has disowned His beloved people for the 'church'? Why was a remnant always saved, and will be again at the end?. And Christ came to die for ALL, the Jew First and then the gentiles. That teaching you are hanging onto is totally false. Replacement theology is A lie from the devil!
@@scott596 There are many uses of the word generation in the Bible. The time of the generation varies greatly from 70 years to as long as any of your heirs are alive. it can also mean all the people of a certain nation or belief system.
@@stephenszucs8439 in Genesis, God said it's Appointed Man a 120 Year's, he said this After the Son's of God the Watcher's came down unto the Daughter's of Man, and again to Abraham, God said it's Appointed Man a 120 Year's, so just because most people don't live that long doesn't mean a generation is less than 120. Year's ! There is supposed to be a small Remnant of people, as part of the generation that won't pass away until the Lord Jesus Christ Return's. So what generation will see the Lord Jesus Christ Return ? And how old will they be ? Perhaps over a 100 Year's Old, so not too many Left to see the Lord Jesus Christ Return ! Like the Old man in front of the Temple, when Joseph and Mary brought baby Jesus Christ to the Temple, the Old man said He knew he would get to see the Holy Messiah come before he died !
@@stephenszucs8439 the generation that See's the Fig Tree Olive Tree, shall not Pass Away, but will see the Lord Our God Jesus Christ Return ! How Old will the Remnant of those people be when the Lord Our God Jesus Christ Return's in the Cloud's of Heaven ?
The arm of the Lord all points to a second exodus. This time, Jerusalem is the new Egypt, Rev. 11:8, and they will not go out in haste, Is 52:10-12, as they did in the first exodus, Deut 16:3. So Christ shows up to rapture his people, bares His arm for the whole world to see in vengeance, and then does an exodus with his raptured people serving as their guard. Then he will return, Jude 14, with myriads of his holy ones, his glorified saints who are now kings of the kingdom, to execute judgment on the ungodly, where all authority has been taken away from angels and given to the children of man during the opening of the seven seals and the announcement of the seven trumpets, for the Bible says, "he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate," Luke 1:52.
Joel you lose me with talk of the 'secret' rapture. My understanding of my reading of Scripture is that we are not subject to God's wrath. There is only one second coming I have no argument with that. He saved Lot before His wrath on S & G. Noah was also saved. How He will protect us, I don't know. It could be by having us meet Him in the air (not on earth). I get a sense you equate the Church with Israel - I know many do but I don't get that either. I just know thst regardless, I am safe
The reason he refers to it as a “secret” rapture is because that is what the pretribulation rapture doctrine calls it. Most people that are pretrib that I have encountered, including myself, have never actually studied the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture. They only know verses here and there that they’ve been taught out of context. Example: “we are not appointed unto wrath” I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. The question is, when is God’s wrath poured out? The tribulation is not God’s wrath. That is what causes so much confusion for pretribbers. They conflate the two. Read Revelation 16:1. That specifically shows and says when God’s wrath is poured out.
The wrath of God is only poured out in the bowls of wrath. Nothing before that is the wrath of God. You will not be removed seven years before the wrath of God is poured out.
Galatians 3, By Faith We are the Seed of Abraham and the Promise of God and Jesus Christ. Who is Israel ? Daniel 9 Say's, your People and your City, named after the Lord, Israel. So Jesus Christ is Israel, and the Tribe's of Israel are the Natural Branches and Christian's are the Wild Branches, both Grafted into Israel Jesus Christ. There is Neither Jew nor Gentile All One in Israel Jesus Christ. God Bless you Sister in Jesus Christ
@@JoelRichardson i first would like to thank you for taking such a strong stand against Pre-tribulationalism. I love your videos and materials. I hold to the Pre-wrath rapture position and i find myself agreeing more and more with historic pre-millenialism. With that being said, i just to give a friendly response to what you said about the bowl judgements ONLY being the Eschatological Day of the LORD's wrath. The 6th seal being opened i believe is the "coming of our Lord and our being gathered together to him." This also goes hand in hand with Matthew 24:29-31.. I'll just get straight to the point, i believe that the trumpet and bowl judgements are the day of the LORD'S wrath. I believe the rapture and resurrection of the dead happens at the 6th seal being opened. To my understanding, the Pre-wrath position has always held that the Eschatological Day of the LORD'S wrath consists of the trumpet and bowl judgements. If the trumpet judgments are the wrath of God than that would be a Post-wrath Rapture which kind of defeats the purpose of the rapture. Anyways, may God bless you brother joel. I am praying for you and your ministry.📖✝️🙏
No scholar of the whole bible. It is a living book that speaks to us daily as/if we truly consume it with the Lord spiritually illuminating its meanings to us. Not a "preacher of pretrib" per se, but I do believe and so witness about Him as the apostles/disciples of old did. Daniel 9 explains the purpose of the 70th week.. scholars work out to be the last 7 years primarily to end the rebellion of harlotry (taking other gods/denying Him) and restorative redemption of the remnant Israel of God. So personally I think once Rev 6 begins, this 70th week begins. A time of Jacob's trouble i.e. oppositions for the heart converted believers.. which is of course Not synonymous to God's wrath on ungodliness for these ones. Being cautious about hyper dispensation divisions ought not divide on perceptions of the truth ("throwing the tub out with the bath water"). GOD will indeed settle the matter as time unfolds up ahead.
We come WITH Him at the second coming. I cant see us going up and coming right back down? For where He is we will be also, and then come with Him. This is where you lose me a little bit your explanation brother Joel. A post great trib rapture at the second coming is hard to grasp, because we are already coming With Him. Where does it say HE must come back onto earth for the rapture? I look at it like Stephen who saw Christ standing in Heaven. He could just stand in heaven, in the clouds of glory, saying "come up here", at the last trumpet, before the Bowls of HIS WRATH are poured out on the earth. I hope that doesnt sound Gnostic, just a thought. So I believe that is when we , [jew and gentile believers still alive], are all gathered home to be with Him, along with the res. of the true believers from the dead and the martyred saints coming out of the great trib. at that instant. I think Dalton has a similar view on this? [as to the timing, which is probably very near the second coming, but just not at the same time.?] Those Jews who fled Jerusalem and Israel/Judea to the wilderness at the mid trib abomination are protected where they are and they will believe when They SEE Him and us all Coming at the second coming. They will go into the millennium as humans to re-populate the world then. We will be with Christ, like Him, in our glorified [angelic like] bodies, during the millennium and beyond forever.
Mike - Yeshua will return and appear in the atmosphere. We will be taken up to be with Him in the atmosphere and watch as the wrath of God is poured out (Psa 91:7-8). THEN we return with Him to rule and reign on the Earth for a thousand years. There is no vacation in heaven while all the bad stuff is happening. In other words, if at some time in the future you find yourself in heaven you were not "raptured", you died.
It makes less sense that Jesus comes half way back then turns around and then goes back. the Bible has the people leaving Jerusalem to meet Him and then going back with Him into the city. That is the pattern. We go out to meet Him and all return together.
All these pre-tribulation, post-tribulation, this and that, yet Jesus' words get selective mention (speaking in general, not necessarily Joel). For example, do Protestant christians avoid Jesus's own words that on that day, all who are in the graves will hear his voice and rise up: Those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. Jesus himself said it! Even Joel skips this verse, I guess, when he says that the resurrection of the dead is the resurrection of righteous dead (implied that the evildoers don't get to be resurrected at that time). Theologians/preachers selectively skip Jesus's own ideas and statements ha ha.
Jesus is the first fruits of the resurrection. But He was not the only one who rose from the dead. The scriptures clearly teach that the graves were opened after Jesus rose from the dead. Old Testament saints appeared to many. I believe they also ascended to heaven with Jesus. And they probably represent the 24 Elders John saw in heaven. Also the two prophets will raise from the dead and shall be caught up to heaven in the presence of their enemies. Joel assumes the First Resurrection means the ONLY Resurrection of the righteous saints at the end of Daniel’s 70th Week, but I believe he is mistaken. The First Resurrection Began with Jesus as the first fruits, then the Old Testament saints in Matthew 27:52-53, The Two Witnesses, then the Rapture of the Church. The FIRST RESURRECTION encompasses all of these resurrections. Paul said the dead IN CHRIST shall rise first before the living is transformed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. That means every person that has died IN CHRIST from the first recorded martyred Christian Stephen to the last martyred Christians during the tribulation period.
The Bible does not teach that any of those who rose from the dead went to heaven with Jesus. He presented Himself to the Father as the first fruits offering. This He told Mary. Lazarus was raised from the dead but wasn't recorded as going to heaven. We don't know who the 2 witnesses are. You make too many assumptions. Stick to the scriptures and it's ok to say, "we don't know." Blessings, 🙏
@@eswn1816 Please study the scriptures carefully FIRST before assuming the scriptures doesn’t speak about this topic. “Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: Thou hast received gifts for men; Yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord GOD might dwell among them.” Psalm 68:18 KJV “Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, And gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)” Ephesians 4:8-10 KJV So it would appear as though, those who Jesus appeared to in the lowest parts of the Earth, are the ones who rose from the dead after His resurrection and eventually He lead them into heaven when He ascended. Using Lazarus as an example doesn’t work because Lazarus was raised BEFORE Jesus completed His redemptive work by dying on the cross and raising from the dead. Those who’s graves were opened in Matthew 27:52-53 were resurrected AFTER Jesus rose from the dead. You ASSUME they simply died again but you have no scripture saying they died again. And it makes no sense for them to die again after being raised when Jesus rose from the dead. Those Old Testament saints were dead for some hundreds and others thousands of years. They were now able to enter into heaven because of Jesus’ completed work. So the idea that they would raise from the dead only to die again, after waiting for so long, makes absolutely no sense.
@@eswn1816 oh and by the way. Knowing who the two witnesses are is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains, two witnesses will be killed and raised from the dead and then raptured to heaven ALONE. They will not be apart of the main rapture described in 1 Thessalonians 4:16. This again proves the FIRST resurrection does not imply the rapture is the ONLY resurrection
Romans 8:19 speaks of the Manifestation of the Sons of God, the Overcomers, the Clouds who are used to reveal the Power and Glory of God. Those who SEE and believe in Christ will be healed and saved, those who reject Christ will Flee and be removed.
When Christ Ascended into the CLOUDS, 2 Angels SUDDENLY APPEARED. They told the Disciples this Christ will Return the same way He Left. How will Christ return? In the form of 2 Angels, the Clouds!
Joel, I'm a little confused. It sounds like those who were beheaded in the tribulation get the honor of ruling with Jesus for a thousand years. Is this thousand years talking about the millennial reign? Then is the first ressurection after that? Who is the rest of the dead referring to? Is this the wicked? It sounds like the comment of the first ressurection is referring to those who came to life after the thousand years. It's confusing to me. Sorry if I didn't word this correctly. I'm old, lol
Hi Lori, I believe that those sleeping believers who are revived in the first resurrection and those who are living believers and are raptured will rule with Jesus on earth for one thousand years. After that millennium, those who died without Jesus and those who died before Jesus (ie. Old Testament believers and unbelievers) will be revived at the great white throne judgement.
Sounds odd to say that OT believers are not included in the 1st resurrection but I believe that because Jesus said that “the least in the kingdom is greater than John the Baptist” and I interpret that to mean that John the Baptist is not in the kingdom, because he died before the kingdom came.
@@JulieKnegt ... Hi Julie. The OT believers, died believing Christ would come. Even as The woman at the well said to Jesus, John 4:25... Paul also tells us, in 1Cor.10:1-12...that when the children of Israel were in the desert, they ate the manna, and drank of the Rock, which is Christ; thus they were also members of the body of Christ : one bread one body. Abraham saw Christ, and rejoiced (John 8:56). David also saw Jesus (Psalm 110:1-7). You see, OT believers, believed that He would come, and NT believers, believe He has already come, and will come again. So, the OT believers are members of the body of Christ, and will rise at the first resurrection, with all those that believe in Christ. We will be together with the "cloud of witnesses "... the cloud of witnesses are those mentioned in Hebrews chapter 11, and chapter 12, verse 1.
Hi Lori. According to John 5:28-29, it appears there are 2 resurrections. The 1st of the good, unto the resurrection of life, and then the evil unto the resurrection of damnation. The 1st resurrection occurs at Christ's return, immediately after the tribulation. The 2nd resurrection appears to occur after the millennial reign, at The Great White Throne judgement, when the prison of hell, gives up those that were held in reserve for this judgement; where they are judged according to their works. They will be cast into the fire, body and soul. (Mat.10:28, Rev.20:11-15).
Dude! His arm ruling for Him: that's the glorified saints! His might that comes with Him, His reward that is with him, His ruling that is with Him, these are all describing the already glorified saints coming with Him in Is 40:10! Sorry, I'm just excited by these verses.
Anyone who has read the Bible can tell you what it says but no one can tell you, for sure, what it means. If they could, everyone would be in agreement. There would be no pre this or post that. The Bible is a puzzle that no one can solve. That's God's plan. He has told us what we need to know for now. Put your faith and trust in Yeshua and you will be saved.
I wish I could make Christians understand this one fact: There is only ONE return of Christ that will occur on the DAY OF THE LORD. J.M.M.
Amen
Amen ❤
Well ask yourself what or how did it open your eye?
I wish and pray to open eyes too. That's what we are called to do. Open eyes and ears before the great and terrible day of our Lord. ❤
Kind of… he comes on the clouds on a throne and later he is on a horse.we don’t know what happens every moment in between but generally the second coming is his arrival on the horse in Jerusalem.but yes there is no secret rapture. Every eye shall see.
Maranatha Brothers and Sisters in Christ!
Excellent as usual. Taught at a level that any honest seeker will get it. Much needed
Amazing bible teaching by Pastor Joel Richardson!
Looking forward to the conference in Dallas. My husband will hear for the first time! Behold He comes riding on the clouds at the trumpet sound!!!
Sound teaching in accordance with what Jesus said. Our gathering/first risurrection of the dead will take place after the tribulation. Thank you for your boldness.🙏🌞🌻❤️
A wonderful teaching, thank you Joel. Also, just had a wonderful revelation today of our oneness with Israel, our being grafted in! When one part of the body suffers the whole suffers too
And the two witnesses are the two Olive trees Romans chapter 11 the Jews and Gentiles are two Olive trees. We are the two witnesses basically. A branch from each tree will preach to the world. Then the end will come
So pleasing to hear sound end time doctrine 💖
Super Job revealing The Way few will find when those ReAd SEE Opens & Closes for The Spiritual Tribes of Israel! 😇
Very good teaching, Joel! Your last point about the first resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is exactly what the Lord drew my attention to three days ago. Very well said, the Bible doesn't teach resurrection 1a and resurrection 1b. I wanted to find a video that adresses exactly this issue, and here it came today! Very good point with 2 Thessalonians 1:7 as well. Usually I focus on 2 Thessalonians 2 when disproving the Pre-Trib, but 2 Thess. 1:7 is a very strong argument against 'a secret rapture'. Actually the whole idea that the rapture will be secret when hundreds of thousands, even millions of people will just disappear and others rise from the dead is beyond ridiculous. But putting that aside, the Scriptures are more than clear. Thank you for sharing ! Maranatha!
SIMPLY GREAT STUFF! THANK YOU!
Recently, the subject oLord’s return come up in a group setting, and no one there was real emphatic about pre-rapture, but when I shared what I believe in what you believe they all kind of just shut down it was like, so it’s not a popular subject when most of the church is preach pre-trip
Excellent teaching....Thank you Joel
3:10 Amen, Still calling His Father and Our Father and His God and Our God. John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12. Because He is the Image of the Invisible God, The first born of all creation. Colossians 1:15
Thank you so much for your insights, sincerely! I know that my opinion differs from yours, but I have truly enjoyed meditating over your ideas and especially over the passages that you have shared and compared. I have learned much. I deeply appreciate your work for the Lord and your commitment to biblical truth and biblical proof.
Thank you.
good job. Wonderfully clear.
Once someone believes in the pre-trib rapture, it’s very difficult for them to see anything else. I meet my best friends dad for Bible study every week and he’s diehard pre-trib. I’ve shown him the clear passages over and over but he refuses to see it. And I’ve shared videos such as this one and he won’t watch them. It’s so sad and frustrating when he says to me “you’ll come around someday”.
My sister is exactly the same. At least now she doesn’t say to me I’m going to hell because I no longer believe in the pre-rapture.
When I was a baby believer, I was only taught pretrib theory, and that was “bedrock truth” as far as I was concerned.
Then, one day I was reading a pretrib book basically twisting 2 Thess 2 where the author said, (even though it says very clearly the opposite) that the verses are backwards and not to be read as they are presented in scripture
My reaction: “What!?!”
Then they began saying apostasy really meant departure.
Me again: “WHAT!!”
And those 2 things broke the mind control off of me and the blinders fell.
What else was I being lied to about? That was the beginning of seeking Gods word and what He meant it to say and not what man made tradition says it means.
@@dwellinj1513Same here. When you discover that doctrine was preached false, it makes you question everything else. I had to do a thorugh study on all my faith to nail it down. It will bring a person closer to God for studying for yourself without a preacher to tell you what to believe.
@@dwellinj1513 AMEN
Is there a way i can find "all" these individual programs about rapture..If I go to fai website and search new but not all the programs are there
Just go to TH-cam and type in FAIStudios. There is a playlist.
The thing is that unless someone is open to truth, they wont hear. It is real easy for the carnal mind to make the Word of God say what it wants it to. This is what divides the church. But if we have the same Spirit, then we should hear the same thing. Maybe not at first but if we meditate on what we hear, the Holy Spirit will show us the truth. The carnal mind is Gods enemy and here we can understand why. We must have the Holy Spirit showing us truth, no matter who is teaching. If we are trusting in what the man is saying in his intelllect. Then we can stumble into error. The Holy Spirit is the only one who can reveal the truth but we have to be open to recieve what He shows us.
That is why when we see error, we do not judge the person in error. God shows us or allows us to see the error for 2 reasons. So that we can avoid the error ourselves. To pray that He will open the eyes of the ones that are in error. We do not judge the ones in error, or we will find ourselves being judged the same way. We can all have error if we are not listening to what the Holy Spirit is saying. Humility before God will keep us in His grace and He will show us the truth. IMO
The Apostle John had much to say about when the resurrection would be as well. John 6:39-40,44,54, and Jh 11:24 state that it would be on the last day. Should be very plain from all this scripture that the resurrection and rapture are all the same event.
Thank you Joel!!!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for teaching the truth about the deception being perpetrated by the pre-tribulation rapture teachers. So many of our brothers and sisters will be open and susceptible to the miracles performed by the false prophet and the dynamic charisma of the anti-Christ because they have been taught that they will emphatically, without question, be taken from earth to heaven BEFORE the anti-Christ is revealed. The Dragon is well-pleased with the deception, since it will make it easier for Him to deceive even the elect. Matthew 24:24-27. Thank you, Joel, for standing firm for the truth of the Second Coming of our Lord and Savior.
I love that declaration from Job
Excellent job
Great job Joel
Omg this was good THANKYOU!!!
Apostle Paul was a man of God hearing from the Lord via the Holy Spirit of God's witness to his spirit. The equivalence of walking with God. This is the same Spirit who raised Jesus from staying dead/asleep! The only New Adam (hence He also calls Himself a Son of Man) for the redemption of humanity out of natural sin's destiny.. to an eternal life with Him back to God the Father.
Noone comes to the Father hearing from Him without going through the remission of our sin via the Lord Jesus's provision.. The imagery of the Lamb of God. HE is both the Lamb and the Lion of Judah, the branch of David from the root of Jesse.
I saw your channel a few years ago and stopped listening to you because I was pretrib and didn't like that idea so I kept these that tickled my ears. Praise God he led me back to your channel I see it now. We go up when Jesus appears Praise God. We should be ready for times of trouble if it's gonna happen while we are here still
GLORY TO GOD!!!
I am glad you taught on Daniel 12:1-2. To me it is the most clear description of the rapture of the church in all of Scripture, and very rarely do I hear anybody use it as evidence of a post tribulation rapture. The Lord has really put this issue of the timing of the rapture so heavy on my heart, as my prayer for 20+ years was for God to not let me die in the rapture by way of a car accident or being on a plane when the pilot disappeared. I promised Him when I saw the Christian's and children disappear, I would KNOW He is real and I would live for Him. After having an encounter with Jesus 5 years ago, I began to read my Bible. I didn't even know there was a debate over the timing of the rapture, but I asked a Christian friend of mine, "why don't I see any of the stuff from the Left Behind series in my Bible?" As I began to ask God why He didn't just answer my prayer the way I asked Him to, He made it clear through His Word that if He had answered my prayer the way I was asking Him to, I would have been eternally separated from Him forever. I think there are many people who believe how I used to, that one day God will rapture His church, and that will be the sign that He is real and their indicator to turn their lives toward Him. I also believe when things don't happen how pre trib teachers and believers said they will happen, many will curse God and call Him a liar. I believe many have made Heaven their idol and the rapture their savior. I hope and pray that the eyes of people get opened before it is too late. While I agree with many that belief in pre or post will not directly result in one's salvation or not, I believe that eventually, belief in a deceptive teaching can and will lead many away from Christ and into the kingdom of darkness. God Bless you Brother and your family. Thank you for all you do in humility and obedience for the Kingdom of God. ☝🏻🙏🏻❤️🙌🏻
I had a dream back when i dont know any thing about the rapture, Flying in the air at night and shouting whith Joy, and there was two angelic being's beside me. Then i saw bulldings getting destroyed by fire.
I am not sure how people can miss this, but Paul was very specific that the dead will be raised first before those that remain are "caught up" (raptured), and we have Yeshua Himself tell us FOUR times that it will happen on the LAST day and Martha quoting Him as well.
1 Th 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and *the dead in Christ shall rise first: THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,* to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Joh 6:39-40 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should *raise it up again at the last day.* And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and *I will raise him up at the last day.*
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and *I will raise him up at the last day.*
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and *I will raise him up at the last day.*
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in *the resurrection at the last day.*
Hey Joe! Looking forward to our upcoming radio interview on Open Up The Doors this Thursday, June 1 at 10 AM EST! All are invited to tune in! God bless!
What has 'blinded' our pre-trib bretheran? Perhaps:
1) They are ignorant (or ignore) the purpose of suffering.
2) They teach that you utter a 1 minute prayer, die and then "go to heaven." Jesus' own words focused upon repentance (turn around; change) AND The Kingdom!
3) They don't understand the verse where parusia is an image of meeting the returning King and turning around to accompany Him back to the earth.
4) The Kingdom will have a King, laws, penalties and consequences.
5) Rewards will vary from 100 fold to "barely making it.". PS LEAST in the Kingdom are those who break the (least of the) commandments AND teach others to do so.
6) "He who endures until the end shall be saved."
7) Finally, Zechariah 14: In the Kingdom millennium, the nations who do not appear in Jerusalem with gifts for the King shall not get rain. The Sabbaths shall be restored.
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Many people put more importance on what their “denomination” has been teaching for decades, which was often promulgated by one man, than seeking the truth of Gods word. It was the same with the Pharisee’s who cling to their “doctrines” above the possibility that they didn’t know or understand the truth of what God was actually saying and planning.
The people cling to their denomination and their pastors, the pastors cling to their positions and the doctrines of the main office.
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Very true..
Sad, but true... 😔
Do you believe the jews who believe at His coming will be turned immortals or go into the millennium as mortals and be in the land with the mortal gentile nations as well
Many will enter the millennium as mortals. The righteous will be resurrected at the end of the millennium.
Where does it say the righteous are resurrected at the end of the millennium? Believers before the rapture will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, correct? Believers after the rapture will enter as mortals, correct?
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"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years." Rev 20:4-6.
Mathew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
It’s hard for me to imagine eating and drinking, marrying, and giving into marriage while all those seal, Trumpet, and bowl judgements are happening.
Are they doing that after their hearts fail them in fear, or after they wish the mountain to fall on them?
It’s hard to imagine partying at a wedding towards the end of the tribulation .
I could see partying Pre-Trib or Pre-Wrath.
How does the Post-Trib argument interpret this?
First, there is only one "coming" never once does the Bible ever says "comings." It is always the "coming of the Lord." This is His glorious coming. So how can the various judgments be loosed while many humans go about their business? On the first several days that Baghdad was being most heavily bombed by American troops in Gulf War II, around 50% of the people still got up and drove to work each day. Humans have something called normalcy bias. No matter how bad things are, they stretch toward normalcy like a rubber band. Second, the judgments are all described in rather extreme and hyperbolic wats. One can only assume that some are rather regional and others more global. One may be concentrated in one part of the world etc. The point is simple. As the world is being judged by God, many will be pretending that life is still normal and trying to go about their business.
@@JoelRichardson Thanks for the reply Joel. You could be right and that it’s just regional. It’s just hard to wrap my head around the earth going to a fro like a drunkard and islands moving out of their place, and people partying at a wedding… but hey I went to Disneyland during the LA RIOTS in 1992… The place was empty. So I get what your saying.
Since I have you here. What’s your take on Psalms 90:10, and the claim that it describes a generation being between 70 -80 years, and applying that to May 1948 in the context of not a generation shall pass.
With the way the world is going, I wouldn’t be shocked if 2028 is the mid point of the Trib, and feast of Trumpets either 3 1/2 years before or after that is when the last Trump Sounds and the Dead in Christ Rise first.
Interesting side note: And I still have to verify this. That the Jews call the Feast of Trumpets, “The feast that no one knows the day nor the hour.”
If that was true during Jesus’s time, then it was a huge clue right?
Great Post Trib explanation. Any chance I could speak to you on the Bible version issue?
Even the Apostles Creed says, "I believe... in the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen". It doesn't say the rapture.
Matthew 13:20-21
As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.
Ephesians 6:13-14
“Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness…”
It is interesting that truth is worn like a belt. Belts were used to gird one’s loins to prepare oneself for work or battle. You can only stand on or for something if you know the truth about it. If you don’t know or believe that you must withstand in the evil day, you are less likely to take a stand.
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me SHALL NEVER DIE. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
This is where Paul got the idea that “We who are alive and remaining” shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and shall never die.
It is not that complicated. Jesus calls the death of believers "Sleep." When a lost person breathed his last he was considered dead.
@@stephenszucs8439 Yes the physical body is considered to be sleeping but not the real person that inhabited that physical body. They are "present with the Lord". And when Paul said the Lord would bring with Him those who died in Him, He was obviously referring to the spirits of those Saints who died in Him; not their sleeping bodies. He can't "bring" with Him from heaven dead bodies that have been buried in the earth.
@@TheRgordon16 Exactly true. Nor does he bring with him the changed bodies of the one who are alive and remain. Those changed, living people he meets in the (Gr) AER, or lower, visible sky and brings them with him to the earth to begin his triumphant march into Jerusalem to reenact the "Palm Sunday" parade.
@@stephenszucs8439 I agree with you up until you say the saints on earth who rise in the air to meet the Lord, is going to come right back down with Jesus. Isaiah 26:19-21 speaks about the dead rising and then they are told to HIDE in their chambers. Hide from what? The Wrath of God. I do not believe the church will be raptured and then immediately come right back down to escort the Lord to Jerusalem. The Rapture happens before God’s wrath is poured out. And His wrath is not poured out until the 6th Seal is opened (Revelation 6:12-17); not the 1st Seal.
In pre-wrath rapture all raptured will be like angels So in Jesus's millennium rule who are people living iand multiplied in earth.
Exactly what I'm thinking. Who are the ones that the Devil deceives after the 1000 years. Who is left on the Earth that can be deceived?
@@samuelflores1419
Hope he answer it.
All that's needed is for there to be a sufficient population of unbelievers who didn't receive the mark of the beast. Note that Revelation does not say these will _all_ have been killed. Their number could include so-called Christians who weren't true Christians (cf. Matthew 24:42-51) yet refused to take the mark, followers of other religions who refused to take the mark, and children too young to take the mark.
Satan has blinded the Minds of the unbelievers.
Many believers, as well!
Very good explained
Joel, where do you believe the Rapture happens in relation to the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, and 7 Bowls?
Brett - my two cents - The seven seals are seven judgments, and the seven bowls are wrath.
The first two seals have already been opened.
The first is a white horse whose rider has a bow in his hand. This is not a bow as in bow and arrow, it is a rainbow. It signifies a movement we are all familiar with that has a rainbow flag. This rider causes a significant increase in sexual immorality and sexual confusion, as in the days of Noah, and was released some time ago (think election 2008 and pretty colors flashed upon the capitol building).
The second rider which is on a red horse releases war across the globe. This rider has been released more recently. Countries that are not at war with neighboring countries will be at war within themselves (civil, race, religious, etc... wars). This will eventually lead to global nuclear war.
The book of Judges shows us the purpose of judgment is to cause people to repent of their wickedness and turn to the Lord. Unfortunately judgment usually affects the evil and the good as we see with Daniel and his friends being deported to Babylon.
I recently heard a prophetic word that Russia, China, and India would suffer very severe famine. This would be from the third seal/horse. I suspect that other areas will also be adversely affected.
The seven bowls are God's wrath, and we will be up in the atmosphere with Yeshua watching as they are poured out (Psa 91:7-8). When Apophis arrives on Friday the 13th, April 2029 this will begin. Revelation 8:6-12, 16:2-9 are caused by Apophis.
Keep in mind that Revelation gives us two parallel accounts, from two different perspectives, of the "end times". The first account ends with chapter 11, and the second account begins with chapter 12 which is why you see many things mentioned twice. When you read Revelation with this in mind it will make a lot more sense.
Listen to Joel and Daltons Revelation series.
Question: can y pls explain who is the guests, who is the bride and then at what stage is the bema seat and what about the christians that arr backslidden and cold? Where and when does everybody fit in? Sorry for the stupid questions but i want to learn
Joel who are the saints and holy ones that come with Jesus?
Joel, David is another OT saint you could include in your talks. Ps 17:15, 49:14&15, and 71:20.
Por favor en español ..... gracias 🙏
Thanks for this wonderful teaching Joel 😇😇😇
I have a question: how does the 144 000 get into heaven just after fighting the mark AND before the start of the wrath?
The 144 000 are winners against the mark, means they were on earth during the mark period, then after, the 144 000 are present in heaven at the ceremony of the commencement of the wrath.
Thank you
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43:28 You keep saying that the blessed hope IS the coming/appearing of the Lord in glory. But the verse you reference at 29:51 (Titus 2:13) clearly makes a distinction between the blessed hope AND the appearing. That verse, unless the AND is a typo, does not say the blessed hope IS the appearing, as you keep repeating. Due to the AND, there are clearly two things in the verse: the blessed hope, AND the appearing of the glory of our great God. We're looking for the blessed hope that is eternal life in Jesus, AND looking for the appearing of our great God and savior. My KJV has a comma after "hope." So the verse actually reads "looking for the blessed hope, and the appearing..." The first chapter defines the "blessed hope" of 2:13. 1:2 says "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;"
The Blessed Hope IS His glorious appearing. There are not two separate events. Most of the newer, more accurate translations get this correct. See for example, the ESV, the CSB, the NET, the NIV all convey this more accurately. If you say HIs glorious appearing is not our blessed hope, you must perfect nearly the entire biblical testimony.
@JoelRichardson
When does Jesus appear from heaven?
I think He appears in Revelation 6:16.
Psalm 7:7
He returns on high for the sake of the congregation.
They are hidden in the day of His fierce anger. Zephaniah 2:3, Job 14:15
Until the indignation is past
Isaiah 26:19-21
Psalm 68:8-9 & 24
Isaiah 52:10-12
Psalm 27:5
Psalm 31:20
"Who is able to stand?"
Revelation 6:17
Psalm 76:7-9
Malachi 3:2
The innumerable multitude in Revelation 7:9. Who are they?
1st Kings 3:7-8
Numbers 23:9-10
Genesis 13:16
Romans 9:6-8
Ezekiel 37:3, Revelation 7:13
"You know"
Who is able to stand in His presence?
Psalm 24:3-6
Hebrews 11:6
AMEN!
"How many comings are there? One." And every Jew everywhere nods his head.
5:42 LXX
Job 19:25 For I know that he is eternal who is about to deliver me,
Job 19:26 and to raise up upon the earth my skin that endures these sufferings: for these things have been accomplished to me of the Lord;
The original Greek in the Septuagint never says he's going to see. He just believes on faith and it is accounted to him by his faith.
Jesus said:
John 20:29
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: 👉blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.👈
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Yea there is only one coming.
What do you say to those who call the church isreal? Would you say being in the commonwealth of Isreal means we are Isreal and when we read about Isreal it's also the church?
I would simply tell them to read the Bible. The Church is never called Israel.
"Like Angels" not "Are Angels" - Angels are a seperate creation that cannot have offspring nor a redemption, if they sin against God.
@@JoelRichardson thank you. I agree. But they use the isreal of God and in the commonwealth with Isreal and grafted onto to olive tree and support to say the church is true isreal. I do apologetically work against this doctrine but it is mountain of a movement
Maybe you could compare it to the 🇬🇧 British commonwealth. A Canadian 🍁 /Aussie 🇦🇺 /kiwi 🥝 is(gentiles in this comparison) are not British but, have far more rights in the UK then none commonwealth citizens. The point is = you could never say peter is not Israel(🇬🇧 British in my comparison) you can only say that a gentile believer is not part of 'main' Israel. If Joel is right on the other hand that would mean Peter himself and the apostles and church of God are grafted in (unbelieving) Israel. That would seriously mean that the israel that is fallen and stoned Stephen to death is higher then believing Israel. I beg your pardon, but that's the world upside-down to me. I once believed strongly in the so called israel theory.
@@endtimesnowwithjohnnybargo3028 Like Joel said read your bible! Where does it say God has disowned His beloved people for the 'church'? Why was a remnant always saved, and will be again at the end?.
And Christ came to die for ALL, the Jew First and then the gentiles.
That teaching you are hanging onto is totally false. Replacement theology is A lie from the devil!
Look up,. Israel is in the land 75 years now. The King is coming.🥰
God Said it's Appointed Man 120 Year's
@@scott596 There are many uses of the word generation in the Bible. The time of the generation varies greatly from 70 years to as long as any of your heirs are alive. it can also mean all the people of a certain nation or belief system.
@@stephenszucs8439 in Genesis, God said it's Appointed Man a 120 Year's, he said this After the Son's of God the Watcher's came down unto the Daughter's of Man, and again to Abraham, God said it's Appointed Man a 120 Year's, so just because most people don't live that long doesn't mean a generation is less than 120. Year's ! There is supposed to be a small Remnant of people, as part of the generation that won't pass away until the Lord Jesus Christ Return's. So what generation will see the Lord Jesus Christ Return ? And how old will they be ? Perhaps over a 100 Year's Old, so not too many Left to see the Lord Jesus Christ Return ! Like the Old man in front of the Temple, when Joseph and Mary brought baby Jesus Christ to the Temple, the Old man said He knew he would get to see the Holy Messiah come before he died !
@@stephenszucs8439 My family lives to be over a 100 Year's Old, even to a 110-112 Year's Old, !
@@stephenszucs8439 the generation that See's the Fig Tree Olive Tree, shall not Pass Away, but will see the Lord Our God Jesus Christ Return ! How Old will the Remnant of those people be when the Lord Our God Jesus Christ Return's in the Cloud's of Heaven ?
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The arm of the Lord all points to a second exodus. This time, Jerusalem is the new Egypt, Rev. 11:8, and they will not go out in haste, Is 52:10-12, as they did in the first exodus, Deut 16:3. So Christ shows up to rapture his people, bares His arm for the whole world to see in vengeance, and then does an exodus with his raptured people serving as their guard. Then he will return, Jude 14, with myriads of his holy ones, his glorified saints who are now kings of the kingdom, to execute judgment on the ungodly, where all authority has been taken away from angels and given to the children of man during the opening of the seven seals and the announcement of the seven trumpets, for the Bible says, "he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate," Luke 1:52.
Joel you lose me with talk of the 'secret' rapture.
My understanding of my reading of Scripture is that we are not subject to God's wrath.
There is only one second coming I have no argument with that. He saved Lot before His wrath on S & G. Noah was also saved. How He will protect us, I don't know. It could be by having us meet Him in the air (not on earth).
I get a sense you equate the Church with Israel - I know many do but I don't get that either. I just know thst regardless, I am safe
The reason he refers to it as a “secret” rapture is because that is what the pretribulation rapture doctrine calls it.
Most people that are pretrib that I have encountered, including myself, have never actually studied the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture.
They only know verses here and there that they’ve been taught out of context.
Example: “we are not appointed unto wrath”
I wholeheartedly agree with that statement.
The question is, when is God’s wrath poured out?
The tribulation is not God’s wrath. That is what causes so much confusion for pretribbers. They conflate the two.
Read Revelation 16:1.
That specifically shows and says when God’s wrath is poured out.
The wrath of God is only poured out in the bowls of wrath. Nothing before that is the wrath of God. You will not be removed seven years before the wrath of God is poured out.
Galatians 3, By Faith We are the Seed of Abraham and the Promise of God and Jesus Christ.
Who is Israel ? Daniel 9 Say's, your People and your City, named after the Lord, Israel. So Jesus Christ is Israel, and the Tribe's of Israel are the Natural Branches and Christian's are the Wild Branches, both Grafted into Israel Jesus Christ. There is Neither Jew nor Gentile All One in Israel Jesus Christ. God Bless you Sister in Jesus Christ
We go through the Seals (Tribulation) then afterwards are raptured before the trumpets/vials (Wrath)
@@JoelRichardson i first would like to thank you for taking such a strong stand against Pre-tribulationalism.
I love your videos and materials.
I hold to the Pre-wrath rapture position and i find myself agreeing more and more with historic pre-millenialism.
With that being said, i just to give a friendly response to what you said about the bowl judgements ONLY being the Eschatological Day of the LORD's wrath.
The 6th seal being opened i believe is the "coming of our Lord and our being gathered together to him."
This also goes hand in hand with Matthew 24:29-31..
I'll just get straight to the point, i believe that the trumpet and bowl judgements are the day of the LORD'S wrath. I believe the rapture and resurrection of the dead happens at the 6th seal being opened. To my understanding, the Pre-wrath position has always held that the Eschatological Day of the LORD'S wrath consists of the trumpet and bowl judgements.
If the trumpet judgments are the wrath of God than that would be a Post-wrath Rapture which kind of defeats the purpose of the rapture.
Anyways, may God bless you brother joel. I am praying for you and your ministry.📖✝️🙏
No scholar of the whole bible.
It is a living book that speaks to us daily as/if we truly consume it with the Lord spiritually illuminating its meanings to us. Not a "preacher of pretrib" per se, but I do believe and so witness about Him as the apostles/disciples of old did.
Daniel 9 explains the purpose of the 70th week.. scholars work out to be the last 7 years primarily to end the rebellion of harlotry (taking other gods/denying Him) and restorative redemption of the remnant Israel of God.
So personally I think once Rev 6 begins, this 70th week begins.
A time of Jacob's trouble i.e. oppositions for the heart converted believers.. which is of course Not synonymous to God's wrath on ungodliness for these ones.
Being cautious about hyper dispensation divisions ought not divide on perceptions of the truth ("throwing the tub out with the bath water"). GOD will indeed settle the matter as time unfolds up ahead.
We come WITH Him at the second coming.
I cant see us going up and coming right back down?
For where He is we will be also, and then come with Him. This is where you lose me a little bit your explanation brother Joel.
A post great trib rapture at the second coming is hard to grasp, because we are already coming With Him.
Where does it say HE must come back onto earth for the rapture? I look at it like Stephen who saw Christ standing in Heaven.
He could just stand in heaven, in the clouds of glory, saying "come up here", at the last trumpet,
before the Bowls of HIS WRATH are poured out on the earth. I hope that doesnt sound Gnostic, just a thought.
So I believe that is when we , [jew and gentile believers still alive], are all gathered home to be with Him, along with the res.
of the true believers from the dead and the martyred saints coming out of the great trib. at that instant.
I think Dalton has a similar view on this? [as to the timing, which is probably very near the second coming, but just not at the same time.?]
Those Jews who fled Jerusalem and Israel/Judea to the wilderness at the mid trib abomination are protected where they are
and they will believe when They SEE Him and us all Coming at the second coming. They will go into the millennium as humans to re-populate the world then. We will be with Christ, like Him, in our glorified [angelic like] bodies,
during the millennium and beyond forever.
We meet him in the air. Then, we come with him to battle, to defeat the Antichrist. Onward, Christian soldiers!
Mike - Yeshua will return and appear in the atmosphere. We will be taken up to be with Him in the atmosphere and watch as the wrath of God is poured out (Psa 91:7-8). THEN we return with Him to rule and reign on the Earth for a thousand years. There is no vacation in heaven while all the bad stuff is happening. In other words, if at some time in the future you find yourself in heaven you were not "raptured", you died.
It makes less sense that Jesus comes half way back then turns around and then goes back. the Bible has the people leaving Jerusalem to meet Him and then going back with Him into the city. That is the pattern. We go out to meet Him and all return together.
@@Tsedek_ben_Shimon ha ya, but I will be resurrected before you are raptured. 😇
Mike - I will continue to earn treasures in the kingdom, you will be watching.
All these pre-tribulation, post-tribulation, this and that, yet Jesus' words get selective mention (speaking in general, not necessarily Joel). For example, do Protestant christians avoid Jesus's own words that on that day, all who are in the graves will hear his voice and rise up: Those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. Jesus himself said it!
Even Joel skips this verse, I guess, when he says that the resurrection of the dead is the resurrection of righteous dead (implied that the evildoers don't get to be resurrected at that time).
Theologians/preachers selectively skip Jesus's own ideas and statements ha ha.
Jesus is the first fruits of the resurrection. But He was not the only one who rose from the dead. The scriptures clearly teach that the graves were opened after Jesus rose from the dead. Old Testament saints appeared to many. I believe they also ascended to heaven with Jesus. And they probably represent the 24 Elders John saw in heaven. Also the two prophets will raise from the dead and shall be caught up to heaven in the presence of their enemies. Joel assumes the First Resurrection means the ONLY Resurrection of the righteous saints at the end of Daniel’s 70th Week, but I believe he is mistaken. The First Resurrection Began with Jesus as the first fruits, then the Old Testament saints in Matthew 27:52-53, The Two Witnesses, then the Rapture of the Church. The FIRST RESURRECTION encompasses all of these resurrections. Paul said the dead IN CHRIST shall rise first before the living is transformed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. That means every person that has died IN CHRIST from the first recorded martyred Christian Stephen to the last martyred Christians during the tribulation period.
The Bible does not teach that any of those who rose from the dead went to heaven with Jesus.
He presented Himself to the Father as the first fruits offering.
This He told Mary.
Lazarus was raised from the dead but wasn't recorded as going to heaven.
We don't know who the 2 witnesses are. You make too many assumptions.
Stick to the scriptures and it's ok to say, "we don't know."
Blessings, 🙏
@@eswn1816 Please study the scriptures carefully FIRST before assuming the scriptures doesn’t speak about this topic.
“Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: Thou hast received gifts for men; Yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord GOD might dwell among them.”
Psalm 68:18 KJV
“Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, And gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”
Ephesians 4:8-10 KJV
So it would appear as though, those who Jesus appeared to in the lowest parts of the Earth, are the ones who rose from the dead after His resurrection and eventually He lead them into heaven when He ascended. Using Lazarus as an example doesn’t work because Lazarus was raised BEFORE Jesus completed His redemptive work by dying on the cross and raising from the dead. Those who’s graves were opened in Matthew 27:52-53 were resurrected AFTER Jesus rose from the dead. You ASSUME they simply died again but you have no scripture saying they died again. And it makes no sense for them to die again after being raised when Jesus rose from the dead. Those Old Testament saints were dead for some hundreds and others thousands of years. They were now able to enter into heaven because of Jesus’ completed work. So the idea that they would raise from the dead only to die again, after waiting for so long, makes absolutely no sense.
@@eswn1816 oh and by the way. Knowing who the two witnesses are is absolutely irrelevant. The fact remains, two witnesses will be killed and raised from the dead and then raptured to heaven ALONE. They will not be apart of the main rapture described in 1 Thessalonians 4:16. This again proves the FIRST resurrection does not imply the rapture is the ONLY resurrection
Romans 8:19 speaks of the Manifestation of the Sons of God, the Overcomers, the Clouds who are used to reveal the Power and Glory of God. Those who SEE and believe in Christ will be healed and saved, those who reject Christ will Flee and be removed.
When Christ Ascended into the CLOUDS, 2 Angels SUDDENLY APPEARED. They told the Disciples this Christ will Return the same way He Left. How will Christ return?
In the form of 2 Angels, the Clouds!
Is gonna be interesting watching body parts from donors to recipients return to their original person at the rapture 😂
You will get a new body
@@karw9ng your old body gets raptured
@stuntdouble777 no, you get a new body.
Joel, I'm a little confused. It sounds like those who were beheaded in the tribulation get the honor of ruling with Jesus for a thousand years. Is this thousand years talking about the millennial reign? Then is the first ressurection after that? Who is the rest of the dead referring to? Is this the wicked? It sounds like the comment of the first ressurection is referring to those who came to life after the thousand years. It's confusing to me. Sorry if I didn't word this correctly. I'm old, lol
Hi Lori, I believe that those sleeping believers who are revived in the first resurrection and those who are living believers and are raptured will rule with Jesus on earth for one thousand years. After that millennium, those who died without Jesus and those who died before Jesus (ie. Old Testament believers and unbelievers) will be revived at the great white throne judgement.
Sounds odd to say that OT believers are not included in the 1st resurrection but I believe that because Jesus said that “the least in the kingdom is greater than John the Baptist” and I interpret that to mean that John the Baptist is not in the kingdom, because he died before the kingdom came.
@@JulieKnegt ... Hi Julie.
The OT believers, died believing Christ would come. Even as The woman at the well said to Jesus, John 4:25...
Paul also tells us, in 1Cor.10:1-12...that when the children of Israel were in the desert, they ate the manna, and drank of the Rock, which is Christ; thus they were also members of the body of Christ : one bread one body.
Abraham saw Christ, and rejoiced (John 8:56).
David also saw Jesus (Psalm 110:1-7).
You see, OT believers, believed that He would come, and NT believers, believe He has already come, and will come again.
So, the OT believers are members of the body of Christ, and will rise at the first resurrection, with all those that believe in Christ.
We will be together with the "cloud of witnesses "... the cloud of witnesses are those mentioned in Hebrews chapter 11, and chapter 12, verse 1.
Hi Lori. According to John 5:28-29, it appears there are 2 resurrections. The 1st of the good, unto the resurrection of life, and then the evil unto the resurrection of damnation.
The 1st resurrection occurs at Christ's return, immediately after the tribulation.
The 2nd resurrection appears to occur after the millennial reign, at The Great White Throne judgement, when the prison of hell, gives up those that were held in reserve for this judgement; where they are judged according to their works. They will be cast into the fire, body and soul. (Mat.10:28, Rev.20:11-15).
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Dude! His arm ruling for Him: that's the glorified saints! His might that comes with Him, His reward that is with him, His ruling that is with Him, these are all describing the already glorified saints coming with Him in Is 40:10! Sorry, I'm just excited by these verses.
Anyone who has read the Bible can tell you what it says but no one can tell you, for sure, what it means. If they could, everyone would be in agreement. There would be no pre this or post that. The Bible is a puzzle that no one can solve. That's God's plan. He has told us what we need to know for now. Put your faith and trust in Yeshua and you will be saved.
Seems really simple to me that the rapture of the church will take place at the Day of the Lord (2nd coming).
I don’t agree!
You obviously don’t understand the Tribulation and what it’s all about! The Jewish people!
Pre tribulation rapture 😂❤... any moment 😅